from:"MacKenzie, Kerry N."

I don't know a vet in Indiana, Gloria, but isn't that decision usually
patient-driven? I asked my vet to prescribe it.  (Maybe I misunderstood
your Q--maybe you mean VO? That would still be patient-driven, tho,
right? Or maybe you just mean a vet who is already known to be using
it?)
I would think all vets should know what interferon is and how to work
with it? Anyway, good luck! Kerry

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Subject: indiana vet who prescribes interferon


Anybody know a vet in Indiana who prescribes interferon?

Gloria 


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RE: Petition for maximum punishment

Title: Message



Done. 
Thanks for fwding, Rachel.

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Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:32 AMTo: 
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punishment
I am not usually one to forward "please sign" things. BUT this 
is a serious issue that I hope you will read about and if you are inclined to 
agree with the sentiment of this petition that you will choose to sign 
this.
Also, please feel free to forward this link to anyone you feel may be 
interested in this information and supporting this petition.
THANKS!


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off topic /animal communicators article

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Hi all---the attached articleis off-topic, but as 
it's a subject that periodically comes up I thoughtit might nonetheless be 
of interest. It was publishedon a variety of dates inJanuary in a 
group of localChicago papers (including e.g.The Star, Daily Southtown) 
that I don't normally see, and passed on to me by a co-worker. (Interesting to 
note that Petco have hired an AC.) 
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RE: UTI's, drug dosages, and new research

Title: Message

Dear Michelle
Fingers already crossed for Lucy that the
vet's hunch is right. Kerry

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and new research
Well, I took Lucy in. She peed on the cushion in her carrier, with
blood in it. They were not able to get a needle sample, and did not even try,
because her bladder was so small. The vet scraped a slide of urine off the
cushion and looked at it under the microscope and said he saw bacteria and red
blood cells but no crystals. He seemed perplexed that the Baytril had not worked
yet, and switched her to Clavamox and told me to add 5 mg pred and 100 cc of sub
q fluids for 3 days. He felt her and could not feel any tumors, but said
tumors can sometimes be diffuse on the inside of the bladder wall, but said he
feels fairly certain this is just a UTI given how good she looks otherwise and
the fact that she had gained weight since her last visit. Please keep your
fingers crossed!
Thanks,
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RE: off topic /animal communicators article

You're welcome Nina!

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Thanks for passing that on Kerry.
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

 Hi all---the attached article is off-topic, but as it's a subject that

 periodically comes up I thought it might nonetheless be of interest. 
 It was published on a variety of dates in January in a group of 
 local Chicago papers (including e.g.The Star, Daily Southtown) that I 
 don't normally see, and passed on to me by a co-worker. (Interesting 
 to note that Petco have hired an AC.)
 Kerry
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RE: VO

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That is fabulous news Michelle---especially
in view of the most recent FDA scare.
SO gladto hear Simoncontinues to
do well. You have done/are doingan amazing job with him.
Kerry

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VO

Hopefully Simon's VO will be here 2/7! The FDA approval came by fax
on Monday, the oncologist faxed it to Abbey Vet immediately, and they say they
can have it here by Monday. I will let you all know what happens with
it. Simon is still doing really well, though still somewhat pale and not
eating normally (but at his blood work check today he had gained some weight
back and weighed in at 11.1 pounds, somehow, despite the fact that he only seems
to want to eat after 5 pm or so). If any of you want to try the VO, I
would recommend doing it now -- since the reason for the last moratorium on
special dispensationsis still a mystery, I think we should assume it could
happen again any time.
Thanks for all your support,
Michelle

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Michelle
Just got the confirmation here this morning,
filled it out and they will be shipping via air with an expected delivery date
of Feb 7th. Total cost was 377.42 UK Pounds Sterling. Will have to
calc the US dollar equivalent and we can pass it along to you as an
invoice. I have no interest in marking it up but we can get you the
syringes and such that you will need.
Fern's meds are here.
Jeff

RE: OT: What's you number?

I love your email Jenny--it's a keeper for my file! It will be an
inspiration for many occasions, including those times (like NOW) when I
feel I'm being clubbed on the head by vet bills.
I'm still chuckling at your first para.
I had a friend-and-former-colleague, who has a fear and dislike of cats
(yes, I know, incredible but true!) visit from London, England last
week. 
She's not a really close friend, so until a couple of weeks ago, when I
was obliged to explain to her why it might be preferable all round if
she stayed elsewhere, she did not know I had one cat, never mind 7,
including 4 FeLV pos who are quarantined in the guest room.
She came to dinner the first night, met my neg cats, and caught a
glimpse of one of the pos kitties when I opened the guest room door---as
they're feral they'd mostly run and hid as soon as they knew a stranger
was in the house.
Anyway, now my closely-guarded secret is out---we have numerous mutual
contacts in London, from my 'previous life' who have no idea I had
turned into a crazy catwoman. I know my friend only too well---she's
going to have a lot of fun regaling them about what's 'happened' to
Kerry.
She was quite touched actually by the FeLV situation (which surprised
me, knowing how much she feared and dislike cats), so I think she will
be quite kind at the same time. So hopefully homeless FeLV cats will get
some good 'press' in London.
Your mother sounds a lovely lady. Just like you!
Thanks for sharing!
Kerry
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Some members of my family are horrified. I have become what many women
fear, 
over 40, never married with 9 cats.  I love it. I am happy as a clam.
Life 
is good.

I do have the space for them. I have 10 acres but all of the kitties
spend 
as much time as they want in the house.  No one is positive yet.  If one

should go positive, they will be restricted to inside.

The funny thing is that I can't really say that 9 is too many.  It is
all I 
can afford and won't be getting any more but I can't do without any of
the 
ones I have.  My bills get high sometimes but my mother once told me,
my 
mother raised 9 kids during the depression, I have faith that you can
raise 
9 cats in better times.  It has been true.  By the grace of God and my 
perpetual budgeting, they get what they need.

9 sounds like a lot but each one is so precious that I can't imagine
life 
without any one of them.

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We've got 7 cats!  I *attempted* to put my foot down at 2, then 4, then

when we found out our kittens had FeLV, we weren't going to let them go

anywhere (we had homes for 3 of the 5...the crazy thing is, as they got

closer and closer to the age where they could be adopted out, I was
wishing 
for some way that we could keep them all...I just couldn't part with my

babies!  So

RE: OT: What's your number?

None of my business, Nina, I know, I know!!and I know from what
you've said that you have a very supportive husbandbut I still can't
stop myself saying don't neglect the husband!
Someone very dear to me just lost hers because he couldn't take 'being
bottom of the totem pole' any more. (The dogs have each other, right?!)
By the time they get to that stage, it's too darn late to make amends! 
Ok, I'll go back to minding my own business now! :) Kerry


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the crazy thing is, as they got closer and closer to the age where they
could be adopted out, I was wishing for some way that we could keep them
all...


Oh Jen, I know exactly what you're talking about!  Our situation is a
bit different in that we didn't learn that our bottle babies were +
until after 3 had been adopted out.  When we found out, we still had 3,
and we kept them.  What a joy it was/is to watch these 3 grow up
together.  

We have 7 cats and 4 dogs, every single one of them found us.  My limit
was 2 dogs and 2 cats.  Ha!  We really are restricted now, with FelV in
the house, 2 of the kittens (Jazz and Grace) are +, Tim, their brother,
has now tested negative!  The vet bills have been pretty astronomical
around here, we also have Gypsy, with IBD and our German Shepherd,
Zevon, is having trouble with his hind legs.  We really can't afford the
ones we've got, let alone think about adopting more.  I do feel guilty
sometimes because I'm spread so thin.  The cats don't seem to have a
problem, they all end up on my lap at one time or another during the day
and none of them seems too starved for attention.  It's the dogs and my
husband that feel neglected the most.  I just don't have the time to
commit to them that I used to.

Nina



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RE: Say a prayer for Jazz update on Gypsy

Consider it done, Nina---good luck to you and Jazz when you see the vet.
I'm very glad to hear Gypsy's doing well. Your kitties couldn't wish for
a better home. Kerry

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Subject: Say a prayer for Jazz  update on Gypsy

Well, here we go again, it's a wonder any of us have any fingernails 
left!  Yesterday while petting Jazzy, I felt a strange 'cartilage-like' 
lump on her throat.  It doesn't seem to bother her to touch it and she's

eating and swallowing fine.  She had a hard lump on her forehead when 
she was little that just went away as she grew.  I'm hoping it's nothing

to worry about.  I've made an appointment at my vet's for her.  Please 
say a prayer that it turns out to be nothing to be concerned over.  I 
woke up crying this morning thinking about the possibility of losing her

and the futility of fighting so much disease.  Sometimes I get so tired 
of dealing with illness.  I shouldn't complain, I have had so much 
success and so many blessings.  While I was crying into my husband's 
shoulder, he gently reminded me that, of course, everything dies, how 
we've given them a loving, happy home, and how the odds that they'd 
still be here without us are slim to say the least.  When I'm worried 
about losing my babies, those arguments, while valid, just don't bring 
that much comfort.

On the brighter side, Gypsy is doing so much better!  She still has the 
IBD symptoms, but she's eating better, and she's using the litter box 
less often.  Now, if she'd just firm up those poops and put on some
weight!

Thanks for caring,
Nina

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stretching the $$$

I'm taking inspiration from you too today Faye--if you can eat Ramen for
5 months then I can surely live on pasta till May.
I think we could all get together and come up with a bestselling Frugal
Catlover's Guide.
Kerry

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This has been a horrendously expensive year for the cats. I neutered and

spayed 6 cats. Vaccinated them and Felv/Fiv tested them. That ran into
about 
$2000. They all had eye infections when they came and I have had a
tapeworm 
epidemic.  I have spent over $1400 on Advantage. (I will be ordering
from 
Australia next spring).   In August, Magellan had his weird 
pneumonia/lungworm mess and that cost $1000.  I had an outbreak of URIs
with 
3 cats getting sick.  The frequent dewormings at the vet (until I could
get 
praziqiantel over the counter) was $400 a month.  My food bill averages 
about $175-250 a month.  Magellan got diarrhea and needed a vet visit
along 
with FELV test.

My head swims when I think about it all. For a person that does not have
a 
single positive cat, this has been unbelievable.   I got through it
though.  
I ate Ramen noodles for 5 months but I got through it.  Everything is
paid 
in full.  My crew is bright eyed and bush tailed.

I am biased but I think they are drop dead gorgeous too.

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RE: OT: What's your number?

Thanks---glad I didn't offend! Kerry

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Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:44 PM
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No, Kerry, you're absolutely right! 
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

None of my business, Nina, I know, I know!!and I know from what
you've said that you have a very supportive husbandbut I still
can't
stop myself saying don't neglect the husband!
Someone very dear to me just lost hers because he couldn't take 'being
bottom of the totem pole' any more. (The dogs have each other, right?!)
By the time they get to that stage, it's too darn late to make amends! 
Ok, I'll go back to minding my own business now! :) Kerry

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:05 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: OT: What's your number?

the crazy thing is, as they got closer and closer to the age where
they
could be adopted out, I was wishing for some way that we could keep
them
all...

Oh Jen, I know exactly what you're talking about!  Our situation is a
bit different in that we didn't learn that our bottle babies were +
until after 3 had been adopted out.  When we found out, we still had 3,
and we kept them.  What a joy it was/is to watch these 3 grow up
together.  

We have 7 cats and 4 dogs, every single one of them found us.  My limit
was 2 dogs and 2 cats.  Ha!  We really are restricted now, with FelV in
the house, 2 of the kittens (Jazz and Grace) are +, Tim, their brother,
has now tested negative!  The vet bills have been pretty astronomical
around here, we also have Gypsy, with IBD and our German Shepherd,
Zevon, is having trouble with his hind legs.  We really can't afford
the
ones we've got, let alone think about adopting more.  I do feel guilty
sometimes because I'm spread so thin.  The cats don't seem to have a
problem, they all end up on my lap at one time or another during the
day
and none of them seems too starved for attention.  It's the dogs and my
husband that feel neglected the most.  I just don't have the time to
commit to them that I used to.

Nina

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RE: makes you feel so helpless

Title: Message



thanks for the chuckle 
Michelle!

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PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: makes you feel so 
helpless
Oddly enough, Lucy actually seems to feel fine other than peeing frequently 
and having some blood in her urine. She is eating well, playing, purring, and 
generally acting like herself, not at all like she is in pain. I have had UTI's 
and I have not felt like playing! So I don't know...
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RE: UTI's

no, thanking you for the laugh, again! kerry

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Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 4:14 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: UTI's

Here's another off the wall suggestion...  If the litter box Lucy is 
using is in the bathroom, you might try it.  I want you to know, I 
wouldn't share this with anyone other than those on this list...  I find

that my kitties use the litter box after a) I've just cleaned it, 
(sometimes while I'm cleaning it), and b) when I'm going to the bathroom

myself!  I don't know if it's because I'm their surrogate mom, (I've had

them since they were only 2 1/2 weeks old), or it's just some sort of 
natural comaraderie thing.  I can just hear everyone thanking me for the

visual!
Nina

Nina wrote:

 Well, there's an exercise in frustration for you.  I don't like the 
 idea of them having to extract the urine sample from the bladder, it 
 seems very stressful to put her through that.  I'd avoid it, if I 
 could.  Don't wait too long though.  I'd put some sort of time limit 
 on giving the things you're trying time to work.  If it's possible to 
 know exactly why Lucy's experiencing these symptoms, there may be a 
 relatively quick fix.  I'm sorry I didn't do some more drastic 
 intervention with Gypsy when she was healthier.  I wish I had a 
 reliable crystal ball to help me make some of the decisions around
here.
 Nina

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 It's a good idea. I'll try it if I have to, if the Baytril does not 
 do the trick.  The problem is I need to sit with her and wait, 
 because she is with 2 others and I do not want to sample their urine 
 instead.  I waited over 30 minutes with the Nosorb pellets and I 
 could tell she really needed to go, but she refused until I finally 
 put her litter back and then she ran in the box and went.
 Michelle

 In a message dated 2/2/05 3:03:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Chris' answer reminded me of something Sally had suggested when I
 was
 trying in vain to get a liquid stool sample from Gypsy.  Because
the
 litter was too absorbent, she suggested using tiny aquarium
 stones in
 the litter box.  Do you think Lucy would comply with that?
 Nina

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RE: Just thought you could use a laugh

2005-02-01 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message



Sweet!!!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:58 
AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: OT: Just thought you 
could use a laugh
Sorry for the first blank post

I was working in my office when I hear acrash in the dining room, now 
everyone knows morning time is when cats go nuts, so I rush in to see what 
happened. I find my puzzel all over the place, I just started (thank god) a 1000 
piece puzzel, I just finished the edges and I walk in to find 3 of my 5 looking 
as innocent as can bethey would be pointing a paw at one another if they 
could. So I start whisteling and putting the pieces back together, all the while 
Cady my youngest thinks it is a game and she is batting pieces around the floor 
and taking them into different rooms for me to find. Needless to say I am not 
sure I have all the peices, but I guess I will not know until I finish 
it..Thought you guys would appreciate that ;-))
Have a purrfect day
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RE: Just thought you could use a laugh

2005-02-01 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message



that's 
hilarious!

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara 
sticklerSent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:27 PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Just thought you could use a 
laugh
TOO FUNNY! And here I thought I was the only one!

I took up sculpting after Coebeio developed a prosessive facination with my 
expensive paintbrushes and at odd moments would be seen carrying one down the 
hall from my studio, or coming out of the studio covered in paint! 

Problem is NOW I look down to find her twirrling a sculpting knife back and 
forth across her feet will laying belly up on the floor! Talk about nearly 
having a heart-attack!!!

(I think she's secretly trying to kill me) :)
TCherie A Gabbert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I would have to say serious reality issues, they just did it again and I 
  fixed it again.TenHouseCats 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  doing 
a puzzle around cats--is that the mark of a total optimist or the sign 
of serious reality issues (says the woman who tries to do intricate 
beading around hers worst thing is that the time a full kilo of seed 
beads got dumped into my keyboard, it wasn't the cats but ME who did the 
deed now if i could only get them to fetch the size/colors i need on 
command...)MC


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RE: Just thought you could use a laugh

2005-02-01 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message

Hope
Effie feels better very soon, Del. Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Del
DanielsSent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:09 PMTo:
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Just thought you could use a
laugh
Puzzles can be worked with cats around IF you are
persistent and patient. Hubby made a board for me, a bit larger than the
puzzle with a rim around the four sides. It can slide underneath the couch
when I'm not working on it. Last time I used it I kept it on a table and
covered it with a large sheet of plastic. I have a Hallmark of cats given
to me years ago and I put it together every year, good stress reliever.
Does anyone else have this puzzle? All cats and some beautiful flowers. I
did it inearly January but am thinking about doing it again in Effie's
room, she likes to help when she feels better (she had chemo this
morningfor lymphomaand feels a bit funky right now).

Del

- Original Message -
From:
Cherie A
Gabbert
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:57
AM
Subject: OT: Just thought you could use a
laugh

Sorry for the first blank post

I was working in my office when I hear acrash in the dining room,
now everyone knows morning time is when cats go nuts, so I rush in to see what
happened. I find my puzzel all over the place, I just started (thank god) a
1000 piece puzzel, I just finished the edges and I walk in to find 3 of my 5
looking as innocent as can bethey would be pointing a paw at one another
if they could. So I start whisteling and putting the pieces back together, all
the while Cady my youngest thinks it is a game and she is batting pieces
around the floor and taking them into different rooms for me to find. Needless
to say I am not sure I have all the peices, but I guess I will not know until
I finish it..Thought you guys would appreciate that ;-))
Have a purrfect day
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RE: Contest Winner Kitten Trio...it's over!

2005-01-31 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message

Well done to you and the kitties, Terrie!
Kerry

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AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
felvtalk@vlists.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: OT:Contest Winner "Kitten
Trio"...it's over!

YAY it's over and I thank you all
for voting for the kitties!
We did it!!! I'm
thrilled pink...
First time in this contest kitties
have won!
WOOHOO!!!

In a message dated 1/30/2005 10:05:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi Terrie

Congrats, your kitty trio took first place in the "Rescued Pet
Contest".

Please let me know where to mail your bags of Chickee Treats!

Hugs
Sonja
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

These are rescue Siamese
kitties. The big one is Vinnie he was rescued in Bremerton, WA. age 4yrs
old. The kitten is Dukee he was rescued in Lynden, WA. he is 6 months old
now.The one peering in is Tazzy he was rescued in St. Helens, OR. he is 2yrs
old
They are all neutered male
kitties. They all sleep together, play togetherand bathe each other.
They are like the Three Musketeers where you find one you find the other
two.
I have chosen these guys to be
my family members. They get the best of everything. I will admit I have
spoiled them.

Today is the last day for voting for these
"Meezers"Vote for my Rescue Siameses "KITTEN TRIO" it's a race. http://www.pnwanimaladoption.com/contest.html
Terrie MohrCheck site for available
Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE
RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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RE: Smokey update....

Title: Message

I am so sorry Terrie. It's awful to watch an
ailing animal. I'm praying for Smokey. love, kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:39
AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Smokey
update
Hi all,
Thought I would
drop a few lines. I got Smokey to drink alittle Tuna juice in water last night.
He is holding on his own. He isn't doing any grooming either. So in a bit will
try to get him to eat again and wash his face. He still has the discharge coming
out of his eyes. Very hollow looking. Still walking alittle but not much too
weak.

Vote for
my Rescue Siameses "KITTEN TRIO" it's a race please continue voting daily.
http://www.pnwanimaladoption.com/contest.html
Terrie MohrCheck site for available
Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE
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RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

Title: Message

Thanks
Cherie. Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A
GabbertSent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:00 PMTo:
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of
the litter boxes
We all are praying he is ok when you get home, Kerry.
My thoughts are with youCherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks Michelle---I'll be checking on him
as soon as I get home from work. I'm taking your email from yesterday to the
vet with me, along with the report from last weeks vet. Praying he's ok when I
get home.
Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:50
AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi not eating,
sitting in one of the litter boxes
Kerry, is there any way you can get him to the vet today instead of
tomorrow? If it is something that can be helped with steroids you should get
them into him right away with a shot of dexamethasone. It is possible
that Levi's time is close and he can not be helped, but it is also possible
that he can be helped. Remember that Simon did not eat a thing for 2 days and
could not even stand in the litter box (I had to hold him up) during those
days that I thought he was dying.
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RE: Belinda - CLS - Grayson

Title: Message



I'm 
so, so sorry Joan. Grayson was clearly a wonderful little soul with a beautiful 
personality. You must miss him very much indeed. Please know I'm thinking of 
you, love, Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan 
DoljanSent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:04 AMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Belinda - CLS - 
Grayson
Belinda,

Please add my first cat and my first FIV+ cat, Grayson to the CLS. He 
died on Sunday morning on January 23rd during the blizzard. He was the 
most intelligent, sweetest, gentlest, happiest, lovingyoung man I had the 
pleasure to know. He was the alpha cat in my household and always ruled 
with a gentle paw. He will be sorely missed. He was losing weight 
and had an appointment today at the vet. I suspect he died of a heart 
attack. He was 10 years old. Except for dental work he had never 
been ill.

Thank you,

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RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

Title: Message



Thanks 
Cherie. I'm torn--he so obviously doesn't want it. But yes, i will try the nose 
idea. He's feral, and he's got enough energy to still hiss at me and let me know 
I'm out of line. Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A 
GabbertSent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:13 AMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi not eating, sitting in one of 
the litter boxes
I am just catching up, have you tried a tounge depressor to put food in his 
mouth or put some on the tip of his nose and he will lick it off. Sitting in the 
litter box, could mean he is having problems going to the bathroom, but it also 
could mean it is close. The reason why they sit in it is because it is secure 
with the four walls surrounding them, gives them comfort. Good luck, you guys 
are in my thoughts.
Cherie
Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  

  Thanks very much Chris. I'll print this off 
  tomorrow.
  I just went in to see Levi and play with the others (they'd 
  already discovered the new toy I bought on Friday and managed to unwrap it, 
  but just couldn't unclip it from the packaging!). Anyway, Levis is now sitting 
  in one of the litter boxes. He's been there for at least half an hour now. I 
  know that's not good. I'd welcome any info/comments. He's still alert, but not 
  eating. I pray he's drinking. The vet did say his kidneys and liver were fine, 
  but how long can that last with so little food? The last big helping he had of 
  sour cream was this morning--probably about 2 tablespoons. What if he doesn't 
  eat tomorrow? Can he last till Wed morning?
  thanks in advance again, Kerry
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Chris 

To: felvtalk@vlists.net 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:16 
PM
Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?


Its Ace 
Promazine-10mg. You could check doseage as I used 1 pill (theyre 
small) that I put in Pill Pocket. First time I gave it to him about 1 
½ hours before we were to leave  though it helped me get him in big 
crate that I had, it wasnt too much help at vet. By the time I 
got home, however, he really was very mellow  it turned out to be the 
first time I could clip his nails. Next time, I gave it to him about 3 
hours before we were to leave. By this point, he had taken to sleeping 
on my bed  I put this soft sided carrier I have up there next to him, 
and he sort of went in to sleep by himself. Once I knew he was asleep, 
I just quietly  quickly zipped up the opening. He wasnt happy 
but so mellow that he just went back to sleep, Vet visit was a whole 
lot easier. Big Boy will let me! do just about anything to him except 
pick him up to hold him or trim his nails so the Ace really came in 
handy. Vet gave me a small supply so I have in case of 
emergency. After effects were just that he was staggering a little but 
he ate, went to the box when we got home  then just slept thru the 
night. Its not a drug that will knock him out, just sort of makes him 
a little groggy  mellow. Wish I had some of that when he goes to 
the vet!


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Monday, January 
24, 2005 5:26 PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?


Yes, 
that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do 
a trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about 
picking up the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vetsomehow. 
Thanks! Kerry
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:20 
PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?
It is 
virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, 
ace something or otherI give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before  put 
the carrier on the bed where he generally sleepsI think that because the 
pill makes him a little groggy  he curls up inside the carrier  
falls asleep. The doseage is never enough to knock him out or 
anything, just sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he 
doesnt like to do (like the carrierwhich of course, he knows means the 
vet!). Maybe you can ask your vet about it. I can look up the 
name  doseage if it will help


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Monday, January 
24, 2005 12:38 PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?


On 
the basis of your very helpful and

RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

Title: Message



PS...no meds. He won't take anything now, including the interferon. 


-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: 
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:30 AMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi not eating, sitting in one of 
the litter boxesOh Kerry, I know how upset you must 
be. What medications is he on? I know that Doxycycline helped Grace 
battle her way back from whatever infection she was fighting, the extensive 
blood work we did never revealed what it was. I know how hard it is to 
watch helplessly. Sally and I were just discussing the effects of negative 
thinking. Some people believe that our sick animals pick up on our 
emotions and when we focus on the worry that they're dieing, they think that's 
what's expected. I don't know if that's true, or not, it certainly could 
be. I do know that it's important to check that unhappy energy at the 
door, before we interact with them. It can't do them any good to see us 
all torn up. I know how hard it is, but try to be calm, being upbeat is 
even better. Tell him he's going to get better. Try to believe it 
yourself. Visualize him romping and playing again. Stranger things 
have happened. Believe in the possibility and tell him to 
fight!Much love to you, I know how you're 
suffering,NinaKerry MacKenzie wrote:

  
  

  Thanks very much Chris. I'll print this off 
  tomorrow.
  I just went in to see Levi and play with the others (they'd 
  already discovered the new toy I bought on Friday and managed to unwrap it, 
  but just couldn't unclip it from the packaging!). Anyway, Levis is now sitting 
  in one of the litter boxes. He's been there for at least half an hour now. I 
  know that's not good. I'd welcome any info/comments. He's still alert, but not 
  eating. I pray he's drinking. The vet did say his kidneys and liver were fine, 
  but how long can that last with so little food? The last big helping he had of 
  sour cream was this morning--probably about 2 tablespoons. What if he doesn't 
  eat tomorrow? Can he last till Wed morning?
  thanks in advance again, Kerry
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Chris 

To: 
felvtalk@vlists.net 
Sent: 
Monday, January 24, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: 
RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?


Its Ace 
Promazine-10mg. You could check doseage as I used 1 pill (theyre 
small) that I put in Pill Pocket. First time I gave it to him about 1 
½ hours before we were to leave  though it helped me get him in big 
crate that I had, it wasnt too much help at vet. By the time I 
got home, however, he really was very mellow  it turned out to be the 
first time I could clip his nails. Next time, I gave it to him about 3 
hours before we were to leave. By this point, he had taken to sleeping 
on my bed  I put this soft sided carrier I have up there next to him, 
and he sort of went in to sleep by himself. Once I knew he was asleep, 
I just quietly  quickly zipped up the opening. He wasnt happy 
but so mellow that he just went back to sleep, Vet visit was a whole 
lot easier. Big Boy will let me do just about anything to him except 
pick him up to hold him or trim his nails so the Ace really came in 
handy. Vet gave me a small supply so I have in case of 
emergency. After effects were just that he was staggering a little but 
he ate, went to the box when we got home  then just slept thru the 
night. Its not a drug that will knock him out, just sort of makes him 
a little groggy  mellow. Wish I had some of that when he goes to 
the vet!


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Monday, January 
24, 2005 5:26 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?


Yes, 
that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do 
a trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about 
picking up the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vetsomehow. 
Thanks! Kerry
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:20 
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?
It is 
virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, 
ace something or otherI give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before  put 
the carrier on the bed where he generally sleepsI think that because the 
pill makes him a little groggy  he curls up inside the carrier  
falls asleep. The doseage is never enough to knock him out or 
anything, just sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he 
doesnt like to do (like the carrierwhich of course, he knows means the

RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

Title: Message



Thanks 
NinaI made sure I was upbeat this am. He still didn't eat. He was out of the 
litter box and back in the file cabinet. He did stand next to the carrier at one 
point (after I put the tops and catnip in). I hope it won't be too stressful for 
him taking him to the vet tomorrow. Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: 
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:30 AMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi not eating, sitting in one of 
the litter boxesOh Kerry, I know how upset you must 
be. What medications is he on? I know that Doxycycline helped Grace 
battle her way back from whatever infection she was fighting, the extensive 
blood work we did never revealed what it was. I know how hard it is to 
watch helplessly. Sally and I were just discussing the effects of negative 
thinking. Some people believe that our sick animals pick up on our 
emotions and when we focus on the worry that they're dieing, they think that's 
what's expected. I don't know if that's true, or not, it certainly could 
be. I do know that it's important to check that unhappy energy at the 
door, before we interact with them. It can't do them any good to see us 
all torn up. I know how hard it is, but try to be calm, being upbeat is 
even better. Tell him he's going to get better. Try to believe it 
yourself. Visualize him romping and playing again. Stranger things 
have happened. Believe in the possibility and tell him to 
fight!Much love to you, I know how you're 
suffering,NinaKerry MacKenzie wrote:

  
  

  Thanks very much Chris. I'll print this off 
  tomorrow.
  I just went in to see Levi and play with the others (they'd 
  already discovered the new toy I bought on Friday and managed to unwrap it, 
  but just couldn't unclip it from the packaging!). Anyway, Levis is now sitting 
  in one of the litter boxes. He's been there for at least half an hour now. I 
  know that's not good. I'd welcome any info/comments. He's still alert, but not 
  eating. I pray he's drinking. The vet did say his kidneys and liver were fine, 
  but how long can that last with so little food? The last big helping he had of 
  sour cream was this morning--probably about 2 tablespoons. What if he doesn't 
  eat tomorrow? Can he last till Wed morning?
  thanks in advance again, Kerry
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Chris 

To: 
felvtalk@vlists.net 
Sent: 
Monday, January 24, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: 
RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?


Its Ace 
Promazine-10mg. You could check doseage as I used 1 pill (theyre 
small) that I put in Pill Pocket. First time I gave it to him about 1 
½ hours before we were to leave  though it helped me get him in big 
crate that I had, it wasnt too much help at vet. By the time I 
got home, however, he really was very mellow  it turned out to be the 
first time I could clip his nails. Next time, I gave it to him about 3 
hours before we were to leave. By this point, he had taken to sleeping 
on my bed  I put this soft sided carrier I have up there next to him, 
and he sort of went in to sleep by himself. Once I knew he was asleep, 
I just quietly  quickly zipped up the opening. He wasnt happy 
but so mellow that he just went back to sleep, Vet visit was a whole 
lot easier. Big Boy will let me do just about anything to him except 
pick him up to hold him or trim his nails so the Ace really came in 
handy. Vet gave me a small supply so I have in case of 
emergency. After effects were just that he was staggering a little but 
he ate, went to the box when we got home  then just slept thru the 
night. Its not a drug that will knock him out, just sort of makes him 
a little groggy  mellow. Wish I had some of that when he goes to 
the vet!


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Monday, January 
24, 2005 5:26 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?


Yes, 
that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do 
a trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about 
picking up the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vetsomehow. 
Thanks! Kerry
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:20 
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?
It is 
virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, 
ace something or otherI give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before  put 
the carrier on the bed where he generally sleepsI think that because the 
pill makes him a little groggy  he curls up inside the carrier

RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?

Title: Message



Thanks Michelle--I appreciate that. I can 
prob get some tonight in that case. Kerry
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:29 
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?
Kerry, you should be able to get Pet Tinic and Nutrical, or equivalents, at 
any vet office over the counter. I would try your own vet first, but other 
clinics should sell them to you because they are not prescription items.
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RE: Smokey is hanging on....sorry so long

Title: Message

Dear Terrie
Givesweet Smokey a cyberhug from me.
I'm so glad you can be with him 24 hours.
Sending lots of positive vibes, amd praying
he goes painlessly and peacefully and on his terms.
take care, Kerry

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onsorry so long
Hi all,
Smokey is still
here with us. He is eating very little and drinking. Been giving him whatever he
wants. His favorite is cheese he has turned that down. I pulled his skin up and
it fell back down so that told me he still has fluids in him.

(don't want to subject him to
subQing)
Basically, what I'm seeing is he
is doing alot of sleeping and very weak when he trys to walk which is very
little. I've also noticed his eye sockets are getting hollow or that sunken in
look. Has a greenish/yellow discharge coming out as well.
Someone mentioned on the list
recently about giving valium to helpa kitty pass to the bridge. What
dosage was it and what kind will do it.I'm curious don't think I could do
it
Smokey isn't in any pain.

I wouldn't allow that, if I seen
it I would have my Vet help him cross over.
I have spent most of my time with
him in my computer room that has a bed too, so I can be near him if he needs me.
I don't want him to be by himself. I have confined the doorway (baby gate) so
the dogs can't come in and if he decides to wander off. There is plenty of
food/water/litterbox plus his bed is in here. He still has the company of the
other kitties. They are jumping over the barrier to come in. I decided against
the open crate.
My daughter called me today to
check on him as well. Her husband is the one that is in Iraq on his second tour
he is part of the MediVac Team on the helicopters. Sheand my grandbaby
arein CO.
She was 10 yrs old when we got
Smokey...his nickname from her was "Dokey"
Thanks for all your kind words,
thoughts, prayers, and vibes for Smokey. I just want him to go
peacefully :(

Sorry for babbling
on...

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RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?

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I'm very grateful for your feedback
Michelle. I feel better about the sour cream now. Yes, I made sure it was whole
milk.
I'll keep you posted. Kerry

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Kerry,
First, in terms of the sour cream-- Simon went a
few days where that was basically all her ate too, so I would not worry about
that. It's very fatty, if it is whole milk sour cream, which is good. The
most important thing short-term, I think, is getting calories into him.
In terms of his anemia and how bad he feels... is there
any way to get him a diagnosis? Sue on this list said that her cat had
anemia from teh FeLV and depomedrol (steroid) shots completely resolved
it. The anemia was from her cat killing her own red blood cells, and the
depomedrol stopped that. If the anemia is from lymphoma, then steroids, or
chemo if you are up to it, can also help enormously. Simon's hematocrit
was down that low for a while, and still could be though I think he looks pinker
now and is definitely more energetic. If it is from hemobartenella (sp?)
then antibiotics could completely resolve it. If it has anything to do with his
kidneys, Procrit or Epogen could help. There is also the chance, of
course, that nothing can be done and it is just degenerative from the FeLV, but
it is impossible to know this based on the information you currently have from
your vet. If he is feral, then I know that makes any diagnosis or
treatment challenging, but if it is possible to get more information from your
vet or another (did the vet check for hemobartanella? is lymphoma possible? is
it possible he is killing his own rbc's?) If it really seems like he is
plummeting, and especially if you are considering euthanasia, I would highly
recommend you try a steroid shot or two first to see if they help. I would
give a dexamethasone shot, which is fast-acting, along with a longer-acting and
slower-to-set-in shot of Depomedrol. I think it is the combination of
these shots that brought Simon back, at least temporarily, from the
Precipice.

Take care,
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RE: Is FeLV really the WORST?

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Dear 
Cherie
I just 
wanted to say, I'm so sorry about your daughter. I cannot imagine how that must 
have been for you. You are very brave abd strong to have come through it, and to 
still have so much compassion for other creatures.
much 
love, Kerry

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WORST?
Thank you, I have had a few years to cope with it better.
CherieFaye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Cherie,I 
  am also sorry about your child. That is a terrible tragedy. That is said 
  to be the worst tragedy a person can go through and I have no doubt it 
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  07:39:05.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D803940:01C5011E]Thank 
  yo! u, I am much better now :-)), takes some time to get over but, 
  needless to say it is hard to loose anyone and pets and people in my 
  book are one and the same.Thanks 
  againCherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a 
  message dated 1/22/2005 4:37:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Snowball was playing and eating 
  with the bleeding so it just was one of those things. Not to mention 
  my daughter (age 1) bled to death in my arms, many years 
  ago.CHERIE OMG how horrible..no wonder 
  Snowball dieing like he did was so scary for youI am sorry about 
  your little girl...Lisaand 
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RE: Check out Whose Drool Rules Contest

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Terrie---It told me the same thing---valid radio station needed.
Kerry

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GabbertSent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:32 AMTo:
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Check out Whose Drool Rules
Contest
I am having a problem voting, I can not log in, it says it needs to be
froma valid radio station.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,
Just found
out about this contest. :( Might be too late. I've
entered my Collie named Shenade. Please vote for her!
Don't forget to vote for the
kitties!
Please forward to others so they
can vote for both.

(Julie Tiff)

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RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?

Title: Message

No, it's the side I can see that has the
bald patch. I haven't tried to hold him, or turn him. He's feral, and did
hiss at me once yesterday. Sorry...what d'you mean by brain fart?
Kerry

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AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Kerry, how is Levi
today?

In a message dated 1/24/2005 1:25:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please keep Levi in your
thoughts. It'snot been a good weekend for him, and I'm very afraid for
him.Thanks for all your support. It means such a
lot.Kerry
Kerry,
is he laying exclusivly on that one side?It may be bed soars
(so?) brain fart..sorry!!! ANYWAYS..if that is the ONLY spot loosing
hair that is what I would think

RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?

Title: Message

On the basis of your very helpful and
specificemail Michelle I've made an apptment on Wed morning with the best
doctor I've found so far for my ferals. I'm going to take the blood report
that the housecall vet faxed and your email with me.
I just hope I can get him into the carrier,
and without too much stress. (I guess if he is feisty tho, then that's a good
sign.)
The housecall vet did mention steroids when
pressed by me, but she added they take 6-8 weeks to kick in?
Is that correct?
I wish I hada tape of our
conversation. So much of it is over my head. It feels like wading thru glue
sometimes, just to get a clear picture of what's possible/viable.
Kerry

RE: Simon's a-romping in the snow

Great news, Michelle! Good for Simon. He is one plucky little survivor.
love, Kerry

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Subject: Simon's a-romping in the snow

Simon has been eating well, actually eating more cat food than other
things, 
and went out in the snow last night and just now, walking on the paths
we 
shoveled and loving it.  Gray took a picture of him wide-eyed and
surrounded by 
high walls of snow (it must be about 2 feet deep here and still coming
down!).  
He came in, washed himself, ate some fancy feast, and is sitting by the
wood 
stove looking pleased as pie.  I am so grateful he has this time.  He
has an 
appointment to get Adriamycin for the first time on Thursday morning, if
his 
blood work is good enough.  Please keep fingers and toes crossed.
Michelle

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RE: Levi's result

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The 
toxic term--now I'm not sure what the vet meant. Because she said on saturday 
that his kidneys and liver are 'fine' (which is great news).
His 
problem is anemia; that much I know. And he doesn't move voluntarily now. 
Kerry

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:31 AMTo: 
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Kerry,

If your vet is saying "toxic", I assume that to mean kidneys. That 
means lots of fluids to flush out the kidneys. If you can't give fluids 
(I've had ferals. I know how that goes.) you might try letting the water 
drip from the sink or getting one of those 'kitty fountains'. 

My cat who had kidney disease loved to drink water from those and would 
drink more that way without me having to give him fluids as often.

Also, use more canned food. It has more water content. You 
could actually water it down a bit to get more fluids in if he'll eat it.

Try tuna juice, chicken broth etc... He needs fluids as much as the food 
right now if the kidneys are involved

tKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  

  
  I don't know about feline interferon. I give the humaninterferon in 
  their dishes, and do my best to make sure each cat takes one 'helping'.
  Yes, all5 of my 'foster' cats are feral. 4 are FeLV pos and 1 is 
  neg.
  Giving subQ fluids is very stressful for all of them. 
  I really don't want to repeat it. (Right now Levi is not dehydrated 
  fortunately.)The subQ fluidsdidn't help Caramel ultimately, and 
  the business of catching him put them all, and him most of all, thru 
  tremendous stress.
  I'm convinced that(the stress) played a big part in diminishing 
  alltheir appetites. So where feral is concerned, I'm not keen on doing 
  any more subQs.
  Kerry
  
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Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:47 
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Subject: Re: Levi's result

I think that feline interferon is giving with sub-q injections, isn't 
it?

Is Levi feral?

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RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?

Title: Message



ah-thanks! I thought you were referring 
to Levi, and it was something I shd know! Kerry

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today?


In a message dated 1/24/2005 12:30:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry...what d'you mean by brain fart? 
  Kerry
that what I call it when I cant remember something I REALLY should 
knowand I KNOW I really should know it...its like when you try to remember 
something..you know you know it.. it is on the tip of your tounge..but you just 
can't get it outthat's a "Brain fart"

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
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RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?

Title: Message

I am beginning to wonder about the housecall
vet. Maybe I misunderstood her, but I don't think so.
Yes, i have both R Remedy and Feliway to
hand. I will def use your advice on Wed morning. I'll be starting
early..
kerry

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AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Kerry, how is Levi
today?

6-8 weeks is a bizarre statement-- i do not know of any steroids that take
that long. Prednisone pills take a few days, Depomedrol shots can take a
few days, and Dexamethasone shots usually kick in within 24 hours (hence the
strategy of combining dex and depo shots-- so the dex works while the depo is
kicking in, and because it is short-lived it is out of the system by the time
the depo really kicks in).

In terms of getting him into the carrier... I have had good luck using
Feliway spray and Recue Remedy. You probably know Feliway already. I spray
the inside of a carrier and heavily spray the towel or bed I put in the
carrier. It seems to calm them a lot. Rescue Remedy is a Bach Flower
Essence calming remedy, available at health food stores and online. You
can rub a few drops on the inside of his ears if he will let you (I realize that
is tricky with ferals). Putting something sprayed with Feliway next to him
about 20 minutes before putting him in the carrier can also help to calm
him.

These things seem to work for me, but I have not used them with feral
cats.

Michelle

In a message dated 1/24/05 12:38:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

On the basis of your very helpful and
specificemail Michelle I've made an apptment on Wed morning with the
best doctor I've found so far for my ferals. I'm going to take the blood
report that the housecall vet faxed and your email with me.
I just hope I can get him into the
carrier, and without too much stress. (I guess if he is feisty tho, then
that's a good sign.)
The housecall vet did mention steroids
when pressed by me, but she added they take 6-8 weeks to kick in?
Is that correct?
I wish I hada tape of our
conversation. So much of it is over my head. It feels like wading thru glue
sometimes, just to get a clear picture of what's possible/viable.
Kerry

RE: Update on Leeloo

Title: Message

A
quick Q---Levi's problem is anemia, and all he will eat is sour cream.

Is there anything
I could hide in sour cream that will help the
anemia?
Pet
Tinic? Hi Vite? I've never used either.
Thanks
in advance everyone. kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent:
Saturday, January 22, 2005 2:44 AMTo:
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Update on Leeloo
The bloodwork would tell you if the anemia is nonregenerative or not.

It has a lot of nutrients and she can lap at it like water. You could
also mix some nutracal with it watered down so it would be easier for her to
take.

tonyaSteve Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I
took Leeloo to the vet yesterday and was prepared (well, not quite) to
lether go, but was assured she wasn't in pain, so I continue. She had
justgone down hill so quickly. It seemed as soon as a wrote an email to
thelist, she got even weaker.Just as some of you suggested, Leeloo
was severely anemic. I told the doc Ihad been (trying) to syringe food and
water, mostly water and explained thatshe fought it and got so out of
breath from even the small syringed amount Igave her. He explained that
the anemia was not letting oxygen getdistributed through the body via the
blood, so she was out of breath by eventhe smallest amount of exertion. He
suggested I give here only a few dropsof water, then wait, and repeat very
very often. This worked SO MUCHbetter--I was feeling so bad at the
struggle and exertion she was goingthrough. I ! was so clueless about
anemia and this little bit of info was sohelpful to know. Her temp was
also very low. The vet also gave me NutriCalto feed her.This
morning, she actually will drink some water! This hasn't happened inabout
three days on her own. However, after a few laps of water, she goesinto
heavy breathing for 10 or 15 seconds. I wait, offer her the wateragain
after a bit, and she drinks a little bit more. I also tried a verytiny
amount of baby food, and she did lap at it! But once again, after afew
laps... heavy breathing. I mixed a tiny bit of NutriCal in with thebaby
food and she ate the tiny bit, mostly off my finger. She pees, so herliver
is still working, though sometimes pees on were she is lying. I havea nest
built for her. I have a hot pad with a blanket on top formed into anest,
then a towel on top. I change the towel whenever she pees on it.Sometimes
I time it right and carry her to the cat box and she willsometimes
pee.I'm thinking at this point, I can give her enough water on
constant vigil.Thank you very very much Sally from San Jose for offering
to help with SubQfluids, but I think I can do the water successfully as I
am able to be withLeeloo all day long every day. I may call upon you yet
for help (Sallylives probably 40 minutes away from me).So much for the
water, but I feel giving Leeloo enough food may be a problemwithout
over-taxing her system. I will try carefully and see what I can do.We
have been having some beautiful warm sunny days here in the Santa
Cruz,California area. Two days ago, I opened the door onto the deck
andsurprisingly Leeloo hopped out. She immediately started licking the
wooddeck (she couldn't hop out to the deck now though). I have been
reading theSimon and Levi emails where Pica was mentioned... yet another
confirmationof anemia.I asked the vet about getting blood work a!
nd he said I would have to goelsewhere to do it! He is a mobile vet and is
very inexpensive and hasother facilities where is does surgeries,
spades/neuters. But, I guess youhave to be affiliated with veterinarian
hospital facilities? Anyway, I getthe feeling if go down that road, things
start to get very expensive. Shehas anemia, what else would the blood work
tell me?Sally and others mentioned giving PetTinic or HiVite drops
which have ironandB vitamins. How do I get this? Vet or store?
Antibiotics won't doanything for anemia, right?The hind leg
problem is in the background. The vet did check again and saidthat he does
find something wrong. Whether she injured it then went intoanemia because
of the FELV and stress from injury, or the leg was a symptomof some other
virus is of no matter at this point.Thanks everyone for all your
support. Looks like I got carried away withthis long rambling
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RE: Levi

Title: Message



Hmm. I got the roast beef and the honey 
baked ham, and a third meat that you recommended, forgotten what now---he won't 
eat any of them now. I'll bear the Turkey Ham in mind.
(Sometimes when I'm in lighter mood, I like 
to think he's just decided he wants to live the life of a lord and have me 
running ragged on his account! ) Kerry

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PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: 
Levi

One thing that Simon was crazy about when he first got sick was Turkey Ham, 
sliced from the deli counter at the supermarket. 
Michelle


In a message dated 1/24/05 1:19:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  A quick 
  Q---Levi's problem is anemia, and all he will eat is sour cream. 
  
  Is there anything I 
  could hide in sour cream that will help the 
  anemia?
  Pet Tinic? 
  Hi Vite? I've never used either.
  Thanks in 
  advance everyone. kerry

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RE: Levi's result

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That's 
interesting. Thanks. Kerry

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I have found you have to be carfeul with Vets that do house calls, I have 
had a few quacks before I found my godsend.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  Toxic generally means either a really bad systemic infection or that 
  waste is not being processed, i.e. kidney and liver problems like someone else 
  said. I do not think it means anemic, normally. I am glad you are 
  going to another vet on Wednesday. 
  Michelle
  
  
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The toxic term--now I'm not sure what the vet meant. Because she said 
on saturday that his kidneys and liver are 'fine' (which is great 
news).
His problem is anemia; that much I know. And he doesn't move 
voluntarily now. Kerry
  
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RE: Levi and anemia

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Thanks Michelle--I'm going to try all these
things.
(Liver shake that's even just 5 minutes old
he won't eat any more. But I'll try the Odwalla.)

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anemia

Kerry,
Whether Pet Tinic or anything like it will help in any way
depends on why he is anemic. They are mostly iron supplements, but a lot
of causes of anemia have nothing to do with iron. You could try putting
some Pet Tinic in some sour cream, but I think you are taking the risk that if
he does not like that he will then stop eating the sour cream, which seems to be
his only sustenance currently. It is for that reason that I did not try putting
things in Simon's sour cream when it was all he wanted. If Levi is still
eating liver shake (it sounds like he isn't), then that has a ton of iron and
vitamins in it as well and probably obviates the need for Pet Tinic or another
supplement. If he has stopped eating liver shake, how old was it? Simon
will only eat it the day I make it or the next day, and then does not want it.
Whatever is left at that point I give to my dog and make a new batch.
Also, he seems crazier about the liver shake when made with carrot juice (from
health food store-- Odwalla brand in small bottle) than when I made it with V-8
or tomato juice, and he likes it warmed until it is almost hot and will not
drink it cold. If you have not tried these strategies with Levi you could
try them to see if he might eat the liver shake again. Apparently some
cats actually like Pet Tinic, and I know some like Nutrical, so you could try
just putting one of those in a bowl in front of him and see if he will eat
it.

Michelle

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A quick
Q---Levi's problem is anemia, and all he will eat is sour cream.

Is there anything I
could hide in sour cream that will help the
anemia?
Pet Tinic?
Hi Vite? I've never used either.
Thanks in
advance everyone. kerry

RE: Levi's result

Title: Message

Thank
you Cherie!

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Kerry,
Levi and you are in my thoughts and prayers.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The
toxic term--now I'm not sure what the vet meant. Because she said on saturday
that his kidneys and liver are 'fine' (which is great
news).
His
problem is anemia; that much I know. And he doesn't move voluntarily now.
Kerry

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Kerry,

If your vet is saying "toxic", I assume that to mean kidneys. That
means lots of fluids to flush out the kidneys. If you can't give fluids
(I've had ferals. I know how that goes.) you might try letting the water
drip from the sink or getting one of those 'kitty fountains'.

My cat who had kidney disease loved to drink water from those and would
drink more that way without me having to give him fluids as often.

Also, use more canned food. It has more water content. You
could actually water it down a bit to get more fluids in if he'll eat
it.

Try tuna juice, chicken broth etc... He needs fluids as much as the food
right now if the kidneys are involved

tKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I don't know about feline interferon. I give the humaninterferon
in their dishes, and do my best to make sure each cat takes one
'helping'.
Yes, all5 of my 'foster' cats are feral. 4 are FeLV pos and 1 is
neg.
Giving subQ fluids is very stressful for all of them.
I really don't want to repeat it. (Right now Levi is not dehydrated
fortunately.)The subQ fluidsdidn't help Caramel ultimately, and
the business of catching him put them all, and him most of all, thru
tremendous stress.
I'm convinced that(the stress) played a big part in diminishing
alltheir appetites. So where feral is concerned, I'm not keen on doing
any more subQs.
Kerry

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I think that feline interferon is giving with sub-q injections, isn't
it?

Is Levi feral?

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RE: FDA has frozen approvals of VO!

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That's news to me re Matthew Scully. (Not
that I'd ever heard of him.)
Let us know when you get the name of the key
person.
If you think it useful meantime to let us
have M Scully's contact details so more of us can ask for his support please
do.
Kerry

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Not even close. I asked the oncologist to give me the name and number of
the person from the FDA who called him, and when I get it I plan to call and
find out what I can, as well as who makes these decisions. My plan then was to
enlist all of you as well as the Marley Fund and any other group I can convince
to flood the decision-maker with emails, faxes, phone calls, and whatever and
see what we can do. I think it depends on why the decision was made- if it has
to do with bioterrorism protocols and the office of Homeland Security or the
DOJ, I think we are probably not going to get very far.

The other thing I did was email Matthew Scully, who wrote the book
Dominion, which is a conservative's plug for animal welfare. He was a
speech writer for Bush who was so moved by his FeLV+ cat he took in off the
street and who died that he got heavily into animal welfare/rights issues and
ended up quitting his speech writing job to write the book Dominion. Given
his experience with his cat and his ties to the Bush administration, which
controls the FDA, I emailed him to see if he can suggest anything or talk to
anyone. I have not gotten a response, and do not really expect to because he
probably gets thousands of emails and will not even read mine. I may see if Best
Friends, which interviewed him about his cat in their magazine, might contact
him for me.

Those are my thoughts. Any additional thoughts or insights or suggestions
are requested and welcome.
Michelle

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Michelle, just wondering if you've managed to resolve
the VO situation. Kerry

RE: more tasty morsels

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Thanks--have printed off! Kerry

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morsels

Another occasional favorite of Simon's since getting sick is Meow Mix wet 
food packets, especially the What's the Catch? flavor. And Science Diet dry 
food, maybe because it is greasy.
Michelle


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RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?

Title: Message

Yes,
that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do a
trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about picking up
the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vetsomehow. Thanks!
Kerry

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today?

It is virtually
impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, ace
something or otherI give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before put the
carrier on the bed where he generally sleepsI think that because the pill makes
him a little groggy he curls up inside the carrier falls
asleep. The doseage is never enough to knock him out or anything, just
sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he doesnt like to do
(like the carrierwhich of course, he knows means the vet!). Maybe you can
ask your vet about it. I can look up the name doseage if it will
help

Chris
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2005 12:38 PMTo:
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RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?

I just
hope I can get him into the carrier, and without too much stress. (I guess if he
is feisty tho, then that's a good sign.)

The
housecall vet did mention steroids when pressed by me, but she added they take
6-8 weeks to kick in?

Is that
correct?

I wish I
hada tape of our conversation. So much of it is over my head. It feels
like wading thru glue sometimes, just to get a clear picture of what's
possible/viable.

Kerry
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Re: Kerry, how is Levi today?

Kerry,

First, in terms of the sour cream-- Simon went a few days where that was
basically all her ate too, so I would not worry about that. It's very
fatty, if it is whole milk sour cream, which is good. The most important thing
short-term, I think, is getting calories into him.

In
terms of his anemia and how bad he feels... is there any way to get him a
diagnosis? Sue on this list said that her cat had anemia from teh FeLV and
depomedrol (steroid) shots completely resolved it. The anemia was from her
cat killing her own red blood cells, and the depomedrol stopped that. If
the anemia is from lymphoma, then steroids, or chemo if you are up to it, can
also help enormously. Simon's hematocrit was down that low for a while,
and still could be though I think he looks pinker now and is definitely more
energetic. If it is from hemobartenella (sp?) then antibiotics could
completely resolve it. If it has anything to do with his kidneys, Procrit or
Epogen could help. There is also the chance, of course, that nothing can
be done and it is just degenerative from the FeLV, but it is impossible to know
this based on the information you currently have from your vet. If he is
feral, then I know that makes any diagnosis or treatment challenging, but if it
is possible to get more information from your vet or another (did the vet check
for hemobartanella? is lymphoma possible? is it possible he is killing his own
rbc's?) If it really seems like he is plummeting, and especially if you
are considering euthanasia, I would highly recommend you try a steroid shot or
two first to see if they help. I would give a dexamethasone shot, which is
fast-acting, along with a longer-acting and slower-to-set-in shot of
Depomedrol. I think it is the combination of these shots that brought
Simon back, at least temporarily, from the Precipice.

Take
care,

Michelle
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RE: Levi

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My
problem is that I don't have a comprehensive list of what it's ok/not ok to give
cats. Hey, I'll check with you guys.
Thanks
again---Kerry

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Would he eat the
Nutrical off your finger?? My theory is that any food is better than none
so maybe go thru your refrig try everythingcheese, my cats love eggs with
cheese, tuna, tuna water, I have one who loves my cereal (especially if its in
milk); one loves blue cheese; just passing this on as sometimes we sort of
assume they wont eat something they floor you. I realize how
frustrating this must behang in thereand yes, he is living the life of a
lord!

Chris
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2005 1:30 PMTo:
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RE: Levi

Hmm. I
got the roast beef and the honey baked ham, and a third meat that you
recommended, forgotten what now---he won't eat any of them now. I'll bear the
Turkey Ham in mind.

(Sometimes when I'm in
lighter mood, I like to think he's just decided he wants to live the life of a
lord and have me running ragged on his account! ) Kerry
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Levi

One thing that Simon
was crazy about when he first got sick was Turkey Ham, sliced from the deli
counter at the supermarket.

Michelle

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A quick
Q---Levi's problem is anemia, and all he will eat is sour cream.

Is there
anything I could hide in sour cream that will help the
anemia?

Pet
Tinic? Hi Vite? I've never used either.

Thanks
in advance everyone. kerry

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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

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ok, 
thanks Barb. Would you recommend it be warmed or no? Kerry

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MoermondSent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:30 PMTo: 
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Levi
oh, with the alfalfa, you would want extract most likely. try to find 
it in glycerin instead of alcohol. if you can't, then you can boil the 
alcohol off so the taste isn't so icky."MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  Tamara, Faye, Cherie, Nina, Terrie, and Barb (and anyone else I may 
  have inadvertently left out) -- thank you so much. I have quite a few ideas to 
  try out tonight!
  Will 
  keep you posted--Kerry
  
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  tamara sticklerSent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:14 
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  appetite stimulant for Levi
  Hi Kerry,
  
  I've found with Quintapus, its not always WHAT I feed him, but HOW. 
  He is a CRF cat (not felv), and just getting them to eat can be a trial. 
  BUT, I've found that these have helped:
  
  1) When he looks interested in the food, but licks his lips and backs off 
  or runs away.its most likely sour belly and 1/4 of a Pepcid A/C, once or 
  twice a day (CHECK WITH VET FIRST) wrapped in a treat and poked down his ol' 
  gullet will have him hungry and eating within 1/2 hr.
  
  2) With cats, its often the food receptical..not the food. If they 
  got nauseous after eating then they may not only associate that food with 
  making them sick, but the bowl. I have a varity of bowls, different 
  sizes, and colors for Quintapus now.
  
  3) For some reason, Q likes to be fed with a spoon rising the food 
  in the bowl (held over not out of the bowl). Canned food is so important 
  to replace moisture in their bodies, but many cats don't like to get 
  their whiskers, lips, noses in it, so eating it off the edge of a spoon seems 
  to be agreeable. (Some days Q insists on a blue plastic spoon as opposed to a 
  metal spoon -???- I have NO idea why??)
  
  4) Raising the bowl above cat'sarmpit level. Just like with 
  big dogs, I believe some cats get reflux if they have to dip their heads below 
  their knees to eat. Raising the bowl helps the food stay down as the 
  next bite is taken. (with suggestion #3 this is very easy to do)
  
  5.) Liquify the canned food. Add water and mash until it looks like 
  a thick broth...many cats don't like to chew their food and prefer to drink it 
  instead. This also helps to keep them from becoming dehydrated. 
  
  
  6) Warm it for 10 or 20 seconds before feeding. esp. after adding 
  water...helps to spread/blend the flavors and gives it a different 
  consistancy.
  
  7) Feed several small meals a day in addition to leaving food out all the 
  timeex. dry can be left out, canned - feed special.
  
  8) For older cats...often arthitis gives them a hard time of it...and 
  they are SO stoic they won't let you know. Cosequin added to the food 
  works for most after about 2 weeks, BUT for some reason, Cosequin 
  and a treat for arthitis called "HIP CHIPS" has my Q not only 
  playing again but eating with vigor as well!! I give him about 10-15 
  pcs. a day in addition to his cosequin and have been SO pleased with the 
  results.
  
  I hope some of this works for you!
  TMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi everyone Vet 
  did tests on Levi yesterday, I'll get results tomorrow (he has  
  decreased appetite, was scratching a lot when I made the apptment,  
  doesn't play any more and sits in one spot, away from the others, all  
  the time now). He used to be the fearless leader, and the most active. 
  Loved playing too. Now he even lets me stroke him...which I want to be 
  thrilled about,  but I'm afraid it may be due to his feeling poorly. 
  (I quite miss his  batting me!) Thanks again for all yr ideas 
  last week by the way re the  scratching---the humidifier seems to have 
  decreased his scratching.  Vet checked him and says she is not 
  concerned. Thinks it is dryness. Now I need to get him eating 
  again...as of yesterday, he doesn't seem  to want even his favorite 
  foods (tho i suppose that could be due to  stress of having to be ca! 
  ! ught, and then pinned down, and tested.) He didn't even jump down 
  from his perch for the broiled chicken OR the  dry Wellness food that 
  he always totally adored. He's only a little thing---very bony, unlike 
  the others--and I don't  think he can afford to lose more 
  weight. He is NOT dehydrated---what a relief. (I was dreading having 
  to chase  him every other day.) Vet mentioned Valium as 
  appetite stimulant, but she did allow that I  might want to look at 
  other ideas first (she didn't offer any! Think  she was indicating I 
  should check with you wonderful guys--which of  course I was g

RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

Thanks for the ideas Michelle. Could someone give me the recipe for
liver shake please? I've seen it mentioned a lot (but never seen the
recipe). 
I'm worried about him, so I'll be arming myself with all of these over
the weekend.
I now know for a fact he's eating litter. Not much, but he is eating it.
I feel so bad for him. This morning I'm waiting for the vet to call with
the report from the blood she drew on Wed.
Kerry

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For tempting foods, I have had luck with Simon with the liver shake (if 
heated to very warm), sour cream, and roast beef slices.  For a while he
liked 
Turkey Ham slices from the supermarket deli, but now only wants roast
beef and 
sour cream (and the occasional liver shake or little bits of cat food).
Other 
things to try are yogurt, cottage cheese, and broiled (not boiled)
chicken and 
turkey.
Michelle

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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

Thanks again Michelle. It's great that you've been able to find things
Simon enjoys. You're an inspiration. I've noted what you say about kitty
possibly being intimidated by too much food appearing in front of them.
Kerry

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Besides the spoon trick, sometimes putting a little bite of the food in
front 
of them on the floor, without using a bowl, works. Simon gets
intimidated by 
a bowl full of food when he does not feel that hungry, but will
sometimes eat 
one bite at a time if put in front of him on the floor or offered on my 
finger.  

Re: the sour cream I suggested earlier, he licks that off my finger or
eats 
it out of the container, but will not eat it on the lid or, i think, in
a bowl. 
 So it's true that you need to experiment with the manner of feeding as
well.

Michelle 

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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

Does Cipro have to be prescribed by a vet? 

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If you use Cipro, pay attention as to whether it makes him groggy or 
otherwise act strangely.  A small portion of cats have reactions to it
(not life 
threatening or anything, but they seem sicker for a little while do to
being really 
groggy and drugged).
Michelle

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 In a message dated 1/20/2005 11:35:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
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cyproheptadine - the antihistamine - is frequently used as an appetite 
stimulant
I have used this many times for the kitties that wouldn't eat along with

Catnip. This stimulate Cypro does work wonders.

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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

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Thanks!

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Does Cipro have to be prescribed by a vet?
yes...most of the time all you 
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providing they've seen the animal.

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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

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Thanks Joan. I never thought of that--would 
a doctor know how much to prescribe for a cat? K
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for Levi
Or any medical doctor.

  
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  for appetite stimulant for Levi
  
  Yes. 
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 1/21/05 9:54:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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  Does Cipro have to be 
prescribed by a vet? 
  
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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi-- liver shake recipe

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Thanks very much Michelle. 
Kerry

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appetite stimulant for Levi-- liver shake recipe
The litter eating sounds like pica, from anemia.

Here is the liver shake recipe:

1 cup raw liver (chicken or beef, I use chicken)
1 cup fresh carrot juice, tomato juice, or V-8
1/4 cup filtered water
1 raw egg yolk
1 tsp kelp or spirulina

Blend until liquid and frothy. If cat will not eat it, syirnge 10 cc every 
3 hours up to a max of 60 cc/day.

I make it in half batches (though use a whole egg yolk), and warm up small 
amounts for Simon. I had to put it on his lips the first few times to get 
him to eat it. it is supposed to be complete 
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RE: FDA has frozen approvals of VO!

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Michelle--I'm shocked. I'm so sorry. This is 
just unbelievable. I pray it's available in Canada, and that you can get it and 
bring it in, if that's what it comes to. Who can we lobby about this--now? 
Kerry
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of VO!
My oncologist got a call yesterday from FDA saying they can not approve our 
application for virbagen omega because they have put a freeze on importations of 
it. I am really upset. While I know it can not directly fight cancer, I 
was really hoping it might support Simon in his fight.

Nina, is there really no way for me tobuy the stuff that you are 
unable to use after mixing? Is it just not stable enough to ship once you 
mix it?

Is it available in Canada now? I am actually less than 5 hours drive from 
the border.

Paolo, if you have any specific ideas please let me know.

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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

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That is so sweet of you, Michelle. I just 
called the pharmacy that makes up compound flavored chew medications (it's 
always been antibioticsthat I've had from themso far) and they say 
they could do it, and in chew form, for Monday, if they get a call from the vet 
today. She hasn't called yet, but I expect 
a call today sometime. Thanks so much again tho. Kerry

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If you have trouble getting it I can mail you at least a few pills for you 
to see if it works. I have a lot left over from my dog, who was on it, and 
I have stopped giving it to Simon for now.
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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

Thanks so much Sally---I'm just printing off and about to read your
email. I know it's going to be very very helpful. Kerry

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Dear Kerry:

The cypro I got for Purrla from another rescuer was prescribed by a vet,
but 
you might check with some of the online pharamacies like
InternetVets.com or 
The Pet Shed (one Nina suggested to me, so she could give you the
e-address), 
etc. as sometimes it is possible to get Rx items w/o a prescription, or,
if 
you've consulted with a vet about Levi already, they may be willing to
approve 
your order.  

Considering that Levi is a feral and handling him an issue, I will warn
you 
that the cypro is really gnarly...Purrla gagged and frothed at the mouth
and I 
had to syringe water down afterwards in a hurry.  If I had not had her
wrapped 
in a towel like a mummy I could not have gotten it down her.  It is an 
antihistamine and it did ease her nasal congestion and she was prompted
to begin 
eating on her own again.  But she just had a URI and was not anemic.   

Pica is, most often, a sign of anemia and anemia does cause loss of
appetite  
Sometimes you can find something really smelly (like tuna and/or tuna
juice, 
anchovy paste, herring or mackerel, and some rescuers who do a lot of
trapping 
swear that KFC works like a charm at enticing wary feral into the trap)
that 
will coax an anemic cat to eat on its own.  Have you tried making a
liver 
shake for him? Sometimes giving PetTinic or HiVite drops which have iron
and 
Bvites can help, but that usually involves being given by syringe.  I
can tell you 
that Levi will NOT take the cypro unless you syringe it down him, and if
you 
have to do that, you might as well mix some baby food (I use 2 tsp. baby
meat 
to 1 tsp. strained veggies like carrots or squash) and Nutrical and add
some 
PetTinic or Hi Vite drops and give that to him by syringe.

Sometimes BVite injections can stimulate appetite, but again, you would
have 
to handle him to do that.  I really don't envy your dilemma.  I've
treated 
many sick kittys but, thankfully, none of my ferals have been in need of
such 
medical care.  It is a real problem because the more you have to handle
him to 
get meds and/or food down him the less likely he will be to trust you
and become 
socialized.  IN a life threatening situation, you really don't have much

choice.  You might try talking to him and tell him you are trying to
help him and 
without your help me may not get well.  If you can't get through to him
on 
your own, an animal communicator may be able to assist you in that
regard.  Be 
forewarned, however, that he may be a very independent soul and may tell
you he 
doesn't really care about getting better if it means he has to submit to
meds 
and being force-fed...he may just tell you Que sera, sera.  And then
you 
have to decide whether or not to force the issue.

Sending out all the positive energy I can muster for you and Levi.

Sally in San Jose

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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

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Thanks
Barb--I've added yours and Sally's e to my folder for this weekend. Really
appreciate all you guys'great support and info. I'd be lost without it.
Kerry

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Levi
Whenever I have to pill the boys - I generally just stuff whatever it is
into a gel-cap and it really cuts down on the foaming etc. I've done this
with metronidazole - REALLY bad stuff - and Smoky's latest oral meds etc.
If the pill is the right size and coated and there's only one, I generally won't
bother with the gel cap, but when you're giving 1/2 tabs or 1/4 tabs or 1 1/2
tabs of something - they come in VERY handy. I also have a nice new pill
splitter too:)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear
Kerry:The cypro I got for Purrla from another rescuer was prescribed
by a vet, but you might check with some of the online pharamacies like
InternetVets.com or The Pet Shed (one Nina suggested to me, so she could
give you the e-address), etc. as sometimes it is possible to get Rx items
w/o a prescription, or, if you've consulted with a vet about Levi already,
they may be willing to approve your order. Considering that Levi
is a feral and handling him an issue, I will warn you that the cypro is
really gnarly...Purrla gagged and frothed at the mouth and I had to
syringe water down afterwards in a hurry. If I had not had her wrapped in
a towel like a mummy I could not have gotten it down her. It is an
antihistamine and it did ease her nasal congestion and she was prompted to
begin eating on her own again. But she just ! had a URI and was not
anemic. Pica is, most often, a sign of anemia and anemia does cause
loss of appetite Sometimes you can find something really smelly (like tuna
and/or tuna juice, anchovy paste, herring or mackerel, and some rescuers
who do a lot of trapping swear that KFC works like a charm at enticing
wary feral into the trap) that will coax an anemic cat to eat on its own.
Have you tried making a liver shake for him? Sometimes giving PetTinic or
HiVite drops which have iron and Bvites can help, but that usually
involves being given by syringe. I can tell you that Levi will NOT take
the cypro unless you syringe it down him, and if you have to do that, you
might as well mix some baby food (I use 2 tsp. baby meat to 1 tsp.
strained veggies like carrots or squash) and Nutrical and add some
PetTinic or Hi Vite drops and give that to him by
syringe.Sometimes BVite injections can stimulate appetite, but again,
you would have to handle him to do that. I really don't envy your
dilemma. I've treated many sick kittys but, thankfully, none of my ferals
have been in need of such medical care. It is a real problem because the
more you have to handle him to get meds and/or food down him the less
likely he will be to trust you and become socialized. IN a life
threatening situation, you really don't have much choice. You might try
talking to him and tell him you are trying to help him and without your
help me may not get well. If you can't get through to him on your own, an
animal communicator may be able to assist you in that regard. Be
forewarned, however, that he may be a very independent soul and may tell
you he doesn't really care about getting better if it means he has to
submit to meds and being force-fed...he may just tell you "Que sera,
sera." And then you have to decide whether or not to force the
issue.Sending out all the positive energy I can m! uster for you and
Levi.Sally in San JoseBarb+Smoky the
House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he
should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me
smile." - Anonymous

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RE: Levi's result

Thank you Faye.

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Kerry,
I am sorry about Levi's report.  I have no suggestions or advice but
will 
remember both of you in my prayers.

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The vet's assistant just called me. (I'm kinda upset that the vet
herself didn't call. She's supposed to be calling on Monday.)

Specifically, Levi is very anaemic. She also used the word 'toxic'.
While I (obviously!) know what toxic means, I don't know what it means
exactly in this situation. She didn't offer any suggestion (via the
assistant), apart from to give him fluids, force-feeding, and
interferon to make him comfortable.

When I pushed the assistant, she said 'pet tinic' which I know  has
been
mentioned here. When I pushed her again for more info re his prognosis,
she said the vet had said the prognosis was 'bad'.

I have the fax of the bloodwork results, but I had to pick it up
manually. I have no clue how to interpret the figures.  Normally it
would be on my computer system, and I could attach it to this, but our
computer system seems to be screwed up today.

I'm going to make a liver shake for him tonight and try as many things
as you wonderful guys have suggested as necessary. I'm picking up
cyproheptadine compound chews tomorrow noon.

I want be positive for Levi's sake but it doesn't look good. I've
cancelled all social stuff this weekend, and will be at home to keep a
very close eye on him.

Any suggestions welcome. Your collective experience is far greater in
my
opinion than the vet's. I'm not sure I'm getting the best perspective
on
his condition from the vet. I'm grateful she does housecalls, and gets
the job done in catching him, and drawing blood (it took 3 attempts
from
3 legs) but I get frustrated by the lack of feedback (and the long wait
for it--Monday!).

Kerry
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RE: Levi's result

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She said he's very anemic. And toxic. Which
my (human)doctor friend said means, for humans"that they are
critically-ill and most unlikely unable to fight the infection that they
have".
I think that's probably what it means in
animals too.
I appreciate your thoughts Michelle, but
there is no way in the world that I would take from Simon after all he' and you
havebeen thru even if Nina did have some to spare!Also the feline
interferon route is not one that I've considered after I realized that it would
have to be administered like regular interferon. (Mine are on that, but it's
been hit and miss, as they're feral. Tho I will say Levi has always taken his.
But they take with tuna water--I can't syringe it on to the back of their
throat, which is the no 1 option I believe.) Also the $$$ rule it out in any
case. Also, those b** FDA people have frozen it now.)
My priority is getting him to eat tonight.
Wish me luck!
Kerry

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What is the diagnosis exactly, or is that still unclear?

I actually think you should get hold of some feline interferon if at all
possible. Maybe you can talk to Nina about it. I think Levi needs it
more urgently than Simon, and it has more possibility of helping him if he does
not have cancer.

RE: Levi's result

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Are these prescription or over the 
counter?--Kerry

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Epogen/Procrit might help with the anemia, depending on its cause. 

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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

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Can I getNutrical in Petsmart d'you 
think?

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I put pills in a gob of Nutrical and it goes right down.
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Levi/my home address

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Hi 
everyone
I'm leaving for the weekend, but I'd 
really appreciate if you could copy any more replies to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED].
I've emailed James, the administrator, 
today, re adding my home address to the list, but it probably won't happen 
immediately---I'm not sure how that works. 
Thanks again, everyone, for all your 
wonderful support and info. I really really appreciate it. 
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RE: Quiet group today....

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Rachel
You're
an angel.
Let us
know what you call him...thank goodness he found you. Lucky little kitty.
Kerry

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I just got a call. I am taking in another cat. I hadn't planned
on it, but I'm not going to let him be put down.

I've got to come up with a good name for him ...

Rachel[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,
I hope all is
well...the group is quiet today. I guess no news is good news. Sending good
vibes to those that need it.

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RE: Simon is having a good morning

He's in my thoughts all the time, Michelle, as are you, you angel.
This is good news to hear--thanks. 
I'm behind with the list this week. 
Please know, everyone, that I'm with you and all your furballs in
spirit. 
I hope to catch up again by tomorrow.
Kerry

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Someone must be praying, because Simon is having a really good morning.
He 
is perky, to the point of tormenting Quincy, my negative, by sharpening
his 
claws on the barrier separating them and trying to get into Quincy's
side of the 
house.  And he practically climbed on top of me when I opened the bag of
roast 
beef deli slices this morning.  And he is drinking a lot more, and
coming 
upstairs when I am upstairs, and even climbed onto my lap and onto the
desk and 
computer keyboard.  he is eating treats that he has refused for days.  I
am 
starting to think that the depomedrol shots, long-term steroid shots
that he has 
gotten twice now, take four days to kick in.  The last week he got it on
a 
Friday and started acting better on Tuesday night. Then last weekend I
gave it to 
him on Sat morning and he is now acting better on Wed morning.  
Unfortunately, the effects only seem to last for 3 days or so and then
he needs the short 
term dex steroids to carry him over.  But I am so grateful, and it is so

wonderful, to see him feeling better. He even just played a little bit
with me with 
a piece of string and is looking wide-eyed out the window.  He also
hardly 
looks yellow at all, if at all.  Though he is still pale and, I am sure,
very 
anemic.

I share all the bad stuff so i wanted to share this with you too.  He is

still in the woods, deep deep in the woods, so please do not stop
praying for him 
and sending him energy.

Thanks,
Michelle

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RE: Simon is having another good day

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That is such good news Michelle. I'm 
enjoying picturing him!
Kerry

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Simon has been perky and energetic all day so far, and ate some dry food in 
addition to his staples of roast beef, sour cream, and liver shake. he is 
jumping on things, walking around a lot, and in very good spirits. He even looks 
to me like he has gained a little weight back. This all makes me very 
happy, though I am always aware that it is probably short-lived and just from 
the steroids. I am hoping against hope that it is at least partially the CCNU 
doing something for him that might continue for a while, but the timing of it 
seems to suggest it is the Depomedrol. At any rate, every happy day is a 
happy day, and I am glad that he is having it. Thank you all for your 
prayers and thoughts.
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need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

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Hi everyone
Vet did tests on Levi yesterday, I'll get results
tomorrow (he has decreased appetite, was scratching a lot when I made the
apptment, doesn't play any more and sits in one spot, away from the
others,all the time now).
He used to be the fearless leader, and the most active.
Loved playing too.
Now he even lets me stroke him...which I want to be
thrilled about, but I'm afraid it may be due to his feeling poorly. (I quite
miss his batting me!)
Thanks againfor all yr ideas last week by the way
re the scratching---the humidifier seems to have decreased his scratching. Vet
checked him and says she is not concerned. Thinks it is dryness.

Now I need to get him eating again...as of yesterday,
he doesn't seem to want even his favorite foods (tho i supposethat could
be due to stress of having to be caught, and then pinned down, and
tested.)
He didn't even jump down from his perch for the broiled
chicken OR the dry Wellness food that he always totally
adored.

He's only a little thing---very bony, unlike the
others--and I don't think he can afford to lose more weight.
He is NOT dehydrated---what a relief. (I was dreading
having to chase him every other
day.)
Vet mentioned Valium as appetite stimulant, but she did
allow thatI might want to look at other ideas first (she didn't offer any!
Think she was indicating I should check with you wonderful guys--which of course
I was going to do anyway.).
I note catnip and baby food from previous emails that I
filed. I will certainly try these but would welcome other ideas too that anyone
has had success with.
Thanks!!!
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RE: need ideas for appetite stimulant for Levi

Title: Message



Tamara, Faye, Cherie, Nina, Terrie, and Barb (and anyone else I may have 
inadvertently left out) -- thank you so much. I have quite a few ideas to try 
out tonight!
Will 
keep you posted--Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara 
sticklerSent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:14 PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: need ideas for appetite stimulant for 
Levi
Hi Kerry,

I've found with Quintapus, its not always WHAT I feed him, but HOW. 
He is a CRF cat (not felv), and just getting them to eat can be a trial. 
BUT, I've found that these have helped:

1) When he looks interested in the food, but licks his lips and backs off 
or runs away.its most likely sour belly and 1/4 of a Pepcid A/C, once or 
twice a day (CHECK WITH VET FIRST) wrapped in a treat and poked down his ol' 
gullet will have him hungry and eating within 1/2 hr.

2) With cats, its often the food receptical..not the food. If they 
got nauseous after eating then they may not only associate that food with making 
them sick, but the bowl. I have a varity of bowls, different sizes, and 
colors for Quintapus now.

3) For some reason, Q likes to be fed with a spoon rising the food in 
the bowl (held over not out of the bowl). Canned food is so important to 
replace moisture in their bodies, but many cats don't like to get their 
whiskers, lips, noses in it, so eating it off the edge of a spoon seems to be 
agreeable. (Some days Q insists on a blue plastic spoon as opposed to a metal 
spoon -???- I have NO idea why??)

4) Raising the bowl above cat'sarmpit level. Just like with big 
dogs, I believe some cats get reflux if they have to dip their heads below their 
knees to eat. Raising the bowl helps the food stay down as the next bite 
is taken. (with suggestion #3 this is very easy to do)

5.) Liquify the canned food. Add water and mash until it looks like a 
thick broth...many cats don't like to chew their food and prefer to drink it 
instead. This also helps to keep them from becoming dehydrated. 


6) Warm it for 10 or 20 seconds before feeding. esp. after adding 
water...helps to spread/blend the flavors and gives it a different 
consistancy.

7) Feed several small meals a day in addition to leaving food out all the 
timeex. dry can be left out, canned - feed special.

8) For older cats...often arthitis gives them a hard time of it...and they 
are SO stoic they won't let you know. Cosequin added to the food works for 
most after about 2 weeks, BUT for some reason, Cosequin and a 
treat for arthitis called "HIP CHIPS" has my Q not only playing again but eating 
with vigor as well!! I give him about 10-15 pcs. a day in addition to 
his cosequin and have been SO pleased with the results.

I hope some of this works for you!
TMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi everyone Vet did 
tests on Levi yesterday, I'll get results tomorrow (he has  decreased 
appetite, was scratching a lot when I made the apptment,  doesn't play 
any more and sits in one spot, away from the others, all  the time 
now). He used to be the fearless leader, and the most active. Loved 
playing too. Now he even lets me stroke him...which I want to be 
thrilled about,  but I'm afraid it may be due to his feeling poorly. (I 
quite miss his  batting me!) Thanks again for all yr ideas last 
week by the way re the  scratching---the humidifier seems to have 
decreased his scratching.  Vet checked him and says she is not 
concerned. Thinks it is dryness. Now I need to get him eating again...as 
of yesterday, he doesn't seem  to want even his favorite foods (tho i 
suppose that could be due to  stress of having to be ca! ught, and then 
pinned down, and tested.) He didn't even jump down from his perch for 
the broiled chicken OR the  dry Wellness food that he always totally 
adored. He's only a little thing---very bony, unlike the others--and I 
don't  think he can afford to lose more weight. He is NOT 
dehydrated---what a relief. (I was dreading having to chase  him every 
other day.) Vet mentioned Valium as appetite stimulant, but she did 
allow that I  might want to look at other ideas first (she didn't offer 
any! Think  she was indicating I should check with you wonderful 
guys--which of  course I was going to do anyway.). I note catnip 
and baby food from previous emails that I filed. I will  certainly try 
these but would welcome other ideas too that anyone has  had success 
with. Thanks!!! Kerry This email and any files 
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RE: sour cream

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Dear 
Michelle
I 
don't have access to list email over the weekend, but Simon was always in my 
thoughts and prayers,and I've just been catching up on your e's since 
FridayI'm so glad to hearhe's still enjoying quality of life (and has 
moved on to the joys of sour cream now---good for him!)
Thanks 
for the pix too--you're right, what an adorable little furball he surely 
is!
Please 
know you're both always in my thoughts and prayers, love  hugs to you 
both,Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 9:51 
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: sour 
creamSo Simon loves sour cream, I discovered 
today. He vomited a lot of what he ate yesterday and this morning, and this 
evening he only wants to eat sour cream. I gave him about 6 or 7 fingerfuls and 
a few larger dollups. I had read somewhere (maybe an email frfom 
Kathy?) that cultured dairy, like sour cream and yogurt, are ok for cats 
and do not cause diarrhea the way milk does. Do you know if that is true, and if 
it is ok to give him as much sour cream as he wants? He has not had much 
nutrition in the last two days, and wil only take a lick or two at everything 
else, even the liver shake which he was vacuuming up until yesterday, so I would 
like to give him as much sour cream as he wants (within reason-- he is still not 
that hungry, so we are not talking about a bowlful 
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RE: Tigger concern

Title: Message

Hi
Cherie
I'm
coming late to this discussion, but here's my 2 cents worthdump the Iams and
start 'em on a really high quality food (ie one without additives, preservatives
and junk that we humans wouldn't eat). Those high quality foods, such as eg
Wellness andInnova (there are many more, that other list members, better
informed than me,use)are NOTsold by the big chains, but by the
independent pet stores, and thru online retailers. (I've seen Newman's, which I
believe is also supposed to be top-grade,in
Wholefoods.)
I
always thought Iams was the gold standard until I found this wonderfully
informedgroup. Now there's nothing in my local Petsmart or Petco
thatI would willingly feed my cats on!
Good
luck! Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A
GabbertSent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:02 PMTo:
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Tigger concern
Tigger my oldest (6) years old, is now having keeping Iams Hairball formula
down, she eats it and vomits. She now is being really picky, more so than usual,
and when she does eats it would appear she vomits even wet food back up, I have
cleaned up 3 piles so far today. Should I concern myself with this, since I have
just leanered about Amber being FeLV positive and Snowball passing, or am I
being paranoid, since all those things just happened.

Usually I would not concern myself with a little vomit, unless it goes on
for a few days, because with so many and everyone mixing food, sometimes they do
get sick, but since all this happened I am a little more concerned.

Thanks for listening
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for Cherie--Tigger concern

I agree, Cherie, you're not paranoid---I'd be calling the vet too. Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:32 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: Tigger concern

Cherie, you are there, we're not.  If you're concerned about the 
vomiting, then by all means call your vet.  From what I remember about 
your posts, you have a good vet that would be understanding of your 
concern.  It's always better to err on the side of caution.  It's so 
much better to find out our fears are unfounded, rather than wait and 
see.  Call your vet and tell her (?) what's going on and get her 
opinion.  We're just throwing out suggestions based on what's happened 
to us.  What you went through with Snowball was horrendous.  I don't 
blame you a bit for being cautious.

Nina

Cherie A Gabbert wrote:

 I would tend to agree that it is hairballs, but, this in not the kind 
 of vomit you get with hairballs and Tigger has never been prone to 
 hairballssbut what it seems like is that I am blowing the vomiting

 out of proportion, because noone seems to think I should get the vet 
 involved.

 Since Amber was diagnosed with FeLV I have been watching closer than 
 normal.

 Thank you all for the advice.
 Cherie

 */Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Sounds like a hairball vomiter. I have one. He vomits after
 eating. He
 also tends to eat too fast and I have to separate him from the
 other cats so
 he will slow down.

 However, 99% of the problem was resolved when I changed to Eagle
 Pack food.
 The problem was worse on wellness and Innova. He has not thrown up
 once on
 Eagle. I don't miss the cleanups. I do know that Eagle Pack does
 not work
 with every cat but the company tested their formulas on cats with
 hairball
 vomiting problems with success. I don't even use their hairball
 formula.
 I use the Holistic Select and it works just fine. I have not had
one
 hairball from any cat (9 total cats) since I started the food.

 From: Cherie A Gabbert
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 Undigested, she does not seem to eat fast, there are some bites
 chewed
 fully then others are whole...it is very small pellets almost.

 Faye Lewis wrote:Does she eat vomit immediately after
 eating or later? Is the food digested
 or undigested? Does the cat eat fast.

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RE: Tigger concern

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When 
you get a minute, let us know how the vet visit goes, Cherie. Hope 
Tiggeris back to normal soon. Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A 
GabbertSent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:34 AMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Tigger concern
I agree, I did call her and she is coming out Monday if Tigger is still 
vomitting, Tigger, seems to be her normal cranky self, but I am still concerned. 
Thank you all for your thoughts and comments.
CherieNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cherie, 
  you are there, we're not. If you're concerned about the vomiting, then by 
  all means call your vet. From what I remember about your posts, you have a 
  good vet that would be understanding of your concern. It's always better 
  to err on the side of caution. It's so much better to find out our fears 
  are unfounded, rather than wait and see. Call your vet and tell her (?) 
  what's going on and get her opinion. We're just throwing out suggestions 
  based on what's happened to us. What you went through with Snowball was 
  horrendous. I don't blame you a bit for being 
  cautious.NinaCherie A Gabbert wrote: I would tend 
  to agree that it is hairballs, but, this in not the kind  of vomit you 
  get with hairballs and Tigger has never been prone to  
  hairballssbut what it seems like is that I am blowing the vomiting! 
   out of proportion, because noone seems to think I should get the vet 
   involved.  Since Amber was diagnosed with FeLV I have 
  been watching closer than  normal.  Thank you all for 
  the advice. Cherie */Faye Lewis 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Sounds like a hairball vomiter. 
  I have one. He vomits after eating. He also tends to eat too 
  fast and I have to separate him from the other cats so he will 
  slow down. However, 99% of the problem was resolved when I 
  changed to Eagle Pack food. The problem was worse on wellness 
  and Innova. He has not thrown up once on Eagle. I don't miss 
  the cleanups. I do know that Eagle Pack does not work with 
  every cat but the company tested their formulas on cats with 
  hairball vomiting problems with success. I don't even use their 
  hairball formula.!  I use the Holistic Select and it works 
  just fine. I have not had one hairball from any cat (9 total cats) 
  since I started the food. From: Cherie A Gabbert 
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   Undigested, she does not seem ! to eat fast, there are some 
  bites chewed fully then others are whole...it is very 
  small pellets almost.  Faye Lewis wrote:Does she eat 
  vomit immediately after eating or later? Is the food 
  digested or undigested? Does the cat eat fast. 
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RE: Taming 'ferals'

That's a wonderful story Karolyn! I can well understand how you must
have been thrilled by that little kitty's acceptance of you (what I
would give for that from one of my scamps!) Kerry

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Karolyn Lount
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 3:49 AM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: Taming 'ferals'

Hi, It's grate that you can tame them like that. I had a stray, in the
parking of the complex I live in. Every time I took food out to him he
would spit and hiss at me. I would step back and stay there so the
neighbors cats would not get his food. I tied to trap him...no luck.
This went  on for about 10 mos. I felt he must be a feral. Then one day
out of the blue he walked over to me, rubbed against me and let me pick
him up. I could not believe it. About a week later I discovered he had
been declawed. He turned out to be a super loveable guy. He had just
been trying to survive

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RE: Update on FeLV+ needing home in NJ

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Congratulations to you and Baran, Kathy! I 
missed the beginning of this story, but I love the end.
(And now starts the beginning ofa 
whole new wonderful story, right?!)
Good luck to you both, Kerry



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[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:57 
AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Update on FeLV+ needing 
home in NJ
 
I met up with Nova Queen 2 (using her screen name to protect the innocent - 
hehehe) just inside the PA border east of WV last Sunday. I enjoyed 
meeting her (as I do all cat-folk) and hurried home with the little girl who 
didn't have a name yet.

We made it home with no problem and she hid under the bed for a couple 
days. I slid canned food under the bed to her and made sure she had water 
and a litter pan available under there, and let her come out on her terms (aside 
from having to catch her to give her her last dose of medicine on Monday). 
She started coming out just while I was getting the canned food ready on 
Tuesday, and let me pet her a few times, but she would only eat under or just 
next to the bed, and as soon as the food was gone, so was she. 

Friday night, I came into their room and she was sitting in the open on a 
windowsill.She let me pet her and pick her up and she wentback 
to the windowwhen I set her down. A little later, she let me pick 
her up and snuggle on the bed with her, but she didn't want to stay too 
closewhen I let go. I found a book on the languages of Tolkien's 
middle earthtonight - that has a dictionary and such with words and names 
from all the languages, with special emphasis on elvish. I found about 15 
words or names that i either liked the sound of or liked the meaning of, and 
while I was passing along an update to her rescuer, I started trying the names 
out on her - while she was focused on staring out the window. When I got 
through about 8 or 9 of them - saying each one twice, I tried "Baran" 
(BAH-rrrahn - a's pronounced like the "a" in father, the "r" rolled, 
and the emphasis on "Ba") (Means "Golden Brown" - she's a tiny shorthaired brown 
mackerel tabby with a white spot on her chest and white toes, and the brown is a 
rich reddishbrown). The first time I said it, she turned an ear 
towards me, the second time, she whipped her head around and looked at me, then 
she came down from the window sill and sat on the night stand within reach of my 
computer and let me pet her - and purred. I took that to mean she liked 
the name, so Baran it is! 

She's about 1 1/2-2 years old, and is 1/2 the size of the other guys in 
here. Her legs and tail are on the short side of normal, and her body is 
on the short side too, but looks almost out of proportion to the rest of 
her. She's just too cute!

Where there's Life, there's HopeKathy"If you can't be a good example 
-- then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." Catherine- 
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RE: Contest for my Siamese kitties for free treats!

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Done! (Looks like Kitten Trio are doing 
pretty well, Terrie!) Good luck, Kerry

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free treats!
Click here: contest 



http://www.pnwanimaladoption.com/contest.html

Hi all,
 Please go to 
this site and vote for my kitties. They are called the "Kitten 
Trio".
Please allow extra time for the 
page to load. If these guys win they get free treats in which they can always 
use. Also, they get enter towards the Rescue Pet of the yearfor more 
treats.
Please forward to others ask them 
to vote for my kitties!
Thanks so much will keep all 
updated!
Terrie MohrCheck 
site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://siamese.meetup.com/38/This is for those of you in WA. state and 
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RE: Ringworm

Doncha wish there was some way to re-educate these people, like having
THEM use a human-size litter box for a week.Kerry

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of BONNIE J KALMBACH
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:58 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: Ringworm

Ringworm was a factor in a change of administration at our local 
humane society a few years ago. The old administration had begun 
putting down kitties with ringworm precisely because it is contagious 
and so hard to get rid of - but usually NOT life-threatening. New 
board members opposed to this policy were voted in at a rather 
contentious annual meeting for which security guards were even hired.

The new administration now has a trailer or other building behind the 
regular building in which cats with ringworm are isolated and treated. 

Right after that meeting, I looked at the kitties for adoption; I saw 
one of the security guards looking too. We both found kitties we 
applied to adopt! Mine was my sweet orange girl Rosalie. There was a 
BIG sign on her cage that said Litterbox Problems! She has never had 
any such problems with me; she is just a fastidious girl who likes a 
clean litterbox. On her surrender papers, her previous owners had 
checked off that they cleaned her box ONCE a week!! Can you imagine.

I didn't mean to write so much; it's below zero outside and I am 
stalling about making a necessary run to the grocery store :)

Bonnie and the naughty nine.

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Date: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: I'm worried abt Levi

 In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:20:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 And regarding ringworm,  I've never had to deal with it at my  
 house. HANK 
 GOODNESS!!! But from my understanding it's so contagious that  you 
 don't have to 
 come into contact with a cat to expose them.

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off topic/yogurt

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One of
my negs, Trixie, always hangs around me when I eat yogurt--she loves licking it
after I'm done. She won't eat it out of anything except the pot that I've eaten
it from. Even if I smear some round the edge of another pot, she just sniffs and
walks away. So I have to eat a lot of yogurt, just to keep her
happyKerry

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BurnettSent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:05 PMTo:
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: sour creamYes..I have heard that sour cream and yogurt are good for kitties with
weak stomachesTad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Simon loves sour cream, I discovered today. He vomited a lot of
what he ate yesterday and this morning, and this evening he only wants to eat
sour cream. I gave him about 6 or 7 fingerfuls and a few larger dollups.
I had read somewhere (maybe an email frfom Kathy?) that cultured dairy,
like sour cream and yogurt, are ok for cats and do not cause diarrhea the way
milk does. Do you know if that is true, and if it is ok to give him as much
sour cream as he wants? He has not had much nutrition in the last two days,
and wil only take a lick or two at everything else, even the liver shake which
he was vacuuming up until yesterday, so I would like to give him as much sour
cream as he wants (within reason-- he is still not that hungry, so we are not
talking about a bowlful here).Thanks,Michelle

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RE: Sophie update

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Thanks 
so much for the update and pix of darling Sophie, Ann! Nice to see pix of her 
heroine doc, too---but I think Sophie has TWO heroines!
all 
the very best for a happy and healthy 2005 to both of you! 
Kerry

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AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: OT: Sophie 
updateHi everyone, Sophie 
was freed in the last week of October, from her 6' by 6' exercise pen that she 
had been in for so long. (I will rewrite Sophie's history at the end of this 
message for those who don't know her and are interested, OK?) For the first 
week, it seemed like she was deliriously happy, playing and eating well and 
running around but soon she began to hide up in the rafters of the basement and 
seemed to be depressed. She would often not seem hungry and she rarely came down 
to play or come for petting. I would shine a flashlight on her rear end, though, 
and it seemed fine. She only needed one enema since I freed her. I 
wanted to have her checked out by Dr. Stanley, her surgeon at Michigan State, 
because of her depression and because she wasn't getting much lactulose, the 
stool softener, in her, so I was concerned that all was not right. She hid so 
well that I had to reschedule twice.I caught her finally, with my son's 
help, and I took her in to see Dr. Stanley on Friday, Jan. 14th. Dr. Stanley was 
very happy with her physical shape and her rebuilt anus' condition! She was very 
happy to hear that there was no obstipation to speak of since she has been 
freed, too. She said that if the constipation/obstipation returns, that she 
could possibly do a rectal pull-through surgery or a colectomy, but that she 
would rather not have to go that way. She said she is just not sure she could 
help her with the surgeries so it is better that we work with her in other ways. 
She believes that if Sophie is doing well that it is possible that her rectum is 
becoming re-innervated! (Or regaining some nerve sensation there, as was 
explained to me.) Could it be that she is better now because she gets more 
exercise or maybe time has healed her or maybe the methylcobalamin that I give 
her daily (which is supposed to help restore nerve function) is working? I am 
not sure what made the difference but am very happy, of course. I know you join 
me in wishing that her good stretch continues on and on. Strangely, when 
my son and I caught Sophie on Tuesday, I had to put her back into her pen until 
the appt. on Friday and she seemed happy to be back there! She was lively and 
hungry and wanted to be petted galore and scratched behind the ears and she 
played a lot at night, like she used to. We decided to let her go free but to 
keep the pen open at all times and let her decide. It was open before, too, but 
I am not sure if she put two and two together before, that she could come and go 
in her pen. I guess we will play it by ear again. I got a few pictures 
of Sophie at Michigan State and one of them is dear to my heart. It is of Dr. 
Stanley and Sophie. I have put them both on her website at:http://annlmla.tripod.com/id1.html 
if anyone wants to see her now and also see Dr. Stanley. Thank you for 
reading this long update and thank you for being there for Sophie from the 
start. Hugs,Anne and Sophie(Sophie is a sweet 1 1/2 year old 
peach and grey dilute tortie who as a young cat was injured and had to have her 
tail amputated. She was a feral kitty and was taken to the vet by a lady who was 
feeding her. The vet destroyed her anus and surrounding tissue while amputating 
her tail, in error, with a cauterizing tool. I adopted her shortly afterwards 
from a kind foster mom in Delaware. She was driven to me by a kind young lady 
who drove 14 hours straight to get her a forever home. I had no idea of the 
damage that had been done to Sophie and she quickly displayed how her rear end 
was an open wound and when scar tissue formed, she could not pass stool easily 
and it became a very real and serious problem. She was needing to be 
anesthetized and cleaned out every week and it was advised to put her down 
several times. I asked for a referral to Michigan State University which they 
obliged and there we met a wonderful surgeon, Dr. Bryden Stanley. Thanks to the 
efforts and love and donations of many people who opened their hearts and gave 
money and prayers and lots of good wishes, she had the reconstructive surgery 
needed to rebuild an anus and to strengthen her rectum walls. Unfortunately, the 
rectum rebuilding did not hold up well and she returned to being blocked every 
4-5 days. Dr. Stanley thought perhaps she had nerve damage, too, that was 
showing up. That is where we were at last update.) This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in

RE: My current Guilt

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no, if 
you fed and kept him warm, you did the best you could for him. Don't beat 
yourself up. I wish more people out there were like you, Cherie. 
Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A 
GabbertSent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:45 AMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: OT: My current Guilt
Completely off the beaten path, but on Thursday I rescued a mouse from a 
window well in my basement, it has been 10 degress and below for 5 or 6 days 
now, so I thought I would put him in a cage and give him a blanket and food and 
let him go when it gets warmer. I kept him in the garage away from the animals 
and my son, just in case he had something, and this morning I found him dead. 
What if I left him alone, would he have lived, so now this month I lost a 
perfectly healthy one day and gone the next Snowball, and now I think I killed 
this mouse
Thanks for listening, I have no one else to vent to, since I have to keep a 
firm upper lip for my son, who is also upset over this.
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RE: Simon today

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He started dreaming and gripping my
neck with his paw, and his whiskers were twitching against my
neck.
Michelle, the bond between you Simon
is incredible. What a lovebug. Kerry

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today

Today Simon is as cute as ever, though getting thinner by the hour it seems
and quite tired. I awoke this morning to him landing on my pillow from
behind. He then laid his head on my shoulder and his front paw across my neck
and went to sleep. He started dreaming and gripping my neck with his paw,
and his whiskers were twitching against my neck. It was very cute
and I just lay there a long time feeling him sleeping against me. When we
got up he walked around a bit and licked some sour cream off my fingers.
He will not eat much at one time, so I have been feeding him every hour or so. I
would guess that every hour or so he has about 3 fiingerfuls of sour cream and a
few licks of liver shake and/or a few small bites of cat food. It is
enough to keep him alive, but not to maintain his weight or energy. He
looks less yellow to me, which is good-- hardly yellow at all, actually.
And he has stopped vomiting for now. But he also looks paler (more anemic)
to me, and he gets that pica thing from the anemia where he keeps wanting to
lick stone and concrete and eat ash.

So I guess the answer is that he is alive and cute and purry and eating
something and not vomiting, all of which is wonderful, but he is anemic and
growing thinner and not eating enough, which is sad. He maintained his
weight and even gained weight for the first month of the disease, but largely
because I supplemented his eating with syringe feeding. he is so much happier
since I stopped, and I promised him that I would not do it again (and I would be
wary of doing it so soon after he vomited anyway). but the downside is
that he now looks like he has cancer, and the weight loss probably makes him
weaker.

Thanks for asking,
Michelle

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Thank you Michelle, How is our boy today?
Cherie

RE: [PNWAnimalAdoption] CA. - 4 Month old FELV+ Kitten needs a home or a fost...

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Yes,
you read my mind, Cherie. More people that don't think...
Kerry

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GabbertSent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:09 PMTo:
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: [PNWAnimalAdoption] CA. - 4 Month old
FELV+ Kitten needs a home or a fost...
Glad to hear it, it always breaks my heart, to hear of someone running out
of "patience" they are here to help those who need it, and she sounded like she
needed it. I am glad she found a home.[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Called
to check on the status of this kitty (she is in Canyon Country in S.
Calif.) and found out that she has gotten a home. She is from a colony of
some 70 cats, originally, two elderly gentlemen at a mobile home park were
feeding but not able to do any S/N (Groan...How often do we hear about
such situations?) and many of them have tested FeLV+. This little girl was
taken in with another, who, luckily tested negative, that had become ill
during all the wet, cold weather. She'd been kept at a vet's clinic for
almost two months by a rescuer who was running out of $$ and the vet was
running out of patience. This sweet tuxie girl, now 4 mos. old, had lost
an eye, but is now well again and, thankfully, has been taken in by
someone who rescues only FeLV+ kittys. So often we don't find out what
happens to kittys in need of homes who get post! ed on this list whose
"days are numbered" so I thought you would all like to know this one found
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RE: Grace and Jazz and VO

Nina, I pray that shipment arrives by tomorrow. (Any way to track it or
no?)
Kerry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Grace and Jazz and VO

Here's a short update about what's been going on at our house:

Last Thursday Grace had been feeling badly, I've already posted about 
her quick recovery the next day.  On Friday Jazz (my other +) started 
acting lethargic.  Jazz did not bounce back the following day the way 
Grace did.  I can only wonder if it has to do with the different 
protocols I used on Grace and Jazz.  Grace was given a larger initial 
dose when we began because she was so sickly and Jazz's only symptoms 
had been slight gingivitis.  By Sunday, Jazz hadn't eaten anything for 
two days, and hadn't left her bed except to go to the litter box.  Okay,

here comes the panic.  Neither one had a temp, or was congested.  Jazz 
seemed like she might be a little nauseous, and achy.  I only had three 
days worth of VO left from the previous phase of feline interferon 
dosing (the protocol says 5 days of dosing).   I've been waiting for my 
next shipment.  It was suppose to be here around the 13th.  It's still 
not here.  On Saturday I decided to start them on the SQ shots and hope 
that the last two days of dosage would get here in time.  I figured at 
this point some was better than none.  Apparently I was right.  Jazz 
still feels crummy, but has begun to eat and today she's moving around 
again, (although still sleeping allot).  The VO does seem to be an 
excellent way to boost their immune systems.  If the new shipment 
doesn't get here by tomorrow, (I have one more dose left for today), I 
pray that it will have been enough.  I'll keep you guys informed. 

It would be wonderful if this stuff worked on an as needed basis.  It 
lasts 24 months in the fridge, and if we could just give them a dose or 
two and have them respond, it would be a lot more cost efficient.

Say a prayer for my girls,
Nina

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RE: Grace and Jazz and VO

Darn. Then let's all send out positive vibes for safe, speedy delivery.
Kerry

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 3:32 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: Grace and Jazz and VO

I've asked about the tracking too.  For whatever reason, my vet says it 
isn't possible.  The vet has paid for it in advance, the distributor 
won't ship it COD, so I know they are as concerned about it's 
whereabouts as I am.  The only thing that might hold it up is an 
overzealous border guard.
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

Nina, I pray that shipment arrives by tomorrow. (Any way to track it or
no?)
Kerry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Grace and Jazz and VO

Here's a short update about what's been going on at our house:

Last Thursday Grace had been feeling badly, I've already posted about 
her quick recovery the next day.  On Friday Jazz (my other +) started 
acting lethargic.  Jazz did not bounce back the following day the way 
Grace did.  I can only wonder if it has to do with the different 
protocols I used on Grace and Jazz.  Grace was given a larger initial 
dose when we began because she was so sickly and Jazz's only symptoms 
had been slight gingivitis.  By Sunday, Jazz hadn't eaten anything for 
two days, and hadn't left her bed except to go to the litter box.
Okay,

here comes the panic.  Neither one had a temp, or was congested.  Jazz 
seemed like she might be a little nauseous, and achy.  I only had three

days worth of VO left from the previous phase of feline interferon 
dosing (the protocol says 5 days of dosing).   I've been waiting for my

next shipment.  It was suppose to be here around the 13th.  It's still 
not here.  On Saturday I decided to start them on the SQ shots and hope

that the last two days of dosage would get here in time.  I figured at 
this point some was better than none.  Apparently I was right.  Jazz 
still feels crummy, but has begun to eat and today she's moving around 
again, (although still sleeping allot).  The VO does seem to be an 
excellent way to boost their immune systems.  If the new shipment 
doesn't get here by tomorrow, (I have one more dose left for today), I 
pray that it will have been enough.  I'll keep you guys informed. 

It would be wonderful if this stuff worked on an as needed basis.  It

lasts 24 months in the fridge, and if we could just give them a dose or

two and have them respond, it would be a lot more cost efficient.

Say a prayer for my girls,
Nina

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RE: Simon-final rally? - Tamara

I agree. That's one that will stay with me, Tamara. Kerry

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:19 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: Simon-final rally? - Tamara

Tamara,
Thank you for sharing the story about your aunt and uncle.  That's
amazing.

tamara stickler wrote:

 Michelle,

 It may not be the final rally, but often when people, at least, are 
 taken off of chemo they feel so much better.  They can go on about 
 their lives for days, weeks, sometimes months.  (When they took my 
 terminally ill Aunt off chemo -pancreatic  liver cancer- she looked 
 like death warmed over, they told her to go home and enjoy her garden 
 and the summer.  She was expected to only have a month or so to live.

 Well her husband was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer a month later

 and Aunt Marge rallied and held out for 3 years -taking care of Uncle 
 Jack and helping him to die -before passing herself - just a few 
 months after her husband.)  Chemo is poision that kills the cancer in 
 the system, but also attacks the healthy body as well.  Some patients 
 have better quality of life (although much shorter) living with the 
 cancer than the chemo.

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RE: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

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Claudia, we're rooting for you, and for your full and fast recovery.
Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jen MeyerSent:
Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:31 PMTo:
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can get!
Hi
All!

I don't know if
ya'll remember me mentioning my friend's cat, Claudia, a few months back...she
was diagnosed with diabetes (she's FeLV-)...Anyway, she was doing well and then
crashed over the weekend...she's at the vet's right now, apparently she had a
bladder infection, her RBC was down to 18, WBC was up and she isn't eating or
drinking on her own. She's got a feeding tube now and they're feeding her
every few hours. The vet is having a hard time regulating her glucose at
the moment. Nan is having a rough time of it but the good news is that she
did eat on her own this morning...I certainly believe in the power of the
healing vibes of this group...If I could ask anyone who reads this to keep
Claudia in your thoughts, I would be so appreciative!!

Thank
you!

Jen

But if you tame me, then we shallneed
each other.
To me, you will be unique in all the
world...
To you, I shall be unique in all the
world...
You become responsible, forever, for what
you have tamed...
-Antoine de Saint Exupery
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RE: Ringworm

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Yikes...sure hope it's not ringworm that
Levi has! Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:16
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re:
Ringworm

In a message dated 1/13/2005 6:09:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I started to really panic
when I read it was necessary to sterilize the house. What a
joke! I'd be proud of myself if I could just keep the place
neat.Nina
Let me tell you the story my vet told me when I was going through
this..her and I are VERY close...

Her PERSIAN got ringworm back when she was a vet student. This cat
gave the ringworm to 7 of her friends and 3 of their parents!!! Talk about
emmbarrassinganyways...NOTHING would get rid of this stuff..she tried every
medical outlet she could, then she tried all the "old" remedies...she even gave
teh poor cat a bleach bathand yes ..I was recommended that as well...the cat
survived teh bath..but still had ringwormfinally She had to go to the people
Dr b/c she had it...BUT also b/c the ONE medicine she had not tried yet was VERY
expensive...and only by her getting her insurance to pay for it could she get
it...So she went...got the "good stuff" and gave it to her cat...instead of
taking it herselfTHAT finally got rid of it...along with bleaching her house
almost every day for several weeksand THAT is how you stearlize the
house...you dilute bleach...WAY down...and take a spray bottle..and SPRAY
EVERYTHING.

RE: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

I believe Claudia's fortunately negative (see below). Worth mentioning
for accurate visualization, right? Kerry

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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:44 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: RE: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

Claudia is in my thoughts.  Being a diabetic myself, I know how tough it
can 
be, and to add felv+ into the picture to the poor cat.  Claudia needs
our 
thoughts/prayers.

From: Jen Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:30:47 -0600

Hi All!

I don't know if ya'll remember me mentioning my friend's cat, Claudia,
a
few months back...she was diagnosed with diabetes (she's
FeLV-)...Anyway, she was doing well and then crashed over the
weekend...she's at the vet's right now, apparently she had a bladder
infection, her RBC was down to 18, WBC was up and she isn't eating or
drinking on her own.  She's got a feeding tube now and they're feeding
her every few hours.  The vet is having a hard time regulating her
glucose at the moment.  Nan is having a rough time of it but the good
news is that she did eat on her own this morning...I certainly believe
in the power of the healing vibes of this group...If I could ask anyone
who reads this to keep Claudia in your thoughts, I would be so
appreciative!!

Thank you!

Jen

But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
To me, you will be unique in all the world...
To you, I shall be unique in all the world...
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed...
-Antoine de Saint Exupery

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Levi

Title: Message

Thanks Lisa! You guys are a mine of
information!
Until we know what the problem is, I've so
far rigged up the humidifier (in which Levi has taken quite a bit of
interest--one of my neg cats, the lazy beautiful one, used it for meditation
purposes in previous years-- loved when it bubbled immediately after
filling, and then would promptly snag the best 'seat' on the floor in front of
it, and stay there for several hours just watching the water level go
d---o---w---n.) and put them back on their original diet with the supps
including cod liver oil. I also see much broiled chicken breast in his (their)
immediate future...and I'm going to be getting the Olivet and Transfer Factor (I
need to check back the emails that my memory is serving me right
here).Because they are not eating
enough, whatever I've given them so far.
I'll be keeping a very vigilant eye on him
this weekend.
I'm wondering now if the 'hiding' is really
hiding:
I discovered that his current spot is the
lower drawer of a tall file cabinet i recently moved into that room. It has a
pillow in it from when one of my neg cats used to jump into it for
hours.
My concern arises from the fact that Levi
has never, ever been out of sight in the past year--not once. (And of course,
he's scratching, and eating less.)
Do you think this is 'illness hiding' or
just normal cat behavior? As I say, if he's always found some little nook to go
i wdn't be worried. But that has not been his style in the past. He's always
been the gang's"fearless, ferocious leader" :)
At least he's still giving me eye
contact--he's focused. I'm just so worried he's going to go the same way as
Caramel.
Thanks again for everyone's input.
Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:52
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re:
ringworm

In a message dated 1/13/2005 3:59:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thanks Lisa.

Is there any way to tell if it's ringworm
without shaving?

Oh yesthey can look under a "woods lamp" or a black light lamp
reallyand MOST ringworm will florecess a green color...but not all...AND
they can do a culture..they take a few hairs from around the spot and they let
it grow..this usually take 10 days thoughThe only reason they shaved my
kitties is b/c they all had obvious hairloss and lesions on themsome cats
can have it without even showing any signs of it...

RE: Simon got chemo today

Simon is such a little trooper--a real inspiration. I hope you and Simon
have a peaceful weekend, and he continues to feel good and happy. I love
it that he's even surprised the oncologist.
much love and big hugs to you both, Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:30 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Simon got chemo today

I took Simon to the oncologist and the news was mixed. On the very good
side, 
his bilirubin was down from over 9 to only 2.3!  This is still almost
three 
times normal, but quite a drop, and enough of a drop to safely give him
the 
full dose of CCNU.  Because it seems likely that the heavy doses of
steroids he 
got last weekend (and your prayers!) killed off enough lymphoma to bring
the 
bilirubin down and make him feel good (more on that later), he also got
a dex 
shot with the CCNU.

The bad news is that his PCV was down to 11 on the machine reading and 9
on 
the hand reading (the latter of which is supposed to be more accurate).
The 
oncologist suggesting transfusing him again, but I decided not to
because it 
only raised his PCV by one or two points in the past and because,
probably due to 
the steroids (and your prayers!), he is feeling much better than when he

needed transfusions in the past. And I had promised him I would not
leave him 
there.  The oncologist agreed this was fine, that you transfuse the
patient and 
not the number, and that as long as he is bright we can try to ride it
out or I 
can bring him in for a transfusion later.  We discussed Epogen again and

decided not to put him on it. The reason is this:  Simon's anemia is
regenerative-- 
he is still making red blood cells-- but the problem is that the
lymphoma has 
taken over so much of his bone marrow that he has little bone marrow
left to 
make the red blood cells with and so makes many fewer.  When the
lymphoma is 
killed off, his bone marrow bounced back. When he responded to chemo 
previously, he went from a PCV of 11 to one of 33 in two weeks.  If we
can kill enough 
lymphoma, with the chemo and/or steroids, his bone marrow should bounce
back 
again on its own. If we can not kill enough lymphoma, the Epogen will
not save 
him because the lymphoma will take over all of the bone marrow.  And he
seems 
so much better on fewer medicines that I really do not want to keep
adding 
things to his little body that do not have a high probability of helping
him 
(granted, the CCNU does not have a high probability of helping, but if
it does it 
will take care of the root problem which the Epogen would not).

The oncologist was rather surprised to be treating Simon again. When I
asked 
him to give me a probability of the chances that CCNU will help Simon,
he said 
all bets are off with Simon. I'm not going to try to predict anything
with 
him anymore.

Simon is very far from out of the woods, and his PCV is obviously a big 
worry.  But I am going to try to treat him like a love bug, rather than
a number, 
and just be glad he is feeling so good and happy while he is.

Thanks for all your prayers (and please keep them coming!),
Michelle

P.S. We took a bunch of pictures yesterday and today of simon looking
really 
silly and cute, laying on his back for belly rubs and looking and
Buddhas, and 
wanted to share them with you because you all have been so involved with
his 
story.  However, I tried a way of posting them for free on the web but
it did 
not work (photobucket). If anyone knows of a different way I can do that
and 
send you the link, I will.  

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RE: OMIGOD MR BEAN IS NEGATIVE

Title: Message

That's
fantastic news Barbara! Well done, Mr Bean! Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara
LoweSent: Friday, January 14, 2005 10:29 AMTo:
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: OMIGOD MR BEAN IS
NEGATIVE
sorry for shouting. just came back from walking my
dog and there was a phone message-the vet said, got back the bloodwork and Mr.
Bean's leukemia test came back negative. omigod omigod omigod

and of course being the cynic i am i keep waiting
for the other shoe to drop or rather the disaster that will take its(leukemia's)
place

I contacted the vet's office that did his CBC a few
years ago to get those records so I can go over them with my vet. (he was
originally at the other office but now has his own practice.) (dont' remember
exactly what his CBC was last time other than the devastating news he was
postive because in between those years, my dad died, had to take care of my mom
with parkinson's and then her dying and one kitty dying from fip, 2 from
leukemia and then my dog with her cancer. )

should have gotten Clancy tested again while I had
him there at the vet since he still hates his mommy for vet catch game
yesterday. he's my only other postive knock on wood...it would be so great if he
wasn't positive because it woudl mean I could foster again.

waiting to hear back from my vet who was w/ an
appt.
guess I will reorder that ambrotose
though!
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RE: Levi

Title: Message

No, he
decided to forego my lap/blanket last night :)

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A
GabbertSent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:53 PMTo:
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi
Have you been able to look where he is scratching yet?
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks Lisa! You guys are a mine of
information!
Until we know what the problem is, I've so
far rigged up the humidifier (in which Levi has taken quite a bit of
interest--one of my neg cats, the lazy beautiful one, used it for meditation
purposes in previous years-- loved when it bubbled immediately after
filling, and then would promptly snag the best 'seat' on the floor in front of
it, and stay there for several hours just watching the water level go
d---o---w---n.) and put them back on their original diet with the supps
including cod liver oil. I also see much broiled chicken breast in his (their)
immediate future...and I'm going to be getting the Olivet and Transfer Factor
(I need to check back the emails that my memory is serving me right
here).Because they are not eating
enough, whatever I've given them so far.
I'll be keeping a very vigilant eye on him
this weekend.
I'm wondering now if the 'hiding' is
really hiding:
I discovered that his current spot is the
lower drawer of a tall file cabinet i recently moved into that room. It has a
pillow in it from when one of my neg cats used to jump into it for
hours.
My concern arises from the fact that Levi
has never, ever been out of sight in the past year--not once. (And of course,
he's scratching, and eating less.)
Do you think this is 'illness hiding' or
just normal cat behavior? As I say, if he's always found some little nook to
go i wdn't be worried. But that has not been his style in the past. He's
always been the gang's"fearless, ferocious leader" :)
At least he's still giving me eye
contact--he's focused. I'm just so worried he's going to go the same way as
Caramel.
Thanks again for everyone's input.
Kerry

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:52
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re:
ringworm

In a message dated 1/13/2005 3:59:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thanks Lisa.

Is there any way to tell if it's
ringworm without shaving?

Lisaand
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RE: Levi/cat meditation objects

Title: Message

Sounds like something elseSimon is
deriving a lot of pleasure from. He's a wise little kitty. Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:58
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi/cat meditation
objects
Simon is obsessed with a little stone water fountain we have. He drinks
from it but also sits for long periods of time staring at it wide-eyed, and
sometimes goes and sits right in front of it to watch the details of how it
falls from one level to the other. He never lived in this part of the
house before (our negative lived in it-- we've switched everything around to be
able to better be with and monitor Simon since last week) so the fountain is new
to him. I think it helps his mood to look at it and he does, in fact, seem
to be meditating on it sometimes. The Buddha pictures are right behind it,
so it is sort of funny. I think my partner took a picture of him doing this,
which at some point I will figure out how to post somewhere based on the
suggestions and offers of web pages sent to me (thanks to those who sent
them).
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RE: Levi