Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza]

Also, Adam Rosen and John Creson do very interesting live visuals for Micheal 
Snow's and John Oswald's CCMC concerts up in Toronto nowadays.



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Roger W. <beebe...@osu.edu>
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Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

I think I saw Michael Snow’s name invoked somewhere in this thread, but I don’t 
think anyone mentioned that he is himself a jazz musician.  I saw a show at 
Hallwall’s in Buffalo years ago where Snow where they included a piece called 
REVERBERLIN made of footage of a performance of his ensemble CCMC:

http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html
[http://www.hallwalls.org/main_images/logo_200.jpg]<http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html>

Michael Snow - Beyond/In Western New York: Michael Snow - Film and Video - 
10/13/07<http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html>
www.hallwalls.org
Beyond/In Western New York artist Michael Snow presents an evening of films and 
videos featuring: THE LIVING ROOM (2002); TRIAGE (2004, with Carl Brown and 
soundtrack by John Kamevaar); REVERBERLIN (2006, featuring CCMC -- an improv 
ensemble founded by Snow in 1974).



FYI,
Roger

On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Esperanza Collado 
<esperanzacolla...@gmail.com<mailto:esperanzacolla...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey Albert,

What a great thread! Did anyone mention Shirley Clark? Can't remember the title.

Also, some of the animated films of Suzan Pitt use jazz music. Asparagus for 
sure.

You may want to check Christopher McLain's works too... i could be wrong.

Will keep thinking...



El El jue, 9 nov 2017 a las 16:42, tanya g 
<golde...@gmail.com<mailto:golde...@gmail.com>> escribió:
Albert,

Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already mentioned 
but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie (1956) direted by 
Albert Pierru and sponsored film Skyscraper by Clarke and Van Dyke from 1959, 
if memory serves.

Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are:

Cry of Jazz (Ed Bland, 1959)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz

Jammin' The Blues (1944)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk





On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz 
<albertal...@gmail.com<mailto:albertal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde film 
after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the soundtrack 
version created by Teo Macero.

There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music should 
be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the one by 
Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or improvisation.

Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?

Right my list is as follows:

Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson

Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie

Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk

Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman

New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler, Don 
Cherry, etc.

Thanks in advance,

Albert Alcoz


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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Tara Nelson]

Saul Levine's A Few Tunes Going Out series
https://vimeo.com/4533111



On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde
> film after watching *Bridges-Go-Round* (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the
> soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>
> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music
> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the
> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or
> improvisation.
>
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?
>
> Right my list is as follows:
>
> *Begone Dull Care* (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>
> *Films No. 1* (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>
> *Chasse des Touches* (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>
> *Catalog* (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>
> *New York Eye and Ear Control *(1964) by Michael Snow. Music by
> Albert Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Albert Alcoz
>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Benjamin Léon]

Dear All,

It's not 'avant-garde' films (in the strict sense of ) but in early Roman
Polanski's movies, there are some finest 'jazz moments' with the
incomparable music of Krzysztof Komeda. His sense of rhythm with a very
distinctive harmonic components (a mix of melodic and atonality structure)
are so inventive. As Polanski's said : 'Komeda's music in my films are less
just a soundtrack than a full part of my images'.

*Some great moments in *:

*Two men and a Wardrobe *(1958), Roman Polanski
*The Fat and the Lean* (1961), Roman Polanski
*Knife in the Water* (1962), Roman Polanski
*Cul-de-Sac* (1966), Roman Polanski
*The Departure* (1968), Jerzy Skolimowski

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLdhP-QsbJ0

All the best.


2017-11-13 19:39 GMT+01:00 federico lanchares :

> Hello Albert,
>
> Watch UNDERTOW by Robert Withers (Joseph Jarman is there playing sax) and
> Glas by Bert Haanstra. Regards, F.
>
>
> https://vimeo.com/34195579
> 
> UNDERTOW 
> vimeo.com
> Undertow with Monty Cantsin (Istvan Kantor) 1992, 30 min. Written and
> directed by Robert Withers, UNDERTOW traces the tracks of the Underman as
> he threads a graffiti ...
>
> Glas by Bert Haanstra
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLS7--ZLCoI
> 
> Bert Haanstra - Glas (1958) 
> www.youtube.com
> "Glass (Dutch: Glas) is a 1958 Dutch short documentary film by director
> and producer Bert Haanstra. The film won the Academy Award for Documentary
> Short Subject in ...
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[federico lanchares]

Hello Albert,
Watch UNDERTOW by Robert Withers (Joseph Jarman is there playing sax) and Glas 
by Bert Haanstra. Regards, F.

https://vimeo.com/34195579
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.N3_tp6mnqhxazR5YMpzk9wEsCo=Api]

UNDERTOW
vimeo.com
Undertow with Monty Cantsin (Istvan Kantor) 1992, 30 min. Written and directed 
by Robert Withers, UNDERTOW traces the tracks of the Underman as he threads a 
graffiti ...

Glas by Bert Haanstra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLS7--ZLCoI
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.qBhJyZTc-DetVvbDKlreiAEsDw=Api]

Bert Haanstra - Glas (1958)
www.youtube.com
"Glass (Dutch: Glas) is a 1958 Dutch short documentary film by director and 
producer Bert Haanstra. The film won the Academy Award for Documentary Short 
Subject in ...


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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Rob Gawthrop]

There is Ian Hugo’s ‘Jazz of Lights’ with Moondog and Anais Nin -  though the 
music is by Bebe & Lois Barron rather than Jazz per se.  

Len Lye’s ‘Tal Farlow’

and comparatively more recent there are films  that use free jazz &  improvised 
music - worth reading this article in ‘The Wire’ (2015)

https://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/collateral-damage/collateral-damage_experimental-music-on-film

This may raise a few questions around exeriemntal music and film?

Rob


On 8 Nov 2017, at 08:13, Albert Alcoz  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde film 
> after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the soundtrack 
> version created by Teo Macero.
> 
> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music should 
> be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the one by 
> Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or improvisation.
> 
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks? 
> 
> Right my list is as follows:
> 
> Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
> 
> Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
> 
> Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
> 
> Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
> 
> New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler, 
> Don Cherry, etc.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Albert Alcoz
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Dennis Doros]

Thank you for mentioning Shirley Clarke already. Three of her features that
can be considered avant-garde at least in part: THE CONNECTION, THE COOL
WORLD and ORNETTE: MADE IN AMERICA all feature jazz scores.

Consider her work on the Loop films she did for the 1958 Brussels World
Fair, where they refused to allow her to use jazz scores. Since she wasn't
allowed, she *cut* them as if they were jazz pieces.

Best regards,
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On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Madison Brookshire 
wrote:

> In addition to those that have already been listed, three of my favorites
> are:
>
> Charles Burnett,* When It Rains, *(1995)
> Cauleen Smith, *The Way Out is the Way Two: 14 Short Films About Chicago
> and Sun Ra* (2010), a feature-length constellation of experimental
> psychogeographic films on Sun Ra, improvisation, and creative music.
> Ja'Tovia M Gary, *AN ECSTATIC EXPRIENCE* (2015)
> Barbara McCullough, *Horace Tapscott: Musical Griot *(2016)
>
> All the best,
> Madison
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Esperanza Collado <
> esperanzacolla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Albert,
>>
>> Also, have a look at the work of the Buharov Brothers. There is a lot of
>> jazz improvisation there.
>> I believe Re:Voir is releasing soon a DVD of their films and Max Le Cain
>> wrote a piece about their work.
>>
>> Ciao!
>>
>> 2017-11-13 13:20 GMT+01:00 John McAndrew :
>>
>>> Has anyone mentioned Paula Gladstone's 1980 film 'The Dancing Soul Of
>>> The Walking People' yet? I seem to recall Duke Ellington, Alice Coltrane,
>>> Anthony Braxton, The Art Ensemble of Chicago and some others featuring on
>>> the soundtrack.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, I would LOVE to see this film be released on Blu-Ray - I
>>> saw it twice in its restored glory at the Bradford International Film
>>> Festival in 2013 and it easily stands as one of the most beautiful films
>>> I've ever experienced... one for RE:VOIR to release perhaps?
>>>
>>> John
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[Madison Brookshire]

In addition to those that have already been listed, three of my favorites
are:

Charles Burnett,* When It Rains, *(1995)
Cauleen Smith, *The Way Out is the Way Two: 14 Short Films About Chicago
and Sun Ra* (2010), a feature-length constellation of experimental
psychogeographic films on Sun Ra, improvisation, and creative music.
Ja'Tovia M Gary, *AN ECSTATIC EXPRIENCE* (2015)
Barbara McCullough, *Horace Tapscott: Musical Griot *(2016)

All the best,
Madison


On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Esperanza Collado <
esperanzacolla...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Albert,
>
> Also, have a look at the work of the Buharov Brothers. There is a lot of
> jazz improvisation there.
> I believe Re:Voir is releasing soon a DVD of their films and Max Le Cain
> wrote a piece about their work.
>
> Ciao!
>
> 2017-11-13 13:20 GMT+01:00 John McAndrew :
>
>> Has anyone mentioned Paula Gladstone's 1980 film 'The Dancing Soul Of The
>> Walking People' yet? I seem to recall Duke Ellington, Alice Coltrane,
>> Anthony Braxton, The Art Ensemble of Chicago and some others featuring on
>> the soundtrack.
>>
>> Incidentally, I would LOVE to see this film be released on Blu-Ray - I
>> saw it twice in its restored glory at the Bradford International Film
>> Festival in 2013 and it easily stands as one of the most beautiful films
>> I've ever experienced... one for RE:VOIR to release perhaps?
>>
>> John
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[Esperanza Collado]

Hey Albert,

Also, have a look at the work of the Buharov Brothers. There is a lot of
jazz improvisation there.
I believe Re:Voir is releasing soon a DVD of their films and Max Le Cain
wrote a piece about their work.

Ciao!

2017-11-13 13:20 GMT+01:00 John McAndrew :

> Has anyone mentioned Paula Gladstone's 1980 film 'The Dancing Soul Of The
> Walking People' yet? I seem to recall Duke Ellington, Alice Coltrane,
> Anthony Braxton, The Art Ensemble of Chicago and some others featuring on
> the soundtrack.
>
> Incidentally, I would LOVE to see this film be released on Blu-Ray - I saw
> it twice in its restored glory at the Bradford International Film Festival
> in 2013 and it easily stands as one of the most beautiful films I've ever
> experienced... one for RE:VOIR to release perhaps?
>
> John
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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[John McAndrew]

Has anyone mentioned Paula Gladstone's 1980 film 'The Dancing Soul Of The
Walking People' yet? I seem to recall Duke Ellington, Alice Coltrane,
Anthony Braxton, The Art Ensemble of Chicago and some others featuring on
the soundtrack.

Incidentally, I would LOVE to see this film be released on Blu-Ray - I saw
it twice in its restored glory at the Bradford International Film Festival
in 2013 and it easily stands as one of the most beautiful films I've ever
experienced... one for RE:VOIR to release perhaps?

John
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[D. Stanek]

Anna Linder, Cum Pane: The One You Share Your Bread With, 2002  with music by 
the AALY Trio with Ken Vandermark.

http://www.heure-exquise.org/video.php?id=9085=uk

DS

> On Nov 12, 2017, at 7:56 PM, mary billyou  wrote:
> 
> Tatsu Aoki!
> 
> http://tatsuaoki.com/filmography.html 
> 
> 
> a major fixture on the Chicago jazz scene. Double-bass player
> 
> On Nov 12, 2017 8:45 PM, "Myron Ort" > 
> wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frOgv6UNGiA 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2017, at 8:13 AM, mary billyou > > wrote:
>> 
>> Cassavettes' Shadows
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:59 AM, C Keefer > > wrote:
>> many other visual music films for that list, here's a few -
>> 
>> More by Harry Smith, Films 2 and 3 and 11
>> 
>> Jordan Belson, Bop Scotch
>> 
>> More by Hy Hirsh (no c in Hirsh), including Scratch Pad 
>> 
>> at least 4 or 5 films by Len Lye
>> more by Norman McLaren
>> 
>> Oskar Fischinger, Studie nr 5.  On CVM's vimeo VOD channel, also on the 
>> forthcoming new Oskar Fischinger DVD next month,
>> www.centerforvisualmusic.org/Fischinger/newdvd.htm 
>> 
>> 
>> Steve Woloshen, Shimmer Box Drive
>> 
>> 
>> Cindy Keefer
>> Center for Visual Music
>> www.centerforvisualmusic.org 
>> 
>> CVM email - cvmaccess (at) gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> (original post)
>> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 5:14 AM, Albert Alcoz >  > >> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde 
>> film after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the 
>> soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>> 
>> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
>> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music 
>> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the 
>> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or 
>> improvisation.
>> 
>> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks? 
>> 
>> Right my list is as follows:
>> 
>> Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>> 
>> Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>> 
>> Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>> 
>> Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>> 
>> New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler, 
>> Don Cherry, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Albert Alcoz
>> 
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[mary billyou]

Tatsu Aoki!

http://tatsuaoki.com/filmography.html


a major fixture on the Chicago jazz scene. Double-bass player

On Nov 12, 2017 8:45 PM, "Myron Ort"  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frOgv6UNGiA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2017, at 8:13 AM, mary billyou  wrote:
>
> Cassavettes' *Shadows*
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:59 AM, C Keefer  wrote:
>
>> many other visual music films for that list, here's a few -
>>
>> More by Harry Smith, Films 2 and 3 and 11
>>
>> Jordan Belson, Bop Scotch
>>
>> More by Hy Hirsh (no c in Hirsh), including Scratch Pad
>>
>> at least 4 or 5 films by Len Lye
>> more by Norman McLaren
>>
>> Oskar Fischinger, Studie nr 5.  On CVM's vimeo VOD channel, also on the
>> forthcoming new Oskar Fischinger DVD next month,
>> www.centerforvisualmusic.org/Fischinger/newdvd.htm
>>
>> Steve Woloshen, Shimmer Box Drive
>>
>>
>> Cindy Keefer
>> Center for Visual Music
>> www.centerforvisualmusic.org
>>
>> CVM email - cvmaccess (at) gmail.com
>>
>>
>> (original post)
>> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 5:14 AM, Albert Alcoz <
>> albertal...@gmail.com > >> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde
>> film after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the
>> soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>>
>> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
>> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music
>> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the
>> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or
>> improvisation.
>>
>> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?
>>
>> Right my list is as follows:
>>
>> Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>>
>> Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>>
>> Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>>
>> Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>>
>> New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert
>> Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Albert Alcoz
>>
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frOgv6UNGiA 









> On Nov 12, 2017, at 8:13 AM, mary billyou  wrote:
> 
> Cassavettes' Shadows
> 
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:59 AM, C Keefer  > wrote:
> many other visual music films for that list, here's a few -
> 
> More by Harry Smith, Films 2 and 3 and 11
> 
> Jordan Belson, Bop Scotch
> 
> More by Hy Hirsh (no c in Hirsh), including Scratch Pad 
> 
> at least 4 or 5 films by Len Lye
> more by Norman McLaren
> 
> Oskar Fischinger, Studie nr 5.  On CVM's vimeo VOD channel, also on the 
> forthcoming new Oskar Fischinger DVD next month,
> www.centerforvisualmusic.org/Fischinger/newdvd.htm 
> 
> 
> Steve Woloshen, Shimmer Box Drive
> 
> 
> Cindy Keefer
> Center for Visual Music
> www.centerforvisualmusic.org 
> 
> CVM email - cvmaccess (at) gmail.com 
> 
> 
> (original post)
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 5:14 AM, Albert Alcoz    >> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde film 
> after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the soundtrack 
> version created by Teo Macero.
> 
> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music should 
> be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the one by 
> Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or improvisation.
> 
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks? 
> 
> Right my list is as follows:
> 
> Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
> 
> Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
> 
> Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
> 
> Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
> 
> New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler, 
> Don Cherry, etc.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Albert Alcoz
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[mary billyou]

Cassavettes' *Shadows*

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 1:59 AM, C Keefer  wrote:

> many other visual music films for that list, here's a few -
>
> More by Harry Smith, Films 2 and 3 and 11
>
> Jordan Belson, Bop Scotch
>
> More by Hy Hirsh (no c in Hirsh), including Scratch Pad
>
> at least 4 or 5 films by Len Lye
> more by Norman McLaren
>
> Oskar Fischinger, Studie nr 5.  On CVM's vimeo VOD channel, also on the
> forthcoming new Oskar Fischinger DVD next month,
> www.centerforvisualmusic.org/Fischinger/newdvd.htm
>
> Steve Woloshen, Shimmer Box Drive
>
>
> Cindy Keefer
> Center for Visual Music
> www.centerforvisualmusic.org
>
> CVM email - cvmaccess (at) gmail.com
>
>
> (original post)
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 5:14 AM, Albert Alcoz <
> albertal...@gmail.com  >> wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde
> film after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the
> soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>
> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music
> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the
> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or
> improvisation.
>
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?
>
> Right my list is as follows:
>
> Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>
> Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>
> Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>
> Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>
> New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert
> Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Albert Alcoz
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[C Keefer]

many other visual music films for that list, here's a few -

More by Harry Smith, Films 2 and 3 and 11

Jordan Belson, Bop Scotch

More by Hy Hirsh (no c in Hirsh), including Scratch Pad

at least 4 or 5 films by Len Lye
more by Norman McLaren

Oskar Fischinger, Studie nr 5.  On CVM's vimeo VOD channel, also on the
forthcoming new Oskar Fischinger DVD next month,
www.centerforvisualmusic.org/Fischinger/newdvd.htm

Steve Woloshen, Shimmer Box Drive


Cindy Keefer
Center for Visual Music
www.centerforvisualmusic.org

CVM email - cvmaccess (at) gmail.com


(original post)
On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 5:14 AM, Albert Alcoz >> wrote:


Hello,

I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde
film after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the
soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.

There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music
should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the
one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or
improvisation.

Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?

Right my list is as follows:

Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson

Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie

Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk

Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman

New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler,
Don Cherry, etc.

Thanks in advance,

Albert Alcoz
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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Chuck Kleinhans]

Pip,

Thanks for the elaboration; this is very helpful.  There has been a fair amount 
of progress made in advancing “fair use” of visual materials in mashups, found 
footage, etc. in the US.

I think because of a somewhat different history, music is a somewhat different 
case…again, in the US.  Ownership is pretty zealously guarded, it seems.  But I 
also understand that in the 80s-90s a certain adjustment was made in the 
recording industry due to the massive use of sampling in hiphop and rap.  I 
really don’t know the details: just that it was initially very contentious and 
eventually some system was worked out.

To return to some of the films already mentioned: I can believe that Kenneth 
Anger said he had the rights to the music in Scorpio Rising.  But I can also 
believe that he was fibbing.  After all, who’s going to check up on it?  IF he 
was caught, what could the original owner of the music copyright expect to get 
from the filmmaker?  Enough to make it worthwhile to pay some lawyer to  pursue 
it?  And if you won a judgement, what would these artists, or their estates, 
actually be able to cough up?

Did Bruce Conner clear all the rights to the clips in A Movie?  I’d bet “no”.

Chuck





On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:12 AM, Pip Chodorov 
> wrote:

Chuck,

As a "DVD executive" I can tell you that we simply sign contracts with 
filmmakers in which they indemnify us against any copyright claims.

In some cases we have signed contracts for found footage films in which we 
invented the clause below (our contract with Martin Arnold is a good example). 
We have never had a problem.

Re:Voir Video understands that the Films are made from uncleared, recuperated 
material, images and sounds from previously released feature films. Due to the 
nature of this work, neither Licensor nor Re:Voir Video can guarantee that 
their distribution in the form of Home Video Products will not incur claims, 
liens or encumbrances and both parties agree to share costs to defend this form 
of work as creative, new and original fair use of cultural media fabric.
-Pip



At 8:52 + 10/11/17, Chuck Kleinhans wrote:

Not to question the  expertise of fellow frameworkers about film, but I think 
we need to hear  from intellectual property lawyers and DVD executives on this 
matter.

As I understand it, music rights for films are handled by a few Hollywood 
outfits.  All  about rights by artisans and indies are automatically refused by 
the copyright owners (or some absurd fee is given suitable for commercial 
cinema and TV).

So you have to work through the spendy lawyers at these intellectual property 
shops.  Can a starving artist get a break?  probably a matter of luck or 
accident or pityŠ.but I really don¹t know.



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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Pip Chodorov]

Chuck,

As a "DVD executive" I can tell you that we 
simply sign contracts with filmmakers in which 
they indemnify us against any copyright claims.


In some cases we have signed contracts for found 
footage films in which we invented the clause 
below (our contract with Martin Arnold is a good 
example). We have never had a problem.


Re:Voir Video understands that the Films are made 
from uncleared, recuperated material, images and 
sounds from previously released feature films. 
Due to the nature of this work, neither Licensor 
nor Re:Voir Video can guarantee that their 
distribution in the form of Home Video Products 
will not incur claims, liens or encumbrances and 
both parties agree to share costs to defend this 
form of work as creative, new and original fair 
use of cultural media fabric.


-Pip



At 8:52 + 10/11/17, Chuck Kleinhans wrote:


Not to question the  expertise of fellow 
frameworkers about film, but I think we need to 
hear  from intellectual property lawyers and DVD 
executives on this matter.


As I understand it, music rights for films are 
handled by a few Hollywood outfits.  All  about 
rights by artisans and indies are automatically 
refused by the copyright owners (or some absurd 
fee is given suitable for commercial cinema and 
TV).


So you have to work through the spendy lawyers 
at these intellectual property shops.  Can a 
starving artist get a break?  probably a matter 
of luck or accident or pityŠ.but I really don't 
know.



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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Chuck Kleinhans]

Not to question the  expertise of fellow frameworkers about film, but I think 
we need to hear  from intellectual property lawyers and DVD executives on this 
matter.

As I understand it, music rights for films are handled by a few Hollywood 
outfits.  All  about rights by artisans and indies are automatically refused by 
the copyright owners (or some absurd fee is given suitable for commercial 
cinema and TV).

So you have to work through the spendy lawyers at these intellectual property 
shops.  Can a starving artist get a break?  probably a matter of luck or 
accident or pity….but I really don’t know.

What do the Visual Music folks say?

Chuck

On Nov 9, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Adam Hyman 
<a...@lafilmforum.org<mailto:a...@lafilmforum.org>> wrote:

Unquestionably they didn’t have the rights to start, but it also wasn’t a big 
issue.
Rights for those films have become an issue when DVD editions were desired to 
be made.  Reputable companies won’t distribute DVDs without evidence of 
licenses (or fair use opinions from lawyers).
I think since A-G films live below the commercial radar, most don’t get rights.

From: Myron Ort <z...@sonic.net<mailto:z...@sonic.net>>
Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List 
<frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com<mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>" 
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 11:55:18 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

To me there is the interesting question regarding which avant garden or 
experimental films obtained the rights for the music. Some maybe not at first 
but maybe later if the film became more widely known.

Not jazz, but I wondered if Kenneth Anger had the rights to all that pop music 
when Scorpio Rising first came out, likewise Bruce Conner’s “Cosmic Ray”, now 
that Bruce is blue chip museum material I am sure they have the obtained the 
rights especially since the major power of that film is the Ray Charles music 
but I have my doubts about those rights when first the film came out.   Harry 
Smith just put on his favorite album at the time Monk or whatever, likewise the 
early films of Joseph Cornell.  Smith’s early compilation of American Folk 
Music was likely very casual about rights at first, just using his collection 
of rare old 78 rpm material.  Does anyone actually know facts relating to all 
this. I think at some point I did read that Anger said he had rights to the pop 
music, but not exactly sure if that was true at the beginning.


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[Adam Hyman]

Unquestionably they didn¹t have the rights to start, but it also wasn¹t a
big issue.
Rights for those films have become an issue when DVD editions were desired
to be made.  Reputable companies won¹t distribute DVDs without evidence of
licenses (or fair use opinions from lawyers).
I think since A-G films live below the commercial radar, most don¹t get
rights.

From:  Myron Ort <z...@sonic.net>
Reply-To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List
<frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>" <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Date:  Thu, 9 Nov 2017 11:55:18 -0800
To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>"
<frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Subject:  Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

To me there is the interesting question regarding which avant garden or
experimental films obtained the rights for the music. Some maybe not at
first but maybe later if the film became more widely known.

Not jazz, but I wondered if Kenneth Anger had the rights to all that pop
music when Scorpio Rising first came out, likewise Bruce Conner¹s ³Cosmic
Ray², now that Bruce is blue chip museum material I am sure they have the
obtained the rights especially since the major power of that film is the Ray
Charles music but I have my doubts about those rights when first the film
came out.   Harry Smith just put on his favorite album at the time Monk or
whatever, likewise the early films of Joseph Cornell.  Smith¹s early
compilation of American Folk Music was likely very casual about rights at
first, just using his collection of rare old 78 rpm material.  Does anyone
actually know facts relating to all this. I think at some point I did read
that Anger said he had rights to the pop music, but not exactly sure if that
was true at the beginning.



 


> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Ryan Marino <ryandmar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Albert,
> 
> The White Rose by Bruce Conner features music from Miles Davis's Sketches of
> Spain. 
> 
> 
> best,
> ryan
> 
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Ignacio Tamarit <tamarit.igna...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Osias Wilenski "El Perseguidor" (1965)
>> 
>> Not strictly experimental, but rather experimental for Argentine fiction
>> feature films of the time.
>> Based on the homonymous short story by Julio Cortazar, inspired by the life
>> of Charlie Parker.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwxYPhORzg
>> 
>>  
>>   
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaig
>> n=sig-email_content=webmail> Libre de virus. www.avast.com
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaig
>> n=sig-email_content=webmail>
>> 
>> 
>> 2017-11-09 13:34 GMT-03:00 Beebe, Roger W. <beebe...@osu.edu>:
>>> I think I saw Michael Snow¹s name invoked somewhere in this thread, but I
>>> don¹t think anyone mentioned that he is himself a jazz musician.  I saw a
>>> show at Hallwall¹s in Buffalo years ago where Snow where they included a
>>> piece called REVERBERLIN made of footage of a performance of his ensemble
>>> CCMC: 
>>> 
>>> http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html
>>> 
>>> FYI,
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Esperanza Collado
>>>> <esperanzacolla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Albert,
>>>> 
>>>> What a great thread! Did anyone mention Shirley Clark? Can't remember the
>>>> title. 
>>>> 
>>>> Also, some of the animated films of Suzan Pitt use jazz music. Asparagus
>>>> for sure.
>>>> 
>>>> You may want to check Christopher McLain's works too... i could be wrong.
>>>> 
>>>> Will keep thinking...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> El El jue, 9 nov 2017 a las 16:42, tanya g <golde...@gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>> Albert, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already
>>>>> mentioned but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie
>>>>> (1956) direted by Albert Pierru and sponsored film Skyscraper by Clarke
>>>>> and Van Dyke from 1959, if memory serves.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cry of Jazz (Ed Bland, 1959)
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jammin' The Blues (1944)
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk
>>>>> 
>>>

Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Myron Ort]

Never mind about Avant Garden, its already a clilche…..





> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Myron Ort  wrote:
> 
> My auto spell check made a funny  “Avant Garden”  I like it…….
> its mine so don’t steal it…….
> probably already has been discovered….I will check…..
> 
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Myron Ort > > wrote:
>> 
>> To me there is the interesting question regarding which avant garden or 
>> experimental films obtained the rights for the music. Some maybe not at 
>> first but maybe later if the film became more widely known.
>> 
>> Not jazz, but I wondered if Kenneth Anger had the rights to all that pop 
>> music when Scorpio Rising first came out, likewise Bruce Conner’s “Cosmic 
>> Ray”, now that Bruce is blue chip museum material I am sure they have the 
>> obtained the rights especially since the major power of that film is the Ray 
>> Charles music but I have my doubts about those rights when first the film 
>> came out.   Harry Smith just put on his favorite album at the time Monk or 
>> whatever, likewise the early films of Joseph Cornell.  Smith’s early 
>> compilation of American Folk Music was likely very casual about rights at 
>> first, just using his collection of rare old 78 rpm material.  Does anyone 
>> actually know facts relating to all this. I think at some point I did read 
>> that Anger said he had rights to the pop music, but not exactly sure if that 
>> was true at the beginning.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Ryan Marino >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Albert,
>>> 
>>> The White Rose by Bruce Conner features music from Miles Davis's Sketches 
>>> of Spain. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> best,
>>> ryan
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Ignacio Tamarit >> > wrote:
>>> Osias Wilenski "El Perseguidor" (1965)
>>> 
>>> Not strictly experimental, but rather experimental for Argentine fiction 
>>> feature films of the time.
>>> Based on the homonymous short story by Julio Cortazar, inspired by the life 
>>> of Charlie Parker.
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwxYPhORzg 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>   Libre de virus. www.avast.com 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 2017-11-09 13:34 GMT-03:00 Beebe, Roger W. >> >:
>>> I think I saw Michael Snow’s name invoked somewhere in this thread, but I 
>>> don’t think anyone mentioned that he is himself a jazz musician.  I saw a 
>>> show at Hallwall’s in Buffalo years ago where Snow where they included a 
>>> piece called REVERBERLIN made of footage of a performance of his ensemble 
>>> CCMC:
>>> 
>>> http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> FYI,
>>> Roger
>>> 
 On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Esperanza Collado 
 > wrote:
 
 Hey Albert,
 
 What a great thread! Did anyone mention Shirley Clark? Can't remember the 
 title. 
 
 Also, some of the animated films of Suzan Pitt use jazz music. Asparagus 
 for sure.
 
 You may want to check Christopher McLain's works too... i could be wrong.
 
 Will keep thinking...
 
 
 
 El El jue, 9 nov 2017 a las 16:42, tanya g > escribió:
 Albert,
 
 Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already 
 mentioned but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie 
 (1956) direted by Albert Pierru and sponsored film Skyscraper by Clarke 
 and Van Dyke from 1959, if memory serves.
 
 Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are:
 
 Cry of Jazz (Ed Bland, 1959)
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz 
 
 
 Jammin' The Blues (1944)
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz > wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde 
 film after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the 
 soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
 
 There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
 soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music 
 should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the 
 one by Michael Snow that uses, 

Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Myron Ort]

My auto spell check made a funny  “Avant Garden”  I like it…….
its mine so don’t steal it…….
probably already has been discovered….I will check…..


> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Myron Ort  wrote:
> 
> To me there is the interesting question regarding which avant garden or 
> experimental films obtained the rights for the music. Some maybe not at first 
> but maybe later if the film became more widely known.
> 
> Not jazz, but I wondered if Kenneth Anger had the rights to all that pop 
> music when Scorpio Rising first came out, likewise Bruce Conner’s “Cosmic 
> Ray”, now that Bruce is blue chip museum material I am sure they have the 
> obtained the rights especially since the major power of that film is the Ray 
> Charles music but I have my doubts about those rights when first the film 
> came out.   Harry Smith just put on his favorite album at the time Monk or 
> whatever, likewise the early films of Joseph Cornell.  Smith’s early 
> compilation of American Folk Music was likely very casual about rights at 
> first, just using his collection of rare old 78 rpm material.  Does anyone 
> actually know facts relating to all this. I think at some point I did read 
> that Anger said he had rights to the pop music, but not exactly sure if that 
> was true at the beginning.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Ryan Marino > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Albert,
>> 
>> The White Rose by Bruce Conner features music from Miles Davis's Sketches of 
>> Spain. 
>> 
>> 
>> best,
>> ryan
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Ignacio Tamarit > > wrote:
>> Osias Wilenski "El Perseguidor" (1965)
>> 
>> Not strictly experimental, but rather experimental for Argentine fiction 
>> feature films of the time.
>> Based on the homonymous short story by Julio Cortazar, inspired by the life 
>> of Charlie Parker.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwxYPhORzg 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>Libre de virus. www.avast.com 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 2017-11-09 13:34 GMT-03:00 Beebe, Roger W. > >:
>> I think I saw Michael Snow’s name invoked somewhere in this thread, but I 
>> don’t think anyone mentioned that he is himself a jazz musician.  I saw a 
>> show at Hallwall’s in Buffalo years ago where Snow where they included a 
>> piece called REVERBERLIN made of footage of a performance of his ensemble 
>> CCMC:
>> 
>> http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html 
>> 
>> 
>> FYI,
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Esperanza Collado >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Albert,
>>> 
>>> What a great thread! Did anyone mention Shirley Clark? Can't remember the 
>>> title. 
>>> 
>>> Also, some of the animated films of Suzan Pitt use jazz music. Asparagus 
>>> for sure.
>>> 
>>> You may want to check Christopher McLain's works too... i could be wrong.
>>> 
>>> Will keep thinking...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> El El jue, 9 nov 2017 a las 16:42, tanya g >> > escribió:
>>> Albert,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already 
>>> mentioned but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie 
>>> (1956) direted by Albert Pierru and sponsored film Skyscraper by Clarke and 
>>> Van Dyke from 1959, if memory serves.
>>> 
>>> Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are:
>>> 
>>> Cry of Jazz (Ed Bland, 1959)
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jammin' The Blues (1944)
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz >> > wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde 
>>> film after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the 
>>> soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>>> 
>>> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
>>> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music 
>>> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the 
>>> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or 
>>> improvisation.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks? 
>>> 
>>> Right my list is as follows:
>>> 
>>> Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>>> 
>>> Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry 

Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Myron Ort]

To me there is the interesting question regarding which avant garden or 
experimental films obtained the rights for the music. Some maybe not at first 
but maybe later if the film became more widely known.

Not jazz, but I wondered if Kenneth Anger had the rights to all that pop music 
when Scorpio Rising first came out, likewise Bruce Conner’s “Cosmic Ray”, now 
that Bruce is blue chip museum material I am sure they have the obtained the 
rights especially since the major power of that film is the Ray Charles music 
but I have my doubts about those rights when first the film came out.   Harry 
Smith just put on his favorite album at the time Monk or whatever, likewise the 
early films of Joseph Cornell.  Smith’s early compilation of American Folk 
Music was likely very casual about rights at first, just using his collection 
of rare old 78 rpm material.  Does anyone actually know facts relating to all 
this. I think at some point I did read that Anger said he had rights to the pop 
music, but not exactly sure if that was true at the beginning.



 


> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Ryan Marino  wrote:
> 
> Hi Albert,
> 
> The White Rose by Bruce Conner features music from Miles Davis's Sketches of 
> Spain. 
> 
> 
> best,
> ryan
> 
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Ignacio Tamarit  > wrote:
> Osias Wilenski "El Perseguidor" (1965)
> 
> Not strictly experimental, but rather experimental for Argentine fiction 
> feature films of the time.
> Based on the homonymous short story by Julio Cortazar, inspired by the life 
> of Charlie Parker.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwxYPhORzg 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Libre de virus. www.avast.com 
> 
>  
> 
> 2017-11-09 13:34 GMT-03:00 Beebe, Roger W.  >:
> I think I saw Michael Snow’s name invoked somewhere in this thread, but I 
> don’t think anyone mentioned that he is himself a jazz musician.  I saw a 
> show at Hallwall’s in Buffalo years ago where Snow where they included a 
> piece called REVERBERLIN made of footage of a performance of his ensemble 
> CCMC:
> 
> http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html 
> 
> 
> FYI,
> Roger
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Esperanza Collado > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Albert,
>> 
>> What a great thread! Did anyone mention Shirley Clark? Can't remember the 
>> title. 
>> 
>> Also, some of the animated films of Suzan Pitt use jazz music. Asparagus for 
>> sure.
>> 
>> You may want to check Christopher McLain's works too... i could be wrong.
>> 
>> Will keep thinking...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El El jue, 9 nov 2017 a las 16:42, tanya g > > escribió:
>> Albert,
>> 
>> Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already 
>> mentioned but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie 
>> (1956) direted by Albert Pierru and sponsored film Skyscraper by Clarke and 
>> Van Dyke from 1959, if memory serves.
>> 
>> Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are:
>> 
>> Cry of Jazz (Ed Bland, 1959)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz 
>> 
>> 
>> Jammin' The Blues (1944)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz > > wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde 
>> film after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the 
>> soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>> 
>> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
>> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music 
>> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the 
>> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or 
>> improvisation.
>> 
>> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks? 
>> 
>> Right my list is as follows:
>> 
>> Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>> 
>> Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>> 
>> Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>> 
>> Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>> 
>> New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler, 
>> Don Cherry, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Albert Alcoz
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> http://visionaryfilm.net/ 
>> 

Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Ryan Marino]

Hi Albert,

The White Rose by Bruce Conner features music from Miles Davis's Sketches
of Spain.


best,
ryan

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Ignacio Tamarit 
wrote:

> Osias Wilenski "El Perseguidor" (1965)
>
> Not strictly experimental, but rather experimental for Argentine fiction
> feature films of the time.
> Based on the homonymous short story by Julio Cortazar, inspired by the
> life of Charlie Parker.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwxYPhORzg
>
>
> 
>  Libre
> de virus. www.avast.com
> 
> <#m_-4859226210287393686_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> 2017-11-09 13:34 GMT-03:00 Beebe, Roger W. :
>
>> I think I saw Michael Snow’s name invoked somewhere in this thread, but I
>> don’t think anyone mentioned that he is himself a jazz musician.  I saw a
>> show at Hallwall’s in Buffalo years ago where Snow where they included a
>> piece called REVERBERLIN made of footage of a performance of his ensemble
>> CCMC:
>>
>> http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html
>>
>> FYI,
>> Roger
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Esperanza Collado <
>> esperanzacolla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Albert,
>>
>> What a great thread! Did anyone mention Shirley Clark? Can't remember the
>> title.
>>
>> Also, some of the animated films of Suzan Pitt use jazz music. Asparagus
>> for sure.
>>
>> You may want to check Christopher McLain's works too... i could be wrong.
>>
>> Will keep thinking...
>>
>>
>>
>> El El jue, 9 nov 2017 a las 16:42, tanya g  escribió:
>>
>>> Albert,
>>>
>>> Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already
>>> mentioned but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie
>>> (1956) direted by Albert Pierru and sponsored film *Skyscraper* by
>>> Clarke and Van Dyke from 1959, if memory serves.
>>>
>>> Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are:
>>>
>>> *Cry of Jazz *(Ed Bland, 1959)
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz
>>>
>>> Jammin' The Blues (1944)
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and
 avant-garde film after watching *Bridges-Go-Round* (1958) by Shirley
 Clarke, with the soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.

 There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
 soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music
 should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the
 one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or
 improvisation.

 Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz
 soundtracks?

 Right my list is as follows:

 *Begone Dull Care* (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson

 *Films No. 1* (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie

 *Chasse des Touches* (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk

 *Catalog* (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman

 *New York Eye and Ear Control *(1964) by Michael Snow. Music by
 Albert Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.

 Thanks in advance,

 Albert Alcoz


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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Ignacio Tamarit]

Osias Wilenski "El Perseguidor" (1965)

Not strictly experimental, but rather experimental for Argentine fiction
feature films of the time.
Based on the homonymous short story by Julio Cortazar, inspired by the life
of Charlie Parker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwxYPhORzg


Libre
de virus. www.avast.com

<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

2017-11-09 13:34 GMT-03:00 Beebe, Roger W. :

> I think I saw Michael Snow’s name invoked somewhere in this thread, but I
> don’t think anyone mentioned that he is himself a jazz musician.  I saw a
> show at Hallwall’s in Buffalo years ago where Snow where they included a
> piece called REVERBERLIN made of footage of a performance of his ensemble
> CCMC:
>
> http://www.hallwalls.org/media-arts/4675.html
>
> FYI,
> Roger
>
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Esperanza Collado <
> esperanzacolla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Albert,
>
> What a great thread! Did anyone mention Shirley Clark? Can't remember the
> title.
>
> Also, some of the animated films of Suzan Pitt use jazz music. Asparagus
> for sure.
>
> You may want to check Christopher McLain's works too... i could be wrong.
>
> Will keep thinking...
>
>
>
> El El jue, 9 nov 2017 a las 16:42, tanya g  escribió:
>
>> Albert,
>>
>> Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already
>> mentioned but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie
>> (1956) direted by Albert Pierru and sponsored film *Skyscraper* by
>> Clarke and Van Dyke from 1959, if memory serves.
>>
>> Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are:
>>
>> *Cry of Jazz *(Ed Bland, 1959)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz
>>
>> Jammin' The Blues (1944)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde
>>> film after watching *Bridges-Go-Round* (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with
>>> the soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>>>
>>> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
>>> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music
>>> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the
>>> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or
>>> improvisation.
>>>
>>> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?
>>>
>>> Right my list is as follows:
>>>
>>> *Begone Dull Care* (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>>>
>>> *Films No. 1* (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>>>
>>> *Chasse des Touches* (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>>>
>>> *Catalog* (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>>>
>>> *New York Eye and Ear Control *(1964) by Michael Snow. Music by
>>> Albert Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Albert Alcoz
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://visionaryfilm.net/ 
>>> http://albertalcoz.com/ 
>>>
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[eyemusic]

I have made several films with live jazz soundtracks performed and composed by 
Lisa Mezzacappa:
Found and Lost
Glorious Ravage
and my Naval Compression uses an excerpt from a composition by Duke Ellington.

 

 

 

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 13:03:49 +
From: Stephen Broomer <stephen_broo...@hotmail.com>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film
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Hi Albert,

Jack Chambers' R34 features a section of Ayler's Bells for the last stretch of 
it.

Joyce Wieland's Rat Life and Diet in North America has a violent cacophony of 
free jazz at the beginning that I've not been able to identify.

Joyce's Water Sark has an improvisational soundtrack by Carla Bley & Mike 
Mantler (of the Jazz Composers Orchestra) with Ray Jessel (Broadway composer 
and later novelty songwriter).

Likewise, her Peggy's Blue Skylight is named for the Mingus composition and 
features Paul Bley playing it on the soundtrack.

There are passages of jazz in the collage soundtracks of Arthur Lipsett. (Sorry 
for the Canada-centric response!)

I feel like there's a Kuchar movie that has the Scott Lafaro bass solo from 
Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz on the soundtrack...

There's another Hy Hirsch film, Gyromorphosis, that uses Django by the MJQ/John 
Lewis.

There's always Pull My Daisy.

Stephen

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 8, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Albert Alcoz 
<albertal...@gmail.com<mailto:albertal...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde film 
after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the soundtrack 
version created by Teo Macero.

There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music should 
be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the one by 
Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or improvisation.

Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?

Right my list is as follows:

Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson

Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie

Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk

Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman

New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler, Don 
Cherry, etc.

Thanks in advance,

Albert Alcoz


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[Esperanza Collado]

Hey Albert,

What a great thread! Did anyone mention Shirley Clark? Can't remember the
title.

Also, some of the animated films of Suzan Pitt use jazz music. Asparagus
for sure.

You may want to check Christopher McLain's works too... i could be wrong.

Will keep thinking...



El El jue, 9 nov 2017 a las 16:42, tanya g  escribió:

> Albert,
>
> Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already
> mentioned but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie
> (1956) direted by Albert Pierru and sponsored film *Skyscraper* by Clarke
> and Van Dyke from 1959, if memory serves.
>
> Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are:
>
> *Cry of Jazz *(Ed Bland, 1959)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz
>
> Jammin' The Blues (1944)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde
>> film after watching *Bridges-Go-Round* (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with
>> the soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>>
>> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
>> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music
>> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the
>> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or
>> improvisation.
>>
>> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?
>>
>> Right my list is as follows:
>>
>> *Begone Dull Care* (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>>
>> *Films No. 1* (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>>
>> *Chasse des Touches* (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>>
>> *Catalog* (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>>
>> *New York Eye and Ear Control *(1964) by Michael Snow. Music by
>> Albert Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Albert Alcoz
>>
>>
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>> http://albertalcoz.com/ 
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[tanya g]

Albert,

Thank you for initiating this thread. I apologize if this was already
mentioned but in my research I came across two others: Surprise Boogie
(1956) direted by Albert Pierru and sponsored film *Skyscraper* by Clarke
and Van Dyke from 1959, if memory serves.

Two non-avant garde that may be nonetheless of interest are:

*Cry of Jazz *(Ed Bland, 1959)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_of_Jazz

Jammin' The Blues (1944)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIFJ81RIyVk



[image: Inline image 1]

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Albert Alcoz  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde
> film after watching *Bridges-Go-Round* (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the
> soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>
> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music
> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the
> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or
> improvisation.
>
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?
>
> Right my list is as follows:
>
> *Begone Dull Care* (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>
> *Films No. 1* (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>
> *Chasse des Touches* (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>
> *Catalog* (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>
> *New York Eye and Ear Control *(1964) by Michael Snow. Music by
> Albert Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Albert Alcoz
>
>
> --
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> http://albertalcoz.com/ 
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[Albert Alcoz]

Sorry, this email was just for Stephen.

Anyway, thank you all for the different suggestions concerning the
connections about Jazz music and Avant-Garde cinema.

Some other day we could exchange ideas about other music styles, for
example Tango:

Tango by Zbigniew Rybczyński
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzG0niiKdko

Reasons to be Glad by Jeff Scher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0pEpA_Y1a4


On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Albert Alcoz  wrote:

> Hello Stephen,
>
> Thank you very much for your suggestions! They are going to be very
> productive for my research.
>
> I have found this article written by Brett Kashmere that deals with some
> of this topics.
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Pull my Daisy! Of course!
>
> All the best,
> Albert
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Stephen Broomer <
> stephen_broo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Albert,
>>
>> Jack Chambers' R34 features a section of Ayler's Bells for the last
>> stretch of it.
>>
>> Joyce Wieland's Rat Life and Diet in North America has a violent
>> cacophony of free jazz at the beginning that I've not been able to identify.
>>
>> Joyce's Water Sark has an improvisational soundtrack by Carla Bley & Mike
>> Mantler (of the Jazz Composers Orchestra) with Ray Jessel (Broadway
>> composer and later novelty songwriter).
>>
>> Likewise, her Peggy's Blue Skylight is named for the Mingus composition
>> and features Paul Bley playing it on the soundtrack.
>>
>> There are passages of jazz in the collage soundtracks of Arthur Lipsett.
>> (Sorry for the Canada-centric response!)
>>
>> I feel like there's a Kuchar movie that has the Scott Lafaro bass solo
>> from Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz on the soundtrack...
>>
>> There's another Hy Hirsch film, Gyromorphosis, that uses Django by the
>> MJQ/John Lewis.
>>
>> There's always Pull My Daisy.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Albert Alcoz  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde
>> film after watching *Bridges-Go-Round* (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with
>> the soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>>
>> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
>> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music
>> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the
>> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or
>> improvisation.
>>
>> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?
>>
>> Right my list is as follows:
>>
>> *Begone Dull Care* (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>>
>> *Films No. 1* (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>>
>> *Chasse des Touches* (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>>
>> *Catalog* (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>>
>> *New York Eye and Ear Control *(1964) by Michael Snow. Music by
>> Albert Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Albert Alcoz
>>
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Albert Alcoz]

Hello Stephen,

Thank you very much for your suggestions! They are going to be very
productive for my research.

I have found this article written by Brett Kashmere that deals with some of
this topics.
[image: Inline image 1]

Pull my Daisy! Of course!

All the best,
Albert

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Stephen Broomer  wrote:

> Hi Albert,
>
> Jack Chambers' R34 features a section of Ayler's Bells for the last
> stretch of it.
>
> Joyce Wieland's Rat Life and Diet in North America has a violent cacophony
> of free jazz at the beginning that I've not been able to identify.
>
> Joyce's Water Sark has an improvisational soundtrack by Carla Bley & Mike
> Mantler (of the Jazz Composers Orchestra) with Ray Jessel (Broadway
> composer and later novelty songwriter).
>
> Likewise, her Peggy's Blue Skylight is named for the Mingus composition
> and features Paul Bley playing it on the soundtrack.
>
> There are passages of jazz in the collage soundtracks of Arthur Lipsett.
> (Sorry for the Canada-centric response!)
>
> I feel like there's a Kuchar movie that has the Scott Lafaro bass solo
> from Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz on the soundtrack...
>
> There's another Hy Hirsch film, Gyromorphosis, that uses Django by the
> MJQ/John Lewis.
>
> There's always Pull My Daisy.
>
> Stephen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Albert Alcoz  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde
> film after watching *Bridges-Go-Round* (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the
> soundtrack version created by Teo Macero.
>
> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music
> should be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the
> one by Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or
> improvisation.
>
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?
>
> Right my list is as follows:
>
> *Begone Dull Care* (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
>
> *Films No. 1* (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
>
> *Chasse des Touches* (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
>
> *Catalog* (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
>
> *New York Eye and Ear Control *(1964) by Michael Snow. Music by
> Albert Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Albert Alcoz
>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Adam Hyman]

Good call.
The vimeo page that you linked to  includes the name of the musician in the
text  - jazz multi-instrumentalist Joe McPhee.
McPhee is fantastic.



From:  Kate Ewald 
Hi Albert,

Ephraim Asili's Many Thousands Gone uses an improvised score from a jazz
saxophonist, although I don't know his name.  My understanding was that they
did two takes - the first completely improvised without seeing the film
prior, and the second take with only the first viewing under his belt.
Ephraim then edited the two takes together for what is now the full score,
with permission from the musician.

You can see the full film on his vimeo: https://vimeo.com/105169029

Cheers,
Kate Ewald  


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[Kate Ewald]

Hi Albert,

Ephraim Asili's *Many Thousands Gone* uses an improvised score from a jazz
saxophonist, although I don't know his name.  My understanding was that
they did two takes - the first completely improvised without seeing the
film prior, and the second take with only the first viewing under his
belt.  Ephraim then edited the two takes together for what is now the full
score, with permission from the musician.

You can see the full film on his vimeo: https://vimeo.com/105169029

Cheers,
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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Adam Hyman]

Filmforum screened Joyce Wieland's Rat Life and Diet in North America
recently and Mark Toscano was able to identify it.
"The free jazzish music in Rat Life and Diet is from this excellent JCO
record"
https://www.discogs.com/The-Jazz-Composers-Orchestra-The-Jazz-Composers-Orch
estra/master/39895

Best regards,
Adam Hyman
Los Angeles Filmforum
From:  Stephen Broomer <stephen_broo...@hotmail.com>
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Date:  Wed, 8 Nov 2017 13:03:49 +
To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>"
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Subject:  Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

Hi Albert,

Jack Chambers' R34 features a section of Ayler's Bells for the last stretch
of it.

Joyce Wieland's Rat Life and Diet in North America has a violent cacophony
of free jazz at the beginning that I've not been able to identify.

Joyce's Water Sark has an improvisational soundtrack by Carla Bley & Mike
Mantler (of the Jazz Composers Orchestra) with Ray Jessel (Broadway composer
and later novelty songwriter).

Likewise, her Peggy's Blue Skylight is named for the Mingus composition and
features Paul Bley playing it on the soundtrack.

There are passages of jazz in the collage soundtracks of Arthur Lipsett.
(Sorry for the Canada-centric response!)

I feel like there's a Kuchar movie that has the Scott Lafaro bass solo from
Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz on the soundtrack...

There's another Hy Hirsch film, Gyromorphosis, that uses Django by the
MJQ/John Lewis.

There's always Pull My Daisy.

Stephen

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 8, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Albert Alcoz <albertal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde film
> after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the soundtrack
> version created by Teo Macero.
> 
> There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the
> soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music should
> be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the one by
> Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or improvisation.
> 
> Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?
> 
> Right my list is as follows:
> 
> Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
> 
> Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie
> 
> Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk
> 
> Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
> 
> New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler,
> Don Cherry, etc.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Albert Alcoz
> 
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Stephen Broomer]

Ah geez, can’t forget: Phill Niblock’s Magic Sun featuring Sun Ra & the 
Arkestra.

S

On Nov 8, 2017, at 8:03 AM, Stephen Broomer 
> wrote:

Hi Albert,

Jack Chambers' R34 features a section of Ayler's Bells for the last stretch of 
it.

Joyce Wieland's Rat Life and Diet in North America has a violent cacophony of 
free jazz at the beginning that I've not been able to identify.

Joyce's Water Sark has an improvisational soundtrack by Carla Bley & Mike 
Mantler (of the Jazz Composers Orchestra) with Ray Jessel (Broadway composer 
and later novelty songwriter).

Likewise, her Peggy's Blue Skylight is named for the Mingus composition and 
features Paul Bley playing it on the soundtrack.

There are passages of jazz in the collage soundtracks of Arthur Lipsett. (Sorry 
for the Canada-centric response!)

I feel like there's a Kuchar movie that has the Scott Lafaro bass solo from 
Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz on the soundtrack...

There's another Hy Hirsch film, Gyromorphosis, that uses Django by the MJQ/John 
Lewis.

There's always Pull My Daisy.

Stephen

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 8, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Albert Alcoz 
> wrote:

Hello,

I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde film 
after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the soundtrack 
version created by Teo Macero.

There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music should 
be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the one by 
Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or improvisation.

Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?

Right my list is as follows:

Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson

Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie

Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk

Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman

New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler, Don 
Cherry, etc.

Thanks in advance,

Albert Alcoz


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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Stephen Broomer]

Hi Albert,

Jack Chambers' R34 features a section of Ayler's Bells for the last stretch of 
it.

Joyce Wieland's Rat Life and Diet in North America has a violent cacophony of 
free jazz at the beginning that I've not been able to identify.

Joyce's Water Sark has an improvisational soundtrack by Carla Bley & Mike 
Mantler (of the Jazz Composers Orchestra) with Ray Jessel (Broadway composer 
and later novelty songwriter).

Likewise, her Peggy's Blue Skylight is named for the Mingus composition and 
features Paul Bley playing it on the soundtrack.

There are passages of jazz in the collage soundtracks of Arthur Lipsett. (Sorry 
for the Canada-centric response!)

I feel like there's a Kuchar movie that has the Scott Lafaro bass solo from 
Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz on the soundtrack...

There's another Hy Hirsch film, Gyromorphosis, that uses Django by the MJQ/John 
Lewis.

There's always Pull My Daisy.

Stephen

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 8, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Albert Alcoz 
> wrote:

Hello,

I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde film 
after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the soundtrack 
version created by Teo Macero.

There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music should 
be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the one by 
Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or improvisation.

Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks?

Right my list is as follows:

Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson

Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie

Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk

Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman

New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler, Don 
Cherry, etc.

Thanks in advance,

Albert Alcoz


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Re: [Frameworks] Jazz Music and Avant-Garde Film

[Pablo Marin]

Hi Albert,

Daybreak Express (1953), by D.A. Pennebaker
Music by Duke Ellington.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDqBoUYpMq4

Best!
Pablo MarínBuenos Aires 

On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 5:14 AM, Albert Alcoz 
 wrote:
 

 Hello,
I was wondering about the connections between jazz music and avant-garde film 
after watching Bridges-Go-Round (1958) by Shirley Clarke, with the soundtrack 
version created by Teo Macero.
There should be plenty of avant-garde and experimental films where the 
soundtrack is instrumental jazz music. Maybe the field of Visual Music should 
be the most represented but i'm sure there are other films like the one by 
Michael Snow that uses, in this case, free jazz music or improvisation.

Does anyone remember some other avant-garde films with jazz soundtracks? 
Right my list is as follows:
Begone Dull Care (1949) by Norman McLaren. Music by Oscar Peterson
Films No. 1 (1948) by Harry Smith. Music by Dizzy Gillespie

Chasse des Touches (1959) by Hy Hirsh. Music by Thelonious Monk

Catalog (1961) by John Whitney. Music by Ornette Coleman
New York Eye and Ear Control (1964) by Michael Snow. Music by Albert Ayler, Don 
Cherry, etc.

Thanks in advance,
Albert Alcoz

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