Re: ath0 + wpa/wpa2 + apple airport extreme = no joy.
Hi,
Please try -9 on your Soekris. :-)
Adrian
On 19 December 2012 15:32, Christopher Sean Hilton ch...@vindaloo.com wrote:
I posted on a similar subject last year but in the end it turned out
to be irrelevant. I'm trying to get the combination of:
a Soekris Net4511,
FreeBSD 8-STABLE from Dec 2011,
an Atheros AR5BMB-44 wifi interface (identified as AR5212 in dmesg),
an Apple Airport Extreme (about 2010 vintage) with WPA/WPA2 security,
to all play nicely. To start with I plan to look at the change logs
for the wpa_supplicant suite to see if there were changes from last
December to now. I will probably just upgrade this box to a later
vintage of 8-STABLE. Still, hit me with a cluebat if this problem got
fixed between December, 2011 and now.
Anyhow, no matter what I've done, the result is the same:
The atheros/wlan combo associates to my wireless network;
The dhcp client on the soekris sends a request to the dhcp
server. The dhcp server receives the negotiation and tries to
offer a lease but the soekris never receives a reply;
I've confirmed this by running tcpdump on the dhcp server where I've
seen the requests arrive with the atheros' mac address and I've seen
the replies go back out of the dhcp server but either the atheros
isn't listening or the Airport Extreme isn't forwarding the traffic. I
haven't sniffed the wifi to see if the Airport Extreme just isn't
forwarding the reply or if the atheros isn't receiving it properly.
I can convince this combination of hardware to work if I change the
network security on the airport extreme from WPA/WPA2 to None.
The configuration that I feel should make the atheros work with the
Airport Extreme works just fine with my 2010 vintage Airport
Express. The Express and the Extreme are basically creating the same
network. The Extreme is on 2.4GHz channel 11, the Express on 2.4GHz 1.
The reason I have both so you are always near an access point.
I can get the atheros to work with WPA2 on my Mifi 4082.
As a new data point, the combination of an Intel 2200bg + WPA works
with the Airport Extreme.
I've posted my configs after my signature if you want to look and I
can provide more information if you need it.
My hope in posting this is to try and figure out what's up with the
atheros or the Airport Extreme that it isn't working in this
configuration. If anyone has an atheros card working with WPA/WPA2 and
an Apple Airport Extreme I'd love any assistance you'd be willing to
give me with the configuration.
Thanks for any help you can provide.
--
-- Chris
There will be an answer, Let it be.
e: chris -at- vindaloo -dot- com
This is the hacked /etc/rc.conf to work with the Intel card:
...
wpa_supplicant_enable=YES
## wlans_ath0=wlan0
wlans_iwi0=wlan0
ifconfig_wlan0=WPA DHCP
...
Here's my abridged /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf:
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=0
## Airport Extreme
network={
ssid=FooBarBaz
bssid=f8:1e:df:xx:xx:xx
psk=
proto=RSN
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=CCMP TKIP
group=CCMP TKIP
priority=12
}
## Airport Express
network={
ssid=FooBarBaz
bssid=00:1f:f3:xx:xx:xx
psk=
proto=RSN
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=CCMP TKIP
group=CCMP TKIP
priority=10
}
## Mifi 4082
network={
ssid=FooBarBaz-Mobile
psk=
priority=0
}
Finally, here's the result of ifconfig on wlan0/iwi0 associated and
working with the Airport Extreme:
ryloth chris $ ifconfig iwi0
iwi0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu
2290
ether 00:15:00:xx:xx:xx
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g
status: associated
ryloth chris $ ifconfig wlan0
wlan0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu
1500
ether 00:15:00:xx:xx:xx
inet 10.59.145.87 netmask 0xfe00 broadcast 10.59.145.255
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g
status: associated
ssid FooBarBaz channel 11 (2462 MHz 11g) bssid f8:1e:df:xx:xx:xx
country US authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF
TKIP 3:128-bit txpower 0 bmiss 24 scanvalid 60 protmode CTS wme
roaming MANUAL
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ath0 + wpa/wpa2 + apple airport extreme = no joy.
I posted on a similar subject last year but in the end it turned out
to be irrelevant. I'm trying to get the combination of:
a Soekris Net4511,
FreeBSD 8-STABLE from Dec 2011,
an Atheros AR5BMB-44 wifi interface (identified as AR5212 in dmesg),
an Apple Airport Extreme (about 2010 vintage) with WPA/WPA2 security,
to all play nicely. To start with I plan to look at the change logs
for the wpa_supplicant suite to see if there were changes from last
December to now. I will probably just upgrade this box to a later
vintage of 8-STABLE. Still, hit me with a cluebat if this problem got
fixed between December, 2011 and now.
Anyhow, no matter what I've done, the result is the same:
The atheros/wlan combo associates to my wireless network;
The dhcp client on the soekris sends a request to the dhcp
server. The dhcp server receives the negotiation and tries to
offer a lease but the soekris never receives a reply;
I've confirmed this by running tcpdump on the dhcp server where I've
seen the requests arrive with the atheros' mac address and I've seen
the replies go back out of the dhcp server but either the atheros
isn't listening or the Airport Extreme isn't forwarding the traffic. I
haven't sniffed the wifi to see if the Airport Extreme just isn't
forwarding the reply or if the atheros isn't receiving it properly.
I can convince this combination of hardware to work if I change the
network security on the airport extreme from WPA/WPA2 to None.
The configuration that I feel should make the atheros work with the
Airport Extreme works just fine with my 2010 vintage Airport
Express. The Express and the Extreme are basically creating the same
network. The Extreme is on 2.4GHz channel 11, the Express on 2.4GHz 1.
The reason I have both so you are always near an access point.
I can get the atheros to work with WPA2 on my Mifi 4082.
As a new data point, the combination of an Intel 2200bg + WPA works
with the Airport Extreme.
I've posted my configs after my signature if you want to look and I
can provide more information if you need it.
My hope in posting this is to try and figure out what's up with the
atheros or the Airport Extreme that it isn't working in this
configuration. If anyone has an atheros card working with WPA/WPA2 and
an Apple Airport Extreme I'd love any assistance you'd be willing to
give me with the configuration.
Thanks for any help you can provide.
--
-- Chris
There will be an answer, Let it be.
e: chris -at- vindaloo -dot- com
This is the hacked /etc/rc.conf to work with the Intel card:
...
wpa_supplicant_enable=YES
## wlans_ath0=wlan0
wlans_iwi0=wlan0
ifconfig_wlan0=WPA DHCP
...
Here's my abridged /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf:
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=0
## Airport Extreme
network={
ssid=FooBarBaz
bssid=f8:1e:df:xx:xx:xx
psk=
proto=RSN
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=CCMP TKIP
group=CCMP TKIP
priority=12
}
## Airport Express
network={
ssid=FooBarBaz
bssid=00:1f:f3:xx:xx:xx
psk=
proto=RSN
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=CCMP TKIP
group=CCMP TKIP
priority=10
}
## Mifi 4082
network={
ssid=FooBarBaz-Mobile
psk=
priority=0
}
Finally, here's the result of ifconfig on wlan0/iwi0 associated and
working with the Airport Extreme:
ryloth chris $ ifconfig iwi0
iwi0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 2290
ether 00:15:00:xx:xx:xx
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g
status: associated
ryloth chris $ ifconfig wlan0
wlan0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500
ether 00:15:00:xx:xx:xx
inet 10.59.145.87 netmask 0xfe00 broadcast 10.59.145.255
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g
status: associated
ssid FooBarBaz channel 11 (2462 MHz 11g) bssid f8:1e:df:xx:xx:xx
country US authmode WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF
TKIP 3:128-bit txpower 0 bmiss 24 scanvalid 60 protmode CTS wme
roaming MANUAL
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Apple Aluminium Keyboard (w/ numpad) woe
Hi all, has anyone got any pointers for why my Apple (A1243) wired USB keyboard (with numpad, gb/uk model) doesn't want to report F13 (and some other keys). This is on 9.0, though it was the same on 8, 7, and IIRC, 6. It's clear that the ukbd driver sees the key presses (see below), but I can't seem to get them to be recognised by syscons. (Even with a syscons keymap where all the NUL's have become '*') With ukbd debug via the sysctl I see the following, so clearly ukbd gets the keys (this output is from pressing, Return, F13, F14, F15) ... but why doesn't syscons get the keys ? Aug 9 23:41:09 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x28 (40) pressed Aug 9 23:41:09 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:09 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x Aug 9 23:41:09 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x428 (1064) released Aug 9 23:41:10 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:10 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x Aug 9 23:41:10 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: [0] = 0x28 Aug 9 23:41:10 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x28 (40) pressed Aug 9 23:41:11 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:11 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x Aug 9 23:41:11 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x428 (1064) released Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: [0] = 0x68 Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x68 (104) pressed Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x468 (1128) released Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: [0] = 0x69 Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x69 (105) pressed Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x469 (1129) released Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: [0] = 0x6a Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x6a (106) pressed Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x46a (1130) released Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0001 Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0xe0 (224) pressed Thanks very much, and apologies if there's a known answer, it's not something I've managed to find yet if it is. Steve Roome P.S. I'm hoping for an obvious hint or flag somewhere to set, but I'm open to doing a bit of code if that's the only way. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple Aluminium Keyboard (w/ numpad) woe
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 00:10:46 +0100, Steve Roome wrote: Hi all, has anyone got any pointers for why my Apple (A1243) wired USB keyboard (with numpad, gb/uk model) doesn't want to report F13 (and some other keys). Seems to be related not only to this model. I have the old version here (white plastic, german layout), and F13-F16 and the four keys on the top right don't seem to generate anything. I've checked both text mode and xev (in X) - and made almost the same observations as you did. I don't have that kind of strange behaviour with other multifunctional keyboards (Sun type 6 and 7, german layout). Thanks very much, and apologies if there's a known answer, it's not something I've managed to find yet if it is. Sorry, no solution here, only confirmation... :-( -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ath0 + wlan0 + spa + Apple Airport Extreme = No Joy
On 11/12/2011 19:31, Christopher Hilton wrote:
Good day,
I'm trying to get FreeBSD going on a soekris box with an atheros based D-Link
PCI wifi card. I intend to use this combination to bridge a difficult network
back to ethernet but right now I'm just trying to get the soekris associated
to the network. The network is managed by an Apple Airport Extreme. Note that
this combination connects just fine to my MiFi 4082. I only have a problem
connecting to the Airport.
The soekris box is running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE built from source about
11/15/2011.
I have this in my /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf:
network={
ssid=Vindaloo
psk=
}
network={
ssid=Vindaloo-Mobile
psk=**
}
If I read the wireless setup document right I need this in my /etc/rc.conf:
wlans_ath0=wlan0
ifconfig_wlan0=ssid Vindaloo WPA DHCP
This box appears to associate with the network just fine but then it doesn't
receive anything except broadcast traffic.
If you then manually run
dhclient wlan0
once its booted and associated do you get a DHCP address?
Vince
Chris Hilton e: chris /at/ vindaloo /dot/ com
All I was doing was trying to get home from work!
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ath0 + wlan0 + spa + Apple Airport Extreme = No Joy
Good day,
I'm trying to get FreeBSD going on a soekris box with an atheros based D-Link
PCI wifi card. I intend to use this combination to bridge a difficult network
back to ethernet but right now I'm just trying to get the soekris associated to
the network. The network is managed by an Apple Airport Extreme. Note that this
combination connects just fine to my MiFi 4082. I only have a problem
connecting to the Airport.
The soekris box is running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE built from source about
11/15/2011.
I have this in my /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf:
network={
ssid=Vindaloo
psk=
}
network={
ssid=Vindaloo-Mobile
psk=**
}
If I read the wireless setup document right I need this in my /etc/rc.conf:
wlans_ath0=wlan0
ifconfig_wlan0=ssid Vindaloo WPA DHCP
This box appears to associate with the network just fine but then it doesn't
receive anything except broadcast traffic.
Chris Hilton e: chris /at/ vindaloo /dot/ com
All I was doing was trying to get home from work!
-- Rosa Parks
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Re: Trouble with LDAP-authentication to Apple Open Directory
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anyone? If this is not the right place to ask, can someone please point me in the right direction? Best regards, Aleksander Steffensen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN5BzbAAoJELxlbnDhBkKId8AIAKT0xR10dHOovyjSDCeoi5OA alAmkOY3lDk9Xa7k8I63VU4X80xvO/NjiHbRUPYFNmYCKMbAMJgnLnm5cQRiT6o0 xMJmMUX56NAmejxHl4k60DwMhb749WPF3FzUsWmR5nmZrK2Elk8yw8vDqn/Uqp0P 542oD6G9UfyDr6y1QOaRgaluJiGj/KliXw9pSPlAHQZQaNMUByk2u3ENjaMdnUR5 pDdXYmlnoV7UX2V8yB1JXb6VJWHinOOlufN9CcjDb8aKb4Q/6LYUCfdhuFDekMXB hNPq7Xn8Nk2RysU0E1nvQA1s2+j8llyM0KLm+w9/du4J5vkX2aGBy5uvMhqEtxA= =WYUb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Trouble with LDAP-authentication to Apple Open Directory
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello! Yesterday I finally managed to get my FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE box to actually authenticate to the Xserve, running Open Directory on Mac OS X 10.5 Server. I was able to log in to the FreeBSD box (egil.kreativsone.no) as a directory user via SSH and also via netatalk. Unfortunately, after a while, it stopped working. I can't remember doing anything at all... As far as I know, I made no changes in the configuration neither on the Xserve nor on the FreeBSD box. This is what happens when I try to log in via SSH. mp-aleks:~ aleksander$ ssh aleks...@egil.kreativsone.no Password: aleks...@egil.kreativsone.no's password: Connection closed by 192.168.3.6 Notice that I enter the password once, and then it asks for the password once more, but it won't accept the password. Here is the auth.log on egil.kreativsone.no: May 26 13:18:24 egil sshd[5347]: error: PAM: user account has expired for alekstef from 192.168.3.16 May 26 13:18:28 egil sshd[5347]: Failed password for alekstef from 192.168.3.16 port 62114 ssh2 I know for a fact that the user account is not expired in Open Directory. I have also checked the logs on the Xserve, but can't find anything relevant to the problem, so I assume the problem is on the FreeBSD-box. Here's the part of my nss_ldap.conf file on egil.kreativsone.no, that is not commented out. Everything else is the default: host jangunnar.kreativsone.no base dc=jangunnar,dc=kreativsone,dc=no ldap_version 3 port 389 scope one bind_policy soft pam_filter objectclass=posixAccount pam_login_attribute uid pam_groupdn cn=lagring,cn=groups,dc=jangunnar,dc=kreativsone,dc=no pam_member_attribute memberUid pam_password crypt nss_base_passwd cn=users,dc=jangunnar,dc=kreativsone,dc=no?one nss_base_shadow cn=users,dc=jangunnar,dc=kreativsone,dc=no?one nss_base_group cn=groups,dc=jangunnar,dc=kreativsone,dc=no?one ssl off I tried commenting out the pam_groupdn and pam_member_attributes with no success. I was hoping to restrict login to to the group lagring, but it didn't seem to work. /etc/pam.d/sshd: authsufficient pam_opie.so no_warn no_fake_prompts authrequisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn allow_local authsufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn authrequiredpam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass # account account requiredpam_nologin.so account requiredpam_login_access.so account required/usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn ignore_authinfo_unavail ignore_unknown_user account requiredpam_unix.so # session session requiredpam_permit.so # password passwordrequiredpam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass /etc/pam.d/netatalk authsufficient /usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn authinclude system account include system passwordinclude system session include system account required/usr/local/lib/pam_ldap.so no_warn ignore_authinfo_unavail ignore_unknown_user I really need to get this working again. Any help is highly appreciated. Please ask if you need more information. Thanks! Best regards, Aleksander Steffensen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN3j4xAAoJELxlbnDhBkKI7jEIAJqUquhmHVO4IDiTBXRERTIR qjv1zsWpUg1d/gps222hKxypN6NqIWDhSvZmRu2BWTgPek6nKjxOmlui4ZsMhhKS uU9jUDghQMijeXPNSxx6eUMb0b0FQ43UJaJQR/vK3ogpDq01SCAzYUAA5/N+vqME VSG1YxZDcCV+lbIYWZF8/IJLPVqr0BEeUgWNvWXSLqRBlXebNmbGl5dbL3MCnI9D JkLbpTeKcVjpaot6fgtkLt03Jk72l+MkpVbKABnb8fHOUBLXRkgHOC0VPIrSQ37X iYwvGQsSs8iHTCRyMUtLuJHrN8o2qCxZ7zatp3Pj15UlSpGFDDZkvWY10WfCmjw= =y51P -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Trouble with LDAP-authentication to Apple Open Directory
Hello! Yesterday I finally managed to get my FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE box to actually authenticate to the Xserve, running Open Directory on Mac OS X 10.5 Server. I was able to log in to the FreeBSD box (egil.kreativsone.no) as a directory user via SSH and also via netatalk. Unfortunately, after a while, it stopped working. I can't remember doing anything at all... As far as I know, I made no changes in the configuration neither on the Xserve nor on the FreeBSD box. This is what happens when I try to log in via SSH. Are the two units timesync'd to the same time server? If the BSD box drifts out to the X-Server then Kerberos will fail... Marci ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Trouble with LDAP-authentication to Apple Open Directory
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 They were not, but I synced them both to the same time server. I don't use Kerberos anyways, I use nss_ldap, so it didn't work. Best regards, Aleksander Steffensen Den 26. mai 2011 kl. 14.42 skrev mcoyles: Hello! Yesterday I finally managed to get my FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE box to actually authenticate to the Xserve, running Open Directory on Mac OS X 10.5 Server. I was able to log in to the FreeBSD box (egil.kreativsone.no) as a directory user via SSH and also via netatalk. Unfortunately, after a while, it stopped working. I can't remember doing anything at all... As far as I know, I made no changes in the configuration neither on the Xserve nor on the FreeBSD box. This is what happens when I try to log in via SSH. Are the two units timesync'd to the same time server? If the BSD box drifts out to the X-Server then Kerberos will fail... Marci ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN3mVlAAoJELxlbnDhBkKI6r8IALI/P5p9RP1GrFb4mZgBcokz O2oBOarQGcRFF4hWySfgs+doin0ZGIh8OeyPgMtNK+Ci3A7ek8LdXlm5isrjgCMt HWYkP40whLnOHHIh+GJ3OrFSslkJuytmtTpwwqO5VAfXg1Ft0E+kQmBZrHNVVvuy fwXGMT5NjhzZ5lgXZwGLOoTXd2hpRgXFUK492pJGAYSk6HFMFIdi9SGZuYJQ9W1j l+GUYBZlnovfoQDvXB3zBqOD9bBuxPb0mLRg2+djOh5/qo+WPlFeV/pds45s24v8 cYf+JCeB6wmGbT1HFR5mGlZmW6/clKKQTTVaKUGWYdiPxMeWYv54I7IrR85KyMI= =3DaI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On 3/9/11 8:57 PM, mikel king mikel.k...@olivent.com wrote: In recent years their marketing as gone to some lengths to scrub the references to BSD UNIX from the brochures. It's like they are ashamed of their roots, again personally I think they hired some new anti-geeks that just don't get it. i think it's deeper than that. they know what they are doing. back at the beginning, os x was great. finally a decent, user-friendly gui on top of a decent unix-like thing, which, oh joy, felt like bsd. for years, apple improved os x and did some oss work. e.g. webkit is decent stuff. life was good. ms word in this window, terminal in that one, mysql, perl, then the iphone and the disaster of not having an sdk ready (other than mobile safari) happened. they wised up and everything changed. with ios apple has a strategy to get away from all that openness. they are steering developers away from the web and portable web apps. so they are backpedaling on safari and os x as best they can. if they can dominate in mobile hardware for a while longer they may achieve some serious api lock-in. then we will be in trouble. it is the same strategy ms used after they won the browser war with netscape -- they backpedaled on IE, got very deep windows api lock in, and made a load of money. it's been a curious inversion. 10 years ago, in terms of how scared i am, i'd have ranked ms, apple and google with ms at the top and both apple and google as not very scary. now i am terrified of google, very scared of apple and i hardly even think about ms. so i think the change is very canny and comes from the top, not from some anti-geeks that don't get it. and as far as investing in corporate stock is concerned, oss virtue (like environmental virtue or sweat shop virtue) is just so much marketing blather. a corporation's responsibility is to make money for its investors. business ethics is and always will be purely utilitarian. apple has good marketing but don't kid yourself. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
Hi questions@, Original question from Nerius Landys nlan...@gmail.com : Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? Apple has always enjoyed its dedicated customer base. (Many computer companies have liked to keep users locked, eg Burroughs Algol extensions limiting emigration, IBM PC hardware patents on hardware clones, Microsoft its tricks, Sun Java being logged, licensed not anonymous ftp, mobile phones locked to providers, etc). Apple have used BSD, employed some BSD people, contributed to whatever, But ... Considering an Apple PDA, I asked questions of an Apple enthusiast ~ 3 months back eg: I'd like to code on FreeBSD, mabe cross compile, or just vi on FreeBSD then rdist / rsync or nfs + amd mount to my [maybe Apple] slim device, have ssh rlogin csh/ bash gcc bsd-make, etc on the slim device, share screens under X etc ... is that possible, free easy ? Answer received: No, You'd need an Apple with OS cracks that voids the warranty Didn't seem so BSD friendly to me. Disclaimer/Disclosure: I have no past, present, direct, indirect, employment, trade, investment, with Apple or [PDA etc] competitors. - Aside, On Disclaimers:: Chuck Swiger wrote: Hi-- #include std/disclaimer.h It wouldn't be considered appropriate for Apple employees or contractors (well, outside of the folks working in investor relations, perhaps) to try to persuade someone to invest in a particular company because of which open source projects Apple might be contributing towards. In another context, someone from Apple who was familiar with those contributions might be free to discuss them, but they would generally be expected to not identify their affiliation with Apple to avoid unduly influencing other people or creating a real or perceived conflict of interest. To not declare affiliation for fear it might tilt perception of recipient, would be misguided. A disclaimer such as I work for XYZ. I do not speak for XYZ. would suffice. One declares affiliations to be fair to recipients safeguard oneself. Recipients are informed, can draw their own conclusions, not roast one for undeclared interest :-). Examples: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/about/how-ofcom-is-run/ofcom-board-2/policy-on-conflicts-of-interest/ Section 6: PROVIDED .. there is full transparency about any such interests. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld/ldcond/code.pdf P3 a full list of Members' financial and other interests is published in the Register of Lords' Interests. Probably more here etc: http://www.transparency.org/ http://ethics.senate.gov/fd.htm Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. Reply below text sections not at top, to avoid breaking cumulative context. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, March 10, 2011 8:51 am, Tom Worster wrote: i think it's deeper than that. they know what they are doing. back at the beginning, os x was great. finally a decent, user-friendly gui on top of a decent unix-like thing, which, oh joy, felt like bsd. for years, apple improved os x and did some oss work. e.g. webkit is decent stuff. life was good. ms word in this window, terminal in that one, mysql, perl, then the iphone and the disaster of not having an sdk ready (other than mobile safari) happened. they wised up and everything changed. with ios apple has a strategy to get away from all that openness. they are steering developers away from the web and portable web apps. so they are backpedaling on safari and os x as best they can. if they can dominate in mobile hardware for a while longer they may achieve some serious api lock-in. then we will be in trouble. it is the same strategy ms used after they won the browser war with netscape -- they backpedaled on IE, got very deep windows api lock in, and made a load of money. There's another business reason for it as well, I think: When OS X first came out, Apple was a serious underdog. Nearly out of the game entirely, really. That openness helped them by lowering the cost-to-entry of products, and bringing in any product that already supported the standards. Building on open-source technologies also meant they could pick up something that was pre-written, and well-tested. So they got goodwill, a cheap product, and support from third-parties. All of which were vitally important to a company that was battling for it's life against Microsoft. Now they have recovered, and are a solid contender on the desktop on their own, as well as being the undisputed leader in mobile computing. (iPhone/iPad level mobile, though even their laptops have a greater marketshare than their desktops do.) The only one of those reasons that still really applies is goodwill: They already have their product, and third-parties will always try to support the dominant force in the market. (Because that's where their customers are.) Openness in many ways is now a threat: It means that someone who can create a new system that supports the open standards can grab all of Apple's customers easily. Proprietary lock-in is a better bet, as it means that the customers they have will be less likely to leave. It becomes a pain for them to transfer their stuff out of the proprietary ecosystem. This is actually a typical cycle, both in the industry and for Apple itself. The Apple II series was fairly open, and the Mac series was more closed and closed off further until Apple realized they'd gotten themselves in a bad position. Then they opened up again with OS X. To me, at least, it was fully expected. Apple produces awesome, open products, when they have less than 40% or so marketshare. (Extremely random number there.) Above that level of marketshare, their products are usually awesome, but closed, and the awesomeness may or may not be something you use/want. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu 10 Mar 2011 at 05:51:06 PST Tom Worster wrote: and as far as investing in corporate stock is concerned, oss virtue (like environmental virtue or sweat shop virtue) is just so much marketing blather. a corporation's responsibility is to make money for its investors. business ethics is and always will be purely utilitarian. apple has good marketing but don't kid yourself. Unless you're buying newly-minted stock, you aren't giving any money to Apple when you buy shares of AAPL. You're giving money to some other person, who bought the shares a while ago and now wants to cash in. In turn, he might have bought them from another investor. In many cases, you have to go a long way back, sometimes all the way to the IPO, before the money goes to the company. They get money when they issue stock, not when it's traded. What you're doing when you buy stock -- especially stock that pays little or no dividends -- is placing a bet that sometime in the future you'll be able to find someone willing to buy it from you at a higher price than you paid. Moreover, the price of most stocks is determined solely by what people are willing to pay for them. Forget all that noise about sales forecasts, P/E, etc. There is no direct, causal connection between those fundamentals and the stock price. They're as pertinent as a baseball player's batting average is to the price of the bubblegum card with his picture on it. You're trading collectibles, and they're subject to the whims of fashion. In summary, I agree with what has been said about contributing to the FreeBSD Foundation if you really want to help the project. It's a much better use of your money. But if you'd rather trade baseball cards, no one's stopping you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:31:32 -0600, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. Apple took over the CUPS project. They didn't write it. They're improving it a lot with every major OSX release, so I'm not sure why you're so upset. Apple is the company that is convincing HP, Brother, Lexmark, etc to agree on a common interface for printing, scanning, faxing, etc. They're doing a lot of good in the printing world. Regards, Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:36:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship Aside, On Disclaimers:: Chuck Swiger wrote: Hi-- #include std/disclaimer.h It wouldn't be considered appropriate for Apple employees or contractors (well, outside of the folks working in investor relations, perhaps) to try to persuade someone to invest in a particular company because of which open source projects Apple might be contributing towards. In another context, someone from Apple who was familiar with those contributions might be free to discuss them, but they would generally be expected to not identify their affiliation with Apple to avoid unduly influencing other people or creating a real or perceived conflict of interest. To not declare affiliation for fear it might tilt perception of recipient, would be misguided. A disclaimer such as I work for XYZ. I do not speak for XYZ. would suffice. One declares affiliations to be fair to recipients safeguard oneself. Recipients are informed, can draw their own conclusions, not roast one for undeclared interest :-). Examples: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/about/how-ofcom-is-run/ofcom-board-2/policy-on-c onflicts-of-interest/ Section 6: PROVIDED .. there is full transparency about any such interests. Sorry, Julian, but Chuck had it _legally_ correctly, for the U.S.A.. As soon as someone so much as mentions 'investing' in a company, a whole bunch of rather draconian laws kick in about the offering of investment advice by someone affiliated with the investment entity. This has become very much of a 'hot button' issue in recent years, with a lot of new, *very*strict* laws being enacted, in part because of some of the recent major investment scandals, like Enron, AIG, etc.. Secondly, there is a matter of the 'company policy' of his employer with regard to employees giving 'investment advice' -- even if it is 'on their own time' -- about the company. Even if it isn't against the law, it could easily get him fired, instantly. Almost all publicly held companies (at least in the USA) have an 'investor relations' department, and those are the _only_ employees, other than the CEO, who are authorized give out investment-related information. Further, everything they _do_ give out has been (a) approved by senior management, and (b) 'vetted' by the legal department. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Wed 09 Mar 2011 at 14:00:37 PST Nerius Landys wrote: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? If memory serves, they've been heavily involved in the LLVM/Clang project. That said, see my other reply today about what buying stock is really all about. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:39:04 -0800 Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net articulated: On Thu 10 Mar 2011 at 05:51:06 PST Tom Worster wrote: and as far as investing in corporate stock is concerned, oss virtue (like environmental virtue or sweat shop virtue) is just so much marketing blather. a corporation's responsibility is to make money for its investors. business ethics is and always will be purely utilitarian. apple has good marketing but don't kid yourself. Unless you're buying newly-minted stock, you aren't giving any money to Apple when you buy shares of AAPL. You're giving money to some other person, who bought the shares a while ago and now wants to cash in. In turn, he might have bought them from another investor. In many cases, you have to go a long way back, sometimes all the way to the IPO, before the money goes to the company. They get money when they issue stock, not when it's traded. What you're doing when you buy stock -- especially stock that pays little or no dividends -- is placing a bet that sometime in the future you'll be able to find someone willing to buy it from you at a higher price than you paid. Moreover, the price of most stocks is determined solely by what people are willing to pay for them. Forget all that noise about sales forecasts, P/E, etc. There is no direct, causal connection between those fundamentals and the stock price. They're as pertinent as a baseball player's batting average is to the price of the bubblegum card with his picture on it. You're trading collectibles, and they're subject to the whims of fashion. In summary, I agree with what has been said about contributing to the FreeBSD Foundation if you really want to help the project. It's a much better use of your money. But if you'd rather trade baseball cards, no one's stopping you. Actually, if the individual buys stock, and there are different types, the purchaser has a possibility of making a profit on his investment. If the stock loses money, there is a real possibility of a tax write off. However, if he donates it to a properly certified organization for a tax write off, then that is all that they will ever receive. If the investor has no use for his money other than creating a tax write off, then that is fine. Of course, we have to keep in mind that the OP did not disclose a specific figure for his investment nor his income bracket, so everything is basically speculation as to what monetary help investing or donating would have on his financial health. He would probably be well advise to see a professional tax consultant prior to following either avenue. Personally, I donate to the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. I find donating money to help find a cure for a disease or aid those that have all ready contracted it far more satisfying that giving it away to a foundation in the hopes that someday, perhaps they will write a functioning driver for a wireless N device. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ It is always the best policy to tell the truth, unless, of course, you are an exceptionally good liar. Jerome K. Jerome ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:31:32 -0600, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. Apple took over the CUPS project. They didn't write it. They're improving it a lot with every major OSX release, so I'm not sure why you're so upset. I think a lot of the hate for CUPS here is NIH syndrome. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
David Brodbeck writes: Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. Apple took over the CUPS project. They didn't write it. They're improving it a lot with every major OSX release, so I'm not sure why you're so upset. I think a lot of the hate for CUPS here is NIH syndrome. In my case, the hate is caused by the difficulty in configuration and trouble-shooting (and of course the related documentation mega-fail). Beyond that, it seems to work as advertised. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:53:47 -0800 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us articulated: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote: On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:31:32 -0600, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. Apple took over the CUPS project. They didn't write it. They're improving it a lot with every major OSX release, so I'm not sure why you're so upset. I think a lot of the hate for CUPS here is NIH syndrome. Seriously, it goes way, way beyond CUPS. Just look at the debauchery regarding a HAL replacement. Instead of the different distros creating a uniform replacement, they are each intent on reinventing the wheel with their own implementation. In the end, nobody gains and the status quo per se remains as fragmented as ever. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ It is always the best policy to tell the truth, unless, of course, you are an exceptionally good liar. Jerome K. Jerome ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu 10 Mar 2011 at 10:48:05 PST Jerry wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:39:04 -0800 Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net articulated: On Thu 10 Mar 2011 at 05:51:06 PST Tom Worster wrote: and as far as investing in corporate stock is concerned, oss virtue (like environmental virtue or sweat shop virtue) is just so much marketing blather. a corporation's responsibility is to make money for its investors. business ethics is and always will be purely utilitarian. apple has good marketing but don't kid yourself. Unless you're buying newly-minted stock, you aren't giving any money to Apple when you buy shares of AAPL. You're giving money to some other person, who bought the shares a while ago and now wants to cash in. In turn, he might have bought them from another investor. In many cases, you have to go a long way back, sometimes all the way to the IPO, before the money goes to the company. They get money when they issue stock, not when it's traded. What you're doing when you buy stock -- especially stock that pays little or no dividends -- is placing a bet that sometime in the future you'll be able to find someone willing to buy it from you at a higher price than you paid. Moreover, the price of most stocks is determined solely by what people are willing to pay for them. Forget all that noise about sales forecasts, P/E, etc. There is no direct, causal connection between those fundamentals and the stock price. They're as pertinent as a baseball player's batting average is to the price of the bubblegum card with his picture on it. You're trading collectibles, and they're subject to the whims of fashion. In summary, I agree with what has been said about contributing to the FreeBSD Foundation if you really want to help the project. It's a much better use of your money. But if you'd rather trade baseball cards, no one's stopping you. Actually, if the individual buys stock, and there are different types, the purchaser has a possibility of making a profit on his investment. I certainly wouldn't deny this. I said as much, when I talked about finding a buyer willing to pay more for the shares than you did. There are other ways to profit, as you've pointed out. I don't deny those either. My main point was that buying stock is usually an ineffective way to support a company that is doing something you like. At best, by bidding up the stock price, you increase the value of the portfolios held by the company's executives and board members. But whether they will interpret that increase in their wealth as a signal that they should do more of what you like is the big question. In Apple's case, I think they would be more likely to see it as a reason to do more of the proprietary and immensely profitable kind of things they've been doing with the iPhone. Giving the money to the FreeBSD Foundation sends a clearer signal about how you want it spent. Especially if you earmark it for a specific project. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.netwrote: Especially if you earmark it for a specific project. You can't do that via a donation to the FreeBSD Foundation, only offer a suggestion. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 01:48:05PM -0500, Jerry wrote: Personally, I donate to the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. I find donating money to help find a cure for a disease or aid those that have all ready contracted it far more satisfying that giving it away to a foundation in the hopes that someday, perhaps they will write a functioning driver for a wireless N device. On the other hand, as computing technology continues to advance at an accelerating rate, we will increasingly see such technology serving an ever-more important role in reasearch within innumerable fields, including cancer research. Consider an analogy that should be familiar with sysadmins everywhere: You need to do something two or three times a day. To accomplish this task, you make a change to a configuration file, then issue a command like /etc/rc.d/foo restart. There are three possible changes you might need to make to the configuration file. It'll take you about twenty seconds to make the change, and another three to five seconds to issue that command and wait for the service to restart. You could spend up to twenty-five seconds for all this to happen, or you could write a script that takes a single argument specifying which of three edits you want to apply to the config file and, after making that change, restarts the service in question. This entire process of writing the script takes about five minutes, plus three to five to run your new script. Five minutes and five seconds is a lot longer than twenty-five seconds. . . . but your sum total time spent on each subsequent occasion is only that five seconds. By spending four and a half minutes or so up front, you save yourself (conservatively estimating) about five minutes within three weeks. This is what automation buys us -- and automation is what computers provide . . . very *easy* automation. I've rambled on about this subject to some extent in another venue: Code Reuse and Technological Advancement http://blogstrapping.com/?page=2011.060.00.28.21 My point, though, is sipmle. Initial investment in something that is not direct work on a goal that is important to you can, if it helps to automate the tasks that *do* work directly toward that goal, is often the wisest investment toward that end. This is why we have admin scripts instead of doing everything by hand every time. It is also why, all else being equal, I prefer to invest in the advancement of computing technology rather than picking and choosing between other things that are important to me (including research in cancer and Alzheimer's medical fields). Just as the script in my hypothetical example above automates not one, but *three* different (but related) use cases, investing in computing technology provides greater research leverage in not one, but *many* other fields. More to the point, because of some of the realities of code reuse as described in the above-mentioned essay *Code Reuse and Technological Advancement*, I make a point of focusing my efforts on copyfree licensed software such as the (majority of) the FreeBSD project. Your mileage may vary. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpzzi3sLHFKc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 02:00:37PM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. A public company can't really have moral character. They are required to do whatever it takes to maximize profit for it's shareholders regardless of any moral considerations. Any ethical behaviour a public company may or may not display is determined by law and/or PR requirements. What I'm trying to say is that expecting a public company to be somehow inherently ethical or unethical is unreasonable (except Google and Facebook, of course, they're evil :D) Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? As far as I'm aware their free/open source software contributions are not strictly FreeBSD specific, but FreeBSD does benefit. Off the top of my head, there's the Grand Central Dispatch framework which got ported to FreeBSD, and the LLVM/Clang which will soon replace GCC as the system compiler in FreeBSD (both very cool stuff). I'd say that if your investment criterion is how much is company X giving back to the community, you could do a lot worse than Apple. Since you say you want to *invest* I won't try to persuade you to donate to the FreeBSD Foundation ;). -- No one should have to wait until after ten o'clock for his english muffin! -- Snoopy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On 3/10/11 2:39 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Charlie Kestercorky1...@comcast.netwrote: Especially if you earmark it for a specific project. You can't do that via a donation to the FreeBSD Foundation, only offer a suggestion. If the amount of money is large enough, I strongly suspect you could negotiate an exception to that -- --Jon Radel j...@radel.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
Sorry, Julian, but Chuck had it _legally_ correctly, for the U.S.A.. ... etc ... Thanks for the explanation Robert. Sad that people are not free to speak. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. Reply below text sections not at top, to avoid breaking cumulative context. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Apple FreeBSD relationship
This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? - Nerius ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
Quoth Nerius Landys on Wednesday, 09 March 2011: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? - Nerius ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Better yet, just send the money to the FreeBSD Foundation. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com pgpdDljrTcbqO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
You could donate directly to the FreeBSD foundation, I'm sure... :) Nerius Landys nlan...@gmail.com wrote: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? - Nerius ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
The core of apple's os is built on top of darwin which is composed of BSD and others http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) But everything you see in apple's os (that smooth UI) is not BSD, only the underlying core is. Better do some research of your own. On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.comwrote: Quoth Nerius Landys on Wednesday, 09 March 2011: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? - Nerius ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Better yet, just send the money to the FreeBSD Foundation. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com -- See my Google profile here http://www.google.com/profiles/sande.r.emie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Mar 9, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Nerius Landys wrote: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? There are some/a few/several people working at Apple that play or used to play a large role in FreeBSD. So they were basically paying these people's salaries for their day job which allowed them to be active in FreeBSD. Also, there is some code put-back I believe. Most of what Apple used from FreeBSD was the userland and the kernel interface so that the Darwin kernel could be used with FreeBSD userland utilities that affect the kernel etc.Mac OS X uses a totally different underlying kernel and architecture but made a FreeBSD like kernel interface in order to be able to use certain sets of FreeBSD stuff. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 02:00:37PM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. Don't invest your cash in a company that has reached it's peak and is on it's way down after it's charismatic leader dies sooner rather than later. 2nd biggest company by cap after Exxon?! Can you say overpriced? You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. They do also produce good stuff that is bsd licensed like GCD. But even if they produce magical pixie dust they're still overpriced. - Nerius Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html pgpDbpngnaqYm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
Guess that depends on how one calculates the price. - Milo Hyson Chief Scientist CyberLife Labs, Inc. On Mar 9, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 02:00:37PM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote: But even if they produce magical pixie dust they're still overpriced. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Frank Shute wrote: Don't invest your cash in a company that has reached it's peak and is on it's way down after it's charismatic leader dies sooner rather than later. They said that at $50/share. At $100. At $200. At $300. And continue to say it at $350. There are a lot of smart people at Apple who have had nothing better to do the past 10 years than to study and learn from Steve Jobs. I'm waiting for $500. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: There are some/a few/several people working at Apple that play or used to play a large role in FreeBSD. So they were basically paying these people's salaries for their day job which allowed them to be active in FreeBSD. Also, there is some code put-back I believe. Of particular note was the contributions of patches to fix NFS race conditions. Plus tools to stress and duplicate those conditions. Most of what Apple used from FreeBSD was the userland and the kernel interface so that the Darwin kernel could be used with FreeBSD userland utilities that affect the kernel etc.Mac OS X uses a totally different underlying kernel and architecture but made a FreeBSD like kernel interface in order to be able to use certain sets of FreeBSD stuff. Believe a number of FreeBSD drivers made it into MacOS X. Don't know of any Apple product which used Intel Etherexpress Pro chipsets but I popped a PCI card in a Mac one day and it magically worked as if it had always been there. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On 03/09/11 16:31, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 02:00:37PM -0800, Nerius Landys wrote: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. Don't invest your cash in a company that has reached it's peak and is on it's way down after it's charismatic leader dies sooner rather than later. 2nd biggest company by cap after Exxon?! Can you say overpriced? You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? Apple produces the clusterfuck that is CUPS, I believe. They do also produce good stuff that is bsd licensed like GCD. But even if they produce magical pixie dust they're still overpriced. - Nerius Regards, At US$591.77 and little product in sight, I'd say nerd paramour Google is overpriced too. They're *all* defacto overpriced once one takes into consideration the price is set in large part by the herd mentality. Perhaps fortunately, this works for the underpriced stocks too. The trick is telling which is which. Always has been, unless you're Goldman Sachs. Apple bought CUPS for something like 20 million at some point in the not too distant past. It works great for me with an HP3600n and an HP laserjet4 but, if not for the 3600, I'd be on lpd again in a heartbeat. If you think CUPS is a clusterfuck now you should check out the sundry linux lists pre-sale date. The noobs were tearing their hair out. It's come a long way. The OP can invest where they'd like but like others I'd recommend a small gift to the FreeBSD Foundation. I make one every year at tax time. Feels good... Regards, r ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
On Mar 10, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Nerius Landys wrote: This is not a technical question. Basically I have some cash sitting around. I'm thinking of investing part of it with a company that I believe in. Apple came to mind. You could say that I'd like to judge Apple's moral character before investing money with them. Does anyone know how Apple reciprocates to FreeBSD? After all a lot of MacOSX is borrowed from FreeBSD. I am not seeing Apple's name on this page: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml . Are there other ways in which Apple might be reciprocating? - Nerius Apple has had a mixed relationship giving back to the BSD community. They did hire several developers over time and do have several projects that they have open sourced. Launchd iCal server are two of the bigger ones. I personally feel that they could do better and certainly could have done things differently in a way that would have helped the community and built an even stronger product base but let's face it they sure aren't listening to me. In recent years their marketing as gone to some lengths to scrub the references to BSD UNIX from the brochures. It's like they are ashamed of their roots, again personally I think they hired some new anti-geeks that just don't get it. I would suggest you look at spreading your investment around to several BSD supportive companies. Obviously Apple and Juniper pop up to the top of the list. I would have offered Isilon but they have been assimilated into the beast know as EMC so that may not be an option. At the end of the day they are a company, and companies must make money in order to survive. Therefore, do not get too attached to their BSD rhetoric because the winds of business can change direction at any moment. On a side note: I would love to find a comprehensive list of both public and private companies that are BSD supportive. Regards, Mikel King BSD News Network http://bsdnews.net skype: mikel.king http://twitter.com/mikelking ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apple FreeBSD relationship
Hi-- #include std/disclaimer.h It wouldn't be considered appropriate for Apple employees or contractors (well, outside of the folks working in investor relations, perhaps) to try to persuade someone to invest in a particular company because of which open source projects Apple might be contributing towards. In another context, someone from Apple who was familiar with those contributions might be free to discuss them, but they would generally be expected to not identify their affiliation with Apple to avoid unduly influencing other people or creating a real or perceived conflict of interest. Someone who was looking for more information about this would find the investor relations page, corporate governance section, and the Business Conduct Policy documents informative, which are all publicly documented here: http://www.apple.com/investor/ http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=107357p=irol-govHighlights http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NTQ1NTF8Q2hpbGRJRD0tMXxUeXBlPTM=t=1 (PDF warning) Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Bruce Cran wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:12:16 +0100 jigger smith jig...@webtribe.net wrote: Hi, I would like to use FreeBSD on my Apple G4 iBook, can you tell me if the ADB keyboard is supported in the latest version available? I use FreeBSD on both my i386's and servers, so it would make sense to use it on my laptop instead of OpenBSD. ADB support was added fairly recently and is only available on -current and hasn't been MFC'd to -stable. On the G4 you'll probably want to run the following at the OpenFirmware prompt to make the CPU run at full speed: dev /cpus/PowerPC,g...@0 set-dfs-high You can find powerpc -current ISO images at pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200812 on most FreeBSD ftp mirrors - I can't find any newer images, they don't seem to have been built for powerpc in February. Hi Bruce, First, thanks very much for your help. I downloaded the a iso of -current from a UK mirror. But when booting from this, after showing all the devices as it loads it finally displays the following messages: WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance acd0: WARNING - SETFEATURE SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly acd0: TIMEOUT - READ_BIG retrying (1 try left) acd0: WARNING - SETFEATURE SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout - completing request directly acd0: TIMEOUT - READ_BIG retrying (0 try left) acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG timed out These messages are then repeated endlessly. Also at the Openfirmware screen, as you suggested I typed: dev /cpus/PowerPC,g...@0 then: set-dfs-high which the response was: unknown word Have you any idea what this is all about? Kind regards, Liam Sullivan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Support for Apple iBook keyboards
Hi, I would like to use FreeBSD on my Apple G4 iBook, can you tell me if the ADB keyboard is supported in the latest version available? I use FreeBSD on both my i386's and servers, so it would make sense to use it on my laptop instead of OpenBSD. Kind regards, Liam Sullivan. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Support for Apple iBook keyboards
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:12:16 +0100 jigger smith jig...@webtribe.net wrote: Hi, I would like to use FreeBSD on my Apple G4 iBook, can you tell me if the ADB keyboard is supported in the latest version available? I use FreeBSD on both my i386's and servers, so it would make sense to use it on my laptop instead of OpenBSD. ADB support was added fairly recently and is only available on -current and hasn't been MFC'd to -stable. On the G4 you'll probably want to run the following at the OpenFirmware prompt to make the CPU run at full speed: dev /cpus/PowerPC,g...@0 set-dfs-high You can find powerpc -current ISO images at pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200812 on most FreeBSD ftp mirrors - I can't find any newer images, they don't seem to have been built for powerpc in February. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: Mac RDP (Was: apple mac laptop)
On Aug 13, 2008, at 5:06 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: John Almberg ha scritto: I don't think it's far OT, either, since IMHO, Mac desktops and FreeBSD servers are the perfect, practical combination for many organizations, including my own. Since there seem to be a lot of expert here... Does anybody know of a FreeBSD client that can connect to a Mac OS X (not server) remote desktop? Last time I tried rdesktop it did not work. bye Thanks av. Andrea, Buona sera! So long as you have enable VNC support in the RDP setup on the server. Basically you need to set the VNC password and check the appropriate box. You should be able to access it from there. Also ensure that you have all of the standard ARD ports open on the firewall or you will not be able to connect. Once you do then any VNC client should be able to connect. ARD requires: 5900 tcp + udp 3283 tcp + udp 5988 tcp For VNC you should probably add 5800 tcp + udp as well. Ciao. Mikel King CEO, Olivent Technologies Senior Editor, Daemon News Columnist, BSD Magazine 6 Alpine Court Medford, NY 11763 http://www.olivent.com http://www.daemonnews.org http://www.bsdmag.org skype: mikel.king t: 631.627.3055 m: 646.554.3660 +--+ Do You know where your towel is? +--+ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac RDP (Was: apple mac laptop)
John Almberg ha scritto: I don't think it's far OT, either, since IMHO, Mac desktops and FreeBSD servers are the perfect, practical combination for many organizations, including my own. Since there seem to be a lot of expert here... Does anybody know of a FreeBSD client that can connect to a Mac OS X (not server) remote desktop? Last time I tried rdesktop it did not work. bye Thanks av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mac RDP (Was: apple mac laptop)
Andrea Venturoli wrote: John Almberg ha scritto: I don't think it's far OT, either, since IMHO, Mac desktops and FreeBSD servers are the perfect, practical combination for many organizations, including my own. Since there seem to be a lot of expert here... Does anybody know of a FreeBSD client that can connect to a Mac OS X (not server) remote desktop? Last time I tried rdesktop it did not work. according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Remote_Desktop you should be able to use a VNC client if you have the latest version. Just had a go from a linux vnc client with no joy though. It works using a mac vnc client though (chicken of the VNC) Vince bye Thanks av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mac RDP (Was: apple mac laptop)
On Aug 13, 2008, at 5:06 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: John Almberg ha scritto: I don't think it's far OT, either, since IMHO, Mac desktops and FreeBSD servers are the perfect, practical combination for many organizations, including my own. Since there seem to be a lot of expert here... Does anybody know of a FreeBSD client that can connect to a Mac OS X (not server) remote desktop? Last time I tried rdesktop it did not work. I don't run GUIs on my FreeBSD servers, so I've never had to do anything like this. In fact, I would do it the other way around, if I had to... run the virtual desktop on the Mac, and log into the FreeBSD server. Not that I actually run X on the server. I just SSH into the box, or use a virtual console connection, in case I can't SSH into the box (not that that has ever happened...) -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mac RDP (Was: apple mac laptop)
John Almberg ha scritto: I don't run GUIs on my FreeBSD servers, so I've never had to do anything like this. In fact, I would do it the other way around, if I had to... run the virtual desktop on the Mac, and log into the FreeBSD server. Not that I actually run X on the server. I just SSH into the box, or use a virtual console connection, in case I can't SSH into the box (not that that has ever happened...) Right, I fully agree: no GUI on the server. My need here is a bit different though, i.e. maintenance and assistance of remote clients. bye Thanks av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
On Aug 8, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Gary Kline wrote: This might better be asked offlist, but there may be others like me who are clueless, and since you are familiar, I'll ask you. How interact-able are FBSD and (say) MacBook? E.g., is there a BSD-way of my creating an account of the Apple and using is? It's got @G of RAM, and a 160G drive [!]. Apple says in plain text that is is UNIX. (or maybe Berkeley Unix). So besides the mac firewall [whatever], the laptop will be behind my pfSense box. So... --and to be completely honest, the main reason for this $1000 laptop is *security*. When she was younger I wasn't that concerned is some kiddie cracker learned that her favorite pet was a kitty. Different now. Another question: can I install X11 without it bothering whatever kind of mac front-end windowing comes with? Be great if I could admin this BSD-based computer from my office. thankee much! gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org Gary, I also strongly encourage you to install MacPorts.org, when you install x11 and xcode from the install media. There are methods of adding users via CLI however since the Apple setup is rather sophisticated I would recommend that you stick with the system preferences panel to start with. m! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
I don't think it's far OT, either, since IMHO, Mac desktops and FreeBSD servers are the perfect, practical combination for many organizations, including my own. This might better be asked offlist, but there may be others like me who are clueless, and since you are familiar, I'll ask you. How interact-able are FBSD and (say) MacBook? E.g., is there a BSD-way of my creating an account of the Apple and using is? It's got @G of RAM, and a 160G drive [!]. Apple says in plain text that is is UNIX. (or maybe Berkeley Unix). So besides the mac firewall [whatever], the laptop will be behind my pfSense box. So... --and to be completely honest, the main reason for this $1000 laptop is *security*. When she was younger I wasn't that concerned is some kiddie cracker learned that her favorite pet was a kitty. Different now. Another question: can I install X11 without it bothering whatever kind of mac front-end windowing comes with? Be great if I could admin this BSD-based computer from my office. thankee much! X11 is integrated with the Apple desktop, so you can run X11 applications, like OpenOffice, from the desktop, more or less seamlessly. The only difference that I've noted is that X11 applications use Ctrl-C, etc., for copy/paste instead of the usual Apple-C, etc, that normal Apple applications use. This is a minor inconvenience, but it reminds me that there are two different types of applications on the desktop. Basically, OSX *is* BSD so you can mount server disks, etc., as usual. The main benefit to me is that administering Apples is very similar to administering a FreeBSD server, so I don't need to learn two completely different OSs (one is more than enough for me!) I basically think of OSX as BSD with a really, really good GUI. Blows the doors off the usual Unix desktops (which is why I switched.) -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 04:15:30PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Aug 7, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
My daughter wants a laptop; the only brand [ AFAIC ] is Apple.
amazon.com seems to have a fair price. Her school requires Word, for
some reason. {maybe because we're in X-Bill country:}
Anyway, if anybody onlist knows of a better place to buy an online Mac
laptop, please drop a line.
Well, students, teachers, and so forth can get about a 10% discount
via the Apple Education stores:
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/education_routing/
(And yes, while one can run FreeBSD just fine on a Macbook, Sahil is
right that the question is off-topic for these lists. :-)
Well, considering that they asked us (and NetBSD) for clues when
they were porting OSX, it didn't seem like my post was *that*
far Off! maybe a tiny bit.
Anyway, thanks to everybody who replied onlist and off.
gary
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Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
(And yes, while one can run FreeBSD just fine on a Macbook, Sahil is right that the question is off-topic for these lists. :-) Well, considering that they asked us (and NetBSD) for clues when they were porting OSX, it didn't seem like my post was *that* far Off! maybe a tiny bit. Anyway, thanks to everybody who replied onlist and off. gary I don't think it's far OT, either, since IMHO, Mac desktops and FreeBSD servers are the perfect, practical combination for many organizations, including my own. -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 08:47:50AM -0400, John Almberg wrote: (And yes, while one can run FreeBSD just fine on a Macbook, Sahil is right that the question is off-topic for these lists. :-) Well, considering that they asked us (and NetBSD) for clues when they were porting OSX, it didn't seem like my post was *that* far Off! maybe a tiny bit. Anyway, thanks to everybody who replied onlist and off. gary I don't think it's far OT, either, since IMHO, Mac desktops and FreeBSD servers are the perfect, practical combination for many organizations, including my own. This might better be asked offlist, but there may be others like me who are clueless, and since you are familiar, I'll ask you. How interact-able are FBSD and (say) MacBook? E.g., is there a BSD-way of my creating an account of the Apple and using is? It's got @G of RAM, and a 160G drive [!]. Apple says in plain text that is is UNIX. (or maybe Berkeley Unix). So besides the mac firewall [whatever], the laptop will be behind my pfSense box. So... --and to be completely honest, the main reason for this $1000 laptop is *security*. When she was younger I wasn't that concerned is some kiddie cracker learned that her favorite pet was a kitty. Different now. Another question: can I install X11 without it bothering whatever kind of mac front-end windowing comes with? Be great if I could admin this BSD-based computer from my office. thankee much! gary -- John -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
On Aug 8, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Gary Kline wrote: So besides the mac firewall [whatever], the laptop will be behind my pfSense box. So... --and to be completely honest, the main reason for this $1000 laptop is *security*. When she was younger I wasn't that concerned is some kiddie cracker learned that her favorite pet was a kitty. Different now. MacOS X comes with good old ipfw. Apple has added a 2nd firewall on top of that for 10.5, but apparently not pf. Another question: can I install X11 without it bothering whatever kind of mac front-end windowing comes with? Be great if I could admin this BSD-based computer from my office. Yes, Apple provides X11 as an optional install on the included system DVD, but not preloaded from the factory. While you are loading X11 I suggest you also install Xcode. Then again I think Xcode was pre-installed on my Mac Pro. Xcode is Apple's software development environment. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apple mac laptop.
People,
My daughter wants a laptop; the only brand [ AFAIC ] is Apple.
amazon.com seems to have a fair price. Her school requires Word, for
some reason. {maybe because we're in X-Bill country:}
Anyway, if anybody onlist knows of a better place to buy an online Mac
laptop, please drop a line.
gary
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Re: apple mac laptop.
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My daughter wants a laptop; the only brand [ AFAIC ] is Apple.
amazon.com seems to have a fair price. Her school requires Word, for
some reason. {maybe because we're in X-Bill country:}
Anyway, if anybody onlist knows of a better place to buy an online Mac
laptop, please drop a line.
You are asking on the wrong mailing list; see http://www.apple.com.
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[OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
On Aug 7, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
My daughter wants a laptop; the only brand [ AFAIC ] is Apple.
amazon.com seems to have a fair price. Her school requires Word, for
some reason. {maybe because we're in X-Bill country:}
Anyway, if anybody onlist knows of a better place to buy an online Mac
laptop, please drop a line.
Well, students, teachers, and so forth can get about a 10% discount
via the Apple Education stores:
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/education_routing/
(And yes, while one can run FreeBSD just fine on a Macbook, Sahil is
right that the question is off-topic for these lists. :-)
Regards,
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Re: will freebsd run on apple intel xserve
Jason Joines wrote: Gabriel Rossetti wrote: George Hartzell wrote: Jason Joines writes: I'm a Linux guy who has inherited some apple xserve boxes. Surprisingly I've discovered that I really hate os x. For the intel xserve boxes, Linux isn't an option. The CPUs are amd64 architecture. AMD64on an Intel X-Serve box? I think you got it wrong there... Anyways, EFI support for Xeon CPUs should work without a problem, even for linux. I'm not sure about EFI support, I think it's fine in CURRENT, from what I've read on the net. Good luck, Gabriel The EFI capable Linux bootloader, has had beta support for amd64 since July. However, the Linux kernel just got support to boot via EFI and amd64 in a release candidate patch this month. It'll probably be quite a while before a distribution has an installer with what I need. At any rate, I've always wanted to try one of the BSDs. Will FreeBSD install on an apple intel xserve? If not does anyone know if another BSD or some other open source NIX will work? I can't give you a direct answer, but I was running 6-STABLE on an 8-way mac pro up until a couple of weeks ago (I had to give it back to it's owners and I'm waiting until after the next wwdc to buy my own...). I used bootcamp to partition a spare disk, then just booted from a freebsd cd and installed onto that partition. I ended up using refit as a boot doohickey (initially from an refit cd, eventually taking a chance on installing it onto the disk itself). There wasn't anything too surprising. g. Nope, it is the AMD64 architecture on apple intel xserve. Intel cloned it and called it Intel 64 and EM64T among other names. More vendor neutral names are x86-64 and x64. At any rate, many Linux distributions, and FreeBSD, release a version they call amd64 that runs on CPUs with this instruction set regardless of whether AMD or Intel created it. EFI support may be fine for amd64 xeon's but the elilo boot loader wouldn't work with amd64 until the latest beta. Even though the boot loader became capable in that beta, the Linux kernel wouldn't work with elilo on amd64 until 2.6.24-rc4. It may be fine with x86 xeons and it has always worked with ia64, just not amd64. I just don't know enough about FreeBSD to know if it or the bootloader(s) it uses have any of the same issues Linux does or not. Hopefully I'll get to go onsite soon and give it a try. Jason === Well I tried the amd64 version of FreeBSD 6.2 from the bootonly.iso and it didn't work either. Just like the Linux CDs, the xserve didn't even recognize it as bootable. Jason === ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: will freebsd run on apple intel xserve
Jason Joines writes: George Hartzell wrote: Jason Joines writes: I'm a Linux guy who has inherited some apple xserve boxes. Surprisingly I've discovered that I really hate os x. For the intel xserve boxes, Linux isn't an option. The CPUs are amd64 architecture. The EFI capable Linux bootloader, has had beta support for amd64 since July. However, the Linux kernel just got support to boot via EFI and amd64 in a release candidate patch this month. It'll probably be quite a while before a distribution has an installer with what I need. At any rate, I've always wanted to try one of the BSDs. Will FreeBSD install on an apple intel xserve? If not does anyone know if another BSD or some other open source NIX will work? I can't give you a direct answer, but I was running 6-STABLE on an 8-way mac pro up until a couple of weeks ago (I had to give it back to it's owners and I'm waiting until after the next wwdc to buy my own...). I used bootcamp to partition a spare disk, then just booted from a freebsd cd and installed onto that partition. I ended up using refit as a boot doohickey (initially from an refit cd, eventually taking a chance on installing it onto the disk itself). There wasn't anything too surprising. g. I didn't even know there was such a thing as an 8-way mac pro. Unfortunately that probably doesn't mean much as far as the xserve boxes go, at least not the intel xserve boxes. I'm running Linux on an intel imac and an intel powerbook pro, and others are on the intel powerbook and it runs on all the PowerPC stuff. However, all the intel boxes just mentioned have BIOS emulation. The intel xserve boxes do not, boot camp won't run on them and isn't supported on them. Well, I'm pretty fuzzy about what's hidden inside the various intel macs, but if will let you partition a disk from an os x install cd, will boot a freebsd boot disk from the cd (so you can do the install), and will boot from an refit cd (or via refit installed into the efi [sic?] boot area) then it'll go. FreeBSD doesn't need much from the bios, does it? If you send me an intel xserve, I'll take a shot at it :) g. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: will freebsd run on apple intel xserve
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 11:24:02AM +0100, Gabriel Rossetti wrote: George Hartzell wrote: Jason Joines writes: I'm a Linux guy who has inherited some apple xserve boxes. Surprisingly I've discovered that I really hate os x. For the intel xserve boxes, Linux isn't an option. The CPUs are amd64 architecture. AMD64on an Intel X-Serve box? I think you got it wrong there... I doubt he got it wrong. Almost all of Intel's recent CPUs implement the AMD64 (aka x86-64) architecture (although Intel of course does not call it AMD64. They used to call it EMT64, but I think they call it something else now.) -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: will freebsd run on apple intel xserve
George Hartzell wrote: Jason Joines writes: I'm a Linux guy who has inherited some apple xserve boxes. Surprisingly I've discovered that I really hate os x. For the intel xserve boxes, Linux isn't an option. The CPUs are amd64 architecture. AMD64on an Intel X-Serve box? I think you got it wrong there... Anyways, EFI support for Xeon CPUs should work without a problem, even for linux. I'm not sure about EFI support, I think it's fine in CURRENT, from what I've read on the net. Good luck, Gabriel The EFI capable Linux bootloader, has had beta support for amd64 since July. However, the Linux kernel just got support to boot via EFI and amd64 in a release candidate patch this month. It'll probably be quite a while before a distribution has an installer with what I need. At any rate, I've always wanted to try one of the BSDs. Will FreeBSD install on an apple intel xserve? If not does anyone know if another BSD or some other open source NIX will work? I can't give you a direct answer, but I was running 6-STABLE on an 8-way mac pro up until a couple of weeks ago (I had to give it back to it's owners and I'm waiting until after the next wwdc to buy my own...). I used bootcamp to partition a spare disk, then just booted from a freebsd cd and installed onto that partition. I ended up using refit as a boot doohickey (initially from an refit cd, eventually taking a chance on installing it onto the disk itself). There wasn't anything too surprising. g. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: will freebsd run on apple intel xserve
George Hartzell wrote: Jason Joines writes: George Hartzell wrote: Jason Joines writes: I'm a Linux guy who has inherited some apple xserve boxes. Surprisingly I've discovered that I really hate os x. For the intel xserve boxes, Linux isn't an option. The CPUs are amd64 architecture. The EFI capable Linux bootloader, has had beta support for amd64 since July. However, the Linux kernel just got support to boot via EFI and amd64 in a release candidate patch this month. It'll probably be quite a while before a distribution has an installer with what I need. At any rate, I've always wanted to try one of the BSDs. Will FreeBSD install on an apple intel xserve? If not does anyone know if another BSD or some other open source NIX will work? I can't give you a direct answer, but I was running 6-STABLE on an 8-way mac pro up until a couple of weeks ago (I had to give it back to it's owners and I'm waiting until after the next wwdc to buy my own...). I used bootcamp to partition a spare disk, then just booted from a freebsd cd and installed onto that partition. I ended up using refit as a boot doohickey (initially from an refit cd, eventually taking a chance on installing it onto the disk itself). There wasn't anything too surprising. g. I didn't even know there was such a thing as an 8-way mac pro. Unfortunately that probably doesn't mean much as far as the xserve boxes go, at least not the intel xserve boxes. I'm running Linux on an intel imac and an intel powerbook pro, and others are on the intel powerbook and it runs on all the PowerPC stuff. However, all the intel boxes just mentioned have BIOS emulation. The intel xserve boxes do not, boot camp won't run on them and isn't supported on them. Well, I'm pretty fuzzy about what's hidden inside the various intel macs, but if will let you partition a disk from an os x install cd, will boot a freebsd boot disk from the cd (so you can do the install), and will boot from an refit cd (or via refit installed into the efi [sic?] boot area) then it'll go. FreeBSD doesn't need much from the bios, does it? If you send me an intel xserve, I'll take a shot at it :) g. It will partition a disk from an os x cd but I haven't got it to boot anything but os x from refit. I haven't got to try the FreeBSD boot disk yet, hopefully I'll get to go on site and do that soon. I don't know what FreeBSD nees from the bios. Linux doesn't normally need much. This issue is particular to EFI, elilo and the amd64 architecture. It works just fine with EFI, elilo, and ia64 and as far as I know works just fine with EFI and x86. Sure wish I could give 'em to ya. Jason === ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: will freebsd run on apple intel xserve
Gabriel Rossetti wrote: George Hartzell wrote: Jason Joines writes: I'm a Linux guy who has inherited some apple xserve boxes. Surprisingly I've discovered that I really hate os x. For the intel xserve boxes, Linux isn't an option. The CPUs are amd64 architecture. AMD64on an Intel X-Serve box? I think you got it wrong there... Anyways, EFI support for Xeon CPUs should work without a problem, even for linux. I'm not sure about EFI support, I think it's fine in CURRENT, from what I've read on the net. Good luck, Gabriel The EFI capable Linux bootloader, has had beta support for amd64 since July. However, the Linux kernel just got support to boot via EFI and amd64 in a release candidate patch this month. It'll probably be quite a while before a distribution has an installer with what I need. At any rate, I've always wanted to try one of the BSDs. Will FreeBSD install on an apple intel xserve? If not does anyone know if another BSD or some other open source NIX will work? I can't give you a direct answer, but I was running 6-STABLE on an 8-way mac pro up until a couple of weeks ago (I had to give it back to it's owners and I'm waiting until after the next wwdc to buy my own...). I used bootcamp to partition a spare disk, then just booted from a freebsd cd and installed onto that partition. I ended up using refit as a boot doohickey (initially from an refit cd, eventually taking a chance on installing it onto the disk itself). There wasn't anything too surprising. g. Nope, it is the AMD64 architecture on apple intel xserve. Intel cloned it and called it Intel 64 and EM64T among other names. More vendor neutral names are x86-64 and x64. At any rate, many Linux distributions, and FreeBSD, release a version they call amd64 that runs on CPUs with this instruction set regardless of whether AMD or Intel created it. EFI support may be fine for amd64 xeon's but the elilo boot loader wouldn't work with amd64 until the latest beta. Even though the boot loader became capable in that beta, the Linux kernel wouldn't work with elilo on amd64 until 2.6.24-rc4. It may be fine with x86 xeons and it has always worked with ia64, just not amd64. I just don't know enough about FreeBSD to know if it or the bootloader(s) it uses have any of the same issues Linux does or not. Hopefully I'll get to go onsite soon and give it a try. Jason === ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: will freebsd run on apple intel xserve
Jason Joines writes: I'm a Linux guy who has inherited some apple xserve boxes. Surprisingly I've discovered that I really hate os x. For the intel xserve boxes, Linux isn't an option. The CPUs are amd64 architecture. The EFI capable Linux bootloader, has had beta support for amd64 since July. However, the Linux kernel just got support to boot via EFI and amd64 in a release candidate patch this month. It'll probably be quite a while before a distribution has an installer with what I need. At any rate, I've always wanted to try one of the BSDs. Will FreeBSD install on an apple intel xserve? If not does anyone know if another BSD or some other open source NIX will work? I can't give you a direct answer, but I was running 6-STABLE on an 8-way mac pro up until a couple of weeks ago (I had to give it back to it's owners and I'm waiting until after the next wwdc to buy my own...). I used bootcamp to partition a spare disk, then just booted from a freebsd cd and installed onto that partition. I ended up using refit as a boot doohickey (initially from an refit cd, eventually taking a chance on installing it onto the disk itself). There wasn't anything too surprising. g. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: will freebsd run on apple intel xserve
George Hartzell wrote: Jason Joines writes: I'm a Linux guy who has inherited some apple xserve boxes. Surprisingly I've discovered that I really hate os x. For the intel xserve boxes, Linux isn't an option. The CPUs are amd64 architecture. The EFI capable Linux bootloader, has had beta support for amd64 since July. However, the Linux kernel just got support to boot via EFI and amd64 in a release candidate patch this month. It'll probably be quite a while before a distribution has an installer with what I need. At any rate, I've always wanted to try one of the BSDs. Will FreeBSD install on an apple intel xserve? If not does anyone know if another BSD or some other open source NIX will work? I can't give you a direct answer, but I was running 6-STABLE on an 8-way mac pro up until a couple of weeks ago (I had to give it back to it's owners and I'm waiting until after the next wwdc to buy my own...). I used bootcamp to partition a spare disk, then just booted from a freebsd cd and installed onto that partition. I ended up using refit as a boot doohickey (initially from an refit cd, eventually taking a chance on installing it onto the disk itself). There wasn't anything too surprising. g. I didn't even know there was such a thing as an 8-way mac pro. Unfortunately that probably doesn't mean much as far as the xserve boxes go, at least not the intel xserve boxes. I'm running Linux on an intel imac and an intel powerbook pro, and others are on the intel powerbook and it runs on all the PowerPC stuff. However, all the intel boxes just mentioned have BIOS emulation. The intel xserve boxes do not, boot camp won't run on them and isn't supported on them. Jason === ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
will freebsd run on apple intel xserve
I'm a Linux guy who has inherited some apple xserve boxes. Surprisingly I've discovered that I really hate os x. For the intel xserve boxes, Linux isn't an option. The CPUs are amd64 architecture. The EFI capable Linux bootloader, has had beta support for amd64 since July. However, the Linux kernel just got support to boot via EFI and amd64 in a release candidate patch this month. It'll probably be quite a while before a distribution has an installer with what I need. At any rate, I've always wanted to try one of the BSDs. Will FreeBSD install on an apple intel xserve? If not does anyone know if another BSD or some other open source NIX will work? Jason Joines = ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: apple bonjour served up on FBSD
I covered making all this run on this list back on 9-23-07 look in the list archives for the Netatalk thread. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of brad davison Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:33 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: apple bonjour served up on FBSD the mDNSResponder port is up to date (moreso than even the apple download site) so i installed that with the port. it requires swig13 port as well.. which installed from the port just fine. after you get all that installed and working w/o errors, there is a bonjour python script set that will at least test the functionality and get it registered for services. I am still in the 'finding out' stages for this. I will post my findings that might help someone else on their journey.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:49:05 + Subject: apple bonjour served up on FBSD I am going to be making my BSD server at home available to my wife's macbook running Leopard. I am planning on implementing one of the mDNSResponder systems, but I am having some issues deciding which one to use. I have found the mDNSResponder from apple itself. I have also found (in no particular order) avahi-server p5-Net-Rendezvous My end goal is a server that will be able to share out iTunes and a printer to a Bonjour network. Does anyone have a suggestion on a recent setup? _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newwa ys_112007___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: apple bonjour served up on FBSD
the mDNSResponder port is up to date (moreso than even the apple download site) so i installed that with the port. it requires swig13 port as well.. which installed from the port just fine. after you get all that installed and working w/o errors, there is a bonjour python script set that will at least test the functionality and get it registered for services. I am still in the 'finding out' stages for this. I will post my findings that might help someone else on their journey.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:49:05 + Subject: apple bonjour served up on FBSD I am going to be making my BSD server at home available to my wife's macbook running Leopard. I am planning on implementing one of the mDNSResponder systems, but I am having some issues deciding which one to use. I have found the mDNSResponder from apple itself. I have also found (in no particular order) avahi-server p5-Net-Rendezvous My end goal is a server that will be able to share out iTunes and a printer to a Bonjour network. Does anyone have a suggestion on a recent setup? _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apple bonjour served up on FBSD
I am going to be making my BSD server at home available to my wife's macbook running Leopard. I am planning on implementing one of the mDNSResponder systems, but I am having some issues deciding which one to use. I have found the mDNSResponder from apple itself. I have also found (in no particular order) avahi-server p5-Net-Rendezvous My end goal is a server that will be able to share out iTunes and a printer to a Bonjour network. Does anyone have a suggestion on a recent setup? _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD on Apple Mac Mini?
On 03/06/2007, at 10:26 AM, Richard Tobin wrote: Does FreeBSD run well on the Mac Mini (x86)? I'm considering getting one to use for both MacOS and FreeBSD (booting from an external disk, if that's reasonable). Yep, it works fine. I used boot camp to create a small boot partition on the internal drive, and it loads everything else from an external USB drive. Thanks. A few more questions: - Any reason to prefer USB over Firewire? No, it's just what I had. - Do you have to use a boot partition on the internal disk? Can FreeBSD boot from external USB or Firewire? I am not sure. From what I understand, intel macs can boot from either USB or Firewire provided that they are partition using GPT. I used a boot partition on the external disk because I couldn't get it to work, and didn't care to spend much time on it. - Which release of FreeBSD are you using? 6.2-STABLE. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD on Apple Mac Mini?
On 03/06/2007, at 8:02 PM, Sam Lawrance wrote: On 03/06/2007, at 10:26 AM, Richard Tobin wrote: Does FreeBSD run well on the Mac Mini (x86)? I'm considering getting one to use for both MacOS and FreeBSD (booting from an external disk, if that's reasonable). Yep, it works fine. I used boot camp to create a small boot partition on the internal drive, and it loads everything else from an external USB drive. Thanks. A few more questions: - Any reason to prefer USB over Firewire? No, it's just what I had. - Do you have to use a boot partition on the internal disk? Can FreeBSD boot from external USB or Firewire? I am not sure. From what I understand, intel macs can boot from either USB or Firewire provided that they are partition using GPT. I used a boot partition on the external disk because I couldn't get it to work, and didn't care to spend much time on it. s/external/internal/ above :-) - Which release of FreeBSD are you using? 6.2-STABLE. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD on Apple Mac Mini?
Does FreeBSD run well on the Mac Mini (x86)? I'm considering getting one to use for both MacOS and FreeBSD (booting from an external disk, if that's reasonable). -- Richard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD on Apple Mac Mini?
On 03/06/2007, at 2:05 AM, Richard Tobin wrote: Does FreeBSD run well on the Mac Mini (x86)? I'm considering getting one to use for both MacOS and FreeBSD (booting from an external disk, if that's reasonable). Yep, it works fine. I used boot camp to create a small boot partition on the internal drive, and it loads everything else from an external USB drive. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD on Apple Mac Mini?
Does FreeBSD run well on the Mac Mini (x86)? I'm considering getting one to use for both MacOS and FreeBSD (booting from an external disk, if that's reasonable). Yep, it works fine. I used boot camp to create a small boot partition on the internal drive, and it loads everything else from an external USB drive. Thanks. A few more questions: - Any reason to prefer USB over Firewire? - Do you have to use a boot partition on the internal disk? Can FreeBSD boot from external USB or Firewire? - Which release of FreeBSD are you using? Thanks, Richard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [summary] Apple intel transition (was: Re: Status of 6.0 forproduction systems)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:27 PM To: Free BSD Questions list Subject: [summary] Apple intel transition (was: Re: Status of 6.0 forproduction systems) and so most upgrades will happen on the normal HW upgrade cycle that an particular Mac user follows. So, since your the expert on this, what is the normal HW upgrade cycle? I suppose all Mac users follow the same upgrade cycle, huh. Chad most of whose Macs are built from parts from eBay and parts shops and PC parts [total 3 Macs in the last 3 years -- personal and business owned], though he does have 3 original purchased Macs from Apple since 1998 [all business owned], 1 of which has been passed on to others. Hmm - so your own upgrade cycle is what, 8 years? From 1998 to 2005? Or were you gonna keep those original Macs longer than this year? So, Apple is going to be supporting PPC for another 8 years, then. OK. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [summary] Apple intel transition (was: Re: Status of 6.0 forproduction systems)
On Nov 19, 2005, at 5:19 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:27 PM To: Free BSD Questions list Subject: [summary] Apple intel transition (was: Re: Status of 6.0 forproduction systems) and so most upgrades will happen on the normal HW upgrade cycle that an particular Mac user follows. So, since your the expert on this, what is the normal HW upgrade cycle? Whatever cycle people use to buy new machines. Most people or groups have cycles they follow (even if it is not something they realize they do). For some, there is a written policy. For others it is driven by budgets. For others, when the old machine starts to feel long in the tooth. For a small minority it is every new generation (the early adopters and techno geeks). I suppose all Mac users follow the same upgrade cycle, huh. For each person or group it may be different. Some may do it every 18 months, some every 2-3 years, some every 3-4 years. Chad most of whose Macs are built from parts from eBay and parts shops and PC parts [total 3 Macs in the last 3 years -- personal and business owned], though he does have 3 original purchased Macs from Apple since 1998 [all business owned], 1 of which has been passed on to others. Hmm - so your own upgrade cycle is what, 8 years? From 1998 to 2005? I upgraded to a G5, because of business and tax reasons. My personal upgrade cycle is when I can afford it. Sometimes it is 2 years, sometimes 4 or 5. Some older machines are still used for side tasks like the original Bondi Blue 233mhz iMac (running OS X now), which is used by the family for email etc. Some older technology based machines (the eBay built ones) are 5 year old motherboards etc with new PC parts because I can get a machine much less expensively than buying a new one and I have a certain need. Like needing to run OS X Server for some customers and not wanting to buy an XServe since the customers are not paying for that. Or were you gonna keep those original Macs longer than this year? So, Apple is going to be supporting PPC for another 8 years, then. OK. Could be. I would guess at least 3-4 years after the last PPC based machine stops being part of Apple's line up. We are at least a year from that point and probably more like 2. That may not quite add up to 8 years but it probably adds up to 5-7 years. We'll see... Chad Ted --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[summary] Apple intel transition (was: Re: Status of 6.0 for production systems)
On Nov 17, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:01 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: The plan is to come out with new gear every few years so as to extract money from the customer base. As I already said in my first post, lots of people are like you - perfectly happy NOT buying the latest Apple product. Apple wants money from them - so Apple has to shake things up. Those same people will continue to use their older Apple HW. No need for them to be shook up. You make claims but have nothing more than your opinion to support it. Logic doesn't even support it. This is pretty much the gist of it: Ted maintains that the or a major reason for Apple to switch to Intel was to force an extra HW upgrade cycle amongst Mac users to generate more revenue than they would otherwise have gotten by maintaining the PPC as their architecture for OS X / Macintosh. He used the word greed to describe this. This ignores the fact that Apple is doing everything they possibly can, at great expense, to make sure that the PPC Macs are fully supported and usable after the transition. Very few people will upgrade their Macs sooner due to this transition and so most upgrades will happen on the normal HW upgrade cycle that an particular Mac user follows. Hence there is no short term economic benefit to this transition as no extra HW cycle will in general take place.There may be long term economic benefits from this decision based on component costs, RD costs, etc. but Ted's greed argument falls flat on its face. There will of course be some upgrades to Intel platform by typical power-user/early adopter/tech weenie type people who are interested in the technology itself, but not enough to set any sort of macro trend or to have a meaningful padding of the Apple bottom line. The same kind of people are probably buying the Quad G5 now (I know I want one :-) ). Chad most of whose Macs are built from parts from eBay and parts shops and PC parts [total 3 Macs in the last 3 years -- personal and business owned], though he does have 3 original purchased Macs from Apple since 1998 [all business owned], 1 of which has been passed on to others. Also has built numerous x86 architecture based (mostly AMD chips) FreeBSD boxes and one Solaris 10 box. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dual apple displays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have 2 apple 20 displays and was cannot find info on what vidcard I should get that is best supported by FreeBSD 5.4 and X. If dual DVI support is not an option for freebsd ( which I hope the hell it is) what would a good vidcard be with single DVI support and high resolution for my apple cinema displays? thanks --mike Dual DVI is always possible in X. I dunno about the high resolution though as there are issues with particular video cards in X and Windows drivers 'cheating sometimes' by looking at the monitor's VSync and HSync values (Intel's onboard video with Dell Optiplex 260's/270's has a bug with improperly adjusting the resolution of the screen for instance). Any ATI/nVidia (preferrably nVidia as have better hardware support in Unix and in general) cards you get though should work perfectly, and I know that some of the nVidia Quadro cards support dual DVI out displays. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dual apple displays
Hi, I have 2 apple 20 displays and was cannot find info on what vidcard I should get that is best supported by FreeBSD 5.4 and X. If dual DVI support is not an option for freebsd ( which I hope the hell it is) what would a good vidcard be with single DVI support and high resolution for my apple cinema displays? thanks --mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: apple share
That's where the tricky part comes in. We can't change any of the software on the Mac server. I was looking for a gateway between the mac server and our PCs. We have a login ID and password, but that's all. Timothy R. Simmons IT Technician Champion Realty Inc. Direct Line: 410-975-3328 Office: 410-544-6004 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Sullam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: apple share An easy solution is to install Dave (a commericial product) on the Apple server if it is running Mac Classic. If it is running OSX you can use Samba. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apple 1gz Server -- FreeBSD?
We have a 1gz Apple 1U server here -- and I'm wondering if we could run a *BSD on it, other than Darwin. Anyone have some info? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apple 1gz Server -- FreeBSD?
In the immortal words of Forrest Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]... We have a 1gz Apple 1U server here -- and I'm wondering if we could run a *BSD on it, other than Darwin. Well, I think the motto of NetBSD says it all Of course it runs NetBSD! You might want to check the specifics over at http://www.netbsd.org top be certain Cheers Tim -- Tim Aslat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spyderweb Consulting http://www.spyderweb.com.au Phone: +61 0401088479 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apple 1gz Server -- FreeBSD?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 09:14:16AM +0930, Tim Aslat wrote: : In the immortal words of Forrest Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]... : : We have a 1gz Apple 1U server here -- and I'm wondering if we could : run a *BSD on it, other than Darwin. : : Well, I think the motto of NetBSD says it all : : Of course it runs NetBSD! : : You might want to check the specifics over at http://www.netbsd.org top : be certain http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html#xserve ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apple 1gz Server -- FreeBSD?
On Monday, 2004, August 23 at 15:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Forrest Aldrich) wrote: We have a 1gz Apple 1U server here -- and I'm wondering if we could run a *BSD on it, other than Darwin. Anyone have some info? OpenBSD also has limited support. http://www.openbsd.org/macppc.html#hardware ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apple talk
is there software in the ports tree to read text files and speak the audio similar to apple talk? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apple talk
is there software in the ports tree to read text files and speak the audio similar to apple talk? Port: festival-1.4.1_2 Path: /usr/ports/audio/festival Info: Multi-lingual speech synthesis system ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apple?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 09:55:10PM +0100, joost knetsch wrote: i wonder if its possible to install freebsd on a apple computer? I have a G4 500mhz macintosh. ?? The FreeBSD PPC port is at quite an early stage of development still, and not really suitable for any use other than development work yet. See: http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html There's some more up to date information on the mailing list: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/ You could use NetBSD for your purposes: http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/ Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Apple?
OpenBSD also supports the PowerPC platform. -Original Message- From: Matthew Seaman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:26 AM To: joost knetsch Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Apple? On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 09:55:10PM +0100, joost knetsch wrote: i wonder if its possible to install freebsd on a apple computer? I have a G4 500mhz macintosh. ?? The FreeBSD PPC port is at quite an early stage of development still, and not really suitable for any use other than development work yet. See: http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html There's some more up to date information on the mailing list: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/ You could use NetBSD for your purposes: http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/ Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it is addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject to intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed and are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and then immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apple?
Hello, i wonder if its possible to install freebsd on a apple computer? I have a G4 500mhz macintosh. ?? i need it to config the machine as a 'node' for wireless internet distubution. thanks joost knetsch Mini and Apple is all what you need for a happy life. And offcourse my girlfriend.:-P www.minisevenclub.nl www.apple.com/nl www.macosx.nl www.wirelessleiden.nl www.wirelessnederland.nl www.hotspot.nl ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apple?
On Jan 26, 2004, at 3:55 PM, joost knetsch wrote: i wonder if its possible to install freebsd on a apple computer? I have a G4 500mhz macintosh. hi- did you try darwin? http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ -lance ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apple files
Hello I did have a look in the ports. But does anyone know of a program I can use in mutt to read attachments that arrive in apple file formats ? I have to communicate a lot with an Apple user, using god alone knows what word processor. I think he is using Apple's verson of Word, but it is hard to get this information out of him, since he is about as technical as a mongoose. I know he is using MacosX. But catdoc just produces nonsense when his attachments arrive. So I figured if he sent the documents in native word/apple format our life would be easier. Anyone any ideas ? The real problem is that this information is important, but my correspondant, not only being a technical dodo, is very impatient. Thanks. -- Regards Cliff [ This mail has been checked as virus-free ] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apple files
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 06:14:23AM +0200, Cliff Sarginson wrote: Hello I did have a look in the ports. But does anyone know of a program I can use in mutt to read attachments that arrive in apple file formats ? I have to communicate a lot with an Apple user, using god alone knows what word processor. I think he is using Apple's verson of Word, but it is hard to get this information out of him, since he is about as technical as a mongoose. Antiword does a pretty decent job of turning M$ .doc files into ascii text, and it worked fine with a simple ``hello world'' type document created with M$ Office on OS X (typically the four word file took 19,456 bytes :-). All I'm using to handle this in mutt is one line in my ~/.mailcap: application/msword; antiword %s; copiousoutput Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``... because most politicians and bureaucrats are technological idiots, it's going to be crucial for the rank and file members of the IT community to find its collective voice soon.'' --Michael Vizard, InfoWorld Editor in Chief. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apple files
If your client is using Appleworks, it's a bit more difficult. I had a hacked up version of an Appleworks file format reader taken from OS X (server) 1.1 --or maybe the earlier version, circa 1999. If yu need it let me know and I'll see if I can dig it up. Tim Kellers CPE/NJIT On Sunday 20 July 2003 12:27 am, Bill Campbell wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 06:14:23AM +0200, Cliff Sarginson wrote: Hello I did have a look in the ports. But does anyone know of a program I can use in mutt to read attachments that arrive in apple file formats ? I have to communicate a lot with an Apple user, using god alone knows what word processor. I think he is using Apple's verson of Word, but it is hard to get this information out of him, since he is about as technical as a mongoose. Antiword does a pretty decent job of turning M$ .doc files into ascii text, and it worked fine with a simple ``hello world'' type document created with M$ Office on OS X (typically the four word file took 19,456 bytes :-). All I'm using to handle this in mutt is one line in my ~/.mailcap: application/msword; antiword %s; copiousoutput Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``... because most politicians and bureaucrats are technological idiots, it's going to be crucial for the rank and file members of the IT community to find its collective voice soon.'' --Michael Vizard, InfoWorld Editor in Chief. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Aging Apple LaserWriter
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Cliff Sarginson wrote: I could not find what I want to know doing the ususal perusals. I have the chance to pick up an aging Apple Laserwriter 16/600 that supports PS2 .. I assume (hope) that this would work trouble-free on FreeBSD. It has parallel port and ethernet connections. (I know you have to make provision for plain-text, but I am more interested in using it to print larger PostScript files). Word on the street is that any PS printer should work on FBSD. True ? I have never had any trouble printing to a Postscript printer from FreeBSD. Even for plain text, just send the text file via lpr, and it prints. -- Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** [ Busy Expunging | ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Aging Apple LaserWriter
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Cliff Sarginson wrote: I could not find what I want to know doing the ususal perusals. I have the chance to pick up an aging Apple Laserwriter 16/600 that supports PS2 .. I assume (hope) that this would work trouble-free on FreeBSD. It has parallel port and ethernet connections. (I know you have to make provision for plain-text, but I am more interested in using it to print larger PostScript files). Word on the street is that any PS printer should work on FBSD. True ? It's not really a FreeBSD thing--send PostScript to a PostScript printer, and it'll print. So it's really up to the programs producing the output. Look at /usr/ports/print/enscript-letter (or -a4) for an easy text-to-PS converter. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
