Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
Hi all, I recently acquired a second 17 LCD monitor (from LEM Swap, natch). My old one moved over to replace the 17 Apple CRT (Studio Display? Not sure what it's called, but it looks like the 1st gen iMacs). One of the machines on that monitor, a G4 dual 450 running 10.4.8, only has two monitor size choices: 800 x 600 and 1024 x 768. The LCD wants something more in the 1280 x ??? range, and after a restart comes up black. I can get to it using good ol' Timbuktu, and fortunately it's a server that doesn't require me to look at it often. So I'm not hurting too bad. I've tried other video cards that show the same with this particular system install, and other hard drives with various OSX installs have displayed plenty of choices fine on this machine. The card is a standard ATY Rage 128 Pro (ROM revision 113-72701-125 if that makes any difference). So the big question is: what system bits do I need to copy into there to get it to show me a choice in the 1280 range? Because this is a working server I'm not prone to a system reinstall - or as you can see by the fact that it's at 10.4.8, an upgrade. It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. Thanks for any pointers. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Got IP camera with eithernet connection behind but
Got IP camera with eithernet connection behind Linksys 4 plex, but am not able to find the url to view the picture. I to on my mac and see the url and then phone a friend to tell them the url so they can set their browser to this url, but nothing works. Any ideas. I am not subscribed to a static dsl, so each time I have to look to see the assigned url. I'm a designated FREE SPIRIT HITCHHIKING on the Information Super Highway -- G4 450 MHz box with OS 8.1-9.2, X 10.2.8/4.11. AGP Graphics on a card. Both are connected by 4 port LinkSys BEFSR41. 99% of the time I am Netscape 7.2. 12 Gb hd in 4Gb and 8Gb partitions and external 4Gb in 4 1Gb partitions. 470 Mb, Zip, fd, DVD/cd Drive, all are Apple branded. === --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time-Warner installed router
OOps, messed up on the subject line. On Mar 8, 2009, at 5:45 AM, g3-5-list group wrote: == 1 of 3 == Date: Sat, Mar 7 2009 2:05 pm From: Dan At 4:45 PM -0500 3/7/2009, Steve R wrote: Is the Time-Warner router user configurable? Most are. Like most ISPs, they field a number of models. You should try googling on the make model of the router... Also, did Time-Warner give you the IP address that you can use for browser entry? They should. Can't TW give you a hand from their telephonic help desk? Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4 Public Beta available today
I have Safari 3 Version 3.2.1 (4525.27.1) For Safari 4 Beta the Macintosh Requirements * Any Mac running Security Update 2009-001 and Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.6 or Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11. I have 10.4.11, Build 8S165, but it refuses to install wanting 10.5 I am G4 Power PC. BUT Software Update reports I am up to date?? What is going on? --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Safari 4 Public Beta available today To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 2:10 PM At 5:48 PM -0500 3/6/2009, Dan wrote: LOL Darn voodoo. Cookies tasty cookies. Don't think about them often enough, I guess, 'cause Safari just handles them. Today I was poking around, and took a look at the cookies. wow. Amazing how many cookies some companies slap on you! Started selectively deleting them, got tired of that, and hit Remove All. All gone. OMG. Safari is s much faster now! LOL - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4 Public Beta available today
You probably downloaded the Leopard version. You need the version for Tiger. Peter M. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:19:29 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Safari 4 Public Beta available today I have Safari 3 Version 3.2.1 (4525.27.1) For Safari 4 Beta the Macintosh Requirements * Any Mac running Security Update 2009-001 and Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.6 or Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11. I have 10.4.11, Build 8S165, but it refuses to install wanting 10.5 I am G4 Power PC. BUT Software Update reports I am up to date?? What is going on? --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Safari 4 Public Beta available today To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 2:10 PM At 5:48 PM -0500 3/6/2009, Dan wrote: LOL Darn voodoo. Cookies tasty cookies. Don't think about them often enough, I guess, 'cause Safari just handles them. Today I was poking around, and took a look at the cookies. wow. Amazing how many cookies some companies slap on you! Started selectively deleting them, got tired of that, and hit Remove All. All gone. OMG. Safari is s much faster now! LOL - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Got IP camera with eithernet connection behind but
I assume your camera has a webserver in it; check the manual and also check how to log into the camera from your browser. You'd have to give your friend your external IP. Great cameras will give your both the internal and external IP addresses. Give your friend the external one and have them connect. Check your router to make sure the port on which the camera runs the server is open. You can see the port, hopefully, on the camera's manual. What's the make and model of your camera? Goodluck! Jonas Lopez wrote: Got IP camera with eithernet connection behind Linksys 4 plex, but am not able to find the url to view the picture. I to on my mac and see the url and then phone a friend to tell them the url so they can set their browser to this url, but nothing works. Any ideas. I am not subscribed to a static dsl, so each time I have to look to see the assigned url. I'm a designated FREE SPIRIT HITCHHIKING on the Information Super Highway -- G4 450 MHz box with OS 8.1-9.2, X 10.2.8/4.11. AGP Graphics on a card. Both are connected by 4 port LinkSys BEFSR41. 99% of the time I am Netscape 7.2. 12 Gb hd in 4Gb and 8Gb partitions and external 4Gb in 4 1Gb partitions. 470 Mb, Zip, fd, DVD/cd Drive, all are Apple branded. === --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Eeek! My First Kernal Panic
At 5:00 AM -0600 3/9/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: Machine: A Smurf (BW G3) OS: OS X 10.2.8 This is what Console says console.log contains information logged related to the current user. A kernel panic is a system-wide event - so its information is in system.log and panic.log. I tried to reboot the machine from the KB but no luck Tried the button on the front of the tower and again, no luck Finally I unplugged it and plugged it back in. So some piece of hardware was left in a bad state by the panic, and re-powering reset it. So, any ideas what caused the panic? Most kernel panics are due to hardware issues. Can't tell more without seeing the system and panic logs. If they're big, pls zip 'em up and email them directly to me. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
acceptable hard drives for G3 iMac?
I've got a couple G3 iMacs I inherited and was planning to fix them up for family, one 350 slot-loaded and one 500 slot-loaded. Unfortunately, one of them had the HD removed. On most Macs, I'd just slap in one I have lying around, but as the iMac is a closed computer, I'm concerned that sticking in just any old hard drive might lead to overheating issues? I know I used to have problems with HDs overheating in the cramped PM 6100s. I seem to remember some HDs in the all-in-ones (5x00s or maybe the Bondi iMac) having a special hole drilled in the top, maybe to vent away heat? Anybody have any idea if the below HDs would work okay in a G3 iMac, or if they would run too hot? IBM Deskstar 20.5GB. Model IC35L020AVER07-0 IBM 22.0GB. Model DJNA-372200 Also, what about HDs pulled from Beige G3s. Would those work okay as far as not running too hot, or would I be better off staying away from those for other reasons (too old/slow, etc.?) Is there anything I need to look for specifically when replacing a hard drive in one of these all-in-one iMacs if none of the above will be suitable? Andy McKinney --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: acceptable hard drives for G3 iMac?
On 9/3/09 14:38, mythmaker18 mythmake...@yahoo.com wrote: I've got a couple G3 iMacs I inherited and was planning to fix them up for family, one 350 slot-loaded and one 500 slot-loaded. Unfortunately, one of them had the HD removed. On most Macs, I'd just slap in one I have lying around, but as the iMac is a closed computer, I'm concerned that sticking in just any old hard drive might lead to overheating issues? I know I used to have problems with HDs overheating in the cramped PM 6100s. I seem to remember some HDs in the all-in-ones (5x00s or maybe the Bondi iMac) having a special hole drilled in the top, maybe to vent away heat? Anybody have any idea if the below HDs would work okay in a G3 iMac, or if they would run too hot? IBM Deskstar 20.5GB. Model IC35L020AVER07-0 IBM 22.0GB. Model DJNA-372200 Also, what about HDs pulled from Beige G3s. Would those work okay as far as not running too hot, or would I be better off staying away from those for other reasons (too old/slow, etc.?) Is there anything I need to look for specifically when replacing a hard drive in one of these all-in-one iMacs if none of the above will be suitable? Andy McKinney I have a strawberry 350mhz G3 iMac running Tiger (called Stinky Pinky) which has an 80GB Hitachi 7200rpm Deskstar in and has never had any problems since installation - even though it often runs 24/7. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Eeek! My First Kernal Panic
On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:00 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I tried to reboot the machine from the KB but no luck Tried the button on the front of the tower and again, no luck Finally I unplugged it and plugged it back in. So, any ideas what caused the panic? Those messages are 'normal' console messages for Menu Meters, so they can be ignored. Dan's advice is correct, look in the panic logs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
On 9-Mar-09, at 4:28 AM, Bill Christensen wrote: So the big question is: what system bits do I need to copy into there to get it to show me a choice in the 1280 range? Because this is a working server I'm not prone to a system reinstall - or as you can see by the fact that it's at 10.4.8, an upgrade. It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. Thanks for any pointers. Maybe the application DisplayConfigX might work for you: http://www.3dexpress.de/ Hope that helps. - Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
Bill, *Snip* It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. Thanks for any pointers. -- Bill Christensen Try Detect Displays in the displays preferences pane. My iMac wouldn't recognise my 2nd LCD till I did that. Might help!? Amanda Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
HD problems--advice sought
I'm got a G4 AGP with plenty of RAM (1.5 gig because I lent a 512 mg stick to another computer), 1.4 GHz cpu, running up-to-date Tiger (10.4.11) I've got two HDs inside on the regular IDE HD bus. Both are over- sized and partitioned thusly: 500 (actually 465.76GB) GB drive partition 1 127.88 GB with the OS on it partition 2 the rest of that drive 200 GB (actually 189.92) GB drive partition 1 127.86 GB partition 2 the rest of that drive I've also got a 180 GB drive in an external firewire enclosure in two partitions: partition 1: 127.88 GB with a relatively good back-up of the system partition partition 2: the rest, with backups of other more-or-less important stuff Oh yeah--IIRC, they're all HFS+, journaled. I've got a slightly out-of-date copy of the FireWire drive on a loose HD that was having some hardware troubles when I retired it. I use Intech's hi-cap kext to see the oversized partitions of the drives (but can see just the first partitions when I boot from a disk). My problem is this: That first partition on the big internal drive, the one with the OS on it, is messed up--not hardware. Once in a while it fails to mount, as if it's got a corrupted directory file. However, when I run DiskWarrior, it spends some 12 hours or so working on it, and then finally fails. I've booted from the firewire drive and run Disk Utility's repair disk on the drive--it identifies a ton of overlapped files, but finally fails. Usually, just trying again (restarting from the firewire or even from a disk) gets it to mount again. When I try to do a full back-up of the problem drive, it understandably fails. When I do an incremental back-up, it usually fails, but at least not until after it's backed up everything that seems to matter to me. Any idea how I should go about fixing stuff? Are there other 3rd party disk repair apps that don't rely on the same thing in my system that seems to be failing (fsck_hfs)? I'm thinking I may just get a 140 GB drive and just use the first 127.88 GB as my system drive from now on. (That way I can deal with just that one partition and nothing else on that drive.) I imagine I can clone from my FW back-up. After I've got that working, I suppose I can erase that problematic partition to re-use it. Since the problem is overlapping files and a corrupted disk directory, just a simple erase should make that partition usable again, right? If not, I can't re-format just that partition somehow--leaving the larger partition on that drive untouched? Joe == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Ok, so this weekend I became an object lesson for y'all. snip With a link to OS X drivers, which they've had all along, and were present on the CD included, if I'd bothered to look :-) Moral of the story: Don't always believe the box. :-) Oh kay!!! ;-) Chuck D. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: HD problems--advice sought
On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:16 PM, joe wrote: When I do an incremental back-up, it usually fails, but at least not until after it's backed up everything that seems to matter to me. If you been able to backup everything that seems to matter just erase the partition and check it with Disk Utility and then do whatever you need to do to it. If it was a System partition do a clean installation, if not, transfer back whatever you need. As an aside, I once had a similar problem where Disk Utility and Disk Warrior failed, and I finally got Tech Tool Pro to repair the partition. It took 12 or 16 hours to repair, which I realized I could have done a complete reinstallation of a clean System and transferred everything I needed from backup in less time, so I decided that next time I get a problem that can't be solved by Disk Utility or Disk Warrior in short time, I'm wiping and doing a clean install. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: HD problems--advice sought
If you have backed up your data and software from that That first partition on the big internal drive, then erase that partition and then use either CCC or diskwarrior to restore it. If you haven't backed it up, I don't know what to do. Mel --- On Mon, 3/9/09, joe j...@joethejuggler.com wrote: From: joe j...@joethejuggler.com Subject: HD problems--advice sought To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 11:16 AM I'm got a G4 AGP with plenty of RAM (1.5 gig because I lent a 512 mg stick to another computer), 1.4 GHz cpu, running up-to-date Tiger (10.4.11) I've got two HDs inside on the regular IDE HD bus. Both are over-sized and partitioned thusly:500 (actually 465.76GB) GB drive partition 1 127.88 GB with the OS on it partition 2 the rest of that drive200 GB (actually 189.92) GB drive partition 1 127.86 GB partition 2 the rest of that drive I've also got a 180 GB drive in an external firewire enclosure in two partitions: partition 1: 127.88 GB with a relatively good back-up of the system partition partition 2: the rest, with backups of other more-or-less important stuff Oh yeah--IIRC, they're all HFS+, journaled. I've got a slightly out-of-date copy of the FireWire drive on a loose HD that was having some hardware troubles when I retired it. I use Intech's hi-cap kext to see the oversized partitions of the drives (but can see just the first partitions when I boot from a disk). My problem is this: That first partition on the big internal drive, the one with the OS on it, is messed up--not hardware. Once in a while it fails to mount, as if it's got a corrupted directory file. However, when I run DiskWarrior, it spends some 12 hours or so working on it, and then finally fails. I've booted from the firewire drive and run Disk Utility's repair disk on the drive--it identifies a ton of overlapped files, but finally fails. Usually, just trying again (restarting from the firewire or even from a disk) gets it to mount again. When I try to do a full back-up of the problem drive, it understandably fails. When I do an incremental back-up, it usually fails, but at least not until after it's backed up everything that seems to matter to me. Any idea how I should go about fixing stuff? Are there other 3rd party disk repair apps that don't rely on the same thing in my system that seems to be failing (fsck_hfs)? I'm thinking I may just get a 140 GB drive and just use the first 127.88 GB as my system drive from now on. (That way I can deal with just that one partition and nothing else on that drive.) I imagine I can clone from my FW back-up. After I've got that working, I suppose I can erase that problematic partition to re-use it. Since the problem is overlapping files and a corrupted disk directory, just a simple erase should make that partition usable again, right? If not, I can't re-format just that partition somehow--leaving the larger partition on that drive untouched? Joe == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St.St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com== --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: HD problems--advice sought
On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:16 PM, joe wrote: I'm got a G4 AGP with plenty of RAM (1.5 gig because I lent a 512 mg stick to another computer), 1.4 GHz cpu, running up-to-date Tiger (10.4.11) I've got two HDs inside on the regular IDE HD bus. Both are over- sized and partitioned thusly: 500 (actually 465.76GB) GB drive partition 1 127.88 GB with the OS on it partition 2 the rest of that drive 200 GB (actually 189.92) GB drive partition 1 127.86 GB partition 2 the rest of that drive I've also got a 180 GB drive in an external firewire enclosure in two partitions: partition 1: 127.88 GB with a relatively good back-up of the system partition partition 2: the rest, with backups of other more-or-less important stuff Oh yeah--IIRC, they're all HFS+, journaled. I've got a slightly out-of-date copy of the FireWire drive on a loose HD that was having some hardware troubles when I retired it. I use Intech's hi-cap kext to see the oversized partitions of the drives (but can see just the first partitions when I boot from a disk). My problem is this: That first partition on the big internal drive, the one with the OS on it, is messed up--not hardware. Once in a while it fails to mount, as if it's got a corrupted directory file. However, when I run DiskWarrior, it spends some 12 hours or so working on it, and then finally fails. I've booted from the firewire drive and run Disk Utility's repair disk on the drive--it identifies a ton of overlapped files, but finally fails. Joe; What I would try [Assuming that you have backups of all the files on the HD (both partitions)]. Keep Re-Running 'Disk Utility repair Disk' until there are no changes from report to report. At that point try and identify the 'culprit' file. delete that file, and then re-run 'Disk Utility repair disk' again. [Hopefully, is will allow 'repair disk' to now complete.] WHEN you get the HD to the point that everything that you want to save is 'elsewhere'. Go through a cycle of writing Zeros [To the whole HD, NOT individual partitions.] to give the hardware a chance to do it's magic of mapping bad sectors. Then, re-partition as desired, and restore things. Just the way I'd tackle this problem. [You did ask!! ;-)] Chuck D. Chuck D. Usually, just trying again (restarting from the firewire or even from a disk) gets it to mount again. When I try to do a full back- up of the problem drive, it understandably fails. When I do an incremental back-up, it usually fails, but at least not until after it's backed up everything that seems to matter to me. Any idea how I should go about fixing stuff? Are there other 3rd party disk repair apps that don't rely on the same thing in my system that seems to be failing (fsck_hfs)? I'm thinking I may just get a 140 GB drive and just use the first 127.88 GB as my system drive from now on. (That way I can deal with just that one partition and nothing else on that drive.) I imagine I can clone from my FW back-up. After I've got that working, I suppose I can erase that problematic partition to re-use it. Since the problem is overlapping files and a corrupted disk directory, just a simple erase should make that partition usable again, right? If not, I can't re-format just that partition somehow--leaving the larger partition on that drive untouched? Joe == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: acceptable hard drives for G3 iMac?
mythmaker18 wrote: I've got a couple G3 iMacs I inherited and was planning to fix them up for family, one 350 slot-loaded and one 500 slot-loaded. Unfortunately, one of them had the HD removed. On most Macs, I'd just slap in one I have lying around, but as the iMac is a closed computer, I'm concerned that sticking in just any old hard drive might lead to overheating issues? I know I used to have problems with HDs overheating in the cramped PM 6100s. I seem to remember some HDs in the all-in-ones (5x00s or maybe the Bondi iMac) having a special hole drilled in the top, maybe to vent away heat? Anybody have any idea if the below HDs would work okay in a G3 iMac, or if they would run too hot? IBM Deskstar 20.5GB. Model IC35L020AVER07-0 IBM 22.0GB. Model DJNA-372200 Also, what about HDs pulled from Beige G3s. Would those work okay as far as not running too hot, or would I be better off staying away from those for other reasons (too old/slow, etc.?) Is there anything I need to look for specifically when replacing a hard drive in one of these all-in-one iMacs if none of the above will be suitable? You'd have a hard time finding an HD that WOULDN'T be appropriate. Either of those two models should work just fine. All HDs have a small vent hole to equalize pressure. None have a hole to vent heat. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Problems with Giga Designs Updater
I'm hoping to install a dual 1.8 GHz Giga Designs CPU (picked up secondhand) in a dual 500 MHz G4 'Mystic' Power Mac. I have version 3.0.1 software on the original installer CD, and every time I run the Install Giga Designs Updater app, it goes so far and then stays there. It never finishes the process. I have tried Mac OS X 10.3.9, 10.4.11, and 10.5.6, and the problem persists - although the progress bar doesn't seem to go as far with later versions. I have also tried installing in Safe Mode - no change. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
Bill Christensen wrote: Hi all, I recently acquired a second 17 LCD monitor (from LEM Swap, natch). My old one moved over to replace the 17 Apple CRT (Studio Display? Not sure what it's called, but it looks like the 1st gen iMacs). One of the machines on that monitor, a G4 dual 450 running 10.4.8, only has two monitor size choices: 800 x 600 and 1024 x 768. The LCD wants something more in the 1280 x ??? range, and after a restart comes up black. I can get to it using good ol' Timbuktu, and fortunately it's a server that doesn't require me to look at it often. So I'm not hurting too bad. I've tried other video cards that show the same with this particular system install, and other hard drives with various OSX installs have displayed plenty of choices fine on this machine. The card is a standard ATY Rage 128 Pro (ROM revision 113-72701-125 if that makes any difference). So the big question is: what system bits do I need to copy into there to get it to show me a choice in the 1280 range? Because this is a working server I'm not prone to a system reinstall - or as you can see by the fact that it's at 10.4.8, an upgrade. It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. What is the interface you are using on the Rage card? This card will work at the 1280 x 960, 1024 and others. Odds are the problem is because of the interface not recognizing what resolutions the monitor can handle. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: HD problems--advice sought
On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Joe; What I would try [Assuming that you have backups of all the files on the HD (both partitions)]. Keep Re-Running 'Disk Utility repair Disk' until there are no changes from report to report. At that point try and identify the 'culprit' file. delete that file, and then re-run 'Disk Utility repair disk' again. [Hopefully, is will allow 'repair disk' to now complete.] WHEN you get the HD to the point that everything that you want to save is 'elsewhere'. Go through a cycle of writing Zeros [To the whole HD, NOT individual partitions.] to give the hardware a chance to do it's magic of mapping bad sectors. Then, re-partition as desired, and restore things. Just the way I'd tackle this problem. [You did ask!! ;-)] Thanks, Chuck. I think that's the way I'll try it. On the other hand, if it's going to take 12 hours again (I've already given it more than 12 hours on 4 occasions), I might just erase the problem partition and restore my pretty nearly up-to-date backup. (Again, whatever's messed up is what prevents me from doing a full back-up right now.) I'd like to zero out the entire drive, but I don't think I have enough space to back up the good partition of that drive. If I trash enough stuff that I no longer need, I just might have enough room somewhere to do it. == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problems with Giga Designs Updater
On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Dan the listmom wrote: I'm hoping to install a dual 1.8 GHz Giga Designs CPU (picked up secondhand) in a dual 500 MHz G4 'Mystic' Power Mac. I have version 3.0.1 software on the original installer CD, and every time I run the Install Giga Designs Updater app, it goes so far and then stays there. It never finishes the process. I have tried Mac OS X 10.3.9, 10.4.11, and 10.5.6, and the problem persists - although the progress bar doesn't seem to go as far with later versions. I have also tried installing in Safe Mode - no change. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! Have you tried putting the Giga cpu in, and then running the installer ... Sonnet cpu folks usually say software install first, then hardware install, but ... It might run without a cache enabled or something ... then on Software Install a Restart, might be fully functional. Only thing macsales has on giga is a jumper setting page: http://eshop.macsales.com/images/Items/GigaDesign1.2Settings72.gif Just guessing at a solution ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problems with Giga Designs Updater
On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:40 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Dan the listmom wrote: I'm hoping to install a dual 1.8 GHz Giga Designs CPU (picked up secondhand) in a dual 500 MHz G4 'Mystic' Power Mac. I have version 3.0.1 software on the original installer CD, and every time I run the Install Giga Designs Updater app, it goes so far and then stays there. It never finishes the process. I have tried Mac OS X 10.3.9, 10.4.11, and 10.5.6, and the problem persists - although the progress bar doesn't seem to go as far with later versions. I have also tried installing in Safe Mode - no change. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! Have you tried putting the Giga cpu in, and then running the installer ... Sonnet cpu folks usually say software install first, then hardware install, but ... It might run without a cache enabled or something ... then on Software Install a Restart, might be fully functional. Only thing macsales has on giga is a jumper setting page: http://eshop.macsales.com/images/Items/GigaDesign1.2Settings72.gif Just guessing at a solution ... More guesses: Firmware update: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120068 Installation Guide: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G4CARDS/giga_designs_125Ghz/index5.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Eeek! My First Kernal Panic
There are no system.log or panic.log A search of my HD finds no such thing anywhere. A look in the folder entitles Logs doesn't have them THe folder inside that called CrashReporter doesn't have anything but a log from Dec. of 2007 and logs about various program crashes (Opera, Yahoo! IM, etc.). Looking at several of them, theya ll seem to be from 2007 On 3/9/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:00 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I tried to reboot the machine from the KB but no luck Tried the button on the front of the tower and again, no luck Finally I unplugged it and plugged it back in. So, any ideas what caused the panic? Those messages are 'normal' console messages for Menu Meters, so they can be ignored. Dan's advice is correct, look in the panic logs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Eeek! My First Kernal Panic
On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: There are no system.log or panic.log A search of my HD finds no such thing anywhere. A look in the folder entitles Logs doesn't have them THe folder inside that called CrashReporter doesn't have anything but a log from Dec. of 2007 and logs about various program crashes (Opera, Yahoo! IM, etc.). Looking at several of them, theya ll seem to be from 2007 My guess is that you're looking in the wrong place. In 10.5 they're in /Library/Logs/PanicReporter They're in a similar place in 10.4. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Eeek! My First Kernal Panic
On 3/9/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: There are no system.log or panic.log A search of my HD finds no such thing anywhere. A look in the folder entitles Logs doesn't have them THe folder inside that called CrashReporter doesn't have anything but a log from Dec. of 2007 and logs about various program crashes (Opera, Yahoo! IM, etc.). Looking at several of them, theya ll seem to be from 2007 My guess is that you're looking in the wrong place. In 10.5 they're in /Library/Logs/PanicReporter They're in a similar place in 10.4. I have 10.2.8 In Library/Logs I have these AppleFileService DirectoryService Software Update.log CrashReporter Inside CrashReporter I only have this Disk Utility Agent.crash.log Here is what it says Date/Time: 2009-03-09 05:55:22 -0500 OS Version: 10.2.8 (Build 6R73) Host: Steve-Conrads-Computer.local. Command:Disk Utility Agent PID:1056 Exception: EXC_BREAKPOINT (0x0006) Code[0]:0x0001Code[1]:0x97e54964 Thread 0 Crashed: #0 0x97e54964 in _NSRaiseError #1 0x97dfd9f0 in -[NSConnection sendInvocation:] #2 0x97e00c84 in -[NSObject(NSForwardInvocation) forward::] #3 0x9068c130 in _objc_msgForward #4 0x46f0 in 0x46f0 #5 0x45f0 in 0x45f0 #6 0x4348 in 0x4348 #7 0x41c8 in 0x41c8 PPC Thread State: srr0: 0x97e54964 srr1: 0x0002f030vrsave: 0x xer: 0x lr: 0x97e54940 ctr: 0x90014840 mq: 0x r0: 0x r1: 0xb420 r2: 0x24000246 r3: 0x r4: 0x4000 r5: 0x r6: 0xb100 r7: 0x r8: 0x00049010 r9: 0xa7df0294 r10: 0x0002 r11: 0x0005bff0 r12: 0x24000246 r13: 0x r14: 0x r15: 0x r16: 0x r17: 0x r18: 0x r19: 0x r20: 0x r21: 0x r22: 0x r23: 0x r24: 0x00062620 r25: 0x5d6c r26: 0x00063140 r27: 0xa7df02ac r28: 0x00062620 r29: 0x00064010 r30: 0x0005bed0 r31: 0x97e54884 -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Eeek! My First Kernal Panic
On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: On 3/9/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: There are no system.log or panic.log A search of my HD finds no such thing anywhere. A look in the folder entitles Logs doesn't have them THe folder inside that called CrashReporter doesn't have anything but a log from Dec. of 2007 and logs about various program crashes (Opera, Yahoo! IM, etc.). Looking at several of them, theya ll seem to be from 2007 My guess is that you're looking in the wrong place. In 10.5 they're in /Library/Logs/PanicReporter They're in a similar place in 10.4. I have 10.2.8 In Library/Logs I have these AppleFileService DirectoryService Software Update.log CrashReporter I have no idea where 10.2.8 stores anything any more...it's been years and years... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: HD problems--advice sought
On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:18 PM, joe wrote: On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Joe; What I would try [Assuming that you have backups of all the files on the HD (both partitions)]. Keep Re-Running 'Disk Utility repair Disk' until there are no changes from report to report. At that point try and identify the 'culprit' file. delete that file, and then re-run 'Disk Utility repair disk' again. [Hopefully, is will allow 'repair disk' to now complete.] WHEN you get the HD to the point that everything that you want to save is 'elsewhere'. Go through a cycle of writing Zeros [To the whole HD, NOT individual partitions.] to give the hardware a chance to do it's magic of mapping bad sectors. Then, re-partition as desired, and restore things. Just the way I'd tackle this problem. [You did ask!! ;-)] Thanks, Chuck. I think that's the way I'll try it. On the other hand, if it's going to take 12 hours again (I've already given it more than 12 hours on 4 occasions), I might just erase the problem partition and restore my pretty nearly up-to-date backup. (Again, whatever's messed up is what prevents me from doing a full back-up right now.) I'd like to zero out the entire drive, but I don't think I have enough space to back up the good partition of that drive. If I trash enough stuff that I no longer need, I just might have enough room somewhere to do it. == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == Joe: If you can't clear the whole HD. then thing to do is clear the smaller partition, erase (zero), altho I'm not sure that doing this at the partition level will let the 'bad sector' routines do anything. Then I'd do a 'Re-Install' of the OS as opposed to copying (cloning an existing partition) -- is would avoi dhe possibility of your 'clone' source possibly being the original source of the problem. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: acceptable hard drives for G3 iMac?
Thanks, Clark. I just wanted to be sure, since I remember having overheating problems with some non-original-spec hard drives in the cramped 6100 case. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 QS question
On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:47 PM, mark ray wrote: A neighbor has a G4 QS (733Mhz) 1.5GB Ram, a 40GB HD and a 120GB HD, a new nVidia Geoforce 6200 256mb video card running a 20 lcd monitor. Tried both wireless and direct enet connections to the router. It runs great, BUT, she wants to run World Of Warcraft and she says the frame rate is awful (9 maybe 10 fps) any advice on how to boost this, or figure out what the issue may be? Is this just now enough computer for the game or might there be something else? Well, a quick search for system requirements at worldofwarcraft.com comes up with the following Mac requirements: Processor: Minimum: PowerPC G5 1.6 GHz or Intel Core Duo processor Recommended: Intel 1.8GHz processor or better Memory: Minimum: 1 GB RAM Recommended: 2 GB RAM Video: Minimum: 3D graphics processor with Hardware Transform and Lighting with 64 MB VRAM Such as an ATI Radeon 9600 or NVIDIA GeForce Ti 4600 class card or better Recommended: 3D graphics processor with Vertex and Pixel Shader capability with 128 MB VRAM Such as an ATI Radeon X1600 or NVIDIA 7600 class card or better So she meets 2 out of 3. Unfortunately, the one she does not even come close to is the most important here, and that is the processor. The QS 733 has no L3 cache, so it runs like a 533Mhz with a cache. Which is basically 1/3 of the speed of a G5 1.6. A processor upgrade will get her close, but one that gets close will run about as much as a used G5 Mac. So, the question is: How badly does she want to run World of Warcraft at playable frame rates? Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 DVD Door
Hosemonkey wrote: Thank you so much for all your help. Upon closer examination, I found the door to be binding on the outer case. A little gentle bending and everything is working fine now. The spring was indeed there, it simply could not overcome the binding force of the outer(perforated) case. Thanks again. Good, now are you a firefighter and if so where? Dan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 QS question
So she meets 2 out of 3. Unfortunately, the one she does not even come close to is the most important here, and that is the processor. The QS 733 has no L3 cache, so it runs like a 533Mhz with a cache. Which is basically 1/3 of the speed of a G5 1.6. A processor upgrade will get her close, but one that gets close will run about as much as a used G5 Mac. So, the question is: How badly does she want to run World of Warcraft at playable frame rates? Len Thanks Len, the box the software she had originally installed indicates a different picture, the system she has should work. BUT she has performed all the online upgrades, so that is probably the issue. And she wants to play it alot, so I guess she will be saving up her pennies. Thanks for the info. mark ray bluellama...@embarqmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
At 6:14 PM + 3/9/09, amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: Bill, *Snip* It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. Thanks for any pointers. -- Bill Christensen Try Detect Displays in the displays preferences pane. My iMac wouldn't recognise my 2nd LCD till I did that. Might help!? Nope. There's no Detect Displays there. And to clarify, I'm only using one display on this machine. I've got a switch on the display that allows me to see four different machines. And my other LCD sees another four. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
At 1:47 PM -0700 3/9/09, Clark Martin wrote: Bill Christensen wrote: So the big question is: what system bits do I need to copy into there to get it to show me a choice in the 1280 range? Because this is a working server I'm not prone to a system reinstall - or as you can see by the fact that it's at 10.4.8, an upgrade. It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. What is the interface you are using on the Rage card? Interface? You mean AGP vs VGA? I'm using the VGA. But the VGA works fine if I start off a different HD, run through the same wires and switch. I The current machine had previously been used for a different purpose with a different HD, and I never had any problems there. The current HD was originally installed in BW and that's where it got the OS installed. When I got a newer, faster machine I did a musical hard drives and all the servers moved up a notch in speed. This HD carried the problem over from a BW. Perhaps the BW card was only capable of small monitor sizes - it was an ATY, Rage128y with 16mb vram. Looks to me that the only difference between them is that the BW has a 128y and the current machine has a 128Pro. And probably the ROM revision. This card will work at the 1280 x 960, 1024 and others. Odds are the problem is because of the interface not recognizing what resolutions the monitor can handle. RIght, and I suspect it's due to some missing piece(s) of software somewhere. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
At 1:59 PM -0400 3/9/09, Tony Gamble wrote: On 9-Mar-09, at 4:28 AM, Bill Christensen wrote: So the big question is: what system bits do I need to copy into there to get it to show me a choice in the 1280 range? Because this is a working server I'm not prone to a system reinstall - or as you can see by the fact that it's at 10.4.8, an upgrade. It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. Thanks for any pointers. Maybe the application DisplayConfigX might work for you: http://www.3dexpress.de/ Hope that helps. Probably not: NOT SUPPORTED: ATI Rage, Rage Mobility, Rage Pro (drivers lack required features). But thanks! -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Monitor choices in Prefs=Displays
On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:28 AM, Bill Christensen wrote: So the big question is: what system bits do I need to copy into there to get it to show me a choice in the 1280 range? Because this is a working server I'm not prone to a system reinstall - or as you can see by the fact that it's at 10.4.8, an upgrade. It ain't *that* broke, so I don't want to do anything drastic and really break it. But I'm fine with doing a restart. I'm not aware of any advantages of 10.4.8 over 10.4.11, and I can think of a lot of disadvantages, such as tons of software that requires 10.4.11 minimally. I'm guessing this means you've also not installed any Apple Security Updates since Sept. 2006? If not, hit the Software Update button and write us back after it completes. And to clarify, I'm only using one display on this machine. I've got a switch on the display that allows me to see four different machines. And my other LCD sees another four. There was a lot of extraneous info in the first posting that would lead most readers to believe this was a 2nd monitor. There was nothing in any prior postings about this strange configuration, I assume some sort of KVM switch? Have you tried a direct connection with the monitor? The current HD was originally installed in BW and that's where it got the OS installed. When I got a newer, faster machine I did a musical hard drives and all the servers moved up a notch in speed. This HD carried the problem over from a BW. Whenever you play musical HDs you need to trash the SystemLibraryExtensions.kextcache and SystemLibraryExtensions.mkext files. Alternately, you could also use a utility such as Onyx to clean all the caches out, making sure to check to check the box for System caches (normally NOT cleaned), but when you change machines, the System caches NEED to be rebuilt from scratch, hence, trashing the two files or using Onyx, etc. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problems with Giga Designs Updater
On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Dan the listmom wrote: I'm hoping to install a dual 1.8 GHz Giga Designs CPU (picked up secondhand) in a dual 500 MHz G4 'Mystic' Power Mac. I have version 3.0.1 software on the original installer CD, and every time I run the Install Giga Designs Updater app, it goes so far and then stays there. It never finishes the process. Here's a discussion of a similar installation woes: http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/index.php? showtopic=13307mode=linearplus Hope this type of contribution isn't bothersome ... I get into researching things ... maybe I shouldn't do this on others G3-G5 issues ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 QS question
You're going to end up paying 400-500 dollars for an upgrade like that. It's not worth it.-Jonas On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:02 PM, mark ray bluellama...@embarqmail.comwrote: So she meets 2 out of 3. Unfortunately, the one she does not even come close to is the most important here, and that is the processor. The QS 733 has no L3 cache, so it runs like a 533Mhz with a cache. Which is basically 1/3 of the speed of a G5 1.6. A processor upgrade will get her close, but one that gets close will run about as much as a used G5 Mac. So, the question is: How badly does she want to run World of Warcraft at playable frame rates? Len Thanks Len, the box the software she had originally installed indicates a different picture, the system she has should work. BUT she has performed all the online upgrades, so that is probably the issue. And she wants to play it alot, so I guess she will be saving up her pennies. Thanks for the info. mark ray bluellama...@embarqmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
