Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
At 10:44 AM -0400 8/22/07, Stu McIntire wrote: I would appreciate someone pointing me to a resource that tells how best to go about getting permission to set a published poem to music, with the expectation that the resulting piece will be performed and published eventually, even if just by me. Thanks, all - Stu Very simple, really. Anything published before 1923 is in the public domain (in the U.S.), and may be used freely by anyone. It belongs to all of us. Anything published after that is probably still under copyright, meaning that it belongs to the copyright owner, and you must ask permission to use it, and pay whatever fee or royalty the copyright owner asks or not use it. You need a contract spelling that out in writing before any publisher will even consider what you have written. (I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice!) John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
Christopher Smith wrote: [snip] Ah, I see. No, I have put arrows in all kinds of places, and they never work in EPS export. I haven't exhaustively tested every possible place, but inside and outside the staff on all four sides makes no difference. Oh well, it was a guess. Sorry. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
Friends, I would note that in response to part of what John Howell wrote: ...Anything published after that is probably still under copyright, meaning that it belongs to the copyright owner, and you must ask permission to use it, and pay whatever fee or royalty the copyright owner asks or not use it that the word probably may be overstating the case. Items copyrighted in the U.S. after 1923, and before a date in the mid 1960's (If I remember correctly, and I don't have time at the moment to be sure that I do) were copyrighted for a term of 28 years, and then, for the copyright to remain in force, had to be renewed. The copyright office has reported that of all of the copyrights which required renewal, half were never renewed, and these items are in the public domain. My recollection is that in the mid 1960's, renewal was made automatic. It may also be worth taking to account that copyrights are granted, and renewed without test of the validity of the copyright. I've seen copyrights claimed on the basis of respelling a single chord, or changing a single word in a lyric, and I doubt very much that if tested in court, that these copyright claims would be sustained. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:34 PM, Claudio Pompili wrote: Don't know about FinMac2k8 EPS but I've done a lot of EPS from Fin2k7c/OSX 10.4.10 to Word 2k4 in last 6 months without any problems (after I'd done some serious re-organising of all of my fonts [I use PS Type 1 fonts wherever possible] and noting all the discussions on EPS probs on this list). The issue for me was which format graphic file, other than the full EPS, to use that offered a good compromise between clarity and size, noting that Word 2k4's preferred format is PNG. At times there are significant file size differences between Preview and Graphic Convertor, the reasons for which I haven't as yet cracked, however, both PNG's are very presentable even with some reasonable enlargement. Did a lot of tests 6 months ago and went with Finale 2k7 Export as EPS (fonts embedded) and then converted to PNG either in Preview or Graphic Converter 5.9 (www.lemkesoft.com). For annotated examples I use Illustrator CS3 and export to PNG. I was curious about Darcy's workflow to PrintSave as PDF, then crop in Preview and import the PDF into Word. Did some tests this morning using a fairly basic Fin2k7 score with Maestro and Engraver Type1 fonts and other text fonts. All fairly standard. I created both a PDF (PrintSave as PDF) and EPS (Export EPS) files from FinMac2k7. I put together a comparison Word 2k4 doc of both PDF (132kb) and EPS (492kb) files from all three graphics apps. Using the PDF file (132kb of complete page) as the starting point, I found that when I did the cropped PDF in Preview, it retains all of the underlying PDF data so file size is not reduced from original. Secondly, when the cropped PDF is dragged into Word 2k4, the onscreen image appears initially acceptable but on closer inspection quite fuzzy at modest magnifications. Similarly at modest magnification not good when printed to Brother laser HL-1430 600dpi and HP LaserJet 1200dpi. Don't understand this result only my system. It's because Word only prints the screen preview, at screen resolution. It doesn't print the actual PDF itself, which if it has only text (no pictures) is infinitely scaleable at your printer's full resolution. Pages is the only consumer-level program I know of on Mac that imports PDF properly. You have to lay out big bucks for a full publication app to get that, normally. Using the same starting PDF file, I got a got a good result from Preview/Illustrator with modest file size when I converted it to PNG (60kb) and dragged it into Word 2k4. Using the Fin2k7 PDF file. I also tried converting from the PDF to EPS and dragging that into Word2k4. Preview doesn't provide for saving the PDF file as EPS Actually, the Mac OS does. Print the PDF, but under PDF in the Print dialogue, select Save PDF as Postscript. That will do it. When I tried this with a PDF with my arrows, I got an error. Other Finale files worked out fine. I just wasn't able to crop the PS file directly; I had to do it to the PDF first. but both Graphic Converter and Illustrator do but create EPS files of around 700kb in size. When dragged into Word 2k4, the onscreen graphic looks awful but prints in crisp EPS clarity. Still, this could be a workaround if having problems with Finale's Export EPS. Of course, the very best results in the most straightforward manner were achieved by starting with the Fin2k7 export EPS file and embedded fonts. Absolutely. Thanks so much for your exhaustive (and exhausting, I am sure!) tests and comments. Best, Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
At 06:43 AM 8/23/2007 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: that the word probably may be overstating the case. Items copyrighted in the U.S. after 1923, and before a date in the mid 1960's (If I remember correctly, and I don't have time at the moment to be sure that I do) were copyrighted for a term of 28 years, and then, for the copyright to remain in force, had to be renewed. The copyright office has reported that of all of the copyrights which required renewal, half were never renewed, and these items are in the public domain. The 1994 law included restored copyright for many works in the public domain. It's a minefield for composers. This article has good information: http://www.newmusicbox.org/article.nmbx?id=4576 If you can stand it, check out 104A, copyright in restored works... http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_0104---A000-.html ...especially (a)(1)(A) and (B) and (h)(6)(C)(i) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
On 22 Aug 2007 at 11:58, John Howell wrote: Anything published before 1923 is in the public domain (in the U.S.), and may be used freely by anyone. It belongs to all of us. What about a public-domain poem published in a critical edition that is itself under copyright, such as a Norton anthology? Is it not the case that the particular variant spellings and line breaks and so forth might make it prudent (if not strictly required) that you seek permission from the publisher of the edition? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: The 1994 law included restored copyright for many works in the public domain. It's a minefield for composers. I concede that the issue of restored copyright has caused problems for composers, but for the most part, unless one is dealing with material from the former Soviet Union, or from countries in its sphere of influence, restored copyright provisions do not constitute a major issue, as the number of affected composers and affected works is relatively small. Further, the Copyright Office statement was made in a couple of years into the current decade, and suggests that if one is interested in a published text published between 1923 and 1977, that it might be well worth checking to see if in fact the item is still in copyright. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
custom arrowheads in custom smart lines have not exported properly in EPS for several versions, at least back to 2005. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
claudio, you don't mention if you were using smart shapes; this is where the problem is that is being discussed. Don't know about FinMac2k8 EPS but I've done a lot of EPS from Fin2k7c/OSX 10.4.10 to Word 2k4 in last 6 months without any problems -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
At 8:08 AM -0400 8/23/07, David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Aug 2007 at 11:58, John Howell wrote: Anything published before 1923 is in the public domain (in the U.S.), and may be used freely by anyone. It belongs to all of us. What about a public-domain poem published in a critical edition that is itself under copyright, such as a Norton anthology? Is it not the case that the particular variant spellings and line breaks and so forth might make it prudent (if not strictly required) that you seek permission from the publisher of the edition? Same thing as with copyrighted editions or collections of PD music, I would think. The PD poem cannot be re-copyrighted, and only the new editorial work is protected. Norton has anthologies of music, as well. But a valid question. The easy end-run to avoid it without having to answer it is to find the poem in an earlier PD volume. John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] RE: Size
Another version of yesterday's problem. Regarding yesterday, I had to re-adjust the right system margins page by page, but at least I got things back to normal. However, if I try to adjust the pages with % Tool the measures of the final pages again are grossly oversized. I can't seem to find a fix. I have a hunch that the problem relates to the fact that the complete score file was put together from three smaller files for the individual movements. But, I have no idea how to fix it. Any ideas out there? Thanks in advance. Bruce E. Clausen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Size
At 12:57 PM 8/23/2007 -0700, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Regarding yesterday, I had to re-adjust the right system margins page by page, but at least I got things back to normal. However, if I try to adjust the pages with % Tool the measures of the final pages again are grossly oversized. I can't seem to find a fix. I have a hunch that the problem relates to the fact that the complete score file was put together from three smaller files for the individual movements. But, I have no idea how to fix it. Any ideas out there? I think you may be creating a mess by doing things in a confusing order. Think of these all as 'nested' actions. Very roughly, try this order: First make sure the page size is consistent. Resize all pages. Update layout. Select all the pages in the page margin dialog and make them the same. Update layout. Fix the first system's margins. Update layout. Select all systems from #2 onward and make their margins the same. Update layout. Select all staves and make sure they are all at 100%. Update layout. Select all systems and make sure they are all at 100%. Update layout. Select all pages and make sure they are all at 100%. Update layout. (I think there's an option to reset everything, but I don't remember where it is.) Now go back and make the changes to percentage that you want. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Size
On Aug 23, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Another version of yesterday's problem. Regarding yesterday, I had to re-adjust the right system margins page by page, but at least I got things back to normal. Ooh, you don't have to do it individually! If you select Adjust System Margins from the Page Layout menu, then click on a system you like the settings for, then in the Adjust System Margins window select from [insert system number] to _ [leave it blank to go to the end of the document] and hit Apply. All the systems will inherit the settings of the one you first clicked on. If you only want some settings applied, then make sure only those boxes are checked. However, if I try to adjust the pages with % Tool the measures of the final pages again are grossly oversized. I STRONGLY suggest that you don't use the % tool for resizing pages. Use the tool to resize systems instead, by clicking between the clefs of two staves. This will preserve the size and position of all your titles and other page-attached stuff, and greatly simplify your life in other ways. there are 4 ways to use the % tool 1. click a note to resize it. 2 click a staff (usually on the clef) to resize it 3 click between the clefs of two staves in the same system to resize the system USE THIS ONE 4 click in the margin of a page to resize it. You often get a dialogue box asking you the range you want to resize. Leave the second field blank to go to the end of the document. I can't seem to find a fix. I have a hunch that the problem relates to the fact that the complete score file was put together from three smaller files for the individual movements. Yes, all the original settings were preserved when you glued the works together. But, I have no idea how to fix it. See my advice about resizing system margins and the resize tool. Two steps to make your entire score the same top to bottom. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
On Aug 23, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: The 1994 law included restored copyright for many works in the public domain. It's a minefield for composers. I concede that the issue of restored copyright has caused problems for composers, but for the most part, unless one is dealing with material from the former Soviet Union, or from countries in its sphere of influence, restored copyright provisions do not constitute a major issue, as the number of affected composers and affected works is relatively small. Not true. The restored copyright provision applied to all works whose copyright had run out due to failure to renew, and automatically extended their terms to what they would have been had the renewal taken place. Since, in turn, such a hypothetical renewal would take the work's copyright into the jurisdictional period of the current law (and its later ammendments) the actual copyright period for *anything* published after 1923 is life plus 70. The one exception would be if the creator deliberately placed the work in the public domain. That is, when pigs fly. If I had the opportunity to ask one question of any of the presidential candidates, it would be this: Under current US copyright law, if someone writes a pop song at the age of 20, and then lives to be 80 years old, the song would remain under copyright for a total of 130 years. Do you think this is appropriate, and if not, what would you do about it? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:08 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: What about a public-domain poem published in a critical edition that is itself under copyright, such as a Norton anthology? Is it not the case that the particular variant spellings and line breaks and so forth might make it prudent (if not strictly required) that you seek permission from the publisher of the edition? Absolutely. And the workaround, as someone else mentioned, is to find a PD version of the work and start with that. That is what Harry Partch did w. _Oedipus_, for example. Another point worth mentioning is that if you go back to the original PD source of something old, and make your own editorial clean-up of the piece, you are not in violation of any other edition's copyright even if your editorial decisions turn out to be identical to theirs. Of course, you might be asked to *prove* that the similarity was coincidental, wh. gets a bit dicey... Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
At 05:11 PM 8/23/2007 -0400, Andrew Stiller wrote: The one exception would be if the creator deliberately placed the work in the public domain. That is, when pigs fly. Some pigs do fly. I just saw some of the scores by John Greschak (whose IWBNI site is now indexed again, by the way, at http://www.greschak.com/notation/finale/iwbni/ ). Some of John's scores are placed in the public domain. And a few years ago I placed all my computer articles and software from 1978 through 1990 in the public domain. Little pigs, but they have wings. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:58 AM, John Howell wrote: Anything published after[1923] is probably still under copyright, meaning that it belongs to the copyright owner, and you must ask permission to use it, and pay whatever fee or royalty the copyright owner asks or not use it. You need a contract spelling that out in writing before any publisher will even consider what you have written. Note, too, that two separate permissions are required: one for your use of the copyrighted material in your new work, and a separate permission to publish the result. Of course both these issues can be addressed in a single contract, but you have to be aware that if you ask, can I quote this piece of yours in a piece of mine? and the answer comes back, Yes, and this is the fee, and you pay the fee, you have still not gotten permission to actually publish the copyrighted material. One of the composers I publish naively assumed that the copyright office would keep abreast of such things, so that if he was able to copyright an arrangement, that would prove he had the right to do so. I disabused him of this, but he had already gone ahead and made violin+orch. arrangements of tunes from King Crimson and another from _Jesus Christ Superstar_. At my advice he wrote to the King Crimson copyrights holder, Hal Leonard, asking permission both to compose what he had already done, and to publish it. H.L. said yes, but then asked a fee equivalent to the entire expected earnings of the proposed publication. So all his work is down the drain--at least for another 100 years or so. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
In response to part of what Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote, The 1994 law included restored copyright for many works in the public domain. It's a minefield for composers. I wrote, asserting I concede that the issue of restored copyright has caused problems for composers, but for the most part, unless one is dealing with material from the former Soviet Union, or from countries in its sphere of influence, restored copyright provisions do not constitute a major issue, as the number of affected composers and affected works is relatively small. In rebuttal, Andrew Stiller wrote, in part Not true. The restored copyright provision applied to all works whose copyright had run out due to failure to renew, and automatically extended their terms to what they would have been had the renewal taken place. Since, in turn, such a hypothetical renewal would take the work's copyright into the jurisdictional period of the current law (and its later ammendments) the actual copyright period for *anything* published after 1923 is life plus 70. However, this does not appear to be consistent with the infomation contained on the Cornell University website, at http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/copyrightterm.pdf, nor with Circular 3 issued by the U.S. Copyright office, which expressly states (P.L. 103-465) modified the effect of publication without notice for certain foreign works. Under this Act, copyright is automatically restored, effective January 1, 1996, for certain foreign works placed into the public domain because of lack of proper notice or noncompliance with other legal requirements. (cf: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ03.html) ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
I meant, in my post, in reference to the item on the Cornell University website (cf. http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/copyrightterm.pdf) to particularly call attention to the fourth line from the bottom of page 1, and to footnote 7 on page 3. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
A total of *150* years, no? (80 +70 = 150). And this is provided the copyright terms are not further extended during the composer's lifetime. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2007, at 5:11 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: If I had the opportunity to ask one question of any of the presidential candidates, it would be this: Under current US copyright law, if someone writes a pop song at the age of 20, and then lives to be 80 years old, the song would remain under copyright for a total of 130 years. Do you think this is appropriate, and if not, what would you do about it? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
Never mind -- I'm an idiot. The song was written when the composer was *20*, so *60*+70, not 80+70. Writing a hit song before your first birthday might be a little much for even the most talented of prodigies. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2007, at 7:07 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: A total of *150* years, no? (80 +70 = 150). And this is provided the copyright terms are not further extended during the composer's lifetime. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2007, at 5:11 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: If I had the opportunity to ask one question of any of the presidential candidates, it would be this: Under current US copyright law, if someone writes a pop song at the age of 20, and then lives to be 80 years old, the song would remain under copyright for a total of 130 years. Do you think this is appropriate, and if not, what would you do about it? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Size
Hi, Christopher. I've tried the (Adjust) Edit Systems fix (WinFin06' XP) you recommended but it has not worked, alas. I've noticed that on the problem pages the system handles extend well beyond the bottom of the page to about 32. I can't find a way to click/drag/edit/cajole/threaten the handles back into place. All of this takes place on systems 34-54. System 33, as you suggested, was used to edit through the end of the piece but to no avail. I'm sure it's something I've screwed up inadvertantly. Thanks for your patience and help. Bruce Clausen - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size On Aug 23, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Another version of yesterday's problem. Regarding yesterday, I had to re-adjust the right system margins page by page, but at least I got things back to normal. Ooh, you don't have to do it individually! If you select Adjust System Margins from the Page Layout menu, then click on a system you like the settings for, then in the Adjust System Margins window select from [insert system number] to _ [leave it blank to go to the end of the document] and hit Apply. All the systems will inherit the settings of the one you first clicked on. If you only want some settings applied, then make sure only those boxes are checked. However, if I try to adjust the pages with % Tool the measures of the final pages again are grossly oversized. I STRONGLY suggest that you don't use the % tool for resizing pages. Use the tool to resize systems instead, by clicking between the clefs of two staves. This will preserve the size and position of all your titles and other page-attached stuff, and greatly simplify your life in other ways. there are 4 ways to use the % tool 1. click a note to resize it. 2 click a staff (usually on the clef) to resize it 3 click between the clefs of two staves in the same system to resize the system USE THIS ONE 4 click in the margin of a page to resize it. You often get a dialogue box asking you the range you want to resize. Leave the second field blank to go to the end of the document. I can't seem to find a fix. I have a hunch that the problem relates to the fact that the complete score file was put together from three smaller files for the individual movements. Yes, all the original settings were preserved when you glued the works together. But, I have no idea how to fix it. See my advice about resizing system margins and the resize tool. Two steps to make your entire score the same top to bottom. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music
I just became aware of this: http://www.forgottenamericanmusic.com/new_fulton_band2.htm And I think the music is quite delightful. And, despite certain infelicities, the recordings are quite listenable, even though they were accomplished with a single sight-reading session for each piece. Band folks: is there lots of this kind of stuff going on? If so, that's *fabulous*! -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
At 05:23 PM 8/23/2007 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: However, this does not appear to be consistent with the infomation contained on the Cornell University website Read the actual law, particularly the section that I referenced. That should make it clear. The reference to certain foreign works is in another section. You want (a)(1)(A) and (B) and (h)(6)(C)(i). Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update
At 12:02 -0500 23/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 25 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:59:05 +0200 From: shirling neueweise [EMAIL PROTECTED] claudio, you don't mention if you were using smart shapes; this is where the problem is that is being discussed. Yes, the original Fin2k7 file contained smart shapes but no arrow heads -- cheers, Claudio Claudio Pompili composer, sound designer, music consultant http://www.claudiopompili.net.au/ (**2002-2003 Golden Web Award**) AMC http://www.amcoz.com.au ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music
At 9:17 PM -0400 8/23/07, David W. Fenton wrote: I just became aware of this: http://www.forgottenamericanmusic.com/new_fulton_band2.htm And I think the music is quite delightful. And, despite certain infelicities, the recordings are quite listenable, even though they were accomplished with a single sight-reading session for each piece. Band folks: is there lots of this kind of stuff going on? If so, that's *fabulous*! I wouldn't say lots, but yes, it's a growing trend, and in almost every case a labor of love for the folks who organize the sites. This one was new to me. There is a Sousa Project somewhere (I may have it bookmarked) that I don't think is completely limited to Sousa's music (which went far beyond just the 10 best-known marches). And I recently downloaded several pieces as PDFs from yet another site. Having the recorded demos is fabulous, but those of us involved in bands are more concerned with being able to get the music so we can play them! The problem is that this turn-of-the-century repertoire was written for bands with one kind of instrumentation, and the pieces really have to be totally re-edited for the instrumentation of a modern band. That takes time. It looks as if these Fulton pieces are being reedited slowly and being made available on the website, and you can tell how much a labor of love it is when they are selling for only $20 plus PH! John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music
John Howell wrote: At 9:17 PM -0400 8/23/07, David W. Fenton wrote: I just became aware of this: http://www.forgottenamericanmusic.com/new_fulton_band2.htm And I think the music is quite delightful. And, despite certain infelicities, the recordings are quite listenable, even though they were accomplished with a single sight-reading session for each piece. Band folks: is there lots of this kind of stuff going on? If so, that's *fabulous*! I wouldn't say lots, but yes, it's a growing trend, and in almost every case a labor of love for the folks who organize the sites. This one was new to me. There is a Sousa Project somewhere (I may have it bookmarked) that I don't think is completely limited to Sousa's music (which went far beyond just the 10 best-known marches). And I recently downloaded several pieces as PDFs from yet another site. Having the recorded demos is fabulous, but those of us involved in bands are more concerned with being able to get the music so we can play them! The problem is that this turn-of-the-century repertoire was written for bands with one kind of instrumentation, and the pieces really have to be totally re-edited for the instrumentation of a modern band. That takes time. It looks as if these Fulton pieces are being reedited slowly and being made available on the website, and you can tell how much a labor of love it is when they are selling for only $20 plus PH! John The instrumentation difference is not quite as major as you make it seem, really. Just look at this list from David's link: --- * Full Score * (4) C Flute + opt Pic * (1) Eb Clarinet * (3) 1'st Bb Clarinets * (3) 2'nd Bb Clarinets * (3) 3'rd Bb Clarinets * (1) Bb Bass Clarinet* * (2) Bassoon* * (2) 1'st Eb Alto Sax * (2) 2'nd Eb Alto Sax * (1) Tenor Sax * (1) Baritone Sax* * (2) Solo Cornet** * (2) 1'st Trumpet * (2) 2'nd Trumpet * (2) 1'st-2'nd Horn in F * (2) 3'rd-4'th Horn in F * (2) 1'st Trombone * (2) 2'nd Trombone * (1) BC Baritone Horn * (1) TC Baritone Horn * (2) Tuba * (1) Snare Drum * (2) Bass Drum Cymbals. * = optional parts not included in original edition. ** = solo here just indicates the melody. It can and should be doubled. --- The re-editing in this case consisted of adding parts for Bass Clarinet, Bassoons, and Bar. Sax. Simple enough - most of that would come from the tuba part or an upper octave bass line part (probably both in the bassoons). Earlier works for wind groups generally did not have sax parts, so more work (and more editorial presumption) would be needed in those cases. The editor could have gone farther to match modern band standards, if he had wanted - there is no oboe part listed, for example, and that would have done no harm. Raymond Horton ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music
David W. Fenton wrote: I just became aware of this: http://www.forgottenamericanmusic.com/new_fulton_band2.htm And I think the music is quite delightful. And, despite certain infelicities, the recordings are quite listenable, even though they were accomplished with a single sight-reading session for each piece. Band folks: is there lots of this kind of stuff going on? If so, that's *fabulous*! Thanks for the link! Quite interesting! There is stuff like this happening around. Take a look at this, on Custer's last Band: http://www.usd.edu/smm/Vinatierimusic.html Steve Charpié, who was in charge of this, was around Louisville for a time after he did this (played some extra with the LO), and I bought a copy of the CD from him. We spoke about trying to make some of the music available for modern ensembles. He seemed pretty exhausted with the project, but I wasn't - I had an idea of taking the Finale files he had prepared for the small group from the CD, go back to his photocopies of the Vinatieri MS's, and publish something both scholarly and playable, (probably for modern brass band as the closest thing to Vinatieri's ensemble). But we never got past the talking on the tour bus stage before he left town for good. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist Louisville Orchestra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music
Hey, John ... could you clue me in as to what site you visited to get the PDF's? Are they in score format, condensed, or what? I'm attempting to upgrade my bandstrating skills, and find that score study is an excellent way to do it, especially if a performance is available. Thanks, Dean On Aug 23, 2007, at 6:36 PM, John Howell wrote: At 9:17 PM -0400 8/23/07, David W. Fenton wrote: I just became aware of this: http://www.forgottenamericanmusic.com/new_fulton_band2.htm And I think the music is quite delightful. And, despite certain infelicities, the recordings are quite listenable, even though they were accomplished with a single sight-reading session for each piece. Band folks: is there lots of this kind of stuff going on? If so, that's *fabulous*! I wouldn't say lots, but yes, it's a growing trend, and in almost every case a labor of love for the folks who organize the sites. This one was new to me. There is a Sousa Project somewhere (I may have it bookmarked) that I don't think is completely limited to Sousa's music (which went far beyond just the 10 best-known marches). And I recently downloaded several pieces as PDFs from yet another site. Having the recorded demos is fabulous, but those of us involved in bands are more concerned with being able to get the music so we can play them! The problem is that this turn-of-the-century repertoire was written for bands with one kind of instrumentation, and the pieces really have to be totally re-edited for the instrumentation of a modern band. That takes time. It looks as if these Fulton pieces are being reedited slowly and being made available on the website, and you can tell how much a labor of love it is when they are selling for only $20 plus PH! John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home Why do they sterilize the needle for lethal injections? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music
At 10:00 PM -0400 8/23/07, Raymond Horton wrote: The instrumentation difference is not quite as major as you make it seem, really. Just look at this list from David's link: --- * Full Score * (4) C Flute + opt Pic * (1) Eb Clarinet * (3) 1'st Bb Clarinets * (3) 2'nd Bb Clarinets * (3) 3'rd Bb Clarinets * (1) Bb Bass Clarinet* * (2) Bassoon* * (2) 1'st Eb Alto Sax * (2) 2'nd Eb Alto Sax * (1) Tenor Sax* (1) Baritone Sax* * (2) Solo Cornet** * (2) 1'st Trumpet * (2) 2'nd Trumpet * (2) 1'st-2'nd Horn in F * (2) 3'rd-4'th Horn in F * (2) 1'st Trombone * (2) 2'nd Trombone * (1) BC Baritone Horn * (1) TC Baritone Horn* (2) Tuba * (1) Snare Drum* (2) Bass Drum Cymbals. * = optional parts not included in original edition. ** = solo here just indicates the melody. It can and should be doubled. --- The re-editing in this case consisted of adding parts for Bass Clarinet, Bassoons, and Bar. Sax. Simple enough - most of that would come from the tuba part or an upper octave bass line part (probably both in the bassoons). Earlier works for wind groups generally did not have sax parts, so more work (and more editorial presumption) would be needed in those cases. The marches and smears I downloaded have a few more problems. ALWAYS Db piccolo, and sometimes no C flute parts. Sometimes oboe, sometimes not, and bassoons likewise. Sometimes no saxes, but other times saxes including soprano (and never 1st and 2nd alto). And the brass parts often seem to reflect a saxhorn band plus trombones, or perhaps the English/European brass band background: cornets rather than trumpets, including Eb cornet in many cases; Eb altos; Bb tenors, PLUS Bb baritones, PLUS 2 trombones sometimes in treble clef and sometimes in bass. And never, EVER anything like a full score. Not even a condensed score. Just a Solo Cornet part with a few cues in it. Don't get me wrong; transcribing is possible and I plan to work on some, but I'm working from PDFs of scans of the original quickstep sized parts, and sometimes the scans are ambiguous about things like ledger lines. The first thing I'll have to do is to reconstruct a full score of the original version, just to make sure I can see everything that's happening and how the doublings are balanced. Of course I'm at a bit of a disadvantage because I hate the concept of just borrowing lines from existing parts and pasting them into the parts I'm adding, but sometimes that's the only thing you can do and remain true to the original. When I add String Paks to holliday band arrangements, on the other hand, I always try to add some new sweetening that is NOT in the original. Fun, though! John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music
At 6:47 PM -0700 8/23/07, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Hey, John ... could you clue me in as to what site you visited to get the PDF's? Are they in score format, condensed, or what? I'm attempting to upgrade my bandstrating skills, and find that score study is an excellent way to do it, especially if a performance is available. North Royalton Community Band Digital Music Library Dana M. Bailey, Jr. Collection Music Committee Members Tom Pechnik, Senior Archivist; Mary Phillips; Wayne Dydo; Bill Park, Director 14713 Ridge Rd. North Royalton, OH 44133 www.nr-cb. They are scans of the original quickstep sized parts, no scores (never any published), and no audio clips at that particular website. Pretty good selection of pieces, many if not most from the Filmore Bros. Co. in Cincinnati. You can really see where Hal Leonard got the idea for the simplified marching band arrangements they were publishing 'way back in the early '50s: melody for C and Bb instruments; first harmony part for Bb instruments; second harmony part for Bb and Eb instruments; countermelody part for Bb instruments in different clefs; bass line with alternate key signatures for bari sax; and drums. Very solid, none of those chirping woodwind parts! John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] note trees
Does anybody here have any experience and any in- or out-of-manual wisdom on chromatic note trees? I played around a little with custom stems but couldn't quite get them to work? Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Size
On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Hi, Christopher. I've tried the (Adjust) Edit Systems fix (WinFin06' XP) you recommended but it has not worked, alas. I've noticed that on the problem pages the system handles extend well beyond the bottom of the page to about 32. I can't find a way to click/drag/edit/cajole/threaten the handles back into place. All of this takes place on systems 34-54. System 33, as you suggested, was used to edit through the end of the piece but to no avail. I'm sure it's something I've screwed up inadvertantly. Thanks for your patience and help. Bruce Clausen Bruce, None of this is a fatal problem. I quote from before If you select Adjust System Margins from the Page Layout menu, then click on a system you like the settings for, then in the Adjust System Margins window select from [insert system number] to _ [leave it blank to go to the end of the document] and hit Apply. All the systems will inherit the settings of the one you first clicked on. If you only want some settings applied, then make sure only those boxes are checked. In this box you can also MANUALLY put in values for each of the margins. Plus is right or up, negative is left or down, all values calculated from the staff lines. All you have to do is click the system, select Adjust System Margins, then enter a value like 0 for the bottom system margin, hit Apply. If you say Apply to Systems 34 through [blank] it will make this adjustment for every system from 34 to the end. Then all the bottom handles will all be nestled tightly against the bottom right-hand staff of each system. This is very powerful stuff, and you have to know it. Look up in the manual under Adjust System Margins. You won't be sorry. If this doesn't work you might have file corruption. Send me the file privately and I will take a look. Don't worry, I am not in the habit of stealing people's works and passing them off as my own. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music
John Howell wrote: The marches and smears I downloaded have a few more problems. ALWAYS Db piccolo, and sometimes no C flute parts. Sometimes oboe, sometimes not, and bassoons likewise. Sometimes no saxes, but other times saxes including soprano (and never 1st and 2nd alto). And the brass parts often seem to reflect a saxhorn band plus trombones, or perhaps the English/European brass band background: cornets rather than trumpets, including Eb cornet in many cases; Eb altos; Bb tenors, PLUS Bb baritones, PLUS 2 trombones sometimes in treble clef and sometimes in bass. And never, EVER anything like a full score. Not even a condensed score. Just a Solo Cornet part with a few cues in it. Don't get me wrong; transcribing is possible and I plan to work on some, but I'm working from PDFs of scans of the original quickstep sized parts, and sometimes the scans are ambiguous about things like ledger lines. The first thing I'll have to do is to reconstruct a full score of the original version, just to make sure I can see everything that's happening and how the doublings are balanced. Of course I'm at a bit of a disadvantage because I hate the concept of just borrowing lines from existing parts and pasting them into the parts I'm adding, but sometimes that's the only thing you can do and remain true to the original. When I add String Paks to holliday band arrangements, on the other hand, I always try to add some new sweetening that is NOT in the original. Fun, though! John I see, yes, you do have more problems, as you are working with earlier instrumentations which are more like brass band plus treble reeds. No flute parts - interesting!And I always thought the convention of Db picc with C flute was odd. [When I played rodeos, in my late teens (ca. 1972), which included the fastest gallops (marches played one beat to a bar) I've ever had to play, the picc player would keep both a C and Db picc on his lap.] One thing - it seems to me that in _all_ the old American band music I have ever seen the parts for Bb tenors 12 are identical to trombones 12 except for clef. Is the music you are working with any exception? This is certainly not true in the British brass band tradition, of course (where the equivalent Bb instruments are called baritones, anyway). Missing the Eb soprano cornet is a problem for modern band with these older works, but with more woodwinds in the modern band this can often suffice. I've been working a lot with British-style brass bands, lately, and the Eb soprano cornets are certainly the woodwinds of those groups. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music
This band talk started me doing some surfing, which turned up this quote: A horse, a dog, a girl, a gun, and music on the side that is my idea of heaven. - John Phillip Sousa It's undoubtedly a good thing that I go back to work next week. RBH ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music
Just a comment on the subject of music from this period: there used to be (now lost) in our school music library, an LP of Sousa marches directed by some of his family descendants. It was remarkably light and clear, more transparently orchestrated and played than anything we hear now. It was a revelation to me and made me appreciate the grace of this music, as well as the effect of power we normally get from it. I'd love to hear that recording again, but it's been lost from here for years. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Size
Christopher, I just got a bounceback message from the list. The reply with my file is being held, waiting for approval because of its size. With any luck, you'll get it tomorrow. BC - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Hi, Christopher. I've tried the (Adjust) Edit Systems fix (WinFin06' XP) you recommended but it has not worked, alas. I've noticed that on the problem pages the system handles extend well beyond the bottom of the page to about 32. I can't find a way to click/drag/edit/cajole/threaten the handles back into place. All of this takes place on systems 34-54. System 33, as you suggested, was used to edit through the end of the piece but to no avail. I'm sure it's something I've screwed up inadvertantly. Thanks for your patience and help. Bruce Clausen Bruce, None of this is a fatal problem. I quote from before If you select Adjust System Margins from the Page Layout menu, then click on a system you like the settings for, then in the Adjust System Margins window select from [insert system number] to _ [leave it blank to go to the end of the document] and hit Apply. All the systems will inherit the settings of the one you first clicked on. If you only want some settings applied, then make sure only those boxes are checked. In this box you can also MANUALLY put in values for each of the margins. Plus is right or up, negative is left or down, all values calculated from the staff lines. All you have to do is click the system, select Adjust System Margins, then enter a value like 0 for the bottom system margin, hit Apply. If you say Apply to Systems 34 through [blank] it will make this adjustment for every system from 34 to the end. Then all the bottom handles will all be nestled tightly against the bottom right-hand staff of each system. This is very powerful stuff, and you have to know it. Look up in the manual under Adjust System Margins. You won't be sorry. If this doesn't work you might have file corruption. Send me the file privately and I will take a look. Don't worry, I am not in the habit of stealing people's works and passing them off as my own. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Size
Thanks, Christopher. I have indeed consulted both the manual and tutorial, neither of which is a model of clarity. Perhaps this is my problem, more than theirs. I try not to consult the list without having first done these things. I am grateful for your help and will review and use your suggestions herein. I have no problem with sending you the file if it comes to that. Perhaps tomorrow, if I don't resolve the issue tonight. Thanks again, Bruce - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Hi, Christopher. I've tried the (Adjust) Edit Systems fix (WinFin06' XP) you recommended but it has not worked, alas. I've noticed that on the problem pages the system handles extend well beyond the bottom of the page to about 32. I can't find a way to click/drag/edit/cajole/threaten the handles back into place. All of this takes place on systems 34-54. System 33, as you suggested, was used to edit through the end of the piece but to no avail. I'm sure it's something I've screwed up inadvertantly. Thanks for your patience and help. Bruce Clausen Bruce, None of this is a fatal problem. I quote from before If you select Adjust System Margins from the Page Layout menu, then click on a system you like the settings for, then in the Adjust System Margins window select from [insert system number] to _ [leave it blank to go to the end of the document] and hit Apply. All the systems will inherit the settings of the one you first clicked on. If you only want some settings applied, then make sure only those boxes are checked. In this box you can also MANUALLY put in values for each of the margins. Plus is right or up, negative is left or down, all values calculated from the staff lines. All you have to do is click the system, select Adjust System Margins, then enter a value like 0 for the bottom system margin, hit Apply. If you say Apply to Systems 34 through [blank] it will make this adjustment for every system from 34 to the end. Then all the bottom handles will all be nestled tightly against the bottom right-hand staff of each system. This is very powerful stuff, and you have to know it. Look up in the manual under Adjust System Margins. You won't be sorry. If this doesn't work you might have file corruption. Send me the file privately and I will take a look. Don't worry, I am not in the habit of stealing people's works and passing them off as my own. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Size
Thanks, Darcy. BC - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size Bruce, The list doesn't accept attachments. You should send the file to CHRISTOPHER'S email, not the listserv email. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2007, at 11:50 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Christopher, I just got a bounceback message from the list. The reply with my file is being held, waiting for approval because of its size. With any luck, you'll get it tomorrow. BC - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Hi, Christopher. I've tried the (Adjust) Edit Systems fix (WinFin06' XP) you recommended but it has not worked, alas. I've noticed that on the problem pages the system handles extend well beyond the bottom of the page to about 32. I can't find a way to click/drag/edit/cajole/threaten the handles back into place. All of this takes place on systems 34-54. System 33, as you suggested, was used to edit through the end of the piece but to no avail. I'm sure it's something I've screwed up inadvertantly. Thanks for your patience and help. Bruce Clausen Bruce, None of this is a fatal problem. I quote from before If you select Adjust System Margins from the Page Layout menu, then click on a system you like the settings for, then in the Adjust System Margins window select from [insert system number] to _ [leave it blank to go to the end of the document] and hit Apply. All the systems will inherit the settings of the one you first clicked on. If you only want some settings applied, then make sure only those boxes are checked. In this box you can also MANUALLY put in values for each of the margins. Plus is right or up, negative is left or down, all values calculated from the staff lines. All you have to do is click the system, select Adjust System Margins, then enter a value like 0 for the bottom system margin, hit Apply. If you say Apply to Systems 34 through [blank] it will make this adjustment for every system from 34 to the end. Then all the bottom handles will all be nestled tightly against the bottom right-hand staff of each system. This is very powerful stuff, and you have to know it. Look up in the manual under Adjust System Margins. You won't be sorry. If this doesn't work you might have file corruption. Send me the file privately and I will take a look. Don't worry, I am not in the habit of stealing people's works and passing them off as my own. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Read the actual law, particularly the section that I referenced. That should make it clear. The reference to certain foreign works is in another section. You want (a)(1)(A) and (B) and (h)(6)(C)(i). Section (h) (8) (A) explicitly defines source country for the purposes of of Title 17 Section 104, as A nation other than the United States. Accordingly, (h) (6) (B) specifically applies to items in the public domain in the United States, but subject to copyright in some other place. Furthermore, even if the United States were a source country for purposes of these sections, (h) (6) (B) limits applicability of the section to works which are not in the public domain in [their] source country through expiration of term of protection. But until 1963, in order for the term of protection to be extended, the copyright had to be renewed, and if it was not renewed, the copyright expired and the work entered the public domain through expiration of term of copyright, and therefore are ineligible because they fail to meet the test of (h) (6) (B). ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Size
Bruce, The list doesn't accept attachments. You should send the file to CHRISTOPHER'S email, not the listserv email. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2007, at 11:50 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Christopher, I just got a bounceback message from the list. The reply with my file is being held, waiting for approval because of its size. With any luck, you'll get it tomorrow. BC - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Hi, Christopher. I've tried the (Adjust) Edit Systems fix (WinFin06' XP) you recommended but it has not worked, alas. I've noticed that on the problem pages the system handles extend well beyond the bottom of the page to about 32. I can't find a way to click/drag/edit/cajole/threaten the handles back into place. All of this takes place on systems 34-54. System 33, as you suggested, was used to edit through the end of the piece but to no avail. I'm sure it's something I've screwed up inadvertantly. Thanks for your patience and help. Bruce Clausen Bruce, None of this is a fatal problem. I quote from before If you select Adjust System Margins from the Page Layout menu, then click on a system you like the settings for, then in the Adjust System Margins window select from [insert system number] to _ [leave it blank to go to the end of the document] and hit Apply. All the systems will inherit the settings of the one you first clicked on. If you only want some settings applied, then make sure only those boxes are checked. In this box you can also MANUALLY put in values for each of the margins. Plus is right or up, negative is left or down, all values calculated from the staff lines. All you have to do is click the system, select Adjust System Margins, then enter a value like 0 for the bottom system margin, hit Apply. If you say Apply to Systems 34 through [blank] it will make this adjustment for every system from 34 to the end. Then all the bottom handles will all be nestled tightly against the bottom right-hand staff of each system. This is very powerful stuff, and you have to know it. Look up in the manual under Adjust System Margins. You won't be sorry. If this doesn't work you might have file corruption. Send me the file privately and I will take a look. Don't worry, I am not in the habit of stealing people's works and passing them off as my own. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] RE: Size
Bruce... I've been away from this for a while...did you say you used the % tool to control view? In scroll mode? Jim From: Bruce E. Clausen Sent: Fri 24-Aug-07 0:13 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size Thanks, Darcy. BC - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size Bruce, The list doesn't accept attachments. You should send the file to CHRISTOPHER'S email, not the listserv email. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2007, at 11:50 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Christopher, I just got a bounceback message from the list. The reply with my file is being held, waiting for approval because of its size. With any luck, you'll get it tomorrow. BC - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Hi, Christopher. I've tried the (Adjust) Edit Systems fix (WinFin06' XP) you recommended but it has not worked, alas. I've noticed that on the problem pages the system handles extend well beyond the bottom of the page to about 32. I can't find a way to click/drag/edit/cajole/threaten the handles back into place. All of this takes place on systems 34-54. System 33, as you suggested, was used to edit through the end of the piece but to no avail. I'm sure it's something I've screwed up inadvertantly. Thanks for your patience and help. Bruce Clausen Bruce, None of this is a fatal problem. I quote from before If you select Adjust System Margins from the Page Layout menu, then click on a system you like the settings for, then in the Adjust System Margins window select from [insert system number] to _ [leave it blank to go to the end of the document] and hit Apply. All the systems will inherit the settings of the one you first clicked on. If you only want some settings applied, then make sure only those boxes are checked. In this box you can also MANUALLY put in values for each of the margins. Plus is right or up, negative is left or down, all values calculated from the staff lines. All you have to do is click the system, select Adjust System Margins, then enter a value like 0 for the bottom system margin, hit Apply. If you say Apply to Systems 34 through [blank] it will make this adjustment for every system from 34 to the end. Then all the bottom handles will all be nestled tightly against the bottom right-hand staff of each system. This is very powerful stuff, and you have to know it. Look up in the manual under Adjust System Margins. You won't be sorry. If this doesn't work you might have file corruption. Send me the file privately and I will take a look. Don't worry, I am not in the habit of stealing people's works and passing them off as my own. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Size
Negative. I've been trying to edit score pages. BC - Original Message - From: Williams, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: RE: [Finale] RE: Size Bruce... I've been away from this for a while...did you say you used the % tool to control view? In scroll mode? Jim From: Bruce E. Clausen Sent: Fri 24-Aug-07 0:13 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size Thanks, Darcy. BC - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size Bruce, The list doesn't accept attachments. You should send the file to CHRISTOPHER'S email, not the listserv email. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2007, at 11:50 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Christopher, I just got a bounceback message from the list. The reply with my file is being held, waiting for approval because of its size. With any luck, you'll get it tomorrow. BC - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Hi, Christopher. I've tried the (Adjust) Edit Systems fix (WinFin06' XP) you recommended but it has not worked, alas. I've noticed that on the problem pages the system handles extend well beyond the bottom of the page to about 32. I can't find a way to click/drag/edit/cajole/threaten the handles back into place. All of this takes place on systems 34-54. System 33, as you suggested, was used to edit through the end of the piece but to no avail. I'm sure it's something I've screwed up inadvertantly. Thanks for your patience and help. Bruce Clausen Bruce, None of this is a fatal problem. I quote from before If you select Adjust System Margins from the Page Layout menu, then click on a system you like the settings for, then in the Adjust System Margins window select from [insert system number] to _ [leave it blank to go to the end of the document] and hit Apply. All the systems will inherit the settings of the one you first clicked on. If you only want some settings applied, then make sure only those boxes are checked. In this box you can also MANUALLY put in values for each of the margins. Plus is right or up, negative is left or down, all values calculated from the staff lines. All you have to do is click the system, select Adjust System Margins, then enter a value like 0 for the bottom system margin, hit Apply. If you say Apply to Systems 34 through [blank] it will make this adjustment for every system from 34 to the end. Then all the bottom handles will all be nestled tightly against the bottom right-hand staff of each system. This is very powerful stuff, and you have to know it. Look up in the manual under Adjust System Margins. You won't be sorry. If this doesn't work you might have file corruption. Send me the file privately and I will take a look. Don't worry, I am not in the habit of stealing people's works and passing them off as my own. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
