[Flashcoders] When migrate to Flash 8?

2005-10-27 Thread Gregory
Hello flashcoders,

I haven't upgrade to Flash 8 so far. Of course I'll do it soon ;-).
But I have already read some of the manuals (AS reference, components etc)

New features are great, definitely worth buying/using/migrating.
The only question is when?

Example:
My product, Dynamic Blend v.2 Flash MX 2004 component, uses Color class (Flash 
5-7).
Have a look: http://www.gousable.com/flash/dynBlend.html

Now in Flash 8 Color class became deprecated (in favor of the 
flash.geom.ColorTransform class).
No doubt flash.geom.ColorTransform class is better, but it's flash8-only.

Most other deprecated functions are from Flash 4, so I think Color
class will be supported until version 10 (or even 12 ;-).

On the other hand, during the last year approx. 80% of my clients require 
compatibility with
Flash Player 6, and approx 30% - with Flash Player 5!

If possible, I don't want to force user to install something...

I'd like to hear your opinion regarding this.  

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Re: [Flashcoders] cancel loading process

2005-10-27 Thread Ian Thomas
I seem to recall someone on this list suggesting that if you call
loadMovie(null) on an already loading clip, it actually cancels the load.

Of course, I may have been dreaming... I haven't actually tried it!

HTH,
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Re: [Flashcoders] LoaderClass in Flash 8

2005-10-27 Thread erixtekila

Hi there,


I've checked Brian's port.
It seems interesting because of some additions.

But you should be aware that's it is just an inclusion of the methods 
without private/public modifiers.

I'll manage to add this once I get time.
That way you'll get these modifiers plus Brian's add.


Checked Bryan Ledford's site, there was an update this month:
2005/10/4
http://www.bryanledford.com/download/LoaderClass2.0.zip



Bryan Ledford rewrote this class for AS 2.
http://www.v-i-a.net/download/?LoaderQueue
http://www.v-i-a.net/download/?LoaderQueue_doc



The above urls are still valid.

BTW, I was thinking that I should rethink the whole implementation.
In fact, MovieClipLoader has a new onLoadError event and manage 404 
HTTP headers.


As it'll glue the use with flash8, it could be interesting though.

To finish, we could imagine an implemenation using a Strategy pattern 
to switch between the way to behave in regard of the flash version.

But my question is : Do a queue loader class need worth it ?
Tell me.


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Re[2]: [Flashcoders] LoaderClass in Flash 8

2005-10-27 Thread Igor Ageyev
Hello Barrett.

B http://www.bryanledford.com/download/LoaderClass2.0.zip

Thanks for this link.

Fixed bug with interval id.
If I have correctly understood, now it is possible to use the own
broadcaster for events of LoaderClass (AsBroadcaster by default).


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[Flashcoders] Shared Library updates

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Klasson

Hi people.

Has Shared Library gotten any updates in flash7/flash8?

I am trying to find documentation and articles, but it seems like shared
libraries are much of headache that you have to find out yourself. 

What I have noticed is that my FontLoader that loads shared libraries
does have different limitation in regard whether I use flash6 or 7/8.
Not a big thing at all, but still not so very nicely though.

/ martin
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RE: [Flashcoders] Local machine data manipulation

2005-10-27 Thread Nick Weekes
Thanks for the comments Jesse.  One question on Director though (before
going waaay OT), is it possible to perform local file write operations while
still in the browser, or do these have to be projector files, i.e.
standalone executables?

Thanks,

Nick

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Flash cannot write to the local file system; it can read.

To write, you'll need a 3rd party projector (mProjector, SWFStudio, Zinc,
Screenweaver [open source]), or Macromedia Director.

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Subject: [Flashcoders] Local machine data manipulation


Hi all,

Im trying to get my head around the capabilities of Flash/Flex for the
following simple scenario:

1) Load a text file (csv/txt etc) from the local file system into a flash
object
2) Convert this object into properly formatted xml
3) Save to local file system

On PC this sort of thing is traditionally done using a windows application,
but I would like to know how much of this I can achieve in a flash
environment.  I have a .NET server/SQL server too,  but Im hoping this can
all be done client-side so I don't have to upload the data and then
re-download it.

Any thoughts/ideas appreciated.

Cheers,

Nick
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Re: [Flashcoders] a little OT (maybe): Flash in Firefox

2005-10-27 Thread f a r i d|s i l v a|a b o i d
I think that your server does not have php support. Check it with your
hosting provider

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Re: [Flashcoders] a little OT (maybe): Flash in Firefox

2005-10-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
maybe this is obvious but you ARE running it through a webserver, right? 
not just opening the file from your harddrive...


/andreas

f a r i d|s i l v a|a b o i d wrote:

I think that your server does not have php support. Check it with your
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Re: [Flashcoders] a little OT (maybe): Flash in Firefox

2005-10-27 Thread MetaArt
well, all solved: the hosting haven't enabled the php... now work fine.
thanx_to_all

 Enrico Tomaselli
  + web designer +
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[Flashcoders] GIS data and Flash

2005-10-27 Thread Weyert de Boer
Does anyone know some good solutions for showing or reading in GIS data 
into a Flash movie? I heard that a company will
announce a GIS webservice for Flex, though. Only I can't find any 
information on that. If anyone know some good solution, please let me now!


Yours,
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Re[2]: [Flashcoders] LoaderClass in Flash 8

2005-10-27 Thread Igor Ageyev
Hello erixtekila.

e To finish, we could imagine an implemenation using a Strategy pattern
e to switch between the way to behave in regard of the flash version.

I think, it is good idea.

e Do a queue loader class need worth it ?

Personally I'm still targeting the Flash Player 6.
And therefore in functionality of MovieClipLoader I don't need yet.

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RE: [Flashcoders] GIS data and Flash

2005-10-27 Thread Tor.Kristensen
Hi Weyert,

You could take a look at the work Jan Bliki has done at www.bliki.com
Several components/apps there for talking to GIS data from ESRI.

Cheers,
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Re: [Flashcoders] GIS data and Flash

2005-10-27 Thread Campbell Anderson
Your not talking about:

http://wahlers.com.br/claus/blog/flash-player-85-alpha-and-gis/

its in flex 2!

Cheers

Campbell

 Does anyone know some good solutions for showing or reading in GIS data 
 into a Flash movie? I heard that a company will
 announce a GIS webservice for Flex, though. Only I can't find any 
 information on that. If anyone know some good solution, please let me now!
 
 Yours,
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Re: [Flashcoders] GIS data and Flash

2005-10-27 Thread Diego Guidi
look at this: http://www.geoclip.fr/an/p241_galerie1.htm

2005/10/27, Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi Campbell,

 Your not talking about:
 
 http://wahlers.com.br/claus/blog/flash-player-85-alpha-and-gis/
 
 
 Thanks! I thought it was a Flex feature but looks like you need v8.5 for
 it. Not a good solution at the moment :(

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RE: [Flashcoders] GIS data and Flash

2005-10-27 Thread Nick Weekes
That is a very nice application...

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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders]  GIS data and Flash

look at this: http://www.geoclip.fr/an/p241_galerie1.htm

2005/10/27, Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi Campbell,

 Your not talking about:
 
 http://wahlers.com.br/claus/blog/flash-player-85-alpha-and-gis/
 
 
 Thanks! I thought it was a Flex feature but looks like you need v8.5 
 for it. Not a good solution at the moment :(

 Yours,
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[Flashcoders] Bidirectional languages in Flash

2005-10-27 Thread Sebastian Loix
Hello,
I need to include in my multilingual website Arabic content.
Does anyone know how I could solve the bidirectional problems?

Thanks for any help.

seb.


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Re: [Flashcoders] Bidirectional languages in Flash

2005-10-27 Thread Yotam Laufer
There are many sort of work arounds and it really depends what kind of text
you have to display, but it usually doesn't work well.

http://www.quasimondo.com/archives/000217.php



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 Does anyone know how I could solve the bidirectional problems?

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[Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Klasson
 

Hi People.

 

I am using the EventDispatcher, and it works well with dispatching
events and all. But I cant remove them.

 

This is the line in which I add a listener

fntController.addEventListener('onFinished',
Delegate.create(this, fontsLoaded));

 

this is the line to remove it, but it doesn't work:

fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', this)

 

The fntController-instance is available, that I have traced out and so,
so it might be a simple error in the removeEventListener, but I cant see
it.

 

/ martin

 

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RE: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Klasson


I pasted in wrong line at the bottom, should be like this:

// ADD
fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,
fontsLoaded));

// REMOVE DOESN'T WORK
fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,
fontsLoaded));


The problem is that I have used the Delegate in the addEventListener.

If I skip the Delegate on both the add and remove, then it works.
-but then I will have the wrong scope as well in the functions that gets
called ;(

So how do I remove a eventlistener when it has been added with a
delegate?

/ martin


-Original Message-
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Klasson
Sent: den 27 oktober 2005 14:53
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

 

Hi People.

 

I am using the EventDispatcher, and it works well with dispatching
events and all. But I cant remove them.

 

This is the line in which I add a listener

fntController.addEventListener('onFinished',
Delegate.create(this, fontsLoaded));

 

this is the line to remove it, but it doesn't work:

fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', this)

 

The fntController-instance is available, that I have traced out and so,
so it might be a simple error in the removeEventListener, but I cant see
it.

 

/ martin

 

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[Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread knly browne
When would you use Flash as opposed to Flex2.0 when developing a web-site

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Robert A. Colvin
Flex is for rapid app development using existing components.

Flash will be needed to create the components/GUI etc...

So I would say that flash is to Flex as Photoshop/fireworks is to
Dreamweaver... (but a lot more complex)

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When would you use Flash as opposed to Flex2.0 when developing a
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Re: [Flashcoders] When migrate to Flash 8?

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Britton
I'd go ahead and upgrade now.

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Re: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

2005-10-27 Thread Helen Triolo
You have to store a reference to the delegate to be able to remove it.  
A modification of a post by Till S:


function clearListeners():Void {
  fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', fdelegate);
}
var fdelegate = Delegate.create(this, fontsLoaded);
fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', fdelegate);

cleanListeners();

Helen


Martin Klasson wrote:


I pasted in wrong line at the bottom, should be like this:

// ADD
fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,
fontsLoaded));

// REMOVE DOESN'T WORK
fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,
fontsLoaded));


The problem is that I have used the Delegate in the addEventListener.

If I skip the Delegate on both the add and remove, then it works.
-but then I will have the wrong scope as well in the functions that gets
called ;(

So how do I remove a eventlistener when it has been added with a
delegate?

/ martin
 



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Re: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

2005-10-27 Thread Ian Thomas
The trouble is that Delegate.create _creates a new Function object_ - so the
Delegate object in your removeEventListener call is actually a different
object from in your addEventListener call.

To get around this, simply store the delegate - e.g.:

var myDelegate:Function=Delegate.create(this,fontsLoaded);

// ADD
fntController.addEventListener('onFinished',myDelegate);

// REMOVE
fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished',myDelegate);

On 10/27/05, Martin Klasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 I pasted in wrong line at the bottom, should be like this:

 // ADD
 fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,
 fontsLoaded));

 // REMOVE DOESN'T WORK
 fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,
 fontsLoaded));


 The problem is that I have used the Delegate in the addEventListener.

 If I skip the Delegate on both the add and remove, then it works.
 -but then I will have the wrong scope as well in the functions that gets
 called ;(

 So how do I remove a eventlistener when it has been added with a
 delegate?

 / martin

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RE: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Klasson

I just read about it on another site.
Seems to be the only solution, to store it in a variable.
-that is a little to bad really, but I guess I have to live with that.

Thanks for your answers.


-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

You have to store a reference to the delegate to be able to remove it.  
A modification of a post by Till S:

function clearListeners():Void {
   fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', fdelegate);
}
var fdelegate = Delegate.create(this, fontsLoaded);
fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', fdelegate);

cleanListeners();

Helen


Martin Klasson wrote:

I pasted in wrong line at the bottom, should be like this:

// ADD
fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,
fontsLoaded));

// REMOVE DOESN'T WORK
fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,
fontsLoaded));


The problem is that I have used the Delegate in the addEventListener.

If I skip the Delegate on both the add and remove, then it works.
-but then I will have the wrong scope as well in the functions that
gets
called ;(

So how do I remove a eventlistener when it has been added with a
delegate?

/ martin
  


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[Flashcoders] Tweening broken in Flash 8

2005-10-27 Thread Danny Kodicek
Hi - anyone able to suggest why a shape tween which was working fine in all 
Flash versions before is now broken when I bring the movie into Flash 8? 
I've now got a bunch of keyframes with empty frames in between. I've tried 
various things to get the data back - deleting the frames, deleting the data 
from the frames, etc - but nothing seems to work. Any suggestions?


Thanks
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RE: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

2005-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Williams
Perhaps? :

var fontsLoaded_delegate:Function = Delegate.create(this,
fontsLoaded);

fntController.addEventListener ('onFinished', fontsLoaded_delegate);

fntController.removeEventListener ('onFinished', fontsLoaded_delegate);

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I pasted in wrong line at the bottom, should be like this:

// ADD
fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,
fontsLoaded));

// REMOVE DOESN'T WORK
fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,
fontsLoaded));


The problem is that I have used the Delegate in the addEventListener.

If I skip the Delegate on both the add and remove, then it works.
-but then I will have the wrong scope as well in the functions that gets
called ;(

So how do I remove a eventlistener when it has been added with a
delegate?

/ martin


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin
Klasson
Sent: den 27 oktober 2005 14:53
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Subject: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

 

Hi People.

 

I am using the EventDispatcher, and it works well with dispatching
events and all. But I cant remove them.

 

This is the line in which I add a listener

fntController.addEventListener('onFinished',
Delegate.create(this, fontsLoaded));

 

this is the line to remove it, but it doesn't work:

fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', this)

 

The fntController-instance is available, that I have traced out and so,
so it might be a simple error in the removeEventListener, but I cant see
it.

 

/ martin

 

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Re: [Flashcoders] Job Offer :: employee search

2005-10-27 Thread Judah Frangipane
The positions we have open are for experienced flash developers and 
software engineers. These are on-site positions. What we are looking for 
is a:


Flash Developer / Software Engineer

Required Skills:
Computer Science Degree or appropriate experience
OOP

Desired Skills:
Actionscript 2.0
Server side scripting languages (ASP.NET, PHP, ASP, CF, etc.)
Flash Remoting ASP.NET
Flash Remoting AMFPHP
SQL Server, mySQL
XML
C#
Flex
Javascript
RegExp
Fluent in English

When contacting us please include resume and portfolio (with links). You 
need to be able to work on-site in Cedar Falls, Iowa.  Pay scale is 
based on portfolio and experience from $33k to $60k. Please email me for 
further details.


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Britton
That makes sense Robert.

In the same line of thinking, as the Flex stuff evolves, I see the Flash IDE
turning into a sort of Photoshop for Flash where graphical assets are
designed/maintained, and FlexBuilder 2 (eclipse) becoming the programming
environment. So FlexBuilder 2 will be for development, period, rapid or
otherwise, and Flash or the Flash IDE will be a designer's tool. Both
sit on top of the Flash Platform and are the foundation for implementing the
technology.

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Re: [Flashcoders] cancel loading process

2005-10-27 Thread John Grden
In flash, you can cancel/delete but the browser will still do the download
unfortunately

On 10/27/05, Ian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I seem to recall someone on this list suggesting that if you call
 loadMovie(null) on an already loading clip, it actually cancels the load.

 Of course, I may have been dreaming... I haven't actually tried it!

 HTH,
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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Merrill, Jason
So I would say that flash is to Flex as Photoshop/fireworks is to
Dreamweaver... (but a lot more complex 

I don't think that analogy really works.  Having run through a Flex
project recently (though I still have a lot to learn in Flex), I
actually think Flash is more complex than Flexbuilder when you look at
the overall product.  That does NOT mean the Flash 8 IDE is necessarily
more powerful - Flexbuilder 2 uses Actionscript 3 and can create Movie
Clips from code etc. as well as build Web forms and reports -
Flexbuilder 2 is extremely powerful, but in my opinion, somewhat easier
to code in with mxml - kinda the whole point of mxml.  Plus, Photoshop
produces graphics.  Dreamweaver assembles sites with graphics, code,
text, web services, etc.  Two different products.  Both Flash and import
Flex the same types of media and both produce .swf files in the end.
Anyway...

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[Flashcoders] Entrepreneur seeks tech partner for startup

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Lanza
[Note: I'll consider contract work if I can't find the ideal  
partner.  Of course, if you
do well in a contract role, I'm gonna twist your arm to make it  
permanent...]


The Opportunity
--
- To create a new web medium of Video Markup
- Technologies:
   - client:  Flash (FLV, Flash Player); HTML; Javascript
   - server:  PHP/MySQL/Unix (preferred, but not mandatory); Flash  
Media Server
- Status: Version 1 is spec'ed, ready for development, biz plan in  
process


You
-
- A superstar programmer / architect / engineering manager
- Passionate about video on the web
- Deep experience working w/ Flash and Web applications
   - Flash client design/implementation
   - Server side design/implementation (PHP/Java/Perl/Ruby/etc. to  
SQL database)

- Design skills a plus (but not mandatory)
- Extremely honest with highest level of integrity
- Hard working, extremely smart and responsible
- Great at delivering web-based products and operating them
- Whatever it takes attitude (rather than it's not my job attitude)
- Ready to dive into a great startup opportunity
- Great network of technical people to hire
- Fun to work with (life's too short to work with assholes or dweebs...)

Me (Mike Lanza)
--
- Experienced, successful entrepreneur (4 startups, batting .500 w/
   one home run and one single, currently on a 2-hit streak)
- Most recent startups in online finance
- Producer of family documentary videos
- A business guy, but one who loves to dive into technology
- Stanford MBA ('90)
- Great at strategy, relationships, sales
- Whatever it takes attitude (rather than it's not my job attitude)
- San Francisco-based, but *very* open to locating in Palo Alto
- Extremely honest with high level of integrity
- Hard-working, smart (?), responsible
- Ready to dive in
- Great network of people to hire
- Fun to work with

Compensation: stock for a partner, $$$ for contract
work

If you're interested, please send me an email.
Thanks!

-
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www.lanza.net
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[Flashcoders] what is the major documentation-style used for within as2?

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Klasson

It looks like there is plenty of alternatives on how to write
documentation.
Javadoc, js-doc, asDoc, naturaldocs

Which is the best one to use?

http://www.as2doc.com
that is a site which gives me the gd feelings, since it also
contains how-to's and walk-troughs.

What do you have to say?


/ martin
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[Flashcoders] Extending WebService Class

2005-10-27 Thread Doug Coning
I'm trying to create a class that extends the WebService Class:

class CentralService extends mx.services.WebService {
}

Everytime I try to instantiate the class like such:

var cs:CentralService = new CentralService();

I get the following error:

Error opening URL file:///C|/flash/undefined

Any suggestion on what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,

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Software Developer
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[Flashcoders] am i approaching this problem correctly?

2005-10-27 Thread Matt Ganz
hi.

i want to ask people's opinions about an issue and see if my solution
is on target.

i have a navigation.swf that sits in a frame on an html page. on click
of nav button, a getURL loads another swf into the frame below. ugly,
i know. but i don't have the option to recode the piece at this point.

what i need to do is track inactivity. if there's been no action for
90 seconds (in both swf files), i'm going to getURL() and send them to
a screensaver page.

i have code that tracks inactivity without a problem but i'm assuming
i'll need to compare it to see if there's been inactivity in both the
navigation.swf and the swf currently being viewed. if both have been
inactive for 90 seconds, then getURL. so i'm going to need to use
local connection.

am i thinking about this correctly so far or is there a more elegant
solution? here's my code so far.

// FOR NAVIGATION.SWF *
*
// init
var intervalID;
var status:String = active;
var timeOut = 1;

// local connection
var navigation_lc:LocalConnection = new LocalConnection();
navigation_lc.connect( navigation_lc );

navigation_lc.loadScreensaver = function( obj:String )
{
if( status == inactive  obj == inactive  )
{
trace( load the screensaver );
}
else
{
// what do we do?
}
};

// callTimeOut()
function callTimeOut ()
{
clearInterval( intervalID );
   status = inactive;
}

mouseListener = new Object();
mouseListener.onMouseMove = function()
{
clearInterval( intervalID );
intervalID = setInterval( _root, callTimeOut, timeOut );
};
Mouse.addListener( mouseListener );

// FOR MAIN.SWF **
*
// init
var intervalID;
var timeOut = 1;

// local connection
var main_lc:LocalConnection = new LocalConnection();
main_lc.connect( main_lc );

// callTimeOut()
function callTimeOut ()
{
main_lc.send( navigation_lc, loadScreensaver, inactive );
}

mouseListener = new Object();
mouseListener.onMouseMove = function()
{
clearInterval( intervalID );
intervalID = setInterval( _root, callTimeOut, timeOut );
};
Mouse.addListener( mouseListener );

thanks in advance for any helpful tips and suggestions. -- matt.
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Re: [Flashcoders] what is the major documentation-style used for within as2?

2005-10-27 Thread Weyert de Boer

Ron Wheeler wrote:

I would stick with Javadoc and Doxygen since this has the backing of 
the Java community as well and is going to be supported at a better 
level that an Actionscript only scheme.


Normally I use the Javadoc convention in everywhere language which 
support multi-line comments. :-)




Looking down the road a bit, it also can be extended to include 
automatic code generation when asdt and UML modelling come together 
under Eclipse.


Always nice to have ;-)

Yours,
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Jon Bradley

On Oct 27, 2005, at 10:14 AM, Mike Britton wrote:


That makes sense Robert.

In the same line of thinking, as the Flex stuff evolves, I see the 
Flash IDE

turning into a sort of Photoshop for Flash where graphical assets are
designed/maintained, and FlexBuilder 2 (eclipse) becoming the 
programming

environment.


I don't think that's likely to happen at all. I suspect a vast majority 
of users will continue to use the IDE.


This is just a prediction on my part: the number of people who use the 
IDE or a combination of the IDE and a text editor will probably 
outnumber the FlexBuilder/Eclipse platform users 3:1, or even much more 
(10:1?).



So FlexBuilder 2 will be for development, period, rapid or
otherwise, and Flash or the Flash IDE will be a designer's tool. 
Both
sit on top of the Flash Platform and are the foundation for 
implementing the

technology.


Still doubt that a lot. FlexBuilder 2 will probably used for 
development of _enterprise_applications_. I don't think Macromedia will 
be able to push it's use too much further outside those limits.


Don't get me wrong, I love the metaphor and what it could possibly do 
for my Flash development. But, the random project that comes along 
which could benefit from that environment doesn't nearly justify the 
resources and time I'd need to devote to really knowing the platform.


In the Flash community, we've got designers, designer/developers 
(design with some programming) and serious developers (strictly 
programming). I'd say the former two in that list far outnumber the 
latter.


Jon

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RE: [Flashcoders] Local machine data manipulation

2005-10-27 Thread Nick Weekes
I guessed that was the case.  The only browser alternative then is to build
a .NET control and host in an aspx page (messy as each client needs the .net
framework runtime) but that should be quite common amongst the users I will
be dealing with. 

Thanks for the pointers...

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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Local machine data manipulation

Director can utilize setPref/getPref; a browser safe way of reading and
writing to text files.  However, you have no control over where these text
files are, and cannot easily get to them (buried in some weird documents and
settings area).

In all cases, you must be in an exe (Director, mProjector, etc.), no
browser.


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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:45 AM
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Local machine data manipulation


Thanks for the comments Jesse.  One question on Director though (before
going waaay OT), is it possible to perform local file write operations while
still in the browser, or do these have to be projector files, i.e.
standalone executables?

Thanks,

Nick

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Flash cannot write to the local file system; it can read.

To write, you'll need a 3rd party projector (mProjector, SWFStudio, Zinc,
Screenweaver [open source]), or Macromedia Director.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: [Flashcoders] Local machine data manipulation


Hi all,

Im trying to get my head around the capabilities of Flash/Flex for the
following simple scenario:

1) Load a text file (csv/txt etc) from the local file system into a flash
object
2) Convert this object into properly formatted xml
3) Save to local file system

On PC this sort of thing is traditionally done using a windows application,
but I would like to know how much of this I can achieve in a flash
environment.  I have a .NET server/SQL server too,  but Im hoping this can
all be done client-side so I don't have to upload the data and then
re-download it.

Any thoughts/ideas appreciated.

Cheers,

Nick
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Re: [Flashcoders] Drawing/painting applicatin examples ...

2005-10-27 Thread JesterXL
http://www.bit-101.com/sketch3d/

http://www.senocular.com/pub/flash/8/index.php?f=eraseandredraw

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Subject: [Flashcoders] Drawing/painting applicatin examples ...


I'm looking for some good examples of drawing/painting examples executed
in flash. I've seen a number of basic ones that allow me to sketch a
line drawing, but I'm looking for more extensive functionality, such as
fill color, and the ability to select and move elements of a drawing
around the canvas.

Anyone know of some good examples ?

Thanks in advance

Pete 


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Spike
FWIW,

Quite a few people I know have studiously avoided Flash development for no
other reason than that they have found it a very frustrating experience.
That was mostly down to a combination of the development experience when
using the Flash authoring tool and the fact that ActionScript programming
can sometimes seem like a bit of a black art if you come to it from other
languages.

Using MTASC instead of Flash authoring improved this a bit, but with the
increased power and expressiveness of ActionScript 3, they are now starting
to see Flash as a real option for business app development.

When compared to the size of the existing flash development community, I'm
not sure how big that group is, from what I've seen it could be quite
significant.

Spike

On 10/27/05, Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Oct 27, 2005, at 10:14 AM, Mike Britton wrote:

  That makes sense Robert.
 
  In the same line of thinking, as the Flex stuff evolves, I see the
  Flash IDE
  turning into a sort of Photoshop for Flash where graphical assets are
  designed/maintained, and FlexBuilder 2 (eclipse) becoming the
  programming
  environment.

 I don't think that's likely to happen at all. I suspect a vast majority
 of users will continue to use the IDE.

 This is just a prediction on my part: the number of people who use the
 IDE or a combination of the IDE and a text editor will probably
 outnumber the FlexBuilder/Eclipse platform users 3:1, or even much more
 (10:1?).

  So FlexBuilder 2 will be for development, period, rapid or
  otherwise, and Flash or the Flash IDE will be a designer's tool.
  Both
  sit on top of the Flash Platform and are the foundation for
  implementing the
  technology.

 Still doubt that a lot. FlexBuilder 2 will probably used for
 development of _enterprise_applications_. I don't think Macromedia will
 be able to push it's use too much further outside those limits.

 Don't get me wrong, I love the metaphor and what it could possibly do
 for my Flash development. But, the random project that comes along
 which could benefit from that environment doesn't nearly justify the
 resources and time I'd need to devote to really knowing the platform.

 In the Flash community, we've got designers, designer/developers
 (design with some programming) and serious developers (strictly
 programming). I'd say the former two in that list far outnumber the
 latter.

 Jon

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Michael Bedar
Personally I have never been tempted to work in Eclipse - I like the  
IDE and work well in it.. but I have to admit FlexBuilder2 is  
tempting me a bit. In most of my projects these days there is no need  
for an FLA, so I will definitely be learning Flex enough to at least  
make an educated decision between the two environments... or to use both





On Oct 27, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Jon Bradley wrote:


On Oct 27, 2005, at 10:14 AM, Mike Britton wrote:



That makes sense Robert.

In the same line of thinking, as the Flex stuff evolves, I see the  
Flash IDE
turning into a sort of Photoshop for Flash where graphical  
assets are
designed/maintained, and FlexBuilder 2 (eclipse) becoming the  
programming

environment.



I don't think that's likely to happen at all. I suspect a vast  
majority of users will continue to use the IDE.


This is just a prediction on my part: the number of people who use  
the IDE or a combination of the IDE and a text editor will probably  
outnumber the FlexBuilder/Eclipse platform users 3:1, or even much  
more (10:1?).




So FlexBuilder 2 will be for development, period, rapid or
otherwise, and Flash or the Flash IDE will be a designer's  
tool. Both
sit on top of the Flash Platform and are the foundation for  
implementing the

technology.



Still doubt that a lot. FlexBuilder 2 will probably used for  
development of _enterprise_applications_. I don't think Macromedia  
will be able to push it's use too much further outside those limits.


Don't get me wrong, I love the metaphor and what it could possibly  
do for my Flash development. But, the random project that comes  
along which could benefit from that environment doesn't nearly  
justify the resources and time I'd need to devote to really knowing  
the platform.


In the Flash community, we've got designers, designer/developers  
(design with some programming) and serious developers (strictly  
programming). I'd say the former two in that list far outnumber the  
latter.


Jon

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Spike
It's probably worth pointing out that you can create an ActionScript 3
project in Flex Builder that never goes anywhere near the Flex Framework.

I have quite a few of those on my machine for a number of things that I
would previously done in the Flash authoring tool.

I have spent a good portion of the last 2 years writing plugins for Eclipse
though, so it is a pretty natural way for me to work.

Spike

On 10/27/05, Michael Bedar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Personally I have never been tempted to work in Eclipse - I like the
 IDE and work well in it.. but I have to admit FlexBuilder2 is
 tempting me a bit. In most of my projects these days there is no need
 for an FLA, so I will definitely be learning Flex enough to at least
 make an educated decision between the two environments... or to use both




 On Oct 27, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Jon Bradley wrote:

  On Oct 27, 2005, at 10:14 AM, Mike Britton wrote:
 
 
  That makes sense Robert.
 
  In the same line of thinking, as the Flex stuff evolves, I see the
  Flash IDE
  turning into a sort of Photoshop for Flash where graphical
  assets are
  designed/maintained, and FlexBuilder 2 (eclipse) becoming the
  programming
  environment.
 
 
  I don't think that's likely to happen at all. I suspect a vast
  majority of users will continue to use the IDE.
 
  This is just a prediction on my part: the number of people who use
  the IDE or a combination of the IDE and a text editor will probably
  outnumber the FlexBuilder/Eclipse platform users 3:1, or even much
  more (10:1?).
 
 
  So FlexBuilder 2 will be for development, period, rapid or
  otherwise, and Flash or the Flash IDE will be a designer's
  tool. Both
  sit on top of the Flash Platform and are the foundation for
  implementing the
  technology.
 
 
  Still doubt that a lot. FlexBuilder 2 will probably used for
  development of _enterprise_applications_. I don't think Macromedia
  will be able to push it's use too much further outside those limits.
 
  Don't get me wrong, I love the metaphor and what it could possibly
  do for my Flash development. But, the random project that comes
  along which could benefit from that environment doesn't nearly
  justify the resources and time I'd need to devote to really knowing
  the platform.
 
  In the Flash community, we've got designers, designer/developers
  (design with some programming) and serious developers (strictly
  programming). I'd say the former two in that list far outnumber the
  latter.
 
  Jon
 
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Britton
 you can create an ActionScript 3 project in Flex Builder that never goes
anywhere near the Flex Framework.

That's the reason I was soothsaying about FlexBuilder 2 becoming the defacto
development environment and the Flash IDE evolving into a tool for design.
Eclipse will eclipse the Flash IDE (rim shot).

 I have spent a good portion of the last 2 years writing plugins for
Eclipse

I wonder if one could be written to manage the Library. Then I'd never have
to open the Flash IDE.


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread JesterXL
Admittingly, something needs to be done.  Hopefully either Blaze (Flash 9) 
can be made to have integration extensions with FlexBuilder2, made to be 
basically a glorified library asset manager, or somethihng.

The current alternatives really suck.  A Singleton classe that holds all 
linkageID's, an images folder that contains both production graphics and 
source graphics... while I love having all of this open and accessible 
instead of buried deep in a binary FLA, at least Flash was damn good at 
managing it.

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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:42 PM
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 you can create an ActionScript 3 project in Flex Builder that never goes
anywhere near the Flex Framework.

That's the reason I was soothsaying about FlexBuilder 2 becoming the defacto
development environment and the Flash IDE evolving into a tool for design.
Eclipse will eclipse the Flash IDE (rim shot).

 I have spent a good portion of the last 2 years writing plugins for
Eclipse

I wonder if one could be written to manage the Library. Then I'd never have
to open the Flash IDE.


Mike
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RE: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

2005-10-27 Thread Josh Tynjala
You could try my EventManager class:

 

http://lab.zeusdesign.net/?p=1

 

You won't have to use Delegate at all. There's an argument for a specific
function to call for the listener you are adding. It doesn't have all the
same functionality as EventDispatcher yet, so it might not be right for you,
but I've switched to it in my projects without a hitch.

 

Josh Tynjala

Zeus Design

 

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:39:17 +0200

From: Martin Klasson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com

Message-ID:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 

 

I just read about it on another site.

Seems to be the only solution, to store it in a variable.

-that is a little to bad really, but I guess I have to live with that.

 

Thanks for your answers.

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen

Triolo

Sent: den 27 oktober 2005 15:20

To: Flashcoders mailing list

Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] removeEventListener not working?

 

You have to store a reference to the delegate to be able to remove it.  

A modification of a post by Till S:

 

function clearListeners():Void {

   fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', fdelegate);

}

var fdelegate = Delegate.create(this, fontsLoaded);

fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', fdelegate);

 

cleanListeners();

 

Helen

 

 

Martin Klasson wrote:

 

I pasted in wrong line at the bottom, should be like this:

 

// ADD

fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,

fontsLoaded));

 

// REMOVE DOESN'T WORK

fntController.removeEventListener('onFinished', Delegate.create(this,

fontsLoaded));

 

 

The problem is that I have used the Delegate in the addEventListener.

 

If I skip the Delegate on both the add and remove, then it works.

-but then I will have the wrong scope as well in the functions that

gets

called ;(

 

So how do I remove a eventlistener when it has been added with a

delegate?

 

/ martin

  

 

 

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Britton
Agreed. Quite selfishly, I'd like the following to happen: Blaze joins the
Adobe graphics suite of tools and integrates with them in all the obvious
ways (video, vector graphics, animation timeline like After Effects, etc).
Its Library can export all these assets into FlexBuilder. FlexBuilder /
Eclipse imports these assets into its own Library plugin to be used by
programmers.

In this scenario, Flex is to Flash what Photoshop is to Dreamweaver.

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[Flashcoders] Singleton and Listeners is a bad combination

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Klasson
 

Hi Coders.

 

I got a class which I thought would be improved by using the Singleton pattern. 
And it does, until I am adding in the EventDispatcher.

The problem is that my application will using the FontLoader.getInstance() at 
several places in different classes and files.

The problem arises since you can set addEventListeners to the instance.

 

If you in class A has:

fntController = FontLoader.getInstance()

fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', fontsLoaded)

 

And in Class B you have the same as class A, just to state an example of the 
problem...

 

The problem is that since FontLoader.getInstance() returns exactly the same 
instance everytime. So when class B fontsLoaded is called, the fontsLoaded is 
also called in class A.

The problem is that even though you can use removeEventListener, you might not 
want do that since you might still want the fontsLoaded to be working in class 
A another time.

One solution is that you in class A and class B doesnt have the same name for 
the function that is given in the addEventListener -but that doesnt seem like a 
neat solution to depend on that when several developers might write the same.

As well as boring for the EventDispatcher used in the FontLoader to call 
listener-function which might not exist in the different scopes/classes where 
the FontLoader istance is.

 

So I thought the best way would be to do the class ALL static, but the problem 
would still be the same with the listeners.

I can only come up with one solution, and that is to do the usual, that you 
will have to instanciate the class.

 

class A

private var fntController:FontLoader = new FontLoader(); // now I can have 
listeners which just would listen to this instance.

class B

private var fntController:FontLoader = new FontLoader(); // now I can have 
listeners which just would listen to this instance.

 

This will make them able to have listeners that wont interfere with each other. 
Is this the best solution, or do you know of any other solution that you think 
would suit this scenario?

Listeners are incredibly great, and I am thinking on the Key-class, that has 
addListener, which is a static class and should suffer just as well as my 
FontLoader-listeners does.  But somehow it doesnt fit the FontLoader.

What do you think, any general advices?

 

Singleton and EventDispatcher doesnt come in handy when you are having the 
getInstance() at several places in an application, or am I wrong?

Thanks.

/ martin

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Spike
As someone who has never really spent much time in the Flash authoring tool,
could you explain the exact features that would be really useful in a Flex
Builder library plugin?

If it looks feasible I might attempt it.

Spike

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[Flashcoders] Re: am i approaching this problem correctly?

2005-10-27 Thread Matt Ganz
a quick update on this. if i want to check for inactivity in the flash
movie can i not simply use javascript to listen for onMouseMove on
the browser page...and when it doesn't detect it, simply redirect to
another page?

the question being can javascript keep track of mouse movements using
onMouseMove when the focus is on the flash movie?

thanks. -- matt.

On 10/27/05, Matt Ganz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi.

 i want to ask people's opinions about an issue and see if my solution
 is on target.

 i have a navigation.swf that sits in a frame on an html page. on click
 of nav button, a getURL loads another swf into the frame below. ugly,
 i know. but i don't have the option to recode the piece at this point.

 what i need to do is track inactivity. if there's been no action for
 90 seconds (in both swf files), i'm going to getURL() and send them to
 a screensaver page.

 i have code that tracks inactivity without a problem but i'm assuming
 i'll need to compare it to see if there's been inactivity in both the
 navigation.swf and the swf currently being viewed. if both have been
 inactive for 90 seconds, then getURL. so i'm going to need to use
 local connection.

 am i thinking about this correctly so far or is there a more elegant
 solution? here's my code so far.

 // FOR NAVIGATION.SWF *
 *
 // init
 var intervalID;
 var status:String = active;
 var timeOut = 1;

 // local connection
 var navigation_lc:LocalConnection = new LocalConnection();
 navigation_lc.connect( navigation_lc );

 navigation_lc.loadScreensaver = function( obj:String )
 {
 if( status == inactive  obj == inactive  )
 {
 trace( load the screensaver );
 }
 else
 {
 // what do we do?
 }
 };

 // callTimeOut()
 function callTimeOut ()
 {
 clearInterval( intervalID );
status = inactive;
 }

 mouseListener = new Object();
 mouseListener.onMouseMove = function()
 {
 clearInterval( intervalID );
 intervalID = setInterval( _root, callTimeOut, timeOut );
 };
 Mouse.addListener( mouseListener );

 // FOR MAIN.SWF **
 *
 // init
 var intervalID;
 var timeOut = 1;

 // local connection
 var main_lc:LocalConnection = new LocalConnection();
 main_lc.connect( main_lc );

 // callTimeOut()
 function callTimeOut ()
 {
 main_lc.send( navigation_lc, loadScreensaver, inactive );
 }

 mouseListener = new Object();
 mouseListener.onMouseMove = function()
 {
 clearInterval( intervalID );
 intervalID = setInterval( _root, callTimeOut, timeOut );
 };
 Mouse.addListener( mouseListener );

 thanks in advance for any helpful tips and suggestions. -- matt.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Britton
1. Map symbols to classes via some kind of package explorer wizard
2. Import existing Libraries from Flash and maintain symbols' package paths
3. Ability to export so you can import into another FlexBuilder installation

There may be issues with components/EULA.

Those are the biggies. I'm sure others will have more.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Spike
On 10/27/05, Mike Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1. Map symbols to classes via some kind of package explorer wizard


Not totally sure what you mean by that...

My understanding is that everything in AS 3/Flash 8.5 is a class and that
symbols are no more.

Like I said, I don't do much in the flash authoring tool, so I could be way
off there.

2. Import existing Libraries from Flash and maintain symbols' package paths


Existing libraries in what format?

swc, fla, graphics in a directory?

3. Ability to export so you can import into another FlexBuilder installation


I don't think this will be a problem.

There may be issues with components/EULA.


yep, will need to look into that

Those are the biggies. I'm sure others will have more.


Thanks

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Spike
On 10/27/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you right click on an image in Flash' library, you can edit it in
 Fireworks. When done, the image asset in Flash's library is updated.


This should be possible.

If Flex could do this, this is the first step in keeping you in the IDE,
 but bringing in outside resources only when necessarey.

 Even better would be the ability to edit SWC's assets. Since they aren't
 always components, and could just be single classes, or even just asset
 holders, it'd be nice to have Flash launch so you could edit the graphics.
 I know Flash can do this via OLE from Word, so similiar scenario. Edit my
 SWC graphics, and update the SWC.


A SWC is just a zip file with a different file extension, so I'd say this
should also be possible. A little more tricky, but definitely possible

Finally, give me a library panel in Eclipse; same thing as the Project Panel
 currently, only shows thumbnail previews of the images upon rollover.


You mean images in a .swc?

Going further, shows previews of states of different components and you can
 edit the graphics of those states.


Hmmm, that might be a bit more tricky, but could definitely investigate it.

I've told you all of this before, hahah!


You have?

When?

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 As someone who has never really spent much time in the Flash authoring
 tool,
 could you explain the exact features that would be really useful in a Flex
 Builder library plugin?

 If it looks feasible I might attempt it.

 Spike

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Re: [Flashcoders] a little OT (maybe): Flash in Firefox

2005-10-27 Thread Count Schemula
Glad you got it solved. To add to the general subject...

For my host, I have to put .php4 on the php files. Just .php won't work.
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[Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread knly browne
Let me add just another 2 cents to this topic Flash won't move anytime
soon.. i love flash, expecially mx professional 2004.. what i think about
flash and flex.. knowing macromedia they will work together as a team to
bring us Developers and our customers the satisfaction that we seek.. I
don't see flex supporting Flash but flash development does support flex
development..
Flex just builds on the metaphore that the Flash MX line established...
so i would say that the choice of environment is largely associated with the
Situation at hand...
But ask for me a flex lover..i would really only use it if i have an
enterprise level app to build.. and depending on the level i would add some
extra-power to the table with same co-operation with flash..
but for standard web-sites i won't pull out flex..

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread David Mendels
Hi,

It depends on what you are building.  A web site is a pretty broad
category.

For the Flash interactive we use on the home page of Macromedia.com, or
for site like http://www.leoburnett.ca/ or for the streaming video on
the home page of Oprah.com, I would expect a creative team to build it
and use Flash.

For something like the dashboard front ends to SAP analytics, I would
expect their dev team(s) to use Flex.

For something like the accessory customizer on Harley site
(http://www.harley-davidson.com/pr/gm/customizer/launchCustomizer.asp) I
might expect to have a team of people that includes developers using
Flex and a designer using Flash and working closely together.

To over simplify, that fact that you call it a web-site makes me think
Flash.  If you had said web application I might have been more biased
to Flex.  But the lines are blurry and for the richest experiences (rich
in terms of both graphics/motion/media and in terms of data) I think
teams will use Flash Professional and Flex together.

-David



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Re: [Flashcoders] When migrate to Flash 8?

2005-10-27 Thread Judah Frangipane
I'd upgrade to Flash 8 even though you are doing Flash 6 and 7. It has a 
lot of little things that make development quicker. So even though you 
are exporting to Flash 7 you can still take advantage of the new text 
resizing handles (something I use everyday) and other neat little 
changes. Or wait until 8.2 update (if one comes out).


Best,
Judah

Gregory wrote:


Hello flashcoders,

I haven't upgrade to Flash 8 so far. Of course I'll do it soon ;-).
But I have already read some of the manuals (AS reference, components etc)

New features are great, definitely worth buying/using/migrating.
The only question is when?

Example:
My product, Dynamic Blend v.2 Flash MX 2004 component, uses Color class (Flash 
5-7).
Have a look: http://www.gousable.com/flash/dynBlend.html

Now in Flash 8 Color class became deprecated (in favor of the 
flash.geom.ColorTransform class).
No doubt flash.geom.ColorTransform class is better, but it's flash8-only.

Most other deprecated functions are from Flash 4, so I think Color
class will be supported until version 10 (or even 12 ;-).

On the other hand, during the last year approx. 80% of my clients require 
compatibility with
Flash Player 6, and approx 30% - with Flash Player 5!

If possible, I don't want to force user to install something...

I'd like to hear your opinion regarding this.  

 



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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Britton
Not totally sure what you mean by that...

Map symbols to classes via some kind of package explorer wizard: if you
create a movieclip in Flash, it goes into the Flash Library as a symbol.
When you right-click this new symbol in the Library and choose 'properties'
you'll see a wizard in which you can associate the symbol with an
actionscript class. It would be nice to have the same capability in this
hypothetical Library plugin for Eclipse, only you can surf to the class and
choose it instead of having to write 'com.arp.blah.blah...'.

 2. Import existing Libraries from Flash and maintain symbols' package
paths
 Existing libraries in what format?

A designer creates a new Flash file and creates the visual interface. He/she
arranges his native Flash IDE Library, naming symbols and such. A developer
then goes into Eclipse and from this hypothetical plugin can import that
native Flash Library.

There may be issues with components/EULA.
yep, will need to look into that

This is keeping people from sharing source and that is bad. Can't they just
open source the components? Come on! (Bangs fist on keyboard.)


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Re: [Flashcoders] When migrate to Flash 8?

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Britton
 little things that make development quicker

Faster compile time being the most important, IMHO.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Britton
 ok, in what format is the library saved from the Flash IDE?

Right now from what I know it isn't possible to save a Library from the IDE,
but if I were to venture a guess I'd say this would be possible using JSFL.
If so, a resulting XML and SWC would make sense.

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[Flashcoders] Flash Comm Server and Stream Problem

2005-10-27 Thread John Giotta
Hello all,
Perhaps someone can help me figure this problem out.

I have a flash app that streams a flv. Then at the end of the video an
event is triggered.
I'm not using onLastSecond due to technology in current usage.

So instead I'm doing 2 things to evaluate end of video state/event.

First I'm looking for the onMetaData event and evaluating the duration
versus the NetStream playhead, but there are some issues with only
relying on this method. (Bottle-necking can cause the stream to skip
or seek forward and meta data never gets read)

So secondly, I'm looking for 2 events from the server.
NetStream.Buffer.Flush and NetStream.Buffer.Empty. First looking for
Flush then looking for Empty to follow. However, even those 2 events
never get triggered by the server. For the life of me I don't know
why. Perhaps the stream service provider did not update the
software...

Is there any other method of know the stream has ended?
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Spike
Hmm

So a library is imported, and lives only in the Flash authoring tool?

The only way to export library items is to add them to a .fla and export
that as a .swf?

The items must be stored somewhere, so maybe I can dig around and figure
that out.

Spike

On 10/27/05, Mike Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  ok, in what format is the library saved from the Flash IDE?

 Right now from what I know it isn't possible to save a Library from the
 IDE,
 but if I were to venture a guess I'd say this would be possible using
 JSFL.
 If so, a resulting XML and SWC would make sense.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Judah Frangipane
I'm all for making plugins and updates to FB but if this is a huge 
upgrade you might want to submit your feature requests to 
labs.macromedia.com first. They released FB2 as alpha so that the Flash 
community could talk about what needs to be added. I'm not sure how open 
MM will be about this but you can ask them if they have this feature in 
the plan IMHO.


Judah

Spike wrote:


On 10/27/05, Mike Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


Not totally sure what you mean by that...
 


Map symbols to classes via some kind of package explorer wizard: if you
create a movieclip in Flash, it goes into the Flash Library as a symbol.
When you right-click this new symbol in the Library and choose
'properties'
you'll see a wizard in which you can associate the symbol with an
actionscript class. It would be nice to have the same capability in this
hypothetical Library plugin for Eclipse, only you can surf to the class
and
choose it instead of having to write 'com.arp.blah.blah...'.
   





ok, I think I see what you mean now.

I'll wait and see what happens when Flash authoring gets update for AS 3 and
Flash 8.5. My understanding is that everything will be a class and that
symbols won't really exist any more.

I can look at picking apart .swc files and seeing how much of that I can
display. I did that already for the Flex 1.5 framework, so I know quite a
bit about what's going on in there, it's just a question of how much it's
changed since then.

 


2. Import existing Libraries from Flash and maintain symbols' package
paths
   


Existing libraries in what format?
 


A designer creates a new Flash file and creates the visual interface.
He/she
arranges his native Flash IDE Library, naming symbols and such. A
developer
then goes into Eclipse and from this hypothetical plugin can import that
native Flash Library.
   




ok, in what format is the library saved from the Flash IDE?

.fla, .swf or .swc

.swc is by far the easiest to deal with, but that doesn't help if there are
.swf files inside.

It will be possible to run an instance of the flash player inside the
library plugin, so that would allow display of .swf assets.

.fla files would be the trickiest of the lot and I'm inclined to say that
it's probably better not to bother since they need to be turned into either
a .swf or .swc to use them in a project anyhow.

 


There may be issues with components/EULA.
   


yep, will need to look into that
 


This is keeping people from sharing source and that is bad. Can't they
just
open source the components? Come on! (Bangs fist on keyboard.)
   




heheheh

Yeah, dammit!

and while they're at it, I'll have a copy of the flash paper source so I can
sort out this text table problem I'm struggling with.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Spike
I do usually chat to Macromedia about this sort of stuff before I implement
it.

Often they can't give me a definitive answer on whether it will be
implemented or not because it hasn't been decided yet. In that case I
usually hold off until I'm fairly sure they won't.

No point in me doing work they're already on top of, but it does help if I
understand what people might want before asking them if it's likely to
happen.

Spike

On 10/27/05, Judah Frangipane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm all for making plugins and updates to FB but if this is a huge
 upgrade you might want to submit your feature requests to
 labs.macromedia.com http://labs.macromedia.com first. They released FB2
 as alpha so that the Flash
 community could talk about what needs to be added. I'm not sure how open
 MM will be about this but you can ask them if they have this feature in
 the plan IMHO.

 Judah

 Spike wrote:

 On 10/27/05, Mike Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Not totally sure what you mean by that...
 
 
 Map symbols to classes via some kind of package explorer wizard: if you
 create a movieclip in Flash, it goes into the Flash Library as a symbol.
 When you right-click this new symbol in the Library and choose
 'properties'
 you'll see a wizard in which you can associate the symbol with an
 actionscript class. It would be nice to have the same capability in this
 hypothetical Library plugin for Eclipse, only you can surf to the class
 and
 choose it instead of having to write 'com.arp.blah.blah...'.
 
 
 
 
 
 ok, I think I see what you mean now.
 
 I'll wait and see what happens when Flash authoring gets update for AS 3
 and
 Flash 8.5. My understanding is that everything will be a class and that
 symbols won't really exist any more.
 
 I can look at picking apart .swc files and seeing how much of that I can
 display. I did that already for the Flex 1.5 framework, so I know quite a
 bit about what's going on in there, it's just a question of how much it's
 changed since then.
 
 
 
 2. Import existing Libraries from Flash and maintain symbols' package
 paths
 
 
 Existing libraries in what format?
 
 
 A designer creates a new Flash file and creates the visual interface.
 He/she
 arranges his native Flash IDE Library, naming symbols and such. A
 developer
 then goes into Eclipse and from this hypothetical plugin can import that
 native Flash Library.
 
 
 
 
 ok, in what format is the library saved from the Flash IDE?
 
 .fla, .swf or .swc
 
 .swc is by far the easiest to deal with, but that doesn't help if there
 are
 .swf files inside.
 
 It will be possible to run an instance of the flash player inside the
 library plugin, so that would allow display of .swf assets.
 
 .fla files would be the trickiest of the lot and I'm inclined to say that
 it's probably better not to bother since they need to be turned into
 either
 a .swf or .swc to use them in a project anyhow.
 
 
 
 There may be issues with components/EULA.
 
 
 yep, will need to look into that
 
 
 This is keeping people from sharing source and that is bad. Can't they
 just
 open source the components? Come on! (Bangs fist on keyboard.)
 
 
 
 
 heheheh
 
 Yeah, dammit!
 
 and while they're at it, I'll have a copy of the flash paper source so I
 can
 sort out this text table problem I'm struggling with.
 
 Mike
 
 
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Mike Britton
I think a Library plugin is a logical requirement if MM really wants to
improve workflow. Hopefully it will be considered for FB2/8.5 update.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Singleton and Listeners is a bad combination

2005-10-27 Thread Alan Shaw
On 10/27/05, Martin Klasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I got a class which I thought would be improved by using the Singleton
 pattern. And it does, until I am adding in the EventDispatcher.

 The problem is that my application will using the FontLoader.getInstance()
 at several places in different classes and files.

 The problem arises since you can set addEventListeners to the instance.



 If you in class A has:

 fntController = FontLoader.getInstance()

 fntController.addEventListener('onFinished', fontsLoaded)



 And in Class B you have the same as class A, just to state an example of
 the problem...



 The problem is that since FontLoader.getInstance() returns exactly the
 same instance everytime. So when class B fontsLoaded is called, the
 fontsLoaded is also called in class A.


One solution may be to have your fontsLoaded methods
examine the event object that is passed to see if it is the one
they want to respond to. You could probably come up with other
solutions by examining the documentation :)

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RE: [Flashcoders] Local machine data manipulation

2005-10-27 Thread Roy Pardi
At 11:45 AM +0100 10/27/05, Nick Weekes wrote:
Thanks for the comments Jesse.  One question on Director though (before
going waaay OT), is it possible to perform local file write operations while
still in the browser, or do these have to be projector files, i.e.
standalone executables?



Using a Shockwave safe xtra it is possible to access the local drive
while in the browser. One xtra I've used for this is vList:
http://www.updatestage.com/xtras/vlist.html

It writes data out in a custom binary format - but that was fine for my
needs (can save image data, any cast data, etc.). There are other Shockwave
safe xtras that do local disk access.

SetPrefs/GetPrefs works in both the brwoser + projector but is limited to
text only, and to a small amount of data per write (I forget exactly how
much - 10-20k as I recall).


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Jaye Morris
Let me start with, I applaud labs.macromedia.comhttp://labs.macromedia.com.
On the other hand as a matter of practicality Studio 8 has just been
released and it's like the universe has completely lost all perspective of
what an amazing powerhouse Flash 8 is. The 8.5 Flash Player is an Alpha.
That means that while it's ultra-cool and very deep, it's an Alpha as well
and is in the initial stages of development. I think the prepping is okay
but the *real* in production live tool is Flash 8. Macromedia is working to
get people to install FP 8 not 8.5.

In closing I am pro-Flex 2 Builder and have played with it, but if you take
some time and explore Flash 8, you will find that it's an amazing deep well
of power.

On 10/27/05, knly browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When would you use Flash as opposed to Flex2.0 when developing a web-site

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Re: [Flashcoders] Open all Branches of a Tree Component

2005-10-27 Thread Daniel Cascais
Hi Martin,

I've used something like this (can't remeber exactly):



public function setTreeIsOpen(open:Boolean):Void
{
   for(var i:Number = 0; i  tree.length; i++)
   {
  tree.setIsOpen(tree.getTreeNodeAt(i), open, false);
   }
}



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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Jaye Morris
True enough, but there is much coolness to be derived from CFMX 7 (if you're
on that platform) and working through the Flash Forms. There are some
astounding things which can be accomplished. ;-)

On 10/27/05, JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 flash.filters.GlowFilter has a different market than flash.display.Sprite,
 hence Flash Player 8 being targeted at designers and Flash Player 8.5
 targetted at developers.

 - Original Message -
 From: Jaye Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex


 Let me start with, I applaud
 labs.macromedia.com http://labs.macromedia.com
 http://labs.macromedia.com.
 On the other hand as a matter of practicality Studio 8 has just been
 released and it's like the universe has completely lost all perspective of
 what an amazing powerhouse Flash 8 is. The 8.5 Flash Player is an Alpha.
 That means that while it's ultra-cool and very deep, it's an Alpha as well
 and is in the initial stages of development. I think the prepping is okay
 but the *real* in production live tool is Flash 8. Macromedia is working
 to
 get people to install FP 8 not 8.5.

 In closing I am pro-Flex 2 Builder and have played with it, but if you
 take
 some time and explore Flash 8, you will find that it's an amazing deep
 well
 of power.

 On 10/27/05, knly browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  When would you use Flash as opposed to Flex2.0 when developing a
 web-site
 
  Regards.
 
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[Flashcoders] Cannot assign text component from array with href / asfunction

2005-10-27 Thread Miles Thompson


Movie has two text fields, the left one is named txtHeads and is filled 
with lines like this:


a href=asfunction:addStory, _root.arrStorys[6] bBRUCE CLARKE'S SONbr 
/COPS A SECURITIES ACT PLEA/b/abrbr


When BRUCE CLARKE'S SONbr /COPS A SECURITIES ACT PLEA, asfunction 
should be calling addStory,

as follows:

function addStory(stryElement:String){
	// assign contents of passed array element to text control. Dummy names 
are used.

_root.txtNews.text = stryElement;
}

addStory() does not fire when the link is clicked on. When a trace was 
placed in it, nothing showed up in the output window.


Where am I going wrong? I have used the same technique to load external 
files, why not from an array that's global to the entire movie?


Regards - Miles Thompson


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[Flashcoders] Another random number generator

2005-10-27 Thread Jon Bradley
I saw a post on a forum recently about random number generators and the 
ability to create on that could be seeded.


So, I took up the challenge and converted the Mersenne Twister 
algorithm to AS2 (probably one of the best, and fastest, pseudo-random 
number generators out there).


Code is available of course.

Not that any of you need something like this, but ya never know:

http://magicsnacks.com/shiftedpixels/?p=8

One thing I found out is that Flash chokes on a 32-bit and a 53-bit hex 
number. Flash should represent 0x1 as 2^32 or 4294967296. The 
same goes for a 53-bit hex, say 0x20, which is 2^53 or 
9007199254740992.


Anyone know why that is - aside from the fact that the number type is 
32-bit in Flash (AS2)? I'd love to work that out but have a feeling 
that until I get this to AS3, there won't be any chance of that.


cheers,

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[Flashcoders] OT: Macromedia Central - is it a flop?

2005-10-27 Thread Merrill, Jason
Central has been out for a while, and is it now fair to say its just a
big flop?  Just seems like it to me - not much has been added/developed
for it, some bugs in it, etc.  Is MM still trying to push it as a real
platform for the net-connected desktop at the same time they push
Flex/Flash for the actual web?

I've also always wondered what real advantage Central has over the
general web 1.0 and web 2.0?  The apps developed for it that I have seen
could also have been done with Flex/Flash since that can also be a
united environment.   Plus, it's a download, which is a major
disadvantage, when you can get the same use out of Web pages already out
there.  So really, Central seems just like a glorified browser, where
instead of surfing directly to HTML and Flash pages, you have to install
Central applications which connect to internet based data.  Has anyone
else thought the same thing or am I not understanding something about
Central?

Personally, the best thing about Central I have found is certainly not
the Movie Finder (I can do that with MovieFone.com) but a simple little
game addicting someone developed for it called Clicks - but then, that
could also have been in a Web page.  I guess I can play Clicks when not
on the net though, big advantage of Central I guess!

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[Flashcoders] Flexcoders List?

2005-10-27 Thread Corban Baxter
I hate to be the bug but it seems like flash coders list has gone from flash 
questions to a lot of flex. Would anyone else like to see a list dedicated to 
flexcoders to help keep the list clean and emails down?

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Re: [Flashcoders] Cannot assign text component from array with href / asfunction

2005-10-27 Thread Steven Loe
snip 
 a href=asfunction:addStory, _root.arrStorys[6]
 bBRUCE CLARKE'S SONbr 
 /COPS A SECURITIES ACT PLEA/b/abrbr
/snip


I'm no expert on asfunction but, seems to me it's
pretty limited. You could just pass the function name
and the Array index value:

f.e.: a href=asfunction:addStory,6

Then you could read the value of the array at index 6
from within your addStory function. Not exactly what
you wanted but it will work.

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[Flashcoders] New way to resize TextField in IDE ?

2005-10-27 Thread erixtekila

Hi all,



I hope I do a big mistake.
Tell me.

With Flash 2004 and before, one just have to put a textfield on the 
stage and give it values with the property inspector.

It was fast and easy.

With Flash 8 IDE, if I do the same, the font inside are resized ?
Whatever tool I use : Arrow, Free transform or Text, the behavior is 
the same.


Should I say that on a mac ?
Is it an osx only (how could I say) **new** feature ?
Is there any way to give values to a textfield on stage. (Don't answer 
by script please)


Thanks.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Flexcoders List?

2005-10-27 Thread Count Schemula
Just use gmail or something for e-mail lists, then, who cares about the
volume.

I appreciate the noise, it's usually quite informative, which is why I'm
on a mail list anyhow.
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[Flashcoders] im unsubscribing, however you do that

2005-10-27 Thread Anonymous Pepper
 DO NOT SEND ME ANYMORE MESSAGES FROM FLASHCODERS, I SIGNED UP ON ACCIDENT. 
LEAVE ME ALONE, ALL OF YOU!


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RE: [Flashcoders] Flexcoders List?

2005-10-27 Thread Dave Watts
 I hate to be the bug but it seems like flash coders list has 
 gone from flash questions to a lot of flex. Would anyone else 
 like to see a list dedicated to flexcoders to help keep the 
 list clean and emails down?

There is already a Flexcoders list on Yahoo, for those who're interested.
However, Flex and Flash are pretty closely related, so I don't really see it
as off-topic. In addition, the Flex question volume is probably temporary -
MM just made a bunch of Flex announcements, etc.

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Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Macromedia Central - is it a flop?

2005-10-27 Thread Chris Velevitch
In my mind, the big advantage of Central is the occasionally connected
computing aspect, that is the ability to synchronisation data the next
time you are able to reliably connect to a network. If you read the
Flash Platform Overview paper, it indicates that Flex 2 will provider
better support for this data synchronisation and occasionally
connected computing.

What is still unclear that this stage is whether the Central Shell
(the part that allows you to install the application on your system
and keep it the application up-to-date) will provide branding
customisation and the ability to package your own applications for the
enterprise market. I'm certainly keen on that aspect of Central.


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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex

2005-10-27 Thread Julian Suggate
Hi Bjorn.
 Best thing to do would be to download the Flex 2 Alpha and work through the
tutes.
 Jules

 On 10/28/05, Bjorn Schultheiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Flash mixed with Flex

 Sounds like the cocktail of the hour.

 Where can i find more info learning on best techniques of combining the 2?


 On 10/28/05, David Mendels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  It depends on what you are building. A web site is a pretty broad
  category.
 
  For the Flash interactive we use on the home page of 
  Macromedia.comhttp://Macromedia.com
 http://Macromedia.com,
  or
  for site like http://www.leoburnett.ca/ or for the streaming video on
  the home page of Oprah.com http://Oprah.com http://Oprah.com, I
 would expect a creative
  team to build it
  and use Flash.
 
  For something like the dashboard front ends to SAP analytics, I would
  expect their dev team(s) to use Flex.
 
  For something like the accessory customizer on Harley site
  (http://www.harley-davidson.com/pr/gm/customizer/launchCustomizer.asp) I
  might expect to have a team of people that includes developers using
  Flex and a designer using Flash and working closely together.
 
  To over simplify, that fact that you call it a web-site makes me think
  Flash. If you had said web application I might have been more biased
  to Flex. But the lines are blurry and for the richest experiences (rich
  in terms of both graphics/motion/media and in terms of data) I think
  teams will use Flash Professional and Flex together.
 
  -David
 
 
 
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   Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash vs Flex
  
   When would you use Flash as opposed to Flex2.0 when
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Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Macromedia Central - is it a flop?

2005-10-27 Thread Mick Gow
I'd be curious to see how many people actually have central - my general
thoughts are that the only real people that use it are flash developers :) I
don't know of anyone that uses it other than some developers that installed
it once and had a look.

 On 10/28/05, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In my mind, the big advantage of Central is the occasionally connected
 computing aspect, that is the ability to synchronisation data the next
 time you are able to reliably connect to a network. If you read the
 Flash Platform Overview paper, it indicates that Flex 2 will provider
 better support for this data synchronisation and occasionally
 connected computing.

 What is still unclear that this stage is whether the Central Shell
 (the part that allows you to install the application on your system
 and keep it the application up-to-date) will provide branding
 customisation and the ability to package your own applications for the
 enterprise market. I'm certainly keen on that aspect of Central.


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[Flashcoders] Why Flex?

2005-10-27 Thread James O'Reilly

I haven't used Flex yet and I know little more than of it's existance.

I'm pretty accomplished with Flash/AS 2.0 OOP, classes, custom UI 
components, JSFL, etc. and I'm happy using MX 2004 Pro.  I guess I'd 
classify myself as a programmer by desire and a designer by necessity.


My question for the Flex people is this, what does Flex bring to the 
table that I can not already do with 04 Pro (not counting the new AS 3.0)?


I understand Flex is suppose to have something to do with rapid 
application development through the use of it's components.  What's 
wrong with the UI components in Flash?  How do these differ?


I want to dive into Flex which will probably happen in the next week or 
so when my current projects finish.  I want to know what to expect.  Am 
I looking at a new way of developing basically the same swfs?  Will I be 
able to do things I currently can not?


It seems I keep reading that the programmers will gravitate towards Flex 
and the designers towards Flash.


Maybe a couple of the Flex people can help me try and wrap my head 
around the why.  It's all a bit fuzzy to me at the moment.


Lastly, what's the deal with purchasing?  I see Flex Server listed as a 
product but no IDE listed as a buyable product.  Does the IDE come with 
the server?  Is that what Eclipse is?


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Re: [Flashcoders] SWF Decompilers

2005-10-27 Thread John Grden
ASV (ActionScript Viewer) is hands down the best utility for looking through
an SWF - thought I know you're not interested in that really ;)

Nothing is safe in your published swf. Bottom line. The components can be
looked at with decompilers as well. The only option you might have is
obfuscating like you mentioned. And still, that doesn't sound very safe
either. At Max last week, at the security discussion, the presenter brought
up the fact that there are programs that can break the obfuscation as well.
I don't have any program names that do it, but thats what was said.

If you're using FCS, you can possibly have your logic that matters to you on
the server side and protected. Red5 currently has server side services
implemented as well and will offer this type of functionality.

hth,

On 10/27/05, James O'Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Question about protecting my swfs.

 If I use external AS2 classes and compile my swf, will those classes be
 exposed if someone were to decompile my swf with a program like
 Sothink's SWF Decompiler or other similar decompiler? It creates a bunch
 of empty files, one for each class I have and says that ActionScript is
 suppressed in the demo version. I can't tell if they are empty because
 it's the demo or if that's because they were external classes.

 What good programs might people recommend for obfuscating my swfs?

 Is this even neccessary to obfuscate if the code I'm really interested
 in protecting is in external classes rather than inside the FLA? Does
 the same go for compiled clips or custom UI components?

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Re: [Flashcoders] Why Flex?

2005-10-27 Thread Count Schemula
Read the last 2-3 weeks of this list. It's been very well covered already.

On 10/27/05, James O'Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 My question for the Flex people is this, what does Flex bring to the
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RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Macromedia Central - is it a flop?

2005-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Williams
'Apollo' was mentioned at MAX. While the current incantation of Central may
be a flop in the general sense of the word, the overall idea of Flash on the
Desktop [OCC, quick install c] diffidently isn't dead.

Stay tuned...?

-Original Message-
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Jason
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:16 PM
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Subject: [Flashcoders] OT: Macromedia Central - is it a flop?

Central has been out for a while, and is it now fair to say its just a
big flop?  Just seems like it to me - not much has been added/developed
for it, some bugs in it, etc.  Is MM still trying to push it as a real
platform for the net-connected desktop at the same time they push
Flex/Flash for the actual web?

I've also always wondered what real advantage Central has over the
general web 1.0 and web 2.0?  The apps developed for it that I have seen
could also have been done with Flex/Flash since that can also be a
united environment.   Plus, it's a download, which is a major
disadvantage, when you can get the same use out of Web pages already out
there.  So really, Central seems just like a glorified browser, where
instead of surfing directly to HTML and Flash pages, you have to install
Central applications which connect to internet based data.  Has anyone
else thought the same thing or am I not understanding something about
Central?

Personally, the best thing about Central I have found is certainly not
the Movie Finder (I can do that with MovieFone.com) but a simple little
game addicting someone developed for it called Clicks - but then, that
could also have been in a Web page.  I guess I can play Clicks when not
on the net though, big advantage of Central I guess!

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Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Macromedia Central - is it a flop?

2005-10-27 Thread Roy Pardi
At 8:35 PM -0400 10/27/05, Count Schemula wrote:
I don't think normal people have any clue that Central exists.

Macromedia creates a lot of things and then lets them die.

Remember the whole shockwave game player? Or even shockwave? Or Director
MUS?


Seriously! It's kind of amazingly pathological the benign neglect of
technologies and products they pioneered. Can corporations have an
inferiority complex?
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Re: [Flashcoders] are the wheels off the Flash Player wagon?

2005-10-27 Thread Éric Thibault

I have the same configuration as yours and everything is ok!

link: 
http://www.bmwusa.com/BMW2003/Templates/MicroSiteHandlerNew3.aspx?NRMODE=PublishedNRORIGINALURL=%2fnewM5%2ehtmNRNODEGUID=%7b842F8706-6EE2-4A57-B409-4FADB716F1E8%7dNRCACHEHINT=Guestbhcp=1


Maybe they fixed their code?

A+

Count Schemula wrote:


I just went to the BMW website, and got ready to explore the new M5.

Win XP
Firefox 1.0.7
Flash Player 8

The website checks my extended capabilities and blocks my progress and
tells me that I need Flash Player 7 to view the website.

Sigh.

The more things change, the more things seem like 1996.

What's funny, or not so funny, the bigest websites are the worst offenders.

I'm a small developer and I get raked over the coals for the stupidest
things and then I go to a big boy site and get junked up.

I use Express Install to force people to upgrade to FP8, mostly because I
love the way the fonts look, and I am going to use the new video codec. I
get light traffic, and I just up and change my whole website every so often,
so, it's not really something I want to do - develop an FP7 and an FP8
website.

The ubiquitous player will never be realized. :(
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Re: [Flashcoders] New way to resize TextField in IDE ?

2005-10-27 Thread Lanny McNie
You have never been able to numerically resize text in Flash. Flash 7 had
the same behaviour. Many had hoped Flash 8 would *resolve* this issue, but
it didn't happen. It certainly isn't a new issue.


On 10/27/05, erixtekila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,



 I hope I do a big mistake.
 Tell me.

 With Flash 2004 and before, one just have to put a textfield on the
 stage and give it values with the property inspector.
 It was fast and easy.

 With Flash 8 IDE, if I do the same, the font inside are resized ?
 Whatever tool I use : Arrow, Free transform or Text, the behavior is
 the same.

 Should I say that on a mac ?
 Is it an osx only (how could I say) **new** feature ?
 Is there any way to give values to a textfield on stage. (Don't answer
 by script please)

 Thanks.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Open all Branches of a Tree Component

2005-10-27 Thread Martin Schafer
Daniel,

I am looking for something that would allow every branch to be recursively
set to Open. Wouldn't the code below only open the children of root?

Martin :)


On 10/27/05 2:06 PM, Daniel Cascais [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Martin,
 
 I've used something like this (can't remeber exactly):
 
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 public function setTreeIsOpen(open:Boolean):Void
 {
for(var i:Number = 0; i  tree.length; i++)
{
   tree.setIsOpen(tree.getTreeNodeAt(i), open, false);
}
 }
 
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 Hope it helps.
 
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RE: [Flashcoders] OT: Macromedia Central - is it a flop?

2005-10-27 Thread Theodore E Patrick
Central was a developer release. Sometime to innovate you have to put
something out there and learn from it. There were some invaluable lessons
learned from Central:

1. Player performance needed to improve an order of magnitude.
2. FileIO was important.
3. Binary data manipulation was important.
4. Flash Platform needed better tools for application development.

Flash on the desktop is far from dead, actually it is the next beachhead for
the Flash Platform. Central was a learning experience that will allow MM to
make a future product 20X better.

Here is what I would like to see in the future desktop flash player:

1. Hardware acceleration of graphic rendering.
2. Window transparency and shape control.
3. Full OSX and Windows integration, icons, tray, dock.
4. Once click app installation (What Central got right!)
5. APIs for creating child windows as needed.
6. Integration with joysticks and other input devices for games.
7. Developer branding, not MM branding.
8. Performance 10x faster than web players.
9. Resolution scaling similar to http://www.swfxxl.com/
10. Unique ID specific to Desktop User for COLA Licensing

BTW, VB2.0 was a flop. It took another release to get thing right.

My 2 cents,

Ted Patrick 

 Central has been out for a while, and is it now fair to say its just a
 big flop?  Just seems like it to me - not much has been added/developed
 for it, some bugs in it, etc.  Is MM still trying to push it as a real
 platform for the net-connected desktop at the same time they push
 Flex/Flash for the actual web?
 
 I've also always wondered what real advantage Central has over the
 general web 1.0 and web 2.0?  The apps developed for it that I have seen
 could also have been done with Flex/Flash since that can also be a
 united environment.   Plus, it's a download, which is a major
 disadvantage, when you can get the same use out of Web pages already out
 there.  So really, Central seems just like a glorified browser, where
 instead of surfing directly to HTML and Flash pages, you have to install
 Central applications which connect to internet based data.  Has anyone
 else thought the same thing or am I not understanding something about
 Central?
 
 Personally, the best thing about Central I have found is certainly not
 the Movie Finder (I can do that with MovieFone.com) but a simple little
 game addicting someone developed for it called Clicks - but then, that
 could also have been in a Web page.  I guess I can play Clicks when not
 on the net though, big advantage of Central I guess!
 
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RE: [Flashcoders] Why Flex?

2005-10-27 Thread Theodore E Patrick
 My question for the Flex people is this, what does Flex bring to the
 table that I can not already do with 04 Pro (not counting the new AS 3.0)?

Allot!

1. There are tons of details in building apps in Flash 2004 Pro that just
get removed when using Flex. All the small painful lessons that you needed
to know disappear as they are built into the Flex Framework. This allows you
to focus on the actual application you are building.

2. Better components and more of them. Containers, VBox, Repeaters, oh my!

3. Larger applications. Building very large scale applications in Flex is
very feasible where it was hard to do this with Flash 2004 Pro. You can
reuse blocks of MXML in Flex as a component.

4. MXML generates AS Classes. MXML is a code generator, it takes a simple
XML hierarchy and generates an AS class representing your app just before
compilation. As MXML is translated before compilation, tags can provide
embedding of graphics, component generation, and UI generation that is very
exact and detailed. In Flash the hierarchy of an application is hidden from
the developer, where in Flex the hierarchy is directly what is added into
the MXML XML tree. Flex is right aligned.

I felt the same thing about Flex 10 months ago. It took being dropped into a
Flex project to see it for myself. You can build much larger scale
applications in Flex than you can in Flash and in Flex they are 20 times
easier to maintain and change ongoing. Team development is also enhances
with Flex. As apps are mostly ASCII text, Flex is easy to work with in
version control.

Take the leap and learn Flex. It is one of the best things you can do long
term within the Flash Platform. You will loath learning a new toolset at
first but soon you will be writing application faster than before and with
less hassle. Plus as you know Flash, you can extend Flex with it!

I though for a while that Flex was going to automate me out of a job. The
reality is that once you know it, the project scope in Flex is much larger.
I am working on better projects and earning a good bit having learned Flex.

My 2 Cents,

Theodore Patrick  



 

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