Fwd: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
--- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
James wouldn't be the first moderator to do that. Michael has tried to cool it down on one of the Yahoo! lists, but apparently a few people have an overwhelming compulsion to keep this going. I'd say that's a pretty sad situation as well, considering that they obviously have lots of energy, and they could take that and devote it all to taking care of cats instead siphoning off some to beat dead horses. That's how it goes, I guess. Lance On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST), Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And why is it on this list? I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
And why is it on this list? I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
Does this have anything to do with FELV? I think not. FYI, there were NO starving NOR dehydrated cats at my house. The $300 food bill per month speaks to that. I don't know what may have happened to them while in TLAC's care, but while in my care they were well fed and had access to plenty of water. My cats received prompt medical care for any issues they had. There were some who were being treated at the time they were seized, and to my knowledge they did not get their medications while at TLAC, nor did my kitty with a heart murmur get her lasix nor any of her other supplements. It is highly, highly unethical to place housecats in barn placements. They've never lived outside and have no defenses against anything that may happen to them out there. They will probably lead short, terrified lives now, when they were perfectly happy here. It is also poor netiquette to post private emails to a public list. It would seem especially foolish to post a threatening one. Why is Sheila after this person? Because this person knows the truth, I'll warrant. If anyone has any further questions about my situation, I'll be happy to answer them via private email. This list is for FELV talk and it is not fair to the newbies to have to wade through all this crap when they probably are finding us because they have cats who are recently diagnosed and are in pain. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Founder, Rescuties Animal Rescue Austin, TX On Dec 12, 2007 10:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
The way to cool it down is to tell people the topic is closed, place anyone who doesn't understand closed on moderated status, and delete posts on the topic. Unfortunately this sort of nastiness is why groups need moderators. Sometimes things get out of hand and someone has to step in and take charge of the situation. Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James wouldn't be the first moderator to do that. Michael has tried to cool it down on one of the Yahoo! lists, but apparently a few people have an overwhelming compulsion to keep this going. I'd say that's a pretty sad situation as well, considering that they obviously have lots of energy, and they could take that and devote it all to taking care of cats instead siphoning off some to beat dead horses. That's how it goes, I guess. Lance On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST), Susan Hoffman said: And why is it on this list? I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the good news...
Hi guys, I do not come over here very often, but because, I do miss a few, very special people here and still have my FeLV+ little girl, I need to receive all the information possible about this awful disease...I also, by the way, have six negative kitties, so am very grateful for all and any helpful information that makes me a better cat-lady. Sheila wanted you guys to at least know some good, that has happened for the cats down in Austin. She was angry, of course, being right there in Austin, dealing with the situation...I hope people will find it in their hearts to forgive her? Those of us who 'live' on the 'other list' are hoping things will eventually mend between our two lists, for the sake of all our innocent, beautiful and suffering cats... I posted Sheila's letter to you guys, in its complete form, not butchered...I don't even know how to cut and paste... Sheila Smith was hoping to get this posted directly, through active members on your list, but had to ask me. I really hope I do not upset anyone by relaying this 'good news'. I would like to think, that this list, like the list, I am active on, puts the welfare of cats/all animals first... I hope I am not going to be judged as a 'trouble maker' ? I am not. I am just another person out there who loves cats and who is trying to cope with this heartbreaking disease. I do have to add one last comment: Isn't it wonderful, that at least this handful of kitties, from this tragedy, are actually safe, loved and being accounted for? As far as those that ended up at the public shelter in Austin I have not heard...sorry... Thank you for taking the time to read our posts... Best to everyone, Glenda Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: the good news...
Cats in barn cat placements are not safe, loved, and accounted for. They are outside when they have no defenses and no understanding of how to be safe outside, like a feral cat does. The tragedy was that they were ripped from their happy home. That is a terrible thing. If people want to post things to lists, they should join said lists. On Dec 12, 2007 11:36 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I do not come over here very often, but because, I do miss a few, very special people here and still have my FeLV+ little girl, I need to receive all the information possible about this awful disease...I also, by the way, have six negative kitties, so am very grateful for all and any helpful information that makes me a better cat-lady. Sheila wanted you guys to at least know some good, that has happened for the cats down in Austin. She was angry, of course, being right there in Austin, dealing with the situation...I hope people will find it in their hearts to forgive her? Those of us who 'live' on the 'other list' are hoping things will eventually mend between our two lists, for the sake of all our innocent, beautiful and suffering cats... I posted Sheila's letter to you guys, in its complete form, not butchered...I don't even know how to cut and paste... Sheila Smith was hoping to get this posted directly, through active members on your list, but had to ask me. I really hope I do not upset anyone by relaying this 'good news'. I would like to think, that this list, like the list, I am active on, puts the welfare of cats/all animals first... I hope I am not going to be judged as a 'trouble maker' ? I am not. I am just another person out there who loves cats and who is trying to cope with this heartbreaking disease. I do have to add one last comment: Isn't it wonderful, that at least this handful of kitties, from this tragedy, are actually safe, loved and being accounted for? As far as those that ended up at the public shelter in Austin I have not heard...sorry... Thank you for taking the time to read our posts... Best to everyone, Glenda Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing... I agree, this OT topic should be closed !!
I agree. Glenda, this is so inappropriate for this list. This is an inflammatory issue that does *not* belong on our FELVtalk list, I think everyone else understands this. This is a Feline Leukemia list, and that's a very clear boundary. I think FELVtalk has always been lenient about OT topics, which is great, but you're not even masking it as OT. The problem is it's a disagreement between folks, and can only serve to alienate folks and create hostility on this list, and we need the list for FELV topics that are going to help FELV cats and their people. If we can't understand this voluntarily, let's get James, the moderator, involved. Gloria On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Susan Hoffman wrote: The way to cool it down is to tell people the topic is closed, place anyone who doesn't understand closed on moderated status, and delete posts on the topic. Unfortunately this sort of nastiness is why groups need moderators. Sometimes things get out of hand and someone has to step in and take charge of the situation. Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James wouldn't be the first moderator to do that. Michael has tried to cool it down on one of the Yahoo! lists, but apparently a few people have an overwhelming compulsion to keep this going. I'd say that's a pretty sad situation as well, considering that they obviously have lots of energy, and they could take that and devote it all to taking care of cats instead siphoning off some to beat dead horses. That's how it goes, I guess. Lance On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST), Susan Hoffman said: And why is it on this list? I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements
One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements
Shelters put a lot of cats down who would make wonderful pets if given the opportunity. Cats who are fractious or undersocialized need a good foster home where someone will take the time to work with them. It is premature to send them to a barn home, especially when they have been so recently traumatized by the whole animal control/seizure/shelter cage experience. Could you simply forward my posts on this topic to sheila or susan or whomever has these cats? I'm active with Fix Our Ferals in Oakland, CA and on a nationwide feral cat list with almost 3000 members. We should be able to find safe indoor placements with feral-aware people for 6 cats. These cats have options. So please urge the people who have them to contact me before putting them outside somewhere. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan, I do understand about believing some cats deserve to be socialized...I do know a number of the cats Shelia took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial that the city shelter would have put them down.That is why Susan stepped in... These must have been the ones that were placed in the barn situation...I think if you go right to shadowcats or just come over and post on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul, my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed /neutered and I paid out of pocket for their rabies vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them right back to their own environment...did find a lady willing to feed them, however...I am here in Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things are very backward here for the animals. I will visit you offlist later. Thank you for caring...Glenda --- Susan Hoffman wrote: One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith
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Bless your heart...I sure will... --- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shelters put a lot of cats down who would make wonderful pets if given the opportunity. Cats who are fractious or undersocialized need a good foster home where someone will take the time to work with them. It is premature to send them to a barn home, especially when they have been so recently traumatized by the whole animal control/seizure/shelter cage experience. Could you simply forward my posts on this topic to sheila or susan or whomever has these cats? I'm active with Fix Our Ferals in Oakland, CA and on a nationwide feral cat list with almost 3000 members. We should be able to find safe indoor placements with feral-aware people for 6 cats. These cats have options. So please urge the people who have them to contact me before putting them outside somewhere. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan, I do understand about believing some cats deserve to be socialized...I do know a number of the cats Shelia took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial that the city shelter would have put them down.That is why Susan stepped in... These must have been the ones that were placed in the barn situation...I think if you go right to shadowcats or just come over and post on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul, my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed /neutered and I paid out of pocket for their rabies vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them right back to their own environment...did find a lady willing to feed them, however...I am here in Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things are very backward here for the animals. I will visit you offlist later. Thank you for caring...Glenda --- Susan Hoffman wrote: One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health
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On Dec 12, 2007 12:04 PM, Unusually Unique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kind of garbage is exactly the reason I unsubscribed from this list. Which I might add, the only messages I seem to be getting is this crap. I just unsubscribed for the SECOND time! There are lots of fine people on the list who would love to help you with your FELV cats. Why don't you tell us about them? How many do you have, how are they doing, etc? I'm sorry that the list had to be interrupted by people posting other people's private emails. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements
And if the cats have already been transferred to barn homes perhaps we can retrieve them and work on indoor placement with an eye towards socialization for adoption. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bless your heart...I sure will... --- Susan Hoffman wrote: Shelters put a lot of cats down who would make wonderful pets if given the opportunity. Cats who are fractious or undersocialized need a good foster home where someone will take the time to work with them. It is premature to send them to a barn home, especially when they have been so recently traumatized by the whole animal control/seizure/shelter cage experience. Could you simply forward my posts on this topic to sheila or susan or whomever has these cats? I'm active with Fix Our Ferals in Oakland, CA and on a nationwide feral cat list with almost 3000 members. We should be able to find safe indoor placements with feral-aware people for 6 cats. These cats have options. So please urge the people who have them to contact me before putting them outside somewhere. glenda Goodman wrote: Hi Susan, I do understand about believing some cats deserve to be socialized...I do know a number of the cats Shelia took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial that the city shelter would have put them down.That is why Susan stepped in... These must have been the ones that were placed in the barn situation...I think if you go right to shadowcats or just come over and post on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul, my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed /neutered and I paid out of pocket for their rabies vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them right back to their own environment...did find a lady willing to feed them, however...I am here in Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things are very backward here for the animals. I will visit you offlist later. Thank you for caring...Glenda --- Susan Hoffman wrote: One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone
