Re: maker.ini OpenDirOnStart: How can I prevent it from being updated?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:54:19 +, Berman, Marta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there any way to turn off this automatic update when exiting FrameMaker, so 
that I can set a default directory? Or is there another way to accomplish what 
I want from within FrameMaker?

I can think of two workarounds:

* Create a batch file that overrides the personalized maker.ini file with a 
saved copy of the default one and then opens FrameMaker. Use this batch file 
to start FrameMaker.

* Make the personalized maker.ini file read only. Then it cannot be updated 
when exiting FrameMaker.

In both of these workarounds, other settings such as RecentFiles, spell check 
options, and zoom settings also cannot be updated.

Here's another one.  The Mif2Go demo version includes a utility,
setini.exe, that can be used to set individual .ini-file items.
In the User's Guide, it's described in par. 32.4.2.3, Changing 
configuration settings with system commands:

  You can use a system command to make an arbitrary change to the 
  configuration file, by having the command invoke command-line 
  utility setini.exe, which is included in the Mif2Go distribution.

  Command setini changes the value of a single setting:
setini inifile.ini section keyword value

  For example:
setini mif2htm.ini HTMLOptions NoFonts Yes
  would exclude the use of font tags in HTML output.

This works with any .ini file, so you could use:
  setini C:\path\to\maker.ini Directories OpenDirOnStart X:\path\you\want
in your bat file before opening Frame.  Note that the quotes are
only needed if the paths contain any spaces.

The Mif2Go demo version is available at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

HTH!
-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Lin Surasky]

Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again for 
oh, at least another week or so
Where does the time go?
;-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker
 
Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

I know I know, I did check the archives, but this was information I
have received today ... so I thought maybe there's something going on
that I hadn't noticed (not currently reading the list with the same
ardour as some months ago) ...

thanks anyway :)

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Lin Surasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again 
 for oh, at least another week or so
  Where does the time go?
  ;-)



  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jakob Fix
  Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
  To: Framers List
  Subject: future of FrameMaker

  Hello,

  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
  people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
  Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
  organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
  don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
  slightly worried about the future.

  Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

  --
  cheers,
  Jakob.
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Why would they come out with the Adobe Technical Writing Suite and then 
just drop it?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Lin Surasky wrote:
 Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again 
 for oh, at least another week or so
 Where does the time go?
 ;-)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jakob Fix
 Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
 To: Framers List
 Subject: future of FrameMaker
  
 Hello,

 I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
 information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
 people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
 Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
 organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
 don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
 slightly worried about the future.

 Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

   
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated, let me assure you that
FrameMaker remains under active development. A next major version
is currently being developed.

Any person attending an Adobe training session would certainly
not have heard any information to the contrary.

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Jakob Fix
 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:47 AM

 Hello,

 I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
 information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
 people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
 Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
 organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
 don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
 slightly worried about the future.

 Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

 --
 cheers,
 Jakob.
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RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Yes, that happened to me last week too. I was resizing an anchored frame. Also 
7.1 on XP SP2. It just quit. Suddenly it was there, then it wasn't. No
message. I thought my eyes had gone funny...

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
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Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilk, Susan
Sent: February 12, 2008 10:32 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

I have been experiencing the same problem as Christopher. I am running
FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP. (And Christopher, I am not a newbie--I
have been using Fm for well over 10 years.)

The last time FM crashed in this way, I had just imported an image
(gif), reduced the size, and was adjusting the frame with the bottom
center handle.

Susan Sackett-Wilk
The TriZetto Group
Irving, Texas




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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM
To: 'Brewster, Christopher C'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then
do
a import file. 
What version of FM,  what platform?
Pete Rourke
Chandler, AZ

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster,
Christopher C
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save

I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems
a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file.
First I do Special  Anchored Frame, and set Top of column. Then I
paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this
process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes
without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie
Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe
someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM.
Thanks.

Christopher C. Brewster 

Lockheed Martin



 

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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Combs, Richard]

Jakob Fix wrote:
 
 I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand 
 information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently 

You know, this question was worth serious consideration the first dozen
or so times it came up. It was mildly amusing the next dozen or so. Now
-- after release of FM8 and the tech writing suite -- it's just silly
and becoming tiresome.

 heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for 
 FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker 
 development.  As the organization I am working for is a big 

Adobe will stop FrameMaker development -- someday. And you will die,
too. 

 user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct 
 contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about 
 the future.

The future's uncertain and the end is always near.

Have a beer. :-)

Richard


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RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

[Brewster, Christopher C]

I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process
again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think
software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply
closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the
step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?)

 



From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM
To: Shmuel Wolfson
Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save

 

Hi...

No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics,
FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if
other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no
rule of thumb that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with
multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or
more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
eMail:  dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com

**

At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:



I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel 
graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded 
graphics to appear.
 

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133





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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Lester C. Smalley]

I'll drink to that!  (although actually I prefer good ales...)

There is a point when such speculation does warrant consideration, such 
as the (very) long lag between updates or new releases that FrameMaker 
has experienced in the past.  However, given the fairly recent release 
of FM8 and then the Technical Communication Suite edition, this is 
frankly ridiculous at this time.

On Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:16 AM, Richard Combs wrote:

| Jakob Fix wrote:
|  
|  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand 
|  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently 
| 
| You know, this question was worth serious consideration the first
| dozen or so times it came up. It was mildly amusing the next dozen 
| or so. Now -- after release of FM8 and the tech writing suite --
| it's just silly and becoming tiresome.
| 
|  heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for 
|  FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker 
|  development.  As the organization I am working for is a big 
| 
| Adobe will stop FrameMaker development -- someday. And you will
| die, too. 
| 
|  user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct 
|  contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about 
|  the future.
| 
| The future's uncertain and the end is always near.
| 
| Have a beer. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| --
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
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RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

[Combs, Richard]

Brewster, Christopher C wrote:
 
 I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did 
 my process again and saved after each insertion. No problems 
 occurred. But I think software should handle a memory issue 
 much more gracefully than simply closing without saving-such 
 as warning me, or refusing to execute the step that would 
 make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?)

You're right, of course, FM should handle the problem much more
gracefully. 

But let me re-emphasize advice you got earlier and chose to ignore:
Don't use OLE! It's OK for one or two Visio drawings or PowerPoint
slides, but each time you do that, you're adding to the FM file all the
code needed to load the graphic's native application and edit it in
place. The overhead is huge and complex. 

You have Acrobat, right? Or at least Distiller, since it comes with FM.
You're much better off creating PDFs of your Visio or PowerPoint
graphics and importing those by reference (File  Import  File, Import
By Reference). Then, when a graphic changes, you just PDF it again (same
name and location, overwriting the previous version). FM sees that the
referenced file is newer, and your doc is updated automatically. 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Bill Swallow]

They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 so
the two tools can work together.

This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.

Chicken Little and the Boy Who Cried Wolf are not to be trusted.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
  people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
  Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
  organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
  don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
  slightly worried about the future.

  Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 14:52, Dov Isaacs wrote:

 On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated, let me assure you that
 FrameMaker remains under active development. A next major version
 is currently being developed.


Shucks...

...I was just about to register saveframemakerpetition.org :-))

Paul
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Mike Wickham]

Adobe just came out with version 8 a few months ago, and two updates since. 
They are also actively seeking feature requests for version 9 in the Adobe 
FrameMaker Users Forum. You'd be better off to worry about FrameMaker's 
competitors. :)

Mike Wickham


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Re: Markers in the text

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks all for the responses.  I've discovered that the Ts are
conditional text markers.  They hide the word Or.

Ok then!  I deleted them, ran my book, and now am getting the message:
Show/Hide setting for FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_ADDED is inconsistent.
Show/Hide setting for FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_DELETED is inconsistent.

Anyone know what I should do (other than reinsert the conditional text
-- we don't need those paragraphs anymore) to get rid of this message?

Thanks!

Deirdre
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RE: Table format names in XML files.

[Hayward, Morgan (Bolton)]

Hi Soeren

Add the following to your read/write rules:

element Table
{
is fm table element Table;
attribute ID is fm property table format;
} 

Regards,
Morgan

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Subject: Table format names in XML files.

Hi Framers,

I've a question about saving a FM document as an XML file. 

The  FM document contains several tables with different formats (Format A, 
Format B, etc.). However, the table format names are not exported to the XML 
file. The elements for the tables are all identical (TABLE.../TABLE).

Is there a way to include the table format name in the XML? Something
like:


TABLE ID=Format A.../TABLE
...
TABLE ID=Format B.../TABLE
...


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Re: future of FrameMaker

[rinch]

Oh, no, not again! Where do these death of FrameMaker myths start? If 
you've been going to conferences and reading industry-related 
publications, you'd know FrameMaker is alive and well loved by Adobe.

Richard


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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I wonder is these rumors are started by competitors. It's possible that 
Adobe puts less development time into FM as they do their other more 
profitable programs, but I think it's highly unlikely that they will 
stop developing it entirely.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133



Mike Wickham wrote:
 Adobe just came out with version 8 a few months ago, and two updates since. 
 They are also actively seeking feature requests for version 9 in the Adobe 
 FrameMaker Users Forum. You'd be better off to worry about FrameMaker's 
 competitors. :)

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RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

[Brewster, Christopher C]

As to why I'm inserting graphics with links, I explained this in a
couple of individual emails so I'll just say it again. I inherited this
project from an outside consultant. For now I have to stick with the
documents as they're currently done. The consultant company puts its
screen shots in a Powerpoint. Each Ppt slide is then copied into the FM
document using Paste Special, and using the Linked document option in
that dialog (and I mean the whole slide, not just the graphic on it).
The irony of all this is that my own company wants the whole thing moved
over to Word when it's possible. But right now I'm using FM documents
that have been APPROVED, which is (as you know) a corporate term meaning
they can't be changed other than adding new material.

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:32 AM
To: Brewster, Christopher C; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

Brewster, Christopher C wrote:
 
 I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did 
 my process again and saved after each insertion. No problems 
 occurred. But I think software should handle a memory issue 
 much more gracefully than simply closing without saving-such 
 as warning me, or refusing to execute the step that would 
 make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?)

You're right, of course, FM should handle the problem much more
gracefully. 

But let me re-emphasize advice you got earlier and chose to ignore:
Don't use OLE! It's OK for one or two Visio drawings or PowerPoint
slides, but each time you do that, you're adding to the FM file all the
code needed to load the graphic's native application and edit it in
place. The overhead is huge and complex. 

You have Acrobat, right? Or at least Distiller, since it comes with FM.
You're much better off creating PDFs of your Visio or PowerPoint
graphics and importing those by reference (File  Import  File, Import
By Reference). Then, when a graphic changes, you just PDF it again (same
name and location, overwriting the previous version). FM sees that the
referenced file is newer, and your doc is updated automatically. 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 so
  the two tools can work together.

  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.

This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about
words with double meanings.

Does hasn't gone anywhere mean FrameMaker development has been
static while the world around it has moved on, or does it mean,
FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart
out, live, 24x7x365?

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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Kelly McDaniel]

Only if it's shinier.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:framers-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:03 AM
 To: Framers
 Subject: Re: future of FrameMaker
 
 Why do programs always have to go somewhere to be worth using? As
long
 a company supports it's products, tries to fix the bugs and is keeping
 up with other tools of it's kind, there does not have to be a major
 overhaul in each version. That's the myth that software companies like
 to perpetuate, in order to give people reasons to keep upgrading to
new
 versions. I think it's mostly psychological.
 
 Do you buy a new car every time the next year's model comes out with a
 few new features?
 
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 
 
 
 Peter Gold wrote:
  On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6
so
   the two tools can work together.
 
   This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.
 
 
  This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about
  words with double meanings.
 
  Does hasn't gone anywhere mean FrameMaker development has been
  static while the world around it has moved on, or does it mean,
  FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart
  out, live, 24x7x365?
 
  Regards,
 
  Peter
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Fast typing, less proofreading in my message below. Looking over this I see
the errors. Note that they are my fault, not the fault of Outlook or of
FrameMaker. Which has a future. Definitely.

Bernard



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Aschwanden
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:22 PM
To: 'Jakob Fix'; 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: future of FrameMaker

Please see every email from the past 10 plus years that I've posted to the
Frame Users about the demise of Frame. Rather than writing it again it helps
me. I should just put that message into a CMS as a DITA file for the future
so that I can reuse it over and over and over when the rumor starts up. 

I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe is here.
They are talking about the future of the product. The development team is
here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I can't
possibly see it all being done for show.

So, while I don't work for Adobe, I can say definitively that there is a
future for the product. I'm in direct contact with all levels of the dev
team right here and there are all moving ahead.

Add to that the tech comm suite and the future looks bright.

Bernard



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Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand information
about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of people having
attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably
stop FrameMaker development.  As the organization I am working for is a big
user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct contacts with
Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

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cheers,
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Please see every email from the past 10 plus years that I've posted to the
Frame Users about the demise of Frame. Rather than writing it again it helps
me. I should just put that message into a CMS as a DITA file for the future
so that I can reuse it over and over and over when the rumor starts up. 

I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe is here.
They are talking about the future of the product. The development team is
here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I can't
possibly see it all being done for show.

So, while I don't work for Adobe, I can say definitively that there is a
future for the product. I'm in direct contact with all levels of the dev
team right here and there are all moving ahead.

Add to that the tech comm suite and the future looks bright.

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
Director of Technology and Publishing Architecture
Bright Path Solutions

www.brightpathsolutions.com 



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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:47 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand information
about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of people having
attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably
stop FrameMaker development.  As the organization I am working for is a big
user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct contacts with
Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

--
cheers,
Jakob.
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Bernard:

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Bernard Aschwanden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fast typing, less proofreading in my message below. Looking over this I see
  the errors. Note that they are my fault, not the fault of Outlook or of
  FrameMaker. Which has a future. Definitely.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED! that FM can't read your mind and fix typos,
content errors, and badly-thought-out language. After all, this is now
version 8G.

When I worked at Ashton-Tate (who?), the dBASE development team was
working towards reducing the command language to two commands: Set
bugs OFF, and DO what I'm thinking. It's always good to aim high, and
persist in getting closer to that goal.

Thanks for the on-the-scene update.

Regards,

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RE: future of FrameMaker

[richard.melanson]

What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future of 
Framemaker is that it did not make it into my regular email, my server 
identified it as spam and junk mail, I just happened to see it as I was 
deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, has he spoken up 
since.  
Rick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:03 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: future of FrameMaker

Why do programs always have to go somewhere to be worth using? As long a 
company supports it's products, tries to fix the bugs and is keeping up with 
other tools of it's kind, there does not have to be a major overhaul in each 
version. That's the myth that software companies like to perpetuate, in order 
to give people reasons to keep upgrading to new versions. I think it's mostly 
psychological.

Do you buy a new car every time the next year's model comes out with a few new 
features?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Peter Gold wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 
 so  the two tools can work together.

  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.
 

 This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about 
 words with double meanings.

 Does hasn't gone anywhere mean FrameMaker development has been 
 static while the world around it has moved on, or does it mean, 
 FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart 
 out, live, 24x7x365?

 Regards,

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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

Jakob,

We at Adobe would greatly appreciate it if you could send me, off-list,
the name of the Adobe-approved training company that either stated
or implied that there may be an end to development of FrameMaker.
We would like to follow-up with them and send them for re-education at
Gulag Adobe.   :-)

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Jakob Fix
 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:30 PM

 Hi Rick, everybody,

 On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future 
  of Framemaker is that it
 did not make it into my regular email, my server identified it as spam and 
 junk mail, I just happened
 to see it as I was deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, 
 has he spoken up since.
   Rick

 I am the OP and I am glad especially to have got an official answer
 from Dov, as it was management (as usual) that told me about some
 people having heard at a training session from an Adobe approved
 training company that there may be an end of development of FrameMaker
 in the foreseeable future. I have asked to get more information about
 the source, but am still waiting for it.  Re spam: Maybe you should
 tune your spam filter if gmail.com accounts and a combination of the
 terms FrameMaker and future are considered spam :)

 Thanks anyway to everybody for having spoken up, I appreciate it, and
 I also apologize for the loss of your time.

 Would this be a good moment to end this thread?

 --
 cheers,
 Jakob
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

Hi Rick, everybody,

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future of 
 Framemaker is that it did not make it into my regular email, my server 
 identified it as spam and junk mail, I just happened to see it as I was 
 deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, has he spoken up 
 since.
  Rick

I am the OP and I am glad especially to have got an official answer
from Dov, as it was management (as usual) that told me about some
people having heard at a training session from an Adobe approved
training company that there may be an end of development of FrameMaker
in the foreseeable future. I have asked to get more information about
the source, but am still waiting for it.  Re spam: Maybe you should
tune your spam filter if gmail.com accounts and a combination of the
terms FrameMaker and future are considered spam :)

Thanks anyway to everybody for having spoken up, I appreciate it, and
I also apologize for the loss of your time.

Would this be a good moment to end this thread?

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

Paul's raised an interesting issue here. With the release of the
Technical Communication Suite, which includes Captivate 3, RoboHelp,
and Acrobat 8 3D, the outlook for FM on Mac OS X looks bleaker because
Captivate and RoboHelp are Windows-only applications, and Acrobat on
Mac OS X is short a few important forms and other features because
Apple doesn't expose the hooks they require for developers to program
them.

Perhaps the quote about FM development being frozen related to
Macintosh support, which seems to be even more likely to be permanent
with FM's bundled partner applications in the TCS.

Regards,

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  At the risk of repeating myself (ha, ha!), please tell RJ and the
  team that the feature I - and the nearly 4,000 Adobe customers who've
  signed the FM4OSX Petition - really, really want in FrameMaker 9.0 is
  support for Mac OS X.
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RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

[Chen, Loretta]

I was going to stay out of this, but it happens to me every day of the
week -- whenever I try to use my mouse and the Framemaker scroll bar
(instead of touchpad scroll or arrows/pg up/down). 

Random crashes. Has nothing to do with graphics. Just reaching
for/moving the scroll bar with a certain velocity.

It happened with 7.1 and I was hoping it'd be fixed by 7.2. but no go. I
searched once for a bug/solution and never saw it mentioned so I figured
it was my machine. But it's been happening for at least a year now even
after I switched machines...

L.



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilk, Susan
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:32 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

I have been experiencing the same problem as Christopher. I am running
FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP. (And Christopher, I am not a newbie--I
have been using Fm for well over 10 years.)

The last time FM crashed in this way, I had just imported an image
(gif), reduced the size, and was adjusting the frame with the bottom
center handle.

Susan Sackett-Wilk
The TriZetto Group
Irving, Texas




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM
To: 'Brewster, Christopher C'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then
do a import file. 
What version of FM,  what platform?
Pete Rourke
Chandler, AZ

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brewster,
Christopher C
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save

I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems
a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file.
First I do Special  Anchored Frame, and set Top of column. Then I
paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this
process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes
without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie
Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe
someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM.
Thanks.

Christopher C. Brewster 

Lockheed Martin



 

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RE: Language Translation Estimates

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

Lin...

I would think the costs would depend a lot on how difficult the 
document is to translate. Plain English text must be a lot easier 
than that with many difficult technical terms and convoluted 
explanations that a non-technical translator may find difficult to 
understand. The only valid way to sort this out is to get a qualified 
translator to tell you how long it would take. They can only do that 
if they see the files.

Frankly, the estimate Art received seems like a bargain to me. I'm a 
little curious about how the fonts and formatting would be handled in 
such a situation if the alphabets and characters are significantly different.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
***
At 01:51 PM 2/14/2008, Lin Surasky wrote:
Thanks, Art. I'm looking into that now. I see several sites have cost
estimates, but no one has a time estimate (i.e., x many hours per page
or per word). Unfortunately, I'm not so sure we're going to outsource
this; it may be done in-house, but I have no idea how long I should tell
them it will take!

  -Original Message-
  From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:49 PM
  To: Lin Surasky
  Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: Language Translation Estimates
 
  I just received estimates from vendors for a 250 English word
  document to be translated into 7 languages, including
  reformatting in Frame.
  Range was $700-800 for that particular package. About $100
  per language for that word count.
 
  All the vendors I chatted with were quite happy to provide an
  estimate from the files I sent them... so I'd suggest taking
  the extra time to talk to several vendors so you can get an
  accurate range.
 
  Cheers,
  Art
 
  On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Lin Surasky
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi all-
  
With the Chatauqua going on, I'm having trouble hunting
  people down,
   and  of course my boss needs an answer to this yesterday
  (even though
   he only  asked me today)
  
We're considering translating our docs library from
  English into French.
Everything is in FrameMaker, the templates are simple and
  there are
   lots  of screen shots that will need to be replaced. How do you
   esimate a  project like this? How many minutes/hours per page for
   language  translation, cleanup/layout and graphics replacement?
   (Assume only 1  graphic per page)
  
Anyone have any great sites (or insight) to share?
  
Thanks!
Lin
  
PS - Ann or Diane G -- I know you're out there somewhere!
  Help a girl
   out, wouldya? ;-)  ___
  
 
 
 
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Tech Suite Integration

[Don Rinderknecht]

I've looked into the tech suite just a little bit, and noticed that the 
FM and RH are enhanced versions.
I gather this is on the integration of the two products.

Are there any differences in Captivate or Acrobat 3D from the standard 
versions?

Has anyone had experience with these enhanced versions?
How does it affect your workflow when creating documentation?

Any hints on where I can find more information about the details of the 
differences in the Tech Suite versions?

Thanks,
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[John Posada]

Is it that time again?

On 2/14/08, Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
 information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
 people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
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maker.ini OpenDirOnStart: How can I prevent it from being updated?

[Berman, Marta]

Hello

I would like to set a default directory from which files should always be 
accessed (File-->Open), regardless of the last directory from which the files 
were opened.

I know about the OpenDirOnStart setting in the personalized version of 
maker.ini (not the one in the main installation directory).

But every time I exit FrameMaker, FrameMaker automates the OpenDirOnStart 
setting with the name of the last directory used for opening files, as is 
described in the description of OpenDirOnStart:

"OpenDirOnStart specifies which folder should initially appear in the Open 
dialog box. Every time you exit, this setting is updated to the folder from 
which you last opened a document."

Is there any way to turn off this automatic update when exiting FrameMaker, so 
that I can set a default directory? Or is there another way to accomplish what 
I want from within FrameMaker?

I can think of two workarounds:

* Create a batch file that overrides the personalized maker.ini file with a 
saved copy of the default one and then opens FrameMaker. Use this batch file to 
start FrameMaker.

* Make the personalized maker.ini file "read only." Then it cannot be updated 
when exiting FrameMaker.

In both of these workarounds, other settings such as RecentFiles, spell check 
options, and zoom settings also cannot be updated.


Much obliged,
Marta

maker.ini OpenDirOnStart: How can I prevent it from being updated?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:54:19 +, "Berman, Marta"  
wrote:

>Is there any way to turn off this automatic update when exiting FrameMaker, so 
>that I can set a default directory? Or is there another way to accomplish what 
>I want from within FrameMaker?
>
>I can think of two workarounds:
>
>* Create a batch file that overrides the personalized maker.ini file with a 
>saved copy of the default one and then opens FrameMaker. Use this batch file 
>to start FrameMaker.
>
>* Make the personalized maker.ini file "read only." Then it cannot be updated 
>when exiting FrameMaker.
>
>In both of these workarounds, other settings such as RecentFiles, spell check 
>options, and zoom settings also cannot be updated.

Here's another one.  The Mif2Go demo version includes a utility,
setini.exe, that can be used to set individual .ini-file items.
In the User's Guide, it's described in par. 32.4.2.3, "Changing 
configuration settings with system commands":

  You can use a system command to make an arbitrary change to the 
  configuration file, by having the command invoke command-line 
  utility setini.exe, which is included in the Mif2Go distribution.

  Command setini changes the value of a single setting:
setini inifile.ini section keyword value

  For example:
setini mif2htm.ini HTMLOptions NoFonts Yes
  would exclude the use of  tags in HTML output.

This works with any .ini file, so you could use:
  setini "C:\path\to\maker.ini" Directories OpenDirOnStart "X:\path\you\want"
in your bat file before opening Frame.  Note that the quotes are
only needed if the paths contain any spaces.

The Mif2Go demo version is available at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

HTH!
-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.

future of FrameMaker

[Lin Surasky]

Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again for 
oh, at least another week or so
Where does the time go?
;-)

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.
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future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

I know I know, I did check the archives, but this was information I
have received today ... so I thought maybe there's something going on
that I hadn't noticed (not currently reading the list with the same
ardour as some months ago) ...

thanks anyway :)

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Lin Surasky  wrote:
> Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again 
> for oh, at least another week or so
>  Where does the time go?
>  ;-)
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jakob Fix
>  Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
>  To: Framers List
>  Subject: future of FrameMaker
>
>  Hello,
>
>  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
>  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
>  people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
>  Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
>  organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
>  don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
>  slightly worried about the future.
>
>  Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
>
>  --
>  cheers,
>  Jakob.
>  ___

future of FrameMaker

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Why would they come out with the Adobe Technical Writing Suite and then 
just drop it?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Lin Surasky wrote:
> Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again 
> for oh, at least another week or so
> Where does the time go?
> ;-)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jakob Fix
> Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
> To: Framers List
> Subject: future of FrameMaker
>  
> Hello,
>
> I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
> information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
> people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
> Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
> organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
> don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
> slightly worried about the future.
>
> Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
>
>   

future of FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated, let me assure you that
FrameMaker remains under active development. A next major version
is currently being developed.

Any person attending an "Adobe training session" would certainly
not have heard any information to the contrary.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Jakob Fix
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:47 AM
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
> information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
> people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
> Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
> organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
> don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
> slightly worried about the future.
>
> Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
>
> --
> cheers,
> Jakob.

FM abruptly closes with no save

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Yes, that happened to me last week too. I was resizing an anchored frame. Also 
7.1 on XP SP2. It just quit. Suddenly it was there, then it wasn't. No
message. I thought my eyes had gone funny...

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Publications
TVWorks Canada, Inc.
150 Dufferin Avenue
London, Ontario
N6A 5N6
Canada
Tel. 519 963-4368
www.tvworks.com

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Wilk, Susan
Sent: February 12, 2008 10:32 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

I have been experiencing the same problem as Christopher. I am running
FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP. (And Christopher, I am not a newbie--I
have been using Fm for well over 10 years.)

The last time FM crashed in this way, I had just imported an image
(gif), reduced the size, and was adjusting the frame with the bottom
center handle.

Susan Sackett-Wilk
The TriZetto Group
Irving, Texas




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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM
To: 'Brewster, Christopher C'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then
do
a import file. 
What version of FM, & what platform?
Pete Rourke
Chandler, AZ

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Brewster,
Christopher C
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save

I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems
a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file.
First I do Special > Anchored Frame, and set "Top of column". Then I
paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this
process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes
without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie
Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe
someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM.
Thanks.

Christopher C. Brewster 

Lockheed Martin





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future of FrameMaker

[Combs, Richard]

Jakob Fix wrote:

> I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand 
> information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently 

You know, this question was worth serious consideration the first dozen
or so times it came up. It was mildly amusing the next dozen or so. Now
-- after release of FM8 and the tech writing suite -- it's just silly
and becoming tiresome.

> heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for 
> FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker 
> development.  As the organization I am working for is a big 

Adobe will stop FrameMaker development -- someday. And you will die,
too. 

> user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct 
> contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about 
> the future.

"The future's uncertain and the end is always near."

Have a beer. :-)

Richard


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FM abruptly closes with no save

[Brewster, Christopher C]

I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process
again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think
software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply
closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the
step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?)





From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:denn...@kvmr.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM
To: Shmuel Wolfson
Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save



Hi...

No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics,
FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if
other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no
"rule of thumb" that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with
multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or
more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
eMail:  dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com

**

At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:



I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel 
graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded 
graphics to appear.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

future of FrameMaker

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 14:52, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated, let me assure you that
> FrameMaker remains under active development. A next major version
> is currently being developed.


Shucks...

...I was just about to register  :-))

Paul

future of FrameMaker

[Lester C. Smalley]

I'll drink to that!  (although actually I prefer good ales...)

There is a point when such speculation does warrant consideration, such 
as the (very) long lag between updates or new releases that FrameMaker 
has experienced in the past.  However, given the fairly recent release 
of FM8 and then the Technical Communication Suite edition, this is 
frankly ridiculous at this time.

On Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:16 AM, Richard Combs wrote:

| Jakob Fix wrote:
|  
| > I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand 
| > information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently 
| 
| You know, this question was worth serious consideration the first
| dozen or so times it came up. It was mildly amusing the next dozen 
| or so. Now -- after release of FM8 and the tech writing suite --
| it's just silly and becoming tiresome.
| 
| > heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for 
| > FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker 
| > development.  As the organization I am working for is a big 
| 
| Adobe will stop FrameMaker development -- someday. And you will
| die, too. 
| 
| > user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct 
| > contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about 
| > the future.
| 
| "The future's uncertain and the end is always near."
| 
| Have a beer. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| --
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
| --


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FM abruptly closes with no save

[Combs, Richard]

Brewster, Christopher C wrote:

> I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did 
> my process again and saved after each insertion. No problems 
> occurred. But I think software should handle a memory issue 
> much more gracefully than simply closing without saving-such 
> as warning me, or refusing to execute the step that would 
> make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?)

You're right, of course, FM should handle the problem much more
gracefully. 

But let me re-emphasize advice you got earlier and chose to ignore:
Don't use OLE! It's OK for one or two Visio drawings or PowerPoint
slides, but each time you do that, you're adding to the FM file all the
code needed to load the graphic's native application and edit it in
place. The overhead is huge and complex. 

You have Acrobat, right? Or at least Distiller, since it comes with FM.
You're much better off creating PDFs of your Visio or PowerPoint
graphics and importing those by reference (File > Import > File, Import
By Reference). Then, when a graphic changes, you just PDF it again (same
name and location, overwriting the previous version). FM sees that the
referenced file is newer, and your doc is updated automatically. 

HTH!
Richard


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--
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future of FrameMaker

[Bill Swallow]

They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 so
the two tools can work together.

This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.

Chicken Little and the Boy Who Cried Wolf are not to be trusted.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Jakob Fix  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
>  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
>  people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
>  Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
>  organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
>  don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
>  slightly worried about the future.
>
>  Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

Table format names in XML files.

[Hayward, Morgan (Bolton)]

Hi Soeren

Add the following to your read/write rules:

element "Table"
{
is fm table element "Table";
attribute "ID" is fm property table format;
} 

Regards,
Morgan

_
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Technical Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. 

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-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Soeren Rievers
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:42 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Table format names in XML files.

Hi Framers,

I've a question about saving a FM document as an XML file. 

The  FM document contains several tables with different formats (Format A, 
Format B, etc.). However, the table format names are not exported to the XML 
file. The elements for the tables are all identical (...).

Is there a way to include the table format name in the XML? Something
like:


...
...
...
...


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future of FrameMaker

[ri...@inficon.com]

Oh, no, not again! Where do these "death of FrameMaker" myths start? If 
you've been going to conferences and reading industry-related 
publications, you'd know FrameMaker is alive and well loved by Adobe.

Richard

Markers in the text

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks all for the responses.  I've discovered that the Ts are
conditional text markers.  They hide the word "Or."

Ok then!  I deleted them, ran my book, and now am getting the message:
Show/Hide setting for FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_ADDED is inconsistent.
Show/Hide setting for FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_DELETED is inconsistent.

Anyone know what I should do (other than reinsert the conditional text
-- we don't need those paragraphs anymore) to get rid of this message?

Thanks!

Deirdre

FM abruptly closes with no save

[Brewster, Christopher C]

As to why I'm inserting graphics with links, I explained this in a
couple of individual emails so I'll just say it again. I inherited this
project from an outside consultant. For now I have to stick with the
documents as they're currently done. The consultant company puts its
screen shots in a Powerpoint. Each Ppt slide is then copied into the FM
document using Paste Special, and using the "Linked document" option in
that dialog (and I mean the whole slide, not just the graphic on it).
The irony of all this is that my own company wants the whole thing moved
over to Word when it's possible. But right now I'm using FM documents
that have been APPROVED, which is (as you know) a corporate term meaning
they can't be changed other than adding new material.

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:32 AM
To: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

Brewster, Christopher C wrote:

> I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did 
> my process again and saved after each insertion. No problems 
> occurred. But I think software should handle a memory issue 
> much more gracefully than simply closing without saving-such 
> as warning me, or refusing to execute the step that would 
> make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?)

You're right, of course, FM should handle the problem much more
gracefully. 

But let me re-emphasize advice you got earlier and chose to ignore:
Don't use OLE! It's OK for one or two Visio drawings or PowerPoint
slides, but each time you do that, you're adding to the FM file all the
code needed to load the graphic's native application and edit it in
place. The overhead is huge and complex. 

You have Acrobat, right? Or at least Distiller, since it comes with FM.
You're much better off creating PDFs of your Visio or PowerPoint
graphics and importing those by reference (File > Import > File, Import
By Reference). Then, when a graphic changes, you just PDF it again (same
name and location, overwriting the previous version). FM sees that the
referenced file is newer, and your doc is updated automatically. 

HTH!
Richard


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future of FrameMaker

[Mike Wickham]

Adobe just came out with version 8 a few months ago, and two updates since. 
They are also actively seeking feature requests for version 9 in the Adobe 
FrameMaker Users Forum. You'd be better off to worry about FrameMaker's 
competitors. :)

Mike Wickham

future of FrameMaker

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I wonder is these rumors are started by competitors. It's possible that 
Adobe puts less development time into FM as they do their other more 
profitable programs, but I think it's highly unlikely that they will 
stop developing it entirely.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
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Mike Wickham wrote:
> Adobe just came out with version 8 a few months ago, and two updates since. 
> They are also actively seeking feature requests for version 9 in the Adobe 
> FrameMaker Users Forum. You'd be better off to worry about FrameMaker's 
> competitors. :)
>
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future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow  
wrote:
> They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 so
>  the two tools can work together.
>
>  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.

This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about
words with double meanings.

Does "hasn't gone anywhere" mean "FrameMaker development has been
static while the world around it has moved on," or does it mean,
"FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart
out, live, 24x7x365?"

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future of FrameMaker

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Why do programs always have to "go" somewhere to be worth using? As long 
a company supports it's products, tries to fix the bugs and is keeping 
up with other tools of it's kind, there does not have to be a major 
overhaul in each version. That's the myth that software companies like 
to perpetuate, in order to give people reasons to keep upgrading to new 
versions. I think it's mostly psychological.

Do you buy a new car every time the next year's model comes out with a 
few new features?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Peter Gold wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow  
> wrote:
>   
>> They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 so
>>  the two tools can work together.
>>
>>  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.
>> 
>
> This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about
> words with double meanings.
>
> Does "hasn't gone anywhere" mean "FrameMaker development has been
> static while the world around it has moved on," or does it mean,
> "FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart
> out, live, 24x7x365?"
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
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future of FrameMaker

[Kelly McDaniel]

Only if it's shinier.

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:03 AM
> To: Framers
> Subject: Re: future of FrameMaker
> 
> Why do programs always have to "go" somewhere to be worth using? As
long
> a company supports it's products, tries to fix the bugs and is keeping
> up with other tools of it's kind, there does not have to be a major
> overhaul in each version. That's the myth that software companies like
> to perpetuate, in order to give people reasons to keep upgrading to
new
> versions. I think it's mostly psychological.
> 
> Do you buy a new car every time the next year's model comes out with a
> few new features?
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Gold wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow

> wrote:
> >
> >> They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6
so
> >>  the two tools can work together.
> >>
> >>  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.
> >>
> >
> > This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about
> > words with double meanings.
> >
> > Does "hasn't gone anywhere" mean "FrameMaker development has been
> > static while the world around it has moved on," or does it mean,
> > "FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart
> > out, live, 24x7x365?"
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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future of FrameMaker

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Please see every email from the past 10 plus years that I've posted to the
Frame Users about the demise of Frame. Rather than writing it again it helps
me. I should just put that message into a CMS as a DITA file for the future
so that I can reuse it over and over and over when the rumor starts up. 

I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe is here.
They are talking about the future of the product. The development team is
here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I can't
possibly see it all being done for show.

So, while I don't work for Adobe, I can say definitively that there is a
future for the product. I'm in direct contact with all levels of the dev
team right here and there are all moving ahead.

Add to that the tech comm suite and the future looks bright.

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
Director of Technology and Publishing Architecture
Bright Path Solutions

www.brightpathsolutions.com 



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:47 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand information
about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of people having
attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably
stop FrameMaker development.  As the organization I am working for is a big
user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct contacts with
Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

--
cheers,
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future of FrameMaker

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Fast typing, less proofreading in my message below. Looking over this I see
the errors. Note that they are my fault, not the fault of Outlook or of
FrameMaker. Which has a future. Definitely.

Bernard



-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Aschwanden
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:22 PM
To: 'Jakob Fix'; 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: future of FrameMaker

Please see every email from the past 10 plus years that I've posted to the
Frame Users about the demise of Frame. Rather than writing it again it helps
me. I should just put that message into a CMS as a DITA file for the future
so that I can reuse it over and over and over when the rumor starts up. 

I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe is here.
They are talking about the future of the product. The development team is
here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I can't
possibly see it all being done for show.

So, while I don't work for Adobe, I can say definitively that there is a
future for the product. I'm in direct contact with all levels of the dev
team right here and there are all moving ahead.

Add to that the tech comm suite and the future looks bright.

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
Director of Technology and Publishing Architecture Bright Path Solutions

www.brightpathsolutions.com 



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:47 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand information
about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of people having
attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably
stop FrameMaker development.  As the organization I am working for is a big
user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct contacts with
Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

--
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future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Bernard:

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Bernard Aschwanden
 wrote:
> Fast typing, less proofreading in my message below. Looking over this I see
>  the errors. Note that they are my fault, not the fault of Outlook or of
>  FrameMaker. Which has a future. Definitely.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED! that FM can't read your mind and fix typos,
content errors, and badly-thought-out language. After all, this is now
version 8.

When I worked at Ashton-Tate (who?), the dBASE development team was
working towards reducing the command language to two commands: Set
bugs OFF, and DO what I'm thinking. It's always good to aim high, and
persist in getting closer to that goal.

Thanks for the on-the-scene update.

Regards,

Peter
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future of FrameMaker

[richard.melan...@us.tel.com]

What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future of 
Framemaker is that it did not make it into my regular email, my server 
identified it as spam and junk mail, I just happened to see it as I was 
deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, has he spoken up 
since.  
Rick

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:03 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: future of FrameMaker

Why do programs always have to "go" somewhere to be worth using? As long a 
company supports it's products, tries to fix the bugs and is keeping up with 
other tools of it's kind, there does not have to be a major overhaul in each 
version. That's the myth that software companies like to perpetuate, in order 
to give people reasons to keep upgrading to new versions. I think it's mostly 
psychological.

Do you buy a new car every time the next year's model comes out with a few new 
features?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Peter Gold wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow  
> wrote:
>   
>> They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 
>> so  the two tools can work together.
>>
>>  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.
>> 
>
> This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about 
> words with double meanings.
>
> Does "hasn't gone anywhere" mean "FrameMaker development has been 
> static while the world around it has moved on," or does it mean, 
> "FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart 
> out, live, 24x7x365?"
>
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>
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future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

Hi Rick, everybody,

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM,   wrote:
> What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future of 
> Framemaker is that it did not make it into my regular email, my server 
> identified it as spam and junk mail, I just happened to see it as I was 
> deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, has he spoken up 
> since.
>  Rick

I am the OP and I am glad especially to have got an official answer
from Dov, as it was management (as usual) that told me about some
people having heard at a training session from an Adobe approved
training company that there may be an end of development of FrameMaker
in the foreseeable future. I have asked to get more information about
the source, but am still waiting for it.  Re spam: Maybe you should
tune your spam filter if gmail.com accounts and a combination of the
terms FrameMaker and future are considered spam :)

Thanks anyway to everybody for having spoken up, I appreciate it, and
I also apologize for the loss of your time.

Would this be a good moment to end this thread?

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.

future of FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

Jakob,

We at Adobe would greatly appreciate it if you could send me, off-list,
the name of the "Adobe-approved training company" that either stated
or implied that there "may be an end to development of FrameMaker."
We would like to follow-up with them and send them for re-education at
Gulag Adobe.   :-)

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Jakob Fix
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:30 PM
>
> Hi Rick, everybody,
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM,   wrote:
> > What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future 
> > of Framemaker is that it
> did not make it into my regular email, my server identified it as spam and 
> junk mail, I just happened
> to see it as I was deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, 
> has he spoken up since.
> >  Rick
>
> I am the OP and I am glad especially to have got an official answer
> from Dov, as it was management (as usual) that told me about some
> people having heard at a training session from an Adobe approved
> training company that there may be an end of development of FrameMaker
> in the foreseeable future. I have asked to get more information about
> the source, but am still waiting for it.  Re spam: Maybe you should
> tune your spam filter if gmail.com accounts and a combination of the
> terms FrameMaker and future are considered spam :)
>
> Thanks anyway to everybody for having spoken up, I appreciate it, and
> I also apologize for the loss of your time.
>
> Would this be a good moment to end this thread?
>
> --
> cheers,
> Jakob

future of FrameMaker

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 18:22, Bernard Aschwanden wrote:

> I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe  
> is here.
> They are talking about the future of the product. The development  
> team is
> here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
> future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I  
> can't

Hi Bernard,

At the risk of repeating myself (ha, ha!), please tell RJ and the  
team that the feature I - and the nearly 4,000 Adobe customers who've  
signed the FM4OSX Petition - really, really want in FrameMaker 9.0 is  
support for Mac OS X.

Thanks

Paul

future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

Paul's raised an interesting issue here. With the release of the
Technical Communication Suite, which includes Captivate 3, RoboHelp,
and Acrobat 8 3D, the outlook for FM on Mac OS X looks bleaker because
Captivate and RoboHelp are Windows-only applications, and Acrobat on
Mac OS X is short a few important forms and other features because
Apple doesn't expose the hooks they require for developers to program
them.

Perhaps the quote about FM development being frozen related to
Macintosh support, which seems to be even more likely to be permanent
with FM's bundled partner applications in the TCS.

Regards,

Peter
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Paul Findon  wrote:
>  At the risk of repeating myself (ha, ha!), please tell RJ and the
>  team that the feature I - and the nearly 4,000 Adobe customers who've
>  signed the FM4OSX Petition - really, really want in FrameMaker 9.0 is
>  support for Mac OS X.

future of FrameMaker

[Steve Rickaby]

At 15:09 -0600 14/2/08, Peter Gold wrote:

>Paul's raised an interesting issue here. With the release of the Technical 
>Communication Suite, which includes Captivate 3, RoboHelp, and Acrobat 8 3D, 
>the outlook for FM on Mac OS X looks bleaker because Captivate and RoboHelp 
>are Windows-only applications, and Acrobat on Mac OS X is short a few 
>important forms and other features because Apple doesn't expose the hooks they 
>require for developers to program them.

We don't mind: we'd be happy just with the @$%?%&@! application.

-- 
Steve

future of FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

Just so nobody has any unwarranted expectations ...

Regardless of whether you or I like it, the next major version
of FrameMaker will NOT support Macintosh natively for the exact
same reasons such support was discontinued in the first place.
You obviously can try to use it under Parallels or Boot Camp on
MacIntel systems.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Gold
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:10 PM
>
> Paul's raised an interesting issue here. With the release of the
> Technical Communication Suite, which includes Captivate 3, RoboHelp,
> and Acrobat 8 3D, the outlook for FM on Mac OS X looks bleaker because
> Captivate and RoboHelp are Windows-only applications, and Acrobat on
> Mac OS X is short a few important forms and other features because
> Apple doesn't expose the hooks they require for developers to program
> them.
>
> Perhaps the quote about FM development being frozen related to
> Macintosh support, which seems to be even more likely to be permanent
> with FM's bundled partner applications in the TCS.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
> ___
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Paul Findon  wrote:
> >  At the risk of repeating myself (ha, ha!), please tell RJ and the
> >  team that the feature I - and the nearly 4,000 Adobe customers who've
> >  signed the FM4OSX Petition - really, really want in FrameMaker 9.0 is
> >  support for Mac OS X.

Language Translation Estimates

[Lin Surasky]

Hi all-

With the Chatauqua going on, I'm having trouble hunting people down, and
of course my boss needs an answer to this yesterday (even though he only
asked me today)

We're considering translating our docs library from English into French.
Everything is in FrameMaker, the templates are simple and there are lots
of screen shots that will need to be replaced. How do you esimate a
project like this? How many minutes/hours per page for language
translation, cleanup/layout and graphics replacement? (Assume only 1
graphic per page)

Anyone have any great sites (or insight) to share?

Thanks!
Lin

PS - Ann or Diane G -- I know you're out there somewhere! Help a girl
out, wouldya? ;-)

Language Translation Estimates

[Art Campbell]

I just received estimates from vendors for a 250 English word document
to be translated into 7 languages, including reformatting in Frame.
Range was $700-800 for that particular package. About $100 per
language for that word count.

All the vendors I chatted with were quite happy to provide an estimate
from the files I sent them... so I'd suggest taking the extra time to
talk to several vendors so you can get an accurate range.

Cheers,
Art

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Lin Surasky  wrote:
> Hi all-
>
>  With the Chatauqua going on, I'm having trouble hunting people down, and
>  of course my boss needs an answer to this yesterday (even though he only
>  asked me today)
>
>  We're considering translating our docs library from English into French.
>  Everything is in FrameMaker, the templates are simple and there are lots
>  of screen shots that will need to be replaced. How do you esimate a
>  project like this? How many minutes/hours per page for language
>  translation, cleanup/layout and graphics replacement? (Assume only 1
>  graphic per page)
>
>  Anyone have any great sites (or insight) to share?
>
>  Thanks!
>  Lin
>
>  PS - Ann or Diane G -- I know you're out there somewhere! Help a girl
>  out, wouldya? ;-)
>  ___
>



-- 
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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
 and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Language Translation Estimates

[Lin Surasky]

Thanks, Art. I'm looking into that now. I see several sites have cost
estimates, but no one has a time estimate (i.e., x many hours per page
or per word). Unfortunately, I'm not so sure we're going to outsource
this; it may be done in-house, but I have no idea how long I should tell
them it will take! 

> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:49 PM
> To: Lin Surasky
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Language Translation Estimates
> 
> I just received estimates from vendors for a 250 English word 
> document to be translated into 7 languages, including 
> reformatting in Frame.
> Range was $700-800 for that particular package. About $100 
> per language for that word count.
> 
> All the vendors I chatted with were quite happy to provide an 
> estimate from the files I sent them... so I'd suggest taking 
> the extra time to talk to several vendors so you can get an 
> accurate range.
> 
> Cheers,
> Art
> 
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Lin Surasky 
>  wrote:
> > Hi all-
> >
> >  With the Chatauqua going on, I'm having trouble hunting 
> people down, 
> > and  of course my boss needs an answer to this yesterday 
> (even though 
> > he only  asked me today)
> >
> >  We're considering translating our docs library from 
> English into French.
> >  Everything is in FrameMaker, the templates are simple and 
> there are 
> > lots  of screen shots that will need to be replaced. How do you 
> > esimate a  project like this? How many minutes/hours per page for 
> > language  translation, cleanup/layout and graphics replacement? 
> > (Assume only 1  graphic per page)
> >
> >  Anyone have any great sites (or insight) to share?
> >
> >  Thanks!
> >  Lin
> >
> >  PS - Ann or Diane G -- I know you're out there somewhere! 
> Help a girl  
> > out, wouldya? ;-)  ___
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>  and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358
> 

WINE (Was Re: future of FrameMaker)

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 21:22, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> Just so nobody has any unwarranted expectations ...
>
> Regardless of whether you or I like it, the next major version
> of FrameMaker will NOT support Macintosh natively for the exact
> same reasons such support was discontinued in the first place.
> You obviously can try to use it under Parallels or Boot Camp on
> MacIntel systems.

A new version of WINE was released last week, so if you're an Intel  
Mac user and want to run Windows FrameMaker without Windows, VMWare,  
Parallels, or Boot Camp, you may wish to give it a try. They're  
looking for Framemaker users to test Framemaker and report bugs. More  
at:


Paul

WINE (Was Re: future of FrameMaker)

[Dov Isaacs]

Understand, though, that even if that "works" it would be considered
an unsupported configuration by Adobe. There is absolutely NO technical
support for using Adobe applications under such environments. (A similar
issue came up with regards to running InDesign under WINE on various
Linux and UNIX platforms.)

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Findon
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:53 PM
>
> On 14 Feb 2008, at 21:22, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
> > Just so nobody has any unwarranted expectations ...
> >
> > Regardless of whether you or I like it, the next major version
> > of FrameMaker will NOT support Macintosh natively for the exact
> > same reasons such support was discontinued in the first place.
> > You obviously can try to use it under Parallels or Boot Camp on
> > MacIntel systems.
>
> A new version of WINE was released last week, so if you're an Intel
> Mac user and want to run Windows FrameMaker without Windows, VMWare,
> Parallels, or Boot Camp, you may wish to give it a try. They're
> looking for Framemaker users to test Framemaker and report bugs. More
> at:
> 
>
> Paul

WINE (Was Re: future of FrameMaker)

[Flato, Gillian]

Dov,

Are you whining about WINE 

Sorry, couldn't resist. 

-Gillian


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:42 PM
To: Paul Findon; Framers List
Subject: RE: WINE (Was Re: future of FrameMaker)

Understand, though, that even if that "works" it would be considered
an unsupported configuration by Adobe. There is absolutely NO technical
support for using Adobe applications under such environments. (A similar
issue came up with regards to running InDesign under WINE on various
Linux and UNIX platforms.)

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Findon
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:53 PM
>
> On 14 Feb 2008, at 21:22, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
> > Just so nobody has any unwarranted expectations ...
> >
> > Regardless of whether you or I like it, the next major version
> > of FrameMaker will NOT support Macintosh natively for the exact
> > same reasons such support was discontinued in the first place.
> > You obviously can try to use it under Parallels or Boot Camp on
> > MacIntel systems.
>
> A new version of WINE was released last week, so if you're an Intel
> Mac user and want to run Windows FrameMaker without Windows, VMWare,
> Parallels, or Boot Camp, you may wish to give it a try. They're
> looking for Framemaker users to test Framemaker and report bugs. More
> at:
> 
>
> Paul
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Markers in the text

[Deirdre Reagan]

Well, I never figured out what the codes mean, but I did figure out
how to get rid of the error message.

You people are terrifically helpful and I can't tell you how much I
appreciate knowing I have a resource to go to when I have questions.

Thank you so much!

Deirdre

Markers in the text

[Chen, Loretta]

Hi Deirdre,

If these are chapter names, it's probably showing up because you changed
your view conditional text settings in those chapters to deal with your
problem. Frame will warn you if you have them different in different
chapters in a book. Theoretically, you'll want them all set for Print
Only or Help Only when you're doing production.

To change all the conditional text settings in a book at once, highlight
all chapters and click View > Show/Hide conditional text.

FYI, you can also get messages like this (like about page numbers being
inconsistent) when you make changes in a book. Update the book and it
will probably disappear

L.

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:03 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Markers in the text

Thanks all for the responses.  I've discovered that the Ts are
conditional text markers.  They hide the word "Or."

Ok then!  I deleted them, ran my book, and now am getting the message:
Show/Hide setting for FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_ADDED is inconsistent.
Show/Hide setting for FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_DELETED is inconsistent.

Anyone know what I should do (other than reinsert the conditional text
-- we don't need those paragraphs anymore) to get rid of this message?

Thanks!

Deirdre
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FM abruptly closes with no save

[Chen, Loretta]

I was going to stay out of this, but it happens to me every day of the
week -- whenever I try to use my mouse and the Framemaker scroll bar
(instead of touchpad scroll or arrows/pg up/down). 

Random crashes. Has nothing to do with graphics. Just reaching
for/moving the scroll bar with a certain velocity.

It happened with 7.1 and I was hoping it'd be fixed by 7.2. but no go. I
searched once for a bug/solution and never saw it mentioned so I figured
it was my machine. But it's been happening for at least a year now even
after I switched machines...

L.



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Wilk, Susan
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:32 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

I have been experiencing the same problem as Christopher. I am running
FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP. (And Christopher, I am not a newbie--I
have been using Fm for well over 10 years.)

The last time FM crashed in this way, I had just imported an image
(gif), reduced the size, and was adjusting the frame with the bottom
center handle.

Susan Sackett-Wilk
The TriZetto Group
Irving, Texas




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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pete Rourke
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:19 PM
To: 'Brewster, Christopher C'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save

You might try saving the powerpoint image as a png / bmp / gif, and then
do a import file. 
What version of FM, & what platform?
Pete Rourke
Chandler, AZ

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Brewster,
Christopher C
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:11 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM abruptly closes with no save

I've been learning FM in the middle of a project, and it sometimes seems
a bit ornery. I'm inserting graphics linked from a Powerpoint file.
First I do Special > Anchored Frame, and set "Top of column". Then I
paste the graphic into the frame. Twice today, after I have done this
process 5 or 10 times, I perform the first step and suddenly FM closes
without saving. Since contemporary software usually includes a Newbie
Detector Module to make things more exciting for the beginner, maybe
someone could suggest a way to make myself less obvious to the NDM.
Thanks.

Christopher C. Brewster 

Lockheed Martin





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Language Translation Estimates

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

Lin...

I would think the costs would depend a lot on how difficult the 
document is to translate. Plain English text must be a lot easier 
than that with many difficult technical terms and convoluted 
explanations that a non-technical translator may find difficult to 
understand. The only valid way to sort this out is to get a qualified 
translator to tell you how long it would take. They can only do that 
if they see the files.

Frankly, the estimate Art received seems like a bargain to me. I'm a 
little curious about how the fonts and formatting would be handled in 
such a situation if the alphabets and characters are significantly different.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
***
At 01:51 PM 2/14/2008, Lin Surasky wrote:
>Thanks, Art. I'm looking into that now. I see several sites have cost
>estimates, but no one has a time estimate (i.e., x many hours per page
>or per word). Unfortunately, I'm not so sure we're going to outsource
>this; it may be done in-house, but I have no idea how long I should tell
>them it will take!
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:49 PM
> > To: Lin Surasky
> > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: Language Translation Estimates
> >
> > I just received estimates from vendors for a 250 English word
> > document to be translated into 7 languages, including
> > reformatting in Frame.
> > Range was $700-800 for that particular package. About $100
> > per language for that word count.
> >
> > All the vendors I chatted with were quite happy to provide an
> > estimate from the files I sent them... so I'd suggest taking
> > the extra time to talk to several vendors so you can get an
> > accurate range.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Art
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Lin Surasky
> >  wrote:
> > > Hi all-
> > >
> > >  With the Chatauqua going on, I'm having trouble hunting
> > people down,
> > > and  of course my boss needs an answer to this yesterday
> > (even though
> > > he only  asked me today)
> > >
> > >  We're considering translating our docs library from
> > English into French.
> > >  Everything is in FrameMaker, the templates are simple and
> > there are
> > > lots  of screen shots that will need to be replaced. How do you
> > > esimate a  project like this? How many minutes/hours per page for
> > > language  translation, cleanup/layout and graphics replacement?
> > > (Assume only 1  graphic per page)
> > >
> > >  Anyone have any great sites (or insight) to share?
> > >
> > >  Thanks!
> > >  Lin
> > >
> > >  PS - Ann or Diane G -- I know you're out there somewhere!
> > Help a girl
> > > out, wouldya? ;-)  ___
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
> >  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> >  and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> >  No disclaimers apply.
> >  DoD 358
> >
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Tech Suite Integration

[Don Rinderknecht]

I've looked into the tech suite just a little bit, and noticed that the 
FM and RH are "enhanced" versions.
I gather this is on the integration of the two products.

Are there any differences in Captivate or Acrobat 3D from the standard 
versions?

Has anyone had experience with these enhanced versions?
How does it affect your workflow when creating documentation?

Any hints on where I can find more information about the details of the 
differences in the Tech Suite versions?

Thanks,
Don

future of FrameMaker

[John Posada]

Is it that time again?

On 2/14/08, Jakob Fix  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
> information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
> people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
> Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
>