Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question
20.11.2012 00:02, Carmel пишет:
I know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone could
give me a quick answer.
I have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for an
organization. The format should be as shown here:
Article I
Name
Bla-bla
section 1
section 2
Article II
Members
\renewcommand{\chaptername}{Article}
\renewcommand{\thechapter}{\Roman{chapter}}
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Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question
Latex can do what you describe but you would need to create or locate a different document class. The standard classes that ship with (most) versions of Latex are for academic journals, books, and letters. You are more likely to get your question answered on a Latex specific forum or mailing list. Finally, in case you have not already tried it, I highly recommend using Lyx to create Latex documents. If you are in a rush you can use the \section* command to enter your article headings and the \subsection* command for your section headings. The trailing asterisk suppresses automatic numbering, so you will need to add your own. Much nicer to use automatic numbering. On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Carmel carmel...@hotmail.com wrote: I know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone could give me a quick answer. I have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for an organization. The format should be as shown here: Article I Name Bla-bla section 1 section 2 Article II Members And so on. I can accomplish this easily in MS Word; however, I have not been able to find a way to make Latex use Article as opposed to Chapter in its heading. I have to use Article I have Googled for over a day without success. I find it very strange that Latex doesn't have an \article definition like \section and \chapter. Is there any way to do this or am I stuck with MS Word. BTW, I did investigate the titlesec package, but I did not see a way to accomplish it. Thanks -- Carmel ✌ carmel...@hotmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Dunn Open Slate Project http://openslate.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:08:47 +0400
Boris Samorodov articulated:
20.11.2012 00:02, Carmel пишет:
I know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone could
give me a quick answer.
I have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for an
organization. The format should be as shown here:
Article I
Name
Bla-bla
section 1
section 2
Article II
Members
\renewcommand{\chaptername}{Article}
\renewcommand{\thechapter}{\Roman{chapter}}
Thank you. I tried thechapter and \chapter. It never occurred to me
to use \chaptername. I couldn't find any documentation on it either,
although I was certain that it could be done. I am surprised that there
is not a fixed style for that in Latex. Article is commonly used in
legal documents.
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Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question
19.11.2012, 23:27, Carmel carmel...@hotmail.com:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:08:47 +0400
Boris Samorodov articulated:
20.11.2012 00:02, Carmel пишет:
I know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone could
give me a quick answer.
I have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for an
organization. The format should be as shown here:
Article I
Name
Bla-bla
section 1
section 2
Article II
Members
\renewcommand{\chaptername}{Article}
\renewcommand{\thechapter}{\Roman{chapter}}
Thank you. I tried thechapter and \chapter. It never occurred to me
to use \chaptername. I couldn't find any documentation on it either,
although I was certain that it could be done. I am surprised that there
is not a fixed style for that in Latex. Article is commonly used in
legal documents.
Well it's written by mathematicians and physicists for mathematicians and
physicists (mostly)
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Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question
This sort of worked for me, but still had problems. 1) my Latex starts
chapters on a new page, which may or may not fit the bill. 2) In Lyx the
chapter command wants a title; I could not get just Article I. I'm sure
both of these are fixable, Latex can do virtually anything.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Boris Samorodov b...@passap.ru wrote:
20.11.2012 00:02, Carmel пишет:
I know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone could
give me a quick answer.
I have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for an
organization. The format should be as shown here:
Article I
Name
Bla-bla
section 1
section 2
Article II
Members
\renewcommand{\chaptername}{Article}
\renewcommand{\thechapter}{\Roman{chapter}}
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Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question
20.11.2012 01:25, Carmel пишет: I couldn't find any documentation on it either, although I was certain that it could be done. If you are going to use LaTeX, you definitely should learn it. There are many good free downlodable books out there. I am surprised that there is not a fixed style for that in Latex. Article is commonly used in legal documents. Imho there is no sence since it's a matter of one line of code. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question
20.11.2012 01:48, Open Slate пишет: This sort of worked for me, but still had problems. 1) my Latex starts chapters on a new page, which may or may not fit the bill. 1. Don't use the book style to write an article. 2. Read the documentation. It's open, free and plenty. 2) In Lyx the chapter command wants a title; I could not get just Article I. I'm sure both of these are fixable, Latex can do virtually anything. Never used Lyx, so no comments here, sorry. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:48:01 -1000
Open Slate articulated:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Boris Samorodov b...@passap.ru
wrote:
20.11.2012 00:02, Carmel пишет:
I know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone
could give me a quick answer.
I have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for
an organization. The format should be as shown here:
Article I
Name
Bla-bla
section 1
section 2
Article II
Members
\renewcommand{\chaptername}{Article}
\renewcommand{\thechapter}{\Roman{chapter}}
This sort of worked for me, but still had problems. 1) my Latex starts
chapters on a new page, which may or may not fit the bill. 2) In Lyx
the chapter command wants a title; I could not get just Article I.
I'm sure both of these are fixable, Latex can do virtually anything.
Use this to suppress the one chapter per page occurrence.
\usepackage{etoolbox}
\makeatletter
\patchcmd{\chapter}{\if@openright\cleardoublepage\else\clearpage\fi}{}{}{}
\makeatother
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Re: OFF TOPIC -- Latex Question
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:02:51 -0500, Carmel wrote:
I know this doesn't belong here; however I was hoping someone could
give me a quick answer.
I have a document I am writing, actually a new set of By Laws for an
organization. The format should be as shown here:
Article I
Name
Bla-bla
section 1
section 2
Article II
Members
And so on.
Looks simple.
I can accomplish this easily in MS Word;
No, you can't.
Means: You _can_ accomplish it in Word, but it won't be
easy, and it won't last. :-)
however, I have not
been able to find a way to make Latex use Article as opposed to
Chapter in its heading. I have to use Article I have Googled for
over a day without success.
Those have predefined styles which are usually fine fof
common use. In your case, you need a custom definition.
I _may_ be possible that it already exists, but I think
you would be quicker by doing your own.
I find it very strange that Latex doesn't
have an \article definition like \section and \chapter.
Because article first is a document class (document style),
and furthermore, it's just another structure name (heading).
The question could be, why is there no \subnumber or
\underparagraph? :-)
Is there
any way to do this or am I stuck with MS Word.
Luckily, you're not.
BTW, I did investigate
the titlesec package, but I did not see a way to accomplish it.
Sadly I'm not familiar with this package.
BUT.
What you're trying to create is something I've been requested
for typesetting a contract some years ago:
§ 1
Pups und Furz
§ 2
Schnarch und Dudel
So I think I can help here.
Define this in your preamble (before begin document):
\newcommand{\article}[1]{
\begin{center} {\bf Article \Roman{articlenr}\\#1} \end{center}
\addtocounter{articlenr}{1}}
You can easily put it into one line, I've made three here for
better reading.
Then _in_ your document (after begin document), _prior_ to your
first use of the \article command:
\newcounter{articlenr}
\setcounter{articlenr}{1}
And now you can use it:
\article{Name}
The name is foo.
\article{Members}
The members will be present.
And so on.
In my original document it has been called \para and \paranr
(to be used with the german word Paragraph and the sign §);
check if there is a _naming conflict_
If you don't need the bold font style, remove the {\bf and
the } (after \\#1) in the definition. It's dirty lower-level
hack anyway. :-)
If you need vertical spacing infront of a new paragraph
(additional space to what LaTeX puts there anyway), you
can use \vspace{1.0cm} for example - in the definition.
There is still one downside: It doesn't integrate into the
numbering scheme of \section, \subsection and so on. In my
case, I've been using the enumerate environment within
the articles for sectioning, which was sufficient in case
of that contract.
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Re: Off Topic. DNS, Android.
a) Normally any Domain name registered has to have 2 Nameservers. Some don't have to. but should. registry like the one responsible for .ORG requires 2 at least to propagate the domain. In teh case of .COM that is not a requirement, one nameserver could work. If for some reason I have 2 of them and one is configured to point to SERVER A , and the other to SERVER B. Differenet places, same configuration. Is there any preference over what is PRIMARY NAMESERVER or SECONDARY NAMESERVER? I mean, Primary is the one used mainly? actually when another DNS server resolve the name it may use any of them. Primary and secondary is mostly term for you - DNS operator. Primary is the way where you type in domain definition file, secondary is the one that fetches the file from primary every time it was modified. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off Topic. DNS, Android.
On Jun 22, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello. Hola! I am sorry if the following 2 questions could sound too stupid. a) Normally any Domain name registered has to have 2 Nameservers. Some registry like the one responsible for .ORG requires 2 at least to propagate the domain. In teh case of .COM that is not a requirement, one nameserver could work. It's always a good idea to have at least two nameservers configured for any public domain, and best practice involves having nameservers located on different networks. If for some reason I have 2 of them and one is configured to point to SERVER A , and the other to SERVER B. Differenet places, same configuration. Is there any preference over what is PRIMARY NAMESERVER or SECONDARY NAMESERVER? I mean, Primary is the one used mainly? No, DNS round-robin used on most platforms will rotate fairly evenly. And the traffic can be cached by other nameservers for a long(er) time by upping TTLs, if you wish to reduce network traffic load...at the tradeoff of making DNS changes take longer to be noticed, of course. Bigger sites might adjust DNS traffic onto server pools with a load-balancer which does liveness checks of the nameservers and could be told to adjust traffic routing in various ways. You can also do something similar via ipfw/natd's redirect_address (see RFC 2391). b) I am looking for good list like this one for people developing, learning about Android Development. Any suggestion ? I am trying to setup a Freebsd machine for developing for Android, if possible. Hmm. http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html suggests that maybe the Linux distribution under FreeBSD's Linux emulation might be a possibility. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off Topic. DNS, Android.
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Re: Off topic: NetBSD or OpenBSD for Alpha server ?
On 05/04/2012 07:51 PM, Kenneth Hatteland wrote: Since the alpha forum for FreeBSD is closed, and there has not been Alpha support since 6.4 I wondered about which OS to install on a alpha server I am getting quite soon. I guess FreeBSD 6.4 is perhaps not the best since it is not maintained and the ports tree likewise ? So I checked the 2 other main contenders and just wanted to ask if anyone here had an opinion what 2 install of the BSDs ? Or perhaps FreeBSD 6.4 is a good choice ( I have not tested Open or Net BSD so FreeBSD is my hometurf) The machine will probably be a server to have fun with and hopefully learn something from. Perhaps some server role in my rig, routing, security etc. Any advise would be nice :) Hi. I don't have experience with Alpha but OpenBSD supports this arch. Take a look: - http://openbsd.org/51.html . The number of pre-built packages is not bad. - http://openbsd.org/alpha.html Cheers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off topic: NetBSD or OpenBSD for Alpha server ?
The idea of installing FreeBSD 6.4 and experiment with upgrading to7.x and above appeals to quite a lot. If anyone have tried this I`d like to know if it is doable. I guess I`ll pick up the server one of the coming days. The tip on using OpenVMS is okay, I googled it. But this seems to be a commercial OS, and I have no money to spend on it, and I get the server for free to play with. So BSD will be fine. I`ll try FreeBSD first, and OpenBSD next I think if the experience of FreeBSD 6.4 and above is not totally pleasant... Kenneth Hatteland ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off topic: NetBSD or OpenBSD for Alpha server ?
On Sat, 05 May 2012 19:20:10 +0200 Kenneth Hatteland kenneth.hattel...@kleppnett.no wrote: The idea of installing FreeBSD 6.4 and experiment with upgrading to7.x and above appeals to quite a lot. If anyone have tried this I`d like to know if it is doable. I guess I`ll pick up the server one of the coming days. I have an Aspen Durango II Alpha server that I'm pretty sure I was able to upgrade to 7.x using cvs. It been sitting ideal in my basement for a few years now. I don't think you can go above 7. The tip on using OpenVMS is okay, I googled it. But this seems to be a commercial OS, and I have no money to spend on it, and I get the server for free to play with. So BSD will be fine. The hobby license is free. You just need the media, which I think sells for around 30 - 50 bucks when it pops up on Ebay. Not sure if the Hobbyist still sell media. -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodper...@rodperson.com Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity, go on sending all the slaves that can be sold. - Letter from Christopher Columbus. J.A. Rawley, The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade: A History. Pg.3 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off topic: NetBSD or OpenBSD for Alpha server ?
On Sat, 05 May 2012 19:20:10 +0200, Kenneth Hatteland wrote: The idea of installing FreeBSD 6.4 and experiment with upgrading to7.x and above appeals to quite a lot. If anyone have tried this I`d like to know if it is doable. I guess I`ll pick up the server one of the coming days. It should be useful to pay attention to all security considerations, and of course to features that the _software_ you want to run might require from the OS. The tip on using OpenVMS is okay, I googled it. But this seems to be a commercial OS, and I have no money to spend on it, and I get the server for free to play with. So BSD will be fine. OpenVMS offers, if I remember correctly, hobbyist licensing which is less expensive than the commercial licensing. Additionally, I've heared of FreeVMS, but I'm not sure if it's still in development and will run on your hardware. It's supposed to be a free (of costs) VMS-compatible operating system, if I remember correctly. I`ll try FreeBSD first, and OpenBSD next I think if the experience of FreeBSD 6.4 and above is not totally pleasant... Try installing the OS, then continue with finding out what specific software (from ports or packages) you'll need. Update the system if needed, or if you're okay with a not so current system, just leave the software as-is, if it fits your needs. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off topic: NetBSD or OpenBSD for Alpha server ?
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Rod Person rodper...@rodperson.com wrote: On Sat, 05 May 2012 19:20:10 +0200 Kenneth Hatteland kenneth.hattel...@kleppnett.no wrote: The idea of installing FreeBSD 6.4 and experiment with upgrading to7.x and above appeals to quite a lot. If anyone have tried this I`d like to know if it is doable. I guess I`ll pick up the server one of the coming days. I have an Aspen Durango II Alpha server that I'm pretty sure I was able to upgrade to 7.x using cvs. It been sitting ideal in my basement for a few years now. I don't think you can go above 7. The tip on using OpenVMS is okay, I googled it. But this seems to be a commercial OS, and I have no money to spend on it, and I get the server for free to play with. So BSD will be fine. The hobby license is free. You just need the media, which I think sells for around 30 - 50 bucks when it pops up on Ebay. Not sure if the Hobbyist still sell media. According to http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/news.php The OpenVMS Hobbyist Program now has a new licensing portal on the popular OpenVMS.org site. You can find the announcement here: http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=12/01/27/8782690 License registration is located at http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Hobbyist And check out part where is says In addition, the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program offers kits containing OpenVMS Base O/S software and selected Layered Products via download. I know this is something that's been asked about on several occasions, and HP has finally taken it to heart. This should also allow the Hobbyist Program to provide a lot more Layered Products that previously available. So it seems it is still possible, if he desired to pursue it. I still have FreeBSD Alpha, and OpenVMS Alpha/Itanium systems chugging along. -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodper...@rodperson.com Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity, go on sending all the slaves that can be sold. - Letter from Christopher Columbus. J.A. Rawley, The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade: A History. Pg.3 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off topic: NetBSD or OpenBSD for Alpha server ?
I still have FreeBSD Alpha, and OpenVMS Alpha/Itanium systems chugging along. Now, ia64 is another story. I run fbsd 10-current on ia64. Have you tried fbsd on ia64? Are you at all interested in this? -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off topic: NetBSD or OpenBSD for Alpha server ?
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Erik Nørgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: On 04/05/2012 19:51, Kenneth Hatteland wrote: So I checked the 2 other main contenders and just wanted to ask if anyone here had an opinion what 2 install of the BSDs ? Or perhaps FreeBSD 6.4 is a good choice ( I have not tested Open or Net BSD so FreeBSD is my hometurf) The machine will probably be a server to have fun with and hopefully learn something from. Perhaps some server role in my rig, routing, security etc. Any advise would be nice :) QNX will not run on the Alpha architecture, freeBSD 6.4 in my opinion is still the far better choice for anything alpha the only other thing i would recommend oin that platorm would be OpenVMS from the hobbyist kit. But then again I only run real Operating systems on my Alphas :) A few things you could consider: - which OS seems to be the most active? I recall NetBSD was about a dead end a few years ago, but maybe they got back. - which OS seems to offer you the best learning oportunity? If you're interested in security OpenBSD might be a choice. ... but then, why not try both, it's free. Or consider something completely different? If I had to go BSD, and not FreeBSD, I'd go with OpenBSD for the security. But I'd much rather like to try a microkernel system like QNX if that would be an alternative. BR, Erik -- M: +34 666 334 818 T: +34 915 211 157 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off topic: NetBSD or OpenBSD for Alpha server ?
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 04:45:17PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Erik N?rgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: On 04/05/2012 19:51, Kenneth Hatteland wrote: So I checked the 2 other main contenders and just wanted to ask if anyone here had an opinion what 2 install of the BSDs ? Or perhaps FreeBSD 6.4 is a good choice ( I have not tested Open or Net BSD so FreeBSD is my hometurf) The machine will probably be a server to have fun with and hopefully learn something from. Perhaps some server role in my rig, routing, security etc. Any advise would be nice :) QNX will not run on the Alpha architecture, freeBSD 6.4 in my opinion is still the far better choice for anything alpha the only other thing i would recommend oin that platorm would be OpenVMS from the hobbyist kit. But then again I only run real Operating systems on my Alphas :) 6.4 is way past EOL. It's irresponsible to recommend it. I've run VMS on Alphas for several years, there's nothing wrong with it. Indeed, it's very good. Plus VMS Alpha is highly optimised. You are unlikely to get a similar performance from any other OS on this architecture. If you want to learn UNIX, then I strongly recommend FreeBSD, but do not use an obsolete version. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off topic: NetBSD or OpenBSD for Alpha server ?
Anton Shterenlikht me...@bristol.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 04:45:17PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Erik N?rgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: On 04/05/2012 19:51, Kenneth Hatteland wrote: So I checked the 2 other main contenders and just wanted to ask if anyone here had an opinion what 2 install of the BSDs ? Or perhaps FreeBSD 6.4 is a good choice ( I have not tested Open or Net BSD so FreeBSD is my hometurf) The machine will probably be a server to have fun with and hopefully learn something from. Perhaps some server role in my rig, routing, security etc. Any advise would be nice :) QNX will not run on the Alpha architecture, freeBSD 6.4 in my opinion is still the far better choice for anything alpha the only other thing i would recommend oin that platorm would be OpenVMS from the hobbyist kit. But then again I only run real Operating systems on my Alphas :) 6.4 is way past EOL. It's irresponsible to recommend it. Dec ALPHAs are way past EOL. DEC, itself, is way past EOL. For obselete hardware one frequetly has no alternative but to run an obselete operating system. The OP has already decided on a *BSD. Recommending VMS, of any form, is not a 'helpful'/'responsive' response to his questions. You *don't*know* _why_ he has selected *BSD, so you have _no_ idea whether VMS is viable or his needs. Given that he -needs- a *BSD on _that_ hardware which which 'flavor' would you recomend? Or would you insist he discard that hardware and replace it with something current? inquiring minds want to know. *grin* ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off topic: NetBSD or OpenBSD for Alpha server ?
On Fri, 4 May 2012 17:11:00 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote: For obselete hardware one frequetly has no alternative but to run an obselete operating system. Depending on the actual intention of use, it _may_ be no problem to use obsolete operating systems and software. (For example, I still have a FreeBSD 5.4 system with lots of applications installed, perfectly working on a 300 MHz system, intended for special purposes; I would _never_ use that as a server facing the Internet!) The OP has already decided on a *BSD. Recommending VMS, of any form, is not a 'helpful'/'responsive' response to his questions. You *don't*know* _why_ he has selected *BSD, so you have _no_ idea whether VMS is viable or his needs. Given that he -needs- a *BSD on _that_ hardware which which 'flavor' would you recomend? Or would you insist he discard that hardware and replace it with something current? inquiring minds want to know. *grin* It there is a _required_ reason to run Alpha hardware, an older FreeBSD OS isn't a bad choice. Depending on the availability of sources (per /usr/ports of _that_ version) or of packages (from the installation media of _that_ version, or $PACKAGESITE pointing to the correct archives on the FreBSD FTP server), software can be installed. There's also the excellent tool portdowngrade. However, it may be a try miss to find out what software still runs, what _current_ software can be made running, and what operation procedures still work. This _ALL_ depends on what the system should be used for. Only the OP can decide about what applies, and what doesn't. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:50:06 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: Polytropon writes: Speech recognition requires training. Both the user and the system have to learn from each other. But you have a learning curve everywhere, be it typing, talking, or reading from a Braille output. In the case of speech recognition, that's a curve many might be willing to travel if they had reason to believe it was effort wisely invested. There are a couple of ports that cleim to do speech recognition. Does anyone have experience with them? When it comes to speech recognition, the only two applications that seem to work reliably at all levels are Siri on iPhone 4S and Dragon NaturallySpeaking, neither of which are obviously available on FreeBSD. I don't believe that there is even a *nix/BSD version of Dragon NaturallySpeaking in production. In any case, I do have a friend who is severely vision impaired that uses that software with amazing results. She can definitely dictate a letter faster than I can manually create one. I did try two different ports two years ago and they were sadly lacking in their ability to achieve any true speech recognition. They were painfully slow to even get configured. I gave up within a few hours on the project. It was only an experiment anyway. I sincerely hope you can find a truly useful application to suit your needs. By the way, in the US anyway, there are many foundations that will give you financial assistance or grants to purchase software that will make your PC more readily available to you. I am not sure if that kind of support is available in your locale. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
On 03/27/12 20:41, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:50:06 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: Polytropon writes: Speech recognition requires training. Both the user and the system have to learn from each other. But you have a learning curve everywhere, be it typing, talking, or reading from a Braille output. In the case of speech recognition, that's a curve many might be willing to travel if they had reason to believe it was effort wisely invested. There are a couple of ports that cleim to do speech recognition. Does anyone have experience with them? When it comes to speech recognition, the only two applications that seem to work reliably at all levels are Siri on iPhone 4S and Dragon NaturallySpeaking, neither of which are obviously available on FreeBSD. I don't believe that there is even a *nix/BSD version of Dragon NaturallySpeaking in production. In any case, I do have a friend who is severely vision impaired that uses that software with amazing results. She can definitely dictate a letter faster than I can manually create one. The biggest contender in ports is sphinx- libraries are used as a basis for siri and the google offering. This is apparently used by phone companies, etc. Each of which use teams of developers to get it working the way they want. Getting it to work on an individual basis... Apparently the results will primarily vary based on the dictionaries that are supplied, so it does mean one may work better than the other. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
Jerry writes: There are a couple of ports that claim to do speech recognition. Does anyone have experience with them? I sincerely hope you can find a truly useful application to suit your needs. In my case, it's want, not need. (But that's the want of gee, there's this whole list of things which might be easier using voice recognition.) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
Polytropon writes: That's correct. However, unlike a Braille readout which gives tactile information (through the reader's hands), synthetic voice cannot easily accomodate to the reader's habits and reading speed. Scanning text is not possible as the generated voiced text is played in linear time, which means you cannot easily skip forward and backward, re-read a certain passage, and you basically do not come down to the letter level, you only have a word level. You are absolutely right on all counts. I was speaking from the standpoint of the amount of work and or extra expense that one would need to go through to get the interface fully operational. Nobody has yet figured out how to build a Braille display that is affordable, let's say 100 US Dollars or less for even one line of Braille much less a whole page or better yet a graphical screen that could display shapes and possibly textures that are not Braille characters. Prices of 5000 Dollars are not uncommon and single-line displays sell for well over 1000 Dollars anywhere you go. What is needed is a way to accomplish a tactile matrix that doesn't require precision machining or hand assembly for each pixel. That's why today's displays are so incredibly expensive and delicate. There are lots of neat ideas such as stimulators you might ware on your fingers as you move your hand over a large area, but making a tightly-packed matrix at almost microscopic level is still a pains-taking task. By the way, math done by any method other than Braille is darn next to useless. Equations in Braille can be formatted very much like they are in print and there is a whole Braille system for reading and writing math. So, I am not disagreeing at all with what you wrote here, just clarifying why I made the statements I made. While this has benefits in unconcentrated reading (e. g. reading an article or literature, it can be problematic with scientific or technical text where a (healthy) reader would let his eyes jump within the text stream. The thing I hate the most these days is the lost art of the linear declarative sentence. If the output of a program is some full-screen form in which the information one wants is in check boxes, you have to listen to the whole !%#%00--- thing just to find out whether or not it worked. There are usually one or two things we really wanted to know and the rest is unchanged but must be endured to get the one or two grains of wheat in all that chaff. Since it's full-screen stuff, it is hard to pipe to a script so I guess the artists are happy and the rest of us are just tapping our feet impatiently waiting for the water torture to end. Fortunately, unix operations are still relatively free from the worst GUI parlor tricks, but I use safari on a Mac to access some Windows-centric web sites related to work and they make me want to straighten out a horse shoe without a forge I get so mad at listening to the minutes of audio with the results of what I did always at or near the last of the text and there seems to be no way to stanch the deluge without loosing the gold nuggets. In conclusion, FreeBSD has been another wonderful open-source platform as far as I can say. Many of the systems I run it on here do not have sound cards and are either on virtual boxes, in other buildings or towns and so a speech or Braille console directly on the system isn't possible so I have always used some other device to provide accessibility and never been disappointed. After all, it's unix which means one can expect certain behaviors regarding standard devices. Martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: When it comes to speech recognition, the only two applications that seem to work reliably at all levels are Siri on iPhone 4S and Dragon NaturallySpeaking, neither of which are obviously available on FreeBSD. I don't believe that there is even a *nix/BSD version of Dragon NaturallySpeaking in production. The Windows version of Dragon NaturallySpeaking is, however, reputed to work well on wine, which is in ports. One of the D-NS developers (or maybe it was a tech support person) was helping out on the wine-users forum for a while; I don't recall having seen her post there recently, but this _might_ be because D-NS is working so well with recent wine versions that no one needs help with it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
On 03/28/12 15:28, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Jerryje...@seibercom.net wrote: When it comes to speech recognition, the only two applications that seem to work reliably at all levels are Siri on iPhone 4S and Dragon NaturallySpeaking, neither of which are obviously available on FreeBSD. I don't believe that there is even a *nix/BSD version of Dragon NaturallySpeaking in production. The Windows version of Dragon NaturallySpeaking is, however, reputed to work well on wine, which is in ports. One of the D-NS developers (or maybe it was a tech support person) was helping out on the wine-users forum for a while; I don't recall having seen her post there recently, but this _might_ be because D-NS is working so well with recent wine versions that no one needs help with it. That would be really useful. Keeping that one in the memory banks... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:21:04 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote:
By the way, math done by any method other than Braille
is darn next to useless. Equations in Braille can be formatted
very much like they are in print and there is a whole Braille
system for reading and writing math.
Interesting, I didn't know that. However, LaTeX allows
writing (and typesetting) math on a pure text basis
which may be interesting to authors who are unable to
access a GUI-driven formula editor. Of course there is
another learning courve here. But nothing does prohibit
a blind scientist to write his stuff himself, read it
himself; things as $\bar{x}=\frac{\sum_{i=1}^{n}({x_i})}{n}$
can be quite easily be used if you have learned few
relatively simple things: typing on the keyboard,
using a powerful editor, the LaTeX language, and
maybe Braille. This way, an author can concentrate
on content, while the tools step into the background
and let him just do his stuff.
After all, it's unix which means one can expect
certain behaviors regarding standard devices.
As long as the devices play nice... :-)
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Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
On 03/25/12 23:33, Barbara La Scala wrote: Apologies for the off topic posting but my stepfather is blind and he wants my advice about how to get online. I have no idea where to start looking for information on hardware and/or software for him. However, I vaguely remember someone on this list saying they were visually impaired. If I'm remembering correctly, I'd really appreciate it if that person would get in touch with me. This link might help. It's the RNIB page on using technology when blind or partially sighted. The link to the beginner's guides is where you should start. http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/computers_mobile_phones.aspx However, as Polytropon said in his mail, there are far too many web pages with no real accessibility for anyone with less than perfect faculties, in spite of the fact it's a legal requirement in many countries. A friend of mine is an accessibility consultant and has regular rants about this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
Op 26 maart 2012 09:42 heeft Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org het volgende geschreven: On 03/25/12 23:33, Barbara La Scala wrote: Apologies for the off topic posting but my stepfather is blind and he wants my advice about how to get online. I have no idea where to start looking for information on hardware and/or software for him. However, I vaguely remember someone on this list saying they were visually impaired. If I'm remembering correctly, I'd really appreciate it if that person would get in touch with me. This link might help. It's the RNIB page on using technology when blind or partially sighted. The link to the beginner's guides is where you should start. http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/computers_mobile_phones.aspx However, as Polytropon said in his mail, there are far too many web pages with no real accessibility for anyone with less than perfect faculties, in spite of the fact it's a legal requirement in many countries. A friend of mine is an accessibility consultant and has regular rants about this. Maybe this can help too : http://www.brlspeak.net/ and its creator Aldo info at brlspeak.net Beni ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
On 25/03/12 23:33, Barbara La Scala wrote: Apologies for the off topic posting but my stepfather is blind and he wants my advice about how to get online. I have no idea where to start looking for information on hardware and/or software for him. However, I vaguely remember someone on this list saying they were visually impaired. If I'm remembering correctly, I'd really appreciate it if that person would get in touch with me. Thanks Barbara ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I know this is the FreeBSD forum, but there is a Linux ready made live distro that might help. It is called Knoppix Adriane, was conceived for the authors blind wife. It can be found at www.knoppix.net. I hope I haven't upset anyone for talking Linux here. :) Keith PS Re sent as it seemed to get blocked before: have changed email address. Apologies if it gets duplicated. -- Sent from Free Open Source Software (FOSS). Debian GNU/Linux ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
On 03/26/12 19:32, Keith McKenzie wrote: On 25/03/12 23:33, Barbara La Scala wrote: Apologies for the off topic posting but my stepfather is blind and he wants my advice about how to get online. I have no idea where to start looking for information on hardware and/or software for him. However, I vaguely remember someone on this list saying they were visually impaired. If I'm remembering correctly, I'd really appreciate it if that person would get in touch with me. Thanks Barbara ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I know this is the FreeBSD forum, but there is a Linux ready made live distro that might help. It is called Knoppix Adriane, was conceived for the authors blind wife. It can be found at www.knoppix.net. I hope I haven't upset anyone for talking Linux here. :) I'm going to have to dredge up my copy and check that out - it sounds very interesting primarily because the techniques could be easily adapted here :P ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
On 26/03/12 11:12, Da Rock wrote: O I'm going to have to dredge up my copy and check that out - it sounds very interesting primarily because the techniques could be easily adapted here :P On version 6; not sure if it came earlier. Keith -- Sent from Free Open Source Software (FOSS). Debian GNU/Linux ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
There may be several people on this list who are blind, meaning no usable vision to see a screen. I definitely fit that description so I will gladly try to answer questions which breaks my usual practice here of asking beginner-level questions even though I have been using FreeBSD for almost ten years. The easiest and most economical interface for computer users who are blind is spoken speach. I am not talking about speech recognition where you speak to the computer and it does things, but speech synthesis where the computer runs an application to read what is on the screen back to the person using the system. One can learn to type and touch-typing was tought in schools for the blind for scores of years before computers ever even came on the scene. We pounded on typewriters and our poor suffering typing teachers were the feedback mechanisms that told us how we were doing. So, a person who is blind needs to know how to type. Almost every operating system has a screen reading program or several that one can install that reads the screen back to you. There is a good screen reader for the Macintosh which is included on every single Mac that runs OSX10.X. I like it and the Mac's do run a customized version of BSD unix. The screen reader for the Mac is called voiceover and you can activate it by Command-F5 and then Command-F5 again to turn it off. The only drawback to voiceover is that for those of us who do a lot of tinkering and compiling of source code on unix systems, the screen reader makes listening to the stream of consciousness almost useless because it resets itself each time new output is detected. There is also a lot of really neat things going on in Linux. We have Orca which is the GUI environment and some very good software speech synthesizers for both the GUI and the command line worlds. They tend to handle bursty output from compilers and log tailings better than voiceover but you find that both Mac and Linux screen readers shine in some things and don't do so well in others so there is no clear winner. Finally, there is the Windows world. Microsoft may be actually trying to improve their narrator application to where it is a serious screen reader, but up to now, there is one free screen reader that some people like to use plus several commercial applications that cost an arm and a leg and are always one upgrade away from being snuffed out and causing their owners much grief. None of these screen readers are perfect, but most computer users who are blind end up being reasonably happy with one of them. I personally like Linux and the Mac because there is no additional charge to install the screen readers and they generally won't let you down. There are also Braille displays which some people use but they are extremely costly. I mentioned the speech recognition systems. Many of those actually present problems for those who are blind because you need to train them on your speech and the feedback is graphical so a good old keyboard is still the best input device. So as not to get totally off topic, I haven't heard of any of the Linux screen readers being ported to FreeBSD. That could be a problem for some people and not an issue at all for others. Right now, I am typing on a Linux computer running a software speech engine and I am editing this message on a FreeBSD9.0 system via ssh and using vi on the actual message file. It works great. If that Raspberry Pie Linux system turns out to be able to support one of the Linux screen readers, we're talking about a talking terminal for less than 100 US Dollars. We'll just have to see what happens. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
Martin McCormick wrote: There may be several people on this list who are blind, meaning no usable vision to see a screen. I definitely fit that description so I will gladly try to answer questions which ... Hi Martin, cc questions@ Might you be prepared to write a page for the FreeBSD handbook ? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html It could go under V. Appendices ? Having someone who is blind as author of such a page would make it more authoritative useful for other blind people I assume. I guess you could start by correlate previous posting on this thread, + add your knowledge, keeping text short linking to tools equipment manufacturers ? ( inc. a URL to the Knoppix blind version) There's been a few people who have asked me over the years, I've never really known where to point them. PS A near blind person in Germany told me a decade or more back: - each country has a different Braille !? - one line display systems in Germany are extremely expensive. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:21:08 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: The easiest and most economical interface for computer users who are blind is spoken speach. That's correct. However, unlike a Braille readout which gives tactile information (through the reader's hands), synthetic voice cannot easily accomodate to the reader's habits and reading speed. Scanning text is not possible as the generated voiced text is played in linear time, which means you cannot easily skip forward and backward, re-read a certain passage, and you basically do not come down to the letter level, you only have a word level. While this has benefits in unconcentrated reading (e. g. reading an article or literature, it can be problematic with scientific or technical text where a (healthy) reader would let his eyes jump within the text stream. One can learn to type and touch-typing was tought in schools for the blind for scores of years before computers ever even came on the scene. I also learned typewriting (mandatory!) in school, and believe it or not, it comes handy every time I have to deal with a computer. :-) We pounded on typewriters and our poor suffering typing teachers were the feedback mechanisms that told us how we were doing. So, a person who is blind needs to know how to type. A good keyboard can help here. Keep in mind that a keyboard, being a means of input, provides tactile feedback as output. So without any visual confirmation you can detect when you made a typing error, activating a motor program to correct it on the fly. At this point, I typically recommend using an IBM Model M keyboard. But the Sun USB Type 7 is also good, as it provides programmable keys for volume control, application interaction and Braille readout control. (I use those keys primarily for dealing with the window manager - no need to use the eyes!) None of these screen readers are perfect, but most computer users who are blind end up being reasonably happy with one of them. Especially in combination with web browsers, they are prone to fail. Where there's no text (as content) in a web page, there's nothing to read to the user. The use of the HTML tags alt= and longdesc= is a long forgotten art, and when Flash enters the scene to replace few lines of HTML (as for links or simple text), there's no easy way to determine _what_ currently is on the screen. There are also Braille displays which some people use but they are extremely costly. Sadly, that is correct. In my opinion this is because they are a niche market. When purchasing one, you have to pay attention to if it can capture normal text screen content. How is it attached to the computer? Does it require proprietary drivers? How long can it be used before an OS revision breaks the drivers? Those Braille readouts can be placed infront of the keyboard, the primary means of input. Reading and writing isn't far away from each other (finger travelling distance). Classic Braille readouts didn't seem to require any driver. I've seen such devices in the past. A slider on the side simply defined the row of text which was then displayed on the readout - one out of 25. I think it was plugged into the VGA chain (PC - readout - screen), but I'm not that familiar with this technology; I've seen it on a DOS PC. However, as FreeBSD's default screen mode is 80x25 text mode, it should be possible to use such a device. Maybe it's possible to get a used one for cheap... I mentioned the speech recognition systems. Many of those actually present problems for those who are blind because you need to train them on your speech and the feedback is graphical so a good old keyboard is still the best input device. Speech recognition requires training. Both the user and the system have to learn from each other. But you have a learning curve everywhere, be it typing, talking, or reading from a Braille output. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
Polytropon writes: Speech recognition requires training. Both the user and the system have to learn from each other. But you have a learning curve everywhere, be it typing, talking, or reading from a Braille output. In the case of speech recognition, that's a curve many might be willing to travel if they had reason to believe it was effort wisely invested. There are a couple of ports that cleim to do speech recognition. Does anyone have experience with them? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-Topic: Computing for the Blind
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:33:05 +1100, Barbara La Scala wrote: Apologies for the off topic posting but my stepfather is blind and he wants my advice about how to get online. I have no idea where to start looking for information on hardware and/or software for him. However, I vaguely remember someone on this list saying they were visually impaired. If I'm remembering correctly, I'd really appreciate it if that person would get in touch with me. The old-fashioned way to enable blind persons to use a computer for getting online involves a way to read text. This can be done basically in two ways: a) The user has a Braille readout right infront of his keyboard. This is usually a one or two line combination of 40 or 80 characters width, with electromagnetic Braille mountain matrices (6 or 8 dot code). This line can display one line of screen text. Which line (out of the 25 on the screen) can be selected by a slider on the side. +--+ | Suche Bilder Videos Maps News| | | | Google | | Deutschland| ---selection---+ | | | | __ | | | Search Good luck! | | | | | | | | | H)elp O)ptions P)rint G)o| | +--+ | | __ . ...| .. __ ... | .. __ ... | .. _...__ | .. __.___ . | .. __._.._.__ ... __.. | | | :::###: ---output--+ (Deutschland) b) The user uses a similar selection mechanism as with the Braille readout, but a synthetic voice will read the text. Speed and volume can be controlled. (This is also available as a pure software solution!) Most blind persons (I've met) seem to be fine with variant a) as it fits their reading habits, their speed, their experience. The input method of choice is the keyboard, as it (obviously) does not need any visual confirmation. The travelling distance for the fingers from typing to reading (and back) is acceptable. For purchasing the hardware, I would suggest to consult the web for some search, and then maybe attend a local specialized store to obtain the devices. They tend to be a bit expensive. Make sure to get hardware specs: How is it connected? Does it require proprietary drivers? Does it work with normal text screens? Niche market... :-( Now for the software. In order to get the text to the Braille readout, you need software that runs in text mode. On FreeBSD, this is the default mode (unless you install GUI tools). Getting online is very easy (see The FreeBSD Handbook), and everything you now need is a web browser. Recommendations: links, lynx, w3m. For participating in email, I may recommend alpine (pine), but there are many other powerful text mode mail clients that one could try and find the most comfortable one. Other services, such as IRC, News, or messenger services can also be used. Just to throw some program names into the wild: irc, BitchX, tin, elm, centericq. The ports collection offers a wide choice of programs for FreeBSD. Configure the OS to accomodate to the needs of the Internet connection (DHCP, PPPoE, dial-up, WLAN - whatever is present). A confortable dialog shell is also useful to quickly communicate with the computer and launch the programs that the user wants to use. Maybe a preconfigured environment (with selections such as mail, web, news, chat as command words) is a good idea. One last thing: Regarding the modern web, don't assume you'll find many pages that are accessible by blind persons. Just try some average web pages in one of the text mode web browsers mentioned. They only work well when the person who has made the web page did pay attention to make it accessible by handicapped users. This is something that is mostly forgotten today, and the tendency with rich web applications is that unrestricted access to _content_ will be less and less common. Artificial barriers are raised by teh Interwebs progammerz abusing tools (e. g. Flash as a replacement for few lines of HTML). The tendency is that it's just getting worse and worse, sadly... I hope I could give you some inspiration on where to start
Re: OFF Topic. FreeBSD and Android Development
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 05:46:13PM -0600, Jorge Biquez wrote: I am interested in learning about Android Development. I am searching information on the web, documentation about how to start learning about Android Development. Any links or tips to look at are more than welcomed. Talking with a friend he told me he is learning using some tools he found but he is running them under Ubuntu. What tools are these? If you provide specifics, we might be able to provide information on whether the tools he uses work on FreeBSD as well. If any of you is developing for Android using Freebsd as your platform. Can you tell me about your experience? Tips and advice on what to use to start are welcome. I am not (yet) developing for Android on FreeBSD, but I plan to give it a try in the very near future. My first steps in that direction will probably involve writing code in Ruby, to be packaged and distributed to be used with the Scripting Layer For Android. SL4A uses JRuby, which means that Ruby applications for Android that use SL4A should have access to the standard Java libraries on Android as well (in theory: I have not tested this extensively yet). I am considering graduating to Java/Dalvik development for Android at some point, but I am not sure whether that would be necessary (or even advantageous) for my purposes, at this point. I am interested in any information your query might draw forth here, though, so I'll be watching this thread. I am not sure if this kind of off topic could be of interested to the list so please feel free to answer me directly . I think this is, in fact, on-topic for this list. It is a question particular to FreeBSD, which is the point of the freebsd-questions mailing list, as I understand it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OFF Topic. FreeBSD and Android Development
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 05:46:13PM -0600, Jorge Biquez wrote: I am interested in learning about Android Development. I am searching information on the web, documentation about how to start learning about Android Development. Any links or tips to look at are more than welcomed. Talking with a friend he told me he is learning using some tools he found but he is running them under Ubuntu. What tools are these? If you provide specifics, we might be able to provide information on whether the tools he uses work on FreeBSD as well. If any of you is developing for Android using Freebsd as your platform. Can you tell me about your experience? Tips and advice on what to use to start are welcome. I am not (yet) developing for Android on FreeBSD, but I plan to give it a try in the very near future. My first steps in that direction will probably involve writing code in Ruby, to be packaged and distributed to be used with the Scripting Layer For Android. SL4A uses JRuby, which means that Ruby applications for Android that use SL4A should have access to the standard Java libraries on Android as well (in theory: I have not tested this extensively yet). I am considering graduating to Java/Dalvik development for Android at some point, but I am not sure whether that would be necessary (or even advantageous) for my purposes, at this point. I am interested in any information your query might draw forth here, though, so I'll be watching this thread. I am not sure if this kind of off topic could be of interested to the list so please feel free to answer me directly . I think this is, in fact, on-topic for this list. It is a question particular to FreeBSD, which is the point of the freebsd-questions mailing list, as I understand it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] The following pages may be useful if Free Pascal is used as development environment : http://wiki.freepascal.org/FPC_JVM_Android_Development http://wiki.freepascal.org/Android_Interface http://wiki.freepascal.org/Android_Interface/Using_the_Android_SDK%2C_Emulator_and_Phones http://wiki.freepascal.org/Android_Interface/OpenGL_ES_GUI http://wiki.freepascal.org/Android_Programming http://wiki.freepascal.org/Android_Interface/Native_Android_GUI http://wiki.freepascal.org/Custom_Drawn_Interface/Android where Free Pascal and Lazarus are available in FreeBSD ports . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [off-topic] Server-side IRC channel logging? (not statistics)
On 08/19/2010 06:05, Glen Barber wrote: On 8/19/10 4:18 AM, Joshua Isom wrote: So you can set up the server but you can't install a client on the server machine? I can - I would prefer not to. Compile a static version of ircII and run it from the object directory without installing it. -- jhell,v ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [off-topic] Server-side IRC channel logging? (not statistics)
On 8/22/10 3:19 AM, jhell wrote: On 08/19/2010 06:05, Glen Barber wrote: On 8/19/10 4:18 AM, Joshua Isom wrote: So you can set up the server but you can't install a client on the server machine? I can - I would prefer not to. Compile a static version of ircII and run it from the object directory without installing it. Hi, An off-list reply suggested I look at irc/eggdrop, which is doing what I want. Thanks for the suggestion. Regards, -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [off-topic] Server-side IRC channel logging? (not statistics)
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Re: [off-topic] Server-side IRC channel logging? (not statistics)
On 8/18/2010 8:51 PM, Glen Barber wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I recently set up an IRC server (irc/ircd-hybrid), which I don't see obvious settings for finely tuned channel logging. What I would like to do is log individual channels without depending on a connected client. In all my searching I found software that either: 1.) depends on a 100% connected client, but provides concise logging of channel activity; 2.) logs statistics, rather than the useful information I am trying to obtain such as, who pastes the most links, who 'smiley's the most, etc. My interest is in the useful information in the channel, not statistics; ultimately, I want to have the channel conversations archived. I'd like to do this on the server itself. For example, in the event I have to reboot my machine or the disk dies, or whatever bad event, I don't want to concern myself with missed data, corrupt logs, or a disconnected client, so I would like this to run unprivileged and without an interactive shell. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be happy to hear them before I go reinventing the wheel. Thanks, best regards, and sorry for the off-topic post. - -- Glen Barber So you can set up the server but you can't install a client on the server machine? If you put a client on the server, then if the server goes down, the client goes down anyway, but if the server goes up and you make a file in /etc/rc.d/ then the client also goes up. You can have near continual monitoring, assuming you have a stable client and you're not concerned about those seconds when the server comes up. If you want it done on the irc server you'll have to find a irc server that can handle it. But there's plenty of irc bots out there that can probably do everything you want it too and if it's installed on the server hardware you'll have as good a reliability as the server itself, as long as the logging is good. If the disk dies, data dies, that's just the way of life. You could mitigate that, but it's always a possibility. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [off-topic] Server-side IRC channel logging? (not statistics)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/19/10 4:18 AM, Joshua Isom wrote: So you can set up the server but you can't install a client on the server machine? I can - I would prefer not to. - -- Glen Barber -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMbQIFAAoJEFJPDDeguUajK48H/jGNG5pkXGKuPsnEczDzv/PR G00tZHqWPgRWCRN2zt4SOMvrhAenvfDMPDSCFiVgQ5ZrV2ziQgwkfB0Yntn12B6R OlOvlWyzzjLLDClOV98Cal284re+7bB9wt3V+zpr0JZaoNsDVgkANCMHA7/oXnhE Ul+/2AwQG9U1vhyeDdtvCUgLUIa8xGABJi9sv5BHCON80qfzOgN1W80i7Srf53mM k4vaIKaxOtZMum8O5AUzHKzO/wctXQMx0zDes71PYSS4oIWDpCt8d/1tQVDIjEXv D0DNqQy8TzL9uVF4UMSEodcvQQvs4Z/Bm4Exr8CO468V+Lzbt1QupZyf5UZmbVk= =1SuB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
Thanks everybody for the info! I'll probably go with the TP-Links. Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
David N wrote: 2009/6/20 Nikos Vassiliadis nvass9...@gmx.com: Jerry B. Altzman wrote: Do you require Gigabit ethernet or no? That, I don't know yet... but given that they want to build a solid infrastructure that will be worth of using for the years to come, most probably yes. Environmental conditions will be normal, everything will be indoor. And I *think* the power levels will be normal as well (Wojciech mentioned that D-Links have been sensitive to power spikes). I have found that D-Link are quite cheap and somebody on the list suggested them. In that price range TP-LINK is also a choice. Anybody advises against TP-LINK? Thanks a bunch for your answers, Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org We've deployed a few DLink and Linksys unmanaged switches and are working fine. The only issue with the DLink ones are the external power supply (4-8 port desktop switches), they are pretty flakey, usually need a replacement within a few months of operations, but after buying a replacement from the radio shack/dick smith/jay car..., they're usually fine. Linksys switches have a limited lifetime warranty (whatever that means) on the gigabit 24 port switches. DLink have about 3 to 5 years depending. TP Link and Repotec I'm unsure of, the website doesn't list anything and neither does my supplier. My guess would be 1 year. The TP Link ones are pretty much no frills, I have a 8 port 10/100 and can max it out without and problems. Thanks David, the warranty factor was not on my table until you mentioned it. Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
I have found that D-Link are quite cheap and somebody on the list suggested them. In that price range TP-LINK is also a choice. Anybody advises against TP-LINK? TP-Link is OK and is really cheap (D-Link is not). Buy it. I use lots of pure-100 and 100+1000 ones ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
spikes). I have found that D-Link are quite cheap and somebody on the list suggested them. In that price range TP-LINK is also a choice. Anybody advises against TP-LINK? i advise for. have a lot of this cheap things, works fine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
Wojciech Puchar wrote: spikes). I have found that D-Link are quite cheap and somebody on the list suggested them. In that price range TP-LINK is also a choice. Anybody advises against TP-LINK? i advise for. have a lot of this cheap things, works fine. 1 more vote for TP-Link - cheapest on the market ! Peter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
A vote for C-net devices. Pretty cheap and I can't recall any troubles caused by 'em. -- Best regards, Jeff | Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ... | | Xorg.conf(5)| ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
Nikos, My list of priorities, with 1 being the most important. 1. Price 2. Stability As the price is the most important for you, buy any cheap switch. Now I have had satisfaction with Dlink and Compex, maybe not among the cheapest, but still cheap. I have had some working for 6 or 7 years non stop. I would not use them as core switch, but as satellite switches they do OK. 3. No smart features 4. STP support STP is definitely a smart feature, it comes with higher models only. Bests, Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
On Fri,06/19/09 [17:31:49], Olivier Nicole wrote: Nikos, My list of priorities, with 1 being the most important. 1. Price 2. Stability As the price is the most important for you, buy any cheap switch. Now I have had satisfaction with Dlink and Compex, maybe not among the cheapest, but still cheap. I have had some working for 6 or 7 years non stop. I would not use them as core switch, but as satellite switches they do OK. 3. No smart features 4. STP support STP is definitely a smart feature, it comes with higher models only. Bests, Olivier I'd choose 3com. Their low-end unmanaged models are pretty cheap as well as some smarter officeconnect models. -- Best regards, Jeff | Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ... | | Xorg.conf(5)| ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
This has nothing to do with FreeBSD. I have to buy 3-4 24/16 port ethernet switches for a school. Could you recommend a brand/model? I don't know if such recommendations should be done off list? no idea about 4, but in my practice the cheapest ones are really good. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
Now I have had satisfaction with Dlink and Compex, maybe not among the cheapest, but still cheap. I have had some working for 6 or 7 years You are happy because you are using it with good power supply, probably UPS. Both (and D-Link mostly) are completely unprotected for even minor power spikes. None of them survived more than half a year when i used it of total over 10. For pure 100Mbps switches, Asus Giga-X is the best in that respect. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
Olivier I'd choose 3com. Their low-end unmanaged models are pretty cheap as well as some smarter officeconnect models. They are not cheap ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 06:22, Nikos Vassiliadis nvass9...@gmx.com wrote: My list of priorities, with 1 being the most important. 1. Price 2. Stability 3. No smart features OK, this looks like a .1Q frame, let's drop it. This MAC address is active on many ports, let's drop it. 4. STP support Would be nice, just to prevent cabling errors. There is not gonna be deliberate use of duplicate links between the switches to increase availability. Do you require Gigabit ethernet or no? I've had very good experience with Netgear 24-port and 16-port rack mount switches (not the desktop consumer models -- although they too have worked well for me). They have somewhat more robust power supplies than the standard wall-attach transformers, and the FastEthernet models can be had for VERY cheap. (I bought a 24-port model a few years back for just about USD 100.) I've had Netgear switches run without a problem for *years*. Their managed switches, on the other hand, are a nightmare, and I wouldn't use them again if I had the choice. Nikos //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzmanjba...@gmail.com www.jbaltz.com foo mane padme hum ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: Hi, This has nothing to do with FreeBSD. I have to buy 3-4 24/16 port ethernet switches for a school. Could you recommend a brand/model? I don't know if such recommendations should be done off list? Netgear - really cheap, no problems with them if inside(normal humidity and temperature). Peter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
Linksys, DLink, etc. Cheap is cheap - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Nikos Vassiliadis nvass9...@gmx.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Fri Jun 19 09:45:22 2009 Subject: Re: off topic: unmanageable switch? Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: Hi, This has nothing to do with FreeBSD. I have to buy 3-4 24/16 port ethernet switches for a school. Could you recommend a brand/model? I don't know if such recommendations should be done off list? Netgear - really cheap, no problems with them if inside(normal humidity and temperature). Peter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
Jerry B. Altzman wrote: Do you require Gigabit ethernet or no? That, I don't know yet... but given that they want to build a solid infrastructure that will be worth of using for the years to come, most probably yes. Environmental conditions will be normal, everything will be indoor. And I *think* the power levels will be normal as well (Wojciech mentioned that D-Links have been sensitive to power spikes). I have found that D-Link are quite cheap and somebody on the list suggested them. In that price range TP-LINK is also a choice. Anybody advises against TP-LINK? Thanks a bunch for your answers, Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
2009/6/20 Nikos Vassiliadis nvass9...@gmx.com: Jerry B. Altzman wrote: Do you require Gigabit ethernet or no? That, I don't know yet... but given that they want to build a solid infrastructure that will be worth of using for the years to come, most probably yes. Environmental conditions will be normal, everything will be indoor. And I *think* the power levels will be normal as well (Wojciech mentioned that D-Links have been sensitive to power spikes). I have found that D-Link are quite cheap and somebody on the list suggested them. In that price range TP-LINK is also a choice. Anybody advises against TP-LINK? Thanks a bunch for your answers, Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org We've deployed a few DLink and Linksys unmanaged switches and are working fine. The only issue with the DLink ones are the external power supply (4-8 port desktop switches), they are pretty flakey, usually need a replacement within a few months of operations, but after buying a replacement from the radio shack/dick smith/jay car..., they're usually fine. Linksys switches have a limited lifetime warranty (whatever that means) on the gigabit 24 port switches. DLink have about 3 to 5 years depending. TP Link and Repotec I'm unsure of, the website doesn't list anything and neither does my supplier. My guess would be 1 year. The TP Link ones are pretty much no frills, I have a 8 port 10/100 and can max it out without and problems. Regards David N ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: unmanageable switch?
Linksys, DLink, etc. Cheap is cheap You gave examples of WORST CRAP, and not really cheap. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Off Topic] question for UML users
On April 29, 2009, Andrew Gould wrote: I need to create flow charts for analytical and reporting processes at work. I had played with the UML editor that came with PC-BSD and noticed you could store notes with the objects (very cool). Can/should UML be used for something like this? UML is a notation that facilitates communications (amongst other things). If UML helps get the message across, there is no reason not to use it. If you need to express concepts that traditionally had been captured using flow charts, UML activity diagrams and/or state charts will likely allow you to do the same. Cheers, -- Norbert Papke. npa...@acm.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: reporting attempts to access computers
Andrew Gould wrote: Yes, it's probably time to move to certificates. Thanks for the suggestion. If you realize this, then you also want to look at devising an allow-allow-deny_by_default approach for other critical protocols that you can't employ certificates for... Instead of blocking huge netblocks with your firewall (possibly causing a denial of service on legitimate hosts), it's easier and more resource friendly to create access rules that deny by default in ANY case. (Those who provide transit or hosting services can obviously ignore this). Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: reporting attempts to access computers
My logs show a dictionary attack of invalid user names against port 22. I obtained an ab...@* email address using 'whois' and reported the beginning and ending date/times and the originating IP address. Is there any other information I need to send? i don't think so. anyway - if all password are well made still there is no problem. Is there someone else I should notify? i don't think so. Most of the attacks I receive are from other continents, so I just block the network range found via 'whois'. it's good solution, mostly because those in ab...@* often simply ignore such mails. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: reporting attempts to access computers
On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Andrew Gould wrote: What information should I send to an ab...@* address when reporting a break-in attempt? My logs show a dictionary attack of invalid user names against port 22. So source of these is almost always some other compromised Unix-like system. I obtained an ab...@* email address using 'whois' and reported the beginning and ending date/times and the originating IP address. When reporting the times, be sure to make the time zone clear. Is there any other information I need to send? Is there someone else I should notify? There's no general answer to that. It really depends the specifics of the case. For example, a small business might have a small netblock and an abuse address, but aren't competent to deal with your notification. Think of a small business that has a bunch of Window's clients and one ancient RedHat system that hasn't been maintained for years and was set up by someone who doesn't work there anymore. In that case, it might be useful to inform their provider as well. Back when I used to report these things, I had a template message for doing so. Most of the attacks I receive are from other continents, so I just block the network range found via 'whois'. If you block, and your firewall will log the failed attempts, then you may also look at participating in DShield http://www.dshield.org/howto.html Cheers, -j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: reporting attempts to access computers
From: Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com What information should I send to an ab...@* address when reporting a break-in attempt? My logs show a dictionary attack of invalid user names against port 22. I obtained an ab...@* email address using 'whois' and reported the beginning and ending date/times and the originating IP address. Is there any other information I need to send? Is there someone else I should notify? Most of the attacks I receive are from other continents, so I just block the network range found via 'whois'. In this case, the IP address is fairly local, so I'm hesitant to block the entire range. There are some applications that you might want to install that can help. Personally, I have found reporting the abuse virtually useless. I use to just include the entire log with the data that pertained to the user in question; however, that just proved a waste of time. If you are using 'passwords' to access your account, you might want to consider using certificates instead. That is far safer than using a password that eventually can be cracked. -- Jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: off topic: reporting attempts to access computers
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:01 PM, GESBBB ges...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com What information should I send to an ab...@* address when reporting a break-in attempt? My logs show a dictionary attack of invalid user names against port 22. I obtained an ab...@* email address using 'whois' and reported the beginning and ending date/times and the originating IP address. Is there any other information I need to send? Is there someone else I should notify? Most of the attacks I receive are from other continents, so I just block the network range found via 'whois'. In this case, the IP address is fairly local, so I'm hesitant to block the entire range. There are some applications that you might want to install that can help. Personally, I have found reporting the abuse virtually useless. I use to just include the entire log with the data that pertained to the user in question; however, that just proved a waste of time. If you are using 'passwords' to access your account, you might want to consider using certificates instead. That is far safer than using a password that eventually can be cracked. -- Jerry Yes, it's probably time to move to certificates. Thanks for the suggestion. Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-topic: Java Reflection/Generics/Collections question
What you try to do is not a valid operation in type-safe language as Java. You can't convert Coll to CollItemType, but you can cast Coll? to CollWhatever. Don't know if this is OK with the problem you're trying to solve Merry Christmas! On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Frank Staals franksta...@gmx.net wrote: Not realy a FreeBSD-specific question but I was not sure where I could find what I was looking for elseware (Googling did not manage to dig up much info): The problem: I want to set the type of objects some Collection object holds on runtime. In other wors I have an object C with: C extends AbstractCollection, I have the Class object T specifying what type of objects C should hold and I have a method M which takes a CT as an argument. I made a generic version of C (without the type) and now I have to set it so it can only carry objects of type T. Does anyone know how to do this ? Information in programming style: C extends AbstractCollection myCollection; Class itemType; public void myMethod(CitemType myCollectionArgument) How do I convert myCollection from being a C to a CitemType on runtime so I can call myMethod(myCollection) ? I hope the explanation of my problem makes sense and someone can help me. Regards, -- - Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Off-topic: Java Reflection/Generics/Collections question
Vladimir Tsvetkov wrote: What you try to do is not a valid operation in type-safe language as Java. You can't convert Coll to CollItemType, but you can cast Coll? to CollWhatever. Don't know if this is OK with the problem you're trying to solve Merry Christmas! On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Frank Staals franksta...@gmx.net mailto:franksta...@gmx.net wrote: Not realy a FreeBSD-specific question but I was not sure where I could find what I was looking for elseware (Googling did not manage to dig up much info): The problem: I want to set the type of objects some Collection object holds on runtime. In other wors I have an object C with: C extends AbstractCollection, I have the Class object T specifying what type of objects C should hold and I have a method M which takes a CT as an argument. I made a generic version of C (without the type) and now I have to set it so it can only carry objects of type T. Does anyone know how to do this ? Information in programming style: C extends AbstractCollection myCollection; Class itemType; public void myMethod(CitemType myCollectionArgument) How do I convert myCollection from being a C to a CitemType on runtime so I can call myMethod(myCollection) ? I hope the explanation of my problem makes sense and someone can help me. Regards, -- - Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org mailto:freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Whell just after I posted my mail to this list I realized that I may have fogotten to mention something: I want to do the 'conversion' because the myCollection Collection is still empty. So in other words I want to create a new collection and fill it. However I do not know the type of the items I want to put in beforehand so it has to occur dynamically. So an equivalent question may be: How do I create a new 'C extends AbstractCollectionitemType' using reflection ? -- - Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Off Topic] Clients still not connecting to the FreeBSD mail server
Hi Andrew, Nice name :) Andrew Falanga wrote: Hi, --snip-- I've verified the same timeout behavior with Outlook Express and Thunderbird. Using Thunderbird, I was able to check different settings too. The settings should be to use authentication on the smtp server using SSL. Someone, please educate me, does this mean that the authentication takes place over port 465 and the regular smtp still takes place over 25, or do both take place over 25? I ask because KMail (my setup at home that works) says to use SSL, not TLS which uses port 465. At the server, I use sockstat and see that on IPv4 sendmail has an open port on 465. Depending on the mailserver and its setup it should be able to support SSL/TLS and unencrypted session on port 25. On port 465 Only SSL/TLS sessions are supported. There is also port 587 (again depending on the server and setup) that uses port 587 just for the submission of email using unencrypted/SSL/TLS sessions. Depending on the mailserver it should also be able to support authentication on any of the 3 above ports. I hope that helps. Cheers cya Andrew Thanks, Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off Topic: Sunbird calendar server?
On Sunday 29 June 2008 13:20:11 Andrew Berry wrote: On 28-Jun-08, at 12:01 AM, Jack Barnett wrote: She is a fan of Google Calendars (which I admit works well), but I'm a fan of Sunbird (since it's local and don't need internets for it to work). I could probably convert her to Sunbird if I found a good way to share out our calendars. As long as you just want to see the other persons calendar, Google can export a calendar as an iCal subscription, or as an XML feed. gcaldaemon might also be something to look into: http://gcaldaemon.sourceforge.net/index.html The problem that I've had is that I want a web front end which can talk to a CalDav server. Zimbra has it, but it's a very heavy install and only supports Linux :( --Andrew The latest sunbird has an add on google provider I think it is called. It will enable 2 way with sunbird to access to your google cals. Mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off Topic: Sunbird calendar server?
On Monday 30 June 2008 10:53:00 Michael W. Holdeman wrote: On Sunday 29 June 2008 13:20:11 Andrew Berry wrote: On 28-Jun-08, at 12:01 AM, Jack Barnett wrote: She is a fan of Google Calendars (which I admit works well), but I'm a fan of Sunbird (since it's local and don't need internets for it to work). I could probably convert her to Sunbird if I found a good way to share out our calendars. As long as you just want to see the other persons calendar, Google can export a calendar as an iCal subscription, or as an XML feed. gcaldaemon might also be something to look into: http://gcaldaemon.sourceforge.net/index.html The problem that I've had is that I want a web front end which can talk to a CalDav server. Zimbra has it, but it's a very heavy install and only supports Linux :( --Andrew The latest sunbird has an add on google provider I think it is called. It will enable 2 way with sunbird to access to your google cals. Mike Hate replting to my own. But FWIW I also set up Kontact-4.1-beta with the gcaldeamon and it seems to be working swell. Mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Chief Porter Fire Department Powered by Kubunty Hardy 8.04, KDE-4.1 beta http://kubuntu.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off Topic: Sunbird calendar server?
On 28-Jun-08, at 12:01 AM, Jack Barnett wrote: She is a fan of Google Calendars (which I admit works well), but I'm a fan of Sunbird (since it's local and don't need internets for it to work). I could probably convert her to Sunbird if I found a good way to share out our calendars. As long as you just want to see the other persons calendar, Google can export a calendar as an iCal subscription, or as an XML feed. gcaldaemon might also be something to look into: http://gcaldaemon.sourceforge.net/index.html The problem that I've had is that I want a web front end which can talk to a CalDav server. Zimbra has it, but it's a very heavy install and only supports Linux :( --Andrew
Re: Off Topic: Sunbird calendar server?
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:01:35PM -0500, Jack Barnett wrote: This is a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a Calendar Server that is compatible with Sunbird? Basically, I have a personal calender, then we have a Holidays calendar and my girlfriend has her own calendar. We want to be able to share the Holidays calendar and also share out/view each others. She is a fan of Google Calendars (which I admit works well), but I'm a fan of Sunbird (since it's local and don't need internets for it to work). I could probably convert her to Sunbird if I found a good way to share out our calendars. Plain old Apache + mod_dav with simple auth is what I use, and it works a treat. frase pgpYXiRT9ipb4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Off Topic: Sunbird calendar server?
Hi Jack, Jack Barnett wrote: This is a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a Calendar Server that is compatible with Sunbird? you can try that one: http://rscds.sourceforge.net/ I access it from Sunbird/Lightning from Windows and Linux and with iCal from MacOSX. I can work offline with it and iCal synchronizes then the changes. Works really great. I also include some ical files like holidays from my webserver to lightning. Bye, Matthias -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning. -- Rich Cook ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off topic: Online article DIY - kernel module
Hi there, Roger Olofsson: Dear newsgroup, I accidentally stumbled over an article that allegedly describes how to make your own kernel module for FreeBSD7 and felt an urge to share this. The article talks about ULE scheduler. Would you recommend using it against SCHED_4BSD in this context: CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPUQ6600 @ 2.40GHz (2400.01-MHz 686-class CPU) Jun 17 17:22:38 relay kernel: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs Many thanks! Zbigniew Szalbot smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Off topic: Online article DIY - kernel module
Zbigniew Szalbot skrev: Hi there, Roger Olofsson: Dear newsgroup, I accidentally stumbled over an article that allegedly describes how to make your own kernel module for FreeBSD7 and felt an urge to share this. The article talks about ULE scheduler. Would you recommend using it against SCHED_4BSD in this context: CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPUQ6600 @ 2.40GHz (2400.01-MHz 686-class CPU) Jun 17 17:22:38 relay kernel: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs Many thanks! Zbigniew Szalbot Dear Zbigniew, May I suggest that you direct your question to the author of the article? /Roger ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off topic - plea for help
In response to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am in a bit of a pinch. Maybe you could help me. I live in a small town because that is where my ex-wife lives and our 14 year old son who needs to have his dad in his life. When I lived in a bigger city I made good money as a computer programmer. But my son needs me. So I've made the sacrifice of living here where there is no computer work to speak of. My ex-wife has a good paying government job. When I worked in my field I made more than she did. In this rural setting I can't find computer work. So I get by on what I can find. For the last few years I''ve made only about 1/3 of what she does. Now she is moving 2000 miles away to get an even better paying job. I feel that I should move too. I feel that my son still needs me in his life. But there is no way I can afford that move. If I could get there I could probably get good work. The town she is moving to is only 90 miles from Pittsburgh, PA and it looks like there are plenty of computer programming jobs available there. Why don't you post a resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (off topic?) Best desktop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Walther wrote: On 23/11/2007, Predrag Punosevac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: [...] I like to make my own desktop. Sounds familiar. :-) Predrag's Recipe for Desktop Happiness: Take OpenBox3, Xfce4-panel, Rox-filer feh +applications you like like. Edit .xsession as follows Well I pretty much went this way: abrwm (evilwm) (tinywm didn't have vwindows), fbpanel, xv, idesk, transset-dt, I have not selected a fm yet... For the most part I really like it (lean and mean) but one feature that several my apps support is transparent windows but seems abrwm for what ever reason doesn't support this and will completely ignore any windows with it... so I am looking for the next smallest wm that can do virtual windows and transparency... I know openbox, ion, xfwm all can do it but want something even lighter. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSC8iJ9+1V27SttsRAjSlAJwKuH5e+KpZDAcs84aRUf5ErR6U9wCgjV5T tg8/85bPgfU31cqWeWdFJiQ= =Wfbh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (off topic?) Best desktop
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Walther wrote: On 23/11/2007, Predrag Punosevac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: [...] I like to make my own desktop. Sounds familiar. :-) Predrag's Recipe for Desktop Happiness: Take OpenBox3, Xfce4-panel, Rox-filer feh +applications you like like. Edit .xsession as follows Well I pretty much went this way: abrwm (evilwm) (tinywm didn't have vwindows), fbpanel, xv, idesk, transset-dt, I have not selected a fm yet... For the most part I really like it (lean and mean) but one feature that several my apps support is transparent windows but seems abrwm for what ever reason doesn't support this and will completely ignore any windows with it... so I am looking for the next smallest wm that can do virtual windows and transparency... I know openbox, ion, xfwm all can do it but want something even lighter. There is a very good review of all available WM http://xwinman.org/ I checked once and I think more or less all of them are ported to FreeBSD. Have you pick. Be happy:-) Cheers Predra - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSC8iJ9+1V27SttsRAjSlAJwKuH5e+KpZDAcs84aRUf5ErR6U9wCgjV5T tg8/85bPgfU31cqWeWdFJiQ= =Wfbh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (off topic?) Best desktop
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:03:14AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Well I pretty much went this way: abrwm (evilwm) (tinywm didn't have vwindows), fbpanel, xv, idesk, transset-dt, I have not selected a fm yet... For the most part I really like it (lean and mean) but one feature that several my apps support is transparent windows but seems abrwm for what ever reason doesn't support this and will completely ignore any windows with it... so I am looking for the next smallest wm that can do virtual windows and transparency... I know openbox, ion, xfwm all can do it but want something even lighter. Hello! i used ion for a while and it was pretty fast/easy to use. I recently tried out wmii and wmii is really nice. It's a bit less featureful (sp?) than ion, but it's smaller and easier to use. It's also very cool that its main (event) loop is a 200 line shell script. I don't know about transparency, but wmii doesn't have virtual windows (?). But it does have a very neat tagging system where each window has (a set of) tags. You can select tags to view and you will only have the windows with that tag on the screen. i like it very much! =) it's also not as strict about the tiling as ion, which is a plus as well in my opinion. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (off topic?) Best desktop
On 23/11/2007, Predrag Punosevac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: [...] I like to make my own desktop. Sounds familiar. :-) Predrag's Recipe for Desktop Happiness: Take OpenBox3, Xfce4-panel, Rox-filer feh +applications you like like. Edit .xsession as follows I prefer ion3 as tiling window manager, no panel, and ROX filer. I use keyboard shortcuts for the applications I really need frequently, and I use ion3s internal launcher for the rest. [...] Generally, there is no such thing as the best desktop. The question is: what desktop/window manger makes you happy? I used Gnome for quite some time, while I never liked KDE that much. Nowaday, after I decided to drop any Desktop for my own configuration, I found KDE applications to be more stable and advanced compared to most GTK2-Apps. As a matter of fact I don't like the desktop paradigma. People should care about getting there tasks done, without having to choose one Desktop Environment because it contains applications that are suitable. So either you just install one Desktop Environment and you stick to it, or you'll end up having all libraries and dependencies installed anyway. What was that audio player called that is currently developed for Gnome the one that aims to be like Amarok? Okay, this is OT for this thread, and I start to rant anyway. Hey, I could continue with crazy library dependencies. But I will stop here. ;-) So take your time, look around. You sometimes find a LiveCD with a Desktop Environment, so you might be able to try them without polluting your system (and dealing with removing all dependencies you don't need anymore). Saves you some build time, too. Regards Christian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (off topic?) Best desktop
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
I have used gnome for several years now after finding kde lacking in
features but just tried kde and have to say I like the programs it
comes with (but I find gnome easier to use) I also know there are
other desktops out there (as being defined as a something more then a
high end window manager)... which is best? My work load is that of a
typical business owner and CS grad student/Java developer plus acting
as my TV (don't have one and don't have any kind of reception [too far
in the country {and do not which to have cable}]) via dl'ed shows
I like to make my own desktop.
Predrag's Recipe for Desktop Happiness:
Take OpenBox3, Xfce4-panel, Rox-filer feh +applications you like like.
Edit .xsession as follows
feh --bg-scale /path to wall paper image xfce4-panel exec openbox
After you have all the applications you like fill in the Openbox menu
using the application
menumaker as follows mmaker openbox.
edit your /etc/ttys as
ttyv8 /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon xterm on secure
Restart your computer
You will be greeted by X desktop manager. When you log into your
.xsession you will have xfce-panel, openbox as WM,
Rox as you file manager and beautiful wallpaper set by feh.
Applications would be cheery picked by you so there is no worry that you
will have any that you do not like it.
You can further customized XDM front page and xterm. I prefer xterm to
any other terminal as it is lightest. I do agree that is somewhat
tricky to customize for a noob.
Above desktop is about as light and responsive as it gets. If you want
even lighter forget about xfce4-panel.
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Re: (off topic?) Best desktop
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
I have used gnome for several years now after finding kde lacking in
features but just tried kde and have to say I like the programs it
comes with (but I find gnome easier to use) I also know there are
other desktops out there (as being defined as a something more then a
high end window manager)... which is best? My work load is that of a
typical business owner and CS grad student/Java developer plus acting
as my TV (don't have one and don't have any kind of reception [too far
in the country {and do not which to have cable}]) via dl'ed shows
Although i am a Gentoo Linux user in terms of my desktop system I've
found XFCE4 to be very nice, it is very lightweight and and fairly
customizable. It comes with a few basic applications such as an gui
archiving tool and text pad(called mousepad), and some other basic
things, however it is not as involved in terms of included applications
as either Gnome or KDE. It is build around the gtk toolkit and so most
Gnome applications fit into place perfectly, however it is more a matter
of picking and choosing the applications that you prefer rather than
using the ones that come standard with the DE.
Dylan
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Re: (off topic?) Best desktop
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:42:40 +
Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have used gnome for several years now after finding kde lacking in
features but just tried kde and have to say I like the programs it
comes with (but I find gnome easier to use) I also know there are
other desktops out there (as being defined as a something more then a
high end window manager)... which is best?
[...]
Hi Aryeh,
i think you will get so many answers about this question... :D
I for one used to run fwvm2 under linux back in 95, then KDE... but since then
I got a bit tired of the endless new tools for kde or gnome or this or that..
(eg, KDE front end for mplayer...what's wrong with mplayer, or gmplayer? )
anyway...
I've been using XFCE4 for a while. it's GTK-2 based, so most gnome apps work
out the box without installing the whole shebbang. And then, i just install the
apps that are useful to me, not what the KDE team decided to bundle in. (yes,
there are segregated by packages...but i just feel like back in Windows...all
that stuff you know you won't ever use...
(for that matter, i barely install XFCE own tools... rxvt is far more stable
than Terminal, beep / xmms / gmplayer / xine work better than xfce's media
player)..
What I did for a while is have all the desktops installed and use them under
different users, to see how they compared. KDE / Gnome felt quite sluggish
compared to XFCE. this may not be a problem for you, though.
good luck,
B
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Re: (off topic?) Best desktop
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:06:54 +1100 Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one used to run fwvm2 under linux back in 95, then KDE... but since then I got a bit tired of the endless new tools for kde or gnome or this or that.. (eg, KDE front end for mplayer...what's wrong with mplayer, or gmplayer? I've found kmplayer+konquerer to best way of playing embedded media on websites. It can be switched between a xine and mplayer backends but consistently performs better than either the gxine or mplayer plugins for firefox. And by better, I mean it often works well on sites where I can't see anything on firefox. On the other when I double-click on a movie file, ordinary mplayer comes up - KDE is very configurable. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Off Topic] Vista Sucks! (Was: Re: best way to run vista inside freebsd)
Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Dear Vista, On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 18:02 +, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: I want to run vista (windows) on my freebsd (amd64) machine without rebooting what is better wine or an vm emulator (if so which one... I know how to use vmware but never done so on a *nix machine) Vista! You have no UTF-8 based locales (eg., bn_BD.UTF8), so you are really useless. Resign yourself, please ;; Has it ever occured to your (closed) mind that people may have different goals then you do ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Off Topic] Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
David Benfell wrote: On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:23:48 +0100, Benjamin A'Lee wrote: Unfortunately, Firefox isn't always an option, especially on e.g. corporate networks. Actually, I believe it is. I run around with a memory stick (well, actually, two of them, but only because I never really got my act together) loaded with software to make Windows at least partly useful. Firefox is one of the programs I typically have loaded on this stick. This avoids installing Firefox on every Windows system I encounter. You can even go a step farther and put FreeBSD on a stick (though to have anything usable you will need 8 to 10 gb [assuming gnome/firefox/thunderbird/openoffice]) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (off-topic) Outlook 2003 msgids causing odd email problems
Replying to myself,
On Tuesday 11 September 2007 12:20, Jonathan McKeown wrote:
After much scratching of head and tearing of hair, I have finally found two
provable instances - one in Cyrus and one in Mailman - of replies to
messages being sent using Microsoft Outlook Service Pack 2, where Outlook
has given the reply the same message-id as the message it is replying to -
in flat violation of RFC{2}822. (In one case the original message, the
read-receipt automatically generated by Outlook, the reply, and the forward
of the reply sent when the reply didn't arrive, all had the same msg-id).
After further investigation, it appears that the message-id generated by
Outlook 2003 has the originating host name on the RHS (after the @), unless
the sending machine is a member of a Server 2003 AD domain in which case the
domain name is used which increases the risk of a collision (especially if
the LHS is copied!).
Jonathan
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RE: (off-topic) Outlook 2003 msgids causing odd email problems
Yeah Outlook Express did that when it forwarded messages I forgot
the version - it screwed up spamassassin, I filed a bug, bug finally
got a workaround added.
File a bug with mailman and cyrus dev. teams, maybe they can
work around it. At least get it documented. And call Microsoft
tech support and complain. Microsoft does not charge for tech
support incidents where a bug is reported.
Ted
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Subject: (off-topic) Outlook 2003 msgids causing odd email problems
I'm raising this here in case anyone else has either seen this
problem and has
any thoughts, or alternatively has experienced the fallout and is
wondering
why.
Over the last few weeks I've had complaints that email messages are going
astray. This has happened in Cyrus imapd on delivery, and in
Mailman, where
archiving of posts is sometimes broken.
After much scratching of head and tearing of hair, I have finally
found two
provable instances - one in Cyrus and one in Mailman - of replies
to messages
being sent using Microsoft Outlook Service Pack 2, where Outlook
has given
the reply the same message-id as the message it is replying to - in flat
violation of RFC{2}822. (In one case the original message, the
read-receipt
automatically generated by Outlook, the reply, and the forward of
the reply
sent when the reply didn't arrive, all had the same msg-id).
As far as I can tell this behaviour was introduced by SP2; the Web says
Outlook 2003 before that didn't add message-ids at all.
I've now set
duplicatesuppression no
in imapd.conf which seems to be addressing the problem of lmtpd
discarding the
``duplicate'' messages. Mailman is another issue.
I haven't seen any discussion of this problem on the Web: has anyone else
encountered it? Better yet, does anyone have a fix (on the
Microsoft side)?
Jonathan
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Re: off-topic: video web hosting questions
Firstl..how much Netapp can you afford?:) Id start here: http://www.sitepoint.com/ On 12/17/06, Malcolm Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where can I ask questions about the web hosting? I am being asked to set-up a web site that will deliver video, a youTube wannabe :-) So I'd like visit a forum that discusses such things malcolm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off-Topic
Pietro Cerutti wrote: I'm for this one: The best way to accellerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s^2 by Roland It's wonderful! -- Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I like it too, but: [502] Wed 14.Dec.2005 2:03:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/usr/src/games/fortune/datfiles] grep m/s * fortunes:m/s will give us a gravity of one Earth normal. We wouldn't even need to I think we need someone with a commit bit to get it in the fortune datfiles before 6.1-RELEASE ;-) :D Kevin Kinsey -- I'd like to see the government get out of war altogether and leave the whole field to private industry. -- Joseph Heller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off-Topic
Pietro Cerutti wrote: I'm for this one: The best way to accellerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s^2 by Roland It's wonderful! I concur. Physics is fun (I know, I'm sick), so I'd add to that: For best results, continue until the PC's speed exceeds 11.2 km/s. 8D ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off-Topic
On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 09:35:18PM +, Uncle Deejy-Pooh wrote: We've another contender for the 'Signature-of-the-Forum' award. This one spotted from Jayesh Jayan: The box said Requires Windows 95, NT, or better, so I installed Linux. Although I'm SURE it should read . FreeBSD ! But, still in No1 spot: Windows: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are you guys coming or what? A few choicy ones: I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. C:\WINDOWS C:\WINDOWS\GO C:\PC\CRAWL Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate! For a new monitor, nail here: [x] Unix was not designed to stop people from doing stupid things, because that would also stop them from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Windows caters to everyone as though they are idiots. UNIX makes no such assumption. It assumes you know what you are doing, and presents the challenge of figuring it out for yourself if you don't. MCSE: Must Consult Someone Experienced The No. 1 remote administration tool for Windows NT is a car. The best way to accellerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s^2 Unix _is_ user-friendly. It's just a little picky about who it's friends are. When in doubt, use brute force -- Ken Thompson Roland -- R.F.Smith (http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/) Please send e-mail as plain text. public key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt pgppJtTjdzl1K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Off-Topic
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:56:47 +0100 Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 09:35:18PM +, Uncle Deejy-Pooh wrote: We've another contender for the 'Signature-of-the-Forum' award. This one spotted from Jayesh Jayan: The box said Requires Windows 95, NT, or better, so I installed Linux. Although I'm SURE it should read . FreeBSD ! But, still in No1 spot: Windows: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are you guys coming or what? A few choicy ones: I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. C:\WINDOWS C:\WINDOWS\GO C:\PC\CRAWL Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate! For a new monitor, nail here: [x] Unix was not designed to stop people from doing stupid things, because that would also stop them from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Windows caters to everyone as though they are idiots. UNIX makes no such assumption. It assumes you know what you are doing, and presents the challenge of figuring it out for yourself if you don't. MCSE: Must Consult Someone Experienced The No. 1 remote administration tool for Windows NT is a car. The best way to accellerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s^2 Unix _is_ user-friendly. It's just a little picky about who it's friends are. When in doubt, use brute force -- Ken Thompson Roland FreeBSD is as easy as 1 + 1 = 10 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off-Topic
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Roland Smith thusly... Unix _is_ user-friendly. It's just a little picky about who it's friends are. That is due to Tollef Fog Heen ... http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.maint.boot/message/a5ad57a7694c5549?dmode=source - Parv -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off-Topic
I'm for this one: The best way to accellerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s^2 by Roland It's wonderful! -- Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beansidhe - SwiSS Death / Thrash Metal www.beansidhe.ch Windows: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are you guys coming or what? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OFF-TOPIC but ... you will laugh !!
This is not funny at all since Windows viruses often use these reserved DOS devices to hide themselves, see the following: http://www.seifried.org/security/advisories/kssa-010.html Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Aggelos Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:31 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: OFF-TOPIC but ... you will laugh !! An Indian discovered that nobody can create a FOLDER anywhere named as con. This is something pretty cool...and unbelievable... At Microsoft the whole Team, including Bill Gates, couldn't answer why this happened! Try it out yourself... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
