Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
I'm happy to hear this :) Please keep us updated with any more news. Gina Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, I guess there are some benefits of not being able to stay as in touch with the list as much as I'd like. It's nice to tune in just in time to have things getting better with our little Lucy out of danger. Someone mentioned how her recovery points to the fact that she's able to fend off infections, (or whatever the heck is going on). I always took heart when my guys where able to prove that their immune systems were still working. I'm sorry for your stress, and very glad to hear Lucy is feeling better. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone. I think I did not have the thermometer in far enough the last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems better not worse, so I think the lower reading was wrong. But she is acting almost normal now. ate a lot, came to lay with me, purring etc. Sorry for all the emails. I appreciate the support and advice. Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 11:53:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain response Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
RE: urgent-- fever advice needed
I absolutely agree with it - I have had kitties who were still running around like nothing is wrong when she had a temp of 105.5 - whereas I have had kitties who did not feel good at all and hiding at temp of 103... it all depends on kitties.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed At 09:21 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote: Be nice...give her a break from temps. We only take patients temps every 4 hours at the most. Look at the kitty...not the numbers.. Sort of like we say at work, Look at the patient not the machines, So glad she is feeling better, Eating is a much better indication, Kelly Thanks everyone. I think I did not have the thermometer in far enough the last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems better not worse, so I think the lower reading was wrong. But she is acting almost normal now. ate a lot, came to lay with me, purring etc. Sorry for all the emails. I appreciate the support and advice. Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 11:53:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain response No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 1/16/2007
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Hi Michelle, I am sorry I couldn't respond to this sooner. If you remember, Bandy had recurring fevers for well over a year...often as high as 106+.. After awhile of taking him to the vet, I had a prescription of .75mg dex for use at home...I would give him 1/2 pill at times and the temp would drop within 3 hours..sometimes, we would use the whole pill depending on how high it was and how he was acting..He didn't have any sort of infection going on though, but the dex is the drug they use to bring it down either way..I haven't had a chance to read all the responses yet either.. I did read that someone wrote about alcohol rub which is good as well as ice packs on their head.. Pred sometimes works to bring it down but not as fast as dex.. I have an ear thermometer and it didn't read as well at times either..It was .4 off from the rectal at the vet..but I got to where I could tell about Bandy's temp since he had it almost every 8 days like clock work.. I do hope all is well now..If you can get some pill form dex, it is a good thing to have on hand..I have always tried to keep some here as it is good to have in case of shock or any sort of emergency.. Keep us posted, Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
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Michelle, I guess there are some benefits of not being able to stay as in touch with the list as much as I'd like. It's nice to tune in just in time to have things getting better with our little Lucy out of danger. Someone mentioned how her recovery points to the fact that she's able to fend off infections, (or whatever the heck is going on). I always took heart when my guys where able to prove that their immune systems were still working. I'm sorry for your stress, and very glad to hear Lucy is feeling better. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone. I think I did not have the thermometer in far enough the last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems better not worse, so I think the lower reading was wrong. But she is acting almost normal now. ate a lot, came to lay with me, purring etc. Sorry for all the emails. I appreciate the support and advice. Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 11:53:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain response
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Lucy's temp was normal this morning (101.6) but is now back up to 104.2 and climbing, even though I gave her fluids over an hour ago when it was 103.6. I am bringing her to the vet at 5 for an IV I-R shot. she is eating and grooming, but lethargic. I asked the vet about using dex and he said he wants me to up her pred a little instead. not sure why. Michelle
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HI, I don't usually use pred until I absolutely have to as it is immunosuppressant --- Michelle, if she is eating, you might want her allow her body to fight this off for a while -as sometimes, it takes for a few days to fight it off, too. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Lucy's temp was normal this morning (101.6) but is now back up to 104.2 and climbing, even though I gave her fluids over an hour ago when it was 103.6. I am bringing her to the vet at 5 for an IV I-R shot. she is eating and grooming, but lethargic. I asked the vet about using dex and he said he wants me to up her pred a little instead. not sure why. Michelle
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I was taking them so frequently last night because it was so high and the ER told me that if it stopped going down at any point I needed to bring her in. I've taken it a total of 3 times since last night, once this am and twice this afternoon. I will not take it again for a few hours. Thanks for the 4 hour guideline. Michelle In a message dated 1/17/2007 12:30:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 09:21 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote: Be nice...give her a break from temps. We only take patients temps every 4 hours at the most. Look at the kitty...not the numbers.. Sort of like we say at work, Look at the patient not the machines, So glad she is feeling better, Eating is a much better indication, Kelly
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I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle
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*Personally, I think I would take her to the ER. My Sarah ended up with vision problems from a fever that high. 99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal range.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Take her to the ER. That's too high and it could get even higher as the night wears on. Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Personally, I think I would take her to the ER. My Sarah ended up with vision problems from a fever that high. 99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal range. Leslie =^..^= On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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*Michelle, I looked up a few things and found this on * http://cats.about.com/library/howto/httaketemp.htm: *Tips:* 1. This project will be much easier if you have someone to hold the cat and pet it while you lift her tail and insert the thermometer. 2. A temperature of 105°F is a dangerous level and your cat should be seen by a veterinarian immediately. If it's between 103°F and 104.5°F, you should call your veterinarian for advice. 3. A digital thermometer will be easier to read, and will beep when ready to be read. On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I just took her temp again and it is down from 105.7 to 105.3 in about half an hour. I also just gave her 1/4 baby aspirin. I have been prepared to take her to the ER, waiting for Gray to get home from work to go with me (he is on way). Now that it is going down some on its own and fluids probably have not really started absorbing, do you think I can wait and monitor and see if it keeps going down? Or do you think that I should go immediately, still? thanks, Michelle
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I don't PERSONALLY worry too much unless fever last more than a couple of days - if the temp is below normal - it's an urgent situation and you need to do everything you can to bring it up.. but when a temp is high, the body is trying to fight something against and it's not necessarily a BAD thing (in alternative medicine thinking anyway) - I have had several cats who has had a temp over 106.5 (yes scary) - but I gave a sub q fluid and put a cold towel around the body ---to bring it down --- there is non steroid antinflamatory to bring the fever down.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leslie Lawther Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Personally, I think I would take her to the ER. My Sarah ended up with vision problems from a fever that high. 99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal range. Leslie =^..^= On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Michelle - I say wait - there really isn't anything they can do to cure the problem - give some time as it often times goes down.. keep her cool --- but wait you don't want to stress her too much .. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed I just took her temp again and it is down from 105.7 to 105.3 in about half an hour. I also just gave her 1/4 baby aspirin. I have been prepared to take her to the ER, waiting for Gray to get home from work to go with me (he is on way). Now that it is going down some on its own and fluids probably have not really started absorbing, do you think I can wait and monitor and see if it keeps going down? Or do you think that I should go immediately, still? thanks, Michelle
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I took her temp again and it is down to 105.0 (was 105.7, then 105.3) and she fought me this time, then ate some of her raw food afterwards (I brought it to her, she still is just laying curled up). At this point I am going to wait a half hour and take it again and see if it is down more. Over 105 is dangerous according to info I found on the internet, and below 104.5 can wait for a regular vet appointment. If it goes down below 104.5 in the next hour or so I think I will wait and take her to the regular vet tomorrow (monitoring her temp through the night of course). If it doesn't I will take her to the ER. The ER is 45 minutes away, though, and they always insist on keeping them overnight, and she gets really stressed. I think the plusses of going to the ER are 1) they can do IV fluids which are faster than sub-q, and 2) they can give a dex shot, which can help bring it down fast. Everything else they would do I am doing, and the sub q fluids should start absorbing. Thank you everyone for advice, and please offer more if you have it-- and tell me if you think I am doing the wrong thing, please. I am totally stressed out right now. I am glad I did not take her to the ER right away because 1) I would still be in the car and her fever would not be being treated and probably would not have come down, 2) stress can actually increase fever in a cat, and 3) I am way to stressed and fatigued to drive all that way at night with her screaming next to me without risking an accident. At least if her fever is not down in an hour or so Gray should be home and can drive us. Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 7:26:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle – I say wait – there really isn’t anything they can do to cure the problem – give some time as it often times goes down.. keep her cool --- but wait you don’t want to stress her too much ..
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At 03:57 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote: Cats can easily go up to 106.5 their normal is much higher than ours, I do the fluids it helps so muchBe careful about the Asprin..there are other meds to reduce the fever should it be necessary , Fluids as you have been doing are the best, The fever is only secondary to the other issues which are more important, Eating,, Peeing general lethargypain ..those are all more critical, If it does not go up higher and it starts to come down I might hold off if there are no other symptoms. the cool wraps suggested by Hideyo are good also, Stress also raises the temp so be aware of putting hard objects in soft bottoms,, too often Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Kelly I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 1/16/2007
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Do you have a home sub-q fluids set up? If so, some cool fluids might help bring it down more. You can also wipe the foot pads with rubbing alcohol and blow on them, the evaporation lowers the body temperature (rinse them well with cold water after you're done, as the alcohol shouldn't be ingested). If you have a soft ice pack, you can lay it under her body. Personally, since she's been ill with URI, I would take her in tonight. They could put her on IV fluids, which should help both her fever and her nasal discharge (more fluids thins the secretions and eases congestion). Lemme see... high fever plus UR symptoms, plus eye discharge that would lean towards Herpes or Calici, the high fever eliminates just about everything uncommon. Did you look in her mouth for ulcers? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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I gave her fluids about an hour ago and assume that is part of what is bringing it down. I also have had an ice pack under her (she is on a sleeping bag and I have it under the sleeping bag under her) for the last hour or so. I have not tried the alcohol yet. How is calici treated? In a message dated 1/16/2007 8:10:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you have a home sub-q fluids set up? If so, some cool fluids might help bring it down more. You can also wipe the foot pads with rubbing alcohol and blow on them, the evaporation lowers the body temperature (rinse them well with cold water after you're done, as the alcohol shouldn't be ingested). If you have a soft ice pack, you can lay it under her body. Personally, since she's been ill with URI, I would take her in tonight. They could put her on IV fluids, which should help both her fever and her nasal discharge (more fluids thins the secretions and eases congestion). Lemme see... high fever plus UR symptoms, plus eye discharge that would lean towards Herpes or Calici, the high fever eliminates just about everything uncommon. Did you look in her mouth for ulcers? Phaewryn
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Her fever is now down to 104.5, and I realized that the ice was not cold through the sleeping bag so moved it above the sleeping bag next to her wrapped in a t-shirt. She ate more and seems more alert. I am actually surprised how alert she is given that her temp is still so high, though she is still laying in the same spot and has not moved other than to sit in a sphinx position from curled up (not a sick cat position, it's a normal position). She purred when I pet her, and when I moved the ice closer to her. I am still a stress basket, but am going to retemp her in an hour and see if it is still going down steadily. I called the ER and they said to do that and if it stops going down to bring her in. Michelle
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Usually just by antibiotics to kill secondary bacterial infections and any number of things for the oral ulcers... it's the lesser of the two main causes of URI. It usually doesn't have life-long respiratory effects like Herpes often does. Like I said, if you can get the Feline Interferon OMEGA (Virbagen), that's ideal, and it's been shown to resolve Stomatitis and Calici oral ulcers completely. The worst part of the calici is the oral ulcers, it's basically just like stomatitis, often the diagnosis is confused between the two. If all cats that had Stomatitis were DNA tested for calici, it's thought that upwards of 85% would be Calici positive. I'd go so far as to say, Calici is the #2 cause of Stomatitis, behind FIV (though a majority of FIV related Stomatitis may also be due to Calici, no studies done there yet, I don't believe). I'd add some extra Vitamin A into her diet, if her digestive system can handle it. It can't hurt anything. I have those FIV/Stomatitis Interferon Omega studies, if you're interested: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99lang=eng (slow loading) http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141lang=eng Here's one about Calici: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188lang=eng Here's one that's very promising, an elderly cat with FIV and Uvetis (doesn't someone here have a cat fighting uvetis?): http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140lang=eng Here's the index of all Omega studies: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferonlang=eng (it's even cured a case of WET FIP!) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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Yeah, you can actually put the ice right under her chest/belly, with only a hand towel or a sweatshirt between her and the ice. I once brought a kitten back from unconsciousness from a high fever by putting him DIRECTLY on a bag of frozen peas. (I rotated him often though) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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Thanks. I don't want to stress her by looking in her mouth right now (am already taking temps hourly, has been half hourly), but she has not had any discomfort eating so I don't think she has oral ulcers. I hope not, anyway! She is having a slightly odd other symptom, though, and I can't find anything about it online. Her pupils seem to be dilating and contracting ever so slightly with each breath or heart beat, I can't tell which. Gray noticed it; it is so slight that I am not sure I would have noticed if he had not pointed it out. We can't get the other cats to hold our gaze long enough to tell if theirs do it, but we don't think so. She is not acting like her eyes are bothering her. Any ideas? Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 9:18:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usually just by antibiotics to kill secondary bacterial infections and any number of things for the oral ulcers... it's the lesser of the two main causes of URI. It usually doesn't have life-long respiratory effects like Herpes often does. Like I said, if you can get the Feline Interferon OMEGA (Virbagen), that's ideal, and it's been shown to resolve Stomatitis and Calici oral ulcers completely. The worst part of the calici is the oral ulcers, it's basically just like stomatitis, often the diagnosis is confused between the two. If all cats that had Stomatitis were DNA tested for calici, it's thought that upwards of 85% would be Calici positive. I'd go so far as to say, Calici is the #2 cause of Stomatitis, behind FIV (though a majority of FIV related Stomatitis may also be due to Calici, no studies done there yet, I don't believe). I'd add some extra Vitamin A into her diet, if her digestive system can handle it. It can't hurt anything. I have those FIV/Stomatitis Interferon Omega studies, if you're interested: _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99lang=eng) (slow loading) _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189lang=eng) _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96lang=eng) _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97lang=eng) _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93lang=eng) _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141lang=eng) Here's one about Calici: _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188lang=eng) Here's one that's very promising, an elderly cat with FIV and Uvetis (doesn't someone here have a cat fighting uvetis?): _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140lang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140lang=eng) Here's the index of all Omega studies: _http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferonlang=eng_ (http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferonlang=eng) (it's even cured a case of WET FIP!) Phaewryn
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pupils contracting with heartbeat? humm... well, glaucoma comes to mind, and high blood pressure. But that's just my first thoughts, not based on anything I've heard of specifically.. let me see what I can come up with... I went to take a shower, that's why I was gone for a while.. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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Well, her temp just read 102.5, and she ate more and is rubbing her head against me and purring, got up and used the litter box. her nose is cold an wet, and one ear has cooled down to normal, but the other ear, oddly enough, is still very hot. not sure what is going on, but am relieved she is improving, knock on wood. Thanks for all your support, Michelle
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Rhythmic pupil dilation is called hippus, and everyone that has an eye has it to an extent. The are conditions where it's off balance or too fast or too slow... here's what I found online: A good understanding of what affects pupil size is important in those unusual cases. First, the pupil is not a thing. It is an empty hole in the center of the iris. The iris, which forms the pupil, consists of a layer of cells containing the pigment melanin, which blocks the light, and two sets of muscles. A ring shaped muscle called the sphincter closes the pupil, and a radial set of muscle fibers called the dilator opens it. Primary input to the sphincter is from the parasympathetic (relaxing) branch of the autonomic nervous system, whereas the dilator is controlled by the sympathetic branch (fighting). Pupil size is primarily determined by the balance between actions of the two branches of the autonomic nervous system. The most important factor that affects pupil size is light. When light is detected by the photoreceptors in the eyes, information is sent via the optic nerve and tract to nuclei in the mid-brain and then on to the Edinger-Wesphal nucleus. Signals to the dilator and sphincter muscles are generated as a result to activity in this nucleus, but other sources of neural innervation beyond those produced by light can also alter activity in this nucleus. Because the coordination required to keep the two systems in balance is not perfect, the pupil is in a constant state of unrest. This is called hippus or pupillary athetosis. Normal hippus is difficult to detect, but exaggerated hippus can result from various pathological states including drug intoxication. It is well known that cocaine affects the sympathetic nervous system and causes dilation, whereas the narcotic analgesics affect the parasympathetic system and cause constriction. Rhythmic pupillary dilation coincident with the pulse suggests aortic insufficiency (Landolfi's sign). LANDOLFI'S SIGN: in aortic regurgitation, systolic contraction and diastolic dilation of the pupil The only reference to hippus in felines I could find is that it's often a result of epilepsy and seizure... and high fevers can cause seizure... Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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At 07:26 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote: great...great..remember that a fever is natures way of killing unwanted guests, Certain bacteria and virus's have a narrow temp range so was the body heats up many little bugs die, Fevers in them selves are not dangerous unless they are outrageously high. Fluids are always my stand by for a cat that will not eat, a cat with a URI...loosens secretions and keeps the rest of the body functioning well and great for general comfort,,Good kidney function, flushes toxins,,etc So good to hear Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Well, her temp just read 102.5, and she ate more and is rubbing her head against me and purring, got up and used the litter box. her nose is cold an wet, and one ear has cooled down to normal, but the other ear, oddly enough, is still very hot. not sure what is going on, but am relieved she is improving, knock on wood. Thanks for all your support, Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 1/16/2007
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Good, glad she is better! High fevers can be really miserable! Especially when you feel bad to begin with! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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Thanks, Phaerwyn. That sounds scary. I am not sure what to think. It is not very exaggerated, but it does seem to happen with her pulse. In a message dated 1/16/2007 10:34:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rhythmic pupil dilation is called hippus, and everyone that has an eye has it to an extent. The are conditions where it's off balance or too fast or too slow... here's what I found online: A good understanding of what affects pupil size is important in those unusual cases. First, the pupil is not a thing. It is an empty hole in the center of the iris. The iris, which forms the pupil, consists of a layer of cells containing the pigment melanin, which blocks the light, and two sets of muscles. A ring shaped muscle called the sphincter closes the pupil, and a radial set of muscle fibers called the dilator opens it. Primary input to the sphincter is from the parasympathetic (relaxing) branch of the autonomic nervous system, whereas the dilator is controlled by the sympathetic branch (fighting). Pupil size is primarily determined by the balance between actions of the two branches of the autonomic nervous system. The most important factor that affects pupil size is light. When light is detected by the photoreceptors in the eyes, information is sent via the optic nerve and tract to nuclei in the mid-brain and then on to the Edinger-Wesphal nucleus. Signals to the dilator and sphincter muscles are generated as a result to activity in this nucleus, but other sources of neural innervation beyond those produced by light can also alter activity in this nucleus. Because the coordination required to keep the two systems in balance is not perfect, the pupil is in a constant state of unrest. This is called hippus or _pupillary athetosis_ (http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cns_hl_dorlands.jspzQzpgzEzzSzppdocszSzuszSzcommonzSzdorlandszSzdorlandzSzdmd_a_70zPzhtm#1216690 9) . Normal hippus is difficult to detect, but exaggerated hippus can result from various pathological states including drug intoxication. It is well known that cocaine affects the sympathetic nervous system and causes dilation, whereas the narcotic analgesics affect the parasympathetic system and cause constriction. Rhythmic pupillary dilation coincident with the pulse suggests aortic insufficiency (Landolfi's sign). LANDOLFI'S SIGN: in aortic regurgitation, systolic contraction and diastolic dilation of the pupil The only reference to hippus in felines I could find is that it's often a result of epilepsy and seizure... and high fevers can cause seizure... Phaewryn
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Kelly is absolutely right, you should see her body's temperature as a sign that her body is functioning as designed, as we were just discussing the possibility of secondary bacterial infections... perhaps she just killed it all herself! The only bad thing about fever is when it gets too high, it can cause seizures and organ failure. Plus, it makes them feel bad, and they will go off their food, and not drink enough. But no, a fever in itself is not a bad thing, as Kelly pointed out; in fact, it's probably EXACTLY what her body needed to kill off those secondary bacteria from her URI. Thanks for pointing that out Kelly, you are absolutely right! (and it had not occurred to me) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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Phaerwyn, given what you found about rhythmic pupil dilation, do you think I should be worried about that? If her fever is down in the morning do you think I should take her in to the vet to check that out?
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Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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is my email/replies getting to this email/group - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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well guess what ? - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed is my email/replies getting to this email/group - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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god bye. - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed well guess what ? - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed is my email/replies getting to this email/group - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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Anna, you had several very nice replies to your question, which and some good suggestions... You have to look at the subject of the message, and follow that thread, to see your replies. Hope your kitty is doing better, we all understand and sympathize. Gloria On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Anna wrote: god bye. - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed well guess what ? - Original Message - From: Anna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed is my email/replies getting to this email/group - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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No, I don't think it's anything to worry about. Just watch her for other signs of seizures, or for other eye symptoms. Sorry I disappeared again, was doing dishes. Try touching the outside of her eyelid, just put your thumb over it and put a very light pressure on her eyeball through her eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain response (screams, swats at you, growls, hisses), then I'd take her in, if she just pulls back annoyed, I wouldn't worry. Just watch for pain and signs of her losing her vision. Like, for example if she doesn't close her eye as your thumb approaches... she might not be seeing it. But, you might want to take her in anyways, if you need antibiotics for the URI. I'd probably take the wait and see approach though, if she's not improving by Friday, take her in before the weekend. Do you have more than one ice pack? If so, I'd leave one out for her as an option to lay on if she wants to. When that one defrosts, replace it with another, and put that one in the freezer, you know? Cats will seek out what feels good to them, if her fever comes back while you are asleep, if she has a cold place to lay down, she probably will lay there. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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Thanks everyone. I think I did not have the thermometer in far enough the last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems better not worse, so I think the lower reading was wrong. But she is acting almost normal now. ate a lot, came to lay with me, purring etc. Sorry for all the emails. I appreciate the support and advice. Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 11:53:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain response
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At 09:21 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote: Be nice...give her a break from temps. We only take patients temps every 4 hours at the most. Look at the kitty...not the numbers.. Sort of like we say at work, Look at the patient not the machines, So glad she is feeling better, Eating is a much better indication, Kelly Thanks everyone. I think I did not have the thermometer in far enough the last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems better not worse, so I think the lower reading was wrong. But she is acting almost normal now. ate a lot, came to lay with me, purring etc. Sorry for all the emails. I appreciate the support and advice. Michelle In a message dated 1/16/2007 11:53:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain response No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/631 - Release Date: 1/16/2007
