[Finale] Finale V 26 - i create a new stave for Bb Trumpet - why doesn't the new Bb part say Bb trumpet in the top left of page

[Jim Fischer]

Finale V 26 - i create a new stave for Bb Trumpet - why doesn't the new Bb part 
say Bb trumpet in the top left of page?
What am I missing?

thx, jim

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Re: [Finale] Printing oddity

[Williams, Jim]

OK...here we go.
The first 10 times I tried to print to the 5000 out of WinFin26, it crashed 
without even choosing the 5000.
The 11th time was a charm, and now it's working 100% fine.
Go figure.

James C. Williams
Professor Emeritus of Business
Franklin College
Euphonium Player Around several Towns



From: Finale  on behalf of Williams, Jim 

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 8:05 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Printing oddity

Hello, all...
*Latest Finale 26
*Latest Windows 10

I have a few printers to choose from:
One is an old LaserJet 8150 that I have networked at 192.168.1.48. Everything 
works perfectly with WinFin 26--duplex, 11x17 paper, 1200dpi, etc.
Today I set up an old LaserJet 5000 to network on 192.168.1.20. Parallel print 
server identical to the one on the 8150. Went to print a document in WinFin 
26--CRASH. Wouldn't even let me select the 5000.

*EVERY other program I have that prints, music or otherwise, works FINE with 
the 5000 on 192.168.1.20. Finale 26 is the ONLY program that refuses to print 
to the 5000...can't even select it.

*Finale 26 works FINE with every other printer I have, network or USB.

Yes, I have restarted everything...Finale, computer, printer itself, my 
euphonium, etc.
Looked at the FINALE.INI and didn't recognize anything related to printers.

Advice, anybody???

James C. Williams
Professor Emeritus of Business
Franklin College
Euphonium Player Around several Towns

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[Finale] Printing oddity

[Williams, Jim]

Hello, all...
*Latest Finale 26
*Latest Windows 10

I have a few printers to choose from:
One is an old LaserJet 8150 that I have networked at 192.168.1.48. Everything 
works perfectly with WinFin 26--duplex, 11x17 paper, 1200dpi, etc.
Today I set up an old LaserJet 5000 to network on 192.168.1.20. Parallel print 
server identical to the one on the 8150. Went to print a document in WinFin 
26--CRASH. Wouldn't even let me select the 5000.

*EVERY other program I have that prints, music or otherwise, works FINE with 
the 5000 on 192.168.1.20. Finale 26 is the ONLY program that refuses to print 
to the 5000...can't even select it.

*Finale 26 works FINE with every other printer I have, network or USB.

Yes, I have restarted everything...Finale, computer, printer itself, my 
euphonium, etc.
Looked at the FINALE.INI and didn't recognize anything related to printers.

Advice, anybody???

James C. Williams
Professor Emeritus of Business
Franklin College
Euphonium Player Around several Towns

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[Finale] Hyperscribing Tenor Sax

[Jim Fischer]

I have a memory of creating a tenor sax part [it’s transposed with a diff key 
sig. Tenor Sax]
hyper scribe keying in concert and it automatically scores the Part a step 
higher. How do i accomplish this?
thx, Jim



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Re: [Finale] OT: Vocal Underlay of "Mrs.:

[Williams, Jim]

I’ve been asked (well, told) to use “mis-siz” and “mis-suz”...not saying either 
is wonderful, but that’s what some people have used.
Jim

James C. Williams
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Euphonium Player around several towns

On Aug 27, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Dalvin Boone 
mailto:dalvin.boo...@frontier.com>> wrote:

How about "Ms-es?"  "Ms" is an common sub for Mrs. and most know to pronounce 
"Ms" "mizz."

Dalvin

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From: Finale mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu>> On 
Behalf Of Robert Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:54 AM
To: finale mailto:finale@shsu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Vocal Underlay of "Mrs.:

Technically, "Mrs." is the abbreviation of "Mistress", but no one says that any 
more. Hence, there is no generally accepted way to spell it out how we 
pronounce it.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 8:51 AM timothy price 
mailto:timothy.pri...@icloud.com>>
wrote:

Isn’t Mrs. the abbreviation of Missis?  Mis-sis.

On Aug 27, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Robert Patterson <
rob...@robertgpatterson.com<mailto:rob...@robertgpatterson.com>> wrote:

Has anyone ever had to divide "Mrs." into two syllables for vocal
underlay?
Any suggestions?
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[Finale] Misbehaving Slurs

[Williams, Jim]

Hi...
Fin 26 on Windows 10, latest version of each.
Score for wind ensemble.
In the parts I needed to flip any number of slurs. 
I save, end my session, and return to the project later. 
All the slurs I flipped in the parts have returned to their original undesired 
position.
What am I missing to make those slurs stay put?
Also—what do the two “over system breaks” settings do in the contextual 
dropdown menu for slurs?
Thanks.


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Professor Emeritus of Business
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Euphonium Player around several towns

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[Finale] Anyway to speed up how long it takes to load finale the 26? I am opening off a SSD

[Jim Fischer]

Really takes a long time to load version 26 any ideas?
Gym

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[Finale] Multi Meas Rests Again

[Jim Dukey]

"From the Staff Menu, select "use selected Staff Styles for score and
parts".

I'll try that, but I always select display in Score and Parts when I apply
them.
Next time they don't show, I'll try your fix, thanks.
Jim
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[Finale] Multi Meas Rests

[Jim Dukey]

I've had to Delete Linked Parts and Re-Generate a few times because of
that, or Chord Symbols/Staff Styles not showing.
It works, but you have to re-format the parts.
Maybe only Delete and Re-Generate the problem Parts, not all, don't know...
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Re: [Finale] Cannot create some multi measure rests in parts

[Williams, Jim]

Ray,
Please try this:
1. Open the problematic part and determine which layer the rests are in.
2. Apply a staff style BLANK NOTATION WITH RESTS to the PART ONLY. Apply it to 
the layer containing the problematic rests ONLY. 
3. Try to create the MM Rest.
This works 100% of the time when I do voiced linked parts with voice 1 playing 
and voice 2 resting & vice-versa.
Jim

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> On Nov 6, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Raymond Horton  wrote:
> 
> Voiced linked Parts? I do not believe so.
> 
> I hope I don't have to do all that Giovanni describes, as I am almost done
> with these parts, but I may have to try it. Thank you!
> 
> ​Raymond Horton
> Composer, Arranger
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
> Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 4:13 PM Williams, Jim  wrote:
> 
>> Are they voiced linked parts?
>> 
>> James C. Williams MBA, CFP
>> Professor Emeritus of Business
>> Franklin College
>> Euphonium Player around several towns
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Giovanni Andreani 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It occurred to me a few times as well and - in one case - I discovered I
>> had been working on a file which was a saved copy of another, completely
>> different  one which included many multi-measure rests, and used for the
>> ready format, which included all ready set linked parts. Breaking
>> multi-measure rests from within the score not always reflected in the
>> linked parts and, at the end, I set a new document from scratch, broke the
>> multi-measure rests in the score and finally copy-pasted it in the new
>> file. At that point, all multi-measure rests where consistent trough all
>> linked parts. Of course, I had to put up with the fuss of formatting the
>> new document, parts included.
>>> 
>>> Giovanni
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Giovanni Andreani
>>> 
>>> www.giovanniandreani.com
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>>> 
>>>> On 6 Nov 2018, at 21:32, Raymond Horton 
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated as I am trying to get
>> these
>>>> parts ready for a rehearsal tomorrow!
>>>> 
>>>> Finale 26, Windows:
>>>> For no reason, some of the linked parts are showing up without some of
>> the
>>>> multi measure rests. I have checked all the logical possibilities for
>> the
>>>> problem, such as barline definitions, stray real whole rests in place of
>>>> default whole rests, etc, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> In one case, I was able to copy a section of empty bars that was multi
>>>> measure resting correctly to the section that was not, and it fixed the
>>>> problem, but that is not working in my other occurrence.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> ​Raymond Horton
>>>> Composer, Arranger
>>>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>>>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
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Re: [Finale] Cannot create some multi measure rests in parts

[Williams, Jim]

Are they voiced linked parts?

James C. Williams MBA, CFP
Professor Emeritus of Business
Franklin College 
Euphonium Player around several towns

> On Nov 6, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Giovanni Andreani  
> wrote:
> 
> It occurred to me a few times as well and - in one case - I discovered I had 
> been working on a file which was a saved copy of another, completely 
> different  one which included many multi-measure rests, and used for the 
> ready format, which included all ready set linked parts. Breaking 
> multi-measure rests from within the score not always reflected in the linked 
> parts and, at the end, I set a new document from scratch, broke the 
> multi-measure rests in the score and finally copy-pasted it in the new file. 
> At that point, all multi-measure rests where consistent trough all linked 
> parts. Of course, I had to put up with the fuss of formatting the new 
> document, parts included.
> 
> Giovanni
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Giovanni Andreani
> 
> www.giovanniandreani.com
> www.ga-music.comIt 
> 
>> On 6 Nov 2018, at 21:32, Raymond Horton  wrote:
>> 
>> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated as I am trying to get these
>> parts ready for a rehearsal tomorrow!
>> 
>> Finale 26, Windows:
>> For no reason, some of the linked parts are showing up without some of the
>> multi measure rests. I have checked all the logical possibilities for the
>> problem, such as barline definitions, stray real whole rests in place of
>> default whole rests, etc, etc.
>> 
>> In one case, I was able to copy a section of empty bars that was multi
>> measure resting correctly to the section that was not, and it fixed the
>> problem, but that is not working in my other occurrence.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> ​Raymond Horton
>> Composer, Arranger
>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>> Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016
>> Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com
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[Finale] Audio Engine Fail-Thanks!

[Jim Dukey]

Thanks, David, I will do that too!
Jim
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[Finale] Audio Engine Fail

[Jim Dukey]

Hi, Restarting my Computer fixed that for me, until it happens again, then
I repeat!
Some have said having anything plugged into the Headphone jack would fix it.
Weird, But it didn't have any effect for me,
It happens only occasionally, and restarting is fixing it at least for a
while.
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[Finale] Help please with playing in Bb trumpet parts

[Jim Fischer]

I ‘ve been away from finale for a bit. Trying to play in some Bb trumpet and Eb 
alto sax parts.
I have a foggy memory where I could play - Hyperscribe’ on my keyboard in 
concert key, Hear the trumpet in concert key
and then the trumpet part would appear with the proper transposition.

I play in a piano part in C,
While I’m adding hyper scribe trumpet in another staff I hear the trumpet up a 
step but the piano in concert.
There must be a more pleasing way of recording.
Help Please.

Jim


I don’t think i want to use:
Choose Document > Display in Concert Pitch

I’ve tried this:
Choose Window > ScoreManager and click the staff you want to change.
Choose Transposition > Other. The Staff Transpositions dialog box 
<https://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/FinaleMac/Content/Finale/ISTRNDLG.htm> 
appears.
Specify the desired transposition.

Standard horn transpositions <>Standard horn transpositions

Any ideas what could be going wrong?

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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Williams, Jim]

Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed & 
matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could swear 
it’s 1200 dpi...
Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a good fix? 

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but 
> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information”.  
> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find it 
> automatically.
> 
> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
> 
> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
> using the HP.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
>> further suggestions.
>> 
>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
>> still might work.
>> 
>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
>> job.
>> 
>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
>> 
>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
>> almost no additional cost.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
>>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
>>> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>>> 
>>> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last
>>> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the
>>> same problem and has a solution?
>>> 
>>> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
>>> that can print up to 12x18?
>>> 
>>> Hoping for help!
>>> 
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[Finale] How to break a stave for a ds al coda. And resume for the coda on the same line.

[Jim Fischer]

Any help ? 
Thx Jim
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[Finale] Staff Styles

[Jim Dukey]

Select All just puts the Styles on every staff, not what I want.
Only certain individual staves ( for me ) have them, so applying them last,
before Generating Parts is what I've found that works.
Otherwise, they may not be there.
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[Finale] Thank you! return all of the chord names to the same height

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[Finale] Looking for s way to return all chord symbols names to same heights.

[Jim Fischer]

I pull a medley together every holiday season for a show - Importing different 
song arrangements from different songs. For some reason the chord names are 
different heights. Is there a command return all of the chord names to the same 
height? These charts go back to finale 2002
I am using finale 25 now. 

Thx. Jim

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[Finale] Hiding a staff in part of a piano score

[Jim Fischer]

I am prepping a score with 8 instruments. On most of the Grand Piano part i 
don’t need to see the left hand
but later in the medley i do need to see the left hand. I did this about 6 
years ago but can’t remember how. Any help?
Also the goal is page reduction.

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[Finale] Finale 25 printing in El Capitan

[Jim Fischer]

I was printing multiple pages to my Brother Laser printer.
I ask for 3 copies and only 1 comes out. I had to do 2 more single page copies.
Am I missing something?

thx, Jim

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[Finale] reduced notes next to full size notes.

[Jim Fischer]

How do I replicate this?

Note size changer requires selecting an area, not notes.

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Raphael, 
Jack's then-colleague at berklee, Greg Fritze, told me about MP+, and I then 
permanently lost my left-handed osmiroid, all my Scripto K780s, and the 
Not-a-Set pages. ;-)
Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne 
> <raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:
> 
> My composition teacher at Berklee, Jack Jarrett, wrote MusicPrinterPlus…. and 
> later developed Notion, at least until Version 3…. he is still using 
> MusicPrinterPlus...
> 
>> Am 13.07.2016 um 18:49 schrieb Ryan <ry.squa...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
>> that all the way up until 1996!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
>> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
>>>>> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
>>>>> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
>>>>> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
>>>>> always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>>> 
>>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
>>>> until version 2.
>>>> 
>>>> Dennis
>>>> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Wow-didn't think this would elicit so many replies 

I had the original MusicPrinter on my apple
 ][e and][e, then moved to Laser Music Processor (anyone else use that one???) 
and MusicPrinter Plus on my PCs circa 1987(?).
I also had a utility called Laser Twin that (allegedly) made 9-pin dot-matrix 
printer output resemble a laser printer. Sorta. It did so by overtyping six or 
seven times. Sometimes it put holes in the paper from all the overtyping, as I 
recall.

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> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:28 PM, GERALD BERG  wrote:
> 
> Professional Composer and Professional Performer!  A 2 floppy disk tag team 
> as i recall.  I  miss it for composing. The time signature and bar line was 
> an after thought whereas in Finale it is a before you begin kind of thing. GJB
> 
>  From: David Froom 
> To: finale@shsu.edu 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
> 
> Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
> Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
> slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of 
> the generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of 
> raised rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them 
> that when I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one 
> could still find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of 
> music scribes, all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts 
> for shows, bands, commercials, and the few composers who were getting big 
> orchestral performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the 
> finished scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus 
> (which became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper 
> and pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, 
> ink, special rulers). 
> 
> Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
> floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and 
> pre smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent 
> graphic), and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only 
> because fixing mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get 
> something that actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around 
> the mid 1990s that Finale became faster than doing it by hand.
> 
> David Froom
> 
>>> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
 bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
 Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale 2.x for 
my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now 80% Finale, 
20% Sibelius.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz  
> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
>> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used
>> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
>> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the
>> always reliable Christopher Smith.
> 
> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows version
> until version 2.
> 
> Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 3

[Williams, Jim]

What makes you think they don't?

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 6, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Dean Rosenthal  wrote:
> 
> I have to reiterate my belief again that Finale, for all its wonders, needs
> to offer beta-versions to power-users – dozens of them – on a volunteer
> basis before their releases. Many issues throughout all versions could be
> avoided if enough hardcore pros tested out their normal workflows. In-house
> expertise can only go so far.
> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>   1. Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (David Froom SMCM)
>>   2. Re: Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (Chuck Israels)
>>   3. Re: Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (David H. Bailey)
>>   4. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 (Alberto Guzm?n Naranjo)
>>   5. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 (Chuck Israels)
>> 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: David Froom SMCM 
>> To: 
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:39:10 -0500
>> Subject: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
>> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
>> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
>> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
>> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
>> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
>> 
>> Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> David Froom
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Chuck Israels 
>> To: 
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:20:12 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Just encountered the same problem!
>> 
>> No solution yet.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
>> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
>> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
>> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
>> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
>> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> David Froom
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>> (360) 201-3434
>> 
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>> Portland Or 97202
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "David H. Bailey" 
>> To: 
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 17:25:42 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>> I notice the Finale-employees who are members of this list are noticeably
>> quiet these days.  I would think they would be jumping in to offer
>> solutions to these new problems that are cropping up.
>> 
>> Definitely troubling that such things weren't discovered in beta testing
>> of this new half-version.
>> 
>> David H. Bailey
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/5/2015 2:20 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Just encountered the same problem!
>>> 
>>> No solution yet.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
 
 I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
 occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
 included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
 disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
 for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
 changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
 
 Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Finale] GPO volume problem

[Williams, Jim]

I am wondering if some random MIDI data found its way into the file. Have you 
tried to clean out data using the MIDI tool?

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Raymond Horton  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I don't see any base volume control in the Aria mixer, but the
> modulation control helped quite a bit.
> 
> Does anyone have any system for setting volumes and balance with GPO? I
> keep running into instances where instruments do not respond to dynamics in
> the music, etc, and balance changes when I'm not looking.
> Thanks!
>> On Nov 21, 2015 8:40 AM, "Craig Parmerlee"  wrote:
>> 
>> There seem to be some bugs in this area and they aren't fixed with
>> 2014.5.  I have frequent problems with instruments going way too quiet,
>> and I have been completely unsuccessful at finding a cause.
>> 
>> If by the "GPO Mixer" you mean Aria, you can't use the volume sliders
>> there.  That corresponds to a different MIDI controller that is used
>> dynamically by Finale for volume adjustments (crecendos etc.)
>> 
>> If your two parts are on different layers, you can and should split
>> these out to 2 separate GPO instruments.  You can do this in Score
>> manager.  There is a pull-down arrow on the instrument line that expands
>> to show the separate layers and you can put your bass clarinet on a
>> different GPO channel.  And also in the Score Manager, you should be
>> able to set the base volume for that layer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/20/2015 10:53 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
>>> Windows finale version 2014, Finale GPO: I added a bass clarinet  line
>> in
>>> the middle of working on a piece  but it is playing back  much too
>> loudly .
>>> I lower the volume in the GPO mixer, but when I play back the slider goes
>>> back to the top. I can't lower it in the Studio view because it is
>> sharing
>>> a staff with clarinet 2.  What am I missing? Thanks for any help.
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[Finale] Score manager not naming new Instrument at top left corner of new part

[Jim Fischer]

With Score Manager - I used to create a Tenor Sax part and the name Tenor sax - 
would appear on the top left of the page.
It is not doing that now. 

Any ideas why?

thx, jim


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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Williams, Jim]

Tuba trills: f# to g# in the staff would be fingered:
2/3 to 1 on a BBb. A bit awkward.Alternate fingering would be quite out of tune
2 to 2/3 on a CC Tuba. Easy.
2 to 1 on an Eb tuba. Easy. Sorry, but other poster was not correct.
1/2 to 2 on an F tuba. Easy.
I have avoided any options of 5th or 6th valves, as the setups are quite varied.
Jim Williams (student of Harvey Phillips)

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> On Nov 17, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Philip Brink <basst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can't answer the question about log drums, but as far as tubas are
> concerned, you have to think of the key of the instrument. Tubas come in BB
> flat, CC, E flat and F [those are the most common keys.] The trill you
> mention is a lip trill on the BB flat instrument, and on the others it
> should be a fingered trill. On E flat it might be awkward as it has to be
> played with F sharp in 2nd valve and G sharp using 3rd valve. Good luck!
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Aaron Rabushka <arabus...@austin.rr.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Two off-topic questions:
>> 
>> 1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill
>> from
>> f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.
>> 
>> 2) Where can I find information about log drums (sizes, ranges)? I've been
>> looking for a solid wooden sound to carry through the middle register of a
>> lout orchestra, and now I need more specific information.
>> 
>> Aaron J. Rabushka
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 148, Issue 7

[Jim Fischer]

Which plug in do you refer to for importing .xml files?
I've been using the built in.

thx, Jim
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>   1. Again a request (Barbara Touburg)
>   2. Re: Again a request (Christopher Smith)
> 
> From: Barbara Touburg <btoub...@online.nl>
> Date: November 11, 2015 2:46:57 PM PST
> To: Finale <finale@shsu.edu>
> Subject: [Finale] Again a request
> 
> 
> Dear listers,
> 
> I've messed up one of my files and I need a pdf to mus conversion.
> Earlier someone (can't remember who, sorry) very kindly helped me out with a 
> piece by Lex van Delden.
> I can't remember. Who was it? Can I turn to you once again?
> 
> Thanks and liefs,
> Barbara
> NL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Christopher Smith <christopher.sm...@videotron.ca>
> Date: November 11, 2015 4:20:06 PM PST
> To: <finale@shsu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Again a request
> 
> 
> Hi Barbara,
> 
> I have PDF2MusicPro and it only works on PDFs that have been created from 
> inside a notation program, NOT on scans!
> 
> If you send me the PDF, I will turn it into MusicXML for you. Then I suggest 
> you use the plugin (not the built-in function!) to import it into Finale.
> 
> I’m home now.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed Nov 11, at WednesdayNov 11 5:46 PM, Barbara Touburg 
>> <btoub...@online.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear listers,
>> 
>> I've messed up one of my files and I need a pdf to mus conversion.
>> Earlier someone (can't remember who, sorry) very kindly helped me out 
>> with a piece by Lex van Delden.
>> I can't remember. Who was it? Can I turn to you once again?
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 145, Issue 23

[Jim Fischer]

Still looking for a Mac manual link for Finale 2012. 

I'm at sea.  
Thx. Jim

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[Finale] Downloading the Finale 2012 manual for while I'm working at sea with no internet.

[Jim Fischer]

Is there a link for the 2012 Finale manual in  web archive? or searchable pdf?
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Re: [Finale] Lyrics entry [was: Re: Part prints at 1/16 size of page]

[Jim Gray]

On Macs in the Finale lyric tool, while typing directly into the score, if the 
shift key is held while the space bar is pressed, the curser is sent backwards. 
My suspicions are that Mr. Parmerlee, while having to press the shift key to 
create the capital I, may inadvertently still have the shift key pressed when 
he hits the space bar. I know it has happened to me a few times, forcing me to 
consider my typing coordination skills, which are already pretty low.


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 On Aug 7, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Lawrence yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think your poem Someone should I call is very beautiful. Well done!
 
 Lawrence. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 7 Aug 2015, at 11:55 am, David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 
 
 On 8/7/2015 12:19 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
 [snip] which is almost completely dysfunctional in F2014.  For example,
 if you
 enter I a a word in a lyrical line, the cursor jumps backwards two
 syllables and messes everything up.  And there are several other really
 bad bugs in lyrics.
 
 
 Are you using a Mac?
 
 Because I just ran a test on the Windows version of Finale2014:
 1) Started a brand new document, using the default template
 2) entered two measures: 4 quarter notes and a whole note in 4/4 time
 3) entered directly into the score: Some-one should I call (they didn't
 need to make sense, just had to include several syllables before the
 word I which you say is a problem) -- there was no jumping of the
 cursor.  The word I stayed right where I entered it.
 4) opened the Lyrics window and created verse 2 with the words What
 should I do now?
 5) click-assigned verse 2 beneath my directly entered lyrics -- again,
 there was no problem at all.
 6) went back into verse 1 and highlighted the word call and typed I
 and again there was no problem.
 
 So if you're on Mac, it's a Mac issue.  If you're on Windows, it's not a
 problem with Finale but rather with whatever file or files you've tried
 to use the word I in the lyrics tool.
 
 Once you get your list of bugs typed, you should post it here before
 submitting it to Finale so that we can all test them to see if they
 really are bugs or are somehow only bugs on your system or when using
 your templates.
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Part prints at 1/16 size of page

[Williams, Jim]

If my memory doesn't fail, the problem is somehow connected to printing when an 
auto-save is occurring.
If you are going to mass-print, you might consider turning off auto-save, 
closing/relaunching, then printing.

Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos.

 On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Kenneth Moore k...@mooremusic.org.uk wrote:
 
 On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:29:51,
 
 Michael Lawlormjlaw...@virginmedia.comwrote:
 
 [Finale 2009]
 I have just created a score and extracted the parts; they all print okay
 except one part, which only fills about 1/16 of the page (i.e. A8
 instead of A4).  I have tried printing directly from Finale and printing
 to PDF; I have checked page sizes for the part within Finale page layout
 tool, the settings for the printer and PDF generator and they all
 specify A4.  What have I missed?
 [Finale 2014]
 I have had similar problems on my laptop with a Samsung ML 3310 ND laser 
 printer
 and my wife has had them on her static PC.  I haven't solved them, but 
 they look to me
 like printer driver problems, since they occur with several application 
 programs on two
 different computers, and have arisen only since we moved from Windows XP 
 to 8.1.
 
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Re: [Finale] auto-save working but can't find file

[Jim Gray]

Same here. 

Sent from my iPad


 On Jul 12, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 As far as I can figure out - Finale no longer makes a visible AutoSave copy.  
 However, when I reopen the file I’ve been working on after a crash 
 (infrequent as they are for me), the reopened copy appears to have been saved 
 according to my AutoSave schedule.  So it would appear to have been saved and 
 somehow kept in such a way that reopening the file accesses the AutoSave 
 version.  It’s mysterious to me how this is done, but things seem to be 
 working this way for me, and since the AutoSave function no longer seems to 
 result in a momentary delay, as it used to in 2012, I have it set to save 
 every 5 minutes, so I hardly lose much work when there is a crash.
 
 Anyone else confirm this impression?
 
 Chuck
 
 On Jul 12, 2015, at 9:12 AM, shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:
 
 
 i have the file path set to a F2014 folder for auto-save and the message 
 bar
 shows finale auto-saving on schedule (every 15 min) but i can no longer find 
 the
 file that is getting saved.  and it is not being saved in the folder i 
 defined
 as the path!
 
 at one point when getting regular crashes, i opened the auto-save file (it 
 was
 working properly after the installation) and began working in it (oops), then
 closed it, moved it to the client's folder, renamed it and opened it and kept
 working on it.  since that time, no new file has been getting generated, it
 seems, for this file or for other files.
 
 is it possible that the file is referring to itself and saving its second 
 copy
 into itself?
 
 i took a copy of the document i am working on and added  asv to the 
 filename
 and moved it to my asv folder but it has never been updated, despite 
 auto-save
 kicking in dozens of times since.
 
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Re: [Finale] Bb7b4

[Williams, Jim]

Maybe it was supposed to be b5 or #4. b5 makes more sense to me than #4 in the 
context of a dominant 7th chord.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Jun 18, 2015, at 1:34 PM, cr...@parmerlee.com cr...@parmerlee.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dumb question here: isn't the flat 4th a D Natural which is already in the 
 chord?
 
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 Date: Jun 18, 2015 1:04 PM
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 CC: 
 
 You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor, delete the ‘b’, select the 4, 
 and check the box marked flat.  That should get you what you want.br/br/J 
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Re: [Finale] orchestra show of power? or justified deadline?

[Jim Gray]

Hi Jef,

I would think this is a reasonable request to get the string parts to the 
concertmaster and principles before their vacation starts for bowings and part 
assignments (for wind played and percussionists, etc.). I have had to deal with 
this for shows that are early in the season, so that the principles could truly 
enjoy their vacation without any work load.

This is just my opinion and experience though, since I don’t know about your 
exact situation. Has the librarian or admin. staff offered any explanation?


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 Hi jef,
 
 I will forward this to Greg Hamilton, who know a thing or two about this kind 
 of issue.  He is on the list, but I will make sure he sees it.  He is in 
 contact with a number of orchestra librarians.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:29 AM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 hey some of you work in orchestras, maybe someone knows what is with 
 this idea of demanding the composer to have the parts ready for a 
 date which happens to coincide with the start of the orchestra's 
 vacation time?
 
 the deadline for delivery of materials for a contract i am going to 
 be working on in july just had its deadline moved ahead 2 weeks from 
 what was agreed to and signed in the composer's contract.
 
 this is not the first time i have seen such deadlines.  is it that 
 the librarians don't go on vacation and prepare the parts for the 
 musicians who are on vacation?  i can't see any justification for 
 this request, and as we know, few composers have any real power to 
 stand up to the orchestral monster.
 
 the original deadline was 15 august for an early october performance. 
 now they are demanding to have the parts before their vacation period 
 starts, whcih would mean materials lying on someone's desk as of 31 
 july.
 
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Re: [Finale] Test 3

[Williams, Jim]

No. I'm nobody, but I saw it.

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Re: [Finale] Scanner for music (11x17)

[Williams, Jim]

I just acquired a mustek A3 1200S. Under $200 and so far so good.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Jan 18, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com 
 wrote:
 
 Does anyone have a recommendation for a good scanner? I've decided that it
 will be much quicker to scan printouts into PDF's than to bring many of my
 old Finale files up to date, so I'd like to get a scanner for this purpose.
 
 Also, can anyone suggest a good tradeoff for resolution vs. file size?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Finale] Locked systems

[Williams, Jim]

What causes that parsing while printing?
That has bitten me on several occasions.
Reformatting while printing is bad enough as it is,
but reformatting so illogically while printing is 
very annoying.
It reminds me of the feature that messes with mm rests
unless I uncheck that program (or document) option.
Maybe I ought to lock everything before printing!
Jim

Sent from my iPad

  I've too often had Finale parse the spacing  
 differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5  
 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to  
 four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on  
 it. Grr.
 
 

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Re: [Finale] Locked systems

[Williams, Jim]

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Dec 28, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Christopher Smith 
 christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote:
 
 I've too often had Finale parse the spacing  
 differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5  
 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to  
 four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on  
 it. Grr.
 
 I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy on proper part layout. I  
 find, however, that having a to coda in the middle of a line is not  
 so bad. Not having a repeat starting a system is WAY worse!
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On 28-Dec-14, at 28-Dec-14  10:51 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
 
 I guess my work flow is different from many.  I work about 95% in  
 scroll
 mode until it is time to do final parts layouts.  This seems so much
 faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen,
 especially when using staff views aggressively.
 
 Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some  
 locks
 have been set.  I never tried to figure out why there were some locks.
 Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score
 rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time.
 
 For me it is no big deal.  I simply wipe out the locks and then put in
 my new locks.  I have locks on nearly every system because:
 
 * I pay careful attention to page turns,
 
 * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the  
 ends
 of lines
 
 * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems
 
 These things all lead to more accurate reading.  By taking an extra 10
 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have  
 fewer
 errors in performance.
 
 
 On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
 On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
 Is this a facet of the page view mode?  I work almost exclusively in
 scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't  
 come up
 much as an issue.
 
 It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since  
 there is
 only one very long system.
 
 -
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[Finale] Why are there so many Question Marks in various posts?

[Jim Dukey]

Also, The Make Music Forum is a good resource, lots of knowledgeable people 
there.
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[Finale] export audio as .mp3

[Jim Fischer]

I can't consistently get an option to export an .mp3 audio file.
Often it only offers WAV or iTunes.
Any ideas?

thx, Jim

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[Finale] Standards for Rehearsal marker placement and repeat bar height

[Jim Fischer]

Is there a standard for Rehearsal Letters in rectangles for placement.?
I'm always having to tweak the placement to stay out of the way of chord 
symbols on beat 1.

Also is there a standard height  for repeat lines above the staff - I am always 
having to tweak to make room for 16pt font chord symbols.???

Thx much, 
Jim


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[Finale] In finale 2012, maybe driven internal sounds quit working after computer falls asleep.

[Jim Fischer]

It seems I enter data with my midi keyboard attached and it's driving the 
internal sounds. After the computer is asleep for a while and I come back to 
work again the keyboard will make notes appear in hyperscribe but the sound 
audio instrument is no longer driven. Anybody else experiencing this?
My fix has been to quit finale and restart finale.

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Re: [Finale] Very, very old files

[Williams, Jim]

I have had some difficulty bringing older files into 2014, but nothing totally 
insurmountable. I think repeats and a few other things didn't work. I'll try 
the 2012 to XML  see how it works. I'm in the process (finally) of giving all 
my work the same look, so any time saver is welcome.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Marcello Noia marcellon...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm afraid I did not understand...
 
 Il 27/08/2014 16:15, Howey, Henry ha scritto:
 I've been resuscitating some 20+ year-old Finale files. Unless I open them 
 in 2012 and immediately convert them into MusicXML 3.0 they cannot be 
 reliably be dealt with.
 
 I must assume the same in 2014. I offer this as a public service to mental 
 health.
 
 ;-)
 
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Re: [Finale] SFA - composer with issues asking for volunteer help

[Williams, Jim]

I'll do 1

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 On Jul 19, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I'm posting this again, abridged. The complete version is a week or
 two back with the same subject. I have two or three fine gentlemen
 across our great nation helping me but I don't want to ask too much of
 them or extend my welcome.
 
 Hi listers,
 
 As many of you know I had a stroke at age 60 last October, and
 followed that up with a bad fall on stairs in Feb
 which injured the base of my spine. I can only sit for a few minutes
 at a time without taking addictive
 pain-killers. I have worked at my seated location for years, and
 gotten pretty good fin chops (though now I have to learn 2014
 quickly).
 
 Plus, as I have mentioned in the last few days, I have had
 major-league computer issues with my super-wiz-bang HP Windows 8
 machine.  I am slowly typing this on my laptop, standing, but my
 Finale chops on it are dismal.
 
 Meanwhile, I am in the middle of a deadline, I simply must get this
 work done -choir needs most of it's music very soon.
 
 My point is that I could really use some help!  When I was healthy, I
 enjoyed nothing more than sitting and making quick arrangements in
 Finale - did them all the time for others, even strangers on the
 interwebs, and I am thinking there are users like me out there who are
 still healthy and wouldn't mind taking a few minutes now and then to
 pound out a file or two for me.  Yes?
 
 I will list some things in this message, and will add more in the
 coming weeks. The project is called Searching For America and tells
 the story of K.L. Bates writing America the Beautiful in 1893 - for
 singer actors, chorus, and chamber orch (strings, 2 fls, 2 trpts, 3
 perc.).  I am making big-time use of folk songs and other existing
 material, such as old sheet-music of obscure tunes that don't have
 midi files anywhere. I'm also borrowing some from earlier works of
 mine already Finale-yzed.  Anyone who helps will get a credit line in
 the final presentation - even put a short ad if you'd like!
 
 My plan is to give mostly straight-forward arrangements to the choir,
 and contribute more originality to the instrumental and
 narration portions before the premiere in November. No money to offer
 - I am getting a little for the finished product, but not enough.
 
 Any type Fin file will do:
 
 1. Type out this song:
 http://www.loc.gov/item/sm1871.02334/
 [I had a volunteer for this, but haven't received anything. NOT
 complaining, just anxious!]
 
 My wife has already typed the words to the latter - I'll include that
 in my next email.
 
 2. same for some pdfs I can attach to private emails.  simple stuff.
 [Several of these have been done, but I have some more.]
 
 3.  A fin file, as simply scored as possible, of the Sousa arrangement
 of The Star-Spangled Banner -  midi files may be around for that. [I
 found another version in midi I could use, but I'd love the Sousa. I
 don't have music, but it's prob on one of the free band music sites
 somewhere.  I believe it's also known as the Marine Band version. If
 you have music, please let me know.]
 
 A message with I'll do 1 or whatever to the list will help avoid dupes.
 
 More later! Thanks for any help!
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Re: [Finale] Upgrading to Finale Mac 2014

[Jim Gray]

The only problem I had after the Mavericks upgrade was printing 2 sides up on 
12x18 landscape. Seems to be a compatibility problem with Mavericks and HP.  
The only way I can make it work is to save as a PDF and configure each PDF part 
separately to 12X18 landscape. If anyone has a work around, I'd appreciate 
hearing about it.

Jim Gray
Nashville, TN
j...@cubbysmusic.com

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 On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
 
 10.9 (mavericks) didn't break finale 2012 for me. My 10.9 system still
 can run finale 2008 just fine.
 
 Actually, 10.9 upgrade was probably the most painless upgrade in a
 long time for me. I can't think of anything that stopped working.
 
 Also, in the upcoming 10.10, finale 2014 and 2012 work
 
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 On Jul 16, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins
 tmbr...@centurylink.net wrote:
 
 I finally bit the bullet yesterday and purchased a MacBook Pro running 
 Mavericks. You guessed it: Finale 2012 is dead (along with a slew of my 
 other apps).
 
 Anyone have any idea whether there is likely to be an upcoming 
 upgrade-special that will make the leap to Finale 2014 cheaper than $139? 
 Feeling kinda broke here�c.
 
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Re: [Finale] Laser Jet 5000 and Finale--Various OSes

[Williams, Jim]

I don't know if this is relevant for Mac users, but with Windows 8, I was 
having problems with my LaserJet 5000 UNTIL I changed the print processor to 
WINPRINT instead of the HP print processor.
There must be some Mac equivalent, I'd think. On Win 8, I went into the 
printers area, called up the 5000's properties, and changed the print processor.
I have NO idea what that menu looks like on a Mac, or how to access it, but you 
Macsters do know, so it might be worth messing with to see if you can get 
everything out of the 5000 that it has to offer.
The change in OS from Win 7 to Win 8 hosed my 5000 until I discovered that fix, 
and almost every subsequent update to Win 8 has hosed it as well, and I've 
had to reset it every time.
Hope this helps Win 8 users; perhaps you Macsters can benefit from my 
experience as well.
Jim

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 On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Scott Jones c...@mindspring.com wrote:
 
 That still confuses me chuck because I never once had a printing problem with 
 my HP 5000 when I upgraded to Mavericks or now even on 10.10.  Now I don’t 
 duplex but I print booklet style and multiple sizes of paper as well.
 
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 On Jul 16, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Incompatibility with an old (and still reliable) HP 5000 is the only thing 
 that prevents me from upgrading to Mavericks.  As far as I can tell (haven't 
 checked this lately) there are no drivers that will work with this printer 
 and Mavericks.  There were some suggestions of things to try - but none 
 worked, and the upgrade is not worth the price of a new printer.
 
 If there is new information available, I too would be grateful to hear about 
 it.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Jim Gray j...@cubbysmusic.com wrote:
 
 The only problem I had after the Mavericks upgrade was printing 2 sides up 
 on 12x18 landscape. Seems to be a compatibility problem with Mavericks and 
 HP.  The only way I can make it work is to save as a PDF and configure each 
 PDF part separately to 12X18 landscape. If anyone has a work around, I'd 
 appreciate hearing about it.
 
 Jim Gray
 Nashville, TN
 j...@cubbysmusic.com
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
 
 10.9 (mavericks) didn't break finale 2012 for me. My 10.9 system still
 can run finale 2008 just fine.
 
 Actually, 10.9 upgrade was probably the most painless upgrade in a
 long time for me. I can't think of anything that stopped working.
 
 Also, in the upcoming 10.10, finale 2014 and 2012 work
 
 Sent from my iSomething
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 On Jul 16, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins
 tmbr...@centurylink.net wrote:
 
 I finally bit the bullet yesterday and purchased a MacBook Pro running 
 Mavericks. You guessed it: Finale 2012 is dead (along with a slew of my 
 other apps).
 
 Anyone have any idea whether there is likely to be an upcoming 
 upgrade-special that will make the leap to Finale 2014 cheaper than $139? 
 Feeling kinda broke here�c.
 
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Re: [Finale] Upgrading to Finale Mac 2014

[Jim Gray]

Scott,

What size paper are you printing on? I can print on 8½ x 11  11 x 17 both 
landscape and portrait, and 9 x 12 portrait with no problem. But when I try to 
print on 12 x 18 landscape I am not able. As I have researched this it seems to 
apply across the board outside of Finale. I noticed a few complaints from 
architects trying to print oversized blueprints on 12 x 18. 

I use an HP 5500.

Jim

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 On Jul 16, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Scott Jones c...@mindspring.com wrote:
 
 That still confuses me chuck because I never once had a printing problem with 
 my HP 5000 when I upgraded to Mavericks or now even on 10.10.  Now I don’t 
 duplex but I print booklet style and multiple sizes of paper as well.
 
 ___
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 Band/Orchestra Director/Freelance Trumpet Player-Teacher/Music Engraver
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Incompatibility with an old (and still reliable) HP 5000 is the only thing 
 that prevents me from upgrading to Mavericks.  As far as I can tell (haven't 
 checked this lately) there are no drivers that will work with this printer 
 and Mavericks.  There were some suggestions of things to try - but none 
 worked, and the upgrade is not worth the price of a new printer.
 
 If there is new information available, I too would be grateful to hear about 
 it.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Jim Gray j...@cubbysmusic.com wrote:
 
 The only problem I had after the Mavericks upgrade was printing 2 sides up 
 on 12x18 landscape. Seems to be a compatibility problem with Mavericks and 
 HP.  The only way I can make it work is to save as a PDF and configure each 
 PDF part separately to 12X18 landscape. If anyone has a work around, I'd 
 appreciate hearing about it.
 
 Jim Gray
 Nashville, TN
 j...@cubbysmusic.com
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
 
 10.9 (mavericks) didn't break finale 2012 for me. My 10.9 system still
 can run finale 2008 just fine.
 
 Actually, 10.9 upgrade was probably the most painless upgrade in a
 long time for me. I can't think of anything that stopped working.
 
 Also, in the upcoming 10.10, finale 2014 and 2012 work
 
 Sent from my iSomething
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 tmbr...@centurylink.net wrote:
 
 I finally bit the bullet yesterday and purchased a MacBook Pro running 
 Mavericks. You guessed it: Finale 2012 is dead (along with a slew of my 
 other apps).
 
 Anyone have any idea whether there is likely to be an upcoming 
 upgrade-special that will make the leap to Finale 2014 cheaper than $139? 
 Feeling kinda broke here�c.
 
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Re: [Finale] Anybody here? Is 2014 slow?

[Williams, Jim]

Ray, 
My guess is that your issues have to do with the SSD rather than with finale.
Can you move at least finale back to the root drive?
I tried what you described  the change was instantaneous on my system with no 
SSD.

Jim
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 On Jul 12, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 OK, here a a few numbers to demonstrate the crawling
 
 FinWin 2014.  Win 8.1
 HP with AMD FX -6200 Six-core Processor 3.8 GHz
 10 MB ram
 64 bit OS, x64-based Processor
 Finale and Garritan are on a second, solid-state (fast!) drive
 
 The file I am working on shows up in the Win directory as 1396 KB, but
 when I right click to show properties it is 1.36 MB on disk.  I JUST
 CHANGED THE FIRST BAR, A ONE BEaT PICKUP (SOrry my caps lock key got
 stuck on when I pulled it off in disgust - I'm a terrible typist) from
 C to 4/4 sand it took five seconds.  I saved it and it took another
 5 seconds.  I tried data check - nothing extra there.
 
 Thanks for any help.  I have a big deadline and a lot of work to do!
 
 
 
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
 
 
 On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Williams, Jim
 jwilli...@franklincollege.edu wrote:
 I get the high CPU usage on both winfin 12 and 14c--on both 32-bit win 7 and 
 win 64-bit 8.1.
 I had thought that finale had become aware of multiple processors as of 
 winfin 2012, but maybe not.
 
 Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
 
 On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:07 AM, David H. Bailey 
 dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote:
 
 On 7/11/2014 9:09 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
 Anyone around?  I have some other Finale matters, but I won't bring
 them up if I'm the only audience.
 
 
 On the table:
 
 Is 2014 this slow for all PC users?  I h ave a screaming fast system,
 but this is crawling!
 
 I'm on an HP Envy laptop with a quad-core processor, 12GB of ram, oodles
 of hard drive space, running Win8.1-64bit.  Finale2014(c) seems a bit
 slower than previous versions but I wouldn't describe it as crawling.
 
 When I just was playing through a score for string orchestra of a
 baroque piece by Albicastro, the little HP warning high cpu usage by
 Finale2014 appeared.  The sound playback I was using was the sounds
 that installed with Finale2014 and running through Asio4all.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Anybody here? Is 2014 slow?

[Williams, Jim]

Ray,
I'd uninstall/reinstall. Not sure if you'll need to deauthorize finale first 
since you're putting it on a different drive.
Jim
www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Jul 12, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Well, then I'll get back to the path issues that have kept me from hearing
 Garritan.  After wiping the drives I put Fin and Garritan in the defaults,
 and it worked, albeit slowly.  I must say that the Garritan sounds seem to
 load faster than they used to.  But I'll see if fin can be moved to the
 other drive and still work.  Should I uninstall or copy?
 Thanks
 On Jul 12, 2014 2:37 PM, Williams, Jim jwilli...@franklincollege.edu
 wrote:
 
 Ray,
 My guess is that your issues have to do with the SSD rather than with
 finale.
 Can you move at least finale back to the root drive?
 I tried what you described  the change was instantaneous on my system
 with no SSD.
 
 Jim
 www.soundcloud.com/jweuph
 
 Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
 
 On Jul 12, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 OK, here a a few numbers to demonstrate the crawling
 
 FinWin 2014.  Win 8.1
 HP with AMD FX -6200 Six-core Processor 3.8 GHz
 10 MB ram
 64 bit OS, x64-based Processor
 Finale and Garritan are on a second, solid-state (fast!) drive
 
 The file I am working on shows up in the Win directory as 1396 KB, but
 when I right click to show properties it is 1.36 MB on disk.  I JUST
 CHANGED THE FIRST BAR, A ONE BEaT PICKUP (SOrry my caps lock key got
 stuck on when I pulled it off in disgust - I'm a terrible typist) from
 C to 4/4 sand it took five seconds.  I saved it and it took another
 5 seconds.  I tried data check - nothing extra there.
 
 Thanks for any help.  I have a big deadline and a lot of work to do!
 
 
 
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
 
 
 On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Williams, Jim
 jwilli...@franklincollege.edu wrote:
 I get the high CPU usage on both winfin 12 and 14c--on both 32-bit win
 7 and win 64-bit 8.1.
 I had thought that finale had become aware of multiple processors as of
 winfin 2012, but maybe not.
 
 Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
 
 On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:07 AM, David H. Bailey 
 dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote:
 
 On 7/11/2014 9:09 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
 Anyone around?  I have some other Finale matters, but I won't bring
 them up if I'm the only audience.
 
 
 On the table:
 
 Is 2014 this slow for all PC users?  I h ave a screaming fast system,
 but this is crawling!
 
 I'm on an HP Envy laptop with a quad-core processor, 12GB of ram,
 oodles
 of hard drive space, running Win8.1-64bit.  Finale2014(c) seems a bit
 slower than previous versions but I wouldn't describe it as crawling.
 
 When I just was playing through a score for string orchestra of a
 baroque piece by Albicastro, the little HP warning high cpu usage by
 Finale2014 appeared.  The sound playback I was using was the sounds
 that installed with Finale2014 and running through Asio4all.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Anybody here? Is 2014 slow?

[Williams, Jim]

Ray, 
While 2014c is slow to load--as is 2012--I am having no issues of slowness 
while working. Since I have ca. 1200 fonts on my machine, font changes are a 
bit draggy.
I'm on Windoze 8.1 with 16gb of RAM fwiw.
Jim
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Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

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 On Fri, July 11, 2014 9:09 pm, Raymond Horton wrote:
 Is 2014 this slow for all PC users?  I h ave a screaming fast system,
 but this is crawling!
 
 What is slow for you?
 
 I find it quite slow to start -- and they still haven't fixed the font bug
 (a
 system with many fonts causes expression editing/creation to drop to 1
 character every 1-3 seconds) -- but other than that it's normal. I'm still
 on
 WinXP, 3GB processor.
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale using the wrong instruments when in Staff View

[Williams, Jim]

Can you email a copy of the file down to franklin so I can look at it?
Jim

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 On Jul 7, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:
 
 More testing on this problem:
 
 I created a score from scratch in F2014 with 30 instruments (in 2 
 banks), all Smartsynth as assigned by the wizard.  I could not get this 
 problem to occur on that score.
 
 I went back to my live score and saved it in XML format.  I closed 
 Finale, then restarted it and imported the XML.  This forced all the 
 instruments to be assigned to new MIDI channels starting from bank 1, 
 channel 1.  I figured that would clear up the problem as there wouldn't 
 be residue remaining from my MUSX file.  But this still has exactly the 
 same problem.
 
 It isn't a show-stopper, but is definitely annoying.  And here's another 
 curiosity.  If I take the misbehaving score and reassign the MIDI 
 instrument and/or channel, that staff no longer plays back at all.
 
 
 
 On 7/7/2014 5:31 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
 I have a peculiar problem.  I am doing a project for a professional
 orchestra that has a professional library staff.  They are supplying the
 template I have to adhere to.  FWIW, that was a 2012 template and I am
 using Windows Finale 2014.  The template imported fine and I am having
 no difficulties using it for music entry.
 
 The problem I am having is that when I am in scroll view using a staff
 set (the strings, e.g.), if I use the transport buttons to play back the
 music, it is taking the instruments from the upper part of the score
 (woodwinds).  If I do immediate playback with ctl-spacebar, the voices
 are exactly right.  The voices are right when doing Speedy Entry.  The
 voices are right when playing back in Page View.  It is only in staff
 set scroll view where things are messed up.
 
 This template has so many instruments that it does go into three banks
 (all using Smartsynth), so maybe everything is erroneously going to bank
 1 when in scroll view.  I need to do more testing. When I created a new
 score with just 2 instruments, I did not have this problem,
 
 Has anybody else come across this?
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Stability problems with Win 8.1?

[Williams, Jim]

Craig-
If you get the updated aiolib.dll, your crashes will cease.
Jim 

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 On Jun 25, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:
 
 I am running Finale 2014B.  I recently upgraded my workstation.  I would 
 have preferred to keep it at Windows 7, but the only practical option 
 was Windows 8.1.
 
 Since that time, I am having crashes about once an hour -- and not 
 necessarily on the same functions.  The crashes seem random.  In most 
 cases, Finale was able to do an autosave during the crash, so I haven't 
 lost much, if anything.  But still it is annoying.
 
 I did the B patch about the same time, so it is possible the crashes are 
 more connected to the B patch than the Windows 8.1 migration.
 
 Is anybody else having frequent random crashes in Finale with Windows 8.1?
 
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Re: [Finale] Stability problems with Win 8.1?

[Williams, Jim]

Craig...

makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5573

This should fix what ails you, as I mentioned earlier.

Jim

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Franklin College
Euphonium Player Around several Towns


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Subject: Re: [Finale] Stability problems with Win 8.1?

Is anybody successfully using Win 8.1 with Finale 2014B?

I upgraded my music system about 10 days ago.  Most of my time on the
system has been with a DAW.  I have had all the usual annoyances getting
a new OS settled in and all the stuff everybody hates about 8.1, but I
had zero application crashes on this new system.

I had installed Finale the first day and gave it a quick checkout and
all seemed OK.  Last night I started on a small project I expected to
have done by Thursday.  I had a couple of crashes last night.  Today it
has crashed 20 times and I clearly am not going to get my project done.
I don't see any pattern other than it is always after some keystroke and
mouse click.  I mean, it doesn't crash if I am just staring at it.
Other than that, I don't see a pattern.  it has crashed on just about
every tool I have used (speedy entry, chords, expressions, all of them.
And it has crashed just hitting the spacebar to playback.

Completely useless at this point.

I changed a lot of hardware in the process of building the new
workstation.  I had dual monitors before without a problem.  I upgraded
one of those monitors to a big multitouch.  I am using the same audio
interface (Presonus Audiobox), but I think I had to upgrade the driver.
I know people have had some problems with the patch.  I am thinking at
this point of wiping out Finale and Garritan and reinstalling Finale
with just patch A.  Any advice out there?

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Re: [Finale] page tiling

[Williams, Jim]

Tile overlap should be set to something like one-half inch or one inch--isn't 
it the area of content common to the right side of one page to the left of the 
other, to allow for good alignment?

James C. Williams, MBA, CFP
E. B. Lacy Professor of Business
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Euphonium Player Around several Towns


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Subject: Re: [Finale] page tiling

You might want to look into getting a wide-format inkjet printer. HP  and Epson 
both have wide-format printers that will print up to 13X19, for between about 
$150 to $250. I use an HP Officejet 7000 e809 that, if I recall, cost about 
$220.

Steve Larsen

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Subject: [Finale] page tiling

At this time I am trying to print some working copies of some score pages that 
overflow the 8 1/2 x 11 that I use in my printer. I don't want to reduce the 
pages any more as they are already a challenge to read. I understand that the 
process of printing these large pages on more than 1 sheet of paper is called 
tiling. I have tried to print some of these pages checking TILE PAGES under 
FILEPRINT, and I have tried using TILE OVERLAP to 0 and 11 (inches), and all 
I ever get is the first part of each page. I am using Finale 2014 under Windows 
8, and a Brother printer.

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[Finale] Volume drops away

[Jim Dukey]

When that happens to me in 2012, I add additional Dynamic Expressions, 
duplicating whatever previous Dynamic was marked. sometimes several in one bar.
That has fixed playback for me.
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Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think

[Williams, Jim]

Darcy,
For the stamped look, what's your opinion of the Sibelius reprise font?

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi Giz,
 
 I like Digital Strip, although it's uppercase-only:
 
 http://www.dafont.com/digital-strip.font
 
 You ideally want something that looks something like Clinton Roemer's 
 lettering, though I've not been able to find a close match. (You do have the 
 Clinton Roemer book, yes? If not, you absolutely must get yourself a copy!)
 
 Also in mind that if you're going for the hand-copied look, titles and 
 instrument names were often stamped or stenciled. You don't necessarily need 
 to use a handwritten-looking font for these items.
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
 -
 WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
 
 On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 I thank all who took the time to look at my leadsheet and make suggestions -
 this is the type of feedback I was hoping for! I've printed them all, and
 will be revising my leadsheet accordingly.
 
 For Darcy, regarding the font - I'm using Dom Casual. I was tired of some of
 the cartoonish Jazz text characters, but if Dom Cas looks like Comic Sans to
 you, my choice wasn't much better! I'm open for suggestions for a text font
 which will work with the Jazz music font.
 
 For Christopher - yes, I got the French title wrong. It should be Des Femmes
 Disparaissent.
 
 Thanks again!
 
 Giz
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Re: [Finale] Beating my head against the wall on repeats

[Williams, Jim]

Am I missing something here? A to coda instruction should break a mm rest, even 
if it's the last measure of an mm rest. Maybe that's not the Finale default, 
but I would break an mm rest for anything like a fermata, to coda, etc.  I 
wrong to do that?

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:
 
 Thanks for that idea.  I'll keep that in the bag of tricks.  In this 
 case, I am able to get what I need by breaking the mm rest, moving the 
 To Coda mark, and then recreating the mm rest.
 
 In reality, I have decided to through-compose that section anyway now.  
 I am adding an open for solos repeat and that gets confusing to the 
 players if you do that and also have a D.S. al coda.  They will track 
 the chart better if I through-compose.  The chart will still fit on 2 
 pages, so I'm good.
 
 But I'm glad I know some work-arounds the next time this happens 
 (assuming Finale isn't going to fix this anytime soon.
 
 All the best,
 Craig
 
 
 On 1/31/2014 11:02 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
 In your case, I would leave the To Coda in place, but hide it (for 
 playback). Then I would add an expression for correct visuals. The 
 expression can be attached to the 8th measure instead, or it can be added to 
 the parts with a metatool, attaching it to the multimeasure rest (Finale 
 thinks that an expression added to a multimeasure rest is attached to the 
 FIRST measure, but that won't mess you up, except in the score, where you 
 should probably hide it.)
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On Fri Jan 31, at FridayJan 31 10:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
 
 H.  That may account for everything.  I'll go back in and test that
 this afternoon. However, my situation is that I have an 8-bar section
 between double pars.  The To Coda happens at the end of the 7th bar.
 I want it to show a 7-bar mm rest with the To Coda carefully placed at
 the rightmost end of the 7-bar mm rest so that it is obvious the jump
 happens before that 8th bar.  In the score, I have the To Coda placed
 to the right of the 7th bar, but when Finale puts the MM rest into the
 parts, the To Coda ends up in a really stupid place.  Not only does it
 land on top of the 7, it isn't anywhere near the right end of the
 block and I can't move it manually.
 
 It seems like a catch-22.  I will try finessing this by breaking and
 rebuilding the mm rest, but I suspect I will just end up with the same
 problem.  I'd really like to avoid the solution Christopher offered
 because playback is important,  But it may come to that.
 
 Thanks guys.
 
 
 
 On 1/31/2014 5:26 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
 Items that are inside a multi-measure rest in the parts are difficult
 to move. You need to break the multi-measure rest in the part you're
 editing, move the To Coda sign, then rebuild the multi-measure rest.
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 and Windows 8

[Williams, Jim]

Yes--no issues.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Dec 28, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Apologies straight away - I'm sure this has been discussed before but it
 wasn't important to me then so I didn't take much notice.
 
 Does Finale 2012 work ok on Windows 8?
 
 I'm about to buy a new computer and would like reassurance.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Lawrence
 
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Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?

[Williams, Jim]

Here's a related question: how do linked parts handle ossia staves? Cleanly or 
with problems?

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Dan Tillberg dan.h.tillb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 OK but I would like to vocal part in a separate staff and not mixed with
 the normal wind staff.
 
 Perhaps the other suggestion, extract the parts together with the vocal
 line and then hide parts not necessary is what I am looking for. I'll try
 that.
 
 Thanks both :-)
 
 /D
 
 
 2013/12/19 Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca
 
 Just put the vocal part in another layer. You can copy it in with Show
 Active Layer Only activated (so it doesn't overwrite the part that is there
 already) then reduce it in size. Change the octave to avoid collisions,
 because of course the register is not essential.
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On Thu Dec 19, at ThursdayDec 19 8:57 AM, Dan Tillberg wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 I have run upon a need I haven't encountered before even if it probably
 isn't something extremely uncommon...
 
 I have a rubato part of a vocal chart, in which some wind instruments
 should follow the voice by playing long notes. To be able to change note
 at
 the right time (if a conductor isn't available or capable), I would like
 to
 let the wind players be able to see the vocal part in this section so
 they
 understand where the vocalist is, and this extra information needs to be
 in
 the part and together with their own staff.
 
 I havent't tested yet but when thinking about it I can only see one
 obvious
 solution and that would be to add an extra staff for each wind player,
 add
 this to the respective parts and copy the vocal part to these for this
 section. Then use the functionality to only show non-empty staves in the
 part (can't remember the name of this feature but I have used it earlier
 in
 some piano parts).
 
 Perhaps this would do it.
 
 But is there a more clever way? The best would of course be something
 more
 sophisticated so that if I change something in the vocal part it should
 change in all parts showing it as well.
 
 Please share your experience and great knowledge.
 
 Thanks
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Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

[Williams, Jim]

Part of this situation may well involve Human Playback. It still is NOT clear 
to me that HP interprets dynamics correctly/wisely. It seems to use a 
combination of CC7 volume and CC1 modwheel. Under that circumstance, the tone 
of winds and brass will not change as much as it would if CC1 dominated the 
dynamics.

The tradeoff with Garritan samples is cost, integration with Finale, and 
library size versus expressive capability.
To that end, the samples were designed such that velocity controlled attack for 
winds and brass instead of having various attack samples, and CC1 controlled 
volume AND added brightness via filter as dynamics increased (instead of using 
multi-velocity-layer samples). The samples were also offered dry, in order to 
allow users to control the sound environment.

Of course, ANY sample library will sound bad out of the box. Having said that, 
I will also express an opinion that MM has done a very poor job of integrating 
Garriten instruments into the operation of Finale. Furthermore, HP remains a 
black box with limited customization, and the MIDI Tool--the ideal place to do 
tweaking--has remained unchanged since I first bought Finale 2.0 in 1989 or so. 
Configuration files and essential XML files are strewn about a user's hard 
drive instead of having a central location, and simple typos in XML files 
prohibit users from loading instruments properly.

When MM acquired Garritan's IP, I hoped for seamless integration into Finale. 
If anything, it's gotten worse instead of better.

James C. Williams, MBA, CFP
E. B. Lacy Professor of Business
Franklin College
Euphonium Player Around several Towns


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Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:09 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Sale

I agree 100% with what Chuck said. Without tweaking, it is pretty lame.
I struggle with the volume levels.  I really have to work to get
anything heard in the mix. Spreading out the stereo field helps a lot.
Adjusting the way Finale interprets articulations, especially the
marcato mark, helps, but not nearly as much as I had hoped.

In other instrument libraries, you hear a real difference in timbre from
the low velocities to the high velocities.  For example, really
hammering on a piano doesn't sound anything like delicate playing.  The
winds have the same degree of variation -- if not a lot more -- and none
of that seems to come through with the Garritan sounds.  It is
particularly frustrating with a shout chorus that is common in big
band charts.  In those sections, you expect the winds (especially the
brass) to really sizzle, but you will probably not achieve anything like
that effect with the JABB library.

I don't know that there is a better solution out there.  Maybe
technology just hasn't progressed enough yet. It does seem to have
progressed (in other libraries) with pianos, guitars, basses, drum kits,
and strings.

Nonetheless, I agree that it is worth $75.  It is going to be better
than MIDI playback without any tweaking.


On 12/3/2013 1:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:
 The JABB sounds are better but not great. Piano, bass, drums, guitar and 
 baritone sax are good. Clarinet, bass clarinet and flute are good. Upper 
 saxes and brass are a lot less good.  We expect (justifiably) such nuance and 
 shaping of those sounds in the jazz style that it is probably too much to 
 expect to think that static samples would be satisfactory.  All in all, the 
 sounds are helpful to me. I have learned to estimate pretty well what a good 
 band will sound like from the JABB kazoos, but you have to make some balance 
 adjustments in the mixer. The trombones are far too loud for the rest of the 
 sounds. My take is that they are worth $75.

 Hope this helps.

 Chuck

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[Finale] Midi input doesn't change to patch sounds assigned to the staves

[Jim Fischer]

It worked a few days ago. 
When i recorded w Hyperscribe the midi triggered the different sounds.
Now it stays on a human voice sound regardless od which staff i'm recording. 
Any ideas on how to get this working again?

thx, 
Jim

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[Finale] #5

[Jim Dukey]

Weak? Then I've known and played with SO Many Weak Players,
from the San Francisco Symphony, and virtually ALL groups I've ever played in.
Players who mark their parts to be SURE of the accidentals.
Check your precious Finale Parts sometime, see what the players marked in.
Or the Conductor.
See how they ruined them…
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Re: [Finale] Chord notation question

[Williams, Jim]

What are the instruments playing under that symbol?

Or do you just have a lead sheet?

In such cases of odd chord symbols, I've always relied on the notes under the 
symbol to tell me what the odd symbol *really* means.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:08 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
 
 I'm doing a chart, and the composer has some chords as C (7)  but 
 instead of parentheses, the 7 is in a circle.  I have never run across 
 that variant before.
 What is he trying to specify?
 
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Re: [Finale] Chord notation question

[Williams, Jim]

If it's not too disruptive to your workflow, i'd save the chords on this 
particular chart until last if possible.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

 On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:36 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
 
 On 11/13/2013 8:21 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 What are the instruments playing under that symbol?
 
 Or do you just have a lead sheet?
 
 In such cases of odd chord symbols, I've always relied on the notes under 
 the symbol to tell me what the odd symbol *really* means.
 
 I start with the rhythm section usually.  I'll have to enter the parts 
 (16 horns) and convert to concert pitch to find out.
 
 cd
 
 On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:08 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
 
 I'm doing a chart, and the composer has some chords as C (7)  but
 instead of parentheses, the 7 is in a circle.  I have never run across
 that variant before.
 What is he trying to specify?
 
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[Finale] LaserJet 5000 and Windows 8

[Williams, Jim]

Good morning, everyone...

Is anyone using a LaserJet 5000 with Windows 8? I'm having a host of driver 
issues.
I want to print at 1200 DPI out of PCL6 or PS. 
The Universal Print Drivers max out evidently at 600 dpi.

The PCL 6 driver I got off Windows Update has a host of problems, including a 
setting in the EFFECTS area that automatically resets whatever paper size I 
want to letter with no ability for the user to override.

Is there perhaps a driver for a different HP printer that will work with 
Windows 8 and let the 5000 do all it can do?

AND: I eventually want to acquire a duplexer for the 5000--anyone have one or 
know someone who wants to part with one? Not much online. Maybe I better wait 
until I see if Windows 8 will even allow use of the duplexer on the 5000.

Thanks...
Jim

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[Finale] When did Finale quit having Encore as a viable import type on the File:import list?

[Jim Fischer]

When did Finale quit having Encore as a viable import type on the File:import 
list?

I see it was in Finale 2009.
Going back to some old files today.

Thx, Jim

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Re: [Finale] John Howell's Passing

[Williams, Jim]

I knew John and Susie from our Indiana university days. Susie had been doing 
some work that involved he Dutch language, and I was able to work with her a 
bit on that, after which we would sometimes hang and talk.

They were two very interesting and intelligent people, and I enjoyed their 
company during the brief time I got to spend with them.
Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On May 6, 2013, at 6:27 AM, David H. Bailey 
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote:

 [please forgive the cross-postings if you happen to receive this more
 than once]
 
 I can't recall when I first bumped into John Howell on-line, but I do
 remember that it was when he challenged some statement I had made
 regarding copyright.  I was totally mistaken, having voiced a common
 misconception about some aspect of copyright.
 
 He challenged me to read the copyright law, which I did, and to do
 further research, which I did, and from that first encounter, one of the
 biggest aspects of the on-line friendship which he and I developed (as
 he did with many many others) was his ability to make me challenge
 myself and to carefully think about what I was about to post.  I can
 only begin to imagine what an excellent teacher he was in person, but I
 know that he would have helped all his students take a huge step into
 being better students and better human beings by his constant
 willingness to challenge what was said and to force others to back up
 what they said with proof.
 
 I can't describe the feeling of being punched in the stomach that I had
 when I read of his passing yesterday (I hadn't been online on Saturday),
 and still I feel an emptiness inside, knowing that he will never again
 either challenge or agree with things that I write on the various
 on-line groups that we both belonged to.
 
 He and I think very much alike with regards to community music groups as
 well as agreeing on many other aspects of the musical world, and I know
 that I have lost a great and dear friend, as have we all.
 
 The world was a much better place for John's having been a part of it,
 and it will be all the poorer for the lack of his presence from now on.
 
 Rest in peace, dear friend.
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan band library - Avoiding simultaneous attacks

[Williams, Jim]

Craig...
several functions are in play here.

First, as mentioned earlier, HP does some randomization of note-on and -off 
times, but I haven't looked at a MIDI file to see how much. Wait until I finish 
writing my final exams!!

Unfortunately, making many of these adjustments requires use of Finale's MIDI 
tool, which AFAIK has not changed one bit since Finale 2.0, with which I 
started in 1989 or so.

As you may know, Finale chops up a quarter note into 1024 parts (EDUs), unlike 
any other program. If you go into the MIDI tool, there is a randomize function 
for note starts and ends. Apply a few EDUs of randomization if you think HP 
doesn't add enough.

BUT:
1. You will have to tell HP to look at this MIDI data and incorporate it into 
HP.
2. You must be VERY alert to repeated pitches and make sure they don't overlap, 
which can happen frequently. Two same notes, if overlapped, will kill playback 
of the second note.

ALSO: 
1. If you want certain parts of a piece swung and others straight, you can 
always use the APPLY HP plug-in in regions as necessary.
2. If you intend to export MIDI to a DAW, then using the APPLY HP plug-in is a 
MUST. Normal HP is NOT saved upon export to MIDI, whereas anything coming from 
the plug-in IS saved.
3. If your sections are behaving oddly, make sure that they do not consist of 
16ths. If you want swung 16ths, make sure to make the time signature 8/8 but 
make it display as 4/4.
4. The random movement of faders you noticed is a function of HP, and evidently 
occurs at times even if no particular instruction is on the score.
5. HP seems to use BOTH volume AND velocity to create dynamics. I question that 
procedure.
6. It takes some experimentation to find the right level of base channel volume 
for a given instrument because every ensemble is unique and necessary base 
volume level is a function of the context in which an instrument might appear. 
Once you find that proper balance, set it in the Score Manager and use dynamics 
in Finale for the rest.
7. HP is not necessarily as smart as we'd like it to be in all occasions, so it 
is frequently necessary to mark up a score very heavily to achieve your desired 
results...and in some cases, HP seems to impose its intelligence in a 
questionable manner and/or at questionable times.
8. The arcane nature of the MIDI tool impedes/prevents a lot of expressivity 
that Finale could achieve had any attention been paid to that tool since 1989. 
IMHO it is the most user-unfriendly part of Finale since the TCD Watershed Bit 
setting disappeared. ;-0  Given that the code seems to be undergoing a major 
update/rewrite, perhaps now's the time to really advocate for an improvement in 
the MIDI tool.
9. Having said all the above, it's still unclear to me whether putting up with 
HP is better or worse than putting up with real trumpet players. ;-)
Jim

James C. Williams, MBA, CFP
E. B. Lacy Professor of Business
Franklin College
Euphonium Player Around several Towns


From: Craig Parmerlee [cr...@acticalc.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 11:20 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Cc: Williams, Jim
Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan band library - Avoiding simultaneous attacks

On 4/24/2013 9:09 AM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 5.it is imperative to avoid simultaneous attacks. HP does that to some 
 extent, but I haven't taken the time to determine how much.

How do you do that?  Is that the setting in HP preferences - Tempo
variations called Don't randomize (exact timing)?

I find that I must keep that box checked on anything that isn't a swing
tune because even when I have swing values set to zero, HP still plays
SOME of the voices swingy.  This ruins any Latin tune.  I find this
uncontrollable urge while sitting at my computer to look back over my
shoulder and shout at the trumpets Straight eights, dammit!!.
Fortunately the Garritan trumpet section isn't able to retaliate by
screeching right into my ears -- at least they haven't so far.  So you
see, that is clear evidence that HP isn't like real trumpet players.  :)

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Re: [Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

[Williams, Jim]

Hi Craig...
How's your cimbasso? ;-)

It does take a fair amount of processing to make any sound library work. 

What are you doing with respect to panning? That can help greatly. So can 
reverb--how are you routing it? Are you using the stereo stage feature of ARIA?
How about EQ?
Also--what are you listening on? Computer speakers or studio monitors, or 
something in between?
It is absolutely essential to stagger attack times by a few ticks as well. HP 
does that to some extent, but perhaps not enough.

People sometimes set out of the box expectations for sound libraries too 
high, which may lead to frustration.

Perhaps if you bring your computer down to Franklin and buy me a couple pints 
of Guinness, we can discover some settings you like. ;-)

Some of us either make two scores (one for print  one for playback) or enter a 
lot of invisible markings on one score.
Take a bit if time to experiment and I'll bet your frustration levels fall.

Jim


Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On May 3, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:

 I have JABB V3 (the current version.  I think the saxes and various 
 basses are pretty good.  Trumpets are horrendous -- sound more like a 
 reed organ than a trumpet..  I have worked mostly with the individual 
 trumpet sounds of the notation - keyswitch category. so maybe some of 
 the other trumpet sounds are better.
 
 The trumpet harmon mute sound is good but I can't get any accents. The 
 straight mute sound really isn't usable at all.  Bucket is mediocre.
 
 Overall, there are basic problems with HP in this setting.  The most 
 annoying one for me is that HP doesn't observe the marcato accent (the 
 upside down V) correctly.  In big band, this will always be an 
 indication of a sharp punch -- never a long note -- always separation.  
 But HP plays it as a long note that is hardly separated at all.  And I 
 can't hear any difference between a passage with out slur and with 
 slur.  These aren't little nuances.  They are essential qualities of big 
 band style.  I'd say the JABB set is a little better than MIDI playback, 
 but without hours of tweaking, it is nothing like a realistic sound.
 
 That's the critical view.  Now, for the supportive view.  Even though it 
 is nothing like the hype, I personally find it a good enough quality 
 that it does help me hear things that I would have missed with MIDI 
 playback -- not just bad notes, but weak viocings and phrasing.  I have 
 made numerous improvements to arrangements that, realistically, I never 
 would have had time to make if I had to run it by a live band first.  So 
 despite its shortcomings, it is worth the money for me.
 
 My own mileage varies.
 Craig
 
 
 
 
 On 5/2/2013 10:22 PM, Girard Bowe wrote:
 
 And has anybody heard anything more atrocious than Finale's on-board
 Garritan sounds for brass? Does Garritan JABB sound any better? If so, how
 much tweaking is involved? Is there another jazz band sound option which
 doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
 
 Giz
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Re: [Finale] Garritan band library

[Williams, Jim]

There are a few points I might raise here:
1. Brasses are difficult to sample due to the complex overtones.
2. Homogeneous ensembles such as brass bands create problems as well.
3. The overtone situation Klaus describes can be adjusted via EQ. Go into the 
ARIA player and cut or boost frequencies to taste.
4. I find the base velocity in Finale's HP to be too low, yielding mushy 
attacks for brasses. Try increasing the base velocity to taste.
5.it is imperative to avoid simultaneous attacks. HP does that to some extent, 
but I haven't taken the time to determine how much.
6. Use reverb judiciously, avoiding extremes of wet and dry.
7.try panning similar tone colors on opposite sides of the stereo field if 
musically logical
8. Try automating reverb or EQ as a function of an instrument's dynamics or 
prominence
9. All the above would be MUCH easier if Finale's MIDI tool were easier to use. 
Right now it's a pain.
10. Don't expect anything just using the sounds out of the box
11. Not even the $5K libraries will do a great job of reproducing a brass band.
Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Apr 24, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre 
yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I certainly agree about the desirability of having the more varied selection 
 of band specific brass sounds. 
 The problems I perceived were with the upper overtones sounding shallow with 
 the band sound samples But then I might use the orchestral woodwind sounds 
 where I find them preferable. I like the clarinet sounds of the GPO.
 
 Thanks!
 Klaus
 --- On Wed, 4/24/13, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan band library
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 2:25 PM
 
 I can't speak to matters of taste, but i can say that there are a great
 many MORE brass samples in Garritan Band than in GPO.  Euphs vs. baritones,
 etc.  I find for brass band work it is quite helpful.
 
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre 
 yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Bought the Garritan Personal Orchestra some months ago. The better depth
 and more richness in details compared to the fewer sound samples coming
 with FM2012 have pleased me and been helpful in my work.
 
 Now I wanted to do a brass band version of a recent project, where it
 would have been of benefit to work with cornet sounds over the GPO
 trumpets. Also to have access to the alto/tenor horn sounds over the
 orchestral horn sounds. Same for a greater variety of baritone, euphonium,
 and tuba sounds.
 
 So I listened to the sound samples on the makemusic site. And I was deeply
 disappointed by the artificial, glassy, orchestrion quality of the
 soundscape.
 
 Do I have a wose than usual ear-day, or have others had similar
 experiences?
 
 Is the band library being in version 2 over the GPO being in version 4 a
 hint that the band library is kind of outdated?
 
 Klaus
 
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Re: [Finale] typing in music symbols

[Williams, Jim]

Hi, Linda.
Using finale fonts in word documents may often be problematic due to issues of 
baselines and spacing.

You'd be better served to download the Bach font, which contains myriad symbols 
and is specifically designed for use in word and similar programs. Of course, 
it comes with a character map so you can see which keys produce which symbols.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Apr 8, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Linda Worsley li...@ganymuse.com wrote:

 I occasionallyh need to type music symbols (ff, quarter note, fermata,
 etc.) into a Word file.  Is there a chart somewhere that contains all the
 keystrokes for the various symbpols?
 
 Thanks!
 Linda
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Re: [Finale] Component Files Folder (Mac)

[Bruce, Jim]

Hello all,
Here is the response from Finale Documentation:

The confusion stems from the fact that we reorganized the Finale folder 
structure in 2010 (Finale 2011), which means the Component Files folder was 
removed. Unfortunately, this particular help topic was not updated to reflect 
the change. The Maestro Font Default file can be found in this location:

Mac: ~/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2012/Music Files/Default 
Files
Win: C:\Users\[account]\AppData\Roaming\MakeMusic\Finale 2012\Music 
Files\Default Files

Remember that the tilde (~) is the character that OS X uses to refer to your 
user account.

I hope this helps,
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-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Haroldo Mauro
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:44 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Component Files Folder (Mac)

I'm sorry, the manual probably means NOT the user library but the computer's. 
But never mind what the manual says. I've checked both user and computer 
Library folders manually and found Component Files folder in NEITHER of them. 
How do you edit/save default files? BTW, I get to my user library from a link 
in the sidebar. Very convenient!

 
On 13/03/2013, at 21:21, Dick Hauser wrote:

 OK, I'm puzzled.
 
 On ML, the user library is hidden. If you need to open it, make sure you are 
 in the Finder, hold down the Option key, and then choose Go  Library.
 
 At first, I thought one had to use the option key when in finale looking for 
 a file which is in the user Library.  However, I just tried that and it 
 didn't work.
 
 From the finder I can get to  system / library / application support / make 
 music / Finale 2012 / but there is no Component files folder there.  There 
 is a Libraries folder, which has a Maestro Font Default in it, however.  
 
 Using the option key from the finder, I can get to user / library / 
 Application Support / Make Music / Finale 2012 / Libraries /  and find a 
 Maestro Font Default there also. 
 
 I don't have a clue as to how one might open that file in Finale to make 
 changes.
 
 
 Dick H
 OlyWa
 
 
 
 On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Haroldo Mauro hma...@hmauro.com wrote:
 
 Can't edit/create a default on Finale 2012 on a Mac. Manual tells me to 
 (from open menu) navigate to user:library:application support:make 
 music:finale 2012:component files:maestro font default.FTM to edit it. The 
 problem is, there is no component files folder on my computer neither 
 there is a Maestro Font Default.FTM file anywhere. I found two Maestro 
 Default Font files *without the sufix*, inside two Default Files folders, 
 one on each library folder (user and computer). If I try to edit these, I 
 get an error message when I attempt to replace the existing ones throug a 
 save command. Can anyone help?
 
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Re: [Finale] Garritan sound libraries

[Williams, Jim]

Hi, Phil...
The two libraries GPO and IO are entirely different.

If you are using Finale, you will likely prefer GPO.

It consists of traditional orchestra sections and solo instruments, so you can 
set up a total virtual full orchestra, chamber ensemble, etc.

It's more usable with Finale in terms of What you write is what you hear.

IO consists of sections, pre-defined chords, preset moods, etc, and takes more 
work to use with Finale if you want the score to match the sound. It is really 
designed for quick-sketching a movie scene or some programmatic music.

I would suggest that you go to YouTube and look for the IO demo series.

If you are doing traditional orchestral music or chamber ensembles, then 
Finale + GPO is the way to go.

The Garritan Instruments for Finale is a small sampling of sounds from the 
jazz collection, the orchestra collection, and the wind band set, etc. GPO is a 
full orchestra and then some--section strings, solo strings, brass, woodwinds, 
percussion, keyboards, etc. 

Also of interest, depending on what type of music you do, would be the jazz 
band set and the concert  marching band set.

Jim

Sent from my iPad, so pardon the typos.

On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote:

 I have been looking at the orchestral sound 
 libraries they have on offer, but I need a bit 
 more infor before plonking down that kind of money...
 
 Can anyone tell me what the difference is between 
 Instant Orchestra and Personal Orchestra.  I 
 cannot imagine anyone wanting 2 sets of orchestral sounds, so what is the 
 deal?
 
 Is one significantly better than the other?
 Also, what is the advantage over the Garritan sounds included with Finale?
 
 Thanks in advance...
 
 Phil.
 
 
 
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[Finale] Message #4 Response

[Jim Dukey]

No Low C on Bass Clar either. You have to buy the Garittan Orchestra Package
to get missing notes.
I've used the Soft Synth Contra Bass Cl to cover the Low C's, but it doesn't 
fit with the Garittan, too fuzzy, fat and woofy.
Is there a Bass Fl you could steal those notes from?
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Re: [Finale] Possible bug

[Williams, Jim]

Yes...at times I think this feature does more harm than good.
It is supposed to solve a problem that would arise from entering music into 
existing block rests.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jan 21, 2013, at 6:14 PM, John Blane j...@blanemusic.com wrote:

 Turn OFF Update Automatically in the Multirest options
 
 On Jan 21, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
 
 Is this a bug, or is it just me: editing a linked part, I change the end
 point of a multimeasure rest to accommodate a clef change in the following
 measure.  When I go back to the score (no editing), then back to the part,
 the end point of the multimeasure rest has been reset to the default value.
 In fact, edits to the end points of multimeasure rests in all linked parts
 are reset to the default value.  My default value for the end point is -20,
 which I change to -45 for clef changes, so it's very obvious when it gets
 reset.  Bug?
 
 -Lee
 
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Re: [Finale] Possible bug

[Williams, Jim]

OK, Jef...I'm listening...when should it be on? Off? 

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jan 21, 2013, at 7:56 PM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com 
wrote:

 
 it is actually a very useful feature, you need to decide when to use 
 it and when not to use it.
 
 Yes...at times I think this feature does more harm than good.
 It is supposed to solve a problem that would arise from entering 
 music into existing block rests.
 
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Re: [Finale] Possible bug

[Williams, Jim]

Jef,
It is clear indeed  I will try next project. Thank you!

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:13 PM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com 
wrote:

 
 if you are still entering music it should be on.  once you are 
 cleaning up the parts, it should be off.  obviously it would be best 
 to do all the cues in the score before doing the parts, but i know 
 this is not always possible.  if you have started working on the 
 parts and then add music or cues and need the MM rests to break then 
 this can be done manually (selectively, not to the entire document) 
 after it has been turned off.
 
 it really is a workflow issue (when you do what in which order).  i 
 don't see how this particular tool could be made intelligent enough 
 to know when i need it to be on/off.  so i need to know at what 
 point it can no longer help me blindly and turn it off.
 
 is that clear?  this is one of those things that is just clear in my 
 head for the work i do and maybe i can't *explain* so clearly :-), 
 but i hope this helps.
 
 OK, Jef...I'm listening...when should it be on? Off?
 
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Re: [Finale] Question on chords

[Williams, Jim]

That thing of calling Gm7(b5) a Bbmi6 really misleads beginners because it 
hides the 2-5 in minor, and it still exists in a lot of print editions.
Really can mess up a bass line!

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:09 AM, Christopher Smith 
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote:

 I'm late to the party, but Jim Williams seems to have it worked out correctly.
 
 I gather that in the young days of complex chord symbols, some arrangers were 
 still mixing in elements of figured bass, where the notes in a chord took on 
 the accidental from the KEY they were in, instead of calculated as a fixed 
 interval above the bass note/root. I've taken note of these to show to my 
 students, as there is no telling what you might come across in the Wild West 
 of chord symbols.
 
 Monk and his peers are well-documented as calling a m5(b5) or 
 half-diminished chord a minor chord with the sixth in the bass. While it 
 seems odd to us, it DOES tend to encourage the player to use a certain chord 
 scale.
 
 I would definitely edit these to modern (and consistent!) standards, in case 
 you were still in doubt.
 
 Christopher
 
 
 On Wed Dec 26, at WednesdayDec 26 1:12 AM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 
 Sure...glad to help.
 I see some logic to it now--in D9(flat), the flat 9 is indeed flat--e flat.
 For E9(natural), the flat 9 is F natural.
 Still odd. ;-0
 
 Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
 
 On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:03 AM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
 
 On 12/25/2012 9:54 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 Yeah...interesting indeed. Never seen that before.
 You've described the chords correctly as 7(b9), so why not go with what 
 the parts are saying?
 Jim
 
 Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
 
 Thanks, Jim.  I appreciate the feedback.  It's always useful to have a 
 second opinion.
 
 cd
 
 On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:49 AM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
 
 On 12/25/2012 9:09 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 What do the parts tell you?
 
 Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
 
 First one is a D9 - D, F#, A, C, Eb.  D7(b9)?
 Second is an E9 - E, G#, B, D, F  E7(b9)?
 
 Both have that b7, b9, but both have M3, so not minor 9 chords.
 
 Interesting notation, eh?
 
 On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 
 7th
 is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each 
 chord.
 Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
 
 I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy
 in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord
 markings that are new to me.
 
 Measure 1 is  D9(flat)
 Measure 6 is  E9(natural)
 
 This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these 
 be
 marked now?  Is it D9(b???)  D7(b9)???  Ummm... new to me.
 
 Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated.
 
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Re: [Finale] Question on chords

[Williams, Jim]

What do the parts tell you?

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 7th
 is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each chord.
 Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
 
 I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy
 in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord
 markings that are new to me.
 
 Measure 1 is  D9(flat)
 Measure 6 is  E9(natural)
 
 This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be
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Re: [Finale] Question on chords

[Williams, Jim]

Yeah...interesting indeed. Never seen that before.
You've described the chords correctly as 7(b9), so why not go with what the 
parts are saying?
Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:49 AM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:

 On 12/25/2012 9:09 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 What do the parts tell you?
 
 Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
 
 First one is a D9 - D, F#, A, C, Eb.  D7(b9)?
 Second is an E9 - E, G#, B, D, F  E7(b9)?
 
 Both have that b7, b9, but both have M3, so not minor 9 chords.
 
 Interesting notation, eh?
 
 On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 7th
 is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each chord.
 Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
 
 I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy
 in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord
 markings that are new to me.
 
 Measure 1 is  D9(flat)
 Measure 6 is  E9(natural)
 
 This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be
 marked now?  Is it D9(b???)  D7(b9)???  Ummm... new to me.
 
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Re: [Finale] Question on chords

[Williams, Jim]

Sure...glad to help.
I see some logic to it now--in D9(flat), the flat 9 is indeed flat--e flat.
For E9(natural), the flat 9 is F natural.
Still odd. ;-0

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:03 AM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:

 On 12/25/2012 9:54 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 Yeah...interesting indeed. Never seen that before.
 You've described the chords correctly as 7(b9), so why not go with what the 
 parts are saying?
 Jim
 
 Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
 
 Thanks, Jim.  I appreciate the feedback.  It's always useful to have a 
 second opinion.
 
 cd
 
 On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:49 AM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
 
 On 12/25/2012 9:09 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:
 What do the parts tell you?
 
 Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
 
 First one is a D9 - D, F#, A, C, Eb.  D7(b9)?
 Second is an E9 - E, G#, B, D, F  E7(b9)?
 
 Both have that b7, b9, but both have M3, so not minor 9 chords.
 
 Interesting notation, eh?
 
 On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 
 7th
 is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each chord.
 Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
 
 I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy
 in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord
 markings that are new to me.
 
 Measure 1 is  D9(flat)
 Measure 6 is  E9(natural)
 
 This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be
 marked now?  Is it D9(b???)  D7(b9)???  Ummm... new to me.
 
 Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated.
 
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Re: [Finale] Help - computer is dead!

[Williams, Jim]

Ray,
Our family owns two Toshiba laptops. I bought an 875 as an early present to 
myself--4 CPUs and 8 gb of ram.
Son has an earlier version (forget the number). Both are well-made workhorses 
at reasonable prices at best buy.
On the down side, the hard drive in my new 875 spins at only 5400 rpm, rather 
than the recommended 7200 for Garritan work.

 I did notice a bit of popping in some finale files that I solved by increasing 
latency. 

When I get back from the Midwest band clinic, I'm going to attach my ASIO audio 
interface, which will solve that issue.

As to video, the 875 has a big screen but I do the dual monitor thing with a 
large pivoting screen. 

Having said that, the Toshiba screens are big enough to do some good work when 
not hooked into the second screen.

Finally, my new 875 came with Windows 8, which I do not like. I seriously 
considered wiping the HDD when I got it and installing 7, but thought I'd go 
with the flow. It reminds me of my iPad. ;-(

I am now happily working with finale 2012, and every Garritan library all the 
way back to the original GPO...

Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Dec 18, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com 
wrote:

 On Tue, December 18, 2012 8:53 am, Raymond Horton wrote:
 Do you think the Toshiba laptop described would make a good second PC,
 capable of running Finale and Garritan?
 
 Can't help you there -- I seriously dislike laptops for scoring, and don't use
 them for any serious work. I have the big laptop running Linux, so no Finale
 there. Laptop screens are too small for scoring work.
 
 My little Dell netbook works great for special purposes and for keeping a
 diary when traveling. I actually used the netbook for my opera -- I couldn't
 afford to bring in a cimbalom player, so got a customized set of cimbalom
 samples from Bolder Sounds and ran it using Finale's Aria player driven from
 an external Kurzweil keyboard.
 
 I do like my customized desktop system with its big monitors and fast hard
 drives. (When I'm traveling, I pretty much switch to paper and pencil and
 enter the music when I get back home.)
 
 Dennis
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 32-bit vs. Sibelius 64-bit

[Bruce, Jim]

Hello All,
We are here to help with these types of problem. Please submit a case since 
this is not common behavior.

Jim Bruce
MANAGER, CUSTOMER SUPPORT
MakeMusic, Inc.
7615 Golden Triangle Drive, Suite M
Eden Prairie, MN 55344-3848 



-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Howey, Henry
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:00 AM
To: finale
Subject: [Finale] Finale 32-bit vs. Sibelius 64-bit

A small note:

The playback of my very complicated scores in FINALE is really terrible in 
comparison with the playback I have with Sibelius.

Also, has anyone noted that the ARIA manual is about three versions?

The FINALE score still looks better.


Henry Howey
Professor of Music
  Sam Houston State University
  Box 2208
  Huntsville, TX  77341
  (936) 294-1364
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Re: [Finale] 2012 WinFin major screwup

[Williams, Jim]

I have had no ASIO issues. Care to elaborate?

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Aug 31, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Henry Howey mus_...@shsu.edu wrote:

 The MakeMusic folks seem to have a deathwish with 2012. The latest is an ASIO 
 error that completely shuts down a PC with no recovery except to crash it. 
 
 These guys are not doing well;-(
 
 Henry Howey
 
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Re: [Finale] 2012 WinFin major screwup

[Williams, Jim]

That's probably the expected behavior. Audio apps don't often like to share the 
same driver unless it's specifically multi-client.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com 
wrote:

 On Fri, August 31, 2012 7:17 pm, Henry Howey wrote:
 The MakeMusic folks seem to have a deathwish with 2012. The latest is an ASIO
 error that completely shuts down a PC with no recovery except to crash it.
 
 I don't have a crash, but running Finale causes other audio applications to
 distort (even if I'm not using any Finale playback). As soon as I shut Finale,
 the other applications return to normal.
 
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Re: [Finale] 2012 WinFin major screwup

[Williams, Jim]

H...never tried that much of a load. My MLB I watch on my iPad. ;-)

I'll try some multi-client  see what happens. John Mayberry just HRd for 
phila. Yankees  White Sox lost.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Aug 31, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com 
wrote:

 On Fri, August 31, 2012 10:21 pm, Williams, Jim wrote:
 That's probably the expected behavior. Audio apps don't often like to share
 the same driver unless it's specifically multi-client.
 
 This is Windows with a Saffire Pro 40. I can have multiple clients running at
 the same time -- VLC, Sonar, Vegas, Audition, YouTube, MLB... Only running
 Finale causes everybody else to distort.
 
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Re: [Finale] 2nd Quarter 2012 results

[Williams, Jim]

Whoops--hit send too soon.
Evidently some of these locations are sacrosanct.

A while ago I suggested a small number of relocations and was chewed out by a 
power user.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Aug 21, 2012, at 8:49 AM, David H. Bailey 
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote:

 On 8/21/2012 7:56 AM, Colin Broom wrote:
 
 Yeah, I did know that, thanks, but I guess it bothers me that by default it 
 takes up so much space. My bigger issue with it is that it's not especially 
 intuitive. For example, one particular gripe is that depending on which tab 
 is selected, the plugins button has different content, which makes things 
 harder to find.
 I guess as long as there's some kind of keyboard shortcuts such as offered 
 by TG, it might be manageable, but I hope they don't go down the tabs route, 
 as even with familiarity, I don't think it results in an advance in 
 efficiency.
 C.
 
 
 I can't argue with you on any of the points you mention -- but a few 
 versions ago Finale restructured its menus and I find many of their 
 decisions just as unintuitive as any ribbon structure I've seen.  For 
 example, I've never understood why show active layer only was under 
 the View menu in Finale when it was really most useful while editing 
 and so my intuition always looked for it under the Edit menu.  But I 
 eventually got used to it, but now it's under the Document menu!  Well 
 practically everything in Finale works on the current Document, so why 
 didn't they put *everything* under the Document menu?  Why take 
 something that has to do with how someone *views* the music or how 
 someone *edits* the music and place it in a menu that to my intuition 
 would most likely be where the page margins and other layout issues 
 would be placed?  And why is Transpose under Utilities instead of 
 Edit?  And why is respell notes under Utilities while Enharmonic 
 Spelling is under Edit?  You don't edit the music with the entry 
 Enharmonic Spelling -- you tell the program how to interpret things. 
 So wouldn't that be a Utility or at the least a Preference?  While 
 actually respelling the notes is part of editing the music isn't it? 
 Why is Save Preferences under File while the actual defining of the 
 preferences is under the Edit menu?  Shouldn't everything that 
 pertains to Preferences be together?
 
 I don't expect any answers to my questions because there is no 
 justification for placing those (and other) menu items where they are in 
 Finale that I can see.  But obviously someone found great justification 
 for making those decisions.  I don't find the Finale menus any less 
 confusing that the Sibelius ribbon, and ultimately things become 
 comfortable once we start using them regularly.  So I rarely am using 
 the Find in Ribbon feature of Sibelius these days, but I sure could 
 use one for Finale, which they very conveniently didn't include.  I 
 would think that would be a utility that everybody who uses new versions 
 of Finale could benefit from, yet it's not under the Utilities menu 
 and not under any other menu either.
 
 Ultimately one person's wow, that is so intuitive! is another person's 
 holy cow, why on earth would they hide that entry under that heading, 
 it makes no sense whatsoever?!
 
 One great benefit of Sibelius, which I hope Finale will someday 
 institute natively, not requiring a plug-in, is the ability of a user to 
 define their own keyboard shortcuts, so the entire interface practically 
 can be turned into keyboard shortcuts.
 
 
 -- 
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Re: [Finale] 2nd Quarter 2012 results

[Williams, Jim]

Some of these locations are evidently sacrosanct.


Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Aug 21, 2012, at 8:49 AM, David H. Bailey 
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote:

 On 8/21/2012 7:56 AM, Colin Broom wrote:
 
 Yeah, I did know that, thanks, but I guess it bothers me that by default it 
 takes up so much space. My bigger issue with it is that it's not especially 
 intuitive. For example, one particular gripe is that depending on which tab 
 is selected, the plugins button has different content, which makes things 
 harder to find.
 I guess as long as there's some kind of keyboard shortcuts such as offered 
 by TG, it might be manageable, but I hope they don't go down the tabs route, 
 as even with familiarity, I don't think it results in an advance in 
 efficiency.
 C.
 
 
 I can't argue with you on any of the points you mention -- but a few 
 versions ago Finale restructured its menus and I find many of their 
 decisions just as unintuitive as any ribbon structure I've seen.  For 
 example, I've never understood why show active layer only was under 
 the View menu in Finale when it was really most useful while editing 
 and so my intuition always looked for it under the Edit menu.  But I 
 eventually got used to it, but now it's under the Document menu!  Well 
 practically everything in Finale works on the current Document, so why 
 didn't they put *everything* under the Document menu?  Why take 
 something that has to do with how someone *views* the music or how 
 someone *edits* the music and place it in a menu that to my intuition 
 would most likely be where the page margins and other layout issues 
 would be placed?  And why is Transpose under Utilities instead of 
 Edit?  And why is respell notes under Utilities while Enharmonic 
 Spelling is under Edit?  You don't edit the music with the entry 
 Enharmonic Spelling -- you tell the program how to interpret things. 
 So wouldn't that be a Utility or at the least a Preference?  While 
 actually respelling the notes is part of editing the music isn't it? 
 Why is Save Preferences under File while the actual defining of the 
 preferences is under the Edit menu?  Shouldn't everything that 
 pertains to Preferences be together?
 
 I don't expect any answers to my questions because there is no 
 justification for placing those (and other) menu items where they are in 
 Finale that I can see.  But obviously someone found great justification 
 for making those decisions.  I don't find the Finale menus any less 
 confusing that the Sibelius ribbon, and ultimately things become 
 comfortable once we start using them regularly.  So I rarely am using 
 the Find in Ribbon feature of Sibelius these days, but I sure could 
 use one for Finale, which they very conveniently didn't include.  I 
 would think that would be a utility that everybody who uses new versions 
 of Finale could benefit from, yet it's not under the Utilities menu 
 and not under any other menu either.
 
 Ultimately one person's wow, that is so intuitive! is another person's 
 holy cow, why on earth would they hide that entry under that heading, 
 it makes no sense whatsoever?!
 
 One great benefit of Sibelius, which I hope Finale will someday 
 institute natively, not requiring a plug-in, is the ability of a user to 
 define their own keyboard shortcuts, so the entire interface practically 
 can be turned into keyboard shortcuts.
 
 
 -- 
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 dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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Re: [Finale] {Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: hand spacing disappears

[Williams, Jim]

For a start, ask politely and do not insult the site that provides much insight 
and wisdom about Finale.
Then someone might reply.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Aug 21, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Apeman apeman...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 How do you get off this piece of shit website?
 
 --- On Tue, 8/21/12, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 
 From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [Finale] hand spacing disappears
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 5:32 PM
 
 
 
 On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you have manual positioning set to incorporate in the music spacing
 preferences?
 
 Thank you, Don and Jari.  Don's suggestion seems to be the one affecting 
 things here.
 
 Great help, as usual.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Don Hart
 On Aug 21, 2012 2:55 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Collective wisdom:
 
 I am working on some linked parts in 2012, using the special tools to move
 a single note slightly to the right in order to make space for a smart
 shape parentheses that surrounds the notehead.  Then I nudge the smart
 shape a pixel or two and leave the part.  When I return to the part, the
 spacing is gone.  I'd use one of Bill Duncan's double parentheses
 articulations, (they'd space automatically with note spacing) but they are
 too close together to accommodate the accidental on the note.  I suppose I
 can use separate open and close parentheses articulations, and maybe that's
 the best solution, but I'd like to know why the hand spacing disappears.
 
 Ideas please?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chuck
 
 
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 8831 SE 12th Ave.
 Portland, OR 97202-7097
 
 land line: (503) 954-2107cell phone: (360) 201-3434
 
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Re: [Finale] 2012 for $99 Thumbs up or down? Need more input!!!

[Williams, Jim]

I'll add my voice to the ones who advise to buy. 

As to the score manager, it is a work in process  will likely take a few 
iterations to get close to perfection. 

As we all know, that seems to be a pattern with some major features.

I like 2012 and share in the hope that the promised updater brings pleasant and 
needed surprises.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jun 14, 2012, at 2:40 PM, David H. Bailey 
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote:

 I bought the upgrade from 2011 to 2012 and would most likely do so again 
 just because I like to keep current.  But I don't notice any huge 
 notation improvements, nor is my work-flow enhanced in any major way.
 
 If you've got the money, I would suggest making the upgrade, especially 
 since the upcoming interim update patch, according to that blog we got a 
 link to a couple of weeks ago makes it seem as if it will be almost like 
 getting for free what we used to pay for each year.
 
 I'd say you should buy the upgrade.
 
 David H. Bailey
 
 
 
 
 On 6/14/2012 12:05 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
 Hey, folks, I expected a LOT more than two replies on this subject!
  (Thanks, Ryan and Jef!)
 
 I know you can't tell me if the (Windows) Finale 2011 to 2012 upgrade is
 worth $99 of MY money - just tell me if you think it would be worth $99 of
 YOUR money.
 
 The deal is good through Friday:   Upgrade Today for
 $99https://www.finalemusic.com/summersale/default.aspx?Version=2011utm_source=cheetahutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Fin2012UpgSale_06-13-2012_2011
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
 
 
 On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Raymond Horton 
 horton.raym...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 OK guys, I'd like to ask for your input.
 
 I am a sucker, the kind that has kept Finale afloat.  Ever since coming
 over to Finale (Windows) from archaic software in 1997, I have upgraded
 every year - I think I am pathologically afraid I am going to miss
 something.  The only upgrade I regretted was  2007 - it had that terrible
 print to postage stamp-size bug that only seemed to hit a few unfortunate
 users.
 
 Last summer, as my primary employer (The Louisville Orchestra) was doing
 everything it could to not employ musicians for over a year, I skipped
 2012.  It was difficult for someone as mentally dented as myself, but I did
 it and took great comfort in the complaints here about Score Manager, etc.,
 and happily went along with 2011.  (I even warned my daughter not to
 upgrade.)  I do have issues with 2011, from time to time, but I realize I
 may have to replace my 5-year-old computer at some point and blame it most
 of the time.
 
 We are back on the payroll, now (well, if the first check comes out Friday
 as promised) and I could swing the 2012 upgrade, if it is worthwhile.  We
 have two more days at the $99 price - so what's your verdict?  WinFin2012
 over 2011 for $99 - yes or no?
 
 Thanks for your input!
 
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[Williams, Jim]

With all this talk of staves, I am tempted to whip out my euphonium  play 
Roll Out the Barrel.

Would that stave off an impending disaster?

Jim stave is also a verb, remember! Williams

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jun 14, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Lawrence yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Because a singular line is a stave and the plural is staves. :-)
 
 Cheers, 
 
 Lawrence (in England)
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 14 Jun 2012, at 07:46 PM, David H. Bailey 
 dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote:
 
 On 6/14/2012 1:59 PM, John Howell wrote:
 At 8:14 AM -0400 6/14/12, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
 On Thu, June 14, 2012 7:36 am, Florence + Michael wrote:
 Here's what Elaine Gould writes
 To keep the stave as uncluttered as possible
 
 Just curious: Do you use 'stave' for the singular form? It sounds odd to 
 me,
 even though it's apparently correct. I hadn't heard this singular form 
 until
 recently, and wondered if it's regional?
 
 
 It may well be a cross-the-pond difference, as
 some seem to think that a choice between bar
 and measure is.  (I've always used both terms
 interchangeably.)
 
 To me it's always been obvious that a single
 staff is a staff, and the plural is staves.
 Stave as a singular feels like an incorrect
 derivation.  But that's just me.  I'm also
 careful to use medium as the singular of
 media; datum as the singular of data; and
 timpano as the singular of timpani.
 
 
 On the other hand, if there are multiple groups of people working for an 
 organization, they are pluralized to be staffs.  Again for the use of 
 the word staff as a wooden stick, the plural is staffs.  So why, if 
 the singular for a line of music is a staff isn't the plural staffs?
 
 And thinking about the plural for those pieces of wood shaped to form a 
 barrel, they are called staves and the singular is called stave as 
 in a barrel stave.
 
 I think that somewhere long ago in history words got mistranslated out 
 of the Italian and then misused in different English speaking areas.
 
 Since we're on lexicography, can anybody explain why sharps, flats and 
 naturals are called accidentals?
 
 -- 
 David H. Bailey
 dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
 
 
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Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

[Williams, Jim]

French equivalent of Haggis, is it then?

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:34 PM, David H. Bailey 
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote:

 On 4/18/2012 2:11 PM, rglan wrote:
 At 12:26 PM -0400 18/4/12,christopher.sm...@videotron.ca  écrit:
 a kind of sausage
 
 Oui, porc flesh mixed with chopped tripe and
 herbs and put inside the intestine :-)salivate
 In the 12th c. this word also denoted the male
 sexe ;-)  And I hope David H. Bailey didn't take
 offense; unlike most French people I tend to use
 this word very loosely, there was no malice
 intended. It's rarely used in France these days,
 has gone out of fashion, but I love it.
 Andouillette is still commonly used being a much
 smaller version of an andouille i.e. small
 sausage ;-)
 
 Thank you for the further insight into the modern Finale.
 
 
 Nope, I didn't take offense.  Even though I didn't know exactly what it 
 was I knew it was something derogatory but used in jest.
 
 
 
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[Finale] Trouble w Finale 2008 crashing upon running program

[Jim Fischer]

I used Carbon Copy Cloner to create a new boot disk for my 6 year old  
G5 2Ghz Power PC. Using
Finale 2008 on OSX 10.4.

When I run Finale 2008 it starts loading 'items about midi etc. then  
just quits.
I read a Makemusic report about removing all audio plug-ins and  
restarting to see if it loads.
Haven't tried that !!!

Any Suggestions?
Thx much,
Jim

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[Finale] OT: DELL 3115CN Printer

[Williams, Jim]

Hi, everyone...
Does anyone have this printer? It's a three-in-one.
Do you know anyone who has one?
Does your Aunt Glenn know anyone whose mailman owns one?

If so, please contact me off-list at jwilli...@franklincollege.edu
or via ham radio--N9EJR
or via carrier pigeon
or via telepathy.

Thanx.

I want to network it to print my Finale documents.

Jim W.


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Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions

[Williams, Jim]

The answer to your question depends upon the version of Finale you have.
Please tell us and we can then provide proper advice to you. ;-)

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical 
Engravings ayottemu...@aol.com wrote:

 
 Dear Collective Wisdom:
 
 I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple 
 instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my 
 expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI 
 patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto 
 to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters 
 offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard.
 
 A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition and 
 make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score, 
 therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is 
 important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error 
 detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make 
 rehearsal tapes for the singers.
 
 Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
 Benjamin
 
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Re: [Finale] opening a MIDI file in Finale.

[Williams, Jim]

I would be surprised if this were a type 0/type 1 issue, unless the Encore user 
specifically chose to export as type 0.
Also--if the others opened well, that's a sign that the one file is problematic.
If nobody has volunteered yet, I'll be happy to look at the file.
Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Antonio Di Martino bassm...@katamail.com wrote:

 
 Linda, it might be a type 0/type 1 issue.
 
 MIDI files come in two flavours - well actually three, but that's beside
 the point - and maybe Finale can deal only with type 0, not with type 1,
 MIDI files (the opposite is less common). You can check if this is the
 case by trying a type1-to-type0 converter, or a type0-to-type1.
 
 Are you on Windows? If so, this site has a wealth of such MIDI tools,
 including the ones you need.
 
 http://www.gnmidi.com/gnfreeen.htm
 
 The only downside is that these programs are command line utilities, so
 there's no point and click interface.
 
 I hope this helps,
 Antonio
 
 On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:42:54 -0500
 Linda Worsley li...@ganymuse.com wrote:
 
 Help!  I have been receiving MIDI files from a client--created originally
 in Encore, and saved as a standard MIDI file.  I have managed to open
 fifteen of them in Finale and create Finale scores using the MIDI
 information, comparing it to a PDF of the Encore printout for accuracy.
 
 Encore is, of course, a horror show, but most of the time I can make these
 work.
 
 The 16th file, created in the same way, refuses to open and gives me an
 error message that says Finale cannot open this filetype. I downloaded it
 the same way I did the others.  Like the others, it has .mid at the end of
 the file name, and he PDF of that file is perfect.  I've tried opening it
 by double clicking, by opening it within the program and every other way
 I can think of.  I even tried importing it in xml, but nothing works.  It
 imported a blank score.
 
 The client reconstituted the MIDI file from the original Encore file, as
 he had the others, and they were just fine, opened like a charm.  This
 one... well, does anyone have any advice?  (Just make a new score from the
 pdf? he insists that there will be too many errors in translation.  But
 that may be my last resort.
 
 Thanks for any words of wisdom.
 
 Linda Worsley
 
 
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