Re: Please pray for Lucy
Yes, that's right. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 10:13:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They did aspirate fluid, though, right? And it was definitely in the abdomen and NOT in the chest cavity, right? Didn't you say it was clear, and not straw colored like FIP usually is, or was that someone else's cat?
RE: Please pray for Lucy
It can -- as anything is possible with FIP -- but it can be suggestive if all of other signs are present, and usually the corona virus titer is greater than 1600 -- again,, my naomi's titer was only 1:400 and she had FIP -- but if Lucy's titer is very small or none - the possibility of her having FIP will go down siginicantly.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy my understanding is that a cat with FIP can show a low or even no corona virus titre, as the titre shows recent exposure to an active corona virus itself, not to the mutated form. On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that should be the first step in any FIP diagnosis. I really find it completely unfathomable that they didn't do a Corona titer when they suspected FIP. True, if it's positive, it could still be anything, but if it's negative, that completely eliminates the possibility of FIP, and allows you to move in another direction towards the true cause of the illness. They did aspirate fluid, though, right? And it was definitely in the abdomen and NOT in the chest cavity, right? Didn't you say it was clear, and not straw colored like FIP usually is, or was that someone else's cat? I'm sorry I was gone for 2 days.. I had family things I had to do. I'm glad Lucy is hanging in there! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Please pray for Lucy
Since it would not be conclusive, and since I am sure she has been exposed to corona virus since I adopted her from a shelter, I don't want to remove the amount of blood necessary to test her, since she is so anemic. In a message dated 1/30/2007 3:49:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It can -- as anything is possible with FIP -- but it can be suggestive if all of other signs are present, and usually the corona virus titer is greater than 1600 -- again,, my naomi's titer was only 1:400 and she had FIP -- but if Lucy's titer is very small or none - the possibility of her having FIP will go down siginicantly..
RE: Please pray for Lucy
Oh no.. I understand - -I wouldn't do it either if I were you.. I just was making comments from diagnostic stand point -How is Lucy tonight? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy Since it would not be conclusive, and since I am sure she has been exposed to corona virus since I adopted her from a shelter, I don't want to remove the amount of blood necessary to test her, since she is so anemic. In a message dated 1/30/2007 3:49:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It can -- as anything is possible with FIP -- but it can be suggestive if all of other signs are present, and usually the corona virus titer is greater than 1600 -- again,, my naomi's titer was only 1:400 and she had FIP -- but if Lucy's titer is very small or none - the possibility of her having FIP will go down siginicantly..
Re: Please pray for Lucy
She just laid around all day, very lethargic. When I woke up at 2:30 she was walking around the room looking at food bowls, so I fed her baby food and she ate almost a jar. She then purred a lot when I pet and kissed her for a while, and after I pilled her she washed herself. I just upped her pred again. Her belly is super big. Gray thinks we shouldn't give her fluids anymore because he thinks they go to her belly, but the vet had said that would only be possible if she had low proteins in her blood, which she doesn't. I am going to ask my vet tomorrow about draining. She is laying on her heating pad right now. Her belly is so big that she often has to lay in strange positions to accommodate it. It is very frightening. In a message dated 1/30/2007 3:57:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh no.. I understand - -I wouldn’t do it either if I were you.. I just was making comments from diagnostic stand point –How is Lucy tonight?
RE: Please pray for Lucy
I know it's scary to see it - but she must not be in pain, just uncomfortable - My first FIP boy, which was about 4 years ago, he actually developed FIP right after I gave him baytrill for some reason.. he stopped eating right after he got pills, and he accumulated fluid in his tummy, he passed away within 72 hours - Michelle - do you want to read an article of the study that Mr. Ishida did.. if so, I can forward you a copy.. I think a draining will make her feel more comfortable for sure ..and they can send it to a lab to find out more about it --- _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy She just laid around all day, very lethargic. When I woke up at 2:30 she was walking around the room looking at food bowls, so I fed her baby food and she ate almost a jar. She then purred a lot when I pet and kissed her for a while, and after I pilled her she washed herself. I just upped her pred again. Her belly is super big. Gray thinks we shouldn't give her fluids anymore because he thinks they go to her belly, but the vet had said that would only be possible if she had low proteins in her blood, which she doesn't. I am going to ask my vet tomorrow about draining. She is laying on her heating pad right now. Her belly is so big that she often has to lay in strange positions to accommodate it. It is very frightening. In a message dated 1/30/2007 3:57:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh no.. I understand - -I wouldn't do it either if I were you.. I just was making comments from diagnostic stand point -How is Lucy tonight?
Re: Chris and Mylo
You and Mylo know when the time is right. My thoughts are with you. It is a decsion I never want to make but I am glad that I can make it when the time is right. Hugs, Sally Junior Daisy Spike Speedy Ittle Bitty Silver Grey and white Little Black Lily On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes the doctor talked about hydrating Mylo but would not help all the other ailments. Sadly, Mylo is too far gone at this point. I've gone over every angle on how I can help Mylo become healthy. Looking at him is difficult as I keep thinking that tomorrow at this time he will not be beside me. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:02:43 -0600 I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Don't waste time standing in line-try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or
Re: Please pray for Lucy
I read a summary of the article, but if you have the article in full I would love to read it. Thanks, In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:12:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know it’s scary to see it – but she must not be in pain, just uncomfortable – My first FIP boy, which was about 4 years ago, he actually developed FIP right after I gave him baytrill for some reason.. he stopped eating right after he got pills, and he accumulated fluid in his tummy, he passed away within 72 hours – Michelle – do you want to read an article of the study that Mr. Ishida did.. if so, I can forward you a copy.. I think a draining will make her feel more comfortable for sure ..and they can send it to a lab to find out more about it ---
Re: Chris and Mylo
Being dehydrated is like having a horrible hangover, of course your going to look and feel crappy, not hydrating is only adding to his discomfort. I can't believe the dr didn't insist on it. This little inexpensive thing could really help him be more comfortable. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Chris and Mylo
Hi Chris, Last year I learned to do subQ fluids after my kitty Julie was diagnosed hyperT, and I've done it on two other of my kitties who got sick since then. It's pretty easy, although I was scared at first to learn, because I didn't want to hurt my furbaby. Julie gets 200cc a week because of her health, and it makes so much of a difference for her. If you want the company's info. that I order from, I will get it to you. They are good and fairly inexpensive. But if you don't feel there's much time left, at the very least, I agree with Belinda, that getting your vet to give Mylo fluids would be very compassionate of you. Dehydration makes kitty feel horrible. :) Wendy --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being dehydrated is like having a horrible hangover, of course your going to look and feel crappy, not hydrating is only adding to his discomfort. I can't believe the dr didn't insist on it. This little inexpensive thing could really help him be more comfortable. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
Michelle
Hi Michelle, Just wanted to let you know I'm thinking of you and Lucy right now. Praying for her improved health, and for your strength. :) Wendy Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: Chris and Mylo
Good morning, how's is everything going for you and Mylo today. They put Toby in the hospital yesterday for blood work,iv fluids and pain meds. Blood work came out fine. They are going to an ultra sound today. Toby was originally being treated for a bladder infection and then he got blocked up in his ingestions and had to have surgery back on the 16th of Jan. He does real good, comes home and it seems like every Sunday he starts going down hill. Quits eating and drinking and not using his litter box. We don't know if he is still healing from the surgery or what is going on. This is the third time in the hospital for him. And today they will take his staples out I will know more later today after I get off work - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Hi Anna, I'm so sorry to hear about Toby. I just keep saying to myself that I don't want Mylo to suffer and to live the way he has been living in the past month or so. Every time I look at him my heart sinks. He rests his little head on his paws and he looks up at me and tries not to move any other part of his body. What happened at the vet today? From: Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:31:57 -0700 I feel your pain..We have an appointment this afternoon for Toby. I do not think he will be coming home. He hasn't taken food since Saturday..Has not pottied in the litter box. This is the 3rd crash he has had in a month. Very lethargic and his tummy is having spasms. At least they will be out of misery.. - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and
Re: Chris and Mylo
GLOW for you and mylo. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, i have to respect that, because as much as i don't want them to be gone, i do not want to force them to stay beyond their time to meet my needs. they have a much keener sense of the cycles of life than we do, and i have learned so much from sharing their journeys. MC On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I've heard of assisted feeding and injections etc. Mylo needs so much more than that...chemo, blood transfusion, meds, ultrasounds, etc. Yet, he will probably only live 4 more months if successful. I feel that would be putting him through more stress. He hangs on to me whenever we go to the vet. To hospitalize him again and put him back on meds (he hated that), would break my heart. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:54 -0500 Peace to both Mylo and you Chris, I will be sending peaceful thoughts of passage and happiness to Mylo! Phaewryn You are aware that you can assist/force feed, right, or even have a feeding tube inserted? And that a combination Dex/Depo injection has given cats JUST as sick as Milo is now several happy and comfortable week to months more time, right? http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://ucat.us/DDlymphomacocktail.html _ Don't waste time standing in line—try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: To Jennifer re new kitty with FeLV
8 mo's is probably too young to have hyperT; possible but highly improbable. When mine started peeing on things, when I brought a new kitty home, I had to retrain them to use the box. I put them in the bathroom, and that's where they stayed for two weeks with their litter box and food. It worked. Also, make sure Midnight does not have a UTI (urinary tract infection). A symptom is peeing outside of the litter box. :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Midnight is about 8 mo. He was a stray so I am unsure of his exact age. He peed on my kids in bed last night. I am going to take him to the vet Monday. I have got to get him to stop doing this. wendy wrote: Hi Jennifer, I have been reading about your new Kitty, and a few of the symptoms you wrote about sound like hyperthyroidism. Drinking water all the time and going around the house meowing, especially at night, are both symptoms. We have a cat with hyper T. To check for it, you have to get a T4 test at the vets. If it's expensive, you might as well get a whole blood panel done. HyperT is more common in older cats. How old is your new kitty? :) Wendy 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.
To Kelley Re: Getting cat prescriptions filled on line
Hi Kelley, I use Pet Health Pharmacy in Arizona. https://www.pethealthpharmacy.com/index.html They are great. And it's VERY easy to do refills with them. I order a month's worth of transdermal methimazole for my hyperT kitty, and it's 12.90, plus a flat $4.50 sh. So $17.40 for the month. That used to be the cost for two months until we had to double her dose. They have very reasonable pricing and are very personable/helpful when I call. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Susan, that would be my preference. It stresses him out to pill him, and that's not the effect I want to get. I haven't been quoted a price yet. I don't even know which sites to go to to get a price quoted:). I am in Texas. Thanks, Kelley On 1/27/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compounded into a salve to rub inside the ear? What sort of price have you been quoted? I know people in California, Florida and North Carolina who have used Elavil compounded as a salve, with great results. Where are you located? *Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: At 07:54 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: I do as much on line as possible,, Kelly Is it possible to do this? Does anyone have any urls, or experience with it? Is it significantly cheaper? I have a kitty who is going on Elavil and I think it would be easier on both of us if it was compoiunded. Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 1/26/2007 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail
Re: Rompi
Paolo, How is Rompi doing today? Have you found any further info. on how you will be treating Rompi? :) Wendy Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.
Re: Please pray for Lucy
that's kind of what i meant--yes, FIP means there's been a corona virus exposure/infection, but it is still possible for an FIP-positive cat to not show a high titre. might not be COMMON, but just as a high titre doesn't prove FIP, a low one doesn't exclude it either. kind of like a negative FeLV test doesn't mean a cat is negative.. or that a positive one doesn't mean the cat is positive, either On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't have FIP without Corona, the Corona mutates into FIP, but it doesn't make it so that it's not Corona, it just creates the condition known as FIP (it's not the virus that mutates, it's the condition that mutates, if that makes sense). At least that's how I read it from Dr. Addie's site. It is very rare for a cat with FIP to not show a Corona titer, and I included that explanation below... FIP occurs when the cat reacts inappropriately to feline coronavirus (FCoV) infection. Most cats simply become infected, shed FCoV for a month or two, mount an immune response, eliminate the virus and live happily ever after. However, for reasons that we don't yet fully understand, instead of clearing FCoV infection, an unfortunate few cats develop FIP. The presence of antibodies indicates that the cat has been infected with FCoV, the cause of FIP. Any FCoV antibody titre can occur in cases of wet or effusive FIP, but most cats with FIP have extremely high antibody titres (1280 or greater). Antibody titres of 0 are unusual in FIP cases and are usually considered as indicating that the cat does not have FIP. (However, if other parameters suggest a diagnosis of FIP, despite having an antibody titre of 0, then this is the one situation where FCoV RNA detection (RT-PCR), performed on a sample of the effusion, is diagnostic of FIP. In these cats there is so much virus in the effusion that all the antibody is bound to it, and none is available to bind to virus in the test.) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Please pray for Lucy
I will email it to you.. as it's interesting to read the whole thing.. I am going to receive acemmanan tomorrow - my back orders is coming in - you might want to order for Lucy ... _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy I read a summary of the article, but if you have the article in full I would love to read it. Thanks, In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:12:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know it's scary to see it - but she must not be in pain, just uncomfortable - My first FIP boy, which was about 4 years ago, he actually developed FIP right after I gave him baytrill for some reason.. he stopped eating right after he got pills, and he accumulated fluid in his tummy, he passed away within 72 hours - Michelle - do you want to read an article of the study that Mr. Ishida did.. if so, I can forward you a copy.. I think a draining will make her feel more comfortable for sure ..and they can send it to a lab to find out more about it ---
Re: Chris and Mylo
I agree sometimes you come to a point where you have to consider letting them go but in my opinion and *my opinion only* assist feeding and fluids are in NO way going too far. ANY cat that doesn't feel well for whatever reason can and most likely will stop eating, and dehydration makes a cat feel like sh*t, so they will not eat. Same as anyone or anything that doesn't feel good not eating is the first thing that happens. I don't eat when I feel like crap, don't know many people that do. To not try and assist feed or give fluids when dehydrated to me is not trying the simplest things to turn a cat around. Many, many times a cat that looks like crap and isn't eating because of dehydration will go right to the food bowl once they are hydrated again, I've seen it and heard of it over and over again. I also don't know of many cats that love or even like assist feeding but most will adapt to it eventually. And for me if they don't and it is too stressful I will ALWAYS try a feeding tube because I know personally how great they can be and indirectly know many, many cats that have been saved and are alive and well 5, 6 and more years later with NO hint of the problem that caused the inappetence. Sometimes cat develop anorexia for unknown reasons, they aren't even sick but obviously if they aren't eating and nothing is done to intervene they will get sick and die. Just wanted to make an argument for the other side which I have personal experience with. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Chris and Mylo
i will do fluids in a heartbeat for a cat--until they make it clear that they no longer want it. i remember being really upset with a kitty who just would not let me administer fluids, because i KNEW it would make her feel better--she was clearly terminal (at 22!), and it was the holistic vet who came over later that day to send her home who pointed out to me that it was a clear message from the cat that she was ready to go, and did not want any more intervention. so when they fight really hard, and use up enormous amounts of energy they don't have to spare, against my help, i honor that. i guess it really depends on what the condition is, and whether or not there is a real possibility of turning the situation around. even tho we never really can know for sure i have come to believe, tho, and this is MY opinion, that it is better to send them on one day too soon, than ten minutes too late, if that ten minutes mean they are suffering. i don't for a minute mean to imply that it's EVER an easy decision to make. On 1/30/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree sometimes you come to a point where you have to consider letting them go but in my opinion and my opinion only assist feeding and fluids are in NO way going too far. ANY cat that doesn't feel well for whatever reason can and most likely will stop eating, and dehydration makes a cat feel like sh*t, so they will not eat. Same as anyone or anything that doesn't feel good not eating is the first thing that happens. I don't eat when I feel like crap, don't know many people that do. To not try and assist feed or give fluids when dehydrated to me is not trying the simplest things to turn a cat around. Many, many times a cat that looks like crap and isn't eating because of dehydration will go right to the food bowl once they are hydrated again, I've seen it and heard of it over and over again. I also don't know of many cats that love or even like assist feeding but most will adapt to it eventually. And for me if they don't and it is too stressful I will ALWAYS try a feeding tube because I know personally how great they can be and indirectly know many, many cats that have been saved and are alive and well 5, 6 and more years later with NO hint of the problem that caused the inappetence. Sometimes cat develop anorexia for unknown reasons, they aren't even sick but obviously if they aren't eating and nothing is done to intervene they will get sick and die. Just wanted to make an argument for the other side which I have personal experience with. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: midnight
I just called to check on Midnight and they said he is waking up right now from the neuter. He did great. They checked his urine and the receptionist said she thought there were white blood cells in the urine. I gave the vet permission to do a blood test to check is liver. Any thoughts on this? Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Chris and Mylo
PS. Fred told an AC he wasn't thrilled with the fluids, he didn't understand the reason for it. He said he'd rather not get them but I asked her to explain to him that they would help his kidney's function better and keep him feeling good for some time. His values have improved quite a bit and he still doesn't love it but he does sit still for it and the 3 minutes it takes to do it to me is worth the 8 good months he's had *and* he has gotten more grouchily affectionate in the last few months. I was very stressed out when we first started fluids, he fought me tooth and nail, he tried biting me every time but once I explained why it was being done and the fact that it was going to be done he got used to it. His overall health is good his kidney's are just wearing out but he has some good years left and he has realized he does feel better with all I'm doing so like it or not the ten minutes total a day it takes to give him his fluids and meds is a small price to pay for his continued good health. To me it's the same as if I had a human child, they hate taking medicine too but we make them for their own good. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Chris and Mylo
I used to think this too but since I've heard from many AC's that animals don't fear the pain sometimes associated with dying in some instances and many actually prefer to go through the whole cycle I am really more of the thinking of letting them complete the cycle without my intervention. Now if I clearly get the idea that an animal would rather not go naturally I will help them and having done it both ways there to me is no harder thing than helping an animal go, although the other is pretty tough also. i have come to believe, tho, and this is MY opinion, that it is better to send them on one day too soon, than ten minutes too late, if that ten minutes mean they are suffering. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Chris and Mylo
i think, too, that i'm talking more about cats who accept treatment quite well for a long time, and then suddenly say, enough. i am a huge believer in giving fluids, and will do so often at the first sign of punkiness in a cat, and have seen them work wonders--often one application of subq fluids will stop a developing problem in its tracks, so to speak. and my cats just seem to take it as a matter of course that if they aren't feeling well, mommy will probably start out with fluids (and, often, a shot of dex.) i've always explained to them why the fluids are good for them, and they've always seemed to understand, because it DOES make them feel so much better, so quickly. it's only been the last two years that i haven't had a bag of fluids and a set of lines hanging in my living room--since jess, my FIV coonie discovered how much fun it is to shred the lines and hydrate common household objects. digital cameras do NOT respond well to fluids, believe me now, the bags are kept less accessible. On 1/30/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. Fred told an AC he wasn't thrilled with the fluids, he didn't understand the reason for it. He said he'd rather not get them but I asked her to explain to him that they would help his kidney's function better and keep him feeling good for some time. His values have improved quite a bit and he still doesn't love it but he does sit still for it and the 3 minutes it takes to do it to me is worth the 8 good months he's had and he has gotten more grouchily affectionate in the last few months. I was very stressed out when we first started fluids, he fought me tooth and nail, he tried biting me every time but once I explained why it was being done and the fact that it was going to be done he got used to it. His overall health is good his kidney's are just wearing out but he has some good years left and he has realized he does feel better with all I'm doing so like it or not the ten minutes total a day it takes to give him his fluids and meds is a small price to pay for his continued good health. To me it's the same as if I had a human child, they hate taking medicine too but we make them for their own good. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Chris and Mylo
this is a hard one, because actually, i haven't used veterinary intervention with any of my kids in many years. i HAVE with sanctuary animals who were seizing, or clearly in great pain, and i wouldn't hesitate to do so if one of mine were in that situation. but i agree that letting them go through the complete cycle is the best. (for the other animals in the house, as well, who get to say their goodbyes.) as long as they let me know they want to continue on i will do anything i can; but i try very hard to separate my needs from theirs. i always give them permission to leave if that is where their path leaves, while letting them know that i will do whatever is necessary to help them stay if that is what they want to do. at some point, tho, it seems that their spirits go on, and i see the final physical manifestations as the last remnants of their spirits leaving behind a body they're outgrown On 1/30/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to think this too but since I've heard from many AC's that animals don't fear the pain sometimes associated with dying in some instances and many actually prefer to go through the whole cycle I am really more of the thinking of letting them complete the cycle without my intervention. Now if I clearly get the idea that an animal would rather not go naturally I will help them and having done it both ways there to me is no harder thing than helping an animal go, although the other is pretty tough also. i have come to believe, tho, and this is MY opinion, that it is better to send them on one day too soon, than ten minutes too late, if that ten minutes mean they are suffering. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: ot: transdermal benedryl gel for allergies
: looking at the persians and thinking, yeah, no hair, right On 1/29/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes...like Michelle said - it is compounded to be absorbed through the skin...the ear is rich in blood vessels and doesn't have the hair so it's the perfect place to administer it to get it into the blood stream. My compounding pharmacist gave me little finger cots (they look like something planned parenthood would distribute LOL) for the transdermal application. That is so that the medication is absorbed by the cat but not by your finger. On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, totally different, though I can't tell you how. the stuff in the store is topical and meant to treat the skin, I think, while this is meant to affect the cat internally and is just applied to the ears where the blood vessels absorb it. It is a much thinner cream, and the pharmacy compounds it into little syringes. It works amazingly for Patches-- she literally had a bald belly and legs and they were bright pink, and since I have been assiduously giving her this twice a day she has a full thick coat of fur there. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 10:15:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm interested in this - would like to know if it's different from the Benadryl cream that you can buy at pharmacies? I assume so, but just wondering... Thanks, Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: ot: transdermal benedryl gel for allergies
now that would be a problem! On 1/30/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : looking at the persians and thinking, yeah, no hair, right On 1/29/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes...like Michelle said - it is compounded to be absorbed through the skin...the ear is rich in blood vessels and doesn't have the hair so it's the perfect place to administer it to get it into the blood stream. My compounding pharmacist gave me little finger cots (they look like something planned parenthood would distribute LOL) for the transdermal application. That is so that the medication is absorbed by the cat but not by your finger. On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, totally different, though I can't tell you how. the stuff in the store is topical and meant to treat the skin, I think, while this is meant to affect the cat internally and is just applied to the ears where the blood vessels absorb it. It is a much thinner cream, and the pharmacy compounds it into little syringes. It works amazingly for Patches-- she literally had a bald belly and legs and they were bright pink, and since I have been assiduously giving her this twice a day she has a full thick coat of fur there. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 10:15:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm interested in this - would like to know if it's different from the Benadryl cream that you can buy at pharmacies? I assume so, but just wondering... Thanks, Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Chris and Mylo
Agree with this, I talked with Buddie the day before her surgery and told her if she was ready to go I would be OK, I would miss her physical self but if shwas ready to go home then she should. She survived the surgery but went into cardiac arrest after in recovery. It was her choice ad she made it. The cancer had spread and there was no recovery ahead so she choose to leave. anything i can; but i try very hard to separate my needs from theirs. i always give them permission to leave if that is where their path leaves, -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: midnight
White blood cells in the urine usually indicate bacteria is present, thus a UTI. Curing this will most likely help with the peeing everywhere. Make sure they give you antibiotics to cure the UTI if the vet says that's what it is. :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just called to check on Midnight and they said he is waking up right now from the neuter. He did great. They checked his urine and the receptionist said she thought there were white blood cells in the urine. I gave the vet permission to do a blood test to check is liver. Any thoughts on this? Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
taking Lucy to get fluid drained
I am taking her in half an hour. I am really nervous about it. The vet agreed to do the shot of 1/2 cc dexamethasone into the abdominal cavity after draining, which apparently sometimes helps slow the refill time. I think she is even more anemic than on sat when her pcv was 15-- the parts of her gums that were a little pink then are now completely white. She got her fourth dose of Epogen yesterday, but it clearly is not working yet if it is going to work at all. She gets up to use the litterbox, and looks alert if she hears a mouse in the wall, and purrs to be pet sometimes, but other than that just sleeps. I am going to ask the vet to try leukeran, just in case this is from her ibd or she has developed intestinal small cell lymphoma, since the abx are clearly not helping her so I doubt she has toxo (unless the steroids have been keeping the abx from working or something). I fear that she does not have long left. I am not getting any work done or going anywhere; I have pretty much been researching possibilities of what is happening to her and caring for her/staring at her full-time since the weekend. She is my baby, and I think I am losing her, and I was not ready for this. I really thought she just had a URI when she spiked a fever two weeks ago today. I think it is probably FIP (I just realized that they never actually tested her albumin level, so perhaps it is low after all), but even if it is something else I am losing hope that she will get any better. I want to see if the leukeran will do something. If not, I will try to do the dex/depo shots for comfort. Please keep Lucy in your prayers. I know that this should not be a shock to me at this point, having lost 4 FeLV+ cats and knowing that her age, at least 5.5 years old, is not young for a positive cat. But I love her so much, and can not stand to see her going through this. I also can not imagine this house without her in it. She just started dreaming-- her ear is twitching. I really love this cat. Michelle
Re: midnight
WOO HOO because he peed on my husband in bed this morning. I thought he was going to kick me and Midnight out of the house! Instead he said, take your cat and get out of bed! He is a grump in the middle of the night. Then again, cat pee isn't pleasant to wake up to! wendy wrote: White blood cells in the urine usually indicate bacteria is present, thus a UTI. Curing this will most likely help with the peeing everywhere. Make sure they give you antibiotics to cure the UTI if the vet says that's what it is. :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just called to check on Midnight and they said he is waking up right now from the neuter. He did great. They checked his urine and the receptionist said she thought there were white blood cells in the urine. I gave the vet permission to do a blood test to check is liver. Any thoughts on this? Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
RE: midnight
LOL!! Oh honey, GANDHI would have tossed the two of you out of bed under the same circumstances...not that Gandhi would have found himself in the same circumstances... Here's hoping that the UTI clears up before your domestic bliss is totally shattered! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Madon Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: midnight WOO HOO because he peed on my husband in bed this morning. I thought he was going to kick me and Midnight out of the house! Instead he said, take your cat and get out of bed! He is a grump in the middle of the night. Then again, cat pee isn't pleasant to wake up to! wendy wrote: White blood cells in the urine usually indicate bacteria is present, thus a UTI. Curing this will most likely help with the peeing everywhere. Make sure they give you antibiotics to cure the UTI if the vet says that's what it is. :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just called to check on Midnight and they said he is waking up right now from the neuter. He did great. They checked his urine and the receptionist said she thought there were white blood cells in the urine. I gave the vet permission to do a blood test to check is liver. Any thoughts on this? Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: taking Lucy to get fluid drained
Here are vibes that the draining does her some good, and that you can still find a way to save her. My heart goes out to you. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: taking Lucy to get fluid drained I am taking her in half an hour. I am really nervous about it. The vet agreed to do the shot of 1/2 cc dexamethasone into the abdominal cavity after draining, which apparently sometimes helps slow the refill time. I think she is even more anemic than on sat when her pcv was 15-- the parts of her gums that were a little pink then are now completely white. She got her fourth dose of Epogen yesterday, but it clearly is not working yet if it is going to work at all. She gets up to use the litterbox, and looks alert if she hears a mouse in the wall, and purrs to be pet sometimes, but other than that just sleeps. I am going to ask the vet to try leukeran, just in case this is from her ibd or she has developed intestinal small cell lymphoma, since the abx are clearly not helping her so I doubt she has toxo (unless the steroids have been keeping the abx from working or something). I fear that she does not have long left. I am not getting any work done or going anywhere; I have pretty much been researching possibilities of what is happening to her and caring for her/staring at her full-time since the weekend. She is my baby, and I think I am losing her, and I was not ready for this. I really thought she just had a URI when she spiked a fever two weeks ago today. I think it is probably FIP (I just realized that they never actually tested her albumin level, so perhaps it is low after all), but even if it is something else I am losing hope that she will get any better. I want to see if the leukeran will do something. If not, I will try to do the dex/depo shots for comfort. Please keep Lucy in your prayers. I know that this should not be a shock to me at this point, having lost 4 FeLV+ cats and knowing that her age, at least 5.5 years old, is not young for a positive cat. But I love her so much, and can not stand to see her going through this. I also can not imagine this house without her in it. She just started dreaming-- her ear is twitching. I really love this cat. Michelle This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: taking Lucy to get fluid drained
Michelle - are you going to order acemmanan? I am sorry that Lucy's getting more pale - I know exactly what you are going through as it has been my daily routine to check the color of gums of my babies for a while now. Michelle - please don't be fearful - I know it's hard, but try not - fear is our worst enemy - there is really nothing to fear if you really thing about it - journey of you and Lucy will continue and you will be bonded together eternally. Even if she decides to leave the body that she is in as it won't allow her all the things that she has wanted to do, you will be still together forever. I am telling you this, as I needed to exercise this thought with every single one of the babies I lost.. our babies are not afraid of deaths like we are.. they live in the moments,, they are much more perceptive than we are.. they know, the death is not end of the journey ---please stay positive, Michelle - let Lucy knows that there is nothing to worry about.. everything is going to be just fine - comfort her and love her unconditionally no matter what... When I was going through Dharma's illness, I so wanted to make her get better .. and my AC told me that I was putting too much pressure Dharma,,, Dharma felt uncomfortable because of my such a strong desire to want her to get better.. she wanted to feel okay just the way she was.. so instead of praying for her to get better, I started praying for whatever is best for Dharma,, even if it meant for her to leave the body.. I asked what's best for her.. as Dharma felt I was manipulative by wanting her to get better so much .. she wanted me to respect her thought and desire.. and she wanted to feel good about leaving the body when she was ready.. and she did.. I miss her every day so terribly.. but in a way, I am closer to her.. as there is no limitations between us anymore.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: taking Lucy to get fluid drained I am taking her in half an hour. I am really nervous about it. The vet agreed to do the shot of 1/2 cc dexamethasone into the abdominal cavity after draining, which apparently sometimes helps slow the refill time. I think she is even more anemic than on sat when her pcv was 15-- the parts of her gums that were a little pink then are now completely white. She got her fourth dose of Epogen yesterday, but it clearly is not working yet if it is going to work at all. She gets up to use the litterbox, and looks alert if she hears a mouse in the wall, and purrs to be pet sometimes, but other than that just sleeps. I am going to ask the vet to try leukeran, just in case this is from her ibd or she has developed intestinal small cell lymphoma, since the abx are clearly not helping her so I doubt she has toxo (unless the steroids have been keeping the abx from working or something). I fear that she does not have long left. I am not getting any work done or going anywhere; I have pretty much been researching possibilities of what is happening to her and caring for her/staring at her full-time since the weekend. She is my baby, and I think I am losing her, and I was not ready for this. I really thought she just had a URI when she spiked a fever two weeks ago today. I think it is probably FIP (I just realized that they never actually tested her albumin level, so perhaps it is low after all), but even if it is something else I am losing hope that she will get any better. I want to see if the leukeran will do something. If not, I will try to do the dex/depo shots for comfort. Please keep Lucy in your prayers. I know that this should not be a shock to me at this point, having lost 4 FeLV+ cats and knowing that her age, at least 5.5 years old, is not young for a positive cat. But I love her so much, and can not stand to see her going through this. I also can not imagine this house without her in it. She just started dreaming-- her ear is twitching. I really love this cat. Michelle
RE: taking Lucy to get fluid drained
You and Lucy are both in my prayers, Michelle. As with all of us on the list, breaks my heart to see you go through this. Please don't give up hope--I know it's hard, but while your little trooper Lucy still fights this illness, I would think she needs to know you're right there fighting with her (God, yes, I know how hard *that* is). Miracle turnarounds can and do happen. One thing for sure, she couldn't want for a more loving, caring, supportive mom. Along with everyone else I'll be thinking of you this afternoon, and continuing to send prayers and healing vibes for Lucy. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: taking Lucy to get fluid drained I am taking her in half an hour. I am really nervous about it. The vet agreed to do the shot of 1/2 cc dexamethasone into the abdominal cavity after draining, which apparently sometimes helps slow the refill time. I think she is even more anemic than on sat when her pcv was 15-- the parts of her gums that were a little pink then are now completely white. She got her fourth dose of Epogen yesterday, but it clearly is not working yet if it is going to work at all. She gets up to use the litterbox, and looks alert if she hears a mouse in the wall, and purrs to be pet sometimes, but other than that just sleeps. I am going to ask the vet to try leukeran, just in case this is from her ibd or she has developed intestinal small cell lymphoma, since the abx are clearly not helping her so I doubt she has toxo (unless the steroids have been keeping the abx from working or something). I fear that she does not have long left. I am not getting any work done or going anywhere; I have pretty much been researching possibilities of what is happening to her and caring for her/staring at her full-time since the weekend. She is my baby, and I think I am losing her, and I was not ready for this. I really thought she just had a URI when she spiked a fever two weeks ago today. I think it is probably FIP (I just realized that they never actually tested her albumin level, so perhaps it is low after all), but even if it is something else I am losing hope that she will get any better. I want to see if the leukeran will do something. If not, I will try to do the dex/depo shots for comfort. Please keep Lucy in your prayers. I know that this should not be a shock to me at this point, having lost 4 FeLV+ cats and knowing that her age, at least 5.5 years old, is not young for a positive cat. But I love her so much, and can not stand to see her going through this. I also can not imagine this house without her in it. She just started dreaming-- her ear is twitching. I really love this cat. Michelle IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: To Kelley Re: Getting cat prescriptions filled on line
Thanks...yes, People's here in Austin was like $50 for flagyl compounded into liquid..and they close at 6 pm too! Ciara says It still tasted nasty, even with triple fish flavor. Ew! On 1/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. For the same meds here in Dallas, where I live, it costs about $40 at a local compounding pharmacy!!! Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Yahoo groups
Why don't you just get a NEW yahoogroups account? It sure would be a LOT easier! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Chris and Mylo
I agree with Belinda... I REGRET not trying all of that for Moogie (I wasn't here on the list long enough to learn enough before I opted to have Moogie euthanised). I don't want anyone else to have second guesses years down the road. I'm just thankful that I've stuck around here and learned about it all now, so I never have to go into any more circumstances like that with another cat... being undereducated. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: midnight
Probably a mind urinary tract infection... but they should probably send him home with antibiotics from his neuter anyways, so that will take care of both things! Do insist on the antibiotics... for a FELV+ cat, you really can't be too safe. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Rompi
Wendy, thank you for asking. Rompi's surgery has been scheduled for thursday morning. Today's RX showed nothing abnormal, apart that evil thing with the diameter of a golf ball. Rompi has no symptoms, eats like a lion, evacuates like a lion, is FIV-/FeLV- and the vet says that his blood test panel would make happy a lot of 1-year old kitties (rompi is 14). I need INFORMATION, I cannot subscribe to the lymphoma and cancer Yahoo groups, I wrote to the Feline Anemia list owner (I subscribed there maybe 5 or 6 years ago) but NO ONE ANSWERS Paolo (worried/angry)
Re: Chris and Mylo
No, animals don't FEAR the pain of dying (and don't fear dying, for that matter), because they live in the moment, so they are only fearful when actually in the process of being scared (and they don't have a belief system that registers the end of life or moving to another cycle like we do, so they don't even conceptualize death like we do). They don't anticipate things, they don't think ahead like we do. But, they do still feel pain, and would rather NOT have to feel it. Their pain responses are just like ours, if you hurt a cat, it will pull away or vocalize. They will run to avoid pain. (ever see one move it's tail just as you were about to step on it?) I think the AC's you've spoken to are wrong. Phaewryn I used to think this too but since I've heard from many AC's that animals don't fear the pain sometimes associated with dying in some instances and many actually prefer to go through the whole cycle I am really more of the thinking of letting them complete the cycle without my intervention. Now if I clearly get the idea that an animal would rather not go naturally I will help them and having done it both ways there to me is no harder thing than helping an animal go, although the other is pretty tough also.
Re: taking Lucy to get fluid drained
I hope Lucy feels better after the fluid is drained, and improves! Keeping fingers crossed for her! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Lucy update
Well, Lucy screamed while they were feeling around her belly trying to find the place to put the needle in, but while they drained she just laid in my arms and purred. The fluid, which I was told was clear and thin on January 16 and 17 when samples were taken, looked pale yellow to me and the vet said the consistency was a bit thick. He sent some more out to be analyzed, but he feels quite sure it is fip. He filled a small bowl 2 or 3 times with fluid-- I would guess at least 100 or 200 cc's. And when the fluid stopped coming, he said he had reached the end of that pocket, but she still has a huge belly. He said he did not want to keep poking her all over trying to find the pockets to drain it from, and wants me to just see how she does with that much drained. He did not think her breathing was bad to begin with. He put the 1/2 cc dexamethasone shot into the catheter when it stopped draining. He said her belly may fill up faster now, since proteins were taken out of circulation by draining from the abdomen and lower proteins enable more effusion. I guess that is why some people have said it filled up faster after being drained. He was amazed that she is still eating. I think it must just be all the pred. I asked for leukeran. He wants to wait a couple of days and see what the new fluid analysis says and how she does on the increased pred and the dex that she got in her belly today. He is worried the leukeran might suppress her bone marrow more. He really does not think the fluid is from ibd or lymphoma, as he said he has never seen either create anywhere near this amount of fluid. She was happy to get home and walked around a little, though she looked a little wobbly. At one point she actually ran for about 20 feet or so, and her poor jelly belly swung from side to side as she did. Now she is camped out on the heating pad by her new favorite spot, a bookshelf where she heard a mouse this morning. She has been purring a lot more today, I think because I gave her more pred this morning and maybe she has had some fever and that took it away, I don't know. I so don't want to lose her, but know what Hideyo said is right. I asked the vet about coming to the home for euthanasia at some point and he said he will if he can schedule-wise. I asked him what will get her, as I have never had a cat with wet fip before. He did not know, as most people euthanize at diagnosis of wet fip he said. Does anyone know? Is it likely to be her anemia? Or will something else happen? He said she will probably stop eating at some point, despite the steroids. I do not think I will want to force-feed her, unless she seems to be otherwise feeling good. Right now she is falling asleep. She is my baby. Michelle
Re: Rompi
You can subscribe to yahoogroups if you want to, you just refuse to do it. GET A NEW ACCOUNT SET UP. https://edit.yahoo.com/config/eval_register?.intl=usnew=1.src=ygrp.v=0.done=http%3a//groups.yahoo.com Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Yahoo groups
I was thinking the same thing Sally Davis On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you just get a NEW yahoogroups account? It sure would be a LOT easier! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: Rompi
Paolo, On your email provider, can you select a second screen name? I can, on aol, if I want. If you can, you could basically create a different email address (different screen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) provider). and then you should not have trouble setting up a new yahoo groups account. If not, can you subscribe to a second email provider for a month or so in order to get a different email address? Some may even have one month free promotions. Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 3:12:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wendy, thank you for asking. Rompi's surgery has been scheduled for thursday morning. Today's RX showed nothing abnormal, apart that evil thing with the diameter of a golf ball. Rompi has no symptoms, eats like a lion, evacuates like a lion, is FIV-/FeLV- and the vet says that his blood test panel would make happy a lot of 1-year old kitties (rompi is 14). I need INFORMATION, I cannot subscribe to the lymphoma and cancer Yahoo groups, I wrote to the Feline Anemia list owner (I subscribed there maybe 5 or 6 years ago) but NO ONE ANSWERS Paolo (worried/angry)
Re: Lucy update
None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Lucy update
i know a lot of FIP cats, with the wet form, that have been allowed to die naturally at home, so i guess i'm missing the point here On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Lucy update
As I understand it, with wet FIP unless fluid is continually drained it will begin to accumulate in the abdominal cavity and begin to squeeze out the lungs so that breathing becomes harder and harder -- and the cat essentially suffocates. I think that is why all wet FIP kitties are euthanized. I may be wrong but I think that is how my vet described it. Keeping you and Lucy in my prayers. She has such a lot of spirit. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know a lot of FIP cats, with the wet form, that have been allowed to die naturally at home, so i guess i'm missing the point here On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Rompi
He doesn't NEED to do that! I don't understand WHY it has to be so complicated! Click here: http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?logout=1.partner=.intl=us.done=http%3a%2f%2fmy.yahoo.com%2findex.html.src=my Ok, that will log you out if you are logged into yahoo.com Then, click here: http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12i36bp8f/M=289534.8580108.9374762.8312945/D=groups/S=96584352:HEADR/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1170198923/A=3645658/R=4/SIG=132e3n1st/*http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?logout=1.done=http://groups.yahoo.com%2f.src=ygrp.intl=us Ok, that should log you out of yahoogroups if you are logged in there. Now, CLOSE all your browser windows. Now, click here: https://edit.yahoo.com/config/eval_register?.intl=usnew=1.src=ygrp.v=0.done=http%3a//groups.yahoo.com Follow the instructions to sign up for a new account. YOU DO NOT NEED A YAHOO EMAIL ADDRESS TO DO THIS. IT WILL MAKE YOU A NEW ONE! You can use your existing email address as your alternate email address in the form, I just created myself another yahoo account to test it, it did not tell me I already had an account with that email, even though I do! The person that moderates the yahoogroup will NOT have your password info, as group owners do not have access to that info from yahoo. That is probably why she is not answering you, because she can't help you! Here is the I forgot my username and password page: https://edit.yahoo.com/config/eval_forgot_pw?fyar=1.intl=us.src=fpctx.partner=fpctx.done=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com Phaewryn - Paolo, On your email provider, can you select a second screen name? I can, on aol, if I want. If you can, you could basically create a different email address (different screen [EMAIL PROTECTED] provider). and then you should not have trouble setting up a new yahoo groups account. If not, can you subscribe to a second email provider for a month or so in order to get a different email address? Some may even have one month free promotions. Michelle
Lucy visualization
Hello Michelle, So I just checked out some of The Secret movie. I have to say that I am not very New Age. I like dirt and rocks and things that my hands can touch and pick up. I am going to school again getting my science classes - chemistry, biology, physics, etc. - dirt and rocks stuff, and I am constantly amazed at how little we know about all that we know. We know some stuff about the bits that fill the space around us, but the space itself, of which there is far more of than the bits - a mystery. I just watched What the Bleep Do We Know this weekend and I was very impressed. It reminds me of the The Secret and I would encourage those of you who haven't seen it, to watch it. I want to be a Quantum Physicist now so badly. :) Anyway, this stuff is not New Age, it's just beautifully simple - like e=mc squared. For the speed of light to be packaged in five human symbols is amazing in it's complexity and simplicity. This is all to say, it these videos make sense and are very hopeful. So, I'm new to this visualization stuff, but with all of your help, I visualized constantly the thread connecting me with Satchmo and Beatrix when they were lost (as did you all - and still, thank you!) and less than 48 hours later they were back with me. So Michelle, please, please don't think about how empty your house will be without Lucy, because what you are visualizing is an empty house full of despair. And what you are sending out is that image. Sit next to Lucy and close your eyes and feel her, listen to her breathe, and see her all over the house for years to come. Look at your hand on her back, the way her fur looks under it, feels under it, and see a sunny summer day when you are petting her asleep in a sunspot. And see next Christmas when she's all cracked out on catnip. See a house full of her and hope in many situations to come. Be filled with the joy of it. Like I said, I'm new to this, so I don't know how death fits in, how we handle it when the universe ignores our visualization. Nina and Hideyo help us there. But whatever you do, please don't see the house empty. That bridge isn't here yet, so keep your eyes on the space in front of you and what you'd like it to look like. I am so New Age, I love it. What have you guys done to me? Hideyo has me singing songs about her cats, Michelle has me filling her house with cat breathe. :) Leslie
Re: midnight
we can't forget that when they're showing symptoms of a UTI and they pull urine for analysis, that a gram ID and sensitivity test has to be done in order to identify the buggy that is the culprit so they can give the correct abx. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:05:59 PM Subject: Re: midnight WOO HOO because he peed on my husband in bed this morning. I thought he was going to kick me and Midnight out of the house! Instead he said, take your cat and get out of bed! He is a grump in the middle of the night. Then again, cat pee isn't pleasant to wake up to! wendy wrote: White blood cells in the urine usually indicate bacteria is present, thus a UTI. Curing this will most likely help with the peeing everywhere. Make sure they give you antibiotics to cure the UTI if the vet says that's what it is. :) Wendy --- Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just called to check on Midnight and they said he is waking up right now from the neuter. He did great. They checked his urine and the receptionist said she thought there were white blood cells in the urine. I gave the vet permission to do a blood test to check is liver. Any thoughts on this? Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make sure it's a NON-adjuvanted rabies and distemper vaccine, and that the distemper is not a combo vaccine that has Chlamydophila (also known as: Chlamydiosis, Chlamydia psittaci) in it, as it's an unnecessary vaccine with common side effects and very little benefit. Ask for Merial's PUREVAX rabies: http://merialusa.naccvp.com/view.php?prodnum=058 and Heska's Feline ULTRANASAL FVRCP: http://www.heska.com/ultranasal/pr_info.asp Here's more about what adjuvants are: http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lucy update
With dry fip, it is organ failure and/or anemia. My Buddy died naturally from what probably was dry fip. His pcv was 6 the last time it was measured, a couple of days before. The vet said he should not have been able to stand. But he was on the dex/depo combo shots, and he was literally trotting around the house. I want to put Lucy on those shots. Wet fip is different, though, and does not usually affect organs in the same way. Cats stop eating at some point, and that will kill them if they are not force-fed. So maybe that is what happens, or anemia. Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:07:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn
Re: Lucy update
yes, you are probably right. It is possible to keep draining it, but how many times do you do that? as long as they are still eating? I don't know. But you probably are right. Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:27:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I understand it, with wet FIP unless fluid is continually drained it will begin to accumulate in the abdominal cavity and begin to squeeze out the lungs so that breathing becomes harder and harder -- and the cat essentially suffocates. I think that is why all wet FIP kitties are euthanized. I may be wrong but I think that is how my vet described it. Keeping you and Lucy in my prayers. She has such a lot of spirit.
Re: Lucy update
Do you know what actually killed them in the end? was it not eating, or breathing difficulty, or anemia, or something else? I am just trying to prepare myself. thanks, Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:16:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i know a lot of FIP cats, with the wet form, that have been allowed to die naturally at home, so i guess i'm missing the point here
Re: cat BM in inappropriate locations
Rubbermaid also makes high sided boxes with an entryway in one of the short sides. The ones I have have 11 sides (on the 3 sides) and I've seen Bandit actually standing up and tinkling against the side, so it's definitely high enough - and he can be a vigorous digger too. I got them at petsmart and I think I got some $ off with my pet perks card can't remember for sure now. Here's a link to the model I have:) http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441808078FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302033737ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023690bmUID=1170193454082itemNo=3In=CatN=2033737Ne=2 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:22:46 PM Subject: Re: cat BM in inappropriate locations Try placing a new litter box near the old one (leave it). I like the Rubbermaid 18 gallon boxes instead of the regular litter boxes--they give the cat more room to scratch and are high enough backed that, if the cat can't get down, urine isn't sprayed out. You can cut a door out on the short side if you think the box is too high for the cat to jump in and out of. Fill it with the litter he likes. Now is no time to change litter or put a fragranced one in. If he is associating the litter box with pain, and I have had that happen a number of times, a new one should help. Also spray Feliway everyplace he has gone inappropriately. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: cat BM in inappropriate locations In a way, this is almost funny, and I hate to interject it between all the terribly serious things that are happening with other's cats and the desperate measures some are going to try and save their babies. My heart goes out to you, Paolo and Michelle in particular. Our ~12 y.o. FIV+ male, Otis, has begun defecating in various places around the house. The first incidence happened probably a month ago, when he was locked in the bedroom with no litter box for about 1/2 an hour (feeding time). He used the closet. We said stupid us and made sure never to do that again. A few days later, he went in the closet again. The doors were all open and he was never locked in. A month later, we found it in the bathroom, on the bathmat. Next, we found urine on the bathmat. The next day, he went right on the tile in the corner of the bathroom. Today, I *knew* he was going to do it, went in there and caught him, put him in the litterbox. He vaulted out of there like a teenager and headed right back to the bathroom. When he squatted, I picked him up, and, well, he did it anyway. My partner is a vet tech, and I held him while she expressed his anal glands today. One had a lot of relatively hard matter in it; the other seemed pretty normal. We were hoping that was the reason for his behavior. Lo, he went in the bathtub while we were out at the gym this evening -- just a small bit, but there it was. Did he develop a litterbox aversion because the anal gland was bothering him and just hasn't figured out that it will not hurt to use the litterbox? Or ... what on earth is going on? On the tile and in the bathtub are two of the least destructive choices he could make but naturally we want him in the litterbox! Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948 TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
RE: Lucy update
Actually, with all of my 6 kitties who died of FIP, they all passed away naturally except one, Olive who developed severe neurological symptoms and had seizures every 15 mins.. Peter died from the liver problem and died very quickly... Naomi died very peacefully.. Rikki died from ARF, Dharma died from anemia/liver, Lizzie died from liver/neurological problems.. whenever neurological problem shows, you know that it's towards the end stage - It's known to be.. usually with FIP cats, they don't have severe anemia but mild.. and organ failures and seizures seem to be more common cause of death.. but for some reason, lately more cats with FIP develop more severe anemia.. which seems to be consistent throughout for some reason. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update With dry fip, it is organ failure and/or anemia. My Buddy died naturally from what probably was dry fip. His pcv was 6 the last time it was measured, a couple of days before. The vet said he should not have been able to stand. But he was on the dex/depo combo shots, and he was literally trotting around the house. I want to put Lucy on those shots. Wet fip is different, though, and does not usually affect organs in the same way. Cats stop eating at some point, and that will kill them if they are not force-fed. So maybe that is what happens, or anemia. Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:07:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn
Re: Lucy update
Hideyo, all of yours had dry fip, though, right? Or did one have wet fip? In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:51:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, with all of my 6 kitties who died of FIP, they all passed away naturally except one, Olive who developed severe neurological symptoms and had seizures every 15 mins.. Peter died from the liver problem and died very quickly… Naomi died very peacefully.. Rikki died from ARF, Dharma died from anemia/liver, Lizzie died from liver/neurological problems.. whenever neurological problem shows, you know that it’s towards the end stage – It’s known to be.. usually with FIP cats, they don’t have severe anemia but mild.. and organ failures and seizures seem to be more common cause of death.. but for some reason, lately more cats with FIP develop more severe anemia.. which seems to be consistent throughout for some reason.
RE: Lucy update
Michelle - I am crying as I read this email as I know how much you want Lucy to get better and so do I ---I wish I had this power to cure all the sick babies in the world to make a miracle happen.. Michelle - don't think about euthanizing her right now.. she is eating.. and she does not seem to be in pain.. who knows she may beat this thing even if it's FIP - sometimes, according to dr. ishida's paper, it takes 2 to 4 weeks to fluid to be gone completely and recover from FIP.. again the challenge is the anemia status - I think that is the biggest challenge her - you could give her transfusions to buy time until epogen starts working.. Just continue to fight with her.. she is fighting with you - if for some reason, if she does not want to anymore.. you will know.. just love her like there is no tomorrow.. hold her and kiss her and enjoy every minute and every second.. she is your baby,, and she will always be your baby and no one can take that away from you... Hideyo _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Lucy update Well, Lucy screamed while they were feeling around her belly trying to find the place to put the needle in, but while they drained she just laid in my arms and purred. The fluid, which I was told was clear and thin on January 16 and 17 when samples were taken, looked pale yellow to me and the vet said the consistency was a bit thick. He sent some more out to be analyzed, but he feels quite sure it is fip. He filled a small bowl 2 or 3 times with fluid-- I would guess at least 100 or 200 cc's. And when the fluid stopped coming, he said he had reached the end of that pocket, but she still has a huge belly. He said he did not want to keep poking her all over trying to find the pockets to drain it from, and wants me to just see how she does with that much drained. He did not think her breathing was bad to begin with. He put the 1/2 cc dexamethasone shot into the catheter when it stopped draining. He said her belly may fill up faster now, since proteins were taken out of circulation by draining from the abdomen and lower proteins enable more effusion. I guess that is why some people have said it filled up faster after being drained. He was amazed that she is still eating. I think it must just be all the pred. I asked for leukeran. He wants to wait a couple of days and see what the new fluid analysis says and how she does on the increased pred and the dex that she got in her belly today. He is worried the leukeran might suppress her bone marrow more. He really does not think the fluid is from ibd or lymphoma, as he said he has never seen either create anywhere near this amount of fluid. She was happy to get home and walked around a little, though she looked a little wobbly. At one point she actually ran for about 20 feet or so, and her poor jelly belly swung from side to side as she did. Now she is camped out on the heating pad by her new favorite spot, a bookshelf where she heard a mouse this morning. She has been purring a lot more today, I think because I gave her more pred this morning and maybe she has had some fever and that took it away, I don't know. I so don't want to lose her, but know what Hideyo said is right. I asked the vet about coming to the home for euthanasia at some point and he said he will if he can schedule-wise. I asked him what will get her, as I have never had a cat with wet fip before. He did not know, as most people euthanize at diagnosis of wet fip he said. Does anyone know? Is it likely to be her anemia? Or will something else happen? He said she will probably stop eating at some point, despite the steroids. I do not think I will want to force-feed her, unless she seems to be otherwise feeling good. Right now she is falling asleep. She is my baby. Michelle
RE: Lucy update
One FIP I had was Henry - -about 4 years ago and he was only 6 months old.. he died very peacefully, he stopped breathing in his sleep almost... I think that the cause was liver.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Hideyo, all of yours had dry fip, though, right? Or did one have wet fip? In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:51:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, with all of my 6 kitties who died of FIP, they all passed away naturally except one, Olive who developed severe neurological symptoms and had seizures every 15 mins.. Peter died from the liver problem and died very quickly... Naomi died very peacefully.. Rikki died from ARF, Dharma died from anemia/liver, Lizzie died from liver/neurological problems.. whenever neurological problem shows, you know that it's towards the end stage - It's known to be.. usually with FIP cats, they don't have severe anemia but mild.. and organ failures and seizures seem to be more common cause of death.. but for some reason, lately more cats with FIP develop more severe anemia.. which seems to be consistent throughout for some reason.
RE: Lucy update
Sally Forrester who used to be on this list lost many kitties to wet FIP - do you want to contact her? I also have another friend, karen whom I met on FIP list lost many cats to wet and dry - let me know if you want to contact her.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Hideyo, all of yours had dry fip, though, right? Or did one have wet fip? In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:51:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, with all of my 6 kitties who died of FIP, they all passed away naturally except one, Olive who developed severe neurological symptoms and had seizures every 15 mins.. Peter died from the liver problem and died very quickly... Naomi died very peacefully.. Rikki died from ARF, Dharma died from anemia/liver, Lizzie died from liver/neurological problems.. whenever neurological problem shows, you know that it's towards the end stage - It's known to be.. usually with FIP cats, they don't have severe anemia but mild.. and organ failures and seizures seem to be more common cause of death.. but for some reason, lately more cats with FIP develop more severe anemia.. which seems to be consistent throughout for some reason.
Re: Lucy update
Hideyo, I am not going to do anything to her right now. I hardly ever euthanize at all, much less while someone is eating. Most of my animals have died at home on their own. I just do not want her to suffer too much in the end, which is why I asked the vet. I think my cat Buddy went through too much at the end. Hope is getting slimmer, and I don't want to put her through transfusions. I know they are not a big deal in themselves, but we would have to do them at an ER very far away, and she gets so very stressed out, and the process takes a good 4-5 hours between typing, thawing the blood, doing the transfusion, and making sure there is no reaction. Add in the driving and we are talking about 6-7hours. She has enough trouble going to the vet that is 10 minutes away. While she was ok for the draining, she was screaming at the top of her lungs before he started. I thought she was at transfusion level on Saturday and her pcv was 15. I think she is worse now, but maybe, like on Saturday, I am completely wrong about that. I hope so. I will continue to give her the feline interferon. Were Dr. Ishida's patients very sick already when he started treating them? My shipment still has not come in. I have enough from the vial you sent me to get me through Thursday. Hopefully it will come before then. If it doesn't come by Thursday, would you send me another vial? (her dose would be due on Friday). if she is still here, which I hope and pray and believe she will be. Thanks, Hideyo, for everything, Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 5:02:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle – I am crying as I read this email as I know how much you want Lucy to get better and so do I ---I wish I had this power to cure all the sick babies in the world to make a miracle happen.. Michelle – don’t think about euthanizing her right now.. she is eating.. and she does not seem to be in pain.. who knows she may beat this thing even if it’s FIP – sometimes, according to dr. ishida’s paper, it takes 2 to 4 weeks to fluid to be gone completely and recover from FIP.. again the challenge is the anemia status – I think that is the biggest challenge her – you could give her transfusions to buy time until epogen starts working.. Just continue to fight with her.. she is fighting with you – if for some reason, if she does not want to anymore.. you will know.. just love her like there is no tomorrow.. hold her and kiss her and enjoy every minute and every second.. she is your baby,, and she will always be your baby and no one can take that away from you… Hideyo
RE: Lucy update
Yes, I will send you another vial if you need me to, you just let me know, Michelle - In addition to Mr. Ishida's studies, I also read about one case study of Pancho (?) who had FIP and FIV - and he was in a very bad shape, and he recovered completely for about 1.5 year with interferon and due to the financial issue, they were giving human interferon and Pancho must have developed antibody when he developed FIP again 1.5 year later.. and due to financial reason, they couldn't treat him anymore- Most of his cases were FIP cats.. due to fluid, some had a difficult time breathing.. sounded like in a pretty bad shape,, but none of them were that anemic when they were brought in ---let me find the study and will email you off line.. I just forwarded an email from sally to you so that you can read what happened to her babies.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Hideyo, I am not going to do anything to her right now. I hardly ever euthanize at all, much less while someone is eating. Most of my animals have died at home on their own. I just do not want her to suffer too much in the end, which is why I asked the vet. I think my cat Buddy went through too much at the end. Hope is getting slimmer, and I don't want to put her through transfusions. I know they are not a big deal in themselves, but we would have to do them at an ER very far away, and she gets so very stressed out, and the process takes a good 4-5 hours between typing, thawing the blood, doing the transfusion, and making sure there is no reaction. Add in the driving and we are talking about 6-7hours. She has enough trouble going to the vet that is 10 minutes away. While she was ok for the draining, she was screaming at the top of her lungs before he started. I thought she was at transfusion level on Saturday and her pcv was 15. I think she is worse now, but maybe, like on Saturday, I am completely wrong about that. I hope so. I will continue to give her the feline interferon. Were Dr. Ishida's patients very sick already when he started treating them? My shipment still has not come in. I have enough from the vial you sent me to get me through Thursday. Hopefully it will come before then. If it doesn't come by Thursday, would you send me another vial? (her dose would be due on Friday). if she is still here, which I hope and pray and believe she will be. Thanks, Hideyo, for everything, Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 5:02:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle - I am crying as I read this email as I know how much you want Lucy to get better and so do I ---I wish I had this power to cure all the sick babies in the world to make a miracle happen.. Michelle - don't think about euthanizing her right now.. she is eating.. and she does not seem to be in pain.. who knows she may beat this thing even if it's FIP - sometimes, according to dr. ishida's paper, it takes 2 to 4 weeks to fluid to be gone completely and recover from FIP.. again the challenge is the anemia status - I think that is the biggest challenge her - you could give her transfusions to buy time until epogen starts working.. Just continue to fight with her.. she is fighting with you - if for some reason, if she does not want to anymore.. you will know.. just love her like there is no tomorrow.. hold her and kiss her and enjoy every minute and every second.. she is your baby,, and she will always be your baby and no one can take that away from you... Hideyo
Re: Lucy visualization
Oh Leslie thank you! (I gotta tell you lady, I'm crazy about you). Your post encouraging Michelle to visualize Lucy happy and healthy was just perfect. Michelle, you haven't responded to any of this, I don't know if you're too wrapped up in the fear, the research, (the dirt and rock touching stuff), or just think those of us encouraging you to try are, while well meaning, are too far out on a limb to be taken seriously. I think I identified with this, (what?)... this philosophy, detailed in The Secret because I've personally had experience with it working, (like Leslie with the miraculous recovery of Bea and Satch). No one is saying that you don't have to help the things you want along, you are not taken out of the equation, but you have to SEE and THINK and VISUALIZE the things you want as if they are already here, already happening. Lighten your heart as you look for answers. Envision those answers coming to you, and stop worrying about the HOW of it all. Your last couple of posts have you concentrating and visualizing the very thing you want the least. Please, please, please, try and stop yourself from doing that. How can it hurt? Even if it is Lucy's time, you will have saved yourself so much anguish. Leslie, you ask Hideyo and me to help you out about 'when God says no', :-) (sorry Phaewryn, I use the word as a universal, please translate it to what makes sense to you). I read that and at first blush had no idea how I might respond, but then as I think on it... Because all things have their season; all things that exist must transition; all that lives must die, (and perhaps be born again in one form or another, but that's another discussion), perhaps when we ask for things like prolonging the life of someone ready, (at their soul's level) to cross, it is not in our power to change the outcome because it is that very soul that is sending out the desire to do so and the backing of the Universe is behind that outcome because it is the right time. I can't tell you how many times, something horrible, something that seems so wrong has happened, and yet given enough time and distance from my suffering, I can see the good that came of it. Susan's little lost Jackie springs to mind. Well, that's my take a stab at it from the seat of my pants answer. Ask me again tomorrow. Leslie, you want to be a Quantum Physicist, and it appears I long to be a philosopher. Can we get anymore OT? Nina Leslie wrote: Hello Michelle, So I just checked out some of The Secret movie. I have to say that I am not very New Age. I like dirt and rocks and things that my hands can touch and pick up. I am going to school again getting my science classes - chemistry, biology, physics, etc. - dirt and rocks stuff, and I am constantly amazed at how little we know about all that we know. We know some stuff about the bits that fill the space around us, but the space itself, of which there is far more of than the bits - a mystery. I just watched What the Bleep Do We Know this weekend and I was very impressed. It reminds me of the The Secret and I would encourage those of you who haven't seen it, to watch it. I want to be a Quantum Physicist now so badly. :) Anyway, this stuff is not New Age, it's just beautifully simple - like e=mc squared. For the speed of light to be packaged in five human symbols is amazing in it's complexity and simplicity. This is all to say, it these videos make sense and are very hopeful. So, I'm new to this visualization stuff, but with all of your help, I visualized constantly the thread connecting me with Satchmo and Beatrix when they were lost (as did you all - and still, thank you!) and less than 48 hours later they were back with me. So Michelle, please, please don't think about how empty your house will be without Lucy, because what you are visualizing is an empty house full of despair. And what you are sending out is that image. Sit next to Lucy and close your eyes and feel her, listen to her breathe, and see her all over the house for years to come. Look at your hand on her back, the way her fur looks under it, feels under it, and see a sunny summer day when you are petting her asleep in a sunspot. And see next Christmas when she's all cracked out on catnip. See a house full of her and hope in many situations to come. Be filled with the joy of it. Like I said, I'm new to this, so I don't know how death fits in, how we handle it when the universe ignores our visualization. Nina and Hideyo help us there. But whatever you do, please don't see the house empty. That bridge isn't here yet, so keep your eyes on the space in front of you and what you'd like it to look like. I am so New Age, I love it. What have you guys done to me? Hideyo has me singing songs about her cats, Michelle has me filling her house with cat breathe. :) Leslie
Re: cat BM in inappropriate locations
Rubbermaid also makes high sided boxes with an entryway in one of the short= sides. The ones I have have 11 sides (on the 3 sides) and I've seen Band= it actually standing up and tinkling against the side, so it's definitely h= Yeah, we actually use file storage bins purchased at an office supply store. We cut a hole in the side for our arthritic older citizens in some of them, and others we just let them hop in and out of the top. The boys love the stand up and pee thing, and the arthritic older lady can no longer squat. She goes over the side on everything Petsmart sells including that nice high-backed job (yep, we tried it), and covered litterboxes don't work because she pees right at the crack between the cover and the bottom, with subsequent drippings out the back. Anyway, I am sure another litterbox would be totally appropriate; my partner is yelling at me about it already, but I REALLY want to avoid it. We have such a teeny house and every place we can put a litterbox pretty much already has one. We had one more poopie outside the box that was very hard and dry and nothing since then. I suspect he's feeling better about things back there and hope he is recovering from his litterbox aversion. Otherwise I guess we'll be putting a litterbox somewhere quite unpleasant. Thanks for the suggestions. Lynette
RE: Lucy visualization
If you guys remember, when Belinda on the list lost Bailey-she sent us a photo of the sky with the cloud, just mimicking Bailey's face - now that's a connection that goes beyond what we can explain.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy visualization where does death fit into it all? think about the conservation of energy: love doesn't die, it just changes form. so our little furry ones never leave us, they just inhabit a different type of space--i think many of us on this list can tell you about seeing ridge cats in our homes out of the corner of our eye. whenever i move, i always spend my final moments in the house talking with the cats that have left this plane from that physical space, and inviting them to come join us in the new one. banesh hoffman wrote a wonderful book called, the strange story of the quantum, in everyday language for the non-scientist, that traces scientific history in terms of all the things we once knew for sure in light of what we now know. i'm sure this isn't an exact quote, but it's close enough: First there was the electromagnetic ether, then there was the luminescent ether, and now there is nether. On 1/30/07, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michelle, So I just checked out some of The Secret movie. I have to say that I am not very New Age. I like dirt and rocks and things that my hands can touch and pick up. I am going to school again getting my science classes - chemistry, biology, physics, etc. - dirt and rocks stuff, and I am constantly amazed at how little we know about all that we know. We know some stuff about the bits that fill the space around us, but the space itself, of which there is far more of than the bits - a mystery. I just watched What the Bleep Do We Know this weekend and I was very impressed. It reminds me of the The Secret and I would encourage those of you who haven't seen it, to watch it. I want to be a Quantum Physicist now so badly. :) Anyway, this stuff is not New Age, it's just beautifully simple - like e=mc squared. For the speed of light to be packaged in five human symbols is amazing in it's complexity and simplicity. This is all to say, it these videos make sense and are very hopeful. So, I'm new to this visualization stuff, but with all of your help, I visualized constantly the thread connecting me with Satchmo and Beatrix when they were lost (as did you all - and still, thank you!) and less than 48 hours later they were back with me. So Michelle, please, please don't think about how empty your house will be without Lucy, because what you are visualizing is an empty house full of despair. And what you are sending out is that image. Sit next to Lucy and close your eyes and feel her, listen to her breathe, and see her all over the house for years to come. Look at your hand on her back, the way her fur looks under it, feels under it, and see a sunny summer day when you are petting her asleep in a sunspot. And see next Christmas when she's all cracked out on catnip. See a house full of her and hope in many situations to come. Be filled with the joy of it. Like I said, I'm new to this, so I don't know how death fits in, how we handle it when the universe ignores our visualization. Nina and Hideyo help us there. But whatever you do, please don't see the house empty. That bridge isn't here yet, so keep your eyes on the space in front of you and what you'd like it to look like. I am so New Age, I love it. What have you guys done to me? Hideyo has me singing songs about her cats, Michelle has me filling her house with cat breathe. :) Leslie -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Lucy update
There was not a single cat whom I lost to FIP that I did not have to syringe feed them towards the end as anorexia is a common symptoms of FIP - most of my cats stopped eating though they may not act that ill.. they don't feel well due to the liver damage and feel nauseated so they don't want to eat.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Do you know what actually killed them in the end? was it not eating, or breathing difficulty, or anemia, or something else? I am just trying to prepare myself. thanks, Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:16:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i know a lot of FIP cats, with the wet form, that have been allowed to die naturally at home, so i guess i'm missing the point here
fever question
Lucy has mostly, I think, not had bad fevers since starting on 10 mg/day of pred plus clindamycin Saturday before last. Occasionally she has felt warm, though, like she does now, and I think has a low grade fever. When at the vet on Sat she felt warm like this and her temp was 104.1. She felt cool when she got home so we chalked it up to stress. But she is warm again now, and has been periodically. What I did when her fevers were high, and up until today even when she just felt warm like she does now, is give her fluids and if needed put ice packs against her. However, I decided today, while at the vet's, to try not giving her fluids generally, as I had been giving her about 100 cc's every day sub-q just as supportive care. The reason I decided to try stopping is that Gray really felt that her belly was partially expanding so quickly with fluid because the sub-q's were ending up there. I told him this was not possible without low protein count, which to my knowledge she does not have (proteins were normal when blood taken on 1/17). But I asked the vet, and he said he thinks it's possible that some of it has been ending up in her belly. He said that if she is eating so much baby food-- 2-4 jars per day, usually at least 2.5 or 3-- and drinking she should be fine without fluids. I said she is not drinking, but then again I have been giving her fluids daily. I asked if adding water to the baby food would be sufficient, and he said he thought it should be. She hates getting fluids, so I also thought it would minimize stress. But now she feels warm. By now I normally would have given her fluids, which perhaps kept her from getting warm, I don't know. She is eating while this warm-- just ate probably 1/4 jar baby food. She hates the ice packs too. Do you think it is ok at this point, if she is eating and looking fairly alert, just not to do anything about the fever and see if it goes down on its own? She seems happier when not feverish-- purrs, etc., and does not when feverish-- but I would like to see if not giving them helps her belly refill more slowly. Please let me know your thoughts. By the way, I think she was eating one night when her fever was 105.8, so I can't swear that it is actually low-grade by the way she is acting. Michelle
Re: fever question
Actually, she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against her and she actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is not down in 15 minutes I will give her fluids. What I don't understand is why she got another high fever all of a sudden, after so long. She got more steroids today than she probably has ever gotten, so she should be less-- much less- prone to getting a fever today. Does this mean the fip is getting worse? Could it somehow be because her fluid got drained today? she is still on a mega-dose (toxo dosing) of clindamycin, so it should not be that she got an infection of any kind from that. depressed and concerned, Michelle
Re: Getting cat prescriptions filled on line
I just had Inky's metronidazole (flagyl) refilled at Road Runner Pharmacy in Phoenix. It was $34.95 which included 2nd day air shipping.UPS.. I got 60cc chicken flavor..dosage is 100mg/ml. He gets .3cc daily.. Thought you guys might want to check this out.. Also, I am 90 miles from Dallas and 60 from Ft. Worth...Just wondering where a compounding pharmacy is in the D/FW area...?? Thanks and hopes this helps, Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: Getting cat prescriptions filled on line
the subject line of this thread just hit me. my doctor wants me to take two calicos, and call him in the morning. can you fill that scrip? -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Getting cat prescriptions filled on line
too funnywe need some laughter here. the subject line of this thread just hit me. my doctor wants me to take two calicos, and call him in the morning. can you fill that scrip?
Re: Getting cat prescriptions filled on line
purebred, or will generic do? On 1/30/07, Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: too funnywe need some laughter here. the subject line of this thread just hit me. my doctor wants me to take two calicos, and call him in the morning. can you fill that scrip? -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Getting cat prescriptions filled on line
generic is fine.thank you Junior. (that is my pharmacist) - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Getting cat prescriptions filled on line purebred, or will generic do? On 1/30/07, Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: too funnywe need some laughter here. the subject line of this thread just hit me. my doctor wants me to take two calicos, and call him in the morning. can you fill that scrip? -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: fever question
Michelle, I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through. I've been keeping up with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't feel I have anything to add. What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely to have fever. Corticosteroids make the body *less* able to fight off infection...and I know that in people they don't do anything to lower fever - I just wondered how that works...? I have a lot of experience with those drugs, unfortunately, since I have asthma...and an unfortunately also very familiar with their side-effects. I worry about so much steroid overtime because although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a point where they cannot help but begin to acquire the side-effects. I'm not advising -- just generally wanting to understand. My thoughts, prayers, and love are with you both, elizabeth On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against her and she actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is not down in 15 minutes I will give her fluids. What I don't understand is why she got another high fever all of a sudden, after so long. She got more steroids today than she probably has ever gotten, so she should be less-- much less- prone to getting a fever today. Does this mean the fip is getting worse? Could it somehow be because her fluid got drained today? she is still on a mega-dose (toxo dosing) of clindamycin, so it should not be that she got an infection of any kind from that. depressed and concerned, Michelle
Re: fever question
At 07:11 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote: Steroids are anti inflammatories, the fever is called by inflammation ,,hence the steroids reduce fevers, swelling and inflammation. Kelly Michelle, I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through. I've been keeping up with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't feel I have anything to add. What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely to have fever. Corticosteroids make the body less able to fight off infection...and I know that in people they don't do anything to lower fever - I just wondered how that works...? I have a lot of experience with those drugs, unfortunately, since I have asthma...and an unfortunately also very familiar with their side-effects. I worry about so much steroid overtime because although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a point where they cannot help but begin to acquire the side-effects. I'm not advising -- just generally wanting to understand. My thoughts, prayers, and love are with you both, elizabeth On 1/30/07, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against her and she actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is not down in 15 minutes I will give her fluids. What I don't understand is why she got another high fever all of a sudden, after so long. She got more steroids today than she probably has ever gotten, so she should be less-- much less- prone to getting a fever today. Does this mean the fip is getting worse? Could it somehow be because her fluid got drained today? she is still on a mega-dose (toxo dosing) of clindamycin, so it should not be that she got an infection of any kind from that. depressed and concerned, Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/2007
Re: fever question
Respectfully, I am not convinced that all fever is caused by inflammation. Some of the worst fevers I've had were while on major doses of corticosteroids. elizabeth On 1/30/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:11 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote: Steroids are anti inflammatories, the fever is called by inflammation ,,hence the steroids reduce fevers, swelling and inflammation. Kelly Michelle, I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through. I've been keeping up with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't feel I have anything to add. What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely to have fever. Corticosteroids make the body *less* able to fight off infection...and I know that in people they don't do anything to lower fever - I just wondered how that works...? I have a lot of experience with those drugs, unfortunately, since I have asthma...and an unfortunately also very familiar with their side-effects. I worry about so much steroid overtime because although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a point where they cannot help but begin to acquire the side-effects. I'm not advising -- just generally wanting to understand. My thoughts, prayers, and love are with you both, elizabeth On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against her and she actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is not down in 15 minutes I will give her fluids. What I don't understand is why she got another high fever all of a sudden, after so long. She got more steroids today than she probably has ever gotten, so she should be less-- much less- prone to getting a fever today. Does this mean the fip is getting worse? Could it somehow be because her fluid got drained today? she is still on a mega-dose (toxo dosing) of clindamycin, so it should not be that she got an infection of any kind from that. depressed and concerned, Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/2007
Re: Lucy visualization
Yes and whenever I would show that photo to anyone while Bailey was still here, I would tell them thats the face of an angel! I know he picked that way and that photo to let me know he was OK because it is one of my favorites and I couldn't miss it as a sign. http://bemikitties.com/BeachPhotoBailey.jpg If you guys remember, when Belinda on the list lost Bailey-she sent us a photo of the sky with the cloud, just mimicking Bailey's face - now that's a connection that goes beyond what we can explain -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: fever question
I have severe asthma so I feel like I know a little bit about steroids. Steroids can reduce inflammation while not fighting fever- and at the same time leaving the body unable to properly fight off infection -- that was really my point in this. Long term steroid use can have devastating effects on a body...including osteoporosis, bruising, cataracts...dexamethasone gives me acid reflux so bad that it shoots up and burn the insides of my sinuses (TMI - sorry). Cushing's syndrome is terrible -- caused by long-term steroid use. NSAIDs work by a different mechanism on inflammation...their long-term side effects are quite different...and their effects to surpress fever are quite different. (one dose of aspirin or advil will send me straight to ER - believe me - they work differently) I am painfully aware of the necessary evil of steroids - I am living proof...being able to breathe is something I find to be pretty important...but I respectfully do not believe that steroids reduce fever. Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories (such as ibuprophen and aspirin and naproxin-sodium) do...but corticosteroids do not reduce fever and can, infact, leave the body more susceptible to conditions that cause fever. elizabeth On 1/30/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:32 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote: guess i gave too simple of an answer, the body reacts to a variety of assaults, Inflammation is one method as is fever..it is an immune response to anything from pollen, insect bites, bacteria etc,,,Steroids suppress the immune system, It is a complicated chain of events, regardless, when the immune system is suppressed it cannot respond in the normal manner of swelling/ inflammation. fever/ pruritis..etc,,,To some degree that is what you are doing when you take mortrin or Aspirin, In life threatening circumstances the danger of the immune response, be it a bad case of hives, or dangerous swelling that can impede breathing is far more dangerous that the underlying cause so saving the patient is far more important, the under tying cause if often never discovered, the risk of long term side effects is minuscule compared to the immediate risks. Asthmatics regularly take steroids, and after many years MAY develop side effects such as diabetes or weight gain, But without the steroids dying from an asthmatic attack is the real danger. People with Chrones disease owe their life to steroids as do pregnant women in pre term labor, Women are given betamethasone during the end of their pregnancy to help the fetus's lungs mature so if they are born early they can survive, Decadron ( a steroid) saved my son during a severe case of MONO as his throat was swelling so bad he could not breathe, I think people are too afraid of steroids, In a kitten or puppy you want to reduce the length of time on steroids as they are very young, but they are life saving. They work in auto immune diseases like a miracle, My cat with pemphigus and dog with auto immune hemolytic anemia owed their life to steroids, Kelly Respectfully, I am not convinced that all fever is caused by inflammation. Some of the worst fevers I've had were while on major doses of corticosteroids. elizabeth On 1/30/07, *Kelly L* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:11 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote: Steroids are anti inflammatories, the fever is called by inflammation ,,hence the steroids reduce fevers, swelling and inflammation. Kelly Michelle, I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through. I've been keeping up with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't feel I have anything to add. What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely to have fever. Corticosteroids make the body less able to fight off infection...and I know that in people they don't do anything to lower fever - I just wondered how that works...? I have a lot of experience with those drugs, unfortunately, since I have asthma...and an unfortunately also very familiar with their side-effects. I worry about so much steroid overtime because although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a point where they cannot help but begin to acquire the side-effects. I'm not advising -- just generally wanting to understand. My thoughts, prayers, and love are with you both, elizabeth On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, she now feels hot, not warm. I have two ice packs against her and she actually climbed on top of a third on her own. If it is not down in 15 minutes I will give her fluids. What I don't understand is why she got another high fever all of a sudden, after so long. She got more steroids today than she probably has ever gotten, so she should be less-- much less- prone to getting a fever today. Does this mean the fip is getting worse? Could it somehow be because her fluid got drained today? she is still on a mega-dose (toxo dosing) of clindamycin, so it should not be that she got an infection of any kind from that.
Re: fever question
let me clarify also -- i'm not saying that steroids are not important...just that they don't reduce fever. i think what prompted me to say that was Michelle saying that Lucy's fever was up and that she didn't think it should be in light of the steroids...i was just questioning that because i don't think steroids do anything to reduce fever. (all good thoughts and love to Lucy and Michelle) Speaking of TMI, severe asthma, and steroids...let me just happily say that this is day 31 nicotine-free for me after 30-something years of nicotine addiction. This is the most difficult thing I have ever had to do but I am wheeze-free and breathing like a champ with no steroids. hangin' tough in alabama, elizabeth On 1/30/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have severe asthma so I feel like I know a little bit about steroids. Steroids can reduce inflammation while not fighting fever- and at the same time leaving the body unable to properly fight off infection -- that was really my point in this. Long term steroid use can have devastating effects on a body...including osteoporosis, bruising, cataracts...dexamethasone gives me acid reflux so bad that it shoots up and burn the insides of my sinuses (TMI - sorry). Cushing's syndrome is terrible -- caused by long-term steroid use. NSAIDs work by a different mechanism on inflammation...their long-term side effects are quite different...and their effects to surpress fever are quite different. (one dose of aspirin or advil will send me straight to ER - believe me - they work differently) I am painfully aware of the necessary evil of steroids - I am living proof...being able to breathe is something I find to be pretty important...but I respectfully do not believe that steroids reduce fever. Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories (such as ibuprophen and aspirin and naproxin-sodium) do...but corticosteroids do not reduce fever and can, infact, leave the body more susceptible to conditions that cause fever. elizabeth On 1/30/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:32 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote: guess i gave too simple of an answer, the body reacts to a variety of assaults, Inflammation is one method as is fever..it is an immune response to anything from pollen, insect bites, bacteria etc,,,Steroids suppress the immune system, It is a complicated chain of events, regardless, when the immune system is suppressed it cannot respond in the normal manner of swelling/ inflammation. fever/ pruritis..etc,,,To some degree that is what you are doing when you take mortrin or Aspirin, In life threatening circumstances the danger of the immune response, be it a bad case of hives, or dangerous swelling that can impede breathing is far more dangerous that the underlying cause so saving the patient is far more important, the under tying cause if often never discovered, the risk of long term side effects is minuscule compared to the immediate risks. Asthmatics regularly take steroids, and after many years MAY develop side effects such as diabetes or weight gain, But without the steroids dying from an asthmatic attack is the real danger. People with Chrones disease owe their life to steroids as do pregnant women in pre term labor, Women are given betamethasone during the end of their pregnancy to help the fetus's lungs mature so if they are born early they can survive, Decadron ( a steroid) saved my son during a severe case of MONO as his throat was swelling so bad he could not breathe, I think people are too afraid of steroids, In a kitten or puppy you want to reduce the length of time on steroids as they are very young, but they are life saving. They work in auto immune diseases like a miracle, My cat with pemphigus and dog with auto immune hemolytic anemia owed their life to steroids, Kelly Respectfully, I am not convinced that all fever is caused by inflammation. Some of the worst fevers I've had were while on major doses of corticosteroids. elizabeth On 1/30/07, *Kelly L* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:11 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote: Steroids are anti inflammatories, the fever is called by inflammation ,,hence the steroids reduce fevers, swelling and inflammation. Kelly Michelle, I am so sorry for all you and Lucy are going through. I've been keeping up with the discussion but haven't responded since I don't feel I have anything to add. What I don't understand is how steroids would make her less likely to have fever. Corticosteroids make the body less able to fight off infection...and I know that in people they don't do anything to lower fever - I just wondered how that works...? I have a lot of experience with those drugs, unfortunately, since I have asthma...and an unfortunately also very familiar with their side-effects. I worry about so much steroid overtime because although cats can tolerate far more than dogs...there is still a point where they cannot help but begin to acquire the side-effects.
Re: over the one month hump! Congrats Elizabeth!
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Re: over the one month hump! Congrats Elizabeth!
High Five! That encouragement goes a long way, Phaewryn...I really appreciate it. I know you know first hand it's not for wimps ;-) Thanks! The kids are very glad to be smoke-free. They absolutely loved stealing my cigs and batting them under the frige. Phelix refused to have anything to do with me if I was smoking - he was very clear on that issue. Now they are all snugglemuffins :0) It feels good to be able to leave the house in the morning knowing that nothing is on fire LOL And good to know that the kids are breathing clean air and that I am doing right by them. On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to give you some kudos! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Chris and Mylo
Love and peace to you and Mylo. When my Buddy was terminal from cancer, the vet recommended I learn how to do sub-q fluids, so I could take him home and make him comfortable. He said that I would know when it was time to let him go, or even possibly he would leave me of his own accord before I had to make the decision. At any rate, he thought we'd have a few weeks at best. We had two good weeks together; Buddy took the fluids very well and was still eating, though not anywhere near his usual amount. I was giving him a combination of baby food and the tastiest wet cat food I could find. One day, he just stopped eating altogether and he barely moved from his position on the cat bed. I looked into his eyes and I knew it was time. I was so glad I had spent that time with him and was able to say goodbye. I feel so bad for you Chris, knowing what you are going through. Gina TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GLOW for you and mylo. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, i have to respect that, because as much as i don't want them to be gone, i do not want to force them to stay beyond their time to meet my needs. they have a much keener sense of the cycles of life than we do, and i have learned so much from sharing their journeys. MC On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy wrote: Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I've heard of assisted feeding and injections etc. Mylo needs so much more than that...chemo, blood transfusion, meds, ultrasounds, etc. Yet, he will probably only live 4 more months if successful. I feel that would be putting him through more stress. He hangs on to me whenever we go to the vet. To hospitalize him again and put him back on meds (he hated that), would break my heart. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:54 -0500 Peace to both Mylo and you Chris, I will be sending peaceful thoughts of passage and happiness to Mylo! Phaewryn You are aware that you can assist/force feed, right, or even have a feeding tube inserted? And that a combination Dex/Depo injection has given cats JUST as sick as Milo is now several happy and comfortable week to months more time, right? http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://ucat.us/DDlymphomacocktail.html _ Don't waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.
