Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sources forproducts?
It is made by Carrington Labs and was being marketed by VPL, but it is no longer on their website and a search shows their contract with Carrington Labs expired in April. I am going to call Carrington Labs in the morning and see if they have another distributor, I sure hope it is still available. It comes in a box containing four 10 mg containers. The last time my vet ordered it, it was $225, that was his cost. The protocol is 2 mg/KG IP, weekly for 6 weeks and then monthly. The monthly shots can be given sub-q. For those unfamiliar with what IP means, it means through the wall of the abdomen. The instructions say you must use it within 4 hours of mixing it, but the vet who was the technical assistance person for VPL told me any leftover would keep fine in the fridge for a week and for a month in the freezer. Gary -- From: "Alice Flowers" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:06 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sources forproducts? Could you describe what the Acemannan (sp?) is and how it's used? Also what are good sources for this and also pettinic? Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sources for products?
Could you describe what the Acemannan (sp?) is and how it's used? Also what are good sources for this and also pettinic? Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
Alice I understand how stressful this is for all of you. Here is a link to a site that helps explain test results Broadway Vet BW Explanations http://tinyurl.com/2ex549 Just click on the item and open the pdf file. For example it says moderately elevated HCT could possibly be a sign of dehydration. After fighting anemia with a CRF kitty and several FeLV kitties I understand your frustration. I didn't get alarmed until the HCT fell below 20%. I did use supplements like NutriVed, Super B Complex. B12 and folic acid to help them build new red blood cells. I rescued a litter of 4 positive 4 week old kittens and lost all 4 of them. Mattie who was blind made it the longest to about 16 months. I had adopted 2 positive kittens from a nearby rescue group and lost them after just a few months to FIP. I had earlier rescued 2 positive kittens, about 4 month old. I only have Rocket left. She is just over 3 now and is starting to show signs of the disease. The heartbreak doesn't get any easier. The thought that keeps me going is they had a good life for as long as they were on this earth. They were loved and cared for. So many wonderful kitties don't even have that and they aren't FeLV kitties. We do what we can with the resources we have. And we treasure each day we have these wonderful companions. Hugs top Murphy and all of you Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/24/10, Alice Flowers wrote: > From: Alice Flowers > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 7:02 PM > Terry-thank you for keeping Murphy in > your thoughts. He has consistently tested > negative for Hemotropic Mycoplasmas. His Absolute > Reticulocyte count is now > 35200. Both Murphy and Rosie have been on LTCI injections > since last September. > We began treatment before any symptoms appeared and their > HCT levels were in the > high 30s, low 40s. I just got the faxes on their blood > tests. Murphy's HCT is > 22.3, Rosie's is 46.5. I am thinking of giving them another > injection tomorrow, > the last one was June 27-it will be 28 days-but the other > thing is, should I do > both cats or just Murphy? Is there such a thing as having a > too high HCT level > (like Rosie's 46.5)? Just watching my Murphy sleep > and hurting because we can't > stop this train wreck. Alice > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
Yes, I forgot about PetTinic. I've never had to use it with my FeLV's, but I have an otherwise healthy girl, SassiCat, who periodically gets anemic and PetTinic clears it up. Terry Natalie wrote: = I've used PetTinic for anemia - works well. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more I had success reversing anemia in two FeLV positive kittens using Acemannan. I can't say it works every time in every situation, but it worked for me on those two. Gary -- From: "Alice Flowers" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:24 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more > Murphy has been sneezing-We took Murphy and Rosie in yesterday for check > ups and > blood work. They did an in house PCV on him because his gums were pale. He > is > anemic at 18.5%. This is the beginning of the end. I had hoped that after > losing > Rosie's 4 brothers last year that we would get a reprieve. I had hoped > that the > vet's rough rule of 1/3 would apply to us since we began with 6. We had > Rosie > and her 5 brothers-and Murphy, the friendly kitten that was tossed into > the > feral colony that we caught Rosie and the boys from after trapping and > neutering > their mother-1/3 of kitties would succumb quickly, 1/3 would die young and > 1/3 > generally live fairly uneventful lives for quite a while. Murphy is > becoming > lethargic at times, sometimes stretching out and sleeping on the floor-not > his > usual pose-he is my eagle, if he isn't on the computer desk next to > me-curled up > in an envelope box (any box will do-he has even tried to squeeze into a > box > barely big enough for his head-LOL)-he is asleep in the spare room-on top > of the > bookcase! He has a talent of springing from the floor and landing in a box > on > top of a 4' cabinet without touching the edges-he is like a little > antelope with > his springy legs. Murphy is the king of cats-I have never been owned by > such an > awesome kitty. He is beautiful with his fluffy, tuxedo coat, huge eyes and > even > huger paws-he has 7 toes on his front feet and 6 on the backs. He can snag > a cat > toy tossed at him like in mid-air like a baseball player and can even pick > up > things using the extra toes like fingers. I cannot believe this is > happening > again. We have begun Procrit, iron supplement and Doxy for the > sneezing/cold > thing he has going on-his lungs are clear, but a little wheezing in his > throat > area. Wish us luck-I am so sad right now and keep tearing up. I can't take > much > more of this disease, so much loss for all of us. Alice and Glenn > (humans), > Rosie and Murphy-furkids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
Hi Alice, What I like about LTCI is it enhances the immune system as opposed to alot of medicines which "overpower" the disease, with possible side effects. I don't see any practical way to "overdose" LTCI. I give monthly LTCI shots to my healthy FeLV/FIV positives. I'd probably go to once a week for a few weeks if they were showing symptoms like Murphy. If I understand the dosing schedule, the initial period is a "build up" and the monthly is maintenance. But if a cat gets ill, especially an FeLV positive, their immune systems could use the extra "help". If Rosie's blood work hasn't changed, I wouldn't think she would need the boost, but if she is having any symptoms, it couldn't hurt. I'd probably do it, but I believe in aggressively addressing any sign of symptoms in my Felv/FIV positives. Terry Alice Flowers wrote: = Terry-thank you for keeping Murphy in your thoughts. He has consistently tested negative for Hemotropic Mycoplasmas. His Absolute Reticulocyte count is now 35200. Both Murphy and Rosie have been on LTCI injections since last September. We began treatment before any symptoms appeared and their HCT levels were in the high 30s, low 40s. I just got the faxes on their blood tests. Murphy's HCT is 22.3, Rosie's is 46.5. I am thinking of giving them another injection tomorrow, the last one was June 27-it will be 28 days-but the other thing is, should I do both cats or just Murphy? Is there such a thing as having a too high HCT level (like Rosie's 46.5)? Just watching my Murphy sleep and hurting because we can't stop this train wreck. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
I've used PetTinic for anemia - works well. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more I had success reversing anemia in two FeLV positive kittens using Acemannan. I can't say it works every time in every situation, but it worked for me on those two. Gary -- From: "Alice Flowers" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:24 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more > Murphy has been sneezing-We took Murphy and Rosie in yesterday for check > ups and > blood work. They did an in house PCV on him because his gums were pale. He > is > anemic at 18.5%. This is the beginning of the end. I had hoped that after > losing > Rosie's 4 brothers last year that we would get a reprieve. I had hoped > that the > vet's rough rule of 1/3 would apply to us since we began with 6. We had > Rosie > and her 5 brothers-and Murphy, the friendly kitten that was tossed into > the > feral colony that we caught Rosie and the boys from after trapping and > neutering > their mother-1/3 of kitties would succumb quickly, 1/3 would die young and > 1/3 > generally live fairly uneventful lives for quite a while. Murphy is > becoming > lethargic at times, sometimes stretching out and sleeping on the floor-not > his > usual pose-he is my eagle, if he isn't on the computer desk next to > me-curled up > in an envelope box (any box will do-he has even tried to squeeze into a > box > barely big enough for his head-LOL)-he is asleep in the spare room-on top > of the > bookcase! He has a talent of springing from the floor and landing in a box > on > top of a 4' cabinet without touching the edges-he is like a little > antelope with > his springy legs. Murphy is the king of cats-I have never been owned by > such an > awesome kitty. He is beautiful with his fluffy, tuxedo coat, huge eyes and > even > huger paws-he has 7 toes on his front feet and 6 on the backs. He can snag > a cat > toy tossed at him like in mid-air like a baseball player and can even pick > up > things using the extra toes like fingers. I cannot believe this is > happening > again. We have begun Procrit, iron supplement and Doxy for the > sneezing/cold > thing he has going on-his lungs are clear, but a little wheezing in his > throat > area. Wish us luck-I am so sad right now and keep tearing up. I can't take > much > more of this disease, so much loss for all of us. Alice and Glenn > (humans), > Rosie and Murphy-furkids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
Terry-thank you for keeping Murphy in your thoughts. He has consistently tested negative for Hemotropic Mycoplasmas. His Absolute Reticulocyte count is now 35200. Both Murphy and Rosie have been on LTCI injections since last September. We began treatment before any symptoms appeared and their HCT levels were in the high 30s, low 40s. I just got the faxes on their blood tests. Murphy's HCT is 22.3, Rosie's is 46.5. I am thinking of giving them another injection tomorrow, the last one was June 27-it will be 28 days-but the other thing is, should I do both cats or just Murphy? Is there such a thing as having a too high HCT level (like Rosie's 46.5)? Just watching my Murphy sleep and hurting because we can't stop this train wreck. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
Mega-vibes for Murphy and hugs to you, Alice and Glenn. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more Murphy has been sneezing-We took Murphy and Rosie in yesterday for check ups and blood work. They did an in house PCV on him because his gums were pale. He is anemic at 18.5%. This is the beginning of the end. I had hoped that after losing Rosie's 4 brothers last year that we would get a reprieve. I had hoped that the vet's rough rule of 1/3 would apply to us since we began with 6. We had Rosie and her 5 brothers-and Murphy, the friendly kitten that was tossed into the feral colony that we caught Rosie and the boys from after trapping and neutering their mother-1/3 of kitties would succumb quickly, 1/3 would die young and 1/3 generally live fairly uneventful lives for quite a while. Murphy is becoming lethargic at times, sometimes stretching out and sleeping on the floor-not his usual pose-he is my eagle, if he isn't on the computer desk next to me-curled up in an envelope box (any box will do-he has even tried to squeeze into a box barely big enough for his head-LOL)-he is asleep in the spare room-on top of the bookcase! He has a talent of springing from the floor and landing in a box on top of a 4' cabinet without touching the edges-he is like a little antelope with his springy legs. Murphy is the king of cats-I have never been owned by such an awesome kitty. He is beautiful with his fluffy, tuxedo coat, huge eyes and even huger paws-he has 7 toes on his front feet and 6 on the backs. He can snag a cat toy tossed at him like in mid-air like a baseball player and can even pick up things using the extra toes like fingers. I cannot believe this is happening again. We have begun Procrit, iron supplement and Doxy for the sneezing/cold thing he has going on-his lungs are clear, but a little wheezing in his throat area. Wish us luck-I am so sad right now and keep tearing up. I can't take much more of this disease, so much loss for all of us. Alice and Glenn (humans), Rosie and Murphy-furkids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
I had success reversing anemia in two FeLV positive kittens using Acemannan. I can't say it works every time in every situation, but it worked for me on those two. Gary -- From: "Alice Flowers" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:24 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more Murphy has been sneezing-We took Murphy and Rosie in yesterday for check ups and blood work. They did an in house PCV on him because his gums were pale. He is anemic at 18.5%. This is the beginning of the end. I had hoped that after losing Rosie's 4 brothers last year that we would get a reprieve. I had hoped that the vet's rough rule of 1/3 would apply to us since we began with 6. We had Rosie and her 5 brothers-and Murphy, the friendly kitten that was tossed into the feral colony that we caught Rosie and the boys from after trapping and neutering their mother-1/3 of kitties would succumb quickly, 1/3 would die young and 1/3 generally live fairly uneventful lives for quite a while. Murphy is becoming lethargic at times, sometimes stretching out and sleeping on the floor-not his usual pose-he is my eagle, if he isn't on the computer desk next to me-curled up in an envelope box (any box will do-he has even tried to squeeze into a box barely big enough for his head-LOL)-he is asleep in the spare room-on top of the bookcase! He has a talent of springing from the floor and landing in a box on top of a 4' cabinet without touching the edges-he is like a little antelope with his springy legs. Murphy is the king of cats-I have never been owned by such an awesome kitty. He is beautiful with his fluffy, tuxedo coat, huge eyes and even huger paws-he has 7 toes on his front feet and 6 on the backs. He can snag a cat toy tossed at him like in mid-air like a baseball player and can even pick up things using the extra toes like fingers. I cannot believe this is happening again. We have begun Procrit, iron supplement and Doxy for the sneezing/cold thing he has going on-his lungs are clear, but a little wheezing in his throat area. Wish us luck-I am so sad right now and keep tearing up. I can't take much more of this disease, so much loss for all of us. Alice and Glenn (humans), Rosie and Murphy-furkids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
Oh Alice my heart is sad right along with you.My thoughts and prayers are with you all. Sherry Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Alice Flowers Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:24:16 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more Murphy has been sneezing-We took Murphy and Rosie in yesterday for check ups and blood work. They did an in house PCV on him because his gums were pale. He is anemic at 18.5%. This is the beginning of the end. I had hoped that after losing Rosie's 4 brothers last year that we would get a reprieve. I had hoped that the vet's rough rule of 1/3 would apply to us since we began with 6. We had Rosie and her 5 brothers-and Murphy, the friendly kitten that was tossed into the feral colony that we caught Rosie and the boys from after trapping and neutering their mother-1/3 of kitties would succumb quickly, 1/3 would die young and 1/3 generally live fairly uneventful lives for quite a while. Murphy is becoming lethargic at times, sometimes stretching out and sleeping on the floor-not his usual pose-he is my eagle, if he isn't on the computer desk next to me-curled up in an envelope box (any box will do-he has even tried to squeeze into a box barely big enough for his head-LOL)-he is asleep in the spare room-on top of the bookcase! He has a talent of springing from the floor and landing in a box on top of a 4' cabinet without touching the edges-he is like a little antelope with his springy legs. Murphy is the king of cats-I have never been owned by such an awesome kitty. He is beautiful with his fluffy, tuxedo coat, huge eyes and even huger paws-he has 7 toes on his front feet and 6 on the backs. He can snag a cat toy tossed at him like in mid-air like a baseball player and can even pick up things using the extra toes like fingers. I cannot believe this is happening again. We have begun Procrit, iron supplement and Doxy for the sneezing/cold thing he has going on-his lungs are clear, but a little wheezing in his throat area. Wish us luck-I am so sad right now and keep tearing up. I can't take much more of this disease, so much loss for all of us. Alice and Glenn (humans), Rosie and Murphy-furkids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
Murphy has been sneezing-We took Murphy and Rosie in yesterday for check ups and blood work. They did an in house PCV on him because his gums were pale. He is anemic at 18.5%. This is the beginning of the end. I had hoped that after losing Rosie's 4 brothers last year that we would get a reprieve. I had hoped that the vet's rough rule of 1/3 would apply to us since we began with 6. We had Rosie and her 5 brothers-and Murphy, the friendly kitten that was tossed into the feral colony that we caught Rosie and the boys from after trapping and neutering their mother-1/3 of kitties would succumb quickly, 1/3 would die young and 1/3 generally live fairly uneventful lives for quite a while. Murphy is becoming lethargic at times, sometimes stretching out and sleeping on the floor-not his usual pose-he is my eagle, if he isn't on the computer desk next to me-curled up in an envelope box (any box will do-he has even tried to squeeze into a box barely big enough for his head-LOL)-he is asleep in the spare room-on top of the bookcase! He has a talent of springing from the floor and landing in a box on top of a 4' cabinet without touching the edges-he is like a little antelope with his springy legs. Murphy is the king of cats-I have never been owned by such an awesome kitty. He is beautiful with his fluffy, tuxedo coat, huge eyes and even huger paws-he has 7 toes on his front feet and 6 on the backs. He can snag a cat toy tossed at him like in mid-air like a baseball player and can even pick up things using the extra toes like fingers. I cannot believe this is happening again. We have begun Procrit, iron supplement and Doxy for the sneezing/cold thing he has going on-his lungs are clear, but a little wheezing in his throat area. Wish us luck-I am so sad right now and keep tearing up. I can't take much more of this disease, so much loss for all of us. Alice and Glenn (humans), Rosie and Murphy-furkids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
I thought about this too but I always thought arthritis was painful. I've had Wolfie for 6 years and while I know cats don't typically show pain, I'm pretty sure this one would let it be known. I'll definitely bring this up with my vet as well, though, in case I'm missing something. Thanks! Amy --- On Fri, 7/23/10, Chris wrote: > From: Chris > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 10:57 PM > Amy--am afraid I haven't been > following all the details of the various tests > & suggestions and I know it sounds stupid, but is there > any chance Wolfie > developed very bad early onset arthritis? > > Christiane Biagi > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
The potassium was fine at the last vet visit when he was checked for the leg weakness (about 4 weeks ago). I don't think they checked blood pressure. I'm hesitant to keep taking him in over and over for blood work as he has had non-regenerative anemia for almost a year now. --- On Fri, 7/23/10, Belinda Sauro wrote: > From: Belinda Sauro > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:58 PM > What is the kitties > potassium and blood pressure? > > -- Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > http://BelindaSauro.com > http://HostDesign4U.com > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
