Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
One of the best odor removers is Dawn dishwashing detergent. You won't believe it til you try it. I always clean with that first and then spray with a urine/enzyme product. You can use a triple threat with dawn, baking soda and vinegar but I find the most effective combo is the dawn and the enzyme product. OUT that is sold at Tractor Supply is reasonably priced and I find it to be very effective after using the Dawn. From: Mary Lou jerseydevil1...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:13 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] urine odors How about vinegar. When we have a problem child, I pour 1/2 gal vinegar to 4 bath towels and 1 gal to a spread and wash on heavy cycle. Works every time. ML ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Probiotics?
I use and used yogurt a lot with my crew. I had two kittens, age 4 weeks exposed to a cat with feline leukemia. The FeLV cat groomed them and shared dishes with them. The kittens never developed FeLV. I am NOT saying the yogurt was a factor. It most likely was genetics, luck or God that saved my kittens. However, I know from reading a lot on human nutrition that the immune system begins in the gut. I do think that having a good bioflora in the gut is not a bad thing. Will it save your cat? I doubt it. Will it help? I don't know. Will it hurt? No. and it doesn't cost much. Does it affect the immune system favorably? Most likely. --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: From: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Probiotics? To: Felv Talk List felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 1:51 PM I was looking up probiotics for a couple of my negatives who have chronic GI problems and read on the Winn Foundation blog that they may also be beneficial for the immune system in general. Has anyone had good results using these? I think I remember someone mentioning Fortiflora on here, any recs on this or other ones? Tofu is not having any problems, but if I put the others on this I am tempted to do so with her as well. It sounds like it couldn't hurt. -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm Article
I use Revolution and one good thing about it is that it is also the best product I have used for fleas on my cats. Now, I have not tried it on dogs and am not going to because my vet says his clients have had poor results with dogs but excellent with cats. I like it better than Advantage or Frontline. Now, I live in South Georgia and I am convinced our fleas are bionic. LOL Frontline and Advantage are an aphrodisiac to the fleas on my property.. :) Revolution would solve your heartworm and flea problem. --- On Fri, 4/17/09, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com wrote: From: James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm Article To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 11:39 AM Hi all, there is an article on feline heartworm in the June 2009 CatFancy magazine. It seems that wherever dogs can get heartworm, cats (including indoor cats, as someone here posted) can get it. The incidence is much higher in warmer states, but one of the vets quoted in the article says she believes it is spreading. Interesting article. It doesn't make me want to run out and get heartworm preventative for my cats, but it is something I will definitely discuss with my vet at our next visit. Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stray
I second Lorrie's advice. I now have a mama with 3 kittensthat were unusually large when born. My vet said that as long as they weren't crying for more than a few minutes, they were well-fed. I suggest some plain yogurt and kitten food for the mother. --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 5:04 PM If the babies are fat, and healthy looking and not crying. They are fine. Hungry kittens will cry, and if these kittens were born April 1st, they will keep mom cat drained of milk as fast as she makes it. Lorrie On 04-16, sheila...@aol.com wrote: Hello all . I haven't posted in a while but have been reading everyday. All of my positives are healthy and happy, but on April fools day I had a stray cat come to my front door . I brought her in fed her and two hours later she gave birth to three beautiful healthy kittens. When I was petting the momma this morning I rubbed her stomach and it feels like she has no milk in her breast. The kittens are fat little butterballs and are not crying from hunger. Is this normal or should I be concerned. My vet is closed on Thursday and the next vet is fifty miles away. I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to be a nervous nelly if the babies are just drinking the milk as fast as she makes it. Sheila in SC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?
One of my cats got feline heartworm. This was five years ago. My cat is on Revolution all year now. The cat was ill for weeks. Heartworm is more difficult and less successful to treat than in dogs. My vet called a bunch of universities and got some kind of experimental cocktail that he had a local pharmacist put together. My cat pulled through. He was ill nearly 3 months and then seriously underweight for a year (but still felt good) and on the thin side for the next 4 years. He eventually gained a normal amount of weight. Due to the heroic efforts of my vet and a good bit of money, he pulled through. If you live in an area with lots of mosquitoes, you might want to seriously think abou this. --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com wrote: From: Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:41 PM Dear all, Just received this from my vet's clinic. My first instinct is no, but I would welcome your thoughts on the necessity for all-year-round Revolution? Thanks! Kerry M. Feline Heartworm Update: Dear Pet Owner, April 2009 A new study from Auburn University has indicated that heartworm disease in cats is a far bigger issue than previously thought. Cats can get heartworm infection through the simple bite of an infected mosquito. Studies have shown: Indoor cats are just as susceptible to infection when mosquitoes enter our home. Once bitten, immature heartworms are transmitted and the heartworm lifecycle begins. The larval worms then start their journey through the body, ultimately affecting the heart, blood vessels and lungs. A cat's body is designed to respond and kill foreign invaders, including heartworm larvae before they develop into adults. As the cat's body responds, the intense inflammatory reaction causes severe damage to the lung tissue. This disease state is clinically recognized as Heartworm Associated Respiratory Disease or H.A.R.D. Once this damage to the lung tissue occurs, it is not reversible and there is no treatment to remove the adult heartworms from a cat. With this new information we are now recommending ALL CATS be put on Revolution year round. Revolution is a broad spectrum parasiticide that in addition to preventing heartworm also prevents intestinal parasites, ear mites and fleas. Please contact us if you would like to discuss prevention for your cat. Sincerely, The Doctors and Staff at Roscoe Village Animal Hospital ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?
One of my cats got feline heartworm. This was five years ago. My cat is on Revolution all year now. The cat was ill for weeks. Heartworm is more difficult and less successful to treat than in dogs. My vet called a bunch of universities and got some kind of experimental cocktail that he had a local pharmacist put together. My cat pulled through. He was ill nearly 3 months and then seriously underweight for a year (but still felt good) and on the thin side for the next 4 years. He eventually gained a normal amount of weight. Due to the heroic efforts of my vet and a good bit of money, he pulled through. If you live in an area with lots of mosquitoes, you might want to seriously think abou this. --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com wrote: From: Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:41 PM Dear all, Just received this from my vet's clinic. My first instinct is no, but I would welcome your thoughts on the necessity for all-year-round Revolution? Thanks! Kerry M. Feline Heartworm Update: Dear Pet Owner, April 2009 A new study from Auburn University has indicated that heartworm disease in cats is a far bigger issue than previously thought. Cats can get heartworm infection through the simple bite of an infected mosquito. Studies have shown: Indoor cats are just as susceptible to infection when mosquitoes enter our home. Once bitten, immature heartworms are transmitted and the heartworm lifecycle begins. The larval worms then start their journey through the body, ultimately affecting the heart, blood vessels and lungs. A cat's body is designed to respond and kill foreign invaders, including heartworm larvae before they develop into adults. As the cat's body responds, the intense inflammatory reaction causes severe damage to the lung tissue. This disease state is clinically recognized as Heartworm Associated Respiratory Disease or H.A.R.D. Once this damage to the lung tissue occurs, it is not reversible and there is no treatment to remove the adult heartworms from a cat. With this new information we are now recommending ALL CATS be put on Revolution year round. Revolution is a broad spectrum parasiticide that in addition to preventing heartworm also prevents intestinal parasites, ear mites and fleas. Please contact us if you would like to discuss prevention for your cat. Sincerely, The Doctors and Staff at Roscoe Village Animal Hospital ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm?
I also want to add, my cat was entirely an indoor cat. --- On Wed, 4/15/09, Lewis Faye dcp...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Lewis Faye dcp...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:02 AM One of my cats got feline heartworm. This was five years ago. My cat is on Revolution all year now. The cat was ill for weeks. Heartworm is more difficult and less successful to treat than in dogs. My vet called a bunch of universities and got some kind of experimental cocktail that he had a local pharmacist put together. My cat pulled through. He was ill nearly 3 months and then seriously underweight for a year (but still felt good) and on the thin side for the next 4 years. He eventually gained a normal amount of weight. Due to the heroic efforts of my vet and a good bit of money, he pulled through. If you live in an area with lots of mosquitoes, you might want to seriously think abou this. --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com wrote: From: Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Heartworm? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 12:41 PM Dear all, Just received this from my vet's clinic. My first instinct is no, but I would welcome your thoughts on the necessity for all-year-round Revolution? Thanks! Kerry M. Feline Heartworm Update: Dear Pet Owner, April 2009 A new study from Auburn University has indicated that heartworm disease in cats is a far bigger issue than previously thought. Cats can get heartworm infection through the simple bite of an infected mosquito. Studies have shown: Indoor cats are just as susceptible to infection when mosquitoes enter our home. Once bitten, immature heartworms are transmitted and the heartworm lifecycle begins. The larval worms then start their journey through the body, ultimately affecting the heart, blood vessels and lungs. A cat's body is designed to respond and kill foreign invaders, including heartworm larvae before they develop into adults. As the cat's body responds, the intense inflammatory reaction causes severe damage to the lung tissue. This disease state is clinically recognized as Heartworm Associated Respiratory Disease or H.A.R.D. Once this damage to the lung tissue occurs, it is not reversible and there is no treatment to remove the adult heartworms from a cat. With this new information we are now recommending ALL CATS be put on Revolution year round. Revolution is a broad spectrum parasiticide that in addition to preventing heartworm also prevents intestinal parasites, ear mites and fleas. Please contact us if you would like to discuss prevention for your cat. Sincerely, The Doctors and Staff at Roscoe Village Animal Hospital ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: OT - Looking for inexpensive scratching post
My cats love, of all things, concrete blocks. They scratch on them. They sit on them. They fight over them. LOL You can get them at Home Depot for a couple of bucks. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are a number of places on-line with instructions for making your own; phaewyrn has a place she bought hers from that she swears by, but they are NOT inexpensive. i have a great recommendation for a place that sells on ebay, called armarkat (they have two or three authorized dealers as well.) they have multiple listings all the time, and essentially you pay almost nothing for the furniture, but pay for shipping instead--the closer you are to the west coast, the less you pay. a friend got a tree for $.99, with $15 shipping on their website directly, you pay discount prices, with no shipping--but if you watch ebay, you can do much better. the recommendation i have is from a high-volume bengal rescue--and anyone who knows bengals know that they are a HIGH-ENERGY breed anything that can stand up to multiple bengals has to be pretty solid this rescue has three of the armarkat trees. there's a 72 one i have my eye on for one of these days. the shipping alone will run me $80, but i've seen the tree go on ebay for as little as $10, and compared to other trees of its size and layout, that's about 1/3 of what it'd be anywhere else. MC On 2/16/07, Marylyn wrote: Try making one with a 4x4 (not treated) of whatever length you want. Glue burlap and sisal rope to it to cover the wood. Ebony loved it. The 4x4 was long enough he could really stretch. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: OT - Looking for inexpensive scratching post Hi guys, I am looking for some inexpensive scratching posts. My guys destroy my scratching posts within a month at most, and they are like $30 at PetSmart. Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: OT: Chocolate cat needs a name
Mr. Goodbar, Cacao, Cocoa, Coffee, Latte, Mocha, Reese, Snickers, Butterfinger, MM, Heath, Nestle, Whitman, Godiva, Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Beth, Do you think this kitty may be a Havana Brown breed? Maybe a play on Havana, or Cuba, or Cuba Gooding Jr, or any one of the characters played by CB Jr, or...??? If he's just a chocolate brown cat, then how about: Brach, Bosco, Cadbury, Guylian, Hershey, Lindt...? Kat (Mew Jersey) On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Gussies mom wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:09:30 -0800 (PST) From: Gussies mom Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Chocolate cat needs a name I volunteer with a rescue that has taken in cats from a hoarding case. Some have tested FeLV+. One of the cats that tested negative and is awaiting a retest is a cocoa colored cat. He is all brown. I have never seen a cat like this in person. Anyway, his name was Reuben and we are searching for a better name. The possibilitties so far are Cocoa, Chocolate Boy, and Whitman, none of which I care for. If anyone can think of a name for a chocolate colored cat, can you please let me know. You can email me off list if you want. And please keep your fingers crossed he retests negative. Beth - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Parasite makes men dumb, women sexy
JUST GIMMEE SOME! NOW!!! Barbara Oberst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got 9 litter boxes for you to choose from! LOL. Come over any time--I'll do aything to get out of scooping them! :-) Jasmine Cat Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow... so, what's the cure for it in humans anyways? Just curious if I might have had it when I was younger, but took something that killed it since... in which case, I'm going to start eating infected cat poo to re-infect myself! Anybody got an infected cat I can borrow some poo from? LOL! Maybe I can market this on ebay Newest female sexual-dysfunction cure! Studies show that this new technology can increase a women's attractiveness to the opposite sex! Who doesn't want to be more outgoing, friendly, have an increased sexuality? Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is proud to present the female community with Toxofelipoo, sure to turn even the most wrinkled up prune into a SEX KITTEN! Meow! Then in small print at the bottom: Men should not handle Toxofelipoo, as it may lead to the lowering of the IQ, or can in some cases lead to psychological and intellectual disorders Possible side effects in women are disorders of the unborn fetus, pregnant women or women with lowered immune systems should not take Toxofelipoo. In rare cases, death has occurred, if you experience death at any time while taking Toxofelipoo, you should discontinue treatment and seek a mortuary. j/k... LMAO! Phaewryn A common parasite can increase a women's attractiveness to the opposite sex but also make men more stupid, an Australian researcher says. On the other hand, infected women tend to be more outgoing, friendly, more promiscuous, and are considered more attractive to men compared with non-infected controls. In short, it can make men behave like alley cats and women behave like sex kittens. Barbara Hervey Oberst __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: help-removing carpet due to kitty urine
I agree with Sheila. I had the same problem with actual hardwood. With multiple pets, tile is one of the better options. The problem is you must always clean up immediately. My previous dog withliver issues urinated on a cat toy. I didn't see the accident and had not idea it was there. The urine molded in a few days and ruined those planks. It was awful. I have heard many dreadful tales about laminate flooring and pets. People love it when it is new but when the accidents begin, look out for serious trouble. If you must go with a wood type thing, look into bamboo flooring. I have no experience with this but it has been recommended on other pet boards I visit. I have no idea of the cost but I suspect it isn't cheap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I replaced the carpet in my hallway and living room two years ago with very expensive wood laminate and I have been miserable ever since. It looks great when you first put it down, but you can't let the kitties pee on it or mop it with soap and water. If the kitties do have an accident you have to get it up (immediately) with a damp mop. If they make a mess during the night or when you are away from home and can't get to it right away you are gonna have big problems. I had to mop mine with soap and bleach to feel like it was clean and sanitary and now I have a big mess the seams have buckled and the laminate is peeling a part. I hate to admit it but your hubby is right. I have done a lot of research and it looks like tile is the best solution for us pet lovers. Sheila New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.
Re: a little help with litter training the new cat
My kitties that had recurrent litter box problems had recurrent tapeworm problems. To this day, they will miss the boxwhen they get tapes. Fortunately, they haven't hadtapes in quite a while.A tablespoon of pumpkin (canned raw pumpkin, not pie filler which has sugar and spices that you don't want) can help some cats with recurrent problems.Kefir or yougurt is another aid that occasionally works. Definitely feed fiber (pumpkin or a food with high fiber content). Of course good litter box hygiene and experiment with different litters. I like2 litter boxes to every 3 cats some groups may require more but his works well for my crew. I do let my cats outside to go to the bathroom as well. I have two females that will not use a used box. Even if the box is used only once. Multiple boxes is necessary and two cleanings daily are a necessary minimum for my bunch.IBD is actually quite rare. Missed litter boxes is more likely to be caused from other causes. A good vet workup does not hurt but don't rush into an IBD diagnosis. I know folks that spent a lot of time with that diagnosis only to have the problem instantlysolved with pumpkin.Hope some of this helps. Good luck. Been there and know the frustration but take heart, the problems can be overcome. Patricia Lamoretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Sounds like a possible case of IBD. Cats will typically go outside the box because there's discomfort ... kinda like a urinary problem. Has Yodel been tested for parasites (just starting with basics)? You may want to change the food. Try a higher protein, human grade, canned food. Stay away from the kibble and if that doesn't work ... see a vet, I guess ... Unless someone has another suggestion? You can also go onto Feline IBD sites/groups/message boardsand post there about your problem. Good Luck -- PAT JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I know this was the best place to ask about cat questions, so here goes...I just brought a new feluk postive 6 month old cat (Yodel-lay-he-hoo, yodel for short) to our apartment, we have a feluk postive 6 month old cat (papoose) now and three dogs. Yodel seems not to like to poo in the litter box, but will poo in the bath tub and also on top of my husbands coat on the kitchen table (wow was he not happy about that, since he didnt even want the first cat)...our set up at first when we brought him home to our one bedroom apartment was, yodel in the bathroom with his own litter pan and papoose had the rest of the place with his own litter pan. Yodel pooed in the tub, the cat behavorist at the shelter thought he liked the feeling of the tub and suggested we take out some of the litter, so we did, and well that didn't help, but we didnt find poo in the tub, but we didnt see any in the litterpan and well couldnt find any presents in the bathroom. We gave him more run of the house and (that may have not been the best choice but he was meowing up a storm in the bathroom!) we thought we were going ok for a little some poo in the litter box which is located in a crate with a small opening for the cats to go in and out of, but the dogs that love to eat poo can not get to it (just our luck dogs that love to eat cat poo). The other night he pooed on my husbands coat. I am going to introduce another litter box in the crate, but we unfortunately can not place a bunch all over the place because of our dogs. Any suggestions , we are going to try different litter and hopefully try to get a litter pan that the dogs cant get into...thank you oh and papoose seems to like to beat up yodel and hold him down and then lick him furiously and then beat him up again..is that odd? (i just feel bad for the new cat, cause he is such a lover and he hates the dogs and papoose is a bully to him) Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.
Re: Hartz Tropical Flea Tick Products for Cats
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Re: What kind of Worms in feces?
If you have a single flea, your cat can get tapeworms from it. Tape segments are white, 1/4-1/2 inch long when still moving. After they have dried, they look like grains of rice. They are notorious for NOT showing up in fecal samples. I had 3 cats with them in their stools and an hour later, all three showed clear on their fecals. The vet said that tapes are bad about not showing up when tested. Droncit clears them up.Steph E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cheif/TeeCee has worms in his feces, lots and lots of them. They're about 1/4 - 1/2" logn and are swimming around in his diarhea. I'm giong to call my vet tomorrow, but any idea what htis might be?When we did bloodwork this week on his annual checkup his liver enzymes were a tad high... But, otherwise he got a clean bill of health from teh vet.Steph Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
Re: Cat shampoo to recommend...
Tropiclean also makes a spray on shampoo for flea dermatitis that is really a great product. It leaves their coats fluffy, white and clean smelling. It also heals those nasty flea sores too.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talk alot. It calms them id you talk to the soothingly while you bathe them. Give lots of reassurance.I don't deal with mats here much, and I usually comb them out BEFORE any bath, because once you get mats wet, they get tighter, and more difficult to remove. I do however have a favorite shampoo, It's made by TropiClean, it's their Aloe Moist shampoo. They have a phone number: 1-800-542-7387 It's made right here in the USA in Missouri, it's natural, environmentally safe, and NOT tested on animals. It smells GREAT, and in fact, I have used it myself a few times (on my hair). They make a whole line of products, and they all smell good, but I really like the Aloe Moist one, because my cats tend towards dry skin, and this really works good to get the dander out, and keep them moist. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals
Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis past spring because it was urinating in their newhome in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be very pleasant to be around. I catchmyself wishing bad things on them when I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not muchchance of it becoming illegal.:)Wendy__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals
Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
I really think my kitty needs to be an only kitty in a household and there isn't much I can do about that. Placing cats in these parts is impossible because every cat lover has at least 3 more than they already need.Plus, I adore her and don't want to give her away. I clean boxes twice a day. Plus, they have the option to go outside which most of them prefer. I have read all the books and done everything I know. She gets along with the other cats in that she doesn't get into fights and gets her share of the food. She just doesn't want to use a box they have used.No matter how clean it is. The litter does not matter. I can't find a place to put a box where she is the only cat that will use it. She does the best she can and I do the bestI can. I don't think she is horribly stressed out as much as just particular. She'sa very cheerful cat.BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommed Patricia McConnell's book "The Fastidious Feline". She is ananimal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio.http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.phpBooniewww.elephants.com- Original Message -From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pmSubject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habitsTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant... Wendy --- Lewis Faye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved" cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much chance of it becoming illegal.:) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
Unless I separated her from the other cats at night would that be possible. That wouldn't be fair because she likes to sleep with her brothers.She goes outside every morning and evening and will actually go then. Then about 4 a.m., she goes again in the house, outside the box. She is only a year old. She has been vet checked.I have another kitty (her sister)that isn't too bright. I really think she had some kind of oxygen deprivation at birthbecause everything was hard for her to learn. She was the last to litterbox train but after constant retraining, she finally mastered the concept. She never misses now. The one that misses, learned the concept early but just ignores it. She is the only catthat I have owned in my life that did this. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might help. Our geriatric kitty, Julie (mylittle brother named her 16 years ago), will not go tothe bathroom unless we open the door for her to go. Nevermind the fact that right in front of her there isa kitty door that leads to the kitties' bathroom (it'sa room inside our garage we built for the litter boxesthat you have to go through to get to the garage;works great!). She doesn't want to go through thekitty door. It's so funny. She will tell us whenshe's ready to go. Maybe you could build your kitty alittle bathroom or put her box in a bathroom or someother room where no one else can use the box and takeher in the mornings and evenings and before you go tobed. You never know. She might catch on.;)Wendy--- Lewis Faye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I really think my kitty needs to be an only kitty in a household and there isn't much I can do about that. Placing cats in these parts is impossible because every cat lover has at least 3 more than they already need. Plus, I adore her and don't want to give her away. I clean boxes twice a day. Plus, they have the option to go outside which most of them prefer. I have read all the books and done everything I know. She gets along with the other cats in that she doesn't get into fights and gets her share of the food. She just doesn't want to use a box they have used. No matter how clean it is. The litter does not matter. I can't find a place to put a box where she is the only cat that will use it. She does the best she can and I do the best I can. I don't think she is horribly stressed out as much as just particular. She's a very cheerful cat. BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I recommed Patricia McConnell's book "The Fastidious Feline". She is an animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio. http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php Boonie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: wendy Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant... Wendy--- Lewis Faye wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box.She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved" cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about i
Re: Conflict on being vegan
I was vegetarian for about 6 years and it just amazed me at how many people would monitor my eating habits. I wouldn't make an issue of it and I was flexible that if I was at a party or something I would eat whatever was served--with or without meat. Let me go to a restaurant with a group and bear in mind, I never called attention to the fact that I don't eat meat, my order would literally hijack the conversation. You would think I sprouted 2 heads or something. I do not know why what other people eat or don't eat bothers some people to the extent that it does.wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question: why in the world would anyone takeoffense to the personal choice of being a vegan? Especially to the point of kicking a vegan out of agroup? I don't understand this concept. I couldfathom a group of vegans not wanting a non-vegan intheir cyber group, but the other way around? Cansomeone fill me in on why this would be? Justcurious. Thanks. I have no problem with what anyoneis doing as long as it isn't hurting anyone oranything, and being vegan does not qualify.__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens
Don't panic. Ringworm is a very common fungi in the environment.Most of us and our pets come into contact with it every day and do not become infected. Most outbreaks are due to immune system issues. There is a more than reasonable chance that no human will get the ringworm from your cats. I had a horse with a terrible case of it years ago and no human or pet got it from him. I would see your vet and start there. It can be stubborn in some animals but it can be overcome.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if I have it.. I have some red spots its sort of stings and itchy--- is it RW? Its encouraging to know that most of your kitties did not get it. What spray did you use on you? What is Difulcan is it over the counter drug? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:29 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens My most recent kitten Mystery had ringworm, without my knowledge and I brought her in my house of 10 cats, 1 dog and my sonmy FeLV+ cat is the only one that caught it and of course I did also...it is really bad, I used an antibactial spray three days on and 1 day off for 3 weeks and that helped, with me I took Difulcan and used rubbing alcohol on the wounds, it was not fun ;-([EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system. I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling them. BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference in the world. Have a purrfect day Cherie Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC
I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got anirrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at onepoint...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of thespiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation inAustralia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to "step on them"anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic,yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a greatstory my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his daddiscovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of "disposing" ofit, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to "study"its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on endabsolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and mygrandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had donesomething to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone nearthe spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt wasonly compounded...Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of "Why?" :)"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge- Original Message -From: TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 amSubject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory! i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playingwith a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get closeenough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to appear, i make a deal with them--if they do NOT crawl over me, nor drop down in front of me on their silk, they get to live indoors with me! they, of course, don't seem to realize that even if they do, i'm not really gonna do anything (see above)--or perhaps they're just humoring me. i always loved the, "they're more afraid of you than you are of them" line: well,i've never seen one of them run screaming from ME! i'm a LOT better now that i used to be--i no longer leave the house when i know there are any in the house, nor jump off of/out of moving vehicles when i see one (did in a bike that way once)--nor do i keep track of their every movement in the house! hee hee had a friend in bangor, ME who called the cops once to get them to come get a big spider out of his house. needless to say, they did NOT respond -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC
LOL. Well do bear in mind, that none of my crew can actually be fired for not doing their job. They have a ton of job security and I do have several that take advantage of that. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you mean like my purrsians? you know, stuffed-cats-who-purr?On 10/5/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Your cats sure work for their living! And get plenty of exercise too. They would not be impressed by my bunch of couch potatoes--cute adorable, yes; interested in gainful employment, n. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC Cats do kill roaches but in the south, that is not always enough. Cats are not just a love of mine; they are a necessity. I have to have barn cats. I cannot exist without them because they eliminate the mice from the barn which can cause disease for my horses and feed various poisonous snakes that I also do not want around my horses. My land is surrounded by snakes but I don't have them on my property. My crew do an excellent job. No pest control can begin to do what my cats do so safely and lovingly. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. That's very interesting--esp about the spider! I have a Q tho---do cats kill roaches?? I have had one roach (abt a month ago)--it was actually dead when I found it in my hallway, so I didn't freak out. D'you think it could have been one of my cats that killed it? (I have never seen them kill an insect--they just play with it, then get bored and walk away). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis Faye Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../MC I love spiders. When I was in graduate school, my apartment was overrun with palmetto bugs which I absolutely hate. One day a large spider moved into my room and the roaches disappeared. The spider would drag the bodies of the roaches to the drain in my bathtub and I could just rinse them down. Eventually, no bugs. Pest control came. Killed the spider. The next day, the bugs were back. Found another spider. Bugs disappeared. Pest control came and bugs were back If I didn't have cats, I would have geckos and spiders as my exterminators. But then I have always been weird Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't agree with you more on the spider issue!! I've also got an irrational fear of them...I wanted to visit Australia at one point...until my boss (an Australian) told me about the size of the spiders they've got over there...that killed any plans to vacation in Australia any time soon...And I can't bring myself to "step on them" anymore after I killed a black widow spider here at the office. Ironic, yes, but I felt so bad for days after doing the deed...there is a great story my dad told me about his dad...back when my dad was a kid, his dad discovered a black widow in the back yard...instead of "disposing" of it, he set up a stool next to the web and grabbed a notebook to "study" its movements...he probably watched that spider for hours on end absolutely fascinated by it! One day, the spider was gone and my grandfather immediately went to my dad thinking that he had done something to it (my grandfather was *so* upset! Dad hadn't gone near the spider, however)! Anyway, after hearing that story, my guilt was only compounded... Anyhoo, I'd like to add fire ants to the list of "Why?" :) "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:48 am Subject: Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs. as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminatethem, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory! i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playingwith a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--p
Re: Gracie is at peace now
Nina, I have been reading about your struggles with Gracie and so sorry that you lost this precious baby. She was so lucky to have you She really, truly was. She isn't far away from you. I believe this with all my heart. She will always be with you. My prayers are with you. God Bless. FayeNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Mary Christine, and thank you to everyone that has been there with us throughout our journey together. Your support has meant the world to us. Grace is free now. She was more than ready to go, she was anxious to go. She knew two days ago, I knew yesterday. Thankfully she didn't seem to suffer too much in her last days, just very tired, very ready. I'm glad it was our beloved Dr. Ortega that helped her across. She never left my touch and I spoke to her the whole time. It was gentle and peaceful, Dr. Ortega was kind and considerate, just like we knew she would be. There was no trouble finding a vein in her back leg. Blessings to those who know what they are doing. She even purred when we entered the exam room. She had been pulling away from me these last couple of days. That may have been the hardest aspect of her passing, that while she was still here she was already breaking the ties that held her to this world. I began mourning her two days ago when I knew she would never again jump gaily in my lap. Never again be my "heart warmer". I was asking her to let me warm her heart now, let me get her heart chakra spinning, as she'd done for me so many times. I thought that was never to be again. When we sat peacefully waiting for the doctor and the gurney, she gave me the most wonderful gift. She stretched herself out on her back in my arms and luxuriated in my scratching her neck and her chest. I am so grateful that she chose to be my heart warmer one more time, that she came back to me before she had to finally leave her wonderful little body behind. Bruce and I have just buried her in one of her favorite spots, a spot that she would sit and watch and listen and nap for hours. It was so hard to let go of her perfect little body for the last time. Because, you see, it was perfect. I told her that all the time. That she was perfect, just the way she was. I wouldn't change a thing about knowing her and loving her. She has been an incredible joy in my life and she always will be.The first time we almost lost her she was only 5 mos old. Gracie has trusted me to decide what was best for her, she has been my willing partner in trying to find a way to help her stay. It was time to trust her, she knew what was best. We were partners, we were friends, she was my girl and she welcomed me as her mommy without fur. I thank her for her gifts to me and for the lessons we learned together.Much love,NinaTenHouseCats wrote:oh, nina--i'm so sorry. this is the first time i've had the computer up in morethan a day--glorious thunderstorms all day yesterday, so i believethat grace is at the bridge as i write this.all GLOW to her to find her way safely, and to heal your heart...i really liked the illusion of a great heart being able to break timeand time again, and still have room to love again. someone said oncethat the pain we feel when they leave is their little claws diggingtheir permanent, forever place in our hearts.i've done things every way there is--holding on too long for ME,rather than for them (i don't do that anymore, tho it's "easier" inways to do so), having the vet come to the house (my preferred waywhen the cat needs my help to cross), rushing a kitty to the emergencyvet at 4 in the morning when they are clearly suffering, holding theirpaw as they consciously let go, holding them in my arms, against myheart, even after their spirits are long gone but they haven't quitebeen able to leave their bodies behind; i've begged them to let go andgo home, i've begged the universe to let them stay with me, i'vewanted to scream to the vet, "no! what if i'm wrong, what if it's notreally time?," i've gone to get the valium to help them relax only toreturn to find they'd gone on without me; i've held them in my armswhen that's what they seemed to want, and let them be alone whenthat's what they wanted--tho that is the HARDEST for me, to respecttheir need to transition in their own space; i've done mouth-to-snoutresuscitationi have learned to listen to them, knowing that they are much wiserabout the cycles of life than i will ever be. i make sure they knowhow much i love them, that i will ALWAYS love them, i thank them forsharing their lives with me, and i tell them they are free to go whenit is time. i ask them to tell me if they need my help; i talk to themabout their kittenhoods, and how much fun we've had together, and how,at the bridge, they will have young healthy bodies again and can doall the things the current body can't do any longer... . i DO believethat euthanasia is often the final gift that we can give them inreturn for all they have given us--the most profound thing i've everbeen
Re: laser toy
While I have never used the laser, my mother had the same concerns about my cat track with the ping pong ball in the track that the cat chases. My mother felt so bad about them being frustratedthat she would take the ball out and give it to the cats. THAT depressed them. I am serious.They wereobviously disappointed. They wanted the ball back in the track. They knew it was a game. I seriously think cats are smart enough to know a game when they see it and most cats love a good game. I use cat teasers tooand catching the thing is never as fun as the chase. One of my cats will bring a teaser to me to make it "move." They know a game. I really believe this."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad someone mentioned the laser toy--I do use it occasionally becauseit's the one thing that never fails to get my 2 quarantined cats moving.But the reason I only use it occasionally is that I worry about thefrustration element-they think there's something to catch but they cannever succeed. Ditto those cat videos showing birds etc, with all thesound effects. I used to play them, but worried about the cats becomingdepressed. I'd love to hear other opinions. Is there any reliable infoout there on how chasing intangible objects affects cats? If I thoughtthey were really ok, I'd use them more often. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Bandy and supplementsI would be cautious in using laser pointers as toys -I know they love it and I bring mine out a coupletimes a year, but it can make some kitties go a littlenuts. One of the clinic cats where I take my boyslost it after having played with the laser toy andkept looking for the red dot to the point she wasattacking other kitties. No more lasers and she wason meds for a while but is OK now. Just something tokeep in mind!--- maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: My alternative vet recommends transfer factor and MacroForce for boosting the immune system. The active ingredient in Macro Force is available in other brands. This just happens to be the easiest to get in my area of the country. She also uses laser (as has me use a regular laser pointer) on various points on the cat's body. It acts sort of like acupuncture. You would have to get someone to show you the points or try to figure it out from the internet. Keep the light out of the eyes. But enjoy running the light in circles around the cat. Mine love to chase the little red dot they can't catch. For $20 it is a wonderful toy even if you can't figure the alternative med stuff out. It stimulates their interest and gives them exercise that has to help their morale. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Bandy and supplements I do not think that any supplements will help with the anemia directly unless it is iron anemia, which is very rare in cats and probably is not the case with him. I would put him on 500 mg per day of Lysine, split into two doses, and a multi-vitamin supplement (like Pet Tinic, which does have iron) and maybe switch on and off between echinacea and astragalus every week. I would mix them into baby food twice per day in small doses and let him eat them. People also rave about Transfer Factor, which I have not tried yet, so maybe that as well. I would start with one at a time so if he does not want to eat the baby food you will know which supplement he does not like. MichelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merelyliving his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous__Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Click here to donate
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nutrical is probably the best choice, since it's made for cats. I hadn't heard about giving cats honey, I know there's a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for Bramble,NinaJenn wrote: Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No new ideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my throat feel better sometimes, and it will get a little sugar in his system, so he wont crash from low blood sugar. I've had cats survive on very little force fed Nutri-Cal gel. If you have to force feed, and it hurts him, get some of the most potent stuff you can, so you can do as little as possible, and get as much nutrition in him as you can. Jenn Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: thoughts Adri is dead
I can understand your pain. They aren't "just cats" to most of us on this board. I do believe they have souls and will be waiting for us one day. I wish I knew something that could take away the pain but I do not. My prayers are with you.Martha Alejandra Moreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you.Since I am new in town I do knowmany people here. Your words and support mean a lot for me. I have been thinking very "weir" things: Do you think animals have soul? do they move to another place? how we knowif they don't just disappear? You know? I could help notice that I never have cry for the people that have diein other countries in the war,starving in Africa, accidents, etc I mean I feel very sorry and I think it is awfull; butI never have cryed for them as I have cried for Adri. Adri is just a cat. Is it wrong? Alejandra From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Adri is deadDate: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:53:51 EDTI am so sorry I know exactly how you feel. I am going through the same thingwith my Buck, but he is still holding on. I think he really wants to go bewith his brother. Give Chemalots of love. I'll be praying for you.Sheila Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
Re: Laying tile was: ot- flooring for pee club members
Was the tile cutter difficult to use?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You go girl! :) We laid ceramic tile in our kitchen...wasn't that hardat all! Be sure to rent a tile cutter...makes the job a heck of aloteasier! And keep the cement-adhesive well mixed so you can spread iteasily (I used a mixer attachment specifically for mixing adhesive andgrout...it just attaches to a regular power drill)...I would mix theadhesive every 5 minutes or so to keep the adhesive pliable...anddefinitely be sure to seal the grout once it's dry (I just picked up asealer at Home Depot...it's worked well to prevent stains from settinginto the grout...although we also picked a dark grey grout to hide animperfections... :) ).Good luck!Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorgeI'm pretty handy around the house love do it yourself project. I've been reading up on laying tile and it doesn't seem all that hard. I think I'll give it a try. It might take my mind off Spanky.Staying busy all ways helps me. I'll let you know how it turns out. Sheila __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Please add Snowball to CLS Belinda
Kerry, I am so sorry!!! I am behind in my emails and have seen that you have been through some trying times. My prayers are with you. My heart breaks for you. God speed Snowball. FayeKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been a painfulday. I lost my gentle giant Snowball this afternoon. I never expected that. He was breathing rapidly when I got home from the clinic. I thought at first he was stressed because of losing his girlfriend Flavia. I couldn't take the risk, tho, so I rushed him to the clinic. His lungs were full of fluid. Only 25 per cent was not full and even that was compromised. I discussed it with the same vet I saw this morning. I couldn't risk him dying while I was gone, and that seemed a very real possibility. Snowball was the biggest cat, a flamepoint, but he wouldn't hurt a soul. He was terribly timid. He stopped playing a couple of months ago, butI thought it was a lazy phase, because he had been pretty lazy before. The other little ones would enjoy batting him when he was below them on the tree. He never batted them back. he was too gentle. He knew he could squash them if he wanted too, but he didn't want to hurt them. I'm in shock for Snowball, and I guess Flavia, tho she has been so ill, and I need to process it. Please send prayers for my remaining Mickey and Momcat. They are going to be feeling very down and scared, and I'm scared they'll stop eating. I haven't read your replies yet because I just got back, and I have to leave in 30 mins, and I haven't finished packing. But there were lots--I'm so grateful. I'll read them when I get back. love and hugs to all Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda I'm sorry, Kerry. If herPCV plummeted that fast, she probably either had a bleed somewhere or was killing off her own red blood cells (hemolytic anemia). That is what they told me with Simon when he went from 16 to 8 overnight. Michelle Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items.
Re: heartworm for cats
If a cat gets a single worm which frequently happens with cats (more so than with dogs) then the test will not show anything. My vet believes Magellan had either a single heartworm or another parasite in his lung last August. My vet successfully treated it but I thought I was going to lose Magellan. There was a U. Fla study in mid florida that found that 15% of all stray feral cats had feline heartworm. My vet, at this time, does not recommend preventatives. My cat that got it was entirely a house cat. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erika, Thank you for the info. I'm going to the vet tomorrow so I'm going to ask about it. I'm in the south, and although my cats don't go outside, mosquitoes occasionally get inside, and heartworm in dogs is a HUGE problem here. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya,I didn't know there was a heartworm test either! They did a blood test that will take from 1-7 days (I guess they run 2 tests on it). There was an article in our paper that heartworm is particularly bad this year, and since he came in from outside, we wanted to be sure. It was marked in his records as "heartworm test antigen." Hope that helps?ErikaAlso, I didn't realize they could do heartworm tests on cats? I thought they could just give preventative, but there was not a test? __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: AC - cats marking
On some cats, squirt bottles are nothing but challenges (I have a couple). I use one of those large UZI type water guns that kids play with. It will soak the cat instead of spray. Also, don't let them see you do it. Make them them think that the action is causing the water and not you that way, they won't do it when you aren't around either. I trained a cat to leave my bird alone using this method and he lived 10 years harmoniously with my birds."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's hilarious! What a cutie--he deservedto have that chicken! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:20 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: AC - cats marking If the squirt bottle doesn't work...use a soft-light-weight foam ball and wing it at him. (I know it sound aweful to throw anything at your animal...which is why I said only a soft foam ball that can't possible hurt them. It will distract without injuringyou can always soak it in lemon juice, but ONLY use it DRY. The lemon smell will be on the ball- cats don't like citrus and it will further help to reinforce the experience as an unpleasant one without causing lasting damage. (We tried squirt bottles to keep Quintapus off the counter tops to no avail. When he was a kitten-adolescent, Mom got so frustrated one evening when he hopped up to help himself to chicken that she was cooking for dinner that she turned the kitchen sink hose/rinser on himhe just LEANED into it shut his eyes started purring!..we were laughing so hard we were crying. So we had to come up with an alternative. The nerf ball worked better for us, but only AFTER we soaked and dryed the lemon juice to it.) T"Kathleen A. Berard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get a squirt bottle, put it on squirt rather than spray. If you catchhim in the act (and only if you catch him, can't discipline afterwards,timing is crucial), squirt him in the body (never the face) with thewater. Cats don't like water. If you get the timing right, he will cometo associate the squirt with spraying and hopefully stop. Discover Yahoo!Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online more. Check it out! Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: This is what the vet said...
When my cat tested positive, they tested with the IFA the same day. Of course, my cat was dreadfully ill. With my negative cats that were exposed, they had me have tests every 90 days for a year. Then I moved to every six months for a year. I am due now for another test and if it is neg, I will go to once a year.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never heard of having to wait 30 days, but yes there are some cats that can "throw it off" it depends if Tom was born with it or contracted it and then was tested right after, one of my cats supposedly had it in his bone marrow, and they could tell that because of the number of platlets he had, (I am not sure if I am relaying this correctly). Hope in some off handed way this helped. Cherie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got back from the vet with Tom... You all know so much, tell me what you think about what he said. Tom originally tested + on last Friday, but I read an article that they should have a retest right away with a different type of test (IFA, since Tom had a ELISA snap test). The vet said that no, we cannot retest until 30 days, but then if it is negative, all that means is that it may have moved to his marrow. I was hoping to hear that some cats fight it off. I think I read that too. So all we really did was rabies/distemper and a heartworm test. Does all this sound right? There is another vet in the same office that is more specialized with cats, but he was in surgery today.Thanks for any tips!Erika Tom When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you. Have a purrfect day Cherie __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Admin: Gentle reminder
For those of you interested in subjects related to pets covered and not covered on this board, please feel free to visit a board that I host for Beliefnet. You can go to Beliefnet.com and click on discussions at the top of the page and then pets or, hopefully, you can click here: http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/discussion_list.asp?boardID=39615 All are welcome!! I would love to see your there. Faye (Appy20, Beliefnet Volunteer Pets Board Host)"James G. Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all,I've received some private complaints about our list starting to drift from its mission of late. While a certain amount of activism and off-topic (OT) posting is allowed (and appreciated), the focus of our main topic is getting a bit drowned out. This is a high-volume list anyway, so too much OT posting makes it harder for folks in need to get advice and assistance. There are many activism/rescue lists that are more appropriate for extended conversations on such topics, so maybe pointing folks to those lists would help alleviate some of the congestion here. If you have any questions/comments about this, please feel free to contact me privately. Take care, and best wishes to all.James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.felineleukemia.org__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: AC-Simba
I am trying this. I appreciate the good thoughts.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep us posted with Simba Again, I will continue with the meditation until he is found but I hope you will too, as it will be the most powerful coming from you than me - and I hope people on the list will help mediate for Simba, too. You imagine a golden coil, coming from your hear center, reaching into the world Searching and probing for missing Simba. Latch onto him like a magnet and guiding him safely home to Lewis. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: AC-Simba I will never stop looking for him I am afraid. He was a feral cat but he was, of all my cats, the most devoted to me. He isn't people friendly but I do believe he loved his family. I don't think he ever would have run off if it hadn't been for those dogs. I will look into consulting with Kat. I haven't had time to check that out yet.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you planning to consult with Kat on Simba? I hope you will it might give you a good clue as to how to find him I will be also praying that you and Simba will be re-united very soon. I have been re-united with a cat who had been missing months in the past dont give up he needs you to continue to look for him. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:54 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: AC-Simba I did read the article. It made some great points. There are several problems. The reason I didn't chase after him that day is because I couldn't climb the cliff and it was fenced off and posted to boot. The posting is a major problem. The thing is people in this area rarely post keep out signs. It makes me wonder if the owners are operating a meth lab which is currently in epidemic in our rural area. It is a new development but we have had 2 houses explode within the last 6 months. On this land, nearest house is well off the road past the signs. In our part of the world, people are very friendly and don't get bent out of shape with their neighbors chasing a cat onto their land but these same folks don't post signs either. Plus, the land is fenced with barb wire and very thick with brush. The cat I sawmight not be him. There was an orange tabby cat run over on that same street. I stopped by that dead body every day for 2 weeks and examined every hair on the body. It wasn't Simba but I couldn't get it out of my mind that it was and had to keep reassuring myself. I see a red or orange tabby and I think Simba. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Faye,Did you read the article posted about methods of finding lost animals based on their personalities? Why don't you set a humane trap in the area you spotted him? If you don't own a trap, you can usually rent them from feed stores, or get a rescue in your area that cares about ferals to help. Write to me off list if you want some suggestions about effectively setting the trap. I know how hard the 'not knowing' is. I would trust your instincts on this, do you think he's still alive? Even if that wasn't Simba you spotted, somebody's out there that could use your help. You spotted that cat for a reason. Let me know what you decide to do.NinaLewis Faye wrote: Nina, the cat I saw was thin and looked like he had lost weight recently. Simba is a good hunter and there is plenty of mice, rats, and voles for him to eat and he does eat them. I wish I could have had a couple of more minutes to look at him to make sure. I was so stunned at seeing him in that place, that my mind wasn't at its best. */Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Oh Faye, he's such a handsome man! I'm so sorry to hear Simba is still missing. He must be being fed by someone, if that was him. Have you done all the things that Gloria and her pals did in searching for Sam? Even if you have, it might be worth starting over. If someone has been feeding him, I'm sure they don't know that he has been missed all this time. I hope that was him, and that he'll finally be reunited with you somehow and soon. Nina Lewis Faye wrote: Would you please do a reading for my baby, Simba? I lost him months ago and a few weeks ago, I thought I saw him. However, he climbed an incline that I could not climb and took off before I could verify that it was him. It may not have been him. However when I called his name, he stopped and looked at me. However, I could not look at him long enough to really tell for 100%. He was probably chased out of my yard by stray dogs. The dogs have been destroyed. They were vicious dogs. Here is his picture: http://images.snapfish.com/343%3B2%3C%3A%3B23232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E233%3A%3D937%3D32%3A%3DXROQDF%3E23236%3A94699%3A2ot1lsi Thank you, Faye *//* __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired o
RE: AC-Simba
Thank you! You are very kind.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lewis, I know you addressed this to Kat but I wanted to write to you with the meditation which may work to find Simba I have used it before myself and it worked like a miracle please try to meditate several times a day - this was recommended by Dr. Ryan, she is an instructor of ACs she said that it has been effective for many people and you will be reunited with missing animals in most amazing way. You imagine a golden coil, coming from your heart center reaching into the world, Searching and probing for missing Simba. Latch onto him like a magnet, guiding him safely home. I will also meditate for Simba until he is found. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:19 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: AC-Simba Would you please do a reading for my baby, Simba? I lost him months ago and a few weeks ago, I thought I saw him. However, he climbed an incline that I could not climb and took off before I could verify that it was him. It may not have been him. However when I called his name, he stopped and looked at me. However, I could not look at him long enough to really tell for 100%. He was probably chased out of my yard by stray dogs. The dogs have been destroyed. They were vicious dogs. Here is his picture: http://images.snapfish.com/343%3B2%3C%3A%3B23232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E233%3A%3D937%3D32%3A%3DXROQDF%3E23236%3A94699%3A2ot1lsi Thank you, Faye"Kathleen A. Berard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Animals that have crossed over are just as present to us as they are in their physical reality. There is sometimes a shift in energy, their personality still comes through but they may have a higher perspective or spiritual message for you that helps you move through life more easily. Here are some example questions that I offer to clients, although they are welcome to ask anything they like as well as give me messages to relay to the animal. 1) What did you like most about your life? 2) What did you like least? 3) What was your lifes purpose? 4) What would you like to tell me? 5) What frustrated you? 6) What can I learn from you? 7) How did you feel about the other animals/people in our home? 8) Have we had a past life together, or been together before in this lifetime? 9) What were you teaching me in our time together? 10) What can you tell me to help me deal with my sadness at losing your physical presence? 11) What can I do to make life better for the animals that are still with me? To talk with animals, get prepared as I described in another email (Animal Communication) pick a quiet time, light a candle, then sit down and write out or type out your questions and what comes back. Be patient with yourself and the process, it does take some practice but I have no doubt you can talk with her. Writing or typing it puts you into a receptive mode, where you get out of that left brain thinking and just learn to flow with the energy coming to you and that you send out. I believe it also lets the animal know that you are serious and committed to understanding them better by taking the time to write or type it out. I think youll be surprised at the information you receive, that you DO receive information. Its just like talking with a person; you can write out the questions and receive messages in your mind, or you can ask her out loud and receive the messages, whatever feels most comfortable to you. Kat Kathleen A. Berard,Animal Communicator, Vibrational Essences Practitioner and Holistic Care Consultant KATALYST FOR ANIMAL WHOLENESS, INC. www.katberard.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL ME TO RECEIVE A COMPLIMENTARY SUBSCRIPTION TO THE MONTHLY KATS JOURNAL NEWSLETTER! "If you don't know what your passion is, realize that one reason for your existence on Earth is to find it." Oprah -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: What is channeled writing/how does communication work? Kat, I am interested in contacting a cat whom passed in January of this year, is this possible? Cherie __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
Re: AC-Simba
Nina, the cat I saw was thin and looked like he had lost weight recently.Simba is a good hunter and there is plenty of mice, rats, and voles for him to eat and he does eat them. I wish I could have had a couple of more minutes to look at him to make sure. I was so stunned at seeing him in that place, that my mind wasn't at its best. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Faye, he's such a handsome man! I'm so sorry to hear Simba is still missing. He must be being fed by someone, if that was him. Have you done all the things that Gloria and her pals did in searching for Sam? Even if you have, it might be worth starting over. If someone has been feeding him, I'm sure they don't know that he has been missed all this time. I hope that was him, and that he'll finally be reunited with you somehow and soon.NinaLewis Faye wrote: Would you please do a reading for my baby, Simba? I lost him months ago and a few weeks ago, I thought I saw him. However, he climbed an incline that I could not climb and took off before I could verify that it was him. It may not have been him. However when I called his name, he stopped and looked at me. However, I could not look at him long enough to really tell for 100%. He was probably chased out of my yard by stray dogs. The dogs have been destroyed. They were vicious dogs. Here is his picture: http://images.snapfish.com/343%3B2%3C%3A%3B23232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E233%3A%3D937%3D32%3A%3DXROQDF%3E23236%3A94699%3A2ot1lsi Thank you, Faye *//*__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: need prayers please!
I am praying hard for your babies. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Kerry it just makes me mad that if his original owner was responsible enough, he wouldnt have to live on street like he has been, and he may not have gotten FIV. He was not even neutered I probably should have taken him in several months ago when I first saw him, then, he might not have gotten FIV either thats my only regret poor baby Carl I hope he gains his weight back very soon. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:21 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: need prayers please! Oh, Hideyo, I'm praying Corky is now on the road to recovery and will be home really really soon. And I'm praying Carl's result is negative. Sounds like he's home already. What a lucky kitty, finding you. Already his life has improved a million-fold! Thanks for all that you do for these little honeys. (I think of you, and then I think of that awful feral-hating woman who calls herself a vicar...it's an upside-down world) love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:09 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: need prayers please! One of my 4 year old babies, a mutt doggy, Corky (mix of Scottie, Westie and Schnauzer) all of sudden started having bloody stools early this morning or I should say, there really was no stools, just tons and tons of dark red bloods coming out like a flood so much came out that I almost fainted I never seen so much blood at one place she has also thrown up I took her to her the emergency clinic getting some IV and antibiotics she bleeded there also. After some testing, they narrowed it down to a couple of things and they are hoping that fluid therapy and the antibiotics will treat her - please pray for Corks recovery a poor baby, she is very scared there, she is never out of the house and I really want to be able to bring her home soon! Also, last Saturday, I rescued a boy kitty who I had been feeding for several months now. I noticed that he lost lots of weight (I hadnt seen him for a couple of weeks) and I took him to the vet everything seems to be OK except that on ELISA, he tested positive on FIV now I am having Cornell Lab to do the western blot (as I had a couple of cats who tested positive on FIV via ELISA, and ended up negative later) anyway, now I have to figure out where to place him he must have belonged to someone a long time ago, as he is very friendly and used to people. I talked to Carl (I named him Carl) via AC Carl told my AC that he used to be an indoor kitty when she was a kitten, and somehow he became an outdoor kitty, and somehow, then he did not have a home anywhere I asked via AC, if he would like to stay with me and to be an indoor kitty, he said he would like that very much I hope his lost weight is just a temporary, and I am so praying that the western blot will come back as negative please also pray for Carls well-being, he is such a sweet baby, and he has had a rough life since he had lost home Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out!
AC-Simba
Would you please do a reading for my baby, Simba? I lost him months ago and a few weeks ago, I thought I saw him. However, he climbed an incline that I could not climb and took off before I could verify that it was him. It may not have been him. However when I called his name, he stopped and looked at me. However, I could not look at him long enough to really tell for 100%. He was probably chased out of my yard by stray dogs. The dogs have been destroyed. They were vicious dogs. Here is his picture: http://images.snapfish.com/343%3B2%3C%3A%3B23232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E233%3A%3D937%3D32%3A%3DXROQDF%3E23236%3A94699%3A2ot1lsi Thank you, Faye"Kathleen A. Berard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Animals that have crossed over are just as present to us as they are in their physical reality. There is sometimes a shift in energy, their personality still comes through but they may have a higher perspective or spiritual message for you that helps you move through life more easily. Here are some example questions that I offer to clients, although they are welcome to ask anything they like as well as give me messages to relay to the animal. 1) What did you like most about your life? 2) What did you like least? 3) What was your lifes purpose? 4) What would you like to tell me? 5) What frustrated you? 6) What can I learn from you? 7) How did you feel about the other animals/people in our home? 8) Have we had a past life together, or been together before in this lifetime? 9) What were you teaching me in our time together? 10) What can you tell me to help me deal with my sadness at losing your physical presence? 11) What can I do to make life better for the animals that are still with me? To talk with animals, get prepared as I described in another email (Animal Communication) pick a quiet time, light a candle, then sit down and write out or type out your questions and what comes back. Be patient with yourself and the process, it does take some practice but I have no doubt you can talk with her. Writing or typing it puts you into a receptive mode, where you get out of that left brain thinking and just learn to flow with the energy coming to you and that you send out. I believe it also lets the animal know that you are serious and committed to understanding them better by taking the time to write or type it out. I think youll be surprised at the information you receive, that you DO receive information. Its just like talking with a person; you can write out the questions and receive messages in your mind, or you can ask her out loud and receive the messages, whatever feels most comfortable to you. Kat Kathleen A. Berard,Animal Communicator, Vibrational Essences Practitioner and Holistic Care Consultant KATALYST FOR ANIMAL WHOLENESS, INC. www.katberard.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL ME TO RECEIVE A COMPLIMENTARY SUBSCRIPTION TO THE MONTHLY KATS JOURNAL NEWSLETTER! "If you don't know what your passion is, realize that one reason for your existence on Earth is to find it." Oprah -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: What is channeled writing/how does communication work? Kat, I am interested in contacting a cat whom passed in January of this year, is this possible? Cherie__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Article Posted by Best Friends (Biology experiment teaches disrespect)
I dropped out of college biology class because one morning I got to class early and down the hall, in another class, outside the classroom there was a box with a howling cat inside. The microbiology class was going to dissect the cat. I became ill to my stomach. I could not enter that building again. I dropped biology. I would have been a good biology student. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Biology experiment teaches disrespect May 16, 2005 : 8:21 AM ET After finding itself in the glare of the national media spotlight, the Gunnison Valley High School has apologized for using a homeless dog in a school biology experiment. The dog, who’d been abandoned and was unclaimed after two weeks, was going to be put down. So their biology teacher organized a class in which the dog was cut open in front of the 16- and 17-year-old girls so they could see the digestive system at work. After the surgery, the dog was destroyed. The story was broadcast on KTVX news, and then made its way into the national media, whereupon the school was surprised to find itself facing some very unwelcome publicity and protests from around the country. “We don’t condone this,” said South Sanpete School District assistant superintendent Donald Hill. “Our schools will not participate in this again.” But the teacher stood by what he’d done, and even the assistant principal’s apology was somewhat half-hearted. “They did not remove or dissect any parts. It was not barbaric, [but] we will have to find a better way next time.” A “better way” to accomplish what exactly? Any other lessons we teach them in school or church about the sanctity of life and family values are instantly undermined in a class like this, when we treat living creatures as no more than objects to be sliced open, inspected, and then killed. Vivisection (cutting up live animals for experiments) has long been abandoned by schools in the mainstream of education. Teachers know that it’s the thin end of a very dangerous wedge. Once life – any life – is viewed with such disrespect, the door is open to all life being treated similarly. “It just makes me sick,” said student Sierra Williams to KTVX news. Other students told their parents that their teacher was less than sympathetic to their distress, telling them they simply needed to be able to “handle” it. But what the students couldn’t handle was not the sight of blood or body parts. Had they been witnessing a heroic effort to save a life, they would have reacted quite differently. Sure, many of us are squeamish about watching surgery, but that’s very different from the horror and distress of these girls. Young people learn some of their most important life lessons from the way their parents and teachers treat animals. Even seeing a family pet dropped off at the local shelter can be traumatic. When the family runs into financial problems, and Mom and Dad decide they can no longer keep Fido or Fluffy, it sends a very clear message to the youngest child, who now finds himself at the bottom of the family hierarchy: “I may be next.” Cruelty and disrespect to animals breed the same attitude toward humans. In homes where animals are being abused, spouses and children are almost always being abused, too. It’s a well-known fact that every serial killer ever captured has admitted to having started on animals before graduating to people. And according to the pastor of the high-school boys who carried out the infamous massacre at the Columbine High School a few years ago, the two boys were known to have practiced first on birds. Respect for life is fundamental to any civilized society. It’s why we even surround the execution of even a condemned criminal with certain rituals – the last meal, the visit from the chaplain. And it’s why, when a lost, lonely, helpless dog is going to be killed, shelter workers do their best to offer him or her a caring and dignified end. We should be proud that the girls at Gunnison Valley were horrified and upset at the school experiment they witnessed. They don’t need to learn to “handle” their reaction. They need to be guided by it. In a world where the daily news is full of routine killing and cruelty, we need to teach our children that kindness to animals builds respect for all living creatures, and that this is the foundation of a better world for all of us. By Michael MountainBest Friends Animal Society Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescueClick Here to Join K9 and Puddy Xpress Yahoo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K9andPuddyXpress/joinhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless
Re: Brissle is gone...
I have been reading with great pain and agony about your efforts with Brissle. I am sorry for the pain both of you had to go through. You have been a wonderful, caring person to deal with this as you have. Brissle is at peace and lived a life filled with love. My prayers are with you in hopes that you too will find peace. God bless.Melbeach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The day I've been dreading finally came. Last night Brissle left me. It got tothe point where she couldn't move on her own. I thought about another bloodtransfusion. But I just didn't have the heart to put her through anothercycle. We already made our peace. I made it a point the last couple of days tospend every minute with her. I think she was hanging on just for me. So nowit's just me and Squermie. I think he's finally starting to figure it out.It's hard, but I'm trying to stay positive. I am eternally grateful to all ofyou on Felvtalk for your caring support. You guys really are the best.-Kyle__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: RE: Wisconsin cat hunting: bad and good news!
My uncles swear that once upon a time, there were rules, rules of safety, rules of civility, rules of respect of nature but that is has changed. They don't understand uzis to kill deer either. Their take on it is if you need an automatic rifle to kill a deer, hunting just may not be your sport. LOLBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if there have been any studies to show that some people carrying guns tend to behave badly just as do other people when they get behind the wheel of a car. I'm on another animal list where a guy forwards news items about hunter bad behavior. There was a case, it may have been in Pennsylvania, when a hunter accidentally shot a pregnant woman standing in front of her cabin in the woods. She consequently lost her baby. The guy was fined and maybe did a few days in jail, but the woman said the worst thing was that he didn't even apologize. I'm just kind of wondering about factors coming into play -like being behind the wheel of a car, carrying a weapon, wearing a uniform, being in a large group, that seem to bring out otherwise inhibited behavior in people.At least the governor of Wisconsin has also said there will be no cat hunting on his watch.Bonnie- Original Message -From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Saturday, April 16, 2005 5:56 amSubject: RE: Wisconsin cat hunting: bad and good news! ug. the hunters I know ARE like that. Unfortunately some are members of my extended family. t Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I have to take exception to the description of most hunters being like that. My whole family has hunted over the years (I'm from northern WI) and I don't personally know anyone that foolish. Unfortunately, like with most other areas, the ones that make the news and create the stereotypes are the ones who do things like that. I think most hunters are responsible and follow the laws. I even have 2 game wardens in the family:) I had not heard of the incident at the school bus stop, where was that? tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Nah, you're not a "dumb Brit" your just too intellectual to understand it. In the states, hunters often wear orange vests so as not to shoot each other. You see, the hunter is a often a beer guzzling good ol' boy who after consuming enough alcohol to kill a rhino will wander into the woods...or any tree laden area with a loaded weapon and shoot at anything that movescarsdomestic pets...the occasional tv screen as seen from the window of a family roomeach other. The vests are supposed to be orange flags, as it were to alert them that perhaps the verticle moving figure they are lining up in their sites...just might NOT be a deer. Doesn't always work tho... In the states, hunters have been aquitted of killing: just for example: a mother walking her kids to the bus stopshe was wearing a brown coat, white hat and white gloves...the hunter thought the white hat and gloves were the rear end of a deer and plugged her in the forehead infront of a crowd of elementry school children waiting for the bus. It was ruled that because of what she was wearing...the shoot could be deemed justified and the charges were dropped. My parents' 15lb poodle was "mistaken" for a deer, and one idiot even shot at me through the sliding glass doors when I was 12 - but it was my fault you see, I was sitting in my family room watching tv...and...my hair's brown...so it was an honest mistake...luckily he missed me by 1/4". Oh and did I mention that some hunters start as young as 8 9 years old. Be thankful for that big "pond" between us and you! T "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: What does that mean (I'm a dumb Brit) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Wisconsin cat hunting: bad and good news! LMAO!! TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: getting everyone together to sew hundreds of thousands very small orange vests to ship to wisconsin: Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Barb+Smoky the House
Re: OT: tonight's hearing on hunting cats in Wisconsin
I am on my soapbox. I do not buy the stats that people are giving on cats and wildlife. I heard on television thata single cat kills 1000 animals a month. Malarkey. I have barn cats. 8 cats jointly kill 4 rats, 12 mice a month.That isNOT 4 rats per cat. That is 4 rats per all 8 cats. I lost 3 wild birds last year to my cats. Sure feral cats will kill more to eat but no cat requires 1000 birds permonth to survive.Feral cats don't spend a whole lot of time killing for the sake of killing either. The kill to eat. IMO, the real problem is West Nile. I have had bird feeders for over 30 years and never ONCE saw a bird die at my feeder until the last few years. In the last county I lived in, I had a least 1 bird a week die on my feeder. The thing is West Nile takes a few days to kill a bird. During that time, the bird is very slow to react, easy for a cat to catch.Healthy birds are notTHAT easy for cats to catch. My cats prefer mice for that reason. I do believe that in some areas, cats are catching more birds than ever simply because the virus is making it so very easy to do so. I have hundreds of birds in my yard. They are rarely, rarely caught by the cats. These figures just do not add up.BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to the Conservation Congress hearing tonight. The turnout was huge! Most of those who spoke were against hunting cats. Even some hunters got up and said that the Department of Natural Resources would be shooting itself in the foot if, when they most needed public support to prevent deeper budget cuts, they got behind this proposal.One woman got up and said it was ironic that people who backed a mourning dove hunt a few years ago, were now suddenly concerned about songbirds. I got to add that the author of the cat and songbird study admitted that development here and in those places birds spend the winter was the main cause of the decline in their populations.Depending on how all Wisconsin counties vote, the Conservation Congress will make its recommendations to the DNR - we should know later today.Bonnie in WI Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
RE: ot-dogfighting legislation
Hi everyone. I am appy20, Faye Lewis from the board before. I have had email problems and subscription problems, time problemsand was unable to post. I did want to encourage all of you to fight dogfighting from a different angle. In your next election, find out WHO is running for district attorney in your local area.It doesn't hurt to identify all of the electible judges either. Don't omit sheriffs either and police chiefs. Put this issue on their agenda right from the beginning. All the national and state legislation won'tmean a hill of beans unless it is enforced, prosecuted and abjudicated. I live in a section of the state that has a serious dogfighting problem. Our county, however, does not. Why? Because we elected a DA who was very aggressive and worked closely with the Humane Society to rid us of the problem. People actually did jail time here. Dozens of people got prosecuted to the max. Our sheriff departmentis mandated to respond to the problem and to reported dog thefts. It worked. Dogfighters are afraid of our county. Our Humane Society Director said that dogs are not being stolen in our county for fear of drawing attention to themselves either.Not one dog has been stolen in our county in years (except for the rare domestic dispute type cases).If you have true legal recourse, the word gets around and things improve. She said the problem lies in the complacent counties that do not prosecute. During your next election, talk to the candidates. Organize your dog clubs, cat clubs, Humane Society, pet lovers, your neighbors, coworkersand have them ALL approach the candidates. Make it known that you think the problem a priority. This really does work. In fact, it is rather scary at how easy the solution truly is. We are now one of the safest counties in the state when it comes to dogfighting. For those of you who don't think this is a cat issue, please rethink. Some of these sickos use cats as bait animals. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's like a knife in the gut every time you hear about it. I will definitely look at this later. Thanks Tonya. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: ot-dogfighting legislation I don't want to start another PETA battle. But if you're disturbed by dogfighting and cockfighting here is some info. for you. I have a sample letter I wrote at the bottom of the email if you want to modify and use it. The House Bill and the Senate Bill have different numbers, so be sure to put the correct numbers in your correspondence. You can find your senators' and congressman's email very easily by doing a google search. example "us senators email addresses" tPETA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "PETA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters!Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:28 -0500Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters! Dear Friend, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states. Federal officials have shied away from investigating and prosecuting some of these crimes, citing the weak statute and penalties applicable to such offenses. A vital piece of legislation that will help address this issuethe Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Actwas introduced in the House and the Senate on February 15 and is being reviewed by committees. If they are passed by the Congress, S.382 and H.R.817 will strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. The transport of animals for fightingcurrently a federal misdemeanor punishable by one year in jailwould become a felony, with offenders facing two years in prison. The legislation would also criminalize the interstate shipment of cockfighting paraphernalia, including the razor-sharp gaffs typically attached to roosters legs before fights. Please contact your senators and representative to express your support for the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act today. And please forward this message to others who might be willing to lend their voices to this important issue: Contact information for senators and representatives is available online. Thank you for your compassion for animals and for your willingness to act. Yours sincerely, Daniel PadenDomestic Animal and Wildlife Rescue Information DepartmentPeople for the Ethical Treatment of Animals Dear Congressman Linder, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states including Georgia wheretheyare illegal. I'm sure you're aware of the major bust here in Georgia where people had brought children to such a gruesome event. I believe it is time for the federal government to get more involved as the people involved cross state lines and put not only their 'fighting
Re: For Faye ot-dogfighting legislation
Our HS director said the success was due, almost, entirely to the DA's office. She said that in many places, people can make a complaint and nothing will be done about it. Our county got lucky. All of the counties that have dogfighting have far more people against dogfighting than for it but they do not make this an issue. You never hear the subject brought up in elections. The Humane Society contacted our DA office and they set up a sting operation and there were a lot of arrests. The HS has tried with other counties but no one was motivated. However, it doesn't take much to get them motivated at election time."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dogfighters are afraid of our county. Faye, which county is this? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:47 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: ot-dogfighting legislation Hi everyone. I am appy20, Faye Lewis from the board before. I have had email problems and subscription problems, time problemsand was unable to post. I did want to encourage all of you to fight dogfighting from a different angle. In your next election, find out WHO is running for district attorney in your local area.It doesn't hurt to identify all of the electible judges either. Don't omit sheriffs either and police chiefs. Put this issue on their agenda right from the beginning. All the national and state legislation won'tmean a hill of beans unless it is enforced, prosecuted and abjudicated. I live in a section of the state that has a serious dogfighting problem. Our county, however, does not. Why? Because we elected a DA who was very aggressive and worked closely with the Humane Society to rid us of the problem. People actually did jail time here. Dozens of people got prosecuted to the max. Our sheriff departmentis mandated to respond to the problem and to reported dog thefts. It worked. Dogfighters are afraid of! our county. Our Humane Society Director said that dogs are not being stolen in our county for fear of drawing attention to themselves either.Not one dog has been stolen in our county in years (except for the rare domestic dispute type cases).If you have true legal recourse, the word gets around and things improve. She said the problem lies in the complacent counties that do not prosecute. During your next election, talk to the candidates. Organize your dog clubs, cat clubs, Humane Society, pet lovers, your neighbors, coworkersand have them ALL approach the candidates. Make it known that you think the problem a priority. This really does work. In fact, it is rather scary at how easy the solution truly is. We are now one of the safest counties in the state when it comes to dogfighting. For those of you who don't think this is a cat issue, please rethink. Some of these sickos use cats as bait animals. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's like a knife in the gut every time you hear about it. I will definitely look at this later. Thanks Tonya. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: ot-dogfighting legislation I don't want to start another PETA battle. But if you're disturbed by dogfighting and cockfighting here is some info. for you. I have a sample letter I wrote at the bottom of the email if you want to modify and use it. The House Bill and the Senate Bill have different numbers, so be sure to put the correct numbers in your correspondence. You can find your senators' and congressman's email very easily by doing a google search. example "us senators email addresses" tPETA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "PETA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters!Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:28 -0500Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters! Dear Friend, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states. Federal officials have shied away from investigating and prosecuting some of these crimes, citing the weak statute and penalties applicable to such offenses. A vital piece of legislation that will help address this issuethe Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Actwas introduced in the House and the Senate on February 15 and is being reviewed by committees. If they are passed by the Congress, S.382 and H.R.817 will strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. The transport of animals for fightingcurrently a federal misdemeanor punishable by one year in jailwould become a felony, with offenders facing two years in prison. The legislation would also criminalize the interstate shipment of cockfighting paraphernalia, including the razor-sharp gaffs typically attached to roosters legs before fights. Please contact your senators and
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I have found that local candidates are not hard to bend their ear either. Most of them WANT to talk. Some of them won't shut up. LOL Sometimes it does not take many people to make it happen, just set the stage and if the local HS can follow up on it, you have a really good chance of getting rid of it. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you! Very good advice!!! tonyaLewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. I am appy20, Faye Lewis from the board before. I have had email problems and subscription problems, time problemsand was unable to post. I did want to encourage all of you to fight dogfighting from a different angle. In your next election, find out WHO is running for district attorney in your local area.It doesn't hurt to identify all of the electible judges either. Don't omit sheriffs either and police chiefs. Put this issue on their agenda right from the beginning. All the national and state legislation won'tmean a hill of beans unless it is enforced, prosecuted and abjudicated. I live in a section of the state that has a serious dogfighting problem. Our county, however, does not. Why? Because we elected a DA who was very aggressive and worked closely with the Humane Society to rid us of the problem. People actually did jail time here. Dozens of people got prosecuted to the max. Our sheriff departmentis mandated to respond to the problem and to reported dog thefts. It worked. Dogfighters are afraid of our county. Our Humane Society Director said that dogs are not being stolen in our county for fear of drawing attention to themselves either.Not one dog has been stolen in our county in years (except for the rare domestic dispute type cases).If you have true legal recourse, the word gets around and things improve. She said the problem lies in the complacent counties that do not prosecute. During your next election, talk to the candidates. Organize your dog clubs, cat clubs, Humane Society, pet lovers, your neighbors, coworkersand have them ALL approach the candidates. Make it known that you think the problem a priority. This really does work. In fact, it is rather scary at how easy the solution truly is. We are now one of the safest counties in the state when it comes to dogfighting. For those of you who don't think this is a cat issue, please rethink. Some of these sickos use cats as bait animals. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's like a knife in the gut every time you hear about it. I will definitely look at this later. Thanks Tonya. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: ot-dogfighting legislation I don't want to start another PETA battle. But if you're disturbed by dogfighting and cockfighting here is some info. for you. I have a sample letter I wrote at the bottom of the email if you want to modify and use it. The House Bill and the Senate Bill have different numbers, so be sure to put the correct numbers in your correspondence. You can find your senators' and congressman's email very easily by doing a google search. example "us senators email addresses" tPETA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "PETA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters!Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:28 -0500Help Federal Officials Tackle Animal Fighters! Dear Friend, Our nation and its animals need your voice today! As you may know, the sadistic blood sports of dogfighting and cockfighting continue in many states. Federal officials have shied away from investigating and prosecuting some of these crimes, citing the weak statute and penalties applicable to such offenses. A vital piece of legislation that will help address this issuethe Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Actwas introduced in the House and the Senate on February 15 and is being reviewed by committees. If they are passed by the Congress, S.382 and H.R.817 will strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. The transport of animals for fightingcurrently a federal misdemeanor punishable by one year in jailwould become a felony, with offenders facing two years in prison. The legislation would also criminalize the interstate shipment of cockfighting paraphernalia, including the razor-sharp gaffs typically attached to roosters legs before fights. Please contact your senators and representative to express your support for the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act today. And please forward this message to others who might be willing to lend their voices to this important issue: Contact information for senators and representatives is available online. Thank you for your compassion for animals and for your willingness to act. Yours sincerely, Daniel PadenDomestic Animal and Wildlife Rescue Information DepartmentPeople for the Ethical Treatment of Animals Dear Congressman Linder, Our nation and its animals need your
