Re: How can I use a User Variable *inside* a marker?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Z,

There is no way to put variables inside of markers.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


 Specifically, I want to be able to put in a Hypertext marker (in
 multiple places in the document) and do something like:
 
 gotolink Text
 
 as the command, where Text is actually a User Variable.
 
 Also, I want to be able to set the link destination in the same way, by
 selecting some text in the document and putting in a hypertext marker
 with:
 
 newlink Text
 
 as the command!
 
 Is there any way to do this?
 
 Z

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RE: How can I use a User Variable *inside* a marker?

[Syed.Hosain]

Oh, well.

Thanks anyway!

Z

 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Quatro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:31 AM
 To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]);
framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: How can I use a User Variable *inside* a marker?
 
 Hi Z,
 
 There is no way to put variables inside of markers.
 
 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com
 
 
  Specifically, I want to be able to put in a Hypertext marker (in
  multiple places in the document) and do something like:
 
  gotolink Text
 
  as the command, where Text is actually a User Variable.
 
  Also, I want to be able to set the link destination in the same way,
by
  selecting some text in the document and putting in a hypertext
marker
  with:
 
  newlink Text
 
  as the command!
 
  Is there any way to do this?
 
  Z
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question about modification date variable

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hello all!

I am staring at my FM 8.0 document and realize it's time yet again to
call on my good friends on teh intertubes.

I have a document of probably 30 pages with a Record of Revisions page.

The date on every single page is a cross reference to the original
date variable on the Record of Revisions page.  Does that sound right
to you?

I'm asking because I'm wondering how to deal with revisions.  How do I
modify the date on the pages that have been revised?  Put a
modification date variable on the Record of Revisions page then
manually erase the cross-reference on each affected page and insert a
cross-reference to the Record of Revision modification date variable?

That seems like a lot of manual labor, and adding the cross reference
will actually take more time than just cutting and pasting the revised
date.  And the automation of the cross-reference is irrelevant because
once the date's in place, it never changes except to get replaced by a
new revision date, which I have to do manually (see above).  Am I
missing something?

I've checked both Help in FM and the varible section in the Adobe FM
User Guide, but I haven't found the answer.

Also, is there a good tutorial anywhere that can teach me all of this
stuff?  Or is it a matter of experience?

Thanks,

Deirdre
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MadCap Blaze

[quills]

I have been waiting with baited breath ever since the rumors of MadCap Blaze 
came forth, that a replacement to 
FrameMaker was in the works. I just downloaded the public beta.

Has anyone else done so? If so I wonder if anyone else shares my disappointment.

Blaze appears to be a variant of Flare. It isn't an authoring tool so much as a 
conversion tool. It seems not to know 
if its main thrust is HTML or XML, and it seems to lean heavily toward HTML.

I think that this product sufferes from delusions of adequacy. I am not a fan 
of MadCap Flare, it's interface is 
convoluted and difficult to master, and those same features have been 
duplicated for Blaze. I really don't see much 
difference between the two products.

Now I see that the printed media solution is Press. 

It makes me wonder if MadCap is trying to emulate the Interleaf model, multiple 
products for a single solution. 
Mulitple prices for a single solution. Interleaf at the very least produced 
solid SGML. It had a fairly good GUI and 
method for assigning formatting tags. FrameMaker was simplier, monolithic and 
cheaper.

With what MadCap is doing they seem bent on producing a series of products that 
are more complicated, and more 
expensive than FrameMaker and any other conversion tool with it.

Does anyone else have a simliar view of this, or a different experience?

It feels like Blue Sky happening all over again.

Scott
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Re: MadCap Blaze

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Scott,

I downloaded and installed it as well, but there was no documentation to 
speak of. The interface was anything but intuitive so I uninstalled it. When 
they have some kind of tutorial available, I may try it again.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



 I have been waiting with baited breath ever since the rumors of MadCap 
 Blaze came forth, that a replacement to
 FrameMaker was in the works. I just downloaded the public beta.

 Has anyone else done so? If so I wonder if anyone else shares my 
 disappointment.

 Blaze appears to be a variant of Flare. It isn't an authoring tool so much 
 as a conversion tool. It seems not to know
 if its main thrust is HTML or XML, and it seems to lean heavily toward 
 HTML.

 I think that this product sufferes from delusions of adequacy. I am not a 
 fan of MadCap Flare, it's interface is
 convoluted and difficult to master, and those same features have been 
 duplicated for Blaze. I really don't see much
 difference between the two products.

 Now I see that the printed media solution is Press.

 It makes me wonder if MadCap is trying to emulate the Interleaf model, 
 multiple products for a single solution.
 Mulitple prices for a single solution. Interleaf at the very least 
 produced solid SGML. It had a fairly good GUI and
 method for assigning formatting tags. FrameMaker was simplier, monolithic 
 and cheaper.

 With what MadCap is doing they seem bent on producing a series of products 
 that are more complicated, and more
 expensive than FrameMaker and any other conversion tool with it.

 Does anyone else have a simliar view of this, or a different experience?

 It feels like Blue Sky happening all over again.

 Scott
 

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Re: MadCap Blaze

[Bill Swallow]

I honestly came to the same conclusions about Blaze. I don't see it
being that much different from Flare at all. I was also disappointed
that it wasn't true XML (it's XHTML) and that it's not DITA capable
from what I've seen. IMO it's not an alternative to FM at all.

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:30 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have been waiting with baited breath ever since the rumors of MadCap Blaze 
 came forth, that a replacement to
  FrameMaker was in the works. I just downloaded the public beta.

  Has anyone else done so? If so I wonder if anyone else shares my 
 disappointment.

  Blaze appears to be a variant of Flare. It isn't an authoring tool so much 
 as a conversion tool. It seems not to know
  if its main thrust is HTML or XML, and it seems to lean heavily toward HTML.

-- 
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HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
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Re: MadCap Blaze

[Rick Henkel]

 Blaze appears to be a variant of Flare. It isn't an authoring tool so much as 
 a conversion tool. It seems not to know 
 if its main thrust is HTML or XML, and it seems to lean heavily toward HTML.
   


Blaze essentially IS Flare in that, if I remember correctly, all the 
functionality in Blaze is also in Flare. Flare then has additional 
publishing functionality.

==
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RE: FrameMaker 7.2 and Vista

[Ragnar Hanas]

I am running FM 7.2 b144 on a laptop with Vista Business. I have the issue
with maker.ini and UAC but otherwise no problems, runs smoothly without
crashes, i.e. like on XP. I just installed the b158 patch without problems
in XP mode as mentioned below.
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla, Sweden

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Hi Denise,

Thank you very much. That solved the problem.

Rick


  Rick,

  I am at work (an XP system), not at home on my Vista system. However, if I
remember correctly, right-click on the patch install file. From properties,
one of the tabs says something like run as XP. 

  Best,

   Denise L. Moss-Fritch
   Lead Technical Writer
   Varian Medical Systems
   Palo Alto, CA

-- Original message -- 
From: Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Hi Framers, 
 
 I installed FrameMaker 7.2 successfully on a Vista Home Premium
laptop. I 
 wasn't able to install either of the FrameMaker 7.2 patches because of

 errors with the installers. Does anyone have any extensive experience
with 
 FrameMaker 7.2 and Vista? Are there any issues to be aware of? Thank
you 
 very much. 
 
 Rick Quatro 
 Carmen Publishing 
 585-659-8267 
 www.frameexpert.com  
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Re: How can I use a User Variable *inside* a marker?

[Terry Smith]

You can add user variables to markers with the MarkerTools program from
Leximation.

-Terry Smith
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Re: MadCap Blaze

[Bill Swallow]

  Blaze essentially IS Flare in that, if I remember correctly, all the
  functionality in Blaze is also in Flare. Flare then has additional
  publishing functionality.

Flare has more than Blaze? Ir did you mean that the other way around?

Either way, I'm kind of stumped why Blaze wasn't just made into a
significant Flare upgrade.

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Re: MadCap Blaze

[Rick Henkel]

 Flare has more than Blaze? Ir did you mean that the other way around?

   

Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze :: Acrobat : Reader


Rick


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Re: MadCap Blaze

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Am 19.03.2008 um 17:05 schrieb Rick Henkel:

 Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze ::  
 Acrobat : Reader

They must have something up their sleeve... or why did they once  
position Blaze as FrameMaker killer? You wouldn't expect a serious  
company to exaggerate things like that, would you? Maybe I forgot,  
that in marketing everything is allowed...

Well, FrameMaker is still listed two times on the Blaze website: As  
possible import format and as output format (which would only be  
necessary if the products own print layout capabilities are somewhat  
limited).

BTW, I am hesitant to install .NET 3.0 and enjoy your reports!

- Michael

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RE: How can I use a User Variable *inside* a marker?

[Syed.Hosain]

Thanks! I will try that ...

Z

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 Subject: Re: How can I use a User Variable *inside* a marker?
 
 You can add user variables to markers with the MarkerTools program
from
 Leximation.
 
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RE: MadCap Blaze

[Flato, Gillian]

Sharon Burton, from MadCap, did a presentation at our last STC meeting. She 
said that Blaze was for people who only did print publishing and Flare was for 
print and help files etc. 

Both Blaze and Flare make you write in a topic-oriented way, yet it doesn't do 
DITA. Sharon talked about all of the advantages of doing topic-oriented 
writing. 

I asked her why MadCap would make a product that doesn't do DITA when they are 
trying to compete with Frame. I said that right now, with Frame 8, all I had to 
do was flip it to structured and I had DITA, so moving to Blaze or Flare was a 
step backward. She didn't really have an answer for me on that.

She said that Madcap was creating a CMS first, and then it was going to make 
Blaze and Flare DITA compatible. I told her that in my opinion, that was a bad 
plan. They will never be competitive with Frame until they do DITA, and no one 
is going to buy a CMS when they can get Subversion and CVS for free so they 
would be better off doing DITA now and the CMS later.

I don't know if she passed on what I said to the MadCap people but we'll see. 


Thank you,

 

Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr. 
Milpitas, CA. 95035
408.545.6316
408.232.5911
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael 
Müller-Hillebrand
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:17 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: MadCap Blaze

Am 19.03.2008 um 17:05 schrieb Rick Henkel:

 Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze ::  
 Acrobat : Reader

They must have something up their sleeve... or why did they once  
position Blaze as FrameMaker killer? You wouldn't expect a serious  
company to exaggerate things like that, would you? Maybe I forgot,  
that in marketing everything is allowed...

Well, FrameMaker is still listed two times on the Blaze website: As  
possible import format and as output format (which would only be  
necessary if the products own print layout capabilities are somewhat  
limited).

BTW, I am hesitant to install .NET 3.0 and enjoy your reports!

- Michael

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RE: MadCap Blaze

[Gordon McLean]

The other products in the MadCap lineup hint more at the CMS route (check
their press release pages).

Once they get those items in play it could be an interesting product set,
and personally I think they are right to take on Adobe, even if they are
falling short at the moment. Should keep Adobe on their toes (as well as the
other vendors). Personally I think the MadCap product suite will more
closely compete with AuthorIT but... hey, only time will tell.

Gordon 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flato, Gillian
Sent: 19 March 2008 16:33
To: Frame Users
Subject: RE: MadCap Blaze

Sharon Burton, from MadCap, did a presentation at our last STC meeting. She
said that Blaze was for people who only did print publishing and Flare was
for print and help files etc. 

Both Blaze and Flare make you write in a topic-oriented way, yet it doesn't
do DITA. Sharon talked about all of the advantages of doing topic-oriented
writing. 

I asked her why MadCap would make a product that doesn't do DITA when they
are trying to compete with Frame. I said that right now, with Frame 8, all I
had to do was flip it to structured and I had DITA, so moving to Blaze or
Flare was a step backward. She didn't really have an answer for me on that.

She said that Madcap was creating a CMS first, and then it was going to make
Blaze and Flare DITA compatible. I told her that in my opinion, that was a
bad plan. They will never be competitive with Frame until they do DITA, and
no one is going to buy a CMS when they can get Subversion and CVS for free
so they would be better off doing DITA now and the CMS later.

I don't know if she passed on what I said to the MadCap people but we'll
see. 


Thank you,

 

Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr. 
Milpitas, CA. 95035
408.545.6316
408.232.5911
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
Müller-Hillebrand
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:17 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: MadCap Blaze

Am 19.03.2008 um 17:05 schrieb Rick Henkel:

 Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze ::  
 Acrobat : Reader

They must have something up their sleeve... or why did they once position
Blaze as FrameMaker killer? You wouldn't expect a serious company to
exaggerate things like that, would you? Maybe I forgot, that in marketing
everything is allowed...

Well, FrameMaker is still listed two times on the Blaze website: As possible
import format and as output format (which would only be necessary if the
products own print layout capabilities are somewhat limited).

BTW, I am hesitant to install .NET 3.0 and enjoy your reports!

- Michael

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Re: MadCap Blaze

[William Gaffga]

I downloaded it. Underwhelmed.

We purchased Flare in our move away from WebWorks Publisher Pro and I am 
just starting to learn it. I looked at Blaze and was shocked that it 
looked identical to Flare and that I had no idea how to go about making 
a book. Never have I acquired a DTP, layout or text app of any sort and 
had no idea how to proceed. If I banged my head against it for a little 
while I'm sure I'd get it but decided instead to import a FM book (about 
350 pages) and look at the results.

30 minutes later I had a bunch of files all in one structure. PNGs mixed 
in with HTML files. Chaos. And HTML files? You gotta be kidding me.

If I have a lot of free time on my hands I might look again but right 
now ... not looking at Blaze at all as a replacement for FM.

Will.

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FrameMaker Index of Referenced Graphics

[Hales-Crotchett, Nicole]

Hi,

 

Back in January, Mr. Combs offered the following great solution to creating a 
list of referenced graphics in a document. 

 

Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:34:14 -0700

From: Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: RE: List of linked graphic file locations

 

Nope, if they're really _linked_ (imported by reference), it's a piece of cake. 
From the book window, with the last file in the book selected, select Add  
Index of  References. In the Set Up dialog box, move Imported Graphics to the 
Include References box. Click Add. Voila! At the end of your book, FM adds an 
alphabetical index of referenced graphics. Each entry shows the complete path 
and file name. 

 

HTH!

Richard

 

I was wondering if anyone has a QD solution that would create not an 
alphabetical list, but a list in order by page number. Here’s my code from the 
Reference Pages:

 

1, 2–3

 

$symbols$numerics$alphabetics

-‑–—

Level1IOR

openObjectId $relfilename:$ObjectType $ObjectId

$autorange$chapnum‑$pagenum

 

I’ve been tinkering around with this all morning and can’t figure out how to 
bend it to my will. Any suggestions?

 

FrameMaker 7.1 unstructured, Windoze XP Pro.

 

Thanks in advance,

Nicole 

 

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RE: FrameMaker Index of Referenced Graphics

[Combs, Richard]

Hales-Crotchett, Nicole wrote:
 
 Back in January, Mr. Combs offered the following great 
 solution to creating a list of referenced graphics in a document. 
 
snip  
 
 I was wondering if anyone has a QD solution that would 
 create not an alphabetical list, but a list in order by page 
 number. Here's my code from the Reference Pages:
 
snip 
 
 I've been tinkering around with this all morning and can't 
 figure out how to bend it to my will. Any suggestions?

Step away from that reference page! :-)

FM supports two broad categories of generated lists: an _Index_ is in
alphabetical order; a _List_ is in order of occurrence (that is, page
number order). 

So, you just need to repeat my previous instructions, but this time
select Add  List of  References. 

HTH!
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RE: FrameMaker Index of Referenced Graphics

[Hales-Crotchett, Nicole]

Thanks to all who offered suggestions on  offline-problem solved with a
list of references rather than index.

 

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control!

[Mollye Barrett]

Hi All,

I have many unstructured books and would like to do two things:

1- Contol the chapter name based on the chapter number
Chapter 2 = Operation
Chapter 3 = Lubrication

Can I do this with a sort of map on the reference pages and control it at
the book level or simply have the chapter name change based on numbering
properties?

2- Control a book number in the footer on the book

Thanks for all your help...past, present and future!

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ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378
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Re: control!

[Art Campbell]

Mollye,
What, exactly, do you mean by control?
Do you mean set and prevent anyone from altering it, or

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Mollye Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All,

  I have many unstructured books and would like to do two things:

  1- Contol the chapter name based on the chapter number
  Chapter 2 = Operation
  Chapter 3 = Lubrication

  Can I do this with a sort of map on the reference pages and control it at
  the book level or simply have the chapter name change based on numbering
  properties?

  2- Control a book number in the footer on the book

  Thanks for all your help...past, present and future!

  Mollye Barrett
  ClearPath, LLC
  414-331-1378
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Re: control!

[Mollye Barrett]

Art,
No not quite, but that likely what I implied. What's needed is automation.
I'm revamping these books so the styles change (too frequently) and
importing format across many, many files can be messy. I'd like to control
this so it's more automated and works from the book leve as much as
possible.




 Mollye,
 What, exactly, do you mean by control?
 Do you mean set and prevent anyone from altering it, or

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Mollye Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Hi All,

  I have many unstructured books and would like to do two things:

  1- Contol the chapter name based on the chapter number
  Chapter 2 = Operation
  Chapter 3 = Lubrication

  Can I do this with a sort of map on the reference pages and control it
 at
  the book level or simply have the chapter name change based on
 numbering
  properties?

  2- Control a book number in the footer on the book

  Thanks for all your help...past, present and future!

  Mollye Barrett
  ClearPath, LLC
  414-331-1378
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Re: control!

[Art Campbell]

Mollye,

I think #2 is pretty easy -- I'd just create a BookNumber variable
that lived in all of the book's component files. Pick one master file,
insert the variable in the footer on the master page(s). Then set the
contents of the variable in that master file, and Import  Formats 
Variables and Page Layouts into all the component files.

Number 1, though, I'd only try to play with if you're sure the chapter
orders are not going to change. I think the only way you could do it
automatically is with FrameScript...

I'd keep that one looser, myself, and just have separate tags for
ChapterNumber and ChapterTitle.
Then type the actual chapter title in as text. And use $paratext
variables or cross-references to propagate it.

Art




On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Mollye Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Art,
  No not quite, but that likely what I implied. What's needed is automation.
  I'm revamping these books so the styles change (too frequently) and
  importing format across many, many files can be messy. I'd like to control
  this so it's more automated and works from the book leve as much as
  possible.






   Mollye,
   What, exactly, do you mean by control?
   Do you mean set and prevent anyone from altering it, or
  
   On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Mollye Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   Hi All,
  
I have many unstructured books and would like to do two things:
  
1- Contol the chapter name based on the chapter number
Chapter 2 = Operation
Chapter 3 = Lubrication
  
Can I do this with a sort of map on the reference pages and control it
   at
the book level or simply have the chapter name change based on
   numbering
properties?
  
2- Control a book number in the footer on the book
  
Thanks for all your help...past, present and future!
  
Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378
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Re: control!

[Mollye Barrett]

Thanks Art, I'll give #2 a try tomorrow morning.

Sounds like I have several scripting opportunities and will be pulling
together all the pieces next week.

Thanks again!
Mollye

 Mollye,

 I think #2 is pretty easy -- I'd just create a BookNumber variable
 that lived in all of the book's component files. Pick one master file,
 insert the variable in the footer on the master page(s). Then set the
 contents of the variable in that master file, and Import  Formats 
 Variables and Page Layouts into all the component files.

 Number 1, though, I'd only try to play with if you're sure the chapter
 orders are not going to change. I think the only way you could do it
 automatically is with FrameScript...

 I'd keep that one looser, myself, and just have separate tags for
 ChapterNumber and ChapterTitle.
 Then type the actual chapter title in as text. And use $paratext
 variables or cross-references to propagate it.

 Art




 On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Mollye Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Art,
  No not quite, but that likely what I implied. What's needed is
 automation.
  I'm revamping these books so the styles change (too frequently) and
  importing format across many, many files can be messy. I'd like to
 control
  this so it's more automated and works from the book leve as much as
  possible.






   Mollye,
   What, exactly, do you mean by control?
   Do you mean set and prevent anyone from altering it, or
  
   On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Mollye Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   Hi All,
  
I have many unstructured books and would like to do two things:
  
1- Contol the chapter name based on the chapter number
Chapter 2 = Operation
Chapter 3 = Lubrication
  
Can I do this with a sort of map on the reference pages and control
 it
   at
the book level or simply have the chapter name change based on
   numbering
properties?
  
2- Control a book number in the footer on the book
  
Thanks for all your help...past, present and future!
  
Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378
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XLST STYLESHEETS

[Flato, Gillian]

Does anyone know a good source for Xlst stylesheets for structured
Frame? Are they easy to create with Frame? I want my PDF to look as good
as it does in unstructured Frame.
 

Thank you,

 

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

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RE: XLST STYLESHEETS

[Flato, Gillian]

Is creating an EDD in structured Frame as easy as creating a master page
and para/char tags in unstructured Frame?
 

Thank you,

 

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

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From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:10 PM
To: Flato, Gillian
Subject: RE: XLST STYLESHEETS


XSLT does not deal with formatting. You use XSLT to rearrange
content
or to include/exclude particular elements based on tags,
attributes, or
location in the node tree (e.g. what element it is a child of). 
 
Formatting is handled by the EDD.

 Subject: XLST STYLESHEETS
 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:21:50 -0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Does anyone know a good source for Xlst stylesheets for
structured
 Frame? Are they easy to create with Frame? I want my PDF to
look as good
 as it does in unstructured Frame.
 
 
 Thank you,
 
 
 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 Gillian Flato
 
 Technical Writer (Software)
 
 nanometrics
 
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More like a flicker than a Blaze

[Hedley Finger]

Blaze the FrameMaker killer?  Don't make me laugh.

What about a named style for everything?  What about smart 
cross-references?  What about variables?  What about advanced search 
and replace for anything?  What about diagnostic reports?

XHTML, not even XML.  No DITA.

Adobe will be able to have a good laugh and sink back into its 
customary state of complacency.

Frame killer?  Frame tickler.

And I wanted so much for it to be an advanced XML-based editor with 
CSS3 page layout styling, or even a nifty XSL-FO styler.  Breathe 
easy Arbortext.

Regards,
Hedley

P.S.  But if I want an advanced XHTML editor for my web site, this 
baby will do.


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RE: XLST STYLESHEETS

[Martin R. Smith]

 
Hi,

I would say that developing an EDD is more analogous to developing a DTD,
though FrameMaker provides an easy user interface for this purpose.

I have developed a minimilist EDD that I use to control help-specific
behavior WebWorks ePublisher Pro. I presented a paper on this subject at the
WebWorks RoundUp conference last November. I would be happy to send you the
paper, EDD, and page template if you are interested. You could play around
with the EDD and get a sense for how everything fits together.

Best regards,

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RE: MadCap Blaze

[Catherine Woods]

I haven't even installed Blaze yet! But I will anyway even though nothing I
heard so far is good.

I'm interested in this CMS that you mentioned. I'm not using structure yet
(haven't found a good enough reason). But writing in topics is becoming a
real management nightmare in FrameMaker.


Catherine Woods
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Polycom Canada
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flato, Gillian
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:33 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: RE: MadCap Blaze


Sharon Burton, from MadCap, did a presentation at our last STC meeting. She
said that Blaze was for people who only did print publishing and Flare was
for print and help files etc. 

Both Blaze and Flare make you write in a topic-oriented way, yet it doesn't
do DITA. Sharon talked about all of the advantages of doing topic-oriented
writing. 

I asked her why MadCap would make a product that doesn't do DITA when they
are trying to compete with Frame. I said that right now, with Frame 8, all I
had to do was flip it to structured and I had DITA, so moving to Blaze or
Flare was a step backward. She didn't really have an answer for me on that.

She said that Madcap was creating a CMS first, and then it was going to make
Blaze and Flare DITA compatible. I told her that in my opinion, that was a
bad plan. They will never be competitive with Frame until they do DITA, and
no one is going to buy a CMS when they can get Subversion and CVS for free
so they would be better off doing DITA now and the CMS later.

I don't know if she passed on what I said to the MadCap people but we'll
see. 


Thank you,

 

Gillian Flato
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:17 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: MadCap Blaze

Am 19.03.2008 um 17:05 schrieb Rick Henkel:

 Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze ::  
 Acrobat : Reader

They must have something up their sleeve... or why did they once  
position Blaze as FrameMaker killer? You wouldn't expect a serious  
company to exaggerate things like that, would you? Maybe I forgot,  
that in marketing everything is allowed...

Well, FrameMaker is still listed two times on the Blaze website: As  
possible import format and as output format (which would only be  
necessary if the products own print layout capabilities are somewhat  
limited).

BTW, I am hesitant to install .NET 3.0 and enjoy your reports!

- Michael

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How can I use a User Variable *inside* a marker?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Z,

There is no way to put variables inside of markers.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> Specifically, I want to be able to put in a Hypertext marker (in
> multiple places in the document) and do something like:
> 
> gotolink Text
> 
> as the command, where "Text" is actually a User Variable.
> 
> Also, I want to be able to set the link destination in the same way, by
> selecting some text in the document and putting in a hypertext marker
> with:
> 
> newlink Text
> 
> as the command!
> 
> Is there any way to do this?
> 
> Z

How can I use a User Variable *inside* a marker?

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Oh, well.

Thanks anyway!

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexpert at truevine.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:31 AM
> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net);
framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: How can I use a User Variable *inside* a marker?
> 
> Hi Z,
> 
> There is no way to put variables inside of markers.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> > Specifically, I want to be able to put in a Hypertext marker (in
> > multiple places in the document) and do something like:
> >
> > gotolink Text
> >
> > as the command, where "Text" is actually a User Variable.
> >
> > Also, I want to be able to set the link destination in the same way,
by
> > selecting some text in the document and putting in a hypertext
marker
> > with:
> >
> > newlink Text
> >
> > as the command!
> >
> > Is there any way to do this?
> >
> > Z

question about modification date variable

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hello all!

I am staring at my FM 8.0 document and realize it's time yet again to
call on my good friends on teh intertubes.

I have a document of probably 30 pages with a Record of Revisions page.

The date on every single page is a cross reference to the original
date variable on the Record of Revisions page.  Does that sound right
to you?

I'm asking because I'm wondering how to deal with revisions.  How do I
modify the date on the pages that have been revised?  Put a
modification date variable on the Record of Revisions page then
manually erase the cross-reference on each affected page and insert a
cross-reference to the Record of Revision modification date variable?

That seems like a lot of manual labor, and adding the cross reference
will actually take more time than just cutting and pasting the revised
date.  And the automation of the cross-reference is irrelevant because
once the date's in place, it never changes except to get replaced by a
new revision date, which I have to do manually (see above).  Am I
missing something?

I've checked both Help in FM and the varible section in the Adobe FM
User Guide, but I haven't found the answer.

Also, is there a good tutorial anywhere that can teach me all of this
stuff?  Or is it a matter of experience?

Thanks,

Deirdre

MadCap Blaze

[qui...@airmail.net]

I have been waiting with baited breath ever since the rumors of MadCap Blaze 
came forth, that a replacement to 
FrameMaker was in the works. I just downloaded the public beta.

Has anyone else done so? If so I wonder if anyone else shares my disappointment.

Blaze appears to be a variant of Flare. It isn't an authoring tool so much as a 
conversion tool. It seems not to know 
if its main thrust is HTML or XML, and it seems to lean heavily toward HTML.

I think that this product sufferes from delusions of adequacy. I am not a fan 
of MadCap Flare, it's interface is 
convoluted and difficult to master, and those same features have been 
duplicated for Blaze. I really don't see much 
difference between the two products.

Now I see that the printed media solution is Press. 

It makes me wonder if MadCap is trying to emulate the Interleaf model, multiple 
products for a single solution. 
Mulitple prices for a single solution. Interleaf at the very least produced 
solid SGML. It had a fairly good GUI and 
method for assigning formatting tags. FrameMaker was simplier, monolithic and 
cheaper.

With what MadCap is doing they seem bent on producing a series of products that 
are more complicated, and more 
expensive than FrameMaker and any other conversion tool with it.

Does anyone else have a simliar view of this, or a different experience?

It feels like Blue Sky happening all over again.

Scott
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MadCap Blaze

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Scott,

I downloaded and installed it as well, but there was no documentation to 
speak of. The interface was anything but intuitive so I uninstalled it. When 
they have some kind of tutorial available, I may try it again.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


>
> I have been waiting with baited breath ever since the rumors of MadCap 
> Blaze came forth, that a replacement to
> FrameMaker was in the works. I just downloaded the public beta.
>
> Has anyone else done so? If so I wonder if anyone else shares my 
> disappointment.
>
> Blaze appears to be a variant of Flare. It isn't an authoring tool so much 
> as a conversion tool. It seems not to know
> if its main thrust is HTML or XML, and it seems to lean heavily toward 
> HTML.
>
> I think that this product sufferes from delusions of adequacy. I am not a 
> fan of MadCap Flare, it's interface is
> convoluted and difficult to master, and those same features have been 
> duplicated for Blaze. I really don't see much
> difference between the two products.
>
> Now I see that the printed media solution is Press.
>
> It makes me wonder if MadCap is trying to emulate the Interleaf model, 
> multiple products for a single solution.
> Mulitple prices for a single solution. Interleaf at the very least 
> produced solid SGML. It had a fairly good GUI and
> method for assigning formatting tags. FrameMaker was simplier, monolithic 
> and cheaper.
>
> With what MadCap is doing they seem bent on producing a series of products 
> that are more complicated, and more
> expensive than FrameMaker and any other conversion tool with it.
>
> Does anyone else have a simliar view of this, or a different experience?
>
> It feels like Blue Sky happening all over again.
>
> Scott
> 

MadCap Blaze

[Bill Swallow]

I honestly came to the same conclusions about Blaze. I don't see it
being that much different from Flare at all. I was also disappointed
that it wasn't true XML (it's XHTML) and that it's not DITA capable
from what I've seen. IMO it's not an alternative to FM at all.

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:30 AM,   wrote:
>
>  I have been waiting with baited breath ever since the rumors of MadCap Blaze 
> came forth, that a replacement to
>  FrameMaker was in the works. I just downloaded the public beta.
>
>  Has anyone else done so? If so I wonder if anyone else shares my 
> disappointment.
>
>  Blaze appears to be a variant of Flare. It isn't an authoring tool so much 
> as a conversion tool. It seems not to know
>  if its main thrust is HTML or XML, and it seems to lean heavily toward HTML.

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MadCap Blaze

[Rick Henkel]

> Blaze appears to be a variant of Flare. It isn't an authoring tool so much as 
> a conversion tool. It seems not to know 
> if its main thrust is HTML or XML, and it seems to lean heavily toward HTML.
>   


Blaze essentially IS Flare in that, if I remember correctly, all the 
functionality in Blaze is also in Flare. Flare then has additional 
publishing functionality.

==
Rick Henkel
http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm

MadCap Blaze

[Bill Swallow]

>  Blaze essentially IS Flare in that, if I remember correctly, all the
>  functionality in Blaze is also in Flare. Flare then has additional
>  publishing functionality.

Flare has more than Blaze? Ir did you mean that the other way around?

Either way, I'm kind of stumped why Blaze wasn't just made into a
significant Flare upgrade.

-- 
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STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
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MadCap Blaze

[Rick Henkel]

> Flare has more than Blaze? Ir did you mean that the other way around?
>
>   

Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze :: Acrobat : Reader


Rick

MadCap Blaze

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Am 19.03.2008 um 17:05 schrieb Rick Henkel:

> Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze ::  
> Acrobat : Reader

They must have something up their sleeve... or why did they once  
position Blaze as FrameMaker killer? You wouldn't expect a serious  
company to exaggerate things like that, would you? Maybe I forgot,  
that in marketing everything is allowed...

Well, FrameMaker is still listed two times on the Blaze website: As  
possible import format and as output format (which would only be  
necessary if the products own print layout capabilities are somewhat  
limited).

BTW, I am hesitant to install .NET 3.0 and enjoy your reports!

- Michael

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___
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How can I use a User Variable *inside* a marker?

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Thanks! I will try that ...

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MadCap Blaze

[Flato, Gillian]

Sharon Burton, from MadCap, did a presentation at our last STC meeting. She 
said that Blaze was for people who only did print publishing and Flare was for 
print and help files etc. 

Both Blaze and Flare make you write in a topic-oriented way, yet it doesn't do 
DITA. Sharon talked about all of the advantages of doing topic-oriented 
writing. 

I asked her why MadCap would make a product that doesn't do DITA when they are 
trying to compete with Frame. I said that right now, with Frame 8, all I had to 
do was flip it to structured and I had DITA, so moving to Blaze or Flare was a 
step backward. She didn't really have an answer for me on that.

She said that Madcap was creating a CMS first, and then it was going to make 
Blaze and Flare DITA compatible. I told her that in my opinion, that was a bad 
plan. They will never be competitive with Frame until they do DITA, and no one 
is going to buy a CMS when they can get Subversion and CVS for free so they 
would be better off doing DITA now and the CMS later.

I don't know if she passed on what I said to the MadCap people but we'll see. 


Thank you,



Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr. 
Milpitas, CA. 95035
408.545.6316
408.232.5911
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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
M?ller-Hillebrand
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:17 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: MadCap Blaze

Am 19.03.2008 um 17:05 schrieb Rick Henkel:

> Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze ::  
> Acrobat : Reader

They must have something up their sleeve... or why did they once  
position Blaze as FrameMaker killer? You wouldn't expect a serious  
company to exaggerate things like that, would you? Maybe I forgot,  
that in marketing everything is allowed...

Well, FrameMaker is still listed two times on the Blaze website: As  
possible import format and as output format (which would only be  
necessary if the products own print layout capabilities are somewhat  
limited).

BTW, I am hesitant to install .NET 3.0 and enjoy your reports!

- Michael

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MadCap Blaze

[Gordon McLean]

The other products in the MadCap lineup hint more at the CMS route (check
their press release pages).

Once they get those items in play it could be an interesting product set,
and personally I think they are right to take on Adobe, even if they are
falling short at the moment. Should keep Adobe on their toes (as well as the
other vendors). Personally I think the MadCap product suite will more
closely compete with AuthorIT but... hey, only time will tell.

Gordon 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Flato, Gillian
Sent: 19 March 2008 16:33
To: Frame Users
Subject: RE: MadCap Blaze

Sharon Burton, from MadCap, did a presentation at our last STC meeting. She
said that Blaze was for people who only did print publishing and Flare was
for print and help files etc. 

Both Blaze and Flare make you write in a topic-oriented way, yet it doesn't
do DITA. Sharon talked about all of the advantages of doing topic-oriented
writing. 

I asked her why MadCap would make a product that doesn't do DITA when they
are trying to compete with Frame. I said that right now, with Frame 8, all I
had to do was flip it to structured and I had DITA, so moving to Blaze or
Flare was a step backward. She didn't really have an answer for me on that.

She said that Madcap was creating a CMS first, and then it was going to make
Blaze and Flare DITA compatible. I told her that in my opinion, that was a
bad plan. They will never be competitive with Frame until they do DITA, and
no one is going to buy a CMS when they can get Subversion and CVS for free
so they would be better off doing DITA now and the CMS later.

I don't know if she passed on what I said to the MadCap people but we'll
see. 


Thank you,



Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr. 
Milpitas, CA. 95035
408.545.6316
408.232.5911
gflato at nanometrics.com


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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael
M?ller-Hillebrand
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:17 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: MadCap Blaze

Am 19.03.2008 um 17:05 schrieb Rick Henkel:

> Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze ::  
> Acrobat : Reader

They must have something up their sleeve... or why did they once position
Blaze as FrameMaker killer? You wouldn't expect a serious company to
exaggerate things like that, would you? Maybe I forgot, that in marketing
everything is allowed...

Well, FrameMaker is still listed two times on the Blaze website: As possible
import format and as output format (which would only be necessary if the
products own print layout capabilities are somewhat limited).

BTW, I am hesitant to install .NET 3.0 and enjoy your reports!

- Michael

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MadCap Blaze

[William Gaffga]

Flato, Gillian wrote:
> She said that Madcap was creating a CMS first, and then it was going 
> to make Blaze and Flare DITA compatible. I told her that in my 
> opinion, that was a bad plan. They will never be competitive with 
> Frame until they do DITA, and no one is going to buy a CMS when they 
> can get Subversion and CVS for free so they would be better off doing 
> DITA now and the CMS later.
I have to agree. And for the CMS thing, just last night some of us in 
Development were joking about how *everybody* seems to be trying to make 
their own crappy CMS these days. How idiotic.

Will.
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FrameMaker Index of Referenced Graphics

[Hales-Crotchett, Nicole]

Hi,



Back in January, Mr. Combs offered the following great solution to creating a 
list of referenced graphics in a document. 



Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:34:14 -0700

From: "Combs, Richard" 

Subject: RE: List of linked graphic file locations



Nope, if they're really _linked_ (imported by reference), it's a piece of cake. 
From the book window, with the last file in the book selected, select Add > 
Index of > References. In the Set Up dialog box, move Imported Graphics to the 
Include References box. Click Add. Voila! At the end of your book, FM adds an 
alphabetical index of referenced graphics. Each entry shows the complete path 
and file name. 



HTH!

Richard



I was wondering if anyone has a Q solution that would create not an 
alphabetical list, but a list in order by page number. Here?s my code from the 
Reference Pages:



1, 2?3



<$symbols><$numerics><$alphabetics>

-???

Level1IOR

openObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId>

<$autorange><$chapnum>?<$pagenum>



I?ve been tinkering around with this all morning and can?t figure out how to 
bend it to my will. Any suggestions?



FrameMaker 7.1 unstructured, Windoze XP Pro.



Thanks in advance,

Nicole 

FrameMaker Index of Referenced Graphics

[Combs, Richard]

Hales-Crotchett, Nicole wrote:

> Back in January, Mr. Combs offered the following great 
> solution to creating a list of referenced graphics in a document. 
> 
  
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has a Q solution that would 
> create not an alphabetical list, but a list in order by page 
> number. Here's my code from the Reference Pages:
> 
 
> 
> I've been tinkering around with this all morning and can't 
> figure out how to bend it to my will. Any suggestions?

Step away from that reference page! :-)

FM supports two broad categories of generated lists: an _Index_ is in
alphabetical order; a _List_ is in order of occurrence (that is, page
number order). 

So, you just need to repeat my previous instructions, but this time
select Add > List of > References. 

HTH!
Richard


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FrameMaker Index of Referenced Graphics

[Hales-Crotchett, Nicole]

Thanks to all who offered suggestions on & offline-problem solved with a
list of references rather than index.



Ciao!

Nicole

control!

[Mollye Barrett]

Hi All,

I have many unstructured books and would like to do two things:

1- Contol the chapter name based on the chapter number
Chapter 2 = Operation
Chapter 3 = Lubrication

Can I do this with a sort of map on the reference pages and control it at
the book level or simply have the chapter name change based on numbering
properties?

2- Control a book number in the footer on the book

Thanks for all your help...past, present and future!

Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378

control!

[Art Campbell]

Mollye,
What, exactly, do you mean by "control?"
Do you mean set and prevent anyone from altering it, or

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Mollye Barrett  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>  I have many unstructured books and would like to do two things:
>
>  1- Contol the chapter name based on the chapter number
>  Chapter 2 = Operation
>  Chapter 3 = Lubrication
>
>  Can I do this with a sort of map on the reference pages and control it at
>  the book level or simply have the chapter name change based on numbering
>  properties?
>
>  2- Control a book number in the footer on the book
>
>  Thanks for all your help...past, present and future!
>
>  Mollye Barrett
>  ClearPath, LLC
>  414-331-1378
>  ___
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control!

[Mollye Barrett]

Art,
No not quite, but that likely what I implied. What's needed is automation.
I'm revamping these books so the styles change (too frequently) and
importing format across many, many files can be messy. I'd like to control
this so it's more automated and works from the book leve as much as
possible.




> Mollye,
> What, exactly, do you mean by "control?"
> Do you mean set and prevent anyone from altering it, or
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Mollye Barrett 
> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>  I have many unstructured books and would like to do two things:
>>
>>  1- Contol the chapter name based on the chapter number
>>  Chapter 2 = Operation
>>  Chapter 3 = Lubrication
>>
>>  Can I do this with a sort of map on the reference pages and control it
>> at
>>  the book level or simply have the chapter name change based on
>> numbering
>>  properties?
>>
>>  2- Control a book number in the footer on the book
>>
>>  Thanks for all your help...past, present and future!
>>
>>  Mollye Barrett
>>  ClearPath, LLC
>>  414-331-1378
>>  ___
>>
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> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>  DoD 358
>


Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378

control!

[Art Campbell]

Mollye,

I think #2 is pretty easy -- I'd just create a BookNumber variable
that lived in all of the book's component files. Pick one master file,
insert the variable in the footer on the master page(s). Then set the
contents of the variable in that master file, and Import > Formats >
Variables and Page Layouts into all the component files.

Number 1, though, I'd only try to play with if you're sure the chapter
orders are not going to change. I think the only way you could do it
automatically is with FrameScript...

I'd keep that one looser, myself, and just have separate tags for
ChapterNumber and ChapterTitle.
Then type the actual chapter title in as text. And use <$paratext>
variables or cross-references to propagate it.

Art




On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Mollye Barrett  wrote:
> Art,
>  No not quite, but that likely what I implied. What's needed is automation.
>  I'm revamping these books so the styles change (too frequently) and
>  importing format across many, many files can be messy. I'd like to control
>  this so it's more automated and works from the book leve as much as
>  possible.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  > Mollye,
>  > What, exactly, do you mean by "control?"
>  > Do you mean set and prevent anyone from altering it, or
>  >
>  > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Mollye Barrett 
>  > wrote:
>  >> Hi All,
>  >>
>  >>  I have many unstructured books and would like to do two things:
>  >>
>  >>  1- Contol the chapter name based on the chapter number
>  >>  Chapter 2 = Operation
>  >>  Chapter 3 = Lubrication
>  >>
>  >>  Can I do this with a sort of map on the reference pages and control it
>  >> at
>  >>  the book level or simply have the chapter name change based on
>  >> numbering
>  >>  properties?
>  >>
>  >>  2- Control a book number in the footer on the book
>  >>
>  >>  Thanks for all your help...past, present and future!
>  >>
>  >>  Mollye Barrett
>  >>  ClearPath, LLC
>  >>  414-331-1378
>  >>  ___
>  >>
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>  > --
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>  >  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>  > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  >  No disclaimers apply.
>  >  DoD 358
>  >
>
>
>  Mollye Barrett
>  ClearPath, LLC
>  414-331-1378
>



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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

control!

[Mollye Barrett]

Thanks Art, I'll give #2 a try tomorrow morning.

Sounds like I have several scripting opportunities and will be pulling
together all the pieces next week.

Thanks again!
Mollye

> Mollye,
>
> I think #2 is pretty easy -- I'd just create a BookNumber variable
> that lived in all of the book's component files. Pick one master file,
> insert the variable in the footer on the master page(s). Then set the
> contents of the variable in that master file, and Import > Formats >
> Variables and Page Layouts into all the component files.
>
> Number 1, though, I'd only try to play with if you're sure the chapter
> orders are not going to change. I think the only way you could do it
> automatically is with FrameScript...
>
> I'd keep that one looser, myself, and just have separate tags for
> ChapterNumber and ChapterTitle.
> Then type the actual chapter title in as text. And use <$paratext>
> variables or cross-references to propagate it.
>
> Art
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Mollye Barrett 
> wrote:
>> Art,
>>  No not quite, but that likely what I implied. What's needed is
>> automation.
>>  I'm revamping these books so the styles change (too frequently) and
>>  importing format across many, many files can be messy. I'd like to
>> control
>>  this so it's more automated and works from the book leve as much as
>>  possible.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  > Mollye,
>>  > What, exactly, do you mean by "control?"
>>  > Do you mean set and prevent anyone from altering it, or
>>  >
>>  > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Mollye Barrett 
>>  > wrote:
>>  >> Hi All,
>>  >>
>>  >>  I have many unstructured books and would like to do two things:
>>  >>
>>  >>  1- Contol the chapter name based on the chapter number
>>  >>  Chapter 2 = Operation
>>  >>  Chapter 3 = Lubrication
>>  >>
>>  >>  Can I do this with a sort of map on the reference pages and control
>> it
>>  >> at
>>  >>  the book level or simply have the chapter name change based on
>>  >> numbering
>>  >>  properties?
>>  >>
>>  >>  2- Control a book number in the footer on the book
>>  >>
>>  >>  Thanks for all your help...past, present and future!
>>  >>
>>  >>  Mollye Barrett
>>  >>  ClearPath, LLC
>>  >>  414-331-1378
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[Flato, Gillian]

Does anyone know a good source for Xlst stylesheets for structured
Frame? Are they easy to create with Frame? I want my PDF to look as good
as it does in unstructured Frame.


Thank you,



 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

7  408.232.5911

* gflato at nanometrics  .com
 

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[Flato, Gillian]

Is creating an EDD in structured Frame as easy as creating a master page
and para/char tags in unstructured Frame?


Thank you,



 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

7  408.232.5911

* gflato at nanometrics  .com
 






From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:10 PM
To: Flato, Gillian
Subject: RE: XLST STYLESHEETS


XSLT does not deal with formatting. You use XSLT to rearrange
content
or to include/exclude particular elements based on tags,
attributes, or
location in the node tree (e.g. what element it is a child of). 

Formatting is handled by the EDD.

> Subject: XLST STYLESHEETS
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:21:50 -0700
> From: gflato at nanometrics.com
> To: framers at frameusers.com
> 
> Does anyone know a good source for Xlst stylesheets for
structured
> Frame? Are they easy to create with Frame? I want my PDF to
look as good
> as it does in unstructured Frame.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Gillian Flato
> 
> Technical Writer (Software)
> 
> nanometrics
> 
> 1550 Buckeye Dr. 
> 
> Milpitas, CA. 95035
> 
> (408.545.6316
> 
> 7 408.232.5911
> 
> * gflato at nanometrics  .com
>  
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> 
> You are currently subscribed to Framers as
DocuDoc at hotmail.com.
> 
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[Martin R. Smith]

Hi,

I would say that developing an EDD is more analogous to developing a DTD,
though FrameMaker provides an easy user interface for this purpose.

I have developed a minimilist EDD that I use to control help-specific
behavior WebWorks ePublisher Pro. I presented a paper on this subject at the
WebWorks RoundUp conference last November. I would be happy to send you the
paper, EDD, and page template if you are interested. You could play around
with the EDD and get a sense for how everything fits together.

Best regards,

Martin

Martin R. Smith
GolehTek, LLC
Tel: 703-889-0845
martin.smith at golehtek.com
Web Site: www.golehtek.com