Re: [Freedos-user] Installing with no CD drive

2011-06-22 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 20-6-2011 22:31, Chris D schreef:
 Is that boot floppy really as useless as it seems to be?  Is there
 really a way of installing to a machine without a CD drive?

You'll need at least the SHSUCDX and SHSUCDHD programs to access the 
ISO's contents:

SHSUCDHD /F:C:\FDBOOTCD.ISO
SHSUCDX /D:SHSU-CDH,X
X:
SETUP

I thought the bootdisks would be a bit more complete instead of only a 
kernel. Odd.

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[Freedos-user] Thanks

2011-06-22 Thread Marcos Favero Florence de Barros
Hi Mike,

Thanks for mTCP!

I experimented with it yesterday for the first time, and it took
me just 15 minutes to get started, in spite of my near complete
lack of internet experience (except of course web browsers and
email clients).

This also means that your manuals are well written, so my
compliments for that too.

Because I am now obsessed with idling the CPU by means of
FD-APM, I tried your FTP with the DPAKBD program. It worked
well, and CPU idle time was above 90%.

And, last but not least ... the bug report!

This is about SNTP. My Time Zone variable is set to UTC+3
(Brazil). The program did correctly set my clock to 3 hours
behind Universal Time Coordinated, but on-screen it said UTC
instead of UTC+3:

  ---
  mTCP SNTP Client by M Brutman (mbbrut...@yahoo.com) (C)opyright 2009-2011
Version: May 30 2011

  Resolving pool.ntp.org, press [ESC] to abort.
  NTP server ip address is: 187.49.33.15, resolved in 0.00 seconds

  Your selected timezone is: UTC

  Current system time is: 2011-06-22 10:09:54
  (etc.)
  ---

Regards,

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing with no CD drive

2011-06-22 Thread Chris D
Thank you.  That works.  I haven't run SETUP yet but your commands do
indeed mount the ISO as X:.

In fact what I did is to boot the CD and look for the the SHSUCD* files,
at which point I noticed the FREEDOS and DRIVER directories which were
missing from the boot floppy.  So I copied them to the floppy and booted
the laptop from it.  The menu which is displayed still didn't work
though, so I had to type your commands.

At the moment I have no time for troubleshooting but when I do how do I
file a bug report?

  All the best,
  Chris

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From: Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:10:45 +0200
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Installing with no CD drive

Op 20-6-2011 22:31, Chris D schreef:
 Is that boot floppy really as useless as it seems to be?  Is there
 really a way of installing to a machine without a CD drive?

You'll need at least the SHSUCDX and SHSUCDHD programs to access the 
ISO's contents:

SHSUCDHD /F:C:\FDBOOTCD.ISO
SHSUCDX /D:SHSU-CDH,X
X:
SETUP

I thought the bootdisks would be a bit more complete instead of only a 
kernel. Odd.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing with no CD drive

2011-06-22 Thread perditionc
File the bug report on the sourceforge site bug tracker.  I don't have a
computer handy to provide better links/details.  I believe there is a
distribution option, but if you can assign it to me.  Thank you.
Jeremy
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[Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.

2011-06-22 Thread Johannes Schwartz
Hello,


I have such an audiocard, wich are listed in the soundcardfile from MPXPLAY
with native hardware access.
My problem is I have some games, I like to try with audio, but I can´t make
it work.

I looked for the helpfiles over and over, but nothing describe a soundcard
installer or so to do what I wanna do^^.

In the autoexec.bat I found the VIAUDIO row, but in the
C:\FDOS\Packages\VIAX is a file depends.txt and in there is the word wget.
I haven´t install wget because I have such a mobile Internet and DOS can´t
work with that.

Could I install wget and get sound without working wget
(internetconnection)?

I have found in the internet a DOSDRV for Audigy 1, but to install it I need
Windows, I tried to install Windows 3.11 on FreeDos drive but after
installation the Windows try to start but my PC falls to sleep and nothing
happens. And on Win7 x64 I can´t work with most 32bit applications.

Result: MPXPLAY works with the Audiocard in DOS very fine, good sound up to
999pitch in 15 seconds^^ so I think an emulation could emulate a normally
Soundblaster driver for that working soundsupport from MPXPLAY

If anyone have a idea how that can work for me i would be pleased to check
it out, thanks


Greetings Johannes alias Jareika

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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.

2011-06-22 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Johannes,

 I have such an audiocard, which are listed in the soundcardfile from MPXPLAY
 with native hardware access.
 My problem is I have some games, I like to try with audio, but I can´t make
 it work.

Like many modern soundcards, the Audigy soundcard will be AC97
or HDA compatible. In DOS, sound drivers are part of individual
games or media players like MPXPLAY. Your games are most likely
from the time when SoundBlaster soundcards were standard, so it
is not possible to use them with any card which no longer does
support SB16 compatibility.

 In the autoexec.bat I found the VIAUDIO row...

VIAAUDIO is just a tool to enable the SoundBlaster compatibility
mode of certain (mainboard onboard) soundcards and set a proper
volume in the mixer. It only helps you in DOS because the actual
hardware of the VIA chip already supports a SoundBlaster mode.

 Could I install wget and get sound without working wget
 (internetconnection)?

You can use another computer to download the file, but as said,
the file is only useful for exactly that VIA chip...

 I have found in the internet a DOSDRV for Audigy 1, but to install
 it I need Windows, I tried to install Windows 3.11 on FreeDos drive
 but after installation the Windows try to start but my PC falls to
 sleep and nothing happens. And on Win7 x64 I can´t work with most
 32bit applications.

That is a common and very annoying problem. Some possibilities:

- ask somebody with an old Windows version to unpack DOSDRV for you
- try if UNZIP or 7ZIP can unzip the DOSDRV installer directly
- run the DOSDRV installer in Wine in Linux or maybe in ReactOS

To comment on the issue with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in FreeDOS:
This is a very widespread but very unusual version of Windows 3, as
it only works in 386enh mode. That mode only works if Windows can
encapsulate DOS into a multitasking bubble. The support for that is
experimental in FreeDOS. Using Windows 3.0 or 3.1 in standard mode
is probably easier. You can also try the safe mode equivalent of
WfW 3.11, but be aware that as in Win95 and Win98, this is a quite
limited mode as most WfW 3.11 drivers only come in 386enh style.

Note that all old versions of Windows also have problems if you
have more than 256 MB of RAM, but can be made to work with up to
1 GB of RAM with tricks (reduce overcommit / swap). If you have
even more RAM, you have to tell your HIMEMX or XMGR or JEMMEX to
ignore the rest of your RAM so Windows does not get overwhelmed.

 Result: MPXPLAY works with the Audiocard in DOS very fine, good
 sound up to 999pitch in 15 seconds^^ so I think

Yes, MPXPLAY has very nice drivers for modern soundcards :-)

 an emulation could emulate a normally Soundblaster driver
 for that working soundsupport from MPXPLAY

The Audigy DOSDRV does not emulate a SoundBlaster DRIVER. It is a
much more complex software which creates the virtual hardware
illusion of having a SoundBlaster and then streams the audio from
that simulation to the actual Audigy hardware in whichever non-SB
format that soundcard actually requires. At least I assume so...

 If anyone have a idea how that can work for me i would be
 pleased to check it out, thanks

I think you are lucky that a DOSDRV for Audigy exists.  The next
step will be finding somebody who can extract the DOS files from
the installer for you and send them. It might also be an option
to ask the Audigy people to do that for you, although support of
old hardware is usually quite bad when new hardware is sold more.

Regards, Eric



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[Freedos-user] freedos and online audio?

2011-06-22 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi folks,
Granted I am not using freedos so to speak, but realize that many dos tools 
cross  editions.
What tools are people using in freedos to experience streaming audio, or 
audio playback features, like those included after tele-simanars?
Thanks,
Karen

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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.

2011-06-22 Thread Johannes Schwartz
Hi Eric,

thanks for these very helpful answers.

I will ask Creative about a package to run sound in DOS.
I have tried to unzip the DOSDRV It run but told me can only be installed
under Win 95 and 98 with VXD drivers installed.
Perhaps I make a partition for such a Windows.

I have heared that the most soundcards work with an old dosdriver for SB
compatible cards.

Have fun

And between I live in Berlin^^ and speak german^^

2011/6/22 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de


 Hi Johannes,

  I have such an audiocard, which are listed in the soundcardfile from
 MPXPLAY
  with native hardware access.
  My problem is I have some games, I like to try with audio, but I can´t
 make
  it work.

 Like many modern soundcards, the Audigy soundcard will be AC97
 or HDA compatible. In DOS, sound drivers are part of individual
 games or media players like MPXPLAY. Your games are most likely
 from the time when SoundBlaster soundcards were standard, so it
 is not possible to use them with any card which no longer does
 support SB16 compatibility.

  In the autoexec.bat I found the VIAUDIO row...

 VIAAUDIO is just a tool to enable the SoundBlaster compatibility
 mode of certain (mainboard onboard) soundcards and set a proper
 volume in the mixer. It only helps you in DOS because the actual
 hardware of the VIA chip already supports a SoundBlaster mode.

  Could I install wget and get sound without working wget
  (internetconnection)?

 You can use another computer to download the file, but as said,
 the file is only useful for exactly that VIA chip...

  I have found in the internet a DOSDRV for Audigy 1, but to install
  it I need Windows, I tried to install Windows 3.11 on FreeDos drive
  but after installation the Windows try to start but my PC falls to
  sleep and nothing happens. And on Win7 x64 I can´t work with most
  32bit applications.

 That is a common and very annoying problem. Some possibilities:

 - ask somebody with an old Windows version to unpack DOSDRV for you
 - try if UNZIP or 7ZIP can unzip the DOSDRV installer directly
 - run the DOSDRV installer in Wine in Linux or maybe in ReactOS

 To comment on the issue with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in FreeDOS:
 This is a very widespread but very unusual version of Windows 3, as
 it only works in 386enh mode. That mode only works if Windows can
 encapsulate DOS into a multitasking bubble. The support for that is
 experimental in FreeDOS. Using Windows 3.0 or 3.1 in standard mode
 is probably easier. You can also try the safe mode equivalent of
 WfW 3.11, but be aware that as in Win95 and Win98, this is a quite
 limited mode as most WfW 3.11 drivers only come in 386enh style.

 Note that all old versions of Windows also have problems if you
 have more than 256 MB of RAM, but can be made to work with up to
 1 GB of RAM with tricks (reduce overcommit / swap). If you have
 even more RAM, you have to tell your HIMEMX or XMGR or JEMMEX to
 ignore the rest of your RAM so Windows does not get overwhelmed.

  Result: MPXPLAY works with the Audiocard in DOS very fine, good
  sound up to 999pitch in 15 seconds^^ so I think

 Yes, MPXPLAY has very nice drivers for modern soundcards :-)

  an emulation could emulate a normally Soundblaster driver
  for that working soundsupport from MPXPLAY

 The Audigy DOSDRV does not emulate a SoundBlaster DRIVER. It is a
 much more complex software which creates the virtual hardware
 illusion of having a SoundBlaster and then streams the audio from
 that simulation to the actual Audigy hardware in whichever non-SB
 format that soundcard actually requires. At least I assume so...

  If anyone have a idea how that can work for me i would be
  pleased to check it out, thanks

 I think you are lucky that a DOSDRV for Audigy exists.  The next
 step will be finding somebody who can extract the DOS files from
 the installer for you and send them. It might also be an option
 to ask the Audigy people to do that for you, although support of
 old hardware is usually quite bad when new hardware is sold more.

 Regards, Eric




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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.

2011-06-22 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Johannes,

 I have heard that the most soundcards work
 with an old dosdriver for SB compatible cards.

Maybe not. The Audigy driver will probably be designed
only for Audigy cards. If the Audigy is AC97 compatible
it might be easy for Creative to also support more AC97
compatible cards - but why would they want to do that?
Of course they prefer it that people by their cards :-)

Note that an old project for a generic solution exists
and even is open source. It is called VSB and creates
a virtual soundblaster 1.0 - not 2.0, not pro, not 16.
Which is too old and simple even for most DOS games :-p

Because the project is old, I think it only has output
to old hardware such as Covox (printer port DAC) but
it shows the general idea... In theory, you could take
the VSB source code and reconnect the stream of VSB
audio data to drivers for modern hardware, which could
be ported from ALSA-project for Linux or from MPXPLAY.

In practice, such things are quite complicated, as is
virtual / simulated hardware from scratch anyway. In
environments like DOSEMU, the operating system which
runs the real hardware helps you. Still it is a good
idea to use DOSEMU, Bochs or similar source code for
more complete SoundBlaster16 emulations as yet another
ingredient for the holy grail of the universal HDA or
AC97 to SB16 transmogrification driver ;-)

 And between I live in Berlin^^ and speak german^^

Then I could visit you because Berlin is a nice city,
but actually I do not live in Berlin ;-) This is only
were I have my email address. At least I speak German.

Cheers, Eric

PS: On what sort of hardware do you run DOS, why, and
do you dual-boot with other operating systems there?


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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.

2011-06-22 Thread Zbigniew
Tried several times to use ordinary Soundblaster Live! under DOS -
and _never_ was able to make any use out of this card under DOS.

Maybe someone of you managed to configure this card for DOS? Just out
of curiosity, since I've got ISA cards, that I'm using with no
problems whatsoever - but I'm wondering, was it possible at all? That
dos utility, which I've found on CD shipped with card, doesn't work as
expected.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.

2011-06-22 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Zbigniew!

 Tried several times to use ordinary Soundblaster Live! under DOS -
 and _never_ was able to make any use out of this card under DOS.

Note that SB Live! is not a SoundBlaster in the sense that SB 1.0,
SB 1.5, SB Pro, SB 2.0 or SB 16 are, it is not compatible to any
of those DOS game compatible cards. However, I seem to remember
that SB Live! comes with a quite good virtual simulated SB16 in
DOS style driver, so as long as you run that, your games might
be just fine. I think the driver needs EMM386 to be present and
some of the FreeDOS EMM386 / JEMM386 / JEMMEX variant versions
need a special command line option to allow the SB Live! driver
to do some strange things that it needs to do to simulate SB16.
This is of course documented in the EMM driver docs then... :-)

 Maybe someone of you managed to configure this card for DOS?

Good question :-) Anybody?

 Just out of curiosity, since I've got ISA cards, that I'm using with no
 problems whatsoever - but I'm wondering, was it possible at all? That
 dos utility, which I've found on CD shipped with card, doesn't work as
 expected.

Talking about which, ISA slots are very rare now, but as compromise:
have experience with the new GigaByte AM3+ GA-870A-UD3 mainboard yet?

It sounds very interesting - all old ports AND all new ports, such
as fast USB3, fast 6 GB/s SATA, FireWire, PCIe, PCI, 7.1 HDA audio,
S/PDIF out (optical and coax) and GBit-LAN, but also still has IDE,
printer port, serial port and even floppy possibilities :-) (no ISA)

Eric

PS: Suggestions for similar motherboards are also welcome :-)


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Re: [Freedos-user] Thanks

2011-06-22 Thread Michael B. Brutman
On 6/22/2011 9:15 AM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote:
 Hi Mike,

 Thanks for mTCP!

 I experimented with it yesterday for the first time, and it took
 me just 15 minutes to get started, in spite of my near complete
 lack of internet experience (except of course web browsers and
 email clients).

 This also means that your manuals are well written, so my
 compliments for that too.

 Because I am now obsessed with idling the CPU by means of
 FD-APM, I tried your FTP with the DPAKBD program. It worked
 well, and CPU idle time was above 90%.

 And, last but not least ... the bug report!

 This is about SNTP. My Time Zone variable is set to UTC+3
 (Brazil). The program did correctly set my clock to 3 hours
 behind Universal Time Coordinated, but on-screen it said UTC
 instead of UTC+3:

---
mTCP SNTP Client by M Brutman (mbbrut...@yahoo.com) (C)opyright 2009-2011
  Version: May 30 2011

Resolving pool.ntp.org, press [ESC] to abort.
NTP server ip address is: 187.49.33.15, resolved in 0.00 seconds

Your selected timezone is: UTC

Current system time is: 2011-06-22 10:09:54
(etc.)
---

 Regards,

 Marcos

Marcos,

I am glad that you found the documentation usable - I spend a lot of 
time on the documentation, so it is good to know that it is time well spent.

SNTP uses Open Watcom to do the time zone calculations.  According to 
the Open Watcom documentation, the TZ environment variable follows this 
format:

 std_offset_dst_offset_,_rule   (underscores are added for readability)

Std and dst are time zone designations.  The +3 that you are adding is 
an offset.  So when Open Watcom parses the environment variable is sets 
your time zone as UTC and the offset as +3 hours from coordinated 
universal time.  Timezone is what SNTP is printing out.

I think this is a matter of working as designed.  I might add some 
more output to make it more clear, but it probably is not a bug.  (If 
you use the verbose flag on the program it will tell you the timezone 
offset in seconds explicitly.)


Regards,
Mike



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Re: [Freedos-user] Thanks

2011-06-22 Thread Mike Eriksen
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Michael B. Brutman
mbbrut...@brutman.com wrote:
 On 6/22/2011 9:15 AM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote:
 Hi Mike,

 Thanks for mTCP!

 I experimented with it yesterday for the first time, and it took
 me just 15 minutes to get started, in spite of my near complete
 lack of internet experience (except of course web browsers and
 email clients).

 This also means that your manuals are well written, so my
 compliments for that too.

 Because I am now obsessed with idling the CPU by means of
 FD-APM, I tried your FTP with the DPAKBD program. It worked
 well, and CPU idle time was above 90%.

 And, last but not least ... the bug report!

 This is about SNTP. My Time Zone variable is set to UTC+3
 (Brazil). The program did correctly set my clock to 3 hours
 behind Universal Time Coordinated, but on-screen it said UTC
 instead of UTC+3:

    ---
    mTCP SNTP Client by M Brutman (mbbrut...@yahoo.com) (C)opyright 2009-2011
      Version: May 30 2011

    Resolving pool.ntp.org, press [ESC] to abort.
    NTP server ip address is: 187.49.33.15, resolved in 0.00 seconds

    Your selected timezone is: UTC

    Current system time is: 2011-06-22 10:09:54
    (etc.)
    ---

 Regards,

 Marcos

 Marcos,

 I am glad that you found the documentation usable - I spend a lot of
 time on the documentation, so it is good to know that it is time well spent.

 SNTP uses Open Watcom to do the time zone calculations.  According to
 the Open Watcom documentation, the TZ environment variable follows this
 format:

     std_offset_dst_offset_,_rule   (underscores are added for readability)

 Std and dst are time zone designations.  The +3 that you are adding is
 an offset.  So when Open Watcom parses the environment variable is sets
 your time zone as UTC and the offset as +3 hours from coordinated
 universal time.  Timezone is what SNTP is printing out.

 I think this is a matter of working as designed.  I might add some
 more output to make it more clear, but it probably is not a bug.  (If
 you use the verbose flag on the program it will tell you the timezone
 offset in seconds explicitly.)


 Regards,
 Mike

If SNTP works anyway like in Linux/UNIX then the computer takes its
hardware clock as UTC. If the hardware clock is offset to local time
it will be misinterpreted. The poor computer doesn't have any
conception of UTC by itself, it only knows its hardware clock.

UNIX computers always runs UTC in hardware no matter where on earth
they are placed.

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[Freedos-user] Timezones

2011-06-22 Thread Marcos Favero Florence de Barros
Hi Mike,

I shouldn't even have called this thing a bug. It is, at most, an
issue of semantics. Because the SNTC screen message used the word
timezone, I thought it would write UTC+3.

I'm probably right on that point (just ckecked it in the
Wikipedia), but it was rather diselegant from me to find fault in
such a fine set of programs. I apologize.

Marcos :-)


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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundcard Audigy 2 works in MPXPLAY but nowhere else.

2011-06-22 Thread Santiago Almenara
 I have such an audiocard, wich are listed in the soundcardfile from MPXPLAY
 with native hardware access.
 My problem is I have some games, I like to try with audio, but I can´t make
 it work.



I had the same problem. Dosbox is a great program, but I prefer playing my
old Sierra and LucasArts games (I still have some diskettes and CDs) in a
clean DOS, and not an emulated one.

I bought like 3 years ago a SB Live! which came with DOS drivers. I never
managed to play all the games with sound. I don't remember if they were the
newer ones or older ones that didn't work well.

My problems ended a couple of months ago, I've bought a 1998 Dell computer
(~ US$ 13) and a SB16 (~ US$ 5). The cdrom was broken but I changed it with
the cdrom from a newer computer (2002).

All games, I've been playing, work excellent and unpatched (because of
speed)

I've found a computer graveyard in my city that sells all kind of hardware.
I am thinking in buying an AWE32 card which is bigger than the SB16 and only
costs 3 american dollars (seller thinks bigger means not good). Maybe
someday I'll try composing and professional audio ;)

Santiago
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