The FreeBSD Diary: 2006-08-20 - 2006-09-09
The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists and/or The FreeBSD Diary http://www.freebsddiary.org/. These are the articles posted during this period: 4-Sep : Monitor your 3Ware battery backup unit (BBU) Why not monitor your battery? http://freebsddiary.org/3ware-netsaint-plugin-addenda.php?2 28-Aug : 3Ware - Manage your RAID arrays via http Nothing like a little graphical interaction to get the bytes flowing http://freebsddiary.org/dual-opteron-3ware-web.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p
I get the message /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++_p while building the xfe X11 file manager. A google did not give any ideas. Need help. Thanks, Vishy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Integrating kernel modules into the kernel while building the kernel
I have a bunch of kernel modules I load from loader.conf. Eg: snd_emu10k1, acpi, ndis and many others. I am thinking of custom building the kernel. Could anyone guide me into integrating these kernel modules into the kernel, so that i dont have to load these options into loader.conf? Using 6.1 on i386. Thanks, Vishy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
atapicam trouble
I run 6.1-STABLE-200607 on my brand new box with Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2 x 2,40 GHz cpu (beautiful piece of machinery) I can use my dvd-devices with atapicd, but atapicam do not work. kldload atapicam causes an interrupt storm, I guess. I tried to take out atapicd from the kernel after reading http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/73675 In fact, I removed ataraid atapifd atapist too, without any luck. Here is output from top -S a few seconds after kldload atapicam last pid: 600; load averages: 0.24, 0.24, 0.11up 0+00:02:36 11:27:53 88 processes: 5 running, 64 sleeping, 19 waiting CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 43.8% interrupt, 56.2% idle Mem: 22M Active, 9604K Inact, 28M Wired, 15M Buf, 1943M Free Swap: 4070M Total, 4070M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 11 root1 171 52 0K 8K RUN1 2:03 99.26% idle: cpu1 12 root1 171 52 0K 8K RUN0 1:54 62.26% idle: cpu0 22 root1 -64 -183 0K 8K CPU0 0 0:09 36.41% irq16: uhci0+ 31 root1 -68 -187 0K 8K WAIT 1 0:01 0.00% irq19: re0 uhci3++ Could anyone point me in a direction too solve this, please? mvh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Question
Hello sir I am new to freeBSD and i am using FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE for my personal server. i am asking specificly about two questions: What is equal to WGET? And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? regards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can I Get An Email Account?
On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 02:47:05AM -0500, Irc Maniac . wrote: Can you hook me up with me@freebsd.org? Sure. All you need to do is to contribute to the FreeBSD project with either heaps of code or documentation. -- Jonathan Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you wish your merit to be known, acknowledge that of other people ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 06:56:16PM +0930, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello sir I am new to freeBSD and i am using FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE for my personal server. You should move to 6.1-RELEASE instead. i am asking specificly about two questions: What is equal to WGET? fetch(1) And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? gunzip(1) works fine here, what problems are you having? To unzip ZIPs, you need to install archivers/unzip. To unzip RARs, you need to install archivers/unrar. Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- When you don't know what you are doing, do it neatly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello sir I am new to freeBSD and i am using FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE for my personal server. i am asking specificly about two questions: What is equal to WGET? fetch(1) comes with the base system. You can install wget, curl and other tools from the ports. And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? Using the archivers/unzip and archivers/unrar ports respectively. If you install archivers/file-roller you have a graphical tool that lets you handle archives in a very intuitive way. --jona ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:56:16 +0930 (CST)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is equal to WGET?
Welcome :)
man fetch
or simypl install wget from ports , ftp/wget
... in other words,
cd /usr/ports/ftp/wget
make install
or use portinstall
portinstall ftp/wget
or pkg_add
pkg_add -r wget
And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs?
if you tell us what gunzip is or isn't doing we may be able to help you more.
for zips, use the port archivers/unzip
and for rar well you guessed yet, archivers/rar
Good luck,
B
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Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought
On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:32:41 -0300 (ADT)
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone suggest a good one that runs under FreeBSD?
I do my feeds as part of my email. I use Sylpheed-Claws and the
sylpheed-claws-rssyl plugin
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Top behavior differences
Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? On Linux you can enter a 1 and the status header provides a display for each processor. I think this is a lot more informative that the FreeBSD way of doing this. Or am I missing how to obtain the same information in FreeBSD? Perhaps some other tool? Or a different command to top? -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello sir I am new to freeBSD and i am using FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE for my personal server. i am asking specificly about two questions: What is equal to WGET? If you must have wget, you can install it from the ftp ports. Otherwise, consult man fetch for the native utilities. And why GUNZIP isn't working and how do i unzip ZIPs and RARs? gzip/gunzip works fine, but for zip files and rar files you need the appropriate utilities from ports/archivers. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought
On 9/10/06, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone suggest a good one that runs under FreeBSD? Google Reader is evil, but works. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RSSreader: Recommendations Sought
On 10/09/06 Andrew Pantyukhin said: Google Reader is evil, but works. Google Reader blows. Bloglines is much better. That said, I'd rather use Liferea on *nix. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgp1SDJ1NSHnu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: man page bug in mv(1) ?
On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, James Long wrote: The man page mv(1) states: It is an error for either the source operand or the destination path to specify a directory unless both do. However: mv file /tmp/ works. Am I reading things wrong, or is the man page incorrect? The man page is correct, but a little misleading unless you read it carefully. The first two paragraphs of the description section define the term destination path. -- jan grant, ISYS, University of Bristol. http://www.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44 (0)117 3317661 http://ioctl.org/jan/ Solution: (n) a watered-down version of something neat. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cdrecord not working the way expected
anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option gives me this error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is probably rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction here? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 acd0: CDRW LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-4832K/OQKB at ata0-master UDMA40 acd0: CDRW LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-4832K/OQKB at ata0-master UDMA40 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uname -a FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 13:08:08 CDT 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! cheers, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord not working the way expected
On 9/10/06, Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option gives me this error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is probably rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction here? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 acd0: CDRW LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-4832K/OQKB at ata0-master UDMA40 acd0: CDRW LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-4832K/OQKB at ata0-master UDMA40 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uname -a FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 13:08:08 CDT 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! Even though this isn't a gnome problem... check out http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html#q15 cheers, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thinkpad
Hi all, Got hold of an old IBM X21 Thinkpad. Anyone out there have any recommendations for a good kernel config or whatever to squeeze the most of this little fellow? Thanks George ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top behavior differences
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: 1) The people who created X weren't interested in feature Y. Since they were doing unpaid work, they created the features they were interested in. 2) The core code of X was written before the technological advance that made feature Y useful, and no one has needed feature Y badly enough to add it to X. 3) The creators of X didn't think of feature Y, and no one has gotten in touch with the maintainers to suggest it. 4) Only one or two people want feature Y, and the amount of work necessary to add it to X greatly exceeds the benefit of providing a feature for one or two people. Also, no one has contacted the maintainers of X to ask how much it would cost to change their minds about this. 5) No one wants feature Y badly enough to devote the necessary free time to learn the skills and do the work necessary to create it. Since it's not high on anyone's list of things to do in their spare time, everyone has chosen to wait until it moves to the top of someone else's list of things to do in their spare time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Rails] SaltedHashLoginGenerator no such file to load -- iconv
ok, I found the magic sauce. It's actually on my beastie box It's here: /usr/ports/converters/ruby-iconv If you are new to FreeBSD [ like me ], /usr/ports/ is loaded up with a bunch of software which you can install. Usually software I find there installs cleanly with a simple make make install So, I installed ruby-iconv and now require 'iconv' returns true rather than an exception. -Dan On 9/9/06, Dan Bikle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, I too have just bumped into this issue. I see it on a freebsd box: bash jake oracle /usr/local 12 $ uname -a FreeBSD jake.host.com 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Tue Nov 1 05:56:17 CST 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] :/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/JAKE i386 bash jake oracle /usr/local 13 $ I compared my bsd box to my Mac: bash jake oracle ~/o 24 $ find . -print|grep iconv ./lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/iconvcharset.rb bash jake oracle ~/o 25 $ which ruby /home/oracle/o/bin/ruby bash jake oracle ~/o 26 $ ruby -v ruby 1.8.4 (2005-12-24) [i386-freebsd5.3] bash jake oracle ~/o 27 $ bash jake oracle ~/o 27 $ bash jake oracle ~/o 27 $ irb irb(main):001:0 require 'iconv' LoadError: no such file to load -- iconv from (irb):1:in `require' from (irb):1 irb(main):002:0 irb(main):003:0* quit bash jake oracle ~/o 28 $ bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 1 $ find . -print|grep iconv ./lib/ruby/1.8/doc/files/xsd/iconvcharset_rb.html ./lib/ruby/1.8/powerpc-darwin8.7.0/iconv.bundle ./lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/iconvcharset.rb ./share/ri/1.8/system/Iconv/iconv-c.yaml ./share/ri/1.8/system/Iconv/iconv-i.yaml bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 2 $ which ruby /r/bin/ruby bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 3 $ ruby -v ruby 1.8.4 (2005-12-24) [powerpc-darwin8.7.0] bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 4 $ bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 4 $ bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 4 $ irb irb(main):001:0 require 'iconv' require 'iconv' = true irb(main):002:0 quit bash maco-mois-powerbook-g4-17 maco /r 5 $ It looks like my Mac has some kind of iconv special sauce on it. I assume it was put there when I installed ruby. I'd like to find the said sauce for my freebsd beastie. -Dan On 8/16/06, Elliott Blatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to use the SaltedHashLoginGenerator as documented on http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/SaltedHashLoginGenerator Ruby version: ruby 1.8.4 (2005-12-24) [i386-openbsd3.9] I've the following commands: gem install salted_login_generator gem install localization_generator rails myapp cd myapp ruby script/generate salted_login User Localization All ran successfully. I then created the databases and schema, without incident. In theory, I should be able to hit my server: http://my.host.com:3000/user . Doing so, throws an error page in my face: +--- + MissingSourceFile + + no such file to load -- iconv + There are many posts out there conerning this missing dependency for windows, but none for *NIX. What is iconv and where is it missing from? ruby? rails? In either case, where do I get said file? -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. ___ Rails mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integrating kernel modules into the kernel while building the kernel
In the last episode (Sep 10), Viswas Nair said: I have a bunch of kernel modules I load from loader.conf. Eg: snd_emu10k1, acpi, ndis and many others. I am thinking of custom building the kernel. Could anyone guide me into integrating these kernel modules into the kernel, so that i dont have to load these options into loader.conf? Just add them as devices to your config file. Take a look at /sys/config/NOTES and /sys/i386/config/NOTES for the full list and any dependencies. device sound device snd_emu10k1 device acpi device ndis -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: atapicam trouble (me too)
At Sun, 10 Sep 2006 it looks like Johan Johansen composed: I run 6.1-STABLE-200607 on my brand new box with Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2 x 2,40 GHz cpu (beautiful piece of machinery) I can use my dvd-devices with atapicd, but atapicam do not work. kldload atapicam causes an interrupt storm, I guess. I tried to take out atapicd from the kernel after reading http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/73675 In fact, I removed ataraid atapifd atapist too, without any luck. Here is output from top -S a few seconds after kldload atapicam last pid: 600; load averages: 0.24, 0.24, 0.11 up 0+00:02:36 11:27:53 88 processes: 5 running, 64 sleeping, 19 waiting CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 43.8% interrupt, 56.2% idle Mem: 22M Active, 9604K Inact, 28M Wired, 15M Buf, 1943M Free Swap: 4070M Total, 4070M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 11 root1 171 52 0K 8K RUN1 2:03 99.26% idle: cpu1 12 root1 171 52 0K 8K RUN0 1:54 62.26% idle: cpu0 22 root1 -64 -183 0K 8K CPU0 0 0:09 36.41% irq16: uhci0+ 31 root1 -68 -187 0K 8K WAIT 1 0:01 0.00% irq19: re0 uhci3++ Could anyone point me in a direction too solve this, please? I was just messing with this with a very good PLEXTOR DVD-RW drive, tried to rebuild the kernel with only device atapicam and there was some issues, for some strange reason, the system wedged, then tried to read the drive's contents at boot time, and then I lost my X resolution upon booting back into KDE, I was there with only what amounted to 800x600 (actually something weirder than that) and could NOT restore my X session, tried to reconfigure X -- nada. The machine is triple booted with three different drives, X worked fine on the other variants -- I thought the integrated video_chip went bad, that was not the case, just 6.1 was bad, that was a bittersweet relief. When I did try to start X in the beginning the whole system wedged, could not understand why just adding the device atapicam line to a new kernel would do this, something got corrupted. I was getting perfect config files with Xorg -configure and no matter what, nothing now. Isn't 6.2 coming out soon? mvh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bill Schoolcraft * http://wiliweld.com * If you turn your headlights on while going the speed of light, does anything happen? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: easy patch management tools
Suggestions from another rookie(me): I use the ports tree and portsnap, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/portsnap.html, and when it's time to update the following one liner works great for me: cd /boot/ ; cp -Rp kernel kernel.good ; cd /usr/src ; cvsup -gL2 /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile ; make -j4 buildworld ; make buildkernel ; make installkernel ; make installworld; mergermaster ; reboot - Original Message - From: Aaron Bliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: easy patch management tools Hi everyone, first let me say that I'm pretty new to bsd, so please forgive the newbie questions; I've been using linux (redhat, suse, centos) for many years, and so learning bsd was a bit of a learning curve, but not bad (I almost never use gui's for administration); I was wondering if there are any packagement tools for freebsd/pcbsd that offer simular functionality to up2date or yum; I take care of installing and updating complete rpm based systems using yum, and have not found a tool simular to yum for freebds (I'm also trying to stay away from pbi's, since they are specific to pcbsd); I've used the pkg_add, pkg_delete, portupgrade tools, but am just looking for an easy way to ensure my entire bsd box is updated; Also, as I understand it, bsd makes use of ports, by using tools such as cvsup, however I have never had much success compiling my own software, as such much prefer to use binary packages, which I understand that the freebsd authors provide; for example, if I wanted to install pine, I would much rather install it by running pkg_add -r pine ; I'm just looking for a simple way to update currently installed binaries, simular to installing new binaries with pkg_add ; thanks very much for your help with this. Aaron ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Making startup order static
FreeBSD 6.1 I need to keep several programs starting in a particular order. clamav-clamd clamav-freshclam clamsmtpd saslauthd dovecot postfix fetchmail By default, they do not start in that order. I have modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the order specified above. The problem is that every time I update these programs the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate the modifications to force the start up order I require. Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; however, I have not discovered it. -- White Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SnapShot Magic
Hi: Last week I installed all the bits and pieces to do automatic snapshots, and allow regular users to retreive lost/corrupted data from hours, days, and weeks ago. It was all quite simple, and logical. Now that it has been running for several days I have a few questions. How can this be?: $ snapshot list /usr Filesystem User User% Snap Snap% Snapshot /usr 11399MB 37.1%116MB0.4% daily.0 /usr 11399MB 37.1%136MB0.4% daily.1 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 25MB0.1% hourly.0 /usr 11399MB 37.1% 28MB0.1% hourly.1 /usr 11399MB 37.1%117MB0.4% hourly.2 /usr 11399MB 37.1%120MB0.4% hourly.3 How can /usr:hourly.0 be 25MB, and /usr:hourly.3 be 120MB ??? What's even more mystifying is this: $ ls -al /usr/.snap total 558260 drwxrwxr-x 2 root operator 512 Sep 10 12:00 . drwxr-xr-x 20 root wheel 512 Aug 23 13:55 .. -r 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 daily.0 -r 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:03 daily.1 -r 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 hourly.0 -r 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 hourly.1 -r 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:15 hourly.2 -r 1 root operator 33282639248 Sep 10 14:03 hourly.3 /usr is a 33GB HW/Raid partition, how can it possibly hold 6 33GB snapshots??? If I mount each one of these, they all report to df that they are indeed 33BB file systems! How is this magic achieved? Is there a doc somewhere with an explaination? TIA Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Making startup order static
--- Martin Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, thought about using PROVIDE and REQUIRE keywords (see /usr/local/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd.sh resp. clamav-freshclam.sh Maybe you might want to have a look into man rc or man rcorder Cheers, -Martin- FreeBSD 6.1 I need to keep several programs starting in a particular order. clamav-clamd clamav-freshclam clamsmtpd saslauthd dovecot postfix fetchmail By default, they do not start in that order. I have modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the order specified above. The problem is that every time I update these programs the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate the modifications to force the start up order I require. Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; however, I have not discovered it. Martin, I don't think that you understood what I meant. Either that or I described it incorrectly. I did modify the rc.d files using BEFORE: and REQUIRE:. That works just fine. The problem is if one of those files is updated, the rc.d file is overwritten resulting in the loss of my customization. I therefore have to manually edit those files again. I was trying to find someway to circumvent that procedure. -- White Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Making startup order static
At 02:02 PM 9/10/2006, White Hat wrote: --- Martin Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, thought about using PROVIDE and REQUIRE keywords (see /usr/local/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd.sh resp. clamav-freshclam.sh Maybe you might want to have a look into man rc or man rcorder Cheers, -Martin- FreeBSD 6.1 I need to keep several programs starting in a particular order. clamav-clamd clamav-freshclam clamsmtpd saslauthd dovecot postfix fetchmail By default, they do not start in that order. I have modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the order specified above. The problem is that every time I update these programs the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate the modifications to force the start up order I require. Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; however, I have not discovered it. Martin, I don't think that you understood what I meant. Either that or I described it incorrectly. I did modify the rc.d files using BEFORE: and REQUIRE:. That works just fine. The problem is if one of those files is updated, the rc.d file is overwritten resulting in the loss of my customization. I therefore have to manually edit those files again. I was trying to find someway to circumvent that procedure. how about putting them in /usr/local/etc/rc.d and then using a numeric to start them 001file.sh 002file.sh or create a script with just one file.sh ? -JD ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sis 190 linux to BSD driver
I have a Asus K8S-MX system with has the SiS190 integrated ethernet driver. The ethernet does get detected in the OS and I notice that there is no native BSD driver. I tried project evil and make an ndis wrapper around the windows driver. However this does not work. I have found the linux source for this driver. Could anyone give tips on how to covert this linux driver to work with BSD or any other alternate suggestion? Thanks, Vishy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making startup order static
On Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 7:02:09 PM, White confabulated: --- Martin Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, thought about using PROVIDE and REQUIRE keywords (see /usr/local/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd.sh resp. clamav-freshclam.sh Maybe you might want to have a look into man rc or man rcorder Cheers, -Martin- FreeBSD 6.1 I need to keep several programs starting in a particular order. clamav-clamd clamav-freshclam clamsmtpd saslauthd dovecot postfix fetchmail By default, they do not start in that order. I have modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the order specified above. The problem is that every time I update these programs the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate the modifications to force the start up order I require. Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; however, I have not discovered it. Martin, I don't think that you understood what I meant. Either that or I described it incorrectly. I did modify the rc.d files using BEFORE: and REQUIRE:. That works just fine. The problem is if one of those files is updated, the rc.d file is overwritten resulting in the loss of my customization. I therefore have to manually edit those files again. I was trying to find someway to circumvent that procedure. J.D. Bronson took the words from my fingers. I have a server application that needs the 5.0 compatibility loaded running on our 6.0 server. Once compat5x was installed via the port, the startup script that was placed within /usr/local/etc/rc.d had '000.' prepended to its name to ensure it was loaded before anything. I.e. 000.compat5x.sh. I also had the same scenario with order in startup. That was rectified by setting up one script to start each of the items in order. -- This message was sent using 100% recycled electrons. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Recommended remote management card for FreeBSD 6.X?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philippe Lang skrev: Hi, What remote management card (like Drac, for example) would you recommend for a FreeBSD 6.X Server? I guess you'll get as many replies as there are vendors here, but my 2 cents worth of advice is to go with the HP iLO / iLO2 - they work like a charm! Hi, I had a look at the iLO2 card, but tell me if I'm wrong: this hardware is specific to HP Proliant Servers, right? --- Philippe Lang Attik System smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: Making startup order static
--- J.D. Bronson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how about putting them in /usr/local/etc/rc.d and then using a numeric to start them 001file.sh 002file.sh or create a script with just one file.sh ? I had considered that approach. The problem is if the program is updated it will will write a new file to the rc.d directory. Since I sort of automate the updating of my system, if I was not vigilante in inspecting the rc.d directory, I could very well end up with two scripts starting the same program. I am not sure how that would work; however, I would assume it would not be a good thing. Furthermore, I am not sure if the numeric thing would really work unless I also modified the REQUIRE: and BEFORE: settings in the scripts(s). I was hoping that there would be a master config file that I could manipulate so that each script is started in a precise order irregardless of its name. -- White Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SnapShot Magic
Bob wrote: /usr is a 33GB HW/Raid partition, how can it possibly hold 6 33GB snapshots??? If I mount each one of these, they all report to df that they are indeed 33BB file systems! How is this magic achieved? Is there a doc somewhere with an explaination? Snapshots only hold the originals of blocks that have changed, but still look like a complete file system when you mount them. From man mount: Further details can be found in the file at /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot. which should have a pointer to the original paper. --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord not working the way expected
+++ michael johnson [freebsd] [10-09-06 11:16 -0400]: | On 9/10/06, Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option gives | me | this error: | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# cdrecord -scanbus | Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J?rg | Schilling | cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. | cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. | cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. | | i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is | probably | rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction | here? | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 | acd0: CDRW LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-4832K/OQKB at ata0-master UDMA40 | acd0: CDRW LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-4832K/OQKB at ata0-master UDMA40 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uname -a | FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 | 13:08:08 | CDT 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 | | anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! # kldload atapicam # chmod 666 /dev/pass0 /dev/xpt0 /dev/cd0 k3b Is what I generally use and it works for me. After you run 'kldload..' check the dmesg output immediatly. You shoud be able to see some 'cd0' or 'cd*'. 'dmesg | grep ^cd' Shantanoo -- Ignore everybody. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: easy patch management tools
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 02:06:14PM -0400, RJ wrote: Suggestions from another rookie(me): I use the ports tree and portsnap, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/portsnap.html, and when it's time to update the following one liner works great for me: cd /boot/ ; cp -Rp kernel kernel.good ; cd /usr/src ; cvsup -gL2 /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile ; make -j4 buildworld ; make buildkernel ; make installkernel ; make installworld; mergermaster ; reboot - Original Message - From: Aaron Bliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: easy patch management tools Hi everyone, first let me say that I'm pretty new to bsd, so please forgive the newbie questions; I've been using linux (redhat, suse, centos) for many years, and so learning bsd was a bit of a learning curve, but not bad (I almost never use gui's for administration); I was wondering if there are any packagement tools for freebsd/pcbsd that offer simular functionality to up2date or yum; I take care of installing and updating complete rpm based systems using yum, and have not found a tool simular to yum for freebds (I'm also trying to stay away from pbi's, since they are specific to pcbsd); I've used the pkg_add, pkg_delete, portupgrade tools, but am just looking for an easy way to ensure my entire bsd box is updated; Also, as I understand it, bsd makes use of ports, by using tools such as cvsup, however I have never had much success compiling my own software, as such much prefer to use binary packages, which I understand that the freebsd authors provide; for example, if I wanted to install pine, I would much rather install it by running pkg_add -r pine ; I'm just looking for a simple way to update currently installed binaries, simular to installing new binaries with pkg_add ; thanks very much for your help with this. Aaron ___ I perfer to use portsnap with portupgrade. Others use portsnap with portmanager. Yet others will suggest portsnap with portmaster. I am not very familiar with portmaster, but I have used the other two to upgrade my system. Read the man pages for information on installing packages. -- FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 GENERIC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making startup order static
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:11:36AM -0700, White Hat wrote: FreeBSD 6.1 I need to keep several programs starting in a particular order. clamav-clamd clamav-freshclam clamsmtpd saslauthd dovecot postfix fetchmail By default, they do not start in that order. I have modified the rc.d files to force them to start in the order specified above. The problem is that every time I update these programs the rc.d startup file is modified which destroys the changes I have made. This then requires me to recreate the modifications to force the start up order I require. Is there anyway I can achieve this goal in a simplified manner? I thought perhaps there might be something I could add to the /etc/rc.conf file; however, I have not discovered it. -- White Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is my understanding the files get called in alphabetical order. Look in your/usr/local/etc/rc.d directory. I had a small problem with squid and dansguardian not being call in order. Renaming one of them solved my problem. I hope this help... -- FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 GENERIC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie Experience
Hi, I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to pure Unix, and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts on an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard drive, S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy at best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory history of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the /etc/rc.conf file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. And DesktopBSD was even worse. I then repartitioned my drive and sequentially installed Fedora Core 5 amd then Suse 10.1. Both were EASY to install, Fedora in particular recognized all of my peripherals, and I was up and running with it in about two hours. Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). FreeBSD has an awful out of the box experience. It's too bad, because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, Bob Walker Surveys Forecasts, LLC 2323 North Street Fairfield, CT 06824-1738 T +1.203.255.0505 F +1.203.549.0635 M +1.203.685.8860 www.safllc.com NOTICE: The information in this message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email and all other documents included with it. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord not working the way expected
On Sunday 10 September 2006 14:47, Shantanoo Mahajan wrote: +++ michael johnson [freebsd] [10-09-06 11:16 -0400]: | On 9/10/06, Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | anyone here sucessfully using cdrecord in freebsd? -scanbus option | gives me | this error: | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# cdrecord -scanbus | Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 | J?rg Schilling | cdrecord: Error 0. Cannot open SCSI driver. | cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. | cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. | | i have a feeling that the reason my DVD-CDRW isnt working in xine is | probably | rooted in the same cause. can anyone point me in the right direction | here? | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# dmesg |grep acd0 | acd0: CDRW LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-4832K/OQKB at ata0-master UDMA40 | acd0: CDRW LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-4832K/OQKB at ata0-master UDMA40 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uname -a | FreeBSD athena.dfwlp.com 6.1-STABLE FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 | 13:08:08 | CDT 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHENA i386 | | anything at all that can get me going on this would be much appricated! # kldload atapicam # chmod 666 /dev/pass0 /dev/xpt0 /dev/cd0 k3b Is what I generally use and it works for me. After you run 'kldload..' check the dmesg output immediatly. You shoud be able to see some 'cd0' or 'cd*'. 'dmesg | grep ^cd' Shantanoo thank you! that was it!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# kldstat Id Refs AddressSize Name 1 15 0xc040 6b5a90 kernel 22 0xc0ab6000 1adb8linux.ko 31 0xc0ad1000 5f60 snd_ich.ko 42 0xc0ad7000 22b88sound.ko 51 0xc0afa000 59e80acpi.ko 61 0xc0b54000 4a3710 nvidia.ko 71 0xc86f5000 4000 atapicam.ko (dmesg...) 0: LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-4832K OQKB Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd6.1) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'LITE-ON ' 'COMBO SOHC-4832K' 'OQKB' Removable CD-ROM 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * cheers, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making startup order static
--- Duane Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I also had the same scenario with order in startup. That was rectified by setting up one script to start each of the items in order. I am assuming that you removed the scripts that you called from the rc.d directory. What transpired when you updated a program? Assuming it created a file in rc.d, you then had to manually remove it correct? I am thinking that I could create a script that would check to see if a file existed in rc.d that I had chosen to start manually and if so it would then delete or move the file. However, I would have to ensure that, that script started prior to any other script. It really should not be this difficult. A master file dictating the start order of every script in rc.d would be a cool idea. -- White Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Torrentflux, PHP, and Apache
Hi all, I have a strange problem here. I just installed torrentflux on my freebsd6.1 box and it was working great for a few minutes. Then, for some reason i can't figure out, i was no longer able to view index.php. Other php files were parsed by the server just fine, but for some reason when i tried to access index.php I either got actual php code or a blank file. Let me reiterate that the other php pages for just fine...so I am a little confused. Any advice? Ideas on what could be causing this? Thanks in advance, ryan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top behavior differences
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
You are correct that FreeBSD is closer with roots to UNIX. You would have done better to post here first and get some pointers on installation. The basic install is usually easy on supported hardware. X and and GUI like gnome, kde, etc are NOT part of the OS. Unlike other OS's there is no GUI tied to FreeBSD. So most X window managers will work. But you should have done a little more research on X and whether your hardware is supported. A couple of the best parts of FreeBSD is the rich ports collection, support for even running the OS on dated hardware, and the flexibility of the OS. -Derek At 04:29 PM 9/10/2006, Bob Walker wrote: Hi, I have always wanted to better understand Unix, and so I finally made the decision to switch some of my office PCs over to either a Unix or Linux system. With office suites like OpenOffice, I felt that I would be able to transition away from Windows with minimal disruption to my business. So, I downloaded the .iso images from FreeBSD, Suse, and Fedora. I initially favored FreeBSD, since it seemed to have the closest lineage to pure Unix, and that was important to me, but after many, many attempts to install both the OS and Gnome desktop environment, I threw up my hands. In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts on an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard drive, S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy at best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory history of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the /etc/rc.conf file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. And DesktopBSD was even worse. I then repartitioned my drive and sequentially installed Fedora Core 5 amd then Suse 10.1. Both were EASY to install, Fedora in particular recognized all of my peripherals, and I was up and running with it in about two hours. Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). FreeBSD has an awful out of the box experience. It's too bad, because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, Bob Walker Surveys Forecasts, LLC 2323 North Street Fairfield, CT 06824-1738 T +1.203.255.0505 F +1.203.549.0635 M +1.203.685.8860 www.safllc.com NOTICE: The information in this message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, immediately contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email and all other documents included with it. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making startup order static
On Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 9:46:13 PM, White confabulated: --- Duane Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I also had the same scenario with order in startup. That was rectified by setting up one script to start each of the items in order. I am assuming that you removed the scripts that you called from the rc.d directory. What transpired when you updated a program? Assuming it created a file in rc.d, you then had to manually remove it correct? No. I believe I used the startup script for sa-spamd as a starting point. I'm sure others could be used as a starting point as well. I'm still in the learning process. That way I could remove the ones from the rc.conf that I wanted to start in order and use the 'force' option when loading them from the custom startup script. So, as an example, if you do not have a 'spamd=YES' in the rc.conf and you attempt to start spamd from the console, it will not start. That is because of the sa-spamd startup script. If you attempt to start spamd from the console and supply 'force start', it will start. Therefore, in my startup script I left it out of the rc.conf and used the 'force start' in my custom startup script. I am thinking that I could create a script that would check to see if a file existed in rc.d that I had chosen to start manually and if so it would then delete or move the file. However, I would have to ensure that, that script started prior to any other script. It really should not be this difficult. A master file dictating the start order of every script in rc.d would be a cool idea. -- This message was sent using 100% recycled electrons. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making startup order static
--- Duane Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] No. I believe I used the startup script for sa-spamd as a starting point. I'm sure others could be used as a starting point as well. I'm still in the learning process. That way I could remove the ones from the rc.conf that I wanted to start in order and use the 'force' option when loading them from the custom startup script. So, as an example, if you do not have a 'spamd=YES' in the rc.conf and you attempt to start spamd from the console, it will not start. That is because of the sa-spamd startup script. If you attempt to start spamd from the console and supply 'force start', it will start. Therefore, in my startup script I left it out of the rc.conf and used the 'force start' in my custom startup script. I can see how that could work. It is still a hack, but better than nothing. If I cannot come up with anything else, I will give that a try. [...] -- White Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Windows emulator in amd64
What package will work to run Windoze programs in FreeBSD/amd64? I don't usually worry about, but my Father switched to FreeBSD/amd64 (which is what I run) and he can't seem to find one. I first steered him toward vmware3, which I found in the ports. But it refused to install because of being the 64-bit OS. So, I tried to install wine, also from ports, and was told the same thing. I went to the wine web site and thought I remembered seeing something about using wine on amd64. So, what windows emulator can be run in amd64? Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Origin of hard drive parameters
On Saturday 09 September 2006 10:53 pm, jdow wrote:
From: stheg olloydson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 9 Sep 2006 14:54:09 - ihilt wrote:
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:54 pm, jdow wrote:
Ok. Maybe the better question is: in either case, C/H/S or
LBA mode,
where are these parameters stored?
They flat out are not stored anywhere. There is a standard
algorithm
published by the VESA people, I believe, that provides the
data for
all SCSI drives and modern IDE/ATA/SATA drives.
Do you know the name of this standard or where I can get it?
Ian Graeme Hilt
Actually, the stardard is created by the T13 Technical Committee
And my idle curiosity would like to know why Ian is interested in
such an antiquated topic? There is a size limit beyond which CHS
simply does not work. The setting of CHS is in practice utterly
arbitrary. For (many/most?) USB ram disk plugins the T13 standard
does not apply due to internal ram layout. And so forth.
(Certainly on the Amiga this CHS nonsense made no practical
difference except on floppy disks or ST-506 based disk drives. And
in playing with recovering a blown block zero on an Windows machine
(more than once) I learned that CHS is utterly arbitrary on Windows.
It is arbitrary with USB ram disk modulo the ram disk's internal
layout and spares setup. And since large disks for which CHS runs
out of size abound I imagine there is not a place in the 'n'x world
where CHS matters. So I am suspecting historical curiosity if
anything else.
May I point out that I was not interested in CHS alone. My focus was the
origin of the hard drives parameters i.e. geometry, which is the subject of
discussion. From this discussion and other sources I have learned that CHS,
as you say, is arbitrary when referring to modern drives. To be specific,
drives adhering to ATA/ATAPI Specification 6 and later. ATA/ATAPI Spec. 5 and
earlier used CHS mode for representing hard drive capacity. The reason I am
interested in this topic is partially because of my idle curiosity. I'm the
type of person interested in the challenge of answering questions. The
questions, How does the BIOS automatically detect correct values for hard
disks? and, Where is this information stored? have been stuck in my head
for at least 6 months. No amount of searching the web provided me with
satisfactory results. I tried a few tests of my own, all of which failed to
answer my questions. So, I decided to appeal to the FreeBSD-questions mailing
list. Mainly because I have found useful answers to other questions here. The
other part of my reason is that one of my coworkers thought this information
was stored on the platters of the hard drive. I thought differently but I
could not _prove_ it.
As for storing it - read block zero of the disk.
Be DAMN careful not to WRITE to block zero. And if you DO write
to block zero at about the time I quit doing such low level stuff
and moved to other things there were several SCSI hard disk
manufacturers using code that had a defect such that if you wrote
more than one disk block starting at block 0 the whole disk was
toast until you did a fresh low level format on it. One sincerely
hopes THAT defect is gone these days.)
{O.O} Joanne
Reading through ATA/ATAPI -7 has helped me rephrase my questions into one:
When the command READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS is issued to the device, from where
is this information returned?
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Re: Top behavior differences
In the last episode (Sep 10), stan said: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. FreeBSD does not currently track per-cpu usage, only a total. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows emulator in amd64
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:00:34 -0600
Andrew Falanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What package will work to run Windoze programs in FreeBSD/amd64? I don't
usually worry about, but my
Father switched to FreeBSD/amd64 (which is what I run) and he can't seem to
find one. I first steered him toward vmware3, which I found in the ports.
for vmware3 you'll still need a vmware for linux commercial license to use it.
But it refused to install because of being the 64-bit OS. So, I tried to
install wine, also from ports, and was told the same thing. I went to the
wine web site and thought I remembered seeing something about using wine on
amd64. So, what windows emulator can be run in amd64?
have you tried qemu ?
I particularly feel it's not worth the effort installing windows inside a vm
like qemu..it's just feels s slow (because it is :) ... wine seems to me a
better way to go, but i didnt know about the 64-bit issue.
good luck,
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Re: Top behavior differences
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 07:57:52PM -0500, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Sep 10), stan said: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. The question I was really asking, is if there is a technical reason for this difference (eg difernt sturctures for obatining the information in the 2 OS's). The reason that i feel this is an apropriate place to ask such a question, is that top is NOT a port, but is provided by the base OS in FreeBSD. FreeBSD does not currently track per-cpu usage, only a total. Thanks you. That's the answer I was looking for. -- Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity. (Dennis Ritchie) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 05:34:48 -0300 (ADT)
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For those that are accusing bsdstats of being a pissing match ... I'm
personally tired of watching Linux get all the support when, IMHO, the
*BSDs are the better system ... the point of bsdstats is to show ppl that
do not support the *BSDs (native Flash plugin anyone?) that their is a
market they are missing out on ...
well, if you put it like that, it makes more.
ATI-X drivers is something that definitely interest me ;)
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Re: Top behavior differences
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 06:04:04PM -0400, stan wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:57:05AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:56:31AM -0400, stan wrote: Can someone explain to me why top's handling of multi processor status display is different on FreeBSD, than it is on Linux? Open source started with the concept of individuals hacking the source code to get the features they want. The commericial ideal of users paying for features they want was replaced by the ideal of users doing the work to create the features they want. Open source has evolved into the concept of many users getting a free ride as a relatively small number of open source programmers do the work for them, without pay. Possible reasons why open source software X doesn't have feature Y: -- Long discussion of open source philosophy dleted --- Once upon a time, when people posted on lists like this, they got well reasoned technical answers. They did if they asked for technical answers. What you actually asked, if you'll read your own e-mail, is why FBSD doesn't display the information the way Linux does. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD 6.1 shutting down.
Marwan Sultan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello everyone, I'm On FreeBSD 6.1R, the box is intel945 extra Dlink NIC P4.3 1G DDR2, 160GB sata. running Freeradius, chillispot, MySql 4.1, apache2. acting as NAT and hotspot login. there is two diffrent servers with the same specifications. Its was working fine starting from day 1 to day 5 uptime. and the other box from day 1 to 3, with almost 30 users as hotspot login. On day 5, it had a sudden shutdown, some users called me reported there is no internet when i checked the server i discovered the box is off power. The second box after 3 days had the same problem. when i started the power, for both...again it start to work in a goodway. I was shocked.. checked messages, dmesg, and almost everything I couldnot find any clue in logs.. so question 1, How would i check what happened for this power shutting down? Did the filesystems come up clean? That would be a hint that the kernel shut down on purpose. [I wouldn't expect it, since you said there were no hints in the logs, but it's worth checking. Next step is probably to set up a serial console and see if anything useful is showing up there when the shutdown occurs. Also try to get and track any information about system temperature, voltage, and so on; these kinds of phantom powerdowns are usually power trouble in my experience. 2) in my dmesg and since i was settingup the box, the following error was always coming and on single line atapci1: failed to enable memory mapping! I can't find that message in the -STABLE sources. Admittedly, it was a very quick search, but are you sure you copied it exactly? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fail update ruby from 1.8.2 to 1.8.5 (libruby18-static.a version issue)
Hi, I need help overcoming an obstacle updating ruby 1.8.2 to 1.8.5. I run FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE for i386 installed Sep 18 2005. I just updated the ports tree like this: # cvsup # make fetchindex # portsdb -Uu pkgdb -F shows only a couple issue, and they are not ruby-applicable: stale origin for acroread, plus some linux-atk related stale dependencies. I fail to build ruby as both static and non-static with same error message: # cd /usr/ports/lang/ruby18 or /usr/ports/lang/ruby18_static # make The make fails on this line with accompanying error message. cc main.o libruby18-static.a -lcrypt -lm -pthread -o miniruby -0 -pipe -march=pentiumpro -fPIC -DRUBY_EXPORT -rdynamic /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/i386-freebsd5/rbconfig.rb:7: ruby lib version (1.8.2) doesn't match executable version (1.8.5) (RuntimeError) snip: ...site_ruby/1.8/rubygems 'require' messages ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/ruby18/work/ruby-1.8.5. I notice that libruby18-static.a exists in 2 places: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1240338 Sep 30 2005 /usr/local/lib/libruby18-static -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1265402 Sep 10 21:11 /usr/ports/lang/ruby18/work/ruby-1.8.5/libruby18-static.a Seems like somehow I could use the latter newer version but I don't know how to configure for this when using make in the ports. Or maybe there is a better way. Couldn't find applicable suggestions using google or the search feature for this mailing list. Am not sure of good way to update ruby, any help so I understand how to manage this and potential other critical components like perl is appreciated. Thanks for suggestions. -- Gordon Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SnapShot Magic
On Sunday 10 September 2006 16:05, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: From man mount: Further details can be found in the file at /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.snapshot. Thanks Alex! While we are on the subject, is there an easy way of determining when a particular snapshot was created? The rotation of snapshots obscures their creation date, and snapshot list doesn't give a clue. TIA Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: atapicam trouble (me too)
Neither disabling atapicam nor atapicd works on my Core2Duo system. I don't know whether it's related to the new IDE controllers (JMicron 363 and Intel ICH8) or a similar problem to what you're reporting. The best I can do is about 3MB/s with atapicd and DMA disabled and also with atapicam. Both have problems reading files from a DVD, I end up getting READ_BIG errors from the kernel. Sure would like to be able to use this DVD drive in FreeBSD! :) Josh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Experience
In brief, the installation process is just awful. After multiple attempts on an admittedly older machine (Pentium II 266Mhz, 256KB ram, 30GB hard drive, S3 Virge graphics card), I was able to get the FreeBSD OS installed, but could not configure Gnome or KDE properly. The documentation is sketchy at best. I had to learn about X11, Xorg, XFree86, and all of the gory history of X before I could even begin to use ee and know to edit the /etc/rc.conf file. The installation process did not recognize my graphics card or Ethernet connection, and all I could get was a crude 600x800 display. And DesktopBSD was even worse. The Handbook is excellent at walking through much of the setup. Although, in cases similar to yours I always recommend starting with the article designed for people new to both FreeBSD and Unix. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users/index.html This gets you started on all the basics you'll need to know to get everything else under control and is short enough that you don't feel compelled to jump around and possibly miss stuff. It doesn't cover X setup but gets you comfortable working in the command line which is what you're going to need to be proficient at until you have X configured. X is usually fairly easy to setup but you need to know how to move around. Conversely, FreeBSD took me multiple days and has still left me bewildered. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I feel that FreeBSD will never achieve broader acceptance (even with momentum building for alternative OS) among people with modest technical proficiency and fairly simple requirements (i.e., spreadsheets, word processing, presentations, email). FreeBSD has an awful out of the box experience. It's too bad, because I think FreeBSD is probably a better OS, but I'll never really know. Regards, FreeBSD has an excellent out of the box experience, for the majority of people who use it. The best out of the box experience (for most BSD users) is a base system which is configured to be used well enough to set it up for whatever use you intend for it. Even moving to it completely new, it's not bad if you take the time to learn it. Moving to a different OS isn't something you should take lightly. There's a reason people are encouraged to read all the documentation they can before starting. With that said, the installation does require administrative ability. But since it's your machine, you will eventually need that. Huge learning curve right at the front but it's very gentle after that. My step-mother (who can't manage to understand why programs people send her don't run -- yes they're windows viruses -- and only knows her web-browser because it's the globe icon) manages to use FreeBSD without issue. She absolutely loves it and does everything you listed as simple requirements and more. But I set it up for her because she wasn't up for the learning curve. If you're of modest-technical ability and have a desire to learn the OS, it's not very difficult to overcome that curve. But the curve does exist. Anyway, when you're stuck, posting specific questions about your problems here (or trying google) is usually a lot more productive than giving up and sending an email about how it doesn't work to the help list. -Kevin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bsdnews or daemonnews ... ?
does anyone know what's going on with those? trying to access both all night and nadda ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bsdnews or daemonnews ... ?
I've forwarded this to Chris Coleman and Mikel King who run the site... On 9/11/06, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone know what's going on with those? trying to access both all night and nadda ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org ) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# fortune Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: atapicam trouble ()
At Sun, 10 Sep 2006 it looks like Josh Carroll composed: Neither disabling atapicam nor atapicd works on my Core2Duo system. I don't know whether it's related to the new IDE controllers (JMicron 363 and Intel ICH8) or a similar problem to what you're reporting. The best I can do is about 3MB/s with atapicd and DMA disabled and also with atapicam. Both have problems reading files from a DVD, I end up getting READ_BIG errors from the kernel. Sure would like to be able to use this DVD drive in FreeBSD! :) Josh ahh, took a break and using the drive to test a Solaris-10 install, been years since I tried this... had to go find an old Intel nic just to get networking up... I'm a glutten for punishment! Then I forgot to copy /etc/nsswitch.dns on top of /etc/nsswitch.conf and for the life of me could not get OUT on to the Internet... (giggle) If that atapicam attempt on my part did not blow Xorg out of the water and leave me at 800x600 I'd never be painfully beating myself with Solaris-10 now! Downloaded pkg-get so things are bearable! (grin) -- Bill Schoolcraft * http://wiliweld.com * If you turn your headlights on while going the speed of light, does anything happen? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
