RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DAve Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:29 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Don't wonder if qmail has flaws, go to CERT.org and search first for Sendmail, then Postfix, then Exim, then qmail. To say Anyone who even thinks that a piece of software that it 6 years old has no flaws had best re-think this., is simply FUD. He said no flaws, cert.org and friends only track security flaws, not other kinds of flaws. And cert.org and friends are only as good as the reports submitted to them. I would offer the suggestion that if every mail admin out there using qmail was not a mail expert, that it is unlikely that security flaws would be noticed or reported. In the last analysis, the absense of a particular piece of software from a security notification list is NOT proof that the software has no security flaws. You cannot prove a negative in this case. Ted PS I routinely use 6 year old software myself. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Thanks a lot for all your suggestions! I will probably still start from exim but at least I know now that the choice is not that critical, especially for a small home server. Thanks again, Andrey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions - OT answer
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 20:40 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] exclaimed Las Cucarachas entran, Pero no pueden salir, and then rambled on saying with: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:28:59 -0400 From: DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mail server setup questions To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Bill Vermillion wrote: [much deleted to make just one OT comment - wjv] Dave said: We use Sendmail on our gateways for it's excellent milter support and versatile configuration. It has more knobs than a recording studio. Before I became self-employed in the computer arena I was a recording engineer. The Sphere Eclipse C [that I had a lot of input on the layout] had over 3000 knobs/switches on it's 12-foot width. [weight just under 2000 pounds] And the front panel alignment adjustments on my Studer A-800 24-track totalled about 800. The vast majority were used only for initial setups. Of course will all the options under Sendmail I suspect that you could get close to that number. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: Jim Stapleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:04 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Nikola Lecic; Russell E. Meek; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions I would submit you think you do. For example, are you planning on putting a webmail interface on the server? A lot of people do. Well if you do and you put a scrap of CGI on there that has a hole in it a spammer can come along and cause that to relay mail from incoming http right into your mail queue. He doesen't need root access to do this. I have never stated interest in putting web mail up in my to-do list, and in fact, have explicitly stated at least once, I've no intention of doing that. To be blunt, I don't trust it. I only use it for things on which I don't care about the security (ex. reading mailing lists). I care about the security of my server. The usual procedure if you want to make webmail secure is to field the webmail server on a separate box. (that is what we do) Just about all webmail interfaces I've tried use IMAP or POP3 to communicate with the mailserver, in fact, very few can read the mailboxes directly. There are other reasons you might want to run a webinterface on the mailserver, however. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric Crist Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:21 PM To: Andrey Shuvikov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:05 PMSep 5, 2007, Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Andrey, I can't speak of exim or qmail, but I had used sendmail for nearly 10 years before switching to postfix. I switched was for support of virtual mail boxes, and better support for IMAP. Just a quick nit to pick here - delivering to virtual mailboxes is the job of the local delivery agent, not Sendmail. Many people have written scripts that deliver mail to mySQL databases, etc. to support virtual mailboxes, that work with Sendmail just fine. The IMAP server also has nothing whatsoever to do with sendmail, or any mail transfer agent for that matter. By definition, it's a completely separate server. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: Nikola Lecic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:20 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Russell E. Meek; Jim Stapleton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:22:12 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. Congratulations. Thanks! Much appreciated! Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikola Lecic Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:13 AM To: Jerry McAllister Cc: Eray Aslan; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: mail server setup questions I'm very disappointed that more official people on this list didn't say something like Ted, please respect our users from all countries, including those two countries you have mentioned Perhaps the silence might give you pause to consider? Very likely no one else considers themselves offended. Very likely that is because it was obvious to everyone else that no offense was ever intended. Very likely because everyone else also assumed that the idea of permitting non-nuclear states to buy nuclear warheads was universally regarded as a bad idea, and thus grasped the mailserver comparison instantly. Very likely because nobody understands what the problem is in the first place. That would include me, by the way. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:12 PM To: Andrey Shuvikov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Exim is a capable mailer as is postfix. I think its mostly a matter of preference but I havent delved into Exim too much. Personally I run Postfix and Dovecot for my mail server setup. Roundcube does a nice job in providing a front end on the web for Dovecot. Roundcube has an interesting Macalike interface (Mac users love it) but it has it's problems. For one thing it doesen't display properly on many web browsers. Unfortunately, with webmail interfaces, you have to pick the problems you want to deal with, none of them are without warts. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:37:11AM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400 Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. I suppose it is suitable for people who like puzzles (as in What patches do I need to make this do something useful? or What third-party tool do I need to make sense out of these awful log files?) and who don't mind inflicting lots of unnecessary secondary spam on the rest of the world. Yes, I know there are _supposed_ to be patches that fix that problem, but (a) the one I've seen in action doesn't work very well, and (b) you shouldn't need to apply third-party patches to your mail server to make it do what it is supposed to do in the first place. I second all these points. I think it's probably better to use sendmail than qmail. Sendmail at least supports most (all?) SMTP / antispam related features, it is well documented , and configurable to the extreme (with the caveat that its configuration may be a bit daunting to the un-initiated :D). I just realised that qmail appears over and over in Linux distros, or at least on linux servers i've had to suffer... not sure the relationship there (in design / philosophy...)... and I am really NOT wanting to start a flame war. Just a thought that crossed my mind as I was reading this thread. I haven't seen enough production FreeBSD systems set up by others to have any impressions about whether Linux admins are more likely to use Qmail than FreeBSD admins. I do get the impression, however, that the Linux admins who choose Qmail tend to do so for much the same reason that MS Windows admins choose Exchange: they think it's easier, that setting it up is just a plug-and-play, point-and-click sort of exercise. The fact that it's sending and receiving emails within a couple hours (starting from a clean box) seems to be the sum total of their metric for ease of setup, and all the hassle and annoyance that follows doesn't even enter into it. Just as MS Exchange basically requires its own admin, but nobody cares for purposes of judging how easy it is as long as the thing is minimally running within a couple hours, Qmail is an invitation for disaster -- but nobody cares as long as they can judge it by its security and stability statistics in a default (if essentially useless) configuration, and as long as they can configure it via some kind of point-and-click web interface. That's my experience, anyway. If Qmail is more common among Linux admins, I tend to guess Webmin probably is as well. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] McCloctnick the Lucid: The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hopping when a rock or a club will do. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 05:23:13AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikola Lecic Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:13 AM To: Jerry McAllister Cc: Eray Aslan; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: mail server setup questions I'm very disappointed that more official people on this list didn't say something like Ted, please respect our users from all countries, including those two countries you have mentioned Perhaps the silence might give you pause to consider? Very likely no one else considers themselves offended. Very likely that is because it was obvious to everyone else that no offense was ever intended. Very likely because everyone else also assumed that the idea of permitting non-nuclear states to buy nuclear warheads was universally regarded as a bad idea, and thus grasped the mailserver comparison instantly. Very likely because nobody understands what the problem is in the first place. That would include me, by the way. . . . or maybe it's because this line of discussion looks ridiculous from both sides. Seriously. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] W. Somerset Maugham: The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On 9/5/07, Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:37:11AM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400 Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. [...] I just realised that qmail appears over and over in Linux distros, or at least on linux servers i've had to suffer... not sure the relationship there (in design / philosophy...)... and I am really NOT wanting to start a flame war. Just a thought that crossed my mind as I was reading this thread. About five or seven years ago when sendmail was having a lot of security problems and people were looking for alternatives, qmail was reasonably well established and was widely recommended. So a lot of people switched to it (including the place where I now work), including several Linux distros. We were never very happy with it here, and I suspect that the reason it has such a following in the Linux world is either that they have never used an alternative (same reason Windows has so many fans), or to abandon it and move to something else would cause a sort of cognitive dissonance that prevents it from happening. I haven't seen enough production FreeBSD systems set up by others to have any impressions about whether Linux admins are more likely to use Qmail than FreeBSD admins. I do get the impression, however, that the Linux admins who choose Qmail tend to do so for much the same reason that MS Windows admins choose Exchange: they think it's easier, that setting it up is just a plug-and-play, point-and-click sort of exercise. The fact that it's sending and receiving emails within a couple hours (starting from a clean box) seems to be the sum total of their metric for ease of setup, and all the hassle and annoyance that follows doesn't even enter into it. For those people I recommend Courier. It was designed to be a drop-in replacement for Qmail, but without most of the flaws. The configuration files, for instance, are mostly the same. The biggest problem I've had when configuring Courier is that it tends to be overly determined to enforce RFC compliance and thus will not be friendly toward a lot of mail from various MS products. Find the configuration flag that turns off that behavior or users will complain about the results. The author makes a reasonable case for the default behavior (to do otherwise forces Courier to be non-compliant itself), but in the real world you have to be able to accept mail from MS products. I have used Courier at my previous job (about 200 users) and at home and I have no significant complaints. If you just need a basic server that will handle your personal email without requiring you to learn what amounts to a new programming language (as with Exim and a few others), it's a good choice. The full distribution includes a POP/IMAP server and a webmail system. Just be sure not to skip the README file, and follow the instructions for testing your installation step-by-step. I have NOT tried to set up intensive anti-spam measures on Courier, so I don't know what problems may be in store there, but I'm sure there is info at http://www.courier-mta.org I'm not really as evangelistic for Courier as I sound. As long as you stay away from Qmail you will probably be happy with whatever you use. I do recommend that you use something that supports Maildir style mailboxes, though. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
In the last exciting episode of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] saga on Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 06:27 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] as heard to say: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:37:11 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mail server setup questions To: Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400 Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. I suppose it is suitable for people who like puzzles (as in What patches do I need to make this do something useful? or What third-party tool do I need to make sense out of these awful log files?) and who don't mind inflicting lots of unnecessary secondary spam on the rest of the world. Yes, I know there are _supposed_ to be patches that fix that problem, but (a) the one I've seen in action doesn't work very well, and (b) you shouldn't need to apply third-party patches to your mail server to make it do what it is supposed to do in the first place. I second all these points. I think it's probably better to use sendmail than qmail. Sendmail at least supports most (all?) SMTP / antispam related features, it is well documented , and configurable to the extreme (with the caveat that its configuration may be a bit daunting to the un-initiated :D). I just realised that qmail appears over and over in Linux distros, or at least on linux servers i've had to suffer... not sure the relationship there (in design / philosophy...)... and I am really NOT wanting to start a flame war. Just a thought that crossed my mind as I was reading this thread. Best, B I've been using sendmail for years, once it got stable, and I moved from Smail. This was on a SysV.3 from Esix. However one day I decided to see what all the hoopla over qmail was about. So I went into the ports and ran make. Much to my suprise, qmail installed 6 separate accounts in the pasword file. This was just with a make and NOT make install. That at the very least is very rude behaviour. And another problem with qmail from what I've read is that if you send mail to several people on the same server, instead of doing what all other MTA's do - and send ONE mail with all addresses, qmail will generate a separate email for each user - putting un-needed loads on your server and the recipients machine. And the last time the qmail tar file that you get when you run make has been changed was March 4, 2001. Anyone who even thinks that a piece of software that it 6 years old has no flaws had best re-think this. The last patches were in 2003. ISTR that I heard DJB speak at a Usenix conference many years ago and I was less than impressed with his I'm better than any of you attitude. Many seem to share that feeling - so consider me prejudiced. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Bill Vermillion wrote: In the last exciting episode of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] saga on Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 06:27 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] as heard to say: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:37:11 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mail server setup questions To: Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400 Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. I suppose it is suitable for people who like puzzles (as in What patches do I need to make this do something useful? or What third-party tool do I need to make sense out of these awful log files?) and who don't mind inflicting lots of unnecessary secondary spam on the rest of the world. Yes, I know there are _supposed_ to be patches that fix that problem, but (a) the one I've seen in action doesn't work very well, and (b) you shouldn't need to apply third-party patches to your mail server to make it do what it is supposed to do in the first place. I second all these points. I think it's probably better to use sendmail than qmail. Sendmail at least supports most (all?) SMTP / antispam related features, it is well documented , and configurable to the extreme (with the caveat that its configuration may be a bit daunting to the un-initiated :D). I just realised that qmail appears over and over in Linux distros, or at least on linux servers i've had to suffer... not sure the relationship there (in design / philosophy...)... and I am really NOT wanting to start a flame war. Just a thought that crossed my mind as I was reading this thread. Best, B I've been using sendmail for years, once it got stable, and I moved from Smail. This was on a SysV.3 from Esix. However one day I decided to see what all the hoopla over qmail was about. So I went into the ports and ran make. Much to my suprise, qmail installed 6 separate accounts in the pasword file. This was just with a make and NOT make install. That at the very least is very rude behaviour. And another problem with qmail from what I've read is that if you send mail to several people on the same server, instead of doing what all other MTA's do - and send ONE mail with all addresses, qmail will generate a separate email for each user - putting un-needed loads on your server and the recipients machine. And the last time the qmail tar file that you get when you run make has been changed was March 4, 2001. Anyone who even thinks that a piece of software that it 6 years old has no flaws had best re-think this. The last patches were in 2003. Don't wonder if qmail has flaws, go to CERT.org and search first for Sendmail, then Postfix, then Exim, then qmail. To say Anyone who even thinks that a piece of software that it 6 years old has no flaws had best re-think this., is simply FUD. ISTR that I heard DJB speak at a Usenix conference many years ago and I was less than impressed with his I'm better than any of you attitude. Many seem to share that feeling - so consider me prejudiced. We have run qmail for several years on FreeBSD quite well with few problems, none of which where related to the software, it's design, it's configuration, always it was Clam or SpamAssassin binding things up. It is stable, fast, secure, and provides abilities other MTAs do not. It is our first choice for a toaster or a mail list server. We use Sendmail on our gateways for it's excellent milter support and versatile configuration. It has more knobs than a recording studio. If we had a client with just a few domains and the need for their own MTA, we would install Postfix for it's ease of use. It's rock solid and easy to remember when you come back to it six months later. If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Russell E. Meek Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:20 PM To: Jim Stapleton Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Quoting Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or better yet, SSLed POP3) connection. I've tried akpop3d and qmail, but have had less than brilliant success getting them functional. Could you all suggest to me what you use and a good web site for configuring it as it would be done in FreeBSD? Please cc me, as I have the list subscribed in digest mode. Thanks, -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tnpi.biz/internet/mail/toaster/ Perfection - and qmail based also. No, this isn't perfection. Jim (and Russell) let me point out one thing about solutions like this. Something like this is designed for people who don't know how to build a mailserver, to download some files, pull the trigger, and Blammo - instant mailserver. In short, a big black box that works as a mailserver. The problem is, however, that the only guy that really and truly knows how everthing works in that black box is the guy that wrote the black box - the author of toaster, himself. You, being the clueless admin who pulled the trigger, are not going to be instantly converted into a knowledgeable mail server admin by pulling the trigger. You are just going to be a clueless admin who now has a big powerful black box that can go kill people, just as easily as explode in his face. Kind of like the country of Iraq buying a nuclear device - they don't know what they have, don't know how to build it, and are not qualified at all to use it. If something in that black box goes kablooie - which sooner or later it will, since all mail systems have problems - you are going to be screwed over. If you have a small home mailserver with a couple of friends on it, a system like Toaster can be a real help - IF you install it, then spend months picking it apart, to learn how to not be a clueless admin. However if you install it then spend the next 3 months watching reruns of Lost, then assume you now know all there is to know about a mailserver, you are then a stupid fool. Or, if your an admin with a big string of mailservers already under your belt who is looking for interesting code bits he can steal to incorporate into his own mailservers, then Toaster is also of value. But if your just a guy looking for a quick gun to shoot a problem so he can go on to the next thing, then your just going to screw yourself with something like Toaster. You would be much better advised to build the mailserver from scratch. Sure, your mailserver won't have all the pretty graphs and admin interfaces that something like Toaster has. But, you will know how it works and the day you get a phone call and 400 users now can't get mail, you will know how to fix it. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:21:47 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Kind of like the country of Iraq buying a nuclear device - they don't know what they have, don't know how to build it, and are not qualified at all to use it. [...] Please save us from these words of wisdom. Your opinions about them and about competence and collective knowledge of world states are off-topic here. Such arrogancy and ignorance are very miserable. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:03:20 -0400
Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or
better yet, SSLed POP3) connection.
Jim,
- incoming email + delivery : postfix . Really well documented. Haven't found a
feature not implemented. As secure as you configure it (unlike qmail which
implements a lot of security by axing features, so u need to add dubious
hacks...)
- dovecot : POP + IMAP, works quite well with ssl too
- webmail : i use roundcube, but there are plenty of options. All u need is
something that talks IMAP to your imap server
- amavis-new as glue for Spam assassin / other spam tagging system + clamav.
B
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RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikola Lecic Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:41 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Russell E. Meek; Jim Stapleton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:21:47 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Kind of like the country of Iraq buying a nuclear device - they don't know what they have, don't know how to build it, and are not qualified at all to use it. [...] Please save us from these words of wisdom. Your opinions about them and about competence and collective knowledge of world states are off-topic here. Such arrogancy and ignorance are very miserable. Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. In any case, please rest assured I was not talking about nuclear weapons or Iraq, merely incompetent admins running mailservers that were beyond their capabilities. It was merely a metaphor. I would encourage you to get beyond your instinctual knee-jerk reaction against the metaphor, as it is widely used language device in virtually all languages and cultures in use by mankind today. No serious person would ever argue for the proposition that a non-nuclear country be allowed to purchase nuclear weapons, much less use them. As, no serious person should ever argue for clueless admins to run mailservers that they know nothing about. Never forget when you or anyone sets up a mailserver on the Internet you are putting a server online that can be used to cause a tremendous amount of damage to other mailservers on the Internet. It is a responsibility that should never be taken lightly. Far too many Windoze admins do this already. We as FreeBSD users do not need to emulate such disgusting behavior. Jim posted here asking for help, using words and language that gives serious doubt that he is competent to run a mailserver of any kind. It would be irresponsible in the extreme to tell him to run pell-mell into fielding a system that is way beyond his capabilities. His goal should be to gain competence as well as a mailserver, lest he cause serious problems on the Internet. We do NOT need one more misconfigured server on the Internet that is a spam or virus source. The best way for him to do this - and be a responsible network admin - is to start small, with individual pieces, and learn each subsystem. The worst way would be to drop a canned package in that he doesen't understand. It is to the list's credit that the vast majority of responses to Jim were to direct him to the individual packages - NOT to a toaster approach that would likely teach him nothing. Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic of the responses and not get hung up on attacking an alliteration or some other language device that someone might use. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On 05.09.2007 11:22, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [...] Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. This is clearly off topic on a technical list. [...] Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic Good advice. I am sure you could have written your response without mentioning nuclear weapons, Iraq et al. -- Eray of the responses and not get hung up on attacking an alliteration or some other language device that someone might use. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On 05.09.2007 11:22, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [...] Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. I thought were discussing the configuration of the mail server not your hatred toward us Serbs, Iraqis and God knows whom else. But then on the second thought maybe you are trying to teach us how to configure the spam filter. So how high should we set it? Only Serbs from Serbia can not send emails or even we Serbs who live in U. S? Are you coding now MailScanner-antiSerb version or MailScanner-antiIraqi version? [...] Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic. We Serbs are certainly hopping for that! Sincerely, Predrag Punosevac Arizona ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Please, I didn't intend this to be a flame war - though thinking back, I guess I should have expected strong views on this. This is not the place for such agressiveness. The rest of this is for everyone Thank all of you for your suggestions, I'll look at them. This is a mail server for me and maybe a few friends. I plan on running incoming SMTP, maybe at some point outgoing (requiring authentication/SSL, definetly no relay), no relay, no webmail, POP, if possible only under SSL. I think there's enough here for me to do my research and get what I need. Thank you, -Jim Stapleton On 9/5/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikola Lecic Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:41 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Russell E. Meek; Jim Stapleton; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:21:47 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Kind of like the country of Iraq buying a nuclear device - they don't know what they have, don't know how to build it, and are not qualified at all to use it. [...] Please save us from these words of wisdom. Your opinions about them and about competence and collective knowledge of world states are off-topic here. Such arrogancy and ignorance are very miserable. Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. In any case, please rest assured I was not talking about nuclear weapons or Iraq, merely incompetent admins running mailservers that were beyond their capabilities. It was merely a metaphor. I would encourage you to get beyond your instinctual knee-jerk reaction against the metaphor, as it is widely used language device in virtually all languages and cultures in use by mankind today. No serious person would ever argue for the proposition that a non-nuclear country be allowed to purchase nuclear weapons, much less use them. As, no serious person should ever argue for clueless admins to run mailservers that they know nothing about. Never forget when you or anyone sets up a mailserver on the Internet you are putting a server online that can be used to cause a tremendous amount of damage to other mailservers on the Internet. It is a responsibility that should never be taken lightly. Far too many Windoze admins do this already. We as FreeBSD users do not need to emulate such disgusting behavior. Jim posted here asking for help, using words and language that gives serious doubt that he is competent to run a mailserver of any kind. It would be irresponsible in the extreme to tell him to run pell-mell into fielding a system that is way beyond his capabilities. His goal should be to gain competence as well as a mailserver, lest he cause serious problems on the Internet. We do NOT need one more misconfigured server on the Internet that is a spam or virus source. The best way for him to do this - and be a responsible network admin - is to start small, with individual pieces, and learn each subsystem. The worst way would be to drop a canned package in that he doesen't understand. It is to the list's credit that the vast majority of responses to Jim were to direct him to the individual packages - NOT to a toaster approach that would likely teach him nothing. Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic of the responses and not get hung up on attacking an alliteration or some other language device that someone might use. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Jim posted here asking for help, using words and language that gives serious doubt that he is competent to run a mailserver of any kind. Knowledgeable and competant are two different things. If I were not competant, I would not bother attempting to get that knowledge that I lack. I don't know the nitty gritty details about exactly what and how mail servers are encrypted. I don't know all the nitty gritty details about how everything talks and intercommunicates. I do know that that any time a password goes over the internet (not just LAN) it needs to be encrypted as securly as possible. I do know that mail (and other) servers should live in jails. I do know not to run an open relay (take email from any server to deliver to any server, without authentication, and plan to achieve this by only allowing incoming mail). I do know that there is no such thing as too much paranoia when setting up a server. I know to find out and learn what I don't know, rather than to just stumble along blindly. There, that about covers everything that I do/don't know. -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Predrag Punosevac wrote: On 05.09.2007 11:22, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [...] Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. I thought were discussing the configuration of the mail server not your hatred toward us Serbs, Iraqis and God knows whom else. But then on the second thought maybe you are trying to teach us how to configure the spam filter. So who high should we set it. Only Serbs from Serbia can not send emails or even we Serbs who live in U. S? Are you coding now MailScanner-antiSerb version or MailScanner-antiIraqi version? [...] Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic. We Serbs are certainly hopping for that! Sincerely, Predrag Punosevac Arizona ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wednesday 05 September 2007 12:34:45 Jim Stapleton wrote: Thank all of you for your suggestions, I'll look at them. This is a mail server for me and maybe a few friends. I plan on running incoming SMTP, maybe at some point outgoing (requiring authentication/SSL, definetly no relay), no relay, no webmail, POP, if possible only under SSL. I think there's enough here for me to do my research and get what I need. Thank you, Don't rule out good old mail/qpopper just yet. Also, be aware that whichever solution you choose, there are scanners out there that won't hesitate to query port 110 with an account guesser, which can spawn many daemons depending on how fast your pop server handles it. You may wanna limit access to port 110 to you and your friends if that's possible or look into a pop server that can limit ammount of requests/second it accepts from host. -- Mel People using reply to all on lists, must think I need 2 copies. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 03:14:37AM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: I thought were discussing the configuration of the mail server not your hatred toward us Serbs, Iraqis and God knows whom else. But then on the second thought maybe you are trying to teach us how to configure the spam filter. So who high should we set it. Only Serbs from Serbia can not send emails or even we Serbs who live in U. S? Are you coding now MailScanner-antiSerb version or MailScanner-antiIraqi version? This discussion has gotten thoroughly bizarre rather quickly. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Larry Wall: A script is what you give the actors. A program is what you give the audience. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:22:12 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. Congratulations. This is an international project and not your parochial meeting where you can discuss the knowledge gleaned from TV end enjoy such fascinating vocabulary and deductions related to someone's TLD. Please learn how to behave appropriately before you post. (A friendly advice: _please_ take some literature lessons in order to learn what is metaphor.) Nikola Lečić, Belgrade, Serbia ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, 2007/9/5, Nikola Lecic [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:22:12 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. Congratulations. This is an international project and not your parochial meeting where you can discuss the knowledge gleaned from TV end enjoy such fascinating vocabulary and deductions related to someone's TLD. I wonder if all thread participants can relax a bit? I have always been impressed how friendly this list is. Have been watching this thread and cannot understand how it came that such a flame war broke out. Please cool down and stop sending rubbish to everyone's inbox. Continue off list if you really have to. Warm regards, Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Predrag Punosevac Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mail server setup questions On 05.09.2007 11:22, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [...] Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. I thought were discussing the configuration of the mail server not your hatred toward us Serbs, Iraqis and God knows whom else. Amazing you find hatred where none exists. Perhaps your only reflecting your own biases? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eray Aslan Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:05 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Good advice. I am sure you could have written your response without mentioning nuclear weapons, Iraq et al. Sure - and I'm sure you could write an instruction manual that nobody would want to read, either, unless as a sleep aid. Metaphors are a legitimate literary device. If your unfamiliar with them I would suggest you review what is known as classic literature Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:44:15 +0200 Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 2007/9/5, Nikola Lecic [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:22:12 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by your e-mail reply address. I can perhaps understand your adversion to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to dissipate. Congratulations. This is an international project and not your parochial meeting where you can discuss the knowledge gleaned from TV end enjoy such fascinating vocabulary and deductions related to someone's TLD. I wonder if all thread participants can relax a bit? I have always been impressed how friendly this list is. Have been watching this thread and cannot understand how it came that such a flame war broke out. [...] Please cool down and stop sending rubbish to everyone's inbox. Zbigniew, please don't teach me lessons in politeness. Ted posted two very offensive mails and everyone has a right to publicly reply to publicly posted offence. If that's problem for you, then ignore this thread. Be careful when using word rubbish. Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mail server setup questions
-Original Message- From: Jim Stapleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:55 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Nikola Lecic; Russell E. Meek; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Jim posted here asking for help, using words and language that gives serious doubt that he is competent to run a mailserver of any kind. Knowledgeable and competant are two different things. If I were not competant, I would not bother attempting to get that knowledge that I lack. Of course. The fact you posted at all indicates your aware that competence is learned and that you want to become competent. A far more admirable attitude than the people that assume that everyone is completely competent at everything and calling someone incompetent is the same as calling them a baby-killer. I don't know the nitty gritty details about exactly what and how mail servers are encrypted. I don't know all the nitty gritty details about how everything talks and intercommunicates. I do know that that any time a password goes over the internet (not just LAN) it needs to be encrypted as securly as possible. Only if there is a possiblity that the communication channel can be tapped. The phrase going over the Internet is so broad as to be completely meaningless. You can mean just about everything from completely unencrypted wireless to an untappable OC3 between providers. Most password cracking takes place on the client - all the encryption in the world won't protect you from clueless users who click on URLs in e-mails they get. I do know that mail (and other) servers should live in jails. They can if you want. However I have never done so and never had a mailserver rooted. Of course, I have kept stuff reasonably up to date - that is the other part of the issue. In any case running in a jail does not really address the biggest problems with mailservers - their hijacking by spammers and other criminals. By definition a mailserver transfers mail. Putting it's programs in a jail does not make it cease to transfer mail. If such mail transfer happens between the people you want it to happen between, then great. But if you misconfigure the stuff you have jailed, the mailserver will happily transfer mail between the people you don't want it transferring mail from and everyone else. I do know not to run an open relay (take email from any server to deliver to any server, without authentication, and plan to achieve this by only allowing incoming mail). I would submit you think you do. For example, are you planning on putting a webmail interface on the server? A lot of people do. Well if you do and you put a scrap of CGI on there that has a hole in it a spammer can come along and cause that to relay mail from incoming http right into your mail queue. He doesen't need root access to do this. I do know that there is no such thing as too much paranoia when setting up a server. Then you know 90% of what you need to know. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, Zbigniew, please don't teach me lessons in politeness. Ted posted two very offensive mails and everyone has a right to publicly reply to publicly posted offence. If that's problem for you, then ignore this thread. Be careful when using word rubbish. My apologies. I shoudn't have used the word rubbish. But please take into account that: 1. I am interested in the subject of mail server setup so I generally follow such threads 2. For the whole day I have been opening emails where you exchange opinions that have nothing to do with mail server setup. 3. I have no intention of teaching anyone lessons in politness. If this has been your impression, I need to apologize again. Regards, Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
* Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-04 18:03:20 -0400]: I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or better yet, SSLed POP3) connection. I would second the recommendation for Postfix -- and Dovecot for POP. Could you all suggest to me what you use and a good web site for configuring it as it would be done in FreeBSD? The Postfix documentation is very thorough and complete, and that is all you should need. Their website has some links to various HOWTOs: http://www.postfix.org/docs.html Thomas -- N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 08:51:18AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eray Aslan Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:05 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server setup questions Good advice. I am sure you could have written your response without mentioning nuclear weapons, Iraq et al. Sure - and I'm sure you could write an instruction manual that nobody would want to read, either, unless as a sleep aid. Metaphors are a legitimate literary device. If your unfamiliar with them I would suggest you review what is known as classic literature Come on folks. You'll never get anywhere in a flame war with Ted. He changes the ground under you any time it is convenient. Much better to teach him to spell you're, distinguish between your and you're and use them correctly. Now that would be helpful. jerry Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:28:51 -0400 Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on folks. You'll never get anywhere in a flame war with Ted. He changes the ground under you any time it is convenient. Jerry, I appreciate your good will, but he doesn't change ground. And this is not a flame war but a reaction to the rude and arrogant posts. His (obviously well-known) character cannot be an excuse to speak whatever he wishes. I'm very disappointed that more official people on this list didn't say something like Ted, please respect our users from all countries, including those two countries you have mentioned (as they did couple of times in the near past). Nikola Lečić ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Thanks, Andrey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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---BeginMessage--- Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Thanks, Andrey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a exim at the University of Arizona and works really well (but I am just a user not a sysadmin). I had the same question since I have use sendmail as my home server but I am really curious what more knowledgeable people have to say on this topic. Regards Predrag P. S. I apologize for my previous mail that was of topic but I was truly offended. ---End Message--- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Thanks, Andrey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a exim at the University of Arizona and works really well (but I am just a user not a sysadmin). I had the same question since I have used sendmail as my home mail server but I am really curious what more knowledgeable people have to say on this topic. Regards Predrag P. S. I apologize to everyone for my previous mail on this thread that was of topic but I was truly offended. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 12:21:56PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Thanks, Andrey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a exim at the University of Arizona and works really well (but I am just a user not a sysadmin). I had the same question since I have used sendmail as my home mail server but I am really curious what more knowledgeable people have to say on this topic. There is no real problem with sendmail. Maybe there was years ago, but it works fine. Some of the configuration can be rather arcane, but mostly people just get their favorite and want to defend it. jerry Regards Predrag P. S. I apologize to everyone for my previous mail on this thread that was of topic but I was truly offended. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Exim is a capable mailer as is postfix. I think its mostly a matter of preference but I havent delved into Exim too much. Personally I run Postfix and Dovecot for my mail server setup. Roundcube does a nice job in providing a front end on the web for Dovecot. Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:05 PMSep 5, 2007, Andrey Shuvikov wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Andrey, I can't speak of exim or qmail, but I had used sendmail for nearly 10 years before switching to postfix. I switched was for support of virtual mail boxes, and better support for IMAP. Regardless of the software you choose, it's to your benefit to figure out what you want to do in the long run, and choose the software that is best going to allow you to achieve those goals. HTH - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On 9/5/07, Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? It's most definitely a matter of personal preference. I lean toward Exim or Courier. Exim is highly customizable, but the price you pay for that is a steep learning curve when you start looking at customization. Courier isn't as flexible, but can do anything most people are likely to want from a mail server by just setting the appropriate configuration values. And if you just must have more complexity, you can use procmail to do local delivery for Courier. FWIW I use Courier at home and Exim at work. We replaced Qmail (yech!) with Exim at work in part because we needed its customizability. The only real reason for me to switch to Exim at home would be to reduce the number of tools I'm dealing with. Courier has the advantage of having everything (smtp, pop, imap, and webmail servers) all distributed as one package, other than the host web server for the webmail component. Whatever you do, please don't use Qmail. I don't want any more blowback spam than I already get. In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. I suppose it is suitable for people who like puzzles (as in What patches do I need to make this do something useful? or What third-party tool do I need to make sense out of these awful log files?) and who don't mind inflicting lots of unnecessary secondary spam on the rest of the world. Yes, I know there are _supposed_ to be patches that fix that problem, but (a) the one I've seen in action doesn't work very well, and (b) you shouldn't need to apply third-party patches to your mail server to make it do what it is supposed to do in the first place. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
I would submit you think you do. For example, are you planning on putting a webmail interface on the server? A lot of people do. Well if you do and you put a scrap of CGI on there that has a hole in it a spammer can come along and cause that to relay mail from incoming http right into your mail queue. He doesen't need root access to do this. I have never stated interest in putting web mail up in my to-do list, and in fact, have explicitly stated at least once, I've no intention of doing that. To be blunt, I don't trust it. I only use it for things on which I don't care about the security (ex. reading mailing lists). I care about the security of my server. -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
Hello 2007/9/5, Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? It is more than suitable. Both postfix and exim are comparable and powerful MTAs. I personally use Exim but that's because I started with it. It is very customizable. For those who begin their adventure with exim, maybe even vexim is better because you get everything virtualised (virtual users, domains, etc.) and you define your emails, quotas, etc. via browser. http://silverwraith.com/vexim/ Regards, Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 04:52:56PM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote: On 9/5/07, Andrey Shuvikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a home mailserver with imap/web access. But I was going to use exim. Several people mentioned postfix here, but nobody named exim. Is it a matter of personal preference or is exim not suitable for this task? Exim is as suited for the task as Postfix and Sendmail. All three are in roughly the same class of mail transfer agent, and are roughly interchangeable in terms of functionality. Sendmail is very old-school Unix in its design philosophy, from what I've seen. Postfix is pretty easy to wrap your head around and is pretty light on resources when well-configured. Exim -- well, I suspect it has some excellent qualities to recommend it, but my personal experience is that it's a severe pain in my fourth point of contact to configure. Exim is the default MTA for Debian, and while I was using Debian I ended up swapping out Exim for Postfix on every install after I finally got tired of dealing with Exim's configuration complexities and caveats. Your mileage may vary. Whatever you do, please don't use Qmail. I don't want any more blowback spam than I already get. I'm not a huge fan of Qmail, either. I not only try to avoid it myself, but wish others would do so as well.
Re: mail server setup questions
Am Mittwoch 05 September 2007 21:14:17 schrieb Predrag Punosevac: We have a exim at the University of Arizona and works really well (but I am just a user not a sysadmin). Me, personally, I can only swear by Postfix. I've set up numerous Postfix mail servers over the last two years, and I've never had trouble with them as to this date. Postfix is robust (I've never had an error condition that _lost_ mails, so far), (actually) pretty easy to configure in comparison to sendmail and (IMHO) exim, simply because the documentation is extensive and the directives are clear and concise for the main configuration (that's for the main.cf; master.cf, which dispatches the different parts that make up Postfix, is a different topic, but you needn't touch that under most circumstances), and it's easily extensible my its extensive use of the generic feature of maps for any lookups required for configuration options (a map can basically come from anything, such as get*ent, flat db files, relational databases, a socket protocol, and some other things which you'd possibly not even dreamed about). By using the Postfix mail filter APIs (completely different to milter, but milter is also possible AFAIK in Postfix 2.3+), I've hacked together a small Anti-Harvester plugin in an afternoon for the three big servers I administered, and there's tons of software out there that plugs in with Postfix to do things like greylisting, spam control, mail traffic accounting and rate limiting, and the like. The architecture of Postfix I'm talking about is called the policy framework. Thirdly, I don't recall a major security vulverability in Postfix for quite some time now (longer than from what I know of sendmail, anyway, but this might be my biased vision), and generally, you can expect Postfix to come preconfigured safe, unless you explicitly open it up (which isn't easy to do). On the other hand: besides trying sendmail some years back (I still have the O'Reilly sendmail book somewhere on my shelf), I've never tried a different mailer in a production environment yet, so the value of my answer may vary. I know most of my peers who deploy Debian in server environment swear by exim (I should guess because it comes preinstalled and is the default for them), but again, I recall the horror I faced when I had a look at the exim configuration of my uni when I had to change mail routing (because their exim mailserver got blacklisted, and had to route through one of the servers administered by me to be able to get out mails at all; that was a happy moment in my student admin career :-)). Anyway, have a look at Postfix, I can pretty much guarantee you that it'll suck you in! -- Heiko Wundram Product Application Development ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail server setup questions
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:52:56 -0400
Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In case I haven't made myself clear, I despise Qmail with a passion. I
suppose it is suitable for people who like puzzles (as in What
patches do I need to make this do something useful? or What
third-party tool do I need to make sense out of these awful log
files?) and who don't mind inflicting lots of unnecessary secondary
spam on the rest of the world. Yes, I know there are _supposed_ to be
patches that fix that problem, but (a) the one I've seen in action
doesn't work very well, and (b) you shouldn't need to apply
third-party patches to your mail server to make it do what it is
supposed to do in the first place.
I second all these points. I think it's probably better to use sendmail than
qmail. Sendmail at least supports most (all?) SMTP / antispam related features,
it is well documented , and configurable to the extreme (with the caveat that
its configuration may be a bit daunting to the un-initiated :D).
I just realised that qmail appears over and over in Linux distros, or at least
on linux servers i've had to suffer... not sure the relationship there (in
design / philosophy...)... and I am really NOT wanting to start a flame war.
Just a thought that crossed my mind as I was reading this thread.
Best,
B
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I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or better yet, SSLed POP3) connection. I've tried akpop3d and qmail, but have had less than brilliant success getting them functional. Could you all suggest to me what you use and a good web site for configuring it as it would be done in FreeBSD? Please cc me, as I have the list subscribed in digest mode. Thanks, -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:03 PMSep 4, 2007, Jim Stapleton wrote: I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or better yet, SSLed POP3) connection. I've tried akpop3d and qmail, but have had less than brilliant success getting them functional. Could you all suggest to me what you use and a good web site for configuring it as it would be done in FreeBSD? Please cc me, as I have the list subscribed in digest mode. Thanks, -Jim Stapleton It may be more than you're looking for, but check out www.purplehat.org and look for their postfix/dovecot how-to. It's very detailed and works great! - Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Quoting Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I need a mail server to take incoming mail, and provide a pop3 (or better yet, SSLed POP3) connection. I've tried akpop3d and qmail, but have had less than brilliant success getting them functional. Could you all suggest to me what you use and a good web site for configuring it as it would be done in FreeBSD? Please cc me, as I have the list subscribed in digest mode. Thanks, -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tnpi.biz/internet/mail/toaster/ Perfection - and qmail based also. Have fun. - Russell This message was sent securely via meektech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
