RE: RTF to framemaker

[Caroline Tabach]

What do you mean when you say
import the doc into a Frame template
Can you explain more fully?

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer


    
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker

I don't use the RTF to Frame filter, but instead import the .doc into a
Frame template to eliminate the generic master pages and catalogs created
when using Frame to open the doc directly.

The resulting Word import filter does a fine job of importing, but doesn't
address inconsistencies and workarounds in the Word file. 

Result:
-Graphics and tables often require manipulation
-Paragraph format overrides from Word still need to be addressed
-The Find/Change gets heavy usage to correct duplicated autonumbering (Much
of Word's autonumbering is treated as content rather than formatting)

I tell folks requiring conversion that the cost of the conversion lies
mainly in developing appropriate templates, and in addressing the Word
author's lack of consistency.

-Matt Sullivan

 

GRAFIX Training, Inc.

An Adobe Authorized Training Center

www.grafixtraining.com

888 882-2819 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Hi all,

Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing
up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame.  Especially the
RTF to FM filter.  It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are
about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800
pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the job of
convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to
pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more
companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there
from Word.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Rick Quatro; Diane Gaskill; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


(1) There are a lot of people within Adobe who
don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either!

(2) Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to
FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign converter at
least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of
these programs understand the problems of trying to
do such reverse engineering of a PDF file.

PDF is a final form document format. It does not have
the context of the graphical objects it represents.
At best, if you produce a tagged PDF, a converter
can make some guesses as to the original document
structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables,
but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability
as well as the third party products out there try to
make good guesses as the original formatting, but that
is about the best they can do. Very little context of
a FrameMaker or InDesign document remains in the
resultant PDF file, so any attempt to go back to those
formats is somewhat doomed. If we were to supply converters
back to those formats, users expectations would be set
to a level that we could not deliver to.

Conversions from PDF should be viewed as and only be used
for emergency retrieval of content that has no other
means of being retrieved. We provide an RTF converter
simply because just about every text consuming program out
there can open or import content in RTF and that does satisfy
most of our customer's needs in terms of such emergency
retrieval.

- Dov



 -Original Message-

 I am sure there are a lot of people within Adobe that don't
 know what FrameMaker is.

 Rick Quatro

  It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has
included
  a function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of
  their competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file
  formats.  Perhaps there is not enough demand for PDF-FM?
 
  Diane

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RE: PDF to framemaker

[Caroline Tabach]

The issue is that embedded graphics in Frame is found by many people to not be 
a useful way of working.
If you have a large number of documents which are going to be updated, and 
their graphics will change, then using referenced files is much better (IMHO).  
There are actually a lot more advantages, but I have forgotten them.
Part of the move from Word to FrameMaker is changing from using embedded 
graphics to referenced graphics. As someone mentioned, if we did not have 
access to the original files, using save as html on the Word files got the 
graphics out (it took me about a week to fix the graphics in our set of books 
when we made the transfer).

Moving all of your documentation from Word to Frame is indeed a major project, 
on the other hand it is an excellent way to get to know Frame's capabilities 
and practice working on it.

There are a number of utilities out there to help in the transfer process, 
including Table cleaner, which we could not have managed without, and various 
tools for working with tags.


Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer


    
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Email:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.radcom.com
www.protocols.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:03 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Embedded graphics in Word do not come across with the text.  In fact, most
RTF files with graphics in them crash the filter.  It simily stops.  After a
few seconds, it displays an error message about not being able to continue.
This happens with anything except very small files (one or two pages).  Yes,
I realize that Word has many problems (ok, it's full of bugs) and that is
one of the reasons we are switching to FM.

Does Adobe have any recommendations for prepping the word file before trying
to import it?  When previoiusly trying to convert files, I've removed all
the graphics and that helped a lot.  But I assume we shouldn't have to do
that if the filter worked as it is supposed to.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:33 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


You could/should be a bit more specific about what you mean
by Adobe fixing up the RTF to FM filter. If you are finding
bugs, by all means officially report them!

You should be aware that many of the RTF to anything else
conversion issues do relate to inconsistencies between how
Microsoft itself produces and/or interprets RTF in various
versions and releases of Word. Even within a particular version
of Word, you can see discrepancies. Many of these have to do
with character encodings, especially anything other than
base ASCII characters! This is especially true if you are
copying text from old Word documents from times prior to that
in which Unicode was supported.

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Diane Gaskill
 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM

 Hi all,

 Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever
 consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that
 come with Frame.  Especially the RTF to FM filter.  It would
 be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert
 their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages,
 believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the
 job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame
 if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

 Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering
 that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had
 an easy way to get there from Word.

 Diane

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RE: RTF to framemaker: importing a Word file into a Frame template

[Inbar, Paul]

I don't know where I've been, but this business about importing the Word file 
into an existing Frame file/template was an incredible insight for me. As a 
quick trial I created a word template that has the same style names we use in 
the Frame template. I then opened the Frame template, chose File  Import  
File..., selected the desired .doc file, selected the Copy into Document radio 
button, and pressed Import. In the Unknown File Type dialog that appeared, I 
chose Microsoft Word (it was the default selection), and pressed Convert. In 
the Import Text Flow by Copy dialog, I checked the Body Page Flow and Reformat 
Using Current Document's Catalogs, and also checked the Remove Manual Page 
breaks and Other Overrides checkboxes. The result was a VERY clean Frame 
document nicely formatted according to our Frame template. It looks like 
graphics were created and I think embedded, and while they look not too bad, 
you might want to save them out another way from the Word doc and then reimport 
them by reference. In my example, tables came out as tables, but not in the 
table format I usually use. In Frame I converted the tables to text and then 
back to table to get the table format I wanted. Still, for a 15 minute trial, I 
was very impressed by this method!  

By the way, I am using Frame 7.2.

Paul  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:49 AM
To: Matt Sullivan; Framers List
Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker

What do you mean when you say
import the doc into a Frame template
Can you explain more fully?

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer


    
Fax: +972 3 6474681
Email:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.radcom.com
www.protocols.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker

I don't use the RTF to Frame filter, but instead import the .doc into a
Frame template to eliminate the generic master pages and catalogs created
when using Frame to open the doc directly.

The resulting Word import filter does a fine job of importing, but doesn't
address inconsistencies and workarounds in the Word file. 

Result:
-Graphics and tables often require manipulation
-Paragraph format overrides from Word still need to be addressed
-The Find/Change gets heavy usage to correct duplicated autonumbering (Much
of Word's autonumbering is treated as content rather than formatting)

I tell folks requiring conversion that the cost of the conversion lies
mainly in developing appropriate templates, and in addressing the Word
author's lack of consistency.

-Matt Sullivan

 

GRAFIX Training, Inc.

An Adobe Authorized Training Center

www.grafixtraining.com

888 882-2819 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Hi all,

Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing
up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame.  Especially the
RTF to FM filter.  It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are
about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800
pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the job of
convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to
pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more
companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there
from Word.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Rick Quatro; Diane Gaskill; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


(1) There are a lot of people within Adobe who
don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either!

(2) Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to
FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign converter at
least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of
these programs understand the problems of trying to
do such reverse engineering of a PDF file.

PDF is a final form document format. It does not have
the context of the graphical objects it represents.
At best, if you produce a tagged PDF, a converter
can make some guesses as to the original document
structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables,
but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability
as well as the third party products out there try to
make good guesses as the original formatting, but that
is about the best they can do. Very little context of
a FrameMaker or InDesign document remains in the
resultant PDF file, so any attempt to go back to those
formats is somewhat doomed. If we were to supply converters
back to those formats, users expectations 

RE: PDF to framemaker

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Caroline,

Thanks for the tips.  FYI, I've been using FM since 1992, so practice is not
something I need.  When I started with my current company and found they
still used Word, I immediately wrote a proposal to switch to FM.  It did not
happen immediately, but it is happening now.   I'm getting quotes from a
couple of vendors to convert the docs but I also have to do the math on how
much it will take us to do it ourselves.  We probably have access to the
original graphics, but if not, converting to HTML to extract the graphics is
a good idea.   I have several FM plugins, but not TableCleaner Pro.   I
forget, is that one of Bruce' Foster's apps or did Chris Despopulous write
it?   I'll check the website and get it if needed.

Thanks,

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Caroline Tabach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:56 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


The issue is that embedded graphics in Frame is found by many people to not
be a useful way of working.
If you have a large number of documents which are going to be updated, and
their graphics will change, then using referenced files is much better
(IMHO).  There are actually a lot more advantages, but I have forgotten
them.
Part of the move from Word to FrameMaker is changing from using embedded
graphics to referenced graphics. As someone mentioned, if we did not have
access to the original files, using save as html on the Word files got the
graphics out (it took me about a week to fix the graphics in our set of
books when we made the transfer).

Moving all of your documentation from Word to Frame is indeed a major
project, on the other hand it is an excellent way to get to know Frame's
capabilities and practice working on it.

There are a number of utilities out there to help in the transfer process,
including Table cleaner, which we could not have managed without, and
various tools for working with tags.


Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer
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Re: PDF to framemaker

[Karen Mardahl]

Hi Diane

On 1/16/07, Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have several FM plugins, but not TableCleaner Pro.   I
forget, is that one of Bruce' Foster's apps or did Chris Despopulous write
it?   I'll check the website and get it if needed.


I've never heard of TableCleaner Pro, and Google revealed nothing by
that name, but I have heard of TableCleaner:
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm
Rick Quatro wrote it.

My docs have 400-600 tables, so TableCleaner paid for itself the day I
bought it. (In fact, in less than the first hour I had it.)

regards, Karen Mardahl, a very satisfied TableCleaner customer
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[ANN] Adobe Announces RoboHelp 6

[Scott Abel]

Received this in my inbox. It certainly ends the RoboHelp is dead  
discussion and will cause competitors to find a new sales strategy as  
they can no longer rely on the RoboHelp replacement message.


Cheers,

Scott Abel
TheContentWrangler.com


Adobe Releases Major Upgrade to RoboHelp

Adobe RoboHelp 6 Eases Creation, Management and Publishing of  
Intuitive Software Help Systems and Knowledge Bases


SAN JOSE, Calif. — Jan. 16, 2007 — Adobe Systems Incorporated  
(Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced Adobe® RoboHelp® 6, a complete,  
flexible and user-friendly system to create, manage and publish  
software help systems, knowledge bases and documentation for desktop  
and Web-based applications. As a key element of Adobe's technical  
communications product line-up, which includes Adobe FrameMaker®,  
Adobe Captivate(TM) and Adobe Acrobat®, RoboHelp 6 provides all the  
desktop functionality that authors need to create advanced Help  
content, including table of contents, index, glossary, graphics,  
special effects and context-sensitive Help. Adobe RoboHelp Server 6,  
also introduced today, provides powerful server features that ensure  
the delivery of up-to-date online content, with real-time tracking of  
how end-users engage with the help system that provides valuable  
feedback to Help publishers.


Adobe RoboHelp 6 is a major release and a key milestone in the  
product's 15-year history,” said Don Walker, senior director of  
product marketing and business development at Adobe. RoboHelp 6  
strongly reinforces Adobe's commitment to the technical  
communications market, giving authors what they need to easily  
develop, manage and maintain intuitive software help systems and  
knowledge bases.”


RoboHelp has consistently led the market for the past decade,  
providing superior usability and productivity, said Ron Linyard,  
President and CEO of Unwired Software and former VP of Engineering  
for eHelp. The software is compatible with a host of formats and  
leverages the benefits of other Adobe products to give users a richer  
experience than other tools provide.”


With this release, Adobe has consolidated the Adobe RoboHelp product  
family into two simple and powerful choices — Adobe RoboHelp 6 for  
authoring and Adobe RoboHelp 6 Server for the delivery of online  
content. Users of RoboHelp 6 also benefit from the integration of  
Adobe Captivate 2 for improved workflow and more engaging content  
with simulations and demonstrations. In addition, users can automate  
the building of their help at a predetermined time using command line  
compilation. Conditional Table of Contents (TOC) allows for greater  
control and customization of table of contents. With User Defined  
Variables, changes can be made just once, but seen everywhere in  
Help. Updated Adobe RoboSource Control provides an unique source  
document and version control system for Windows and Web development  
for both individual users and collaborative teams. Adobe PDF creation  
generates support for hyperlinks  bookmarks and enables accessible  
PDFs. Built-in RoboScreenCapture means users don't need to invest in  
a separate application to create and edit screen shots.


RoboHelp Server 6 extends and supports the capabilities of Adobe  
RoboHelp 6 to provide a complete online Help and Knowledge Base  
solution. Authors can easily deploy and manage up-to-date online  
content, control and monitor the use of Web-based Help systems in  
real time through a new web-based remote interface, and develop Help  
systems for use with the Microsoft .NET Framework. Also, RoboHelp  
Server 6 includes FlashHelp Pro, a server-based version of FlashHelp  
and provides connectivity with Oracle and SQL databases, formerly  
sold separately in the RoboEngine Connectivity Pack.


Adobe RoboHelp 6 gives users more choices to create and publish  
content. Users can import a variety of content created in Microsoft  
Word, Adobe FrameMaker, Adobe PDF, XML and other help projects and  
then publish the content in popular help formats including FlashHelp,  
WebHelp, HTML help, WinHelp, HTML, JavaHelp, OracleHelp for Java and  
even printed documentation output in Adobe PDF and Microsoft Word.  
The customization of content is made easier with conditional text and  
new features like TOC and user defined variables.


Pricing and Availability

RoboHelp 6 and RoboHelp 6 Server are available for purchase today for  
Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Support for Windows Vista will be added  
in 2007. The estimated street price for Adobe RoboHelp 6 is US$999  
and US$1999 for Adobe RoboHelp 6 Server. Previous users of RoboHelp  
and RoboInfo can upgrade to Adobe RoboHelp 6 and RoboHelp Server 6  
for an estimated street price of US$499 and US$999, respectively.  
Volume discounts and government and education licensing are also  
available to eligible customers. To learn more about Adobe RoboHelp 6  
and Adobe RoboHelp Server 6, please visit 

FYI: Adobe Releases Major Upgrade to RoboHelp

[Dov Isaacs]

 

 -Original Message-
 From: Adobe Systems Incorporated
 Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:04 PM
 Subject: Adobe Releases Major Upgrade to RoboHelp
 
 ( BW)(CA-ADOBE-SYSTEMS)(ADBE) Adobe Releases Major Upgrade to RoboHelp
 
 Adobe RoboHelp 6 Eases Creation, Management and Publishing of
 Intuitive Software Help Systems and Knowledge Bases
 
 Business Editors/High-Tech Editors
 
 SAN JOSE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 16, 2007--Adobe Systems
 Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced Adobe(R) RoboHelp(R) 6, a
 complete, flexible and user-friendly system to create, manage and
 publish software help systems, knowledge bases and documentation for
 desktop and Web-based applications. As a key element of Adobe's
 technical communications product line-up, which includes Adobe
 FrameMaker(R), Adobe Captivate(TM) and Adobe Acrobat(R), RoboHelp 6
 provides all the desktop functionality that authors need to create
 advanced Help content, including table of contents, index, glossary,
 graphics, special effects and context-sensitive Help. Adobe RoboHelp
 Server 6, also introduced today, provides powerful server features
 that ensure the delivery of up-to-date online content, with real-time
 tracking of how end-users engage with the help system that provides
 valuable feedback to Help publishers.
 
 Adobe RoboHelp 6 is a major release and a key milestone in the
 product's 15-year history, said Don Walker, senior director of
 product marketing and business development at Adobe. RoboHelp 6
 strongly reinforces Adobe's commitment to the technical communications
 market, giving authors what they need to easily develop, manage and
 maintain intuitive software help systems and knowledge bases.
 
 RoboHelp has consistently led the market for the past decade,
 providing superior usability and productivity, said Ron Linyard,
 President and CEO of Unwired Software and former VP of Engineering for
 eHelp. The software is compatible with a host of formats and
 leverages the benefits of other Adobe products to give users a richer
 experience than other tools provide.
 
 With this release, Adobe has consolidated the Adobe RoboHelp
 product family into two simple and powerful choices -- Adobe RoboHelp
 6 for authoring and Adobe RoboHelp 6 Server for the delivery of online
 content. Users of RoboHelp 6 also benefit from the integration of
 Adobe Captivate 2 for improved workflow and more engaging content with
 simulations and demonstrations. In addition, users can automate the
 building of their help at a predetermined time using command line
 compilation. Conditional Table of Contents (TOC) allows for greater
 control and customization of table of contents. With User Defined
 Variables, changes can be made just once, but seen everywhere in Help.
 Updated Adobe RoboSource Control provides an unique source document
 and version control system for Windows and Web development for both
 individual users and collaborative teams. Adobe PDF creation generates
 support for hyperlinks  bookmarks and enables accessible PDFs.
 Built-in RoboScreenCapture means users don't need to invest in a
 separate application to create and edit screen shots.
 
 RoboHelp Server 6 extends and supports the capabilities of Adobe
 RoboHelp 6 to provide a complete online Help and Knowledge Base
 solution. Authors can easily deploy and manage up-to-date online
 content, control and monitor the use of Web-based Help systems in real
 time through a new web-based remote interface, and develop Help
 systems for use with the Microsoft .NET Framework. Also, RoboHelp
 Server 6 includes FlashHelp Pro, a server-based version of FlashHelp
 and provides connectivity with Oracle and SQL databases, formerly sold
 separately in the RoboEngine Connectivity Pack.
 
 Adobe RoboHelp 6 gives users more choices to create and publish
 content. Users can import a variety of content created in Microsoft
 Word, Adobe FrameMaker, Adobe PDF, XML and other help projects and
 then publish the content in popular help formats including FlashHelp,
 WebHelp, HTML help, WinHelp, HTML, JavaHelp, OracleHelp for Java and
 even printed documentation output in Adobe PDF and Microsoft Word. The
 customization of content is made easier with conditional text and new
 features like TOC and user defined variables.
 
 Pricing and Availability
 
 RoboHelp 6 and RoboHelp 6 Server are available for purchase today
 for Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Support for Windows Vista will be
 added in 2007. The estimated street price for Adobe RoboHelp 6 is
 US$999 and US$1999 for Adobe RoboHelp 6 Server. Previous users of
 RoboHelp and RoboInfo can upgrade to Adobe RoboHelp 6 and RoboHelp
 Server 6 for an estimated street price of US$499 and US$999,
 respectively. Volume discounts and government and education licensing
 are also available to eligible customers. To learn more about Adobe
 RoboHelp 6 and Adobe RoboHelp Server 6, please visit
 www.adobe.com/go/robohelp. For 

FrameMaker RTL languages

[Jan Gosen]

Hi all,
We are currently advising a client on which package to use for their
technical documentation. 
However, one of the requirements of this customer is translation into
RLT languages. 
FrameMaker does not support these languages, but I remember someone
mentioning in this list that FrameMaker can be customized to support
Arabic. 
Does anyone have experience with this, and does it work well?
 
Any hints will be greatly appreciated.
 
 
___ 
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Translators International BV 
www.translators.nl
+31 402 551010



 
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Re: PDF to framemaker

[hn [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Diane Gaskill wrote:
 ... but not TableCleaner Pro.   I
 forget, is that one of Bruce' Foster's apps or did Chris Despopulous write
 it?   I'll check the website and get it if needed.
   
Hi Diane,

I'm also worked with FM since 1994. I think the most of us worked with
FM over 8 to 10 years, so practice is not
something we need, but we all
- need tips and tricks and
- want to make our knowledge available and
- want to help.

In that respect: 
The TableCleaner comes from Rick Quattro and it is the only tool (in my
knowledge) for this purpose.

WoK
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Question about glossary terms

[Roger Bell]

I am creating unstructured guides in FrameMaker 7.2. The guides are
primarily for print, but our customers also received PDF copies.
 
There are terms that I need to define, so I have created a glossary. I
want to use a visual indicator, so that anyone using either the print or
the PDF guide would know that a term is defined in the glossary.
 
So far I have been using a graphic question mark icon that I place
directly beside a term. I describe the meaning of the icon in the
typographical conventions section of each guide's introduction.
 
Any thoughts on a better way to indicate glossary entries? I am not
wanting to use a cross-reference or hyperlink in particular, but I'm
willing to consider all suggestions.
 
Regards,
Roger Bell
Technical Writer
770.246.2300 x 1181
VCG, Inc.
The power to succeed.
www.vcgsoftware.com http://www.vcgsoftware.com/ 
1805 Old Alabama Road, Suite 250
Roswell, GA 30076
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RE: FrameMaker RTL languages

[Martinek, Carla]

Getting Frame to work in Arabic involves hacking the registry, among
other things.  I don't know the specific details that my translators
used, but it was fairly complex and troublesome.  They use it for some
small (1-2 pages) items that we need done, but for anything longer they
convert it to InDesign after translation and do the DTP there.

Perhaps we can hope for Unicode and RTL support in FrameMaker 8!

-Carla




 

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Subject: FrameMaker  RTL languages

Hi all,
We are currently advising a client on which package to use for their
technical documentation. 
However, one of the requirements of this customer is translation into
RLT languages. 
FrameMaker does not support these languages, but I remember someone
mentioning in this list that FrameMaker can be customized to support
Arabic. 
Does anyone have experience with this, and does it work well?
 
Any hints will be greatly appreciated.
 
 
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Re: techniques to indicate hyperlinks in frame

[Shlomo Perets]

Kevin,

You wrote:


... I'm looking for a simple but effective technique of visually
indicating, in the PDF version of the guide, that certain text strings
are hyperlinks.
Ideally, this technique would be invisible in the print version, where
the links obviously wouldn't work. ...


A simple solution, available with Acrobat/Reader 6 and higher, is to have a 
screen-only underline property for links. (This underline also looks much 
better than the standard FM underline, which is often displayed as having 
inconsistent thickness).


For more information and sample files, see 
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html#19


You can change link properties in Acrobat (for all links at, once in recent 
versions of Acrobat),  after the PDF file is created. (It is also possible 
to automate this process with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers, so that you 
get the desired properties automatically and consistently upon distilling).



Shlomo Perets

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RE: FrameMaker RTL languages

[Ann Zdunczyk]

Unicode but I would hold my breath for RTL at the moment.

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Subject: RE: FrameMaker  RTL languages

Getting Frame to work in Arabic involves hacking the registry, among other
things.  I don't know the specific details that my translators used, but it
was fairly complex and troublesome.  They use it for some small (1-2 pages)
items that we need done, but for anything longer they convert it to InDesign
after translation and do the DTP there.

Perhaps we can hope for Unicode and RTL support in FrameMaker 8!

-Carla




 

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Subject: FrameMaker  RTL languages

Hi all,
We are currently advising a client on which package to use for their
technical documentation. 
However, one of the requirements of this customer is translation into RLT
languages. 
FrameMaker does not support these languages, but I remember someone
mentioning in this list that FrameMaker can be customized to support
Arabic. 
Does anyone have experience with this, and does it work well?
 
Any hints will be greatly appreciated.
 
 
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Re: Expanding fonts...

[Art Campbell]

In maker.ini, do you have the WYSIWYG setting for printer fonts turned on?
As in:

;
; Space characters within a line using printer font metrics.
;
; Adobe FrameMaker always uses printer font metrics to calculate where
; linebreaks and pagebreaks occur. However, by default, the relative
; position of each character within a line is displayed on the screen
; using screen font metrics. This looks better on the screen but is
; misleading in that the positions of characters within a line on a
; printed page may be different than on a displayed page. In particular,
; if you are trying to position a graphic relative to a character in a
; line, you should change this setting to On which results in the
; the use of printer font metrics when displaying lines.
;
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=ON

Art


On 1/15/07, Dodd, Frank J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


When printing FM pages the fonts mysteriously expand on the page and
will overlap/underlap inserted graphics.. Tried different printers with
no luck.
Any suggestions?

Frank
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Re: Expanding fonts...

[Art Campbell]

Well, the fact that it isn't there is REALLY interesting.

Are you looking at the maker.ini in your FM install directory, or a
personal copy? I've never seen a C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2\maker.ini that didn't have it.

So if it is missing, I'd say yes, it'd be safe to add it; you can
always remove it if it does something unexpected.

Art

On 1/16/07, Dodd, Frank J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This is interesting...  DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=ON does not exist
in my Maker INI file... Maybe I should add it?
Thanks for the response.
Frank

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To: Dodd, Frank J
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Expanding fonts...

In maker.ini, do you have the WYSIWYG setting for printer fonts turned
on?
As in:

;
; Space characters within a line using printer font metrics.
;
; Adobe FrameMaker always uses printer font metrics to calculate where ;
linebreaks and pagebreaks occur. However, by default, the relative ;
position of each character within a line is displayed on the screen ;
using screen font metrics. This looks better on the screen but is ;
misleading in that the positions of characters within a line on a ;
printed page may be different than on a displayed page. In particular, ;
if you are trying to position a graphic relative to a character in a ;
line, you should change this setting to On which results in the ; the
use of printer font metrics when displaying lines.
;
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=ON

Art


On 1/15/07, Dodd, Frank J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When printing FM pages the fonts mysteriously expand on the page and
 will overlap/underlap inserted graphics.. Tried different printers
 with no luck.
 Any suggestions?

 Frank
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Re: Question about glossary terms

[Rene Stephenson]

Using colored text, such as green, could be helpful so that they can easily 
identify the defined/linked term at a glance. For instance, if the term used is 
a phrase like gain fluctuation or return loss, so that they don't think you're 
just defining fluctuation and loss, respectively.
   
  HTH
  Rene Stephenson

Roger Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am creating unstructured guides in FrameMaker 7.2. The guides are
primarily for print, but our customers also received PDF copies.

There are terms that I need to define, so I have created a glossary. I
want to use a visual indicator, so that anyone using either the print or
the PDF guide would know that a term is defined in the glossary.

So far I have been using a graphic question mark icon that I place
directly beside a term. I describe the meaning of the icon in the
typographical conventions section of each guide's introduction.

Any thoughts on a better way to indicate glossary entries? I am not
wanting to use a cross-reference or hyperlink in particular, but I'm
willing to consider all suggestions.

Regards,
Roger Bell
Technical Writer
770.246.2300 x 1181
VCG, Inc.
The power to succeed.
www.vcgsoftware.com 
1805 Old Alabama Road, Suite 250
Roswell, GA 30076
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New mouse issue (again)

[Jennifer Randel]

Hi everyone, 
I know that this comes up on the list occasionally, but I haven't saved
the information because I never thought it would happen to me.  :-)~

Our IT department installed a new Logitech trackball on my PC and the
darned thing won't scroll in FM (6.0p405). 

Can anyone offer a solution? I'm the only person in our organization
that uses FrameMaker, so it's not like IT knows a lot about the
application.

Thanks in advance, 
Jennifer 
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RE: New mouse issue (again)

[Charles Beck]

Hi Jennifer,

Try Flywheel. Best thing I've found. In fact, it's the only thing I've
found that will work on my system (Windows XP, SP2). Fantastic little
piece of freeware!

You can find it at:
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,23737-order,1-page,1-c,alldown
loads/description.html?findid=43724 

Just follow the directions on that page to install and register it.
(You'll see what I mean.)

Enjoy!
Chuck
 

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Subject: New mouse issue (again)

Hi everyone,
I know that this comes up on the list occasionally, but I haven't saved
the information because I never thought it would happen to me.  :-)~

Our IT department installed a new Logitech trackball on my PC and the
darned thing won't scroll in FM (6.0p405). 

Can anyone offer a solution? I'm the only person in our organization
that uses FrameMaker, so it's not like IT knows a lot about the
application.

Thanks in advance,
Jennifer
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Re: New to the list, and asking for help

[quills]

Pedro,

Using a pure editor to tag your document with XML tags is fine. It 
won't print anything but text, including the structure tags for all 
to see.


The EDD is the translation document that assigns the format tags to 
the structure tags. The FrameMaker template contains the formatting 
instructions for the output. The rules provide instructions for 
converting to formatting.


The structure document is pure text, and only text. It contains no 
presentation information like formatting. The EDD and template 
provide the formatting information for presentation. Do not fall into 
the fallacy that a XSLT or CSS will provide a formatted document that 
you can print from. XSLT can transform it but it takes a great deal 
of work to get one to output printed format. CSS is only for web 
presentation.


Even using things like Epic Editor, you still have to have the DTD 
and a separate style document to produce a format for presentation. 
FrameMaker provides both aspects in one package.


Scott


At 4:37 PM +0100 1/16/07, Pedro Pastor wrote:

I am new to this list. I was lurking for a while and I finally decided
to show up.

My main interest in FrameMaker is for XML-documents authoring tasks. I
am quite new to FrameMaker (few weeks experience, 7.2 installed), but I
have a good background and experience working with XML technologies.

The first impression when learning Structured FM is double:

-  An impressive tool.
-  Weird and complicated way of dealing with XML.

Maybe the troubles I've found come from my inexperience developing
structured applications in FM, but I cannot fully understand the aim
behind the (so called) XML-roundtrip editing

1)   I cannot understand how to clearly separate structure from
presentation in FM. If EDD contains structure and presentation
information we are against the main principles of SGML/XML document
design!!

2)   It seems like there are two placeholders for storing
presentation information: Templates and EDD documents. This could be
redundant, I mean, the same presentation definition data could be store
on both places.

3)   In addition to this, Template document could have structure
associated with it (via importing EDD document). Then we get just
another way of associating structure to documents, apart from the DTD
specification!!).

4)   When working with XML applications like DocBook, I don't
understand the need for Rules just to change capital letters. It seems
like FM is not working internally in XDocBook when you choose to work
with an XDocBook application. In fact, the structure generated by FM is
not even DocBook 4.x compliant.


 It seems to me that this roundtrip is  trying to match a mature legacy
product (Structured FrameMaker) with the new emergent XML technologies,
but it is not intended for XML authoring (as its main objective). At
this point, (it seems)  it is easy to me to produce XML documentation
(using whatever DTD I'd like) by means of more developer-oriented XML
editors like XML_Spy or Oxygen together with XSLT+CSS style-sheets then
all the burden of taming Structured FM for this purpose.

I'm sure I should have misunderstood something in this picture, and
that's the reason why I ask for the help of the experienced FM users.

Thank you very much.

Pedro Pastor
Software Engineering Department.
University of Alicante
Spain


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Missing Change Bars...

[Dodd, Frank J]

 Most of the work I perform is modifying legacy documents and
documenting these changes. Some of the changes I make to documents are
quite extensive and span the whole document. I am required to track the
changes and I do this by using the change bars (a new discovery for me
in FM). I then print the document and send it out for review with notes
on the reason for the changes. Unfortunately, I found that the change
bars show on the screen but don't print. Let me clarify - they print for
changes I made in graphics and headers but in the main body text they
just disappear on the print.
Any help?

Frank
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Re: New to the list, and asking for help

[Daniel Emory]

--- Pedro Pastor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe the troubles I've found come from my
 inexperience developing structured applications in
FM, but I cannot fully understand the aim
 behind the (so called) XML-roundtrip editing.
==
Assuming that the documentation you are creating and
updating/editing is accomplished by human beings, you
can avoid XML-roundtripping only by having your
writers create/modify tagged XML. If you expect to
have any semblance of a productive authoring
environment, you must round-trip the XML into some
sort of authoring product which provides the numerous
bells and whistles needed to hide XML internals from
your authors. Most XML editing produces are not
WYSIWYG, and thus in those editors authors see
something that is not a facsimile of what human
readers will see when they retrieve those documents. 

Structured FrameMaker is just as much an XML editor as
any of the other ones. It provides an automated way to
import XML instances into FrameMaker, preserving all
the XML internals, and at the end of an editing
session, it provides an automated way to export the
work product back into fully conformant tagged XML
output.

The extra feature of FrameMaker is that it avoids the
necessity of having to use the clunky and
difficult-to-implement XML tools used to accomplish
acceptable formatting and layout needed to make
documents that are highly readable and effective for
human users. That is, FrameMaker, in addition to being
a powerul way to create documents, can also serve as a
powerful print engine for delivering high-quality,
eminently readable, technical documents in paper or
PDF format. 
==
 1) I cannot understand how to clearly separate
 structure from presentation in FM. If EDD contains 
 structure and presentation
 information we are against the main principles of
 SGML/XML document
 design!!
=
Gee, the idea behind FrameMaker is to have the best of
both worlds. Desktop publishing systems like
FrameMaker have highly sophisticated formatting and
layout capabilities. You can, however, completely
ignore presentation in an EDD simply by declaring that
all text will use a single paragraph style. If, on the
other hand, you decide to exploit Frames exquisite
presentation capabilities, you can export a structured
Frame document to XML or SGML, and none of that
formatting information gets exported, hence it in no
way violates the canons of XML or SGML.
 
The fact is that both SGML and XML provide a set of
clunky, insufficient and unwieldy tools for delivering
formatted output for printing or on-line display. The
FrameMaker EDD offers a far more robust and elegant
method for producing high-wuality presnetations.
==
 2) It seems like there are two placeholders
 for storing presentation information: Templates and
EDD documents. This could be
 redundant, I mean, the same presentation definition
 data could be store
 on both places.
===
Again you denigrate a powerful feature of Frame. The
EDD specifies the names of paragraph, character and
other types of formatting tags based on element
context. Templates are used to specify the formatting
details for each such tag. There are two advantages to
this. First, you can change the formatting (e.g.,
fonts, sizes, etc.) without disturbing the EDD.
Second, you can create multiple template versions for
the same EDD, allowing you to deliver differently
formatted documents which meet the requirements of
different types of users or different types of
documents created from the same EDD. Another feature
of the EDD is format change lists, which allow certain
parameters (e.g., indents, fonr size, autonumbering)
of a given format tag to be modified in different
structural contexts. 
===
 3)   In addition to this, Template document
 could have structure
 associated with it (via importing EDD document).
 Then we get just
 another way of associating structure to documents,
 apart from the DTD
 specification!!).

Wrong again. A DTD contains no formatting information.
You create an EDD. Then you import that EDD into an
empty FrameMaker document, and the EDD seeds the
empty document with all the EDD's structure rules as
well as all the formatting tags defined in the EDD.
Then the designer defines the parameters of each
EDD-defined format tag. If your production needs
require different presentations for different
customers or different types of documents (all created
from the same EDD), You create more than one
structured template for the same EDD, and design the
formatting of each version of the template to meet
specific formatting and layout requirements.

To create a new structured document, you select the
appropriate template file and apply it to a new
(empty)FrameMaker file. 

Re: [ANN] Adobe Announces RoboHelp 6

[T.W. Smith]

Does it run on the new version of Windows?


On 1/16/07, Scott Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Received this in my inbox. It certainly ends the RoboHelp is dead
discussion and will cause competitors to find a new sales strategy as
they can no longer rely on the RoboHelp replacement message.

Cheers,

Scott Abel
TheContentWrangler.com


Adobe Releases Major Upgrade to RoboHelp

Adobe RoboHelp 6 Eases Creation, Management and Publishing of
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RE: New mouse issue (again)

[Diane Gaskill]

Just what I needed.  It works great.  THANKS Chuck!

But I noticed something. When you download it, you get a 30-day trial copy.  
Then you must buy it.  But it costs only $10.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Charles Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Jan 16, 2007 2:05 PM
To: Jennifer Randel [EMAIL PROTECTED], Framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: New mouse issue (again)

Hi Jennifer,

Try Flywheel. Best thing I've found. In fact, it's the only thing I've
found that will work on my system (Windows XP, SP2). Fantastic little
piece of freeware!

You can find it at:
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,23737-order,1-page,1-c,alldown
loads/description.html?findid=43724 

Just follow the directions on that page to install and register it.
(You'll see what I mean.)

Enjoy!
Chuck
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jennifer Randel
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:52 PM
To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: New mouse issue (again)

Hi everyone,
I know that this comes up on the list occasionally, but I haven't saved
the information because I never thought it would happen to me.  :-)~

Our IT department installed a new Logitech trackball on my PC and the
darned thing won't scroll in FM (6.0p405). 

Can anyone offer a solution? I'm the only person in our organization
that uses FrameMaker, so it's not like IT knows a lot about the
application.

Thanks in advance,
Jennifer
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RE: New mouse issue (again)

[Paul Grigg]

Try freewheel:

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html

Paul 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:13 AM
To: Charles Beck; Jennifer Randel; Framers@lists.frameusers.com
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Subject: RE: New mouse issue (again)

Just what I needed.  It works great.  THANKS Chuck!

But I noticed something. When you download it, you get a 30-day trial copy.
Then you must buy it.  But it costs only $10.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Charles Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Jan 16, 2007 2:05 PM
To: Jennifer Randel [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
Framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: New mouse issue (again)

Hi Jennifer,

Try Flywheel. Best thing I've found. In fact, it's the only thing I've 
found that will work on my system (Windows XP, SP2). Fantastic little 
piece of freeware!

You can find it at:
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,23737-order,1-page,1-c,alldow
n
loads/description.html?findid=43724

Just follow the directions on that page to install and register it.
(You'll see what I mean.)

Enjoy!
Chuck
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Jennifer Randel
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:52 PM
To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: New mouse issue (again)

Hi everyone,
I know that this comes up on the list occasionally, but I haven't saved 
the information because I never thought it would happen to me.  :-)~

Our IT department installed a new Logitech trackball on my PC and the 
darned thing won't scroll in FM (6.0p405).

Can anyone offer a solution? I'm the only person in our organization 
that uses FrameMaker, so it's not like IT knows a lot about the 
application.

Thanks in advance,
Jennifer
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RTF to framemaker

[Caroline Tabach]

What do you mean when you say
"import the doc into a Frame template"
Can you explain more fully?

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From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Matt Sullivan
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker

I don't use the RTF to Frame filter, but instead import the .doc into a
Frame template to eliminate the "generic" master pages and catalogs created
when using Frame to "open" the doc directly.

The resulting Word import filter does a fine job of importing, but doesn't
address inconsistencies and workarounds in the Word file. 

Result:
-Graphics and tables often require manipulation
-Paragraph format overrides from Word still need to be addressed
-The Find/Change gets heavy usage to correct duplicated autonumbering (Much
of Word's autonumbering is treated as content rather than formatting)

I tell folks requiring conversion that the cost of the conversion lies
mainly in developing appropriate templates, and in addressing the Word
author's lack of consistency.

-Matt Sullivan



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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Hi all,

Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing
up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame.  Especially the
RTF to FM filter.  It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are
about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800
pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the job of
convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to
pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more
companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there
from Word.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Rick Quatro; Diane Gaskill; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


(1) There are "a lot of people within Adobe" who
don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either!

(2) Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to
FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign "converter" at
least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of
these programs understand the problems of trying to
do such reverse engineering of a PDF file.

PDF is a "final form" document format. It does not have
the context of the graphical objects it represents.
At best, if you produce a "tagged" PDF, a "converter"
can make some guesses as to the original document
structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables,
but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability
as well as the third party products out there try to
make good guesses as the original formatting, but that
is about the best they can do. Very little context of
a FrameMaker or InDesign document remains in the
resultant PDF file, so any attempt to go back to those
formats is somewhat doomed. If we were to supply "converters"
back to those formats, users expectations would be set
to a level that we could not deliver to.

Conversions from PDF should be viewed as and only be used
for emergency retrieval of content that has no other
means of being retrieved. We provide an RTF converter
simply because just about every text consuming program out
there can open or import content in RTF and that does satisfy
most of our customer's needs in terms of such emergency
retrieval.

- Dov



> -Original Message-
>
> I am sure there are a lot of people within Adobe that don't
> know what FrameMaker is.
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> > It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has
included
> > a function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of
> > their competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file
> > formats.  Perhaps there is not enough demand for PDF->FM?
> >
> > Diane

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PDF to framemaker

[Caroline Tabach]

The issue is that embedded graphics in Frame is found by many people to not be 
a useful way of working.
If you have a large number of documents which are going to be updated, and 
their graphics will change, then using referenced files is much better (IMHO).  
There are actually a lot more advantages, but I have forgotten them.
Part of the move from Word to FrameMaker is changing from using embedded 
graphics to referenced graphics. As someone mentioned, if we did not have 
access to the original files, using "save as html" on the Word files got the 
graphics out (it took me about a week to fix the graphics in our set of books 
when we made the transfer).

Moving all of your documentation from Word to Frame is indeed a major project, 
on the other hand it is an excellent way to get to know Frame's capabilities 
and practice working on it.

There are a number of utilities out there to help in the transfer process, 
including Table cleaner, which we could not have managed without, and various 
tools for working with tags.


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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Diane Gaskill
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:03 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Embedded graphics in Word do not come across with the text.  In fact, most
RTF files with graphics in them crash the filter.  It simily stops.  After a
few seconds, it displays an error message about not being able to continue.
This happens with anything except very small files (one or two pages).  Yes,
I realize that Word has many problems (ok, it's full of bugs) and that is
one of the reasons we are switching to FM.

Does Adobe have any recommendations for prepping the word file before trying
to import it?  When previoiusly trying to convert files, I've removed all
the graphics and that helped a lot.  But I assume we shouldn't have to do
that if the filter worked as it is supposed to.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:33 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


You could/should be a bit more specific about what you mean
by Adobe "fixing up the RTF to FM filter." If you are finding
bugs, by all means officially report them!

You should be aware that many of the "RTF to anything else"
conversion issues do relate to inconsistencies between how
Microsoft itself produces and/or interprets RTF in various
versions and releases of Word. Even within a particular version
of Word, you can see discrepancies. Many of these have to do
with character encodings, especially anything other than
base ASCII characters! This is especially true if you are
copying text from old Word documents from times prior to that
in which Unicode was supported.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
>
> Hi all,
>
> Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever
> consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that
> come with Frame.  Especially the RTF to FM filter.  It would
> be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert
> their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages,
> believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the
> job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame
> if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us.
>
> Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering
> that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had
> an easy way to get there from Word.
>
> Diane

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RTF to framemaker: importing a Word file into a Frame template

[Inbar, Paul]

I don't know where I've been, but this business about importing the Word file 
into an existing Frame file/template was an incredible insight for me. As a 
quick trial I created a word template that has the same style names we use in 
the Frame template. I then opened the Frame template, chose File > Import > 
File..., selected the desired .doc file, selected the Copy into Document radio 
button, and pressed Import. In the Unknown File Type dialog that appeared, I 
chose Microsoft Word (it was the default selection), and pressed Convert. In 
the Import Text Flow by Copy dialog, I checked the Body Page Flow and Reformat 
Using Current Document's Catalogs, and also checked the Remove Manual Page 
breaks and Other Overrides checkboxes. The result was a VERY clean Frame 
document nicely formatted according to our Frame template. It looks like 
graphics were created and I think embedded, and while they look not too bad, 
you might want to save them out another way from the Word doc and then reimport 
them by reference. In my example, tables came out as tables, but not in the 
table format I usually use. In Frame I converted the tables to text and then 
back to table to get the table format I wanted. Still, for a 15 minute trial, I 
was very impressed by this method!  

By the way, I am using Frame 7.2.

Paul  

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From: framers-bounces+paul.inbar=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+paul.inbar=intel@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Caroline Tabach
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:49 AM
To: Matt Sullivan; Framers List
Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker

What do you mean when you say
"import the doc into a Frame template"
Can you explain more fully?

Caroline?Tabach
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Matt Sullivan
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker

I don't use the RTF to Frame filter, but instead import the .doc into a
Frame template to eliminate the "generic" master pages and catalogs created
when using Frame to "open" the doc directly.

The resulting Word import filter does a fine job of importing, but doesn't
address inconsistencies and workarounds in the Word file. 

Result:
-Graphics and tables often require manipulation
-Paragraph format overrides from Word still need to be addressed
-The Find/Change gets heavy usage to correct duplicated autonumbering (Much
of Word's autonumbering is treated as content rather than formatting)

I tell folks requiring conversion that the cost of the conversion lies
mainly in developing appropriate templates, and in addressing the Word
author's lack of consistency.

-Matt Sullivan



GRAFIX Training, Inc.

An Adobe Authorized Training Center

www.grafixtraining.com

888 882-2819 


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Hi all,

Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing
up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame.  Especially the
RTF to FM filter.  It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are
about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800
pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the job of
convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to
pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more
companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there
from Word.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Rick Quatro; Diane Gaskill; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


(1) There are "a lot of people within Adobe" who
don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either!

(2) Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to
FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign "converter" at
least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of
these programs understand the problems of trying to
do such reverse engineering of a PDF file.

PDF is a "final form" document format. It does not have
the context of the graphical objects it represents.
At best, if you produce a "tagged" PDF, a "converter"
can make some guesses as to the original document
structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables,
but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability
as well as the third party products out there try to
make good guesses as the 

[ANN] Adobe Announces RoboHelp 6

[Scott Abel]

Received this in my inbox. It certainly ends the "RoboHelp is dead"  
discussion and will cause competitors to find a new sales strategy as  
they can no longer rely on the "RoboHelp replacement" message.

Cheers,

Scott Abel
TheContentWrangler.com


Adobe Releases Major Upgrade to RoboHelp

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and Web-based applications. As a key element of Adobe's technical  
communications product line-up, which includes Adobe FrameMaker?,  
Adobe Captivate(TM) and Adobe Acrobat?, RoboHelp 6 provides all the  
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FrameMaker & RTL languages

[Jan Gosen]

Hi all,
We are currently advising a client on which package to use for their
technical documentation. 
However, one of the requirements of this customer is translation into
RLT languages. 
FrameMaker does not support these languages, but I remember someone
mentioning in this list that FrameMaker can be "customized" to support
Arabic. 
Does anyone have experience with this, and does it work well?

Any hints will be greatly appreciated.


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PDF to framemaker

[Wolfgang Ku"hn]

Diane Gaskill wrote:
> ... but not TableCleaner Pro.   I
> forget, is that one of Bruce' Foster's apps or did Chris Despopulous write
> it?   I'll check the website and get it if needed.
>   
Hi Diane,

I'm also worked with FM since 1994. I think the most of us worked with
FM over 8 to 10 years, so practice is not
something we need, but we all
- need tips and tricks and
- want to make our knowledge available and
- want to help.

In that respect: 
The TableCleaner comes from Rick Quattro and it is the only tool (in my
knowledge) for this purpose.

WoK

Question about glossary terms

[Roger Bell]

I am creating unstructured guides in FrameMaker 7.2. The guides are
primarily for print, but our customers also received PDF copies.

There are terms that I need to define, so I have created a glossary. I
want to use a visual indicator, so that anyone using either the print or
the PDF guide would know that a term is defined in the glossary.

So far I have been using a graphic question mark icon that I place
directly beside a term. I describe the meaning of the icon in the
typographical conventions section of each guide's introduction.

Any thoughts on a better way to indicate glossary entries? I am not
wanting to use a cross-reference or hyperlink in particular, but I'm
willing to consider all suggestions.

Regards,
Roger Bell
Technical Writer
770.246.2300 x 1181
VCG, Inc.
The power to succeed.
www.vcgsoftware.com  
1805 Old Alabama Road, Suite 250
Roswell, GA 30076
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FrameMaker & RTL languages

[Martinek, Carla]

Getting Frame to work in Arabic involves hacking the registry, among
other things.  I don't know the specific details that my translators
used, but it was fairly complex and troublesome.  They use it for some
small (1-2 pages) items that we need done, but for anything longer they
convert it to InDesign after translation and do the DTP there.

Perhaps we can hope for Unicode and RTL support in FrameMaker 8!

-Carla






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[mailto:framers-bounces+cmartinek=zebra.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:54 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker & RTL languages

Hi all,
We are currently advising a client on which package to use for their
technical documentation. 
However, one of the requirements of this customer is translation into
RLT languages. 
FrameMaker does not support these languages, but I remember someone
mentioning in this list that FrameMaker can be "customized" to support
Arabic. 
Does anyone have experience with this, and does it work well?

Any hints will be greatly appreciated.


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techniques to indicate hyperlinks in frame

[Shlomo Perets]

Kevin,

You wrote:

>... I'm looking for a simple but effective technique of visually
>indicating, in the PDF version of the guide, that certain text strings
>are hyperlinks.
>Ideally, this technique would be invisible in the print version, where
>the links obviously wouldn't work. ...

A simple solution, available with Acrobat/Reader 6 and higher, is to have a 
screen-only underline property for links. (This underline also looks much 
better than the standard FM underline, which is often displayed as having 
inconsistent thickness).

For more information and sample files, see 
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html#19

You can change link properties in Acrobat (for all links at, once in recent 
versions of Acrobat),  after the PDF file is created. (It is also possible 
to automate this process with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers, so that you 
get the desired properties automatically and consistently upon distilling).


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Expanding fonts...

[Art Campbell]

In maker.ini, do you have the WYSIWYG setting for printer fonts turned on?
As in:

;
; Space characters within a line using printer font metrics.
;
; Adobe FrameMaker always uses printer font metrics to calculate where
; linebreaks and pagebreaks occur. However, by default, the relative
; position of each character within a line is displayed on the screen
; using screen font metrics. This "looks" better on the screen but is
; misleading in that the positions of characters within a line on a
; printed page may be different than on a displayed page. In particular,
; if you are trying to position a graphic relative to a character in a
; line, you should change this setting to "On" which results in the
; the use of printer font metrics when displaying lines.
;
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=ON

Art


On 1/15/07, Dodd, Frank J  wrote:
>
> When printing FM pages the fonts mysteriously expand on the page and
> will overlap/underlap inserted graphics.. Tried different printers with
> no luck.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Frank
> ___
>
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Expanding fonts...

[Art Campbell]

Well, the fact that it isn't there is REALLY interesting.

Are you looking at the maker.ini in your FM install directory, or a
personal copy? I've never seen a C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2\maker.ini that didn't have it.

So if it is missing, I'd say yes, it'd be safe to add it; you can
always remove it if it does something unexpected.

Art

On 1/16/07, Dodd, Frank J  wrote:
> This is interesting...  "DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=ON" does not exist
> in my Maker INI file... Maybe I should add it?
> Thanks for the response.
> Frank
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:29 AM
> To: Dodd, Frank J
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Expanding fonts...
>
> In maker.ini, do you have the WYSIWYG setting for printer fonts turned
> on?
> As in:
>
> ;
> ; Space characters within a line using printer font metrics.
> ;
> ; Adobe FrameMaker always uses printer font metrics to calculate where ;
> linebreaks and pagebreaks occur. However, by default, the relative ;
> position of each character within a line is displayed on the screen ;
> using screen font metrics. This "looks" better on the screen but is ;
> misleading in that the positions of characters within a line on a ;
> printed page may be different than on a displayed page. In particular, ;
> if you are trying to position a graphic relative to a character in a ;
> line, you should change this setting to "On" which results in the ; the
> use of printer font metrics when displaying lines.
> ;
> DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=ON
>
> Art
>
>
> On 1/15/07, Dodd, Frank J  wrote:
> >
> > When printing FM pages the fonts mysteriously expand on the page and
> > will overlap/underlap inserted graphics.. Tried different printers
> > with no luck.
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Frank
> > ___
> >

-- 
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gmail.com
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Expanding fonts...

[Stuart Rogers]

Art Campbell wrote:
> Well, the fact that it isn't there is REALLY interesting.
> 
> Are you looking at the maker.ini in your FM install directory, or a
> personal copy? I've never seen a C:\Program
> Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2\maker.ini that didn't have it.
> 
> So if it is missing, I'd say yes, it'd be safe to add it; you can
> always remove it if it does something unexpected.
> 
> Art
> 
> On 1/16/07, Dodd, Frank J  wrote:
>> This is interesting...  "DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=ON" does not exist
>> in my Maker INI file... Maybe I should add it?
>> Thanks for the response.
>> Frank

Yes, don't forget that in later versions of FM, there are two locations 
for maker.ini files. (Can't remember the pathnames, but it's documented 
in the Online Manual on customizing frame; it's probably in Docs & 
Settings\USER\Application Data.)

best,

-- 
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Phoenix Geophysics Limited
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New to the list, and asking for help

[Pedro Pastor]

I am new to this list. I was lurking for a while and I finally decided
to show up.

My main interest in FrameMaker is for XML-documents authoring tasks. I
am quite new to FrameMaker (few weeks experience, 7.2 installed), but I
have a good background and experience working with XML technologies.

The first impression when learning Structured FM is double:

-  An impressive tool.
-  Weird and complicated way of dealing with XML.

Maybe the troubles I've found come from my inexperience developing
structured applications in FM, but I cannot fully understand the aim
behind the (so called) "XML-roundtrip" editing

1)   I cannot understand how to clearly separate structure from
presentation in FM. If EDD contains structure and presentation
information we are against the main principles of SGML/XML document
design!!

2)   It seems like there are two placeholders for storing
presentation information: Templates and EDD documents. This could be
redundant, I mean, the same presentation definition data could be store
on both places.

3)   In addition to this, Template document could have structure
associated with it (via importing EDD document). Then we get just
another way of associating structure to documents, apart from the DTD
specification!!).

4)   When working with XML applications like DocBook, I don't
understand the need for "Rules" just to change capital letters. It seems
like FM is not working internally in XDocBook when you choose to work
with an XDocBook application. In fact, the structure generated by FM is
not even DocBook 4.x compliant.


 It seems to me that this roundtrip is  trying to match a mature legacy
product (Structured FrameMaker) with the new emergent XML technologies,
but it is not intended for XML authoring (as its main objective). At
this point, (it seems)  it is easy to me to produce XML documentation
(using whatever DTD I'd like) by means of more "developer-oriented" XML
editors like XML_Spy or Oxygen together with XSLT+CSS style-sheets then
all the burden of taming Structured FM for this purpose.

I'm sure I should have misunderstood something in this picture, and
that's the reason why I ask for the help of the experienced FM users.

Thank you very much.

Pedro Pastor
Software Engineering Department.
University of Alicante
Spain

need a consultant

[Scott Eddleman]

Hello,

My company uses Framemaker to publish textbooks. We are probably one of
the few companies who do this and have a difficult time finding
technical consultants. We are based in Nashua, NH and would like someone
fairly local who could come in to the office at least once a month for
meetings about the work. If you are interested, please respond to this
email.

Thank you,
Scott

Scott W. Eddleman, Curriculum Manager
CPO Science
80 Northwest Boulevard
Nashua, NH 03063
Office: 866.588.6951 ext. 108
Cell: 978.479.2755

Link to file without specifying name?

[TEPLITZ Ronald]

Folks, 

I want to make a link in a PDF (created from Frame doc) that opens a
file in a specified directory without having to specify a filename.
Anyone know how to do this? 

Ron

Expanding fonts...

[Dodd, Frank J]

This is interesting...  "DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=ON" does not exist
in my Maker INI file... Maybe I should add it?
Thanks for the response.
Frank

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:29 AM
To: Dodd, Frank J
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Expanding fonts...

In maker.ini, do you have the WYSIWYG setting for printer fonts turned
on?
As in:

;
; Space characters within a line using printer font metrics.
;
; Adobe FrameMaker always uses printer font metrics to calculate where ;
linebreaks and pagebreaks occur. However, by default, the relative ;
position of each character within a line is displayed on the screen ;
using screen font metrics. This "looks" better on the screen but is ;
misleading in that the positions of characters within a line on a ;
printed page may be different than on a displayed page. In particular, ;
if you are trying to position a graphic relative to a character in a ;
line, you should change this setting to "On" which results in the ; the
use of printer font metrics when displaying lines.
;
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=ON

Art


On 1/15/07, Dodd, Frank J  wrote:
>
> When printing FM pages the fonts mysteriously expand on the page and 
> will overlap/underlap inserted graphics.. Tried different printers 
> with no luck.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Frank
> ___
>
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 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Expanding fonts...Success!

[Dodd, Frank J]

 There are actually 3 maker.ini's on my machine. Only 1 contains the
display setting (the one in the FM home directory). I modified and
rebooted and magically all my pages now have a different size font.
Worked great... Thanks for the help. 
Next problem will be in a new thread.. 
Again thanks to all who replied for the help.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:56 AM
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Expanding fonts...

Art Campbell wrote:
> Well, the fact that it isn't there is REALLY interesting.
> 
> Are you looking at the maker.ini in your FM install directory, or a 
> personal copy? I've never seen a C:\Program 
> Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2\maker.ini that didn't have it.
> 
> So if it is missing, I'd say yes, it'd be safe to add it; you can 
> always remove it if it does something unexpected.
> 
> Art
> 
> On 1/16/07, Dodd, Frank J  wrote:
>> This is interesting...  "DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=ON" does not 
>> exist in my Maker INI file... Maybe I should add it?
>> Thanks for the response.
>> Frank

Yes, don't forget that in later versions of FM, there are two locations
for maker.ini files. (Can't remember the pathnames, but it's documented
in the Online Manual on customizing frame; it's probably in Docs &
Settings\USER\Application Data.)

best,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RTF to framemaker: importing a Word file into a Frame template

[Matt Sullivan]

Thanks for the response!

That's one of the things we'd teach in our Frame Expert's class (which,
sadly, never has enough folks to run anymore)

I'm sure Caroline appreciated the unabbreviated version as well.

Nice catch on the Remove Overides checkbox. That's what removes most of
Word's autonumbering, and eliminates the manual Find/Change needed to remove
what I call "Formatting as Content"



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-Original Message-
From: Inbar, Paul [mailto:paul.in...@intel.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:43 AM
To: Caroline Tabach; Matt Sullivan; Framers List
Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker: importing a Word file into a Frame template

I don't know where I've been, but this business about importing the Word
file into an existing Frame file/template was an incredible insight for me.
As a quick trial I created a word template that has the same style names we
use in the Frame template. I then opened the Frame template, chose File >
Import > File..., selected the desired .doc file, selected the Copy into
Document radio button, and pressed Import. In the Unknown File Type dialog
that appeared, I chose Microsoft Word (it was the default selection), and
pressed Convert. In the Import Text Flow by Copy dialog, I checked the Body
Page Flow and Reformat Using Current Document's Catalogs, and also checked
the Remove Manual Page breaks and Other Overrides checkboxes. The result was
a VERY clean Frame document nicely formatted according to our Frame
template. It looks like graphics were created and I think embedded, and
while they look not too bad, you might want to save them out another way
from the Word doc and then reimport them by reference. In my example, tables
came out as tables, but not in the table format I usually use. In Frame I
converted the tables to text and then back to table to get the table format
I wanted. Still, for a 15 minute trial, I was very impressed by this method!


By the way, I am using Frame 7.2.

Paul  

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+paul.inbar=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+paul.inbar=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Caroline Tabach
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:49 AM
To: Matt Sullivan; Framers List
Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker

What do you mean when you say
"import the doc into a Frame template"
Can you explain more fully?

Caroline?Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer


??? 
Fax: +972 3 6474681
Email:?? caroline at radcom.com
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www.protocols.com



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From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker

I don't use the RTF to Frame filter, but instead import the .doc into a
Frame template to eliminate the "generic" master pages and catalogs created
when using Frame to "open" the doc directly.

The resulting Word import filter does a fine job of importing, but doesn't
address inconsistencies and workarounds in the Word file. 

Result:
-Graphics and tables often require manipulation
-Paragraph format overrides from Word still need to be addressed
-The Find/Change gets heavy usage to correct duplicated autonumbering (Much
of Word's autonumbering is treated as content rather than formatting)

I tell folks requiring conversion that the cost of the conversion lies
mainly in developing appropriate templates, and in addressing the Word
author's lack of consistency.

-Matt Sullivan



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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Hi all,

Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing
up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame.  Especially the
RTF to FM filter.  It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are
about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800
pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the job of
convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to
pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more
companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there
from Word.

Diane

Link to file without specifying name?

[qui...@airmail.net]

Magic comes to mind. You have to have a destination file, though you 
could try to put just the path in.

Scott

At 12:42 PM -0600 1/16/07, TEPLITZ Ronald wrote:
>Folks,
>
>I want to make a link in a PDF (created from Frame doc) that opens a
>file in a specified directory without having to specify a filename.
>Anyone know how to do this?
>
>Ron

Link to file without specifying name?

[Art Campbell]

Only way I can think of is putting the directory on a html server and
naming the file index.html (or changing the server's "home" page
definition to use your file name).

Art

On 1/16/07, TEPLITZ Ronald  wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I want to make a link in a PDF (created from Frame doc) that opens a
> file in a specified directory without having to specify a filename.
> Anyone know how to do this?
>
> Ron
> ___

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gmail.com
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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Link to file without specifying name?

[Combs, Richard]

TEPLITZ Ronald wrote:

> I want to make a link in a PDF (created from Frame doc) that 
> opens a file in a specified directory without having to 
> specify a filename.
> Anyone know how to do this? 

Why don't you know the file name? What if the specified directory
contains 2 files? 2000? 

Why can't a process on the server be responsible for renaming the file
(or a copy) to match what the PDF points to?

Do you know what kind of file? If it's HTML, maybe you can do something
with Art's idea. 

In Acrobat Pro, you can assign a link to execute some Javascript code
(look up "Javascript" in the help index). I have no idea what the
capabilities and limitations of this are, but it might be theoretically
possible to write some Javascript that determines the name of the file
in the specified directory (assuming only one) and then launches/opens
it. 

HTH!
Richard


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Question about glossary terms

[Rene Stephenson]

Using colored text, such as green, could be helpful so that they can easily 
identify the defined/linked term at a glance. For instance, if the term used is 
a phrase like gain fluctuation or return loss, so that they don't think you're 
just defining fluctuation and loss, respectively.

  HTH
  Rene Stephenson

Roger Bell  wrote:
  I am creating unstructured guides in FrameMaker 7.2. The guides are
primarily for print, but our customers also received PDF copies.

There are terms that I need to define, so I have created a glossary. I
want to use a visual indicator, so that anyone using either the print or
the PDF guide would know that a term is defined in the glossary.

So far I have been using a graphic question mark icon that I place
directly beside a term. I describe the meaning of the icon in the
typographical conventions section of each guide's introduction.

Any thoughts on a better way to indicate glossary entries? I am not
wanting to use a cross-reference or hyperlink in particular, but I'm
willing to consider all suggestions.

Regards,
Roger Bell
Technical Writer
770.246.2300 x 1181
VCG, Inc.
The power to succeed.
www.vcgsoftware.com 
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Roswell, GA 30076
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New mouse issue (again)

[Charles Beck]

Hi Jennifer,

Try Flywheel. Best thing I've found. In fact, it's the only thing I've
found that will work on my system (Windows XP, SP2). Fantastic little
piece of freeware!

You can find it at:
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,23737-order,1-page,1-c,alldown
loads/description.html?findid=43724 

Just follow the directions on that page to install and "register" it.
(You'll see what I mean.)

Enjoy!
Chuck


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From: framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Jennifer Randel
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:52 PM
To: Framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: New mouse issue (again)

Hi everyone,
I know that this comes up on the list occasionally, but I haven't saved
the information because I never thought it would happen to me.  :-)~

Our IT department installed a new Logitech trackball on my PC and the
darned thing won't scroll in FM (6.0p405). 

Can anyone offer a solution? I'm the only person in our organization
that uses FrameMaker, so it's not like IT knows a lot about the
application.

Thanks in advance,
Jennifer
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New to the list, and asking for help

[qui...@airmail.net]

Pedro,

Using a pure editor to tag your document with XML tags is fine. It 
won't print anything but text, including the structure tags for all 
to see.

The EDD is the translation document that assigns the format tags to 
the structure tags. The FrameMaker template contains the formatting 
instructions for the output. The rules provide instructions for 
converting to formatting.

The structure document is pure text, and only text. It contains no 
presentation information like formatting. The EDD and template 
provide the formatting information for presentation. Do not fall into 
the fallacy that a XSLT or CSS will provide a formatted document that 
you can print from. XSLT can transform it but it takes a great deal 
of work to get one to output printed format. CSS is only for web 
presentation.

Even using things like Epic Editor, you still have to have the DTD 
and a separate style document to produce a format for presentation. 
FrameMaker provides both aspects in one package.

Scott


At 4:37 PM +0100 1/16/07, Pedro Pastor wrote:
>I am new to this list. I was lurking for a while and I finally decided
>to show up.
>
>My main interest in FrameMaker is for XML-documents authoring tasks. I
>am quite new to FrameMaker (few weeks experience, 7.2 installed), but I
>have a good background and experience working with XML technologies.
>
>The first impression when learning Structured FM is double:
>
>-  An impressive tool.
>-  Weird and complicated way of dealing with XML.
>
>Maybe the troubles I've found come from my inexperience developing
>structured applications in FM, but I cannot fully understand the aim
>behind the (so called) "XML-roundtrip" editing
>
>1)   I cannot understand how to clearly separate structure from
>presentation in FM. If EDD contains structure and presentation
>information we are against the main principles of SGML/XML document
>design!!
>
>2)   It seems like there are two placeholders for storing
>presentation information: Templates and EDD documents. This could be
>redundant, I mean, the same presentation definition data could be store
>on both places.
>
>3)   In addition to this, Template document could have structure
>associated with it (via importing EDD document). Then we get just
>another way of associating structure to documents, apart from the DTD
>specification!!).
>
>4)   When working with XML applications like DocBook, I don't
>understand the need for "Rules" just to change capital letters. It seems
>like FM is not working internally in XDocBook when you choose to work
>with an XDocBook application. In fact, the structure generated by FM is
>not even DocBook 4.x compliant.
>
>
>  It seems to me that this roundtrip is  trying to match a mature legacy
>product (Structured FrameMaker) with the new emergent XML technologies,
>but it is not intended for XML authoring (as its main objective). At
>this point, (it seems)  it is easy to me to produce XML documentation
>(using whatever DTD I'd like) by means of more "developer-oriented" XML
>editors like XML_Spy or Oxygen together with XSLT+CSS style-sheets then
>all the burden of taming Structured FM for this purpose.
>
>I'm sure I should have misunderstood something in this picture, and
>that's the reason why I ask for the help of the experienced FM users.
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>Pedro Pastor
>Software Engineering Department.
>University of Alicante
>Spain

New to the list, and asking for help

[Matt Sullivan]

Hi Pedro, see responses below



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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Pedro Pastor


My main interest in FrameMaker is for XML-documents authoring tasks. I
am quite new to FrameMaker (few weeks experience, 7.2 installed), but I
have a good background and experience working with XML technologies.

The first impression when learning Structured FM is double:

-  An impressive tool.
-  Weird and complicated way of dealing with XML.

Maybe the troubles I've found come from my inexperience developing
structured applications in FM, but I cannot fully understand the aim
behind the (so called) "XML-roundtrip" editing

***Some folks need to both send and receive XML. Made-up example: Boeing
gets XML from subcontractors, but must combine and deliver as XML to
American Airlines. 
Some folks need only format XML for output, take your pick. I just finished
a phone directory project for CSULB that went quite smoothly in InDesign,
didn't require a DTD or really any structure experience at all.
Some folks need only to deliver XML versions of their doc's. If so,
unstructured Frame might fit the bill, without the rigors of a Structured
Application. You lose a lot of control, but it gets the job done.

1)   I cannot understand how to clearly separate structure from
presentation in FM. If EDD contains structure and presentation
information we are against the main principles of SGML/XML document
design!!

***OK...but that presentation info is for FrameMaker for a given authoring
environment. That's a bit like saying CSS goes against those principles by
formatting the content in a browser window. The EDD allows for consistent
formatting in a given environment. That formatting info is not forced into
the XML/SGML unless passed as attributes and values.

2)   It seems like there are two placeholders for storing
presentation information: Templates and EDD documents. This could be
redundant, I mean, the same presentation definition data could be store
on both places.

*** Think of the Template as storing the Unstructured Frame items (see the
File/Import/Formats dialog box) and the EDD as storing text format rules.  

A template has a copy of the EDD stored with it, as does any structured
Frame doc. Within documents, Frame does not allow reference to an external
EDD nor does it allow reference to an external template. I typically keep
the EDD separate, but import any changes to the EDD immediately to my
template.

3)   In addition to this, Template document could have structure
associated with it (via importing EDD document). Then we get just
another way of associating structure to documents, apart from the DTD
specification!!).

***See response to 2)

4)   When working with XML applications like DocBook, I don't
understand the need for "Rules" just to change capital letters. It seems
like FM is not working internally in XDocBook when you choose to work
with an XDocBook application. In fact, the structure generated by FM is
not even DocBook 4.x compliant.

***Reference Concrete Syntax and the SGML/XML declaration establishes naming
limitations for structured element names. Frame allows deviation from those
limits through the Read/Write Rules. These rules also allow for various
element and attribute changes, as well as changing attribute values into
actual Frame formatting, and changing Frame formatting back into attribute
values.


 It seems to me that this roundtrip is  trying to match a mature legacy
product (Structured FrameMaker) with the new emergent XML technologies,
but it is not intended for XML authoring (as its main objective). At
this point, (it seems)  it is easy to me to produce XML documentation
(using whatever DTD I'd like) by means of more "developer-oriented" XML
editors like XML_Spy or Oxygen together with XSLT+CSS style-sheets then
all the burden of taming Structured FM for this purpose.

***Depends on what your definition of "is" is (Sorry, Bill Clinton)
By Authoring XML, if you mean writing and editing long documents (with
graphics, numbering, references, and the like) to be delivered in XML,
print, PDF, and other formats, I don't know of a better tool. Seriously, if
anyone does, please let me know...I'll put my eggs in that basket. Frame is
not the world's most intuitive or up-to-date interface, but to me is the
Toyota Land Cruiser (or Range Rover, if you prefer) of documentation.

Missing Change Bars...

[Dodd, Frank J]

 Most of the work I perform is modifying legacy documents and
documenting these changes. Some of the changes I make to documents are
quite extensive and span the whole document. I am required to track the
changes and I do this by using the change bars (a new discovery for me
in FM). I then print the document and send it out for review with notes
on the reason for the changes. Unfortunately, I found that the change
bars show on the screen but don't print. Let me clarify - they print for
changes I made in graphics and headers but in the main body text they
just disappear on the print.
Any help?

Frank

New to the list, and asking for help

[Daniel Emory]

--- Pedro Pastor  wrote:
> Maybe the troubles I've found come from my
> inexperience developing structured applications in
FM, but I cannot fully understand the aim
> behind the (so called) "XML-roundtrip" editing.
==
Assuming that the documentation you are creating and
updating/editing is accomplished by human beings, you
can avoid XML-roundtripping only by having your
writers create/modify tagged XML. If you expect to
have any semblance of a productive authoring
environment, you must "round-trip" the XML into some
sort of authoring product which provides the numerous
bells and whistles needed to hide XML internals from
your authors. Most XML editing produces are not
WYSIWYG, and thus in those editors authors see
something that is not a facsimile of what human
readers will see when they retrieve those documents. 

Structured FrameMaker is just as much an XML editor as
any of the other ones. It provides an automated way to
import XML instances into FrameMaker, preserving all
the XML internals, and at the end of an editing
session, it provides an automated way to export the
work product back into fully conformant tagged XML
output.

The extra feature of FrameMaker is that it avoids the
necessity of having to use the clunky and
difficult-to-implement XML tools used to accomplish
acceptable formatting and layout needed to make
documents that are highly readable and effective for
human users. That is, FrameMaker, in addition to being
a powerul way to create documents, can also serve as a
powerful print engine for delivering high-quality,
eminently readable, technical documents in paper or
PDF format. 
==
> 1) I cannot understand how to clearly separate
> structure from presentation in FM. If EDD contains 
> structure and presentation
> information we are against the main principles of
> SGML/XML document
> design!!
=
Gee, the idea behind FrameMaker is to have the best of
both worlds. Desktop publishing systems like
FrameMaker have highly sophisticated formatting and
layout capabilities. You can, however, completely
ignore presentation in an EDD simply by declaring that
all text will use a single paragraph style. If, on the
other hand, you decide to exploit Frame"s exquisite
presentation capabilities, you can export a structured
Frame document to XML or SGML, and none of that
formatting information gets exported, hence it in no
way violates the canons of XML or SGML.

The fact is that both SGML and XML provide a set of
clunky, insufficient and unwieldy tools for delivering
formatted output for printing or on-line display. The
FrameMaker EDD offers a far more robust and elegant
method for producing high-wuality presnetations.
==
> 2) It seems like there are two placeholders
> for storing presentation information: Templates and
EDD documents. This could be
> redundant, I mean, the same presentation definition
> data could be store
> on both places.
===
Again you denigrate a powerful feature of Frame. The
EDD specifies the names of paragraph, character and
other types of formatting tags based on element
context. Templates are used to specify the formatting
details for each such tag. There are two advantages to
this. First, you can change the formatting (e.g.,
fonts, sizes, etc.) without disturbing the EDD.
Second, you can create multiple template versions for
the same EDD, allowing you to deliver differently
formatted documents which meet the requirements of
different types of users or different types of
documents created from the same EDD. Another feature
of the EDD is format change lists, which allow certain
parameters (e.g., indents, fonr size, autonumbering)
of a given format tag to be modified in different
structural contexts. 
===
> 3)   In addition to this, Template document
> could have structure
> associated with it (via importing EDD document).
> Then we get just
> another way of associating structure to documents,
> apart from the DTD
> specification!!).

Wrong again. A DTD contains no formatting information.
You create an EDD. Then you import that EDD into an
empty FrameMaker document, and the EDD "seeds" the
empty document with all the EDD's structure rules as
well as all the formatting tags defined in the EDD.
Then the designer defines the parameters of each
EDD-defined format tag. If your production needs
require different presentations for different
customers or different types of documents (all created
from the same EDD), You create more than one
structured template for the same EDD, and design the
formatting of each version of the template to meet
specific formatting and layout requirements.

To create a new structured document, you select the
appropriate template file and apply it to a new
(empty)FrameMaker file. 

New mouse issue (again)

[Mike Wickham]

> Our IT department installed a new Logitech trackball on my PC and the
> darned thing won't scroll in FM (6.0p405).

You can find an older Logitech mouse driver that works here:
http://www.front-runner.com/tools_and_resources/files.html
Remember to uncheck the "Use MS Compatible Scroll Only" on the Buttons tab 
of the mouse properties to make this one work correctly. That checkbox is 
missing from the newer Logitech drivers.

I believe the issue was fixed in FrameMaker 7.0 or 7.1, in case you plan to 
upgrade.

Mike Wickham

New mouse issue (again)

[Diane Gaskill]

Just what I needed.  It works great.  THANKS Chuck!

But I noticed something. When you download it, you get a 30-day trial copy.  
Then you must buy it.  But it costs only $10.

Diane

-Original Message-
>From: Charles Beck 
>Sent: Jan 16, 2007 2:05 PM
>To: Jennifer Randel , Framers at 
>lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: New mouse issue (again)
>
>Hi Jennifer,
>
>Try Flywheel. Best thing I've found. In fact, it's the only thing I've
>found that will work on my system (Windows XP, SP2). Fantastic little
>piece of freeware!
>
>You can find it at:
>http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,23737-order,1-page,1-c,alldown
>loads/description.html?findid=43724 
>
>Just follow the directions on that page to install and "register" it.
>(You'll see what I mean.)
>
>Enjoy!
>Chuck
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor.com at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Jennifer Randel
>Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:52 PM
>To: Framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: New mouse issue (again)
>
>Hi everyone,
>I know that this comes up on the list occasionally, but I haven't saved
>the information because I never thought it would happen to me.  :-)~
>
>Our IT department installed a new Logitech trackball on my PC and the
>darned thing won't scroll in FM (6.0p405). 
>
>Can anyone offer a solution? I'm the only person in our organization
>that uses FrameMaker, so it's not like IT knows a lot about the
>application.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Jennifer
>___