Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-14 Thread Carl Spitzer
On Tue, 2015-06-02 at 10:39 -0400, John Hupp wrote:
> On 5/30/2015 4:29 PM, John Hupp wrote:
> 
> > I have 3 old ISA sound cards that I was trying to get working in an 

a useful search term is ABANDONWARE.  Sometimes exploring that can
reveal hidden treasure.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-06 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

Just a few more tidbits:

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>
> I did test a bunch of things on my old P4. Most of it didn't work.

I've forgotten most of the programs I stumbled upon back in the day.
Even then, I didn't use them enough to claim to be intimately familiar
with them.

One such app (I think?) was Damp (WIP), an old DJGPP-based .MP3
player, but even that doesn't work on my P4. Of course, that's no
surprise since it's apparently Allegro-based.

Oops, I take it back, even he admits (2001) in his README.TXT to
preferably use SB16 or "download the Linux driver source code ... and
write a full Live! driver for Allegro" (which of course no one did,
apparently).

Allegro doesn't support DOS anymore, so the last version we have is
4.2.2 circa 2007 (on DJGPP mirrors: /v2tk/allegro).

> Almost the only thing that did work was PC speaker. At least some rare tools 
> support that:

Impulse Tracker does (optionally) work with PC speaker output, so it
works. (But it's hard to hear with the a/c running. Yeah, gotta get
rid of the smell of burnt noodles, doh! I can't cook, sigh.)

Another program that I forgot about is RealMIDI, which FreeDOS mirrors for us:

http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=realmidi

While it doesn't work with all .MID files (sadly, my favorite
MAPLELEF.MID that I found years ago), it does (optionally) have a .WAV
writer, so you can later use the (included!) PLAY.EXE to play .WAV
through PC speaker as well.

The simplistic (single-tone) MIDIPLAY works with MAPLELEF.MID, but it
assumes that the highest note is always the main melody, which isn't
always true.

Cubic Player may have a .WAV writer too, I can't remember.

Oh, and let's not forget Trixter's Monotone (PC speaker) tracker.   ;-)

Obviously it's better to have proper sound support, but (as cheesy as
it sounds) I still think PC speaker is better than nothing.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-04 Thread TJ Edmister
In the past I had half a dozen machines with various ESS chipsets which  
were (mostly) SB Pro compatible. Under DOS I would run ESSCFG followed by  
ESSVOL, and maybe set a BLASTER environment variable (or did the utility  
do that itself??? I can't remember) and then it would work. Check this  
archive http://www.hyakushiki.net/essdos.zip


On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:46:04 -0400, Don Flowers  wrote:

> I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every SB/ESS
> driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it worked. For  
> my
> modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS or Yamaha) I can  
> only
> get sound through the internal speaker, but MPXPLAY & QView work through
> the lineout - I think any successful configuration will be a compromise.
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Dale E Sterner   
> wrote:
>
>> I've quit working on it for a while. Tried every address and interupt I
>> can think of.
>> None work I think the chip is in off mode and needs to be turned on by
>> windows.
>> These sound drivers work on sound blaster cards but not on a laptop with
>> ESS.
>>
>>
>> cheers
>> DS
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:18:52 +0200 Eric Auer   
>> writes:
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > > What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works
>> > on
>> > > an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on
>> >
>> > > somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of
>> > the
>> > > drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows
>> > to
>> > > the background and they work but who wants that.
>> >
>> > There are many different ESS chips, so more information is needed:
>> >
>> > http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=107869
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_AudioPCI
>> >
>> > http://www.daqarta.com/ess.htm
>> >
>> > What would also help is a tool to detect I/O base, IRQ and DMA
>> > details
>> > without hanging. No matter which card you have, often one or several
>> > of those aspects go wrong. In particular with PCI cards trying to be
>> > compatible to ISA SoundBlaster standards of any type, failing DMA
>> > and
>> > mis-routed IRQ signals are a common source of havoc. In some cases,
>> > it
>> > even is a hardware problem (a new mainboard cannot make PCI stuff
>> > look
>> > sufficiently ISA compatible any more). With SB Live, SB PCI and the
>> > ESS
>> > Ensoniq Audio PCI, the SoundBlaster compatibility even is a
>> > completely
>> > fake driver generated virtual hardware experience in the first
>> > place.
>> >
>> > Regards, Eric
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-04 Thread Dale E Sterner
I like to play cds with SJGPlay which is a great dos cd player.
I also use PV and quickview to watch home movies. They
work well on my desktop but not on the laptop unless Windows
is there. I'm running DOS on cf chips without Windows.
I could also could use a method to control screen resolution.
The standard screen doctor dosn't seem to work here.

cheers
DS



On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 11:33:09 -0500 Rugxulo  writes:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> >
> > What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works 
> on
> > an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on
> > somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of 
> the
> > drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows 
> to
> > the background and they work but who wants that.
> 
> But what kinds of things are you trying to play on it?? What file
> formats or programs?? Are you just looking for a universal driver 
> that
> emulates ye olde SB16 entirely (100%), thus working with (almost) 
> all
> "classic" DOS software??
> 
> Allegro 4.2.2 was the last DJGPP release, AFAIK. One of their 
> examples
> was PLAY.EXE, which could play *.mid or *.voc or *.wav. I'm not sure
> if you need an additional PATCHES.DAT file (converted by pat2dat on
> Soundfont .sf2 or whatever) for your particular machine.
> 
> Heck, maybe your machine isn't (properly) supported, dunno. All I'm
> saying is that one of the few well-supported libraries / toolsets 
> was
> Allegro, so (generally speaking) it is one of the foremost things to
> test if you're trying to see if your sound hardware works under DOS.
> 
> (Actually, I don't remember if PLAY.EXE was broken / regressed since
> Allegro 3.1.2. I had put the older .EXE on my RUFFIDEA, and it 
> worked
> on my old AWE64, but that was years ago. No idea if either will 
> truly
> work for you, but it's worth a shot. Well, 4.2.2's version works 
> fine
> under DOSBox [SB16/OPL3], at least.)
> 
> http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/current/v2tk/allegro/
> 
>
http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/dl/ofc/current/v2tk/allegro/all422b.zip/alle
gro/bin/play.exe
> 
> A quick run of PLAY.EXE (without filename) shows the following
> supported hardware:
> 
> ===
> Sound code test program for Allegro 4.2.2, djgpp
> By Shawn Hargreaves, 2007
> 
> Usage: play [digital driver [midi driver]] files.(mid|voc|wav)
> 
> Digital drivers:
> 
> ESC - Soundscape
> ESS - ESS AudioDrive
> WSS - Windows Sound System
> SB16- Sound Blaster 16
> SBP - Sound Blaster Pro
> SB20- Sound Blaster 2.0
> SB15- Sound Blaster 1.5
> SB10- Sound Blaster 1.0
> 
> MIDI drivers:
> 
> AWE - AWE32/EMU8000
> DIGI- DIGMID
> OPL3- Adlib (OPL3)
> OPLX- Adlib (dual OPL2)
> OPL2- Adlib (OPL2)
> MPU - MPU-401
> SB  - SB MIDI interface
> 
> If you don't specify the card, Allegro will auto-detect (ie. guess 
> :-)
> ===
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Rugxulo
Hi again,

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
>
> I've quit working on it for a while. Tried every address and interupt I can 
> think of.
> None work I think the chip is in off mode and needs to be turned on by 
> windows.
> These sound drivers work on sound blaster cards but not on a laptop with ESS.

Just for completeness, here's two driver sites that sound promising.
If you have some extra hours one day and want to go digging around
(and fiddling, natch), take a look:

1). http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/
2). http://files.mpoli.fi/hardware/SOUND/

N.B. The second site has a (very small) "ESS/" subdir, but it does
have Win 3.x drivers (which presumably means DOS-friendly).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>
>> For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board.
>
> You could check with PCISLEEP for DOS or LSPCI for Linux or any
> similar tool for Windows what chip it is.

Presumably by running "pcisleep l"?

http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/pcisleep-2005mar12.zip

IIRC, my old P4 says "Creative", but it didn't tell me enough to know
more than that. You'd have to search further online:

http://pciids.sourceforge.net/

I don't know if that directly helped me or not. I don't remember the
details, but my P4's card is apparently "SB Live!" (aka, EMU10k1),
which is not (directly) DOS friendly!

There are various "hardware detection" programs out in the wild, but I
just don't know which ones are any good. (I've been saying for years
that FD "UTIL"'s COMPINFO needs serious fixing.) Maybe this one is
still semi-reliable?

http://www.navsoft.cz/nssi060.exe
ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/utildiag/nssi060.zip

Any better ideas?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Don Flowers
To extend the audio hardware supported by DOSSound, there is also support
for
Soundblaster cards and their emulations. DOSSound first checks whether a
soundblaster
card is installed. If this is the case it will use that and not check for
AC'97 controllers. It uses
I/O address 220h, interrupt 7, and DMA1 for 8bit and DMA5 for 16bit
operation. The interrupt
used can be changed by the command line option /I5 to interrupt 5.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi again,
>
> > http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/
>
> Thanks, interesting :-)
>
> > For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board.
>
> You could check with PCISLEEP for DOS or LSPCI for Linux or any
> similar tool for Windows what chip it is. The DOSSOUND website
> says, it is a WAV player for some AC97 sound chips, so I guess
> loading it does not help DOS games which expect SoundBlasters?
>
> I remember that I have a small tool for some VIA mainboard chip
> which claims to support SoundBlaster: The tool just activates
> that mode. However, only the official DOS driver also has some
> software simulation of Adlib / OPL3 which you can load as TSR.
> By using the activation tool, you only get basic SB D/A output.
>
> > DOSSound currently supports the following AC'97 controllers:
> >
> > Intel ICH-ICH7 and compatible (not ICH8-ICH10)
> > VIA 82686, 8233, 8235 and 8237
> > SIS 7012 controller
> >
> > untested:
> > AMD 768, 8111
> > nVidia NForce 1-3
> >
> > High Definition Audio controllers are currently not supported.
>
> By the way:
>
> > I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for
> > windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha.
> > I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer.
>
> That is not the only problem. Winmodems and Win GDI printers etc.
> often do not support "normal" command languages. Instead, there
> is only a proprietary interface to some low level device. In the
> Winmodem case, this is often a simple "soundcard". All the smart
> things to turn data into tones and back have to be done by some
> Windows (or Linux) driver, so just starting Windows is not enough
> to "activate" the modem for DOS. For printers, your mileage may
> vary - they may at least support plain text but that might indeed
> depend on some Windows driver "activating" the printer at boot.
>
> Regards, Eric
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Eric Auer

Hi again,

> http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/

Thanks, interesting :-)

> For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board.

You could check with PCISLEEP for DOS or LSPCI for Linux or any
similar tool for Windows what chip it is. The DOSSOUND website
says, it is a WAV player for some AC97 sound chips, so I guess
loading it does not help DOS games which expect SoundBlasters?

I remember that I have a small tool for some VIA mainboard chip
which claims to support SoundBlaster: The tool just activates
that mode. However, only the official DOS driver also has some
software simulation of Adlib / OPL3 which you can load as TSR.
By using the activation tool, you only get basic SB D/A output.

> DOSSound currently supports the following AC'97 controllers:
>  
> Intel ICH-ICH7 and compatible (not ICH8-ICH10)
> VIA 82686, 8233, 8235 and 8237
> SIS 7012 controller
> 
> untested:
> AMD 768, 8111
> nVidia NForce 1-3
> 
> High Definition Audio controllers are currently not supported.

By the way:

> I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for
> windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha.
> I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer.

That is not the only problem. Winmodems and Win GDI printers etc.
often do not support "normal" command languages. Instead, there
is only a proprietary interface to some low level device. In the
Winmodem case, this is often a simple "soundcard". All the smart
things to turn data into tones and back have to be done by some
Windows (or Linux) driver, so just starting Windows is not enough
to "activate" the modem for DOS. For printers, your mileage may
vary - they may at least support plain text but that might indeed
depend on some Windows driver "activating" the printer at boot.

Regards, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread John Hupp
On 6/3/2015 10:49 AM, Eric Auer wrote:
> Hi Dale and Don,
>
>> I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every
>> SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it
>> worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS
>> or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, but
>> MPXPLAY & QView work through the lineout - I think any successful
>> configuration will be a compromise.
> What exactly is DOSSOUND and what does it do? And for Dale:
>
> It is important to know what card and chip exactly causes the trouble.
> ESS made many of them. I agree that you might find the solution in some
> "turn chip on" tool, but that, too, will depend on which chip and card
> exactly you have. If your card is ISA with plug and play support, you
> may need the general (Intel?) plug and play drivers for DOS to activate
> and configure the plug and play things it at boot :-) Back in ISA days,
> PnP simply meant "auto-select non-colliding I/O port bases, IRQ etc.".
>
> Cheers, Eric

That's the Intel ICU (ISA Configuration Utility).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Rugxulo
Hi again,

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
>
> What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on
> an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on
> somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the
> drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to
> the background and they work but who wants that.

Yet another program to try would be something like Impulse Tracker. It
had various sound drivers back in the day. I need to test that myself
on my old Dell P4, just for curiosity's sake.

ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/it214v5.zip

Actually, here's some more programs to try, too. Go ahead and give
them a whirl, and tell us if any of these actually work for you.

ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/mp102.zip
ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/megam166.zip

P.S. Although the license is (AFAIK) unknown / undecided [eh??],
Impulse Tracker has actually been (loosely speaking) "opened" these
days. I'm not sure if anyone here is active enough to care, though.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
>
> What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on
> an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on
> somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the
> drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to
> the background and they work but who wants that.

But what kinds of things are you trying to play on it?? What file
formats or programs?? Are you just looking for a universal driver that
emulates ye olde SB16 entirely (100%), thus working with (almost) all
"classic" DOS software??

Allegro 4.2.2 was the last DJGPP release, AFAIK. One of their examples
was PLAY.EXE, which could play *.mid or *.voc or *.wav. I'm not sure
if you need an additional PATCHES.DAT file (converted by pat2dat on
Soundfont .sf2 or whatever) for your particular machine.

Heck, maybe your machine isn't (properly) supported, dunno. All I'm
saying is that one of the few well-supported libraries / toolsets was
Allegro, so (generally speaking) it is one of the foremost things to
test if you're trying to see if your sound hardware works under DOS.

(Actually, I don't remember if PLAY.EXE was broken / regressed since
Allegro 3.1.2. I had put the older .EXE on my RUFFIDEA, and it worked
on my old AWE64, but that was years ago. No idea if either will truly
work for you, but it's worth a shot. Well, 4.2.2's version works fine
under DOSBox [SB16/OPL3], at least.)

http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/current/v2tk/allegro/

http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/dl/ofc/current/v2tk/allegro/all422b.zip/allegro/bin/play.exe

A quick run of PLAY.EXE (without filename) shows the following
supported hardware:

===
Sound code test program for Allegro 4.2.2, djgpp
By Shawn Hargreaves, 2007

Usage: play [digital driver [midi driver]] files.(mid|voc|wav)

Digital drivers:

ESC - Soundscape
ESS - ESS AudioDrive
WSS - Windows Sound System
SB16- Sound Blaster 16
SBP - Sound Blaster Pro
SB20- Sound Blaster 2.0
SB15- Sound Blaster 1.5
SB10- Sound Blaster 1.0

MIDI drivers:

AWE - AWE32/EMU8000
DIGI- DIGMID
OPL3- Adlib (OPL3)
OPLX- Adlib (dual OPL2)
OPL2- Adlib (OPL2)
MPU - MPU-401
SB  - SB MIDI interface

If you don't specify the card, Allegro will auto-detect (ie. guess :-)
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Dale E Sterner
Thank you

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 11:10:43 -0400 Don Flowers  writes:
> http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> 
> > For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board.
> > I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for
> > windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha.
> > I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer.
> >
> >
> > cheers
> > DS
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:49:13 +0200 Eric Auer  
> writes:
> > >
> > > Hi Dale and Don,
> > >
> > > > I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every
> > > > SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND 
> and it
> > > > worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards 
> (mostly
> > > ESS
> > > > or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, 
> but
> > > > MPXPLAY & QView work through the lineout - I think any 
> successful
> > > > configuration will be a compromise.
> > >
> > > What exactly is DOSSOUND and what does it do? And for Dale:
> > >
> > > It is important to know what card and chip exactly causes the
> > > trouble.
> > > ESS made many of them. I agree that you might find the solution 
> in
> > > some
> > > "turn chip on" tool, but that, too, will depend on which chip 
> and
> > > card
> > > exactly you have. If your card is ISA with plug and play 
> support,
> > > you
> > > may need the general (Intel?) plug and play drivers for DOS to
> > > activate
> > > and configure the plug and play things it at boot :-) Back in 
> ISA
> > > days,
> > > PnP simply meant "auto-select non-colliding I/O port bases, IRQ
> > > etc.".
> > >
> > > Cheers, Eric
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Don Flowers
http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/


On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:

> For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board.
> I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for
> windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha.
> I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer.
>
>
> cheers
> DS
>
>
>
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:49:13 +0200 Eric Auer  writes:
> >
> > Hi Dale and Don,
> >
> > > I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every
> > > SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it
> > > worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly
> > ESS
> > > or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, but
> > > MPXPLAY & QView work through the lineout - I think any successful
> > > configuration will be a compromise.
> >
> > What exactly is DOSSOUND and what does it do? And for Dale:
> >
> > It is important to know what card and chip exactly causes the
> > trouble.
> > ESS made many of them. I agree that you might find the solution in
> > some
> > "turn chip on" tool, but that, too, will depend on which chip and
> > card
> > exactly you have. If your card is ISA with plug and play support,
> > you
> > may need the general (Intel?) plug and play drivers for DOS to
> > activate
> > and configure the plug and play things it at boot :-) Back in ISA
> > days,
> > PnP simply meant "auto-select non-colliding I/O port bases, IRQ
> > etc.".
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Dale E Sterner
For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board.
I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for
windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha.
I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer.


cheers
DS

 

On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:49:13 +0200 Eric Auer  writes:
> 
> Hi Dale and Don,
> 
> > I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every
> > SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it
> > worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly 
> ESS
> > or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, but
> > MPXPLAY & QView work through the lineout - I think any successful
> > configuration will be a compromise.
> 
> What exactly is DOSSOUND and what does it do? And for Dale:
> 
> It is important to know what card and chip exactly causes the 
> trouble.
> ESS made many of them. I agree that you might find the solution in 
> some
> "turn chip on" tool, but that, too, will depend on which chip and 
> card
> exactly you have. If your card is ISA with plug and play support, 
> you
> may need the general (Intel?) plug and play drivers for DOS to 
> activate
> and configure the plug and play things it at boot :-) Back in ISA 
> days,
> PnP simply meant "auto-select non-colliding I/O port bases, IRQ 
> etc.".
> 
> Cheers, Eric
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Dale and Don,

> I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every
> SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it
> worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS
> or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, but
> MPXPLAY & QView work through the lineout - I think any successful
> configuration will be a compromise.

What exactly is DOSSOUND and what does it do? And for Dale:

It is important to know what card and chip exactly causes the trouble.
ESS made many of them. I agree that you might find the solution in some
"turn chip on" tool, but that, too, will depend on which chip and card
exactly you have. If your card is ISA with plug and play support, you
may need the general (Intel?) plug and play drivers for DOS to activate
and configure the plug and play things it at boot :-) Back in ISA days,
PnP simply meant "auto-select non-colliding I/O port bases, IRQ etc.".

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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Don Flowers
I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every SB/ESS
driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it worked. For my
modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS or Yamaha) I can only
get sound through the internal speaker, but MPXPLAY & QView work through
the lineout - I think any successful configuration will be a compromise.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:

> I've quit working on it for a while. Tried every address and interupt I
> can think of.
> None work I think the chip is in off mode and needs to be turned on by
> windows.
> These sound drivers work on sound blaster cards but not on a laptop with
> ESS.
>
>
> cheers
> DS
>
>
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:18:52 +0200 Eric Auer  writes:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > > What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works
> > on
> > > an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on
> >
> > > somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of
> > the
> > > drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows
> > to
> > > the background and they work but who wants that.
> >
> > There are many different ESS chips, so more information is needed:
> >
> > http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=107869
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_AudioPCI
> >
> > http://www.daqarta.com/ess.htm
> >
> > What would also help is a tool to detect I/O base, IRQ and DMA
> > details
> > without hanging. No matter which card you have, often one or several
> > of those aspects go wrong. In particular with PCI cards trying to be
> > compatible to ISA SoundBlaster standards of any type, failing DMA
> > and
> > mis-routed IRQ signals are a common source of havoc. In some cases,
> > it
> > even is a hardware problem (a new mainboard cannot make PCI stuff
> > look
> > sufficiently ISA compatible any more). With SB Live, SB PCI and the
> > ESS
> > Ensoniq Audio PCI, the SoundBlaster compatibility even is a
> > completely
> > fake driver generated virtual hardware experience in the first
> > place.
> >
> > Regards, Eric
> >
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Dale E Sterner
I've quit working on it for a while. Tried every address and interupt I
can think of.
None work I think the chip is in off mode and needs to be turned on by
windows.
These sound drivers work on sound blaster cards but not on a laptop with
ESS.


cheers
DS


On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:18:52 +0200 Eric Auer  writes:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> > What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works 
> on
> > an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on 
> 
> > somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of 
> the
> > drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows 
> to
> > the background and they work but who wants that.
> 
> There are many different ESS chips, so more information is needed:
> 
> http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=107869
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_AudioPCI
> 
> http://www.daqarta.com/ess.htm
> 
> What would also help is a tool to detect I/O base, IRQ and DMA 
> details
> without hanging. No matter which card you have, often one or several
> of those aspects go wrong. In particular with PCI cards trying to be
> compatible to ISA SoundBlaster standards of any type, failing DMA 
> and
> mis-routed IRQ signals are a common source of havoc. In some cases, 
> it
> even is a hardware problem (a new mainboard cannot make PCI stuff 
> look
> sufficiently ISA compatible any more). With SB Live, SB PCI and the 
> ESS
> Ensoniq Audio PCI, the SoundBlaster compatibility even is a 
> completely
> fake driver generated virtual hardware experience in the first 
> place.
> 
> Regards, Eric
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

> What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on
> an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on 
> somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the
> drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to
> the background and they work but who wants that.

There are many different ESS chips, so more information is needed:

http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=107869

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_AudioPCI

http://www.daqarta.com/ess.htm

What would also help is a tool to detect I/O base, IRQ and DMA details
without hanging. No matter which card you have, often one or several
of those aspects go wrong. In particular with PCI cards trying to be
compatible to ISA SoundBlaster standards of any type, failing DMA and
mis-routed IRQ signals are a common source of havoc. In some cases, it
even is a hardware problem (a new mainboard cannot make PCI stuff look
sufficiently ISA compatible any more). With SB Live, SB PCI and the ESS
Ensoniq Audio PCI, the SoundBlaster compatibility even is a completely
fake driver generated virtual hardware experience in the first place.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Mateusz Viste
What kind of Windows is it? It it's some 9x version, chances are that 
the Windows drivers you have already are installing their DOS 
counterpart in autoexec & config.sys files.

If that's the case, it would just be a matter of copying the required 
files from your windows installation, note the exact entries added to 
autoexec & config.sys, and replicate the whole stuff on your DOS-only PC.

First step would be to look into your autoexec.bat and config.sys files 
on the Windows installation - do you see anything related to your sound 
card there?

Mateusz



On 03/06/2015 16:08, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on
> an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on
> somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the
> drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to
> the background and they work but who wants that.
>
>
> cheers
> DS
>
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 07:37:56 -0500 Rugxulo  writes:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Dale E Sterner
>>  wrote:

 Have the same problem with a DELL laptop. Tried a few dozen
>> drivers
 and none worked.
>>>
>>> What stuff are you trying to run anyways? Games? Audio CD? MP3?
>> WAV?
>>> MOD? MID? AVI?
>>>
>>> I did test a bunch of things on my old P4 [EMU10k1]. Most of it
>> didn't work
>>
>> Now I remember an old freeware module player called LMP ('L' for SB
>> Live!), which does actually work, too.
>>
>> ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/lmp09.zip
>>
>> So, just in general, it's not that literally nothing works, just
>> sometimes it's hard to find.
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Dale E Sterner
What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on
an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on 
somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the
drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to
the background and they work but who wants that.


cheers
DS



On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 07:37:56 -0500 Rugxulo  writes:
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Have the same problem with a DELL laptop. Tried a few dozen 
> drivers
> >> and none worked.
> >
> > What stuff are you trying to run anyways? Games? Audio CD? MP3? 
> WAV?
> > MOD? MID? AVI?
> >
> > I did test a bunch of things on my old P4 [EMU10k1]. Most of it 
> didn't work
> 
> Now I remember an old freeware module player called LMP ('L' for SB
> Live!), which does actually work, too.
> 
> ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/lmp09.zip
> 
> So, just in general, it's not that literally nothing works, just
> sometimes it's hard to find.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-03 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
>>
>> Have the same problem with a DELL laptop. Tried a few dozen drivers
>> and none worked.
>
> What stuff are you trying to run anyways? Games? Audio CD? MP3? WAV?
> MOD? MID? AVI?
>
> I did test a bunch of things on my old P4 [EMU10k1]. Most of it didn't work

Now I remember an old freeware module player called LMP ('L' for SB
Live!), which does actually work, too.

ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/lmp09.zip

So, just in general, it's not that literally nothing works, just
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
>
> Have the same problem with a DELL laptop. Tried a few dozen drivers
> and none worked. They all require Windows be present. Unless you can fool
> it into thinking Windows is there; I think its hopeless. I gave up.

Somebody would have to contact the soundcard vendors and pester them
to release their old drivers in DOS-friendly format. Obviously
requiring Windows just to install is a bad move. Also, being able to
freely redistribute such drivers publicly would also be a nice touch.
Granted, I don't expect any of that will ever happen, but having to
blindly search random third-party websites just makes things even more
difficult.

I did find one (third-party) site that claimed to have SB Live!
drivers for my old P4 (Dell), but that too required Windows (and no,
HX didn't work). Even the *.CAB weren't accessible to p7zip, so I
dunno!

Generally speaking, you have to find a "modern" OS (FreeBSD, Linux,
etc) that supports your hardware, and make sure it actually works.
Then and only then can you find some genius to "maybe" port it back to
DOS. At least with sources there is minimal hope. I really don't think
binary driver compatibility with other OSes is feasible at all, but I
could be wrong. (It's been done before but isn't very popular,
apparently.)

What stuff are you trying to run anyways? Games? Audio CD? MP3? WAV?
MOD? MID? AVI?

Although I usually don't do much with sound, thus am horribly unaware
of most stuff, I did test a bunch of things on my old P4. Most of it
didn't work (e.g. Cubic, Judas, WSS, PacePlayer). Almost the only
thing that did work was PC speaker. At least some rare tools (KPC,
MP3PC) support that:

http://www.advsys.net/ken/utils.htm

Even Mpxplay didn't work. But Quickview (shareware) surprisingly
worked fine (with its EMU10K1 driver). Then and only then (after
successfully playing a file) did Mpxplay start working. (So it's not
initializing something properly.) I forgot to test DOSSOUND, but its
website doesn't mention my soundcard anyways.

Long story short: there are very few developers that are willing and
active in such a field. You would have to contact them directly (via
email or forum), maybe even donate a few clams!

http://mpxplay.sourceforge.net/
http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/index.htm
http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/

Other than all of that, don't get your hopes up.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-06-02 Thread John Hupp

On 5/30/2015 4:29 PM, John Hupp wrote:
I have 3 old ISA sound cards that I was trying to get working in an 
old Pentium 150 machine with a default FD 1.1 installation. But so far 
no success.  I list the card, a driver link, and my brief note for 
each.  Perhaps one of you will have a known-good driver or a tip/trick 
for any of these:


Aztech Sound Galaxy Nova 16 (FCC ID i38-MMSN811 -- OEM'd for Packard Bell)

ftp://ftp.aztech.com/support/DOWNLOAD/sg/index.txt

Turns out that it tests for Windows, and I haven't tried to fool it or 
hack it yet.




Media Vision Pro Sonic 16 (Jazz 16 chipset)

http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=418

This is indeed for pure DOS, but the installer hangs at the step where 
it analyzes the hardware resources.




Ensoniq Soundscape PnP Wavetable Sound Card (Gateway P/N SNDCRD006ABWW)

ftp://ftp.gateway.com/pub/hardware_support/drivers/win_95/sound/enwiz95.exe

This requires Windows but will also set up for DOS at the same time.  
I temporarily installed a W98 drive on this same machine, had sound 
working on it, then copied what seemed to be all the required pieces 
into the FreeDOS installation.  The driver now initializes without 
error at boot, but so far I have not gotten any sound out of it with 
mpxplay or ACP CD player (though both act as if they are playing 
something).  I have not yet tried a game or any other app.


One piece of good news: I got the Media Vision driver working.  It turns 
out that the installer wanted to look, not just at the C: drive where 
FreeDOS is, but at the D: and E: partitions which had not yet been 
formatted.  Once I formatted those, the installer worked as expected.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?

2015-05-31 Thread Dale E Sterner
Have the same problem with a DELL laptop. Tried a few dozen drivers
and none worked. They all require Windows be present. Unless you can fool
it
into thinking Windows is there; I think its hopeless. I gave up.

cheers
DS


On Sat, 30 May 2015 16:29:28 -0400 John Hupp 
writes:
> I have 3 old ISA sound cards that I was trying to get working in an 
> old 
> Pentium 150 machine with a default FD 1.1 installation.  But so far 
> no 
> success.  I list the card, a driver link, and my brief note for 
> each.  
> Perhaps one of you will have a known-good driver or a tip/trick for 
> any 
> of these:
> 
> Aztech Sound Galaxy Nova 16 (FCC ID i38-MMSN811 -- OEM'd for Packard 
> Bell)
> 
> ftp://ftp.aztech.com/support/DOWNLOAD/sg/index.txt
> 
> Turns out that it tests for Windows, and I haven't tried to fool it 
> or 
> hack it yet.
> 
>

> 
> Media Vision Pro Sonic 16 (Jazz 16 chipset)
> 
> http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=418
> 
> This is indeed for pure DOS, but the installer hangs at the step 
> where 
> it analyzes the hardware resources.
> 
>

> 
> Ensoniq Soundscape PnP Wavetable Sound Card (Gateway P/N 
> SNDCRD006ABWW)
> 
>
ftp://ftp.gateway.com/pub/hardware_support/drivers/win_95/sound/enwiz95.e
xe
> 
> This requires Windows but will also set up for DOS at the same time. 
>  I 
> temporarily installed a W98 drive on this same machine, had sound 
> working on it, then copied what seemed to be all the required pieces 
> 
> into the FreeDOS installation.  The driver now initializes without 
> error 
> at boot, but so far I have not gotten any sound out of it with 
> mpxplay 
> or ACP CD player (though both act as if they are playing something). 
>  I 
> have not yet tried a game or any other app.


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2015-05-30 Thread John Hupp
I have 3 old ISA sound cards that I was trying to get working in an old 
Pentium 150 machine with a default FD 1.1 installation.  But so far no 
success.  I list the card, a driver link, and my brief note for each.  
Perhaps one of you will have a known-good driver or a tip/trick for any 
of these:


Aztech Sound Galaxy Nova 16 (FCC ID i38-MMSN811 -- OEM'd for Packard Bell)

ftp://ftp.aztech.com/support/DOWNLOAD/sg/index.txt

Turns out that it tests for Windows, and I haven't tried to fool it or 
hack it yet.




Media Vision Pro Sonic 16 (Jazz 16 chipset)

http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=418

This is indeed for pure DOS, but the installer hangs at the step where 
it analyzes the hardware resources.




Ensoniq Soundscape PnP Wavetable Sound Card (Gateway P/N SNDCRD006ABWW)

ftp://ftp.gateway.com/pub/hardware_support/drivers/win_95/sound/enwiz95.exe

This requires Windows but will also set up for DOS at the same time.  I 
temporarily installed a W98 drive on this same machine, had sound 
working on it, then copied what seemed to be all the required pieces 
into the FreeDOS installation.  The driver now initializes without error 
at boot, but so far I have not gotten any sound out of it with mpxplay 
or ACP CD player (though both act as if they are playing something).  I 
have not yet tried a game or any other app.
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