[Flashcoders] Library of vector math functions for Flash

[Gerry Beauregard]

Does anyone know of a good, fast, well-documented library of AS3 vector math 
operations?  I'm thinking specifically of a good FFT, as well as more basic 
functions to add, multiply vectors, convert to/from polar coordinates, etc.

In my C++ DSP programming work on Windows, I've often made use of Intel's 
excellent Integrated Performance Primitives (IPP), an extensive library of 
really fast vector math functions:  
http://software.intel.com/en-us/intel-ipp/

I wrote my own AS3 equivalents for the most useful of the IPP functions when 
developing my AS3 time-stretching code (www.audiostretch.com).  I'm considering 
making my small library of IPP-like functions open source... but only if such a 
library doesn't exist already.



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Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Muzak]

no need for the counter in the event handler, Timer has a "repeat count" 


//Timer(delay, repeatCount)
var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000, 1000);

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Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:37 PM
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You can try this:

timer.addEventListener("timer",timedFunction);

var counter:int;

timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
 if(counter <= 1000){
var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;
counter++;
}else{
timer.stop();
}
}
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Sent: Feb 4, 2010 3:14 PM

I've downloaded thanks
on other matters, when you say using a timer, you mean something like  
this ( I've have this from a tutorial, mixing with my idea);


something like this?

import flash.utils.*;

var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000);

timer.addEventListener("timer",TimedFunction);


timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
 var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;

}

the question is , how can I stop this?

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jer Brand wrote:


Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
above task is one of the examples.



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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[John R. Sweeney Jr]

I've been a Mac/Apple guy since the Apple IIe and I love the iPhone (several
of my friends have them) and I've gotten to use it and take for a spin many,
many times. I just got the Droid around Christmas and its easy, intuitive,
well organized and I have to admit, for me I like it and find it easier to
use than the iPhone. I love how I can organize things. It has it
differences, but overall the experience is excellent and using it is a
breeze.

And the display for video, games and surfing IS AMAZING. The HD vid's are
awesome.

Just my 2 cents,
John


on 2/4/10 1:39 PM, Merrill, Jason at jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote:

> Hmm... all the Android phones I have seen, the UI experience was really not
> impressive and not smooth and not intuitive compared to the iPhone OS.  It may
> be as capable, but it's fairly ugly - or at least, I just haven't seen a good
> implementation of it yet.


John R. Sweeney Jr.
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OnDemand Interactive Inc
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Hoffman Estates, IL 60169
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Cellular: 847.651.4469
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[Flashcoders] AS2 SWFs with pageFlipper component

[Alan Neilsen]

I have 12 x AS2 SWFs (build in CS4 Pro) that each use a purchased flipbook 
component called pageFlipper. These SWFs are AS2 because this component doesn't 
work in AS3. The 12 SWF using this component are loaded at various places into 
a main interface that is AS3, also built in CS4 Pro. When I run the interface 
and go to a screen where one of the AS2 SWFs is loaded it works fine, but when 
I go to any of the other screens where another of the AS2 SWFs is loaded, the 
flipbook does not appear. It does not matter which order I try this; whichever 
of the 12 AS2 SWFs that loads first is the only one that works.

In each case the loaded AS2 SWF is removed from the main program with 
loader_clip.removeChild(ldr) when I navigate away from the screen where it was 
loadd. It seems to me that I also need to do something to remove the component 
as well so it will work again when a subsequent SWF using it is loaded.

Can anyone shed any light on why it only works on the first SWF loaded, and 
what I might do to make it work when subsequent SWFs are loaded?

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Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Gustavo Duenas]

I did it, and you know it works, I put an event listener for the  
timer.stop the code is like this:


stop();
import flash.utils.*;
import flash.display.*;



var timer:Timer = new Timer(100, 100);

timer.addEventListener("timer",timedFunction);
var newX:Number = stage.stageWidth;
var newY:Number = stage.stageHeight;

timer.start();
timer.addEventListener(TimerEvent.TIMER_COMPLETE, timerStop);
function timedFunction(e:TimerEvent):void{
var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random() * (stage.stageWidth);
heart.y = Math.random()* (stage.stageHeight);
heart.width=heart.width * Math.random();
heart.height=heart.height  * Math.random();
addChild(heart);

}
function timerStop(e:TimerEvent):void{
timer.stop();
}

now I'm gonna look in google how to make the size of the heart more  
consistent...


now I'm going to be off-the air, going to church.

Cya friends


Gus


On Feb 4, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Jim Lafser wrote:

Add second param when instantiate Timer which indicates how many  
times it should repeat. If don't specify, then defaults to 0 which  
means run forever.

Add an event listener for the Timer.timerComplete event.
I think the listener you've already got should be registering for  
the Timer.timer event instead of "timer".



--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Gustavo Duenas  
 wrote:



From: Gustavo Duenas 
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect
To: "Flash Coders List" 
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 4:14 PM


I've downloaded thanks
on other matters, when you say using a timer, you mean something  
like this ( I've have this from a tutorial, mixing with my idea);


something like this?

import flash.utils.*;

var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000);

timer.addEventListener("timer",TimedFunction);


timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;

}

the question is , how can I stop this?

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jer Brand wrote:


Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
above task is one of the examples.

http://hype.joshuadavis.com/
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Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Jim Lafser]

Add second param when instantiate Timer which indicates how many times it 
should repeat. If don't specify, then defaults to 0 which means run forever.
Add an event listener for the Timer.timerComplete event.
I think the listener you've already got should be registering for 
the Timer.timer event instead of "timer".


--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Gustavo Duenas  wrote:


From: Gustavo Duenas 
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect
To: "Flash Coders List" 
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 4:14 PM


I've downloaded thanks
on other matters, when you say using a timer, you mean something like this ( 
I've have this from a tutorial, mixing with my idea);

something like this?

import flash.utils.*;

var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000);

timer.addEventListener("timer",TimedFunction);


timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;

}

the question is , how can I stop this?

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jer Brand wrote:

> Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
> whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
> above task is one of the examples.
> 
> http://hype.joshuadavis.com/
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RE: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Merrill, Jason]

>> The second param limits the number of times it can fire.

True, both methods will work. However, if you use the second repeatCount
parameter, then you won't know when it's finished so you can remove your
listener unless you also add a listener to listen for the timerComplete
event as well - so you'd have two listeners running instead of one and
have to remove both of those listeners.  Doesn't matter either way IMO,
just be sure you remove the listeners when it's finished if you don't
need it anymore.  


Jason Merrill 

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Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect


var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000, 1000);

The second param limits the number of times it can fire.

Regards,

Keith Reinfeld
Home Page: http://keithreinfeld.home.comcast.net


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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Gustavo
Duenas
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

I've downloaded thanks
on other matters, when you say using a timer, you mean something like  
this ( I've have this from a tutorial, mixing with my idea);

something like this?

import flash.utils.*;

var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000);

timer.addEventListener("timer",TimedFunction);


timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
  var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;

}

the question is , how can I stop this?

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jer Brand wrote:

> Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
> whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
> above task is one of the examples.
>
> http://hype.joshuadavis.com/
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RE: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[David Hunter]

http://pastebin.com/m2b549c17
of course i guess you could put the code inside the makeHeart() function 
straight in the myTimerTrigger() function.
you could write it without the second argument in new Timer() and just restart 
the timer every time it completes and use a variable to increment and check if 
it has reached the desired count. this situation might be better if you need to 
change "on the fly" how many it will make once the timer has started. i'm not 
that up on timers, i tend not to use them much.
hope that solves it for you.
david

> From: gdue...@leftandrightsolutions.com
> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:14:02 -0500
> 
> I've downloaded thanks
> on other matters, when you say using a timer, you mean something like  
> this ( I've have this from a tutorial, mixing with my idea);
> 
> something like this?
> 
> import flash.utils.*;
> 
> var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000);
> 
> timer.addEventListener("timer",TimedFunction);
> 
> 
> timer.start();
> 
> function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
>   var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
> heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
> heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;
> 
> }
> 
> the question is , how can I stop this?
> 
> Gus
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jer Brand wrote:
> 
> > Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
> > whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
> > above task is one of the examples.
> >
> > http://hype.joshuadavis.com/
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Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Gustavo Duenas]

ok, now can repeat them until the end of the times...how can I make  
them to stop at certain number like 200 for example


gus


On Feb 4, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Gustavo Duenas wrote:


I've downloaded thanks
on other matters, when you say using a timer, you mean something  
like this ( I've have this from a tutorial, mixing with my idea);


something like this?

import flash.utils.*;

var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000);

timer.addEventListener("timer",TimedFunction);


timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;

}

the question is , how can I stop this?

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jer Brand wrote:


Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
above task is one of the examples.

http://hype.joshuadavis.com/
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RE: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Keith Reinfeld]

var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000, 1000);

The second param limits the number of times it can fire.

Regards,

Keith Reinfeld
Home Page: http://keithreinfeld.home.comcast.net


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From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com
[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Gustavo
Duenas
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:14 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

I've downloaded thanks
on other matters, when you say using a timer, you mean something like  
this ( I've have this from a tutorial, mixing with my idea);

something like this?

import flash.utils.*;

var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000);

timer.addEventListener("timer",TimedFunction);


timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
  var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;

}

the question is , how can I stop this?

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jer Brand wrote:

> Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
> whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
> above task is one of the examples.
>
> http://hype.joshuadavis.com/
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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Karl DeSaulniers]

+1

On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Boerner, Brian J wrote:

As wireless device maybe but not 3G -- maybe once network gets up  
to 6 or 7G maybe resistance to flash fades for the handheld  
crowd... who can predict?


Adobe is so passive here -- why not a 'FlashPad' for learning? They  
then could think in terms of downloading apps that are closer to  
game installs on a handheld device... Why not? A 'FlashStore' could  
then take on the 'AppStore'...


Just saying...


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What's everyone's take on a possible Google tablet running on  
Android?  Of course, with the Flash Player that Adobe is building  
for Android.  I saw a mockup yesterday, I believe on cnn.com.  Say  
that has Flash on it, why bother with an iPad, except to feel more  
sophisticated or something.


- MM

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Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Nathan Mynarcik]

You can try this:

timer.addEventListener("timer",timedFunction);

var counter:int;

timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
  if(counter <= 1000){
var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;
counter++;
}else{
timer.stop();
}
}
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Sent: Feb 4, 2010 3:14 PM

I've downloaded thanks
on other matters, when you say using a timer, you mean something like  
this ( I've have this from a tutorial, mixing with my idea);

something like this?

import flash.utils.*;

var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000);

timer.addEventListener("timer",TimedFunction);


timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
  var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;

}

the question is , how can I stop this?

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jer Brand wrote:

> Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
> whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
> above task is one of the examples.
>
> http://hype.joshuadavis.com/
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RE: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Merrill, Jason]

>>the question is , how can I stop this?

Just keep a variable that keeps count.  Increment the "countHearts" or
whatever you call it variable every time the timer function runs.  When
you reach 1000, stop the timer, remove the timer listener, set it to
null and you're done.

Jason Merrill 

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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Gustavo
Duenas
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:14 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

I've downloaded thanks
on other matters, when you say using a timer, you mean something like  
this ( I've have this from a tutorial, mixing with my idea);

something like this?

import flash.utils.*;

var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000);

timer.addEventListener("timer",TimedFunction);


timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
  var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;

}

the question is , how can I stop this?

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jer Brand wrote:

> Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
> whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
> above task is one of the examples.
>
> http://hype.joshuadavis.com/
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Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Jim Lafser]

If you want to see the hearts to appear one at a time you need to add them at a 
rate slower than your frame rate (give the stage a chance to update). Might 
want to use setInterval to add the hearts.
 
hth

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From: Nathan Mynarcik 
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect
To: "Flash Coders List" 
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:16 PM


Add each heart to the stage with alpha at 0. Then use a tween engine to fade 
the heart in with a delay. Use your "i" variable as the delay in seconds. 


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Subject: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect
Sent: Feb 4, 2010 2:00 PM

Hi Guys, I'm trying to accomplish this:
so far I a mac named heart which is hence a heart, so I'm trying to  
make a repetition of it along the screen until it reach the number of  
1000
or less, but so far I don't have the effect of its repeating one to  
one, instead I have all of them at the same time, there is a way to do  
this, maybe I'm losing something if anyone of you knows a site where  
that effects is explained for not left brainers as me, let me know.

Gus.

here is my code

stop()

import flash.display.*;



for(var i:Number=0; i<5000; i++){

var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();

heart.width= Math.random()*i *2;
heart.height=Math.random()*i * 2;
heart.x=Math.random()*i *2;
heart.y=Math.random()*i *2;
addChild(heart);
trace(heart);
}

//true is I have a lot of hearts on the screen but I would like those  
to start appearing one to one.



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Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Gustavo Duenas]

I've downloaded thanks
on other matters, when you say using a timer, you mean something like  
this ( I've have this from a tutorial, mixing with my idea);


something like this?

import flash.utils.*;

var timer:Timer = new Timer(5000);

timer.addEventListener("timer",TimedFunction);


timer.start();

function timedFuntion(e:TimerEvent):void{
 var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
heart.x = Math.random * stage.stageWidth;
heart.y = Math.random * stage.stageHeight;

}

the question is , how can I stop this?

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jer Brand wrote:


Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
above task is one of the examples.

http://hype.joshuadavis.com/
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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Dave Watts]

> GEEZ!!  Enough already.  Where's the list moderator when you really need
> him?   Finding the guy is not all that intuitive. :)

Yeah, well, he's kind of a dick anyway.

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RE: [Flashcoders] [beno's eyes only] I Must Be Asking This Question Wrong...

[Keith Reinfeld]

beno wrote: 
> Kieth Reinfeld sent along a humorous version of my fla/as 
> that seems to have the element that I'm looking for... 
 
BTW, the rule is 'i' before 'e' except when it's my first and/or last name. 
 
> Would you mind sending your *.as file along? 
> Sure would like to see what you're doing!
 
I know. 
 
> Glen Pike has kindly sent along some code...  
> Thanks for all your help, Glen! And next time, 
> make me work a little harder! 
 
How can I do any less? 
 
beno, the enclosed code contains comments which you should read as
instructions (i.e. what you need to do.) 
 
NOTE:   beno, in your .fla, you will need to go into the library and edit
mcCloseThumbTop and mcCloseThumbBottom to correct those graphics as they are
way out of position relative to the registration point. Also, turn off
Slice-9 on mcCloseThumbBottom. 
 
I hope I haven't made it too easy for you. 
 
 
Regards,

Keith Reinfeld
Home Page: http://keithreinfeld.home.comcast.net
 

 
Character.as (document class) 
 
package { 
import flash.events.Event; 
import flash.display.MovieClip; 
import flash.utils.Timer; 
import flash.events.TimerEvent; 
import com.greensock.*; 
import com.greensock.easing.*; 
 
public class Character extends MovieClip { 
private var head:HatAndFace; 
private var leftEye:Eyeball; 
private var rightEye:Eyeball; 
private var leftHand:Hand; 
private var myThumbTop:CloseThumbTop; 
private var myThumbBottom:CloseThumbBottom; 
private var _character:MovieClip = new MovieClip(); 
private var _rightHand:MovieClip = new MovieClip(); 
private var _timer:Timer; 
 
public function Character() { 
addEventListener(Event.ADDED_TO_STAGE, init, false,
0, true); 
} 
 
private function init(e:Event):void { 
removeEventListener(Event.ADDED_TO_STAGE, init); 
_character.alpha = 0; 
addChild(_character); 
hatAndFace(); 
eyeball1(); 
eyeball2(); 
myLeftHand(); 
myRightHand(); 
TweenMax.to(_character, 2, {autoAlpha:1,
onComplete:onFadeInFinished}); 
} 
 
private function onFadeInFinished():void { 
// Instantiate the Timer. Tell it to run once. 
// Listen for the Timer event. 
// Start the Timer. 
} 
 
private function hatAndFace():void { 
head = new HatAndFace(); 
head.x = stage.stageWidth / 2; 
head.y = stage.stageHeight / 4; 
// Add head as a child of _character. 
} 
 
private function eyeball1():void { 
leftEye = new Eyeball(); 
leftEye.x = -30; 
leftEye.y = 15; 
// Add leftEye as a child of head. 
} 
 
private function eyeball2():void { 
rightEye = new Eyeball(); 
rightEye.x = 30; 
rightEye.y = 15; 
// Add rightEye as a child of head. 
} 
 
private function myLeftHand():void { 
leftHand = new Hand(); 
leftHand.x = head.x + 480; 
leftHand.y = head.y + 50; 
// Tell leftHand to go to frame one and stop.  
// Add leftHand as a child of _character. 
} 
 
private function myRightHand():void { 
theThumbTop(); 
theThumbBottom(); 
_rightHand.x = 120; 
_rightHand.y = 357; 
// Add _rightHand as a child of _character. 
} 
 
private function theThumbTop():void {  
myThumbTop = new CloseThumbTop(); 
myThumbTop.x = 0; 
myThumbTop.y = 0; 
// Tell myThumbTop to go to frame one and stop. 
// Add myThumbTop as a child of _rightHand. 
} 
 
private function theThumbBottom():void {  
myThumbBottom = new CloseThumbBottom(); 
myThumbBottom.x = 0; 
myThumbBottom.y = 0; 
// Add myThumbBottom as a child of _rightHand. 
} 
 
private function onTime

RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Merrill, Jason]

>> I think it's an important distinction, though. Many people use
>>"intuitive" this way, and many other people take what they said using
>>the actual meaning of the word, leading to significant confusion,
>>products failing or succeeding, etc. It makes a big difference in my
>>own observation.
>>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software

GEEZ!!  Enough already.  Where's the list moderator when you really need
him?   Finding the guy is not all that intuitive. :) 


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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Dave Watts]

> Wow.  I think you're over-thinking things, or at least taking my comments too 
> literally.  :)  You know what I meant.

I think it's an important distinction, though. Many people use
"intuitive" this way, and many other people take what they said using
the actual meaning of the word, leading to significant confusion,
products failing or succeeding, etc. It makes a big difference in my
own observation.

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Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Jer Brand]

Completely un-helpful for your code, but you could also give HYPE a
whirl. Have been having a blast playing with it lately. I think the
above task is one of the examples.

http://hype.joshuadavis.com/
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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[raymondp413]

I just read an article by Jared M. Spool titled "What Makes a Design Seem 
'Intuitive,'" (http://www.uie.com/articles/design_intuitive/).  Thought it 
might help flesh out this discussion about "intuitive" interfaces.

Also, from dictionary.reference.com:
* Intuitive: perceiving by intuition, as a person or the mind.
* Intuition: direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any 
reasoning process; immediate apprehension 
* Explicit: fully and clearly expressed or demonstrated; leaving nothing merely 
implied; unequivocal: explicit instructions; an explicit act of violence; 
explicit language. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/explicit)

Thanks,
Raymond Simmons
Neon Sky Creative Media, Inc.


 "Merrill wrote: 
> Wow.  I think you're over-thinking things, or at least taking my comments too 
> literally.  :)  You know what I meant.
> 
> 
> Jason Merrill 
> 
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> Instructional Technology Design Blog
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com 
> [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Dave Watts
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:06 PM
> To: Flash Coders List
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash
> 
> > In my head, "intuitive" does in fact mean "easier to use" and
> > "approachable".  I haven't seen the Droid's implementation though...
> > maybe it's better.
> 
> But this ease of use doesn't come from intuition, it comes from
> learned experience with other things. If I took a Droid and an iPhone
> to my father-in-law, he'd be equally perplexed by both. And for him to
> zoom in on a browser page, he'd need to know to double-tap on the
> Droid, and pinch-to-zoom on the iPhone. Neither is anything he could
> infer without prior experience. You don't go double-tapping or
> pinching things anywhere else to make them zoom in.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
> 
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> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Jer Brand]

I've been dipping my toes in to both iPhone and Android dev. I think
people find the iPhone interface more "polished" and that translates,
for them, to intuitive -- it's consistency, and it is a good thing
that has made the iPhone very successful.

I want consistency in my DVR, TV, component systems, etc. But for a
hand-held computer -- and that's what I see these as -- I want
control.  We're dumping our iPhone/iPod Touches at home. Wife wanted a
MyTouch and I'm gonna order a Nexus One (once I get up the cash).

Personal preference. Same way some like OS X, some like *nix (and some
are stuck on Windows ;-)

[Stopping my self from going on about how Apple treats their
developers vs how Android or Adobe or Microsoft does, but resisting
the massive OT rant. However, THIS will be one of the things that
sinks them in the end.]

Jer
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Re: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Nathan Mynarcik]

Add each heart to the stage with alpha at 0. Then use a tween engine to fade 
the heart in with a delay. Use your "i" variable as the delay in seconds. 


--Original Message--
From: Gustavo Duenas
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To: Flash Coders List
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Subject: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect
Sent: Feb 4, 2010 2:00 PM

Hi Guys, I'm trying to accomplish this:
so far I a mac named heart which is hence a heart, so I'm trying to  
make a repetition of it along the screen until it reach the number of  
1000
or less, but so far I don't have the effect of its repeating one to  
one, instead I have all of them at the same time, there is a way to do  
this, maybe I'm losing something if anyone of you knows a site where  
that effects is explained for not left brainers as me, let me know.

Gus.

here is my code

stop()

import flash.display.*;



for(var i:Number=0; i<5000; i++){

var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();

heart.width= Math.random()*i *2;
heart.height=Math.random()*i * 2;
heart.x=Math.random()*i *2;
heart.y=Math.random()*i *2;
addChild(heart);
trace(heart);
}

//true is I have a lot of hearts on the screen but I would like those  
to start appearing one to one.



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RE: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[David Hunter]

use a Timer() so everytime it elapses it triggers a function to generate a 
single heart and add it to the display list in a random place and size. 
increment a counter variable every time the function runs and when it gets to 
1000 then get it to cancel your timer.
hope that helps.
david

> From: gdue...@leftandrightsolutions.com
> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:00:26 -0500
> Subject: [Flashcoders] making a repeating effect
> 
> Hi Guys, I'm trying to accomplish this:
> so far I a mac named heart which is hence a heart, so I'm trying to  
> make a repetition of it along the screen until it reach the number of  
> 1000
> or less, but so far I don't have the effect of its repeating one to  
> one, instead I have all of them at the same time, there is a way to do  
> this, maybe I'm losing something if anyone of you knows a site where  
> that effects is explained for not left brainers as me, let me know.
> 
> Gus.
> 
> here is my code
> 
> stop()
> 
> import flash.display.*;
> 
> 
> 
> for(var i:Number=0; i<5000; i++){
> 
> var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();
> 
> heart.width= Math.random()*i *2;
> heart.height=Math.random()*i * 2;
> heart.x=Math.random()*i *2;
> heart.y=Math.random()*i *2;
> addChild(heart);
> trace(heart);
> }
> 
> //true is I have a lot of hearts on the screen but I would like those  
> to start appearing one to one.
> 
> 
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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Merrill, Jason]

Wow.  I think you're over-thinking things, or at least taking my comments too 
literally.  :)  You know what I meant.


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-Original Message-
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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Dave Watts
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

> In my head, "intuitive" does in fact mean "easier to use" and
> "approachable".  I haven't seen the Droid's implementation though...
> maybe it's better.

But this ease of use doesn't come from intuition, it comes from
learned experience with other things. If I took a Droid and an iPhone
to my father-in-law, he'd be equally perplexed by both. And for him to
zoom in on a browser page, he'd need to know to double-tap on the
Droid, and pinch-to-zoom on the iPhone. Neither is anything he could
infer without prior experience. You don't go double-tapping or
pinching things anywhere else to make them zoom in.

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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Dave Watts]

> In my head, "intuitive" does in fact mean "easier to use" and
> "approachable".  I haven't seen the Droid's implementation though...
> maybe it's better.

But this ease of use doesn't come from intuition, it comes from
learned experience with other things. If I took a Droid and an iPhone
to my father-in-law, he'd be equally perplexed by both. And for him to
zoom in on a browser page, he'd need to know to double-tap on the
Droid, and pinch-to-zoom on the iPhone. Neither is anything he could
infer without prior experience. You don't go double-tapping or
pinching things anywhere else to make them zoom in.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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http://training.figleaf.com/

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[Flashcoders] making a repeating effect

[Gustavo Duenas]

Hi Guys, I'm trying to accomplish this:
so far I a mac named heart which is hence a heart, so I'm trying to  
make a repetition of it along the screen until it reach the number of  
1000
or less, but so far I don't have the effect of its repeating one to  
one, instead I have all of them at the same time, there is a way to do  
this, maybe I'm losing something if anyone of you knows a site where  
that effects is explained for not left brainers as me, let me know.


Gus.

here is my code

stop()

import flash.display.*;



for(var i:Number=0; i<5000; i++){

var heart:MovieClip = new Heart();

heart.width= Math.random()*i *2;
heart.height=Math.random()*i * 2;
heart.x=Math.random()*i *2;
heart.y=Math.random()*i *2;
addChild(heart);
trace(heart);
}

//true is I have a lot of hearts on the screen but I would like those  
to start appearing one to one.




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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Boerner, Brian J]

Sorry, it was pointed out to  me that Adobe does have an app store - the 
exchange... maybe it could be managed more like Apple's... seems to me 
something big needs to happen to 'stop the bleeding'

>From where I am I noted that ajax took a major bite out of "Rich Internet 
>Applications" done in Flash simply because there were more developers for it 
>and it made more sense from maintenance perspective.

For every project there is the ideal platform but it does seems to me that 
google, blackberry others are all doing the appStore deal - hopefully flash can 
get in on each and every one even if they don't get in on Apple... maybe then 
they will start to flex some muscle... To me they're starting to look like 
they're hoping for kindness of others vs charting a course



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> I'm frustrated because Apple is dictating in that market and Adobe is 
> passive about it... What do you think about the FlashApp
> Store?

I think that one of the great benefits of Flash is that it lets me add
functionality beyond HTML to HTML/HTTP delivery. I don't need a store
for Flash. And that's really the problem, from Apple's perspective.
The App Store is the big, long-term revenue generator from Apple's
perspective. The iPads, etc, are razors, and the App Store sells razor
blades. Apple doesn't want people getting free razor blades off the
street, so to speak.

> While Lynch is weighing options Apple has done all of this. As a CTO do you 
> think they're that well postioned? Should people
> abandon the Apple SDK for Flash? Where's the case being made that it should 
> be?

Adobe is in the position that they're in. There's not a lot they can
do to force Apple to let Flash on the iPhone OS. It's clear that
there's no technical limitation, as Flash can run on all sorts of
devices. So, Adobe has to bet that they're going to win - that enough
devices will support Flash. And I think that, while it's unfortunate
that Apple probably won't give in to Adobe on this, Apple doesn't have
enough marketshare to make that much of a difference. It's important
to remember this - while lots of people have iPhones, etc, they
certainly don't have market dominance there. And, if enough people
have better experiences on other devices that do support Flash, that
will motivate some people to move from the iPhone to those other
devices. The same also applies to the iPad, which at this point is
really an unknown quantity.

> I really think Flash does have potential to be great in that marketplace just 
> wondering what's holding them up from promoting
> themselves as major players there.

I think that's the release of FP 10.1 across its targeted platforms.
When that happens, I think that'll make a big difference.

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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Merrill, Jason]

>>"(You've really hit one of my pet peeves with "intuitive".)"
>>" equally approachable, and in many ways I find the
>>Android interface easier to use"

In my head, "intuitive" does in fact mean "easier to use" and
"approachable".  I haven't seen the Droid's implementation though...
maybe it's better.  

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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Dave Watts]

> Hmm... all the Android phones I have seen, the UI experience was really not 
> impressive and not smooth and not intuitive
> compared to the iPhone OS.  It may be as capable, but it's fairly ugly - or 
> at least, I just haven't seen a good implementation of it
> yet.

Well, I don't find either interface especially intuitive. Because they
aren't. (You've really hit one of my pet peeves with "intuitive".) But
I do find them equally approachable, and in many ways I find the
Android interface easier to use. I'm using a Droid (running 2.0) so I
will admit that it's a bit different than 1.5/1.6 devices. I'm able to
do more with it in less time than I could using the iPhone. I can
check mail and compose messages easier, synchronization works better,
there's a native Google Voice app, etc, etc. I can click on the
address of a calendar event, and get automatic GPS navigation to that
address. I could go on and on, but you get the point I guess.

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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Merrill, Jason]

Hmm... all the Android phones I have seen, the UI experience was really not 
impressive and not smooth and not intuitive compared to the iPhone OS.  It may 
be as capable, but it's fairly ugly - or at least, I just haven't seen a good 
implementation of it yet.


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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Dave Watts
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:37 PM
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> I'm suspecting something,  maybe adobe and android are planning something,
> maybe one of them, so just let Jobs to fantasize with the world domination,
> true that sooner or later flash will emerge even better.

No suspicion of planning needed! FP 10.1 will soon be available for
Android, and Chrome OS will have no problem running Flash. So all
these new phones and tablets coming out using both of those OSs are
covered.

And Android is sweet. The ONLY competitive advantage Apple has with
the iPhone is the breadth of the App Store. I wouldn't want an iPhone,
but I have an iPod Touch just for that. But I suspect that'll change
over time as well, as developers embrace Android. There's a market for
$0.99 fart apps on the Android as well, I'm sure.

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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Dave Watts]

> I'm suspecting something,  maybe adobe and android are planning something,
> maybe one of them, so just let Jobs to fantasize with the world domination,
> true that sooner or later flash will emerge even better.

No suspicion of planning needed! FP 10.1 will soon be available for
Android, and Chrome OS will have no problem running Flash. So all
these new phones and tablets coming out using both of those OSs are
covered.

And Android is sweet. The ONLY competitive advantage Apple has with
the iPhone is the breadth of the App Store. I wouldn't want an iPhone,
but I have an iPod Touch just for that. But I suspect that'll change
over time as well, as developers embrace Android. There's a market for
$0.99 fart apps on the Android as well, I'm sure.

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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Gustavo Duenas]

I'm suspecting something,  maybe adobe and android are planning  
something, maybe one of them, so just let Jobs to fantasize with the  
world domination, true that sooner or later flash will emerge even  
better.


Gus

On Feb 4, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Boerner, Brian J wrote:

I not saying 3G can't run it -- but that's the impression that  
customers have...


Not get into hardware business but maybe they should partner for  
FlashPad and FlashStore


I'm frustrated because Apple is dictating in that market and Adobe  
is passive about it... What do you think about the FlashApp Store?


While Lynch is weighing options Apple has done all of this. As a CTO  
do you think they're that well postioned? Should people abandon the  
Apple SDK for Flash? Where's the case being made that it should be?


I really think Flash does have potential to be great in that  
marketplace just wondering what's holding them up from promoting  
themselves as major players there.



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] On Behalf Of Dave Watts

Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:29 PM
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As wireless device maybe but not 3G -- maybe once network gets up  
to 6 or 7G maybe resistance to flash fades for the handheld

crowd... who can predict?


Flash will work fine for all the people running Android and Symbian,
and probably WinMo, when FP 10.1 comes out. I suspect that'll be
pretty soon. Flash Player 7 actually worked just fine on my old WinMo
phone. 3G was good enough.

Adobe is so passive here -- why not a 'FlashPad' for learning? They  
then could think in terms of downloading apps that are closer
to game installs on a handheld device... Why not? A 'FlashStore'  
could then take on the 'AppStore'...


Adobe should get into the hardware business? Really? Very soon,
practically anything not iPhone/iPod/iPad will be able to run Flash!

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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Dave Watts]

> I'm frustrated because Apple is dictating in that market and Adobe is 
> passive about it... What do you think about the FlashApp
> Store?

I think that one of the great benefits of Flash is that it lets me add
functionality beyond HTML to HTML/HTTP delivery. I don't need a store
for Flash. And that's really the problem, from Apple's perspective.
The App Store is the big, long-term revenue generator from Apple's
perspective. The iPads, etc, are razors, and the App Store sells razor
blades. Apple doesn't want people getting free razor blades off the
street, so to speak.

> While Lynch is weighing options Apple has done all of this. As a CTO do you 
> think they're that well postioned? Should people
> abandon the Apple SDK for Flash? Where's the case being made that it should 
> be?

Adobe is in the position that they're in. There's not a lot they can
do to force Apple to let Flash on the iPhone OS. It's clear that
there's no technical limitation, as Flash can run on all sorts of
devices. So, Adobe has to bet that they're going to win - that enough
devices will support Flash. And I think that, while it's unfortunate
that Apple probably won't give in to Adobe on this, Apple doesn't have
enough marketshare to make that much of a difference. It's important
to remember this - while lots of people have iPhones, etc, they
certainly don't have market dominance there. And, if enough people
have better experiences on other devices that do support Flash, that
will motivate some people to move from the iPhone to those other
devices. The same also applies to the iPad, which at this point is
really an unknown quantity.

> I really think Flash does have potential to be great in that marketplace just 
> wondering what's holding them up from promoting
> themselves as major players there.

I think that's the release of FP 10.1 across its targeted platforms.
When that happens, I think that'll make a big difference.

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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Boerner, Brian J]

I not saying 3G can't run it -- but that's the impression that customers have...

Not get into hardware business but maybe they should partner for FlashPad and 
FlashStore 

I'm frustrated because Apple is dictating in that market and Adobe is 
passive about it... What do you think about the FlashApp Store? 

While Lynch is weighing options Apple has done all of this. As a CTO do you 
think they're that well postioned? Should people abandon the Apple SDK for 
Flash? Where's the case being made that it should be?

I really think Flash does have potential to be great in that marketplace just 
wondering what's holding them up from promoting themselves as major players 
there.


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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Dave Watts
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:29 PM
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> As wireless device maybe but not 3G -- maybe once network gets up to 6 or 7G 
> maybe resistance to flash fades for the handheld
> crowd... who can predict?

Flash will work fine for all the people running Android and Symbian,
and probably WinMo, when FP 10.1 comes out. I suspect that'll be
pretty soon. Flash Player 7 actually worked just fine on my old WinMo
phone. 3G was good enough.

> Adobe is so passive here -- why not a 'FlashPad' for learning? They then 
> could think in terms of downloading apps that are closer
> to game installs on a handheld device... Why not? A 'FlashStore' could then 
> take on the 'AppStore'...

Adobe should get into the hardware business? Really? Very soon,
practically anything not iPhone/iPod/iPad will be able to run Flash!

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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Dave Watts]

> As wireless device maybe but not 3G -- maybe once network gets up to 6 or 7G 
> maybe resistance to flash fades for the handheld
> crowd... who can predict?

Flash will work fine for all the people running Android and Symbian,
and probably WinMo, when FP 10.1 comes out. I suspect that'll be
pretty soon. Flash Player 7 actually worked just fine on my old WinMo
phone. 3G was good enough.

> Adobe is so passive here -- why not a 'FlashPad' for learning? They then 
> could think in terms of downloading apps that are closer
> to game installs on a handheld device... Why not? A 'FlashStore' could then 
> take on the 'AppStore'...

Adobe should get into the hardware business? Really? Very soon,
practically anything not iPhone/iPod/iPad will be able to run Flash!

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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Boerner, Brian J]

As wireless device maybe but not 3G -- maybe once network gets up to 6 or 7G 
maybe resistance to flash fades for the handheld crowd... who can predict?

Adobe is so passive here -- why not a 'FlashPad' for learning? They then could 
think in terms of downloading apps that are closer to game installs on a 
handheld device... Why not? A 'FlashStore' could then take on the 'AppStore'... 

Just saying...


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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Mendelsohn, 
Michael
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:29 AM
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What's everyone's take on a possible Google tablet running on Android?  Of 
course, with the Flash Player that Adobe is building for Android.  I saw a 
mockup yesterday, I believe on cnn.com.  Say that has Flash on it, why bother 
with an iPad, except to feel more sophisticated or something.

- MM

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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)]

is that the msi built one?

that looked nice

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Mendelsohn, Michael <
michael.mendels...@fmglobal.com> wrote:

> What's everyone's take on a possible Google tablet running on Android?  Of
> course, with the Flash Player that Adobe is building for Android.  I saw a
> mockup yesterday, I believe on cnn.com.  Say that has Flash on it, why
> bother with an iPad, except to feel more sophisticated or something.
>
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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Mattheis, Erik (MIN - WSW)]

Afterwards, Macromedia bribed - er, hired Nielsen as a usability consultant. I 
wonder if Adobe will offer Jobs $1 a year for some important sounding title.

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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Brian Mays
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I'm going to chime in to say this current tide reminds me of the hubbub that
rose up when this article was written:

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20001029.html

The article's title: Flash is 99% bad.
It was published 10 years ago.

We've survived and evolved.

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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Mendelsohn, Michael]

What's everyone's take on a possible Google tablet running on Android?  Of 
course, with the Flash Player that Adobe is building for Android.  I saw a 
mockup yesterday, I believe on cnn.com.  Say that has Flash on it, why bother 
with an iPad, except to feel more sophisticated or something.

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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Gregory Boudreaux]

My statement didn't refer to Jobs controlling the platform.  IMO, he is
doing what he thinks he needs to do to get the Flash player on his
devices.  Adobe will have the Flash Player on every non-Apple device in
the near future... and I think Jobs is positioning his company for some
concessions to get it on his devices as well.  Again this is just my
opinion.

Also the Appstore money, while nice to the bottom line, is peanuts
compared to the money they make on hardware sales.  Jobs wants to sell
mobile devices and a future selling point will be the Flash Player...
IMO.

gregb




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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Andrews
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

Gregory Boudreaux wrote:
> Also Flash is playing a bigger role in corporate eLearning, especially
> after Adobe ended support for Authorware... and all the third party
> development tools that publish .swfs.  In addition to Adobe Connect
with
> its presentations and virtual classroom features.
>
> My personal opinion is that Jobs is trying to push Adobe to fix
whatever
> problems he feels the Flash Player has on the Mac and get it to a
state
> where he feels they can do business.  He is playing this out in the
> public arena so that he can build up some support and maybe make Adobe
> speed things up a bit.  With the emergence of Google in the mobile
> device market, Apple will need to step it up to stay on top the
> mountain... and I think one of those things will be to have the Flash
> Player on Apple mobile devices.  It will be this big announcement and
> everyone will think it is the greatest thing since the iPhone.
>   
It's not technical. App via Appstore = apple income $$$. App via flash 
developer = 0$

Anyway, we can talk all we like Jobs is in control of the platform, not 
Adobe. Adobe has taken the cross-compiling route to leverage "native" 
flash onto the platform.

Paul
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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Merrill, Jason]

>> Also Flash is playing a bigger role in corporate eLearning especially
>> after Adobe ended support for Authorware

Yep - agree there - that's what pays my bills and most of the people I
work with.  Although, we dropped Authorware years ago, and I dropped
around 2001.  I run the Bank of America Flash Platform Developer
Community, a Flash user group, and we meet monthly.  I have about 80
employees in the group.  

>> Apple will need to step it up to stay on top the
>> mountain... and I think one of those things will be to have the Flash
>> Player on Apple mobile devices.  

Yeah, would be nice, but Apple has a history of painting themselves into
a corner and either not caring, or refusing to come out.  I don't think
it will happen, at least not anytime soon.  I agree with Paul, it's all
about the app store and money.  Flash or Silverlight support would take
a big chunk of that away (though I don't think as big of a chunk as
Apple thinks  - iPhone app development is in full swing and it's making
developers money).



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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[Henrik Andersson]

tom rhodes wrote:

mind explaining what it is possible to do? what is the http host header
sniffing type?



My idea is to assign each customer their own server account. They run 
whatever http server application they want. The host header detection is 
done by a separate process on the server that binds to port 80. That 
process in turn proxies the request to the proper port for each customer.
This lets each customer do whatever they feel like to their http server 
application, without causing trouble for anyone else on the server.

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Re: [Flashcoders] XMLList question

[Dave Watts]

> I always use CDATA tags for text in nodes where special characters might
> exist.

I really strongly second this. This has been the cause of more
problems I've seen than I can count. You never know what kind of
characters you might be getting from a database query.

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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Paul Andrews]

Gregory Boudreaux wrote:

Also Flash is playing a bigger role in corporate eLearning, especially
after Adobe ended support for Authorware... and all the third party
development tools that publish .swfs.  In addition to Adobe Connect with
its presentations and virtual classroom features.

My personal opinion is that Jobs is trying to push Adobe to fix whatever
problems he feels the Flash Player has on the Mac and get it to a state
where he feels they can do business.  He is playing this out in the
public arena so that he can build up some support and maybe make Adobe
speed things up a bit.  With the emergence of Google in the mobile
device market, Apple will need to step it up to stay on top the
mountain... and I think one of those things will be to have the Flash
Player on Apple mobile devices.  It will be this big announcement and
everyone will think it is the greatest thing since the iPhone.
  
It's not technical. App via Appstore = apple income $$$. App via flash 
developer = 0$


Anyway, we can talk all we like Jobs is in control of the platform, not 
Adobe. Adobe has taken the cross-compiling route to leverage "native" 
flash onto the platform.


Paul

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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Andrew Murphy]

Yes, you do indeed.

I'm looking forward to AIR 2.0 and the v10.1 plugin which will support
multi-touch and gestures.


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> -Original Message-
> From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com 
> [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf 
> Of Gustavo Duenas
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:12 AM
> To: Flash Coders List
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong but for a touch screen flash based 
> application you will need a monitor with touch screen hardware right?
> 
> 
> gus
> 
> 
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> 
> > Good to know. I guess I will have to try and build what I 
> am thinking 
> > of. lol I'll make it my first Air project. :) Thanks 
> everyone for the 
> > input,
> >
> > Karl
> >
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Andrew Murphy wrote:
> >
> >> I recently coded an AIR app for our reception area touch 
> screen which 
> >> demos one of Delvinia's other productions by loading it 
> into an HTML 
> >> component, that website includes a SWF embedded on the page and it 
> >> runs just fine in the HTML component in AIR.
> >>
> >> Building a touch screen keyboard in AIR that communicates 
> with that 
> >> SWF was a bit of a pain, but the SWF itself just loads and runs 
> >> exactly like it would in any other browser.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andrew Murphy
> >> Interactive Media Developer
> >> amur...@delvinia.com
> >>
> >> Delvinia
> >> 370 King Street West, 5th Floor, Box 4 Toronto Canada M5V 
> 1J9 P (416) 
> >> 364-1455 ext. 232 F (416) 364-9830 W www.delvinia.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> >>> [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of 
> >>> Merrill, Jason
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:58 PM
> >>> To: Flash Coders List
> >>> Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash
> >>>
> > Forgive me if I am unaware of what air actually is, but 
> doesn't it 
> > still have to be installed to work with a browser?
> >>>
> >>> I was mostly kidding, but Adobe AIR does have a web 
> browser control 
> >>> so you can make an app that has web page inside it.
> >>> There are limitations to it of course, like I don't think it 
> >>> supports Flash which is ironic.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jason Merrill
> >>>
> >>> Bank of  America  Global Learning
> >>> Learning & Performance Soluions
> >>>
> >>> Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community  and visit our 
> >>> Instructional Technology Design Blog
> >>> (note: these are for Bank of America employees only)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> >>> [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On 
> Behalf Of Karl 
> >>> DeSaulniers
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:51 PM
> >>> To: Flash Coders List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash
> >>>
> >>> Well yeah, but I mean an app like Safari or FireFox or IE, but it 
> >>> has flash and all its capabilities already in it.
> >>> No need to install flash, because its a flash browser.
> >>>
> >>> Forgive me if I am unaware of what air actually is, but 
> doesn't it 
> >>> still have to be installed to work with a browser?
> >>>
> >>> Karl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote:
> >>>
> >> I say its time for a Flash browser.
> 
>  I thought that was called AIR. :)
> 
> 
>  Jason Merrill
> 
>  Bank of  America  Global Learning
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> 
>  Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community  and visit our 
>  Instructional Technology Design Blog
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com
>  [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On
> >>> Behalf Of Karl
>  DeSaulniers
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:03 PM
>  To: Flash Coders List
>  Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash
> 
>  Hello,
>  I usually sit back and let the experts chum these out, but
> >>> I have to
>  say one thing..
> 
>  I say its time for a Flash browser.
>  No more installing plugins,
>  no more yellow line around your swf, and no more relying 
> on another 
>  browser to run flash.
> 
>  Just create a flash based browser and you take flash to
> >>> another level
>  and another market.
>  All you have to worry about is creating it to run on multiple 
>  platforms.
>  

Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[tom rhodes]

mind explaining what it is possible to do? what is the http host header
sniffing type?


On 4 February 2010 16:39, Henrik Andersson  wrote:

> Glen Pike wrote:
>
>> That's fine in an ideal world where you probably have access to the
>> apache config file, but being as a lot of hosting is virtualised and
>> most people don't have access to their apache conf, it is probably far
>> more realistic and less dangerous to let users loose with .htaccess
>> files, you only need one in your root...
>>
>
> Actually, it is possible to do it even when using virtual hosting. And I do
> mean the http Host header sniffing type, not the one involving virtual
> machines.
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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Gregory Boudreaux]

Also Flash is playing a bigger role in corporate eLearning, especially
after Adobe ended support for Authorware... and all the third party
development tools that publish .swfs.  In addition to Adobe Connect with
its presentations and virtual classroom features.

My personal opinion is that Jobs is trying to push Adobe to fix whatever
problems he feels the Flash Player has on the Mac and get it to a state
where he feels they can do business.  He is playing this out in the
public arena so that he can build up some support and maybe make Adobe
speed things up a bit.  With the emergence of Google in the mobile
device market, Apple will need to step it up to stay on top the
mountain... and I think one of those things will be to have the Flash
Player on Apple mobile devices.  It will be this big announcement and
everyone will think it is the greatest thing since the iPhone.

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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[Henrik Andersson]

Glen Pike wrote:

That's fine in an ideal world where you probably have access to the
apache config file, but being as a lot of hosting is virtualised and
most people don't have access to their apache conf, it is probably far
more realistic and less dangerous to let users loose with .htaccess
files, you only need one in your root...


Actually, it is possible to do it even when using virtual hosting. And I 
do mean the http Host header sniffing type, not the one involving 
virtual machines.


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Re: [Flashcoders] I Must Be Asking This Question Wrong...

[beno -]

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Keith Reinfeld wrote:

> Naw... The bobblehead and googlie-eyes was something I did for fun. beno
> has
> been trying to work out the business with the hands.
>

Would you mind sending your *.as file along? Sure would like to see what
you're doing!
TIA,
beno
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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[Glen Pike]

That's fine in an ideal world where you probably have access to the 
apache config file, but being as a lot of hosting is virtualised and 
most people don't have access to their apache conf, it is probably far 
more realistic and less dangerous to let users loose with .htaccess 
files, you only need one in your root...



Henrik Andersson wrote:

Glen Pike wrote:

Hi Gus,

Mod_rewrite can often be controlled from within each webusers webspace
by putting the commands inside a file called .htaccess in the root
folder (or any other) of your site.


As I said, that is a horribly bad idea that relies on a hack. Get a 
host that knows what they are doing and doesn't allow directory 
specific configuration files to begin with, they drain performance.

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RE: [Flashcoders] XMLList question

[Merrill, Jason]

1+ 


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I always use CDATA tags for text in nodes where special characters might
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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[Henrik Andersson]

Glen Pike wrote:

Hi Gus,

Mod_rewrite can often be controlled from within each webusers webspace
by putting the commands inside a file called .htaccess in the root
folder (or any other) of your site.


As I said, that is a horribly bad idea that relies on a hack. Get a host 
that knows what they are doing and doesn't allow directory specific 
configuration files to begin with, they drain performance.

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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[Glen Pike]

Hi Gus,

   Mod_rewrite can often be controlled from within each webusers 
webspace by putting the commands inside a file called .htaccess in the 
root folder (or any other) of your site.  Not sure how to tell if it's 
switched on / allowed:


   
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=how+to+tell+if+mod_rewrite+is+enabled


   Some hosting companies "lock down" the apache / webserver to stop 
you overriding the default settings, others don't.  mod_rewrite is not 
that dangerous though, so if you try it and it does not work, it's worth 
checking with support if / why not.


   Glen

Gustavo Duenas wrote:
my server is not mine, I have it with a company(ix-webhosting), they 
are using h-sphere, there is way to use this mode_rewrite from the 
control panel?


Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Muzak wrote:


http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=mod_rewrite

- Original Message - From: "Gustavo Duenas" 


To: "Flash Coders List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?


do you mind to share with me how to use the mod_rewrite...is on the  
as3 , in the javascript or the html?

regards,
Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 5:43 AM, tom rhodes wrote:
ah forgot to mention to use mod_rewrite and have all the links  
in your

non flash version be without the "#"...

On 4 February 2010 11:42, tom rhodes  wrote:

swfaddress SEO solution works for me very well, i did a flash 
news  site for
a client and searching for headlines or article text came up in  
google
perfectly. it's php serving up either a version of the site for 
the  web

crawler/non flash user or the flash if you've got it...


On 4 February 2010 02:34, Steven Sacks   
wrote:


I like the solution that Gaia uses. I'm biased because I wrote 
it  and it
works really well.  It is an idea given to me by a guy who's 
very  good at

SEO, I merely executed it.

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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Glen Pike]

Yep - we have these too, except 3M's touchscreen drivers are a b***h to 
get working on recent versions of Linux / X-Windows.


Gustavo Duenas wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but for a touch screen flash based application 
you will need a monitor with touch screen hardware right?



gus


On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

Good to know. I guess I will have to try and build what I am thinking 
of. lol

I'll make it my first Air project. :)
Thanks everyone for the input,

Karl


On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Andrew Murphy wrote:

I recently coded an AIR app for our reception area touch screen 
which demos
one of Delvinia's other productions by loading it into an HTML 
component,
that website includes a SWF embedded on the page and it runs just 
fine in

the HTML component in AIR.

Building a touch screen keyboard in AIR that communicates with that 
SWF was

a bit of a pain, but the SWF itself just loads and runs exactly like it
would in any other browser.


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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf
Of Merrill, Jason
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:58 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash


Forgive me if I am unaware of what air actually is, but doesn't it
still have to be installed to work with a browser?


I was mostly kidding, but Adobe AIR does have a web browser
control so you can make an app that has web page inside it.
There are limitations to it of course, like I don't think it
supports Flash which is ironic.


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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf
Of Karl DeSaulniers
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:51 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

Well yeah, but I mean an app like Safari or FireFox or IE,
but it has flash and all its capabilities already in it.
No need to install flash, because its a flash browser.

Forgive me if I am unaware of what air actually is, but
doesn't it still have to be installed to work with a browser?

Karl


On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote:


I say its time for a Flash browser.


I thought that was called AIR. :)


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From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com
[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On

Behalf Of Karl

DeSaulniers
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:03 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

Hello,
I usually sit back and let the experts chum these out, but

I have to

say one thing..

I say its time for a Flash browser.
No more installing plugins,
no more yellow line around your swf,
and no more relying on another browser to run flash.

Just create a flash based browser and you take flash to

another level

and another market.
All you have to worry about is creating it to run on multiple
platforms.
You can create your own security on the browser to coincide with
iPods, iPads, iPlops whatever..

like combining air + flashplayer as a OS app

Once users/clients figure out that they can have their cake

and eat it

too, you'll have them coming by the hordes and there wont

be anything

anyone can do.
Oh, well, except catch up.. :)

+1 Flash for ever!

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Gustavo Duenas]

Correct me if I'm wrong but for a touch screen flash based application  
you will need a monitor with touch screen hardware right?



gus


On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

Good to know. I guess I will have to try and build what I am  
thinking of. lol

I'll make it my first Air project. :)
Thanks everyone for the input,

Karl


On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Andrew Murphy wrote:

I recently coded an AIR app for our reception area touch screen  
which demos
one of Delvinia's other productions by loading it into an HTML  
component,
that website includes a SWF embedded on the page and it runs just  
fine in

the HTML component in AIR.

Building a touch screen keyboard in AIR that communicates with that  
SWF was
a bit of a pain, but the SWF itself just loads and runs exactly  
like it

would in any other browser.


--
Andrew Murphy
Interactive Media Developer
amur...@delvinia.com

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Toronto Canada M5V 1J9
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F (416) 364-9830
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Of Merrill, Jason
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:58 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash


Forgive me if I am unaware of what air actually is, but doesn't it
still have to be installed to work with a browser?


I was mostly kidding, but Adobe AIR does have a web browser
control so you can make an app that has web page inside it.
There are limitations to it of course, like I don't think it
supports Flash which is ironic.


Jason Merrill

Bank of  America  Global Learning
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our Instructional Technology Design Blog
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-Original Message-
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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf
Of Karl DeSaulniers
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:51 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

Well yeah, but I mean an app like Safari or FireFox or IE,
but it has flash and all its capabilities already in it.
No need to install flash, because its a flash browser.

Forgive me if I am unaware of what air actually is, but
doesn't it still have to be installed to work with a browser?

Karl


On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote:


I say its time for a Flash browser.


I thought that was called AIR. :)


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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On

Behalf Of Karl

DeSaulniers
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:03 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

Hello,
I usually sit back and let the experts chum these out, but

I have to

say one thing..

I say its time for a Flash browser.
No more installing plugins,
no more yellow line around your swf,
and no more relying on another browser to run flash.

Just create a flash based browser and you take flash to

another level

and another market.
All you have to worry about is creating it to run on multiple
platforms.
You can create your own security on the browser to coincide with
iPods, iPads, iPlops whatever..

like combining air + flashplayer as a OS app

Once users/clients figure out that they can have their cake

and eat it

too, you'll have them coming by the hordes and there wont

be anything

anyone can do.
Oh, well, except catch up.. :)

+1 Flash for ever!

Karl DeSaulniers
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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[Gustavo Duenas]

my server is not mine, I have it with a company(ix-webhosting), they  
are using h-sphere, there is way to use this mode_rewrite from the  
control panel?


Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Muzak wrote:


http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=mod_rewrite

- Original Message - From: "Gustavo Duenas" >

To: "Flash Coders List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?


do you mind to share with me how to use the mod_rewrite...is on  
the  as3 , in the javascript or the html?

regards,
Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 5:43 AM, tom rhodes wrote:
ah forgot to mention to use mod_rewrite and have all the  
links  in your

non flash version be without the "#"...

On 4 February 2010 11:42, tom rhodes  wrote:

swfaddress SEO solution works for me very well, i did a flash  
news  site for
a client and searching for headlines or article text came up in   
google
perfectly. it's php serving up either a version of the site for  
the  web

crawler/non flash user or the flash if you've got it...


On 4 February 2010 02:34, Steven Sacks  
  wrote:


I like the solution that Gaia uses. I'm biased because I wrote  
it  and it
works really well.  It is an idea given to me by a guy who's  
very  good at

SEO, I merely executed it.

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RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Coders Archives..?

[Andrew Murphy]

Thank you. :)

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> http://www.mail-archive.com/flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com/
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> Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash Coders Archives..?
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> 
> > Hi. :)
> > 
> > Is there an archive of the recent posts to Flash Coders?  
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> > the Figleaf page for the list
> > (http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders) 
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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[Glen Pike]

Hi,

   mod_rewrite is an add on for Apache webserver.  If it's installed 
you can setup "Rules" in a .htaccess file to redirect URL's based on 
those rules.


   http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html

   http://www.addedbytes.com/cheat-sheets/mod_rewrite-cheat-sheet/

   Should help you.  Download and have a look at the SWFAddress's SEO 
example from here http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/samples/  I think that 
uses i


Gustavo Duenas wrote:
do you mind to share with me how to use the mod_rewrite...is on the 
as3 , in the javascript or the html?


regards,

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 5:43 AM, tom rhodes wrote:

ah forgot to mention to use mod_rewrite and have all the links in 
your

non flash version be without the "#"...

On 4 February 2010 11:42, tom rhodes  wrote:

swfaddress SEO solution works for me very well, i did a flash news 
site for

a client and searching for headlines or article text came up in google
perfectly. it's php serving up either a version of the site for the web
crawler/non flash user or the flash if you've got it...


On 4 February 2010 02:34, Steven Sacks  
wrote:


I like the solution that Gaia uses. I'm biased because I wrote it 
and it
works really well.  It is an idea given to me by a guy who's very 
good at

SEO, I merely executed it.

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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

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http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=mod_rewrite

- Original Message - 
From: "Gustavo Duenas" 

To: "Flash Coders List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?


do you mind to share with me how to use the mod_rewrite...is on the  
as3 , in the javascript or the html?


regards,

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 5:43 AM, tom rhodes wrote:

ah forgot to mention to use mod_rewrite and have all the links  
in your

non flash version be without the "#"...

On 4 February 2010 11:42, tom rhodes  wrote:

swfaddress SEO solution works for me very well, i did a flash news  
site for
a client and searching for headlines or article text came up in  
google
perfectly. it's php serving up either a version of the site for the  
web

crawler/non flash user or the flash if you've got it...


On 4 February 2010 02:34, Steven Sacks   
wrote:


I like the solution that Gaia uses. I'm biased because I wrote it  
and it
works really well.  It is an idea given to me by a guy who's very  
good at

SEO, I merely executed it.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Coders Archives..?

[Muzak]

http://www.mail-archive.com/flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com/

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To: "'Flash Coders List'" 
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Hi. :)

Is there an archive of the recent posts to Flash Coders?  I've checked on
the Figleaf page for the list
(http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders) and it leads to
an archive site that only has archives from 1998 to 2007.

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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)]

wow

i'd like to put this up on our intranet - can i get a link to credit you for
this?

a

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:46 PM,  wrote:

> Artur,
>
> I did some research this morning to unearth the latest best practices.
>  I'll share the results of my findings.
>
> I found some information that suggests that Google is capable of 1)
> indexing Flash content embedded via SWFObject and 2) cataloging content
> linked via URLs with hash marks.  However, the majority view seems to be
> that the best way to control what Google catalogs is to provide distinct
> page links that do not use the hash mark.
>
> Google announced in mid 2008 that it could crawl Flash: "Now that we've
> launched our Flash indexing algorithm, web designers can expect improved
> visibility of their published Flash content, and you can expect to see
> better search results and snippets" ("Google learns to crawl Flash,"
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/google-learns-to-crawl-flash.html,
> June 30, 2008).  That same day, Google asserted, "We've improved our ability
> to index textual content in SWF files of all kinds. This includes Flash
> "gadgets" such as buttons or menus, self-contained Flash websites, and
> everything in between" ("Improved Flash indexing",
> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/06/improved-flash-indexing.html,
> June 30, 2008).  A year later, Google asserted in the blog post "Flash
> indexing with external resource loading" (
> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/06/flash-indexing-with-external-resource.html,
> June 18, 2009) that they "just added external resource loading to our !
>  Flash indexing capabilities," meaning that "when a SWF file loads content
> from some other file—whether it's text, HTML, XML, another SWF, etc.—we can
> index this external content too, and associate it with the parent SWF file
> and any documents that embed it."
>
> Regarding Google's capacity to see links with hash marks as unique URLS, I
> found an article in betanews from September 29, 2009 titled "Google vs.
> Yahoo vs. Bing on 'deep linking:' Does it make any difference?" (
> http://www.betanews.com/article/Google-vs-Yahoo-vs-Bing-on-deep-linking-Does-it-make-any-difference/1254260245)
> in which the author notes, "This week, all three of the world's top general
> search engines touted the addition of deep links to their search results,
> although Google has been actively experimenting with deep links since this
> time last year. The basic premise is this: For Web pages that have named
> anchors above selected subsections -- for example,  -- the
> search engine is capable of generating subheadings in its search results
> that link users directly to those subsections, or at least to subsections
> whose titles imply they may have some bearing upon the query."
>
> With all that noted, I find it telling that Adobe is still pushing for
> basic URLs to page content rather than relying on Google to crawl hash marks
> or SWF content directly.  A little over a month ago, in the "Deep Links and
> Dynamic Content" video which is part of the Adobe Developer Connection
> article "Adobe Flash and search engine optimization (SEO): Techniques,
> issues, and strategies" (
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/seo/articles/flash_seo_videos.html, December
> 14, 2009), Damien Bianchi specifically asserts that "Google does not index
> anything past the hash mark in the deep linking URL" and recommends
> providing basic URLs for spider consumption.
>
> Justin Everett-Church, senior product manager for designer/developer
> relations for Flash at Adobe, clearly articulated why we can't rely on
> Google's ability to crawl SWF content in an audio interview on December 9,
> 2009.  In this interview, Everett-Church noted, "Flash content or SWFs have
> been actually accessible to search engines for a while. In previous kind of
> incarnations, it's been able to decompile SWF and give all the strings out
> there. Unfortunately, that's not really getting out what an end user sees,
> what an end user experiences. So, we've had to come up with better solutions
> that give a more full description of the text links that are going on inside
> the SWF, how the end user actually is interacting with representing the
> hierarchy of the SWF. Without that full solution that we've implemented in
> the last couple of years, really, Flash search ability was less than it
> should be, but that's obviously why we did the work."
>
> While there may come a day when we can structure our ActionScript code to
> precisely control what Google sees, for the time-being the approach outlined
> by Michael Wyszomierski and Greg Grothaus in an article titled "A Spider's
> View of Web 2.0" (
> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/11/spiders-view-of-web-20.html,
> Tuesday, November 6, 2007) seems to offer the best hope for insuring Google
> sees our sites the way our clients and visitors see our sites.
>
> Bottom line: provide plain links to HTML pages and redirect 

Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[Henrik Andersson]

Gustavo Duenas wrote:

do you mind to share with me how to use the mod_rewrite...is on the as3
, in the javascript or the html?


It is a module for the Apache group http server. So, it is a server side 
module to perform regex replacements on the url before the server parses 
it further.


Many people uses a hack that it provides, I recommend against the hack, 
because it makes the task even more confusing than it already is.
The issue is simple, the server supports directory specific 
configuration files (commonly called .htaccess due to their default file 
name). But that file is loaded after the url is parsed. However, url 
rewriting needs to be done before that happens. So, it should be 
impossible to change the url at that stage, since it has already been 
parsed. But there is a hack to circumvent this.


To avoid the hack, simply don't do any url rewriting in directory 
specific configuration files. Instead use the real configuration file 
for the server.

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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[Gustavo Duenas]

do you mind to share with me how to use the mod_rewrite...is on the  
as3 , in the javascript or the html?


regards,

Gus
On Feb 4, 2010, at 5:43 AM, tom rhodes wrote:

ah forgot to mention to use mod_rewrite and have all the links  
in your

non flash version be without the "#"...

On 4 February 2010 11:42, tom rhodes  wrote:

swfaddress SEO solution works for me very well, i did a flash news  
site for
a client and searching for headlines or article text came up in  
google
perfectly. it's php serving up either a version of the site for the  
web

crawler/non flash user or the flash if you've got it...


On 4 February 2010 02:34, Steven Sacks   
wrote:


I like the solution that Gaia uses. I'm biased because I wrote it  
and it
works really well.  It is an idea given to me by a guy who's very  
good at

SEO, I merely executed it.

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[Flashcoders] Flash Coders Archives..?

[Andrew Murphy]

Hi. :)

Is there an archive of the recent posts to Flash Coders?  I've checked on
the Figleaf page for the list
(http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders) and it leads to
an archive site that only has archives from 1998 to 2007.

Thank you.


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Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Good to know. I guess I will have to try and build what I am thinking  
of. lol

I'll make it my first Air project. :)
Thanks everyone for the input,

Karl


On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Andrew Murphy wrote:

I recently coded an AIR app for our reception area touch screen  
which demos
one of Delvinia's other productions by loading it into an HTML  
component,
that website includes a SWF embedded on the page and it runs just  
fine in

the HTML component in AIR.

Building a touch screen keyboard in AIR that communicates with that  
SWF was
a bit of a pain, but the SWF itself just loads and runs exactly  
like it

would in any other browser.


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-Original Message-
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[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf
Of Merrill, Jason
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:58 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash


Forgive me if I am unaware of what air actually is, but doesn't it
still have to be installed to work with a browser?


I was mostly kidding, but Adobe AIR does have a web browser
control so you can make an app that has web page inside it.
There are limitations to it of course, like I don't think it
supports Flash which is ironic.


Jason Merrill

Bank of  America  Global Learning
Learning & Performance Soluions

Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community  and visit
our Instructional Technology Design Blog
(note: these are for Bank of America employees only)






-Original Message-
From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com
[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf
Of Karl DeSaulniers
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:51 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

Well yeah, but I mean an app like Safari or FireFox or IE,
but it has flash and all its capabilities already in it.
No need to install flash, because its a flash browser.

Forgive me if I am unaware of what air actually is, but
doesn't it still have to be installed to work with a browser?

Karl


On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote:


I say its time for a Flash browser.


I thought that was called AIR. :)


Jason Merrill

Bank of  America  Global Learning
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-Original Message-
From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com
[mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On

Behalf Of Karl

DeSaulniers
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:03 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

Hello,
I usually sit back and let the experts chum these out, but

I have to

say one thing..

I say its time for a Flash browser.
No more installing plugins,
no more yellow line around your swf,
and no more relying on another browser to run flash.

Just create a flash based browser and you take flash to

another level

and another market.
All you have to worry about is creating it to run on multiple
platforms.
You can create your own security on the browser to coincide with
iPods, iPads, iPlops whatever..

like combining air + flashplayer as a OS app

Once users/clients figure out that they can have their cake

and eat it

too, you'll have them coming by the hordes and there wont

be anything

anyone can do.
Oh, well, except catch up.. :)

+1 Flash for ever!

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com

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RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash

[Andrew Murphy]

I recently coded an AIR app for our reception area touch screen which demos
one of Delvinia's other productions by loading it into an HTML component,
that website includes a SWF embedded on the page and it runs just fine in
the HTML component in AIR.

Building a touch screen keyboard in AIR that communicates with that SWF was
a bit of a pain, but the SWF itself just loads and runs exactly like it
would in any other browser.


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amur...@delvinia.com

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> -Original Message-
> From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com 
> [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf 
> Of Merrill, Jason
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:58 PM
> To: Flash Coders List
> Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash
> 
> >> Forgive me if I am unaware of what air actually is, but doesn't it 
> >>still have to be installed to work with a browser?
> 
> I was mostly kidding, but Adobe AIR does have a web browser 
> control so you can make an app that has web page inside it.  
> There are limitations to it of course, like I don't think it 
> supports Flash which is ironic.
> 
> 
> Jason Merrill 
> 
> Bank of  America  Global Learning
> Learning & Performance Soluions
> 
> Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community  and visit 
> our Instructional Technology Design Blog
> (note: these are for Bank of America employees only)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf 
> Of Karl DeSaulniers
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:51 PM
> To: Flash Coders List
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash
> 
> Well yeah, but I mean an app like Safari or FireFox or IE, 
> but it has flash and all its capabilities already in it.
> No need to install flash, because its a flash browser.
> 
> Forgive me if I am unaware of what air actually is, but 
> doesn't it still have to be installed to work with a browser?
> 
> Karl
> 
> 
> On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote:
> 
> >>> I say its time for a Flash browser.
> >
> > I thought that was called AIR. :)
> >
> >
> > Jason Merrill
> >
> > Bank of  America  Global Learning
> > Learning & Performance Soluions
> >
> > Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community  and visit our 
> > Instructional Technology Design Blog
> > (note: these are for Bank of America employees only)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> > [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On 
> Behalf Of Karl 
> > DeSaulniers
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:03 PM
> > To: Flash Coders List
> > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] and now..CLIENT now hates Flash
> >
> > Hello,
> > I usually sit back and let the experts chum these out, but 
> I have to 
> > say one thing..
> >
> > I say its time for a Flash browser.
> > No more installing plugins,
> > no more yellow line around your swf,
> > and no more relying on another browser to run flash.
> >
> > Just create a flash based browser and you take flash to 
> another level 
> > and another market.
> > All you have to worry about is creating it to run on multiple 
> > platforms.
> > You can create your own security on the browser to coincide with 
> > iPods, iPads, iPlops whatever..
> >
> > like combining air + flashplayer as a OS app
> >
> > Once users/clients figure out that they can have their cake 
> and eat it 
> > too, you'll have them coming by the hordes and there wont 
> be anything 
> > anyone can do.
> > Oh, well, except catch up.. :)
> >
> > +1 Flash for ever!
> >
> > Karl DeSaulniers
> > Design Drumm
> > http://designdrumm.com
> >
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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[Julio Protzek]

Gaia uses one of the best solutions I ever saw.
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Re: [Flashcoders] How to use Flex Builder's profiler???

[Juan Pablo Califano]

Yes, taking a snapshot forces a GC cycle. You can also run it yourself at
any time pressing the "Run Garbage Collector" button.

Keep in mind that your disposing method will not cause your objects to be
collected, but rather be collectable or eligible for GV. Until the GC kicks
in, those objects could be unreacheable (if you managed to clean up
properly) but still alive (and that's what the Live Objects view reflects).
Cheers
Juan Pablo Califano
2010/2/4 W.R. de Boer 

> Hello,
>
> I have been working with FB3 Profiler the whole week but I am having some
> strange issues with it. If I am making a simple SWF with a document class
> where I call a method after 10 seconds which should dispose all the creating
> movieclip at startup.
>
> I have the issue that the reference counter of the several objects keep
> staying on 1 (watching it in the Live Objects tab pane in Eclipse) but after
> I press the button for creating a memory snapshot the counters go down to 0.
> What does this mean? Does the memory snapshot does a forced run on the
> garbage collection or were my objects already 0 but the Live Objects list
> didn't get updated?
>
> Anyone having any clue? I am confused.
>
> Weyert de Boer
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Re: [Flashcoders] Filters in flash 8

[Piers Cowburn]

Wow. *Ordered*

On 4 Feb 2010, at 12:41, Henrik Andersson wrote:

> Piers Cowburn wrote:
>> You can do a lot of things, including sharpen, with the ConvulsionFilter: 
>> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ActionScript/3.0_ProgrammingAS3/WS5b3ccc516d4fbf351e63e3d118a9b90204-7da3.html
>> 
>> Use this kind of matrix:
>> [0, -1, 0
>> -1, 5, -1
>>  0, -1, 0]
>> 
>> Larger matrices and different values will give a different range of 
>> sharpening. If you want to hook up sliders to control the radius and 
>> strength (like the Unsharp Mask filter in PS), you need to have them adjust 
>> these values.
>> 
>> Piers
> 
> I know of a good book about this:
> http://www.dspguide.com/pdfbook.htm
> 
> If you manage to survive it, you should fully understand how to use the 
> convulsion filter.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Filters in flash 8

[Henrik Andersson]

Piers Cowburn wrote:

You can do a lot of things, including sharpen, with the ConvulsionFilter: 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ActionScript/3.0_ProgrammingAS3/WS5b3ccc516d4fbf351e63e3d118a9b90204-7da3.html

Use this kind of matrix:
[0, -1, 0
-1, 5, -1
  0, -1, 0]

Larger matrices and different values will give a different range of sharpening. 
If you want to hook up sliders to control the radius and strength (like the 
Unsharp Mask filter in PS), you need to have them adjust these values.

Piers


I know of a good book about this:
http://www.dspguide.com/pdfbook.htm

If you manage to survive it, you should fully understand how to use the 
convulsion filter.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Filters in flash 8

[Piers Cowburn]

You can do a lot of things, including sharpen, with the ConvulsionFilter: 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ActionScript/3.0_ProgrammingAS3/WS5b3ccc516d4fbf351e63e3d118a9b90204-7da3.html

Use this kind of matrix:
[0, -1, 0 
-1, 5, -1 
 0, -1, 0]

Larger matrices and different values will give a different range of sharpening. 
If you want to hook up sliders to control the radius and strength (like the 
Unsharp Mask filter in PS), you need to have them adjust these values.

Piers


On 4 Feb 2010, at 12:22, Glen Pike wrote:

> Look in the AS2 documentation in Flash or on the Adobe site:
> 
> Bitmap Filter class
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/AS2LCR/Flash_10.0/0808.html
> 
> Then all filters like GlowFilter, etc are a subset of these.
> 
> MovieClip.filters is an array property that you can set at runtime with 
> "constructed filters" - see the examples.
> 
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/AS2LCR/Flash_10.0/0337.html
> 
> You can also set Filters at authortime in the IDE - click on a movieclip, 
> next to the "Properties" Tab click on Filters and start adding/playing to see 
> what you want.  Most of the parameters you set in here translate to 
> parameters for the particular filter in AS2.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Glen
> 
> Sumeet Kumar wrote:
>> Thanks for your reply
>> Are there any classes available on the net for these filters?  I have 
>> searched a lot but not able to find any classes related to AS2 and flash.
>> Can you please point me to some links.
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Sumeet Kumar
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Henrik Andersson" 
>> To: "Flash Coders List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Filters in flash 8
>> 
>> 
>> Sumeet Kumar wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Is there any way by which we can achieve following filters in flash 8.
>>> 
>>> Noise
>>> Pixelate
>>> Sharp
>>> Water
>>> Metallic
>>> Neon
>> 
>> Noise is possible with BitmapData, Pixelate is done with drawing to
>> BitmapData and upscaling the bitmap.
>> Sharp is done with one of the more complicated filters.
>> Water is too losely defined and so is metallic.
>> Neon can be done with the glow filter.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Filters in flash 8

[Henrik Andersson]

Glen Pike wrote:

Metallic: - not sure that's more of a "reflection" type effect that you
could do with your graphical components.


Most people are happy with gradients for metal textures, but indeed you 
need a more complicated system for true reflections.

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Re: [Flashcoders] Filters in flash 8

[Glen Pike]

Look in the AS2 documentation in Flash or on the Adobe site:

Bitmap Filter class
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/AS2LCR/Flash_10.0/0808.html

Then all filters like GlowFilter, etc are a subset of these.

MovieClip.filters is an array property that you can set at runtime with 
"constructed filters" - see the examples.


http://help.adobe.com/en_US/AS2LCR/Flash_10.0/0337.html

You can also set Filters at authortime in the IDE - click on a 
movieclip, next to the "Properties" Tab click on Filters and start 
adding/playing to see what you want.  Most of the parameters you set in 
here translate to parameters for the particular filter in AS2.


HTH

Glen

Sumeet Kumar wrote:

Thanks for your reply
Are there any classes available on the net for these filters?  I have 
searched a lot but not able to find any classes related to AS2 and flash.

Can you please point me to some links.

Thanks again.

Regards
Sumeet Kumar

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Sumeet Kumar wrote:

Hi All,

Is there any way by which we can achieve following filters in flash 8.

Noise
Pixelate
Sharp
Water
Metallic
Neon


Noise is possible with BitmapData, Pixelate is done with drawing to
BitmapData and upscaling the bitmap.
Sharp is done with one of the more complicated filters.
Water is too losely defined and so is metallic.
Neon can be done with the glow filter.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Filters in flash 8

[Sumeet Kumar]

Thanks for your reply
Are there any classes available on the net for these filters?  I have 
searched a lot but not able to find any classes related to AS2 and flash.

Can you please point me to some links.

Thanks again.

Regards
Sumeet Kumar

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From: "Henrik Andersson" 

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Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:32 PM
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Sumeet Kumar wrote:

Hi All,

Is there any way by which we can achieve following filters in flash 8.

Noise
Pixelate
Sharp
Water
Metallic
Neon


Noise is possible with BitmapData, Pixelate is done with drawing to
BitmapData and upscaling the bitmap.
Sharp is done with one of the more complicated filters.
Water is too losely defined and so is metallic.
Neon can be done with the glow filter.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Filters in flash 8

[Glen Pike]

You could simulate water with a DisplacementFilter effect that uses 
Perlin noise.


Metallic: - not sure that's more of a "reflection" type effect that you 
could do with your graphical components.


Henrik Andersson wrote:

Sumeet Kumar wrote:

Hi All,

Is there any way by which we can achieve following filters in flash 8.

Noise
Pixelate
Sharp
Water
Metallic
Neon


Noise is possible with BitmapData, Pixelate is done with drawing to 
BitmapData and upscaling the bitmap.

Sharp is done with one of the more complicated filters.
Water is too losely defined and so is metallic.
Neon can be done with the glow filter.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Filters in flash 8

[Henrik Andersson]

Sumeet Kumar wrote:

Hi All,

Is there any way by which we can achieve following filters in flash 8.

Noise
Pixelate
Sharp
Water
Metallic
Neon


Noise is possible with BitmapData, Pixelate is done with drawing to 
BitmapData and upscaling the bitmap.

Sharp is done with one of the more complicated filters.
Water is too losely defined and so is metallic.
Neon can be done with the glow filter.
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[Flashcoders] How to use Flex Builder's profiler???

[W.R. de Boer]

Hello,

I have been working with FB3 Profiler the whole week but I am having some 
strange issues with it. If I am making a simple SWF with a document class where 
I call a method after 10 seconds which should dispose all the creating 
movieclip at startup. 

I have the issue that the reference counter of the several objects keep staying 
on 1 (watching it in the Live Objects tab pane in Eclipse) but after I press 
the button for creating a memory snapshot the counters go down to 0. What does 
this mean? Does the memory snapshot does a forced run on the garbage collection 
or were my objects already 0 but the Live Objects list didn't get updated?

Anyone having any clue? I am confused.

Weyert de Boer
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[Flashcoders] Filters in flash 8

[Sumeet Kumar]

Hi All,

Is there any way by which we can achieve following filters in flash 8.

Noise
Pixelate
Sharp
Water 
Metallic
Neon

Any help in this regard will be great help. Thanks in Advance

Regards
Sumeet Kumar


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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[tom rhodes]

ah forgot to mention to use mod_rewrite and have all the links in your
non flash version be without the "#"...

On 4 February 2010 11:42, tom rhodes  wrote:

> swfaddress SEO solution works for me very well, i did a flash news site for
> a client and searching for headlines or article text came up in google
> perfectly. it's php serving up either a version of the site for the web
> crawler/non flash user or the flash if you've got it...
>
>
> On 4 February 2010 02:34, Steven Sacks  wrote:
>
>> I like the solution that Gaia uses. I'm biased because I wrote it and it
>> works really well.  It is an idea given to me by a guy who's very good at
>> SEO, I merely executed it.
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Re: [Flashcoders] SEO + Flash = any great strategies?

[tom rhodes]

swfaddress SEO solution works for me very well, i did a flash news site for
a client and searching for headlines or article text came up in google
perfectly. it's php serving up either a version of the site for the web
crawler/non flash user or the flash if you've got it...


On 4 February 2010 02:34, Steven Sacks  wrote:

> I like the solution that Gaia uses. I'm biased because I wrote it and it
> works really well.  It is an idea given to me by a guy who's very good at
> SEO, I merely executed it.
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[Flashcoders] Detect URL of Iframe

[Paul Steven]

I am hosting a game for a client however they are displaying it on their
site in an iFrame. The game is also available for other sites to embed the
swf.

I would like to change a link within the game based on whether it is being
played from the clients site or from another site.

The game is programmed in AS3. 

I have done a test of var rootURL = loaderInfo.url; and it gives me the URL
of my site.

Is there a way in flash to detect the URL of the iFrame?

The link to the game on the clients site is as follows:

http://www.britishlivertrust.org.uk/home/looking-after-your-liver/liver-let-
live-game.aspx

Thanks

Paul

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