Re: [G3-5]Re: Upgrading an old G3
Hey! I'e forgot an important tip about installing Tiger on G3's that just have the onboard video: BEFORE running XPostFacto and BEFORE running the Toger installer, INSTALL Mac OS Jaguar 10.2, then update to 10.2.8, and then REMOVE the damned ATI driver that does not function well. After these steps, boot into Mac OS 9 and tell XPostFacto to install Tiger on the Jaguar partition. Making things this way, you will never get problems with onboard vide and Tiger. -- MaGioZal. http://fotolog.com/_magiozal/ On 6/14/09 6:58 PM, Kris Tilford at ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Yes, Tiger can run on this computer with the assistance of XPostFacto 4.0. There are significant issues. She would likely need more RAM, preferably the maximum 768MB (3x 256MB), but she could probably get by with the current 256MB, but low RAM will really churn the HD's use of virtual memory which can lead to HD failure, so getting enough RAM is a high priority. Also, the video may be really slow. The AIO shipped with only 2MB VRAM onboard. There is an optional 4MB stick you can get to bump it up to 6MB, but the OEM Rage video isn't good for Tiger. Ideally, you'd want to add a Radeon video card, but this is VERY DIFFICULT in the AIO and can't be easily accomplished. It's possible that if she was only using minimal email, etc, and didn't mind really slow interface she could possibly upgrade to Tiger as is and have some functionality, but again, from an economic standpoint this isn't a good idea, there are AGP G4's selling for less than the upgrade costs that will run circles around the AIO. G4 Mini's are also very reasonable upgrades in comparison to the AIO. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
My Seagate PATA 750GB drive (an Ultra ATA drive) has dropped out from time to time off my mobo IDE channel, and it has brought up the question of should I be using CS Mode or change it to Master / Slave (Master, since I only have one drive). I have a similar setup in my Digital Audio Dual 533, but it hasn't dropped out yet ... I get conflicting reports - One reference about specific requirements of Cable Select Mode in MDD and QS 2002ED Apple computers is: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA27008 A seemingly conflicting Apple document, says it doesn't support Ultra ATA drives in CS mode: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1815 According to this, I need to set it to something other than CS ... say Master since it is a single drive. Continuing to investigate before I change it ... could explain why it dropped out, having it set to CS? Probably to do with the Ultra ATA versus earlier ATA style drives? So what does that slit in the mobo IDE Apple supplied cable mean? Do I need to have my Ultra ATA drive jumpers set to Master (or Single)? in both my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz and my DA Dual 533? Maybe an easy one ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
SATA card for a G4 AGP?
Just looking at harddrive prices for larger drives, it seems that it might be worth my while to get a SATA controller card. I don't know anything about them, though. Is there anything in particular I should look for? Can I buy any SATA card, or does it have to specify for Mac? TIA, Joe == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Safari 4.0
At 1:53 AM -0300 6/15/2009, MaGioZal wrote: On 6/14/09 1:47 PM, tonycd at tonyl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Do I remember correctly that Safari 4 and Camino use a similar underlying engine? No... Camino uses the same engine as Firefox, but its interface and some resources are Cocoa-based. Safari uses the engine of Linux browser Konqueror. Safari uses WebKit - an open-source engine, originally - long ago now - based on a branch of KHTML. Konqueror uses KHTML. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SATA card for a G4 AGP?
Sonnet SATA cards... Look to ebay... You may look PCI Sonnet Sata cards... There is some alternatives according to Chipsets but really some other experts may give models (Pc models that work for Apple) for cheaper alternatives. 2009/6/15 joe j...@joethejuggler.com Just looking at harddrive prices for larger drives, it seems that it might be worth my while to get a SATA controller card. I don't know anything about them, though. Is there anything in particular I should look for? Can I buy any SATA card, or does it have to specify for Mac? TIA, Joe == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 14, 4:48 am, Gary D. g.dea...@web.de wrote: Why don't we just break up the group into two groups, one for top posters and one for bottom posters and than everybody will be happy. Or maybe not. (sorry) I would be happy because I neither read nor respond to top posters anyway. The exception to the preceeding is people who are obvious newbies who have never had the opportunity to learn better. The vast majority of top posters also fail to ever trim any of their quoted text. You can argue until cows get home email access about top vs. bottom posting, but failing to trim quoted text is a lazy inconsiderate poster happily wasting the time of hundreds of readers.It may not be apparent if you read lists on the Google Groups web interface, but if you have the digests or messages emailed to you, all that quoted text is a scrolling hell. Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
I thought that this thread was closed by the moderator? Also, GMail's reply function makes top posting, however annoying it may be to some people, but it is the default action, and I have not been able to figure out how to make it run otherwise. Sorry for the inconvenience. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, tragt...@io.com wrote: On Jun 14, 4:48 am, Gary D. g.dea...@web.de wrote: Why don't we just break up the group into two groups, one for top posters and one for bottom posters and than everybody will be happy. Or maybe not. (sorry) I would be happy because I neither read nor respond to top posters anyway. The exception to the preceeding is people who are obvious newbies who have never had the opportunity to learn better. The vast majority of top posters also fail to ever trim any of their quoted text. You can argue until cows get home email access about top vs. bottom posting, but failing to trim quoted text is a lazy inconsiderate poster happily wasting the time of hundreds of readers. It may not be apparent if you read lists on the Google Groups web interface, but if you have the digests or messages emailed to you, all that quoted text is a scrolling hell. -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
RPM has posted her builds of the latest Firefox 3.0.11. Note that the Moz developers have finally updated the app names, so they build correctly. Only official builds are allowed to use the Firefox name. All others, like these 3rd party optimized builds, are required to use the code names. It's a marketing thing... Firefox 1.5Deer Park Firefox 2.x Bon Echo Firefox 3.x Gran Paradiso and of course, Minefield is the bleeding edge main trunk. Optimized builds of Camino, SeaMonkey, and Thunderbird are also available on RPM's page. Enjoy! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SATA card for a G4 AGP?
I have a G4 Sawtooth that i put a 1.5 Mhz processor in and had a miserable experience with a FirmTek controller card. I replaced it with a Sonnet (Sonnet Tempo Serial ATA 2-Port Internal Serial ATA PCI Card) and it worked right away with my 500 GB SATA hard drive. --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com wrote: From: Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: SATA card for a G4 AGP? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:22 AM Sonnet SATA cards... Look to ebay... You may look PCI Sonnet Sata cards... There is some alternatives according to Chipsets but really some other experts may give models (Pc models that work for Apple) for cheaper alternatives. 2009/6/15 joe j...@joethejuggler.com Just looking at harddrive prices for larger drives, it seems that it might be worth my while to get a SATA controller card. I don't know anything about them, though. Is there anything in particular I should look for? Can I buy any SATA card, or does it have to specify for Mac? TIA, Joe ==Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com== -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that this thread was closed by the moderator? No, the other thread was closed. This is supposed to be the constructive discussion. Also, GMail's reply function makes top posting, however annoying it may be to some people, but it is the default action, and I have not been able to figure out how to make it run otherwise. I'm in GMail's web interface right now. It's working exactly as expected. You press the Reply button and it presents you with a window containing the quoted text. The cursor is at the top - right where it should be. Now, starting from the TOP, begin TRIMMING then inserting your replies AFTER the context. Then continue to the bottom, TRIMMING as you go. Done. Bottom posted and trimmed, using GMail's default interface. - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SATA card for a G4 AGP?
Interesting, I thought the Sonnet cards were simply re-branded Firmtek cards, but I don't remember where I heard that... maybe there you had some other problem? Anyway I have Firmtek SATA cards in my MDD and G5 PPC and they work fine. The MDD is booting from a single SATA drive and the PPC G5 is booting from a RAID 0 array with 3 SATA drives. Firmtek has specific firmware for older G4s, if you get one of their cards check out the Firmtek Support FAQs and get the correct firmware for your Sawtooth. On Jun 15, 11:41 am, Mike Baker psufa...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a G4 Sawtooth that i put a 1.5 Mhz processor in and had a miserable experience with a FirmTek controller card. I replaced it with a Sonnet (Sonnet Tempo Serial ATA 2-Port Internal Serial ATA PCI Card) and it worked right away with my 500 GB SATA hard drive. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Dante Armok dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Also, GMail's reply function makes top posting, however annoying it may be to some people, but it is the default action, and I have not been able to figure out how to make it run otherwise. I'm in GMail's web interface right now. It's working exactly as expected. One of the few constructive thing's I'm getting from this thread is to learn a few additional gmail tricks ... First, as to the top vs bottom aspect of gmail, yes, gmail *does* start you out with the cursor above the quoted text. If I want to add text below the quoted text I press ctrl-End in Windows or some other (annoying to me) key combination for my MacBook. OK, this may be too much work for some people, but it's an option. Second, should you wish to, it is possible to selectively quote text in gmail. Go to the Labs tab on the Settings page and scroll to about the halfway point on that entire page to find an option called *Quote selected text* by a Ryan A. If you enable it then the text you select in a message is what is quoted when you reply to that message. Granted, I keep forgetting to use this now that I've enabled it. But if I do it's easy enough to discard the reply, go back and select text, and then reply again. Also, it's an experimental feature so I suppose you can't rely on it. Doesn't matter that much to me. If it stops working then I'll find a way to cope with the loss. Again, others may not have the necessary emotional resilience. -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
At 10:09 AM -0400 6/15/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: My Seagate PATA 750GB drive (an Ultra ATA drive) has dropped out from time to time off my mobo IDE channel, and it has brought up the question of should I be using CS Mode or change it to Master / Slave (Master, since I only have one drive). If the system supports Cable Select, then use it. If in doubt, then just use the traditional Master/Slave set-up. Note that some drives support Master, Slave, and Master-Alone - the latter being a third setting (jumper). If not using CS, then always check for this. The drives that have that 3rd setting won't work reliably if just set them as Master then don't plug in a slave. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
At 12:23 PM -0400 6/15/2009, John Martz wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Dan wrote: Also, GMail's reply function makes top posting, however annoying it may be to some people, but it is the default action, and I have not been able to figure out how to make it run otherwise. I'm in GMail's web interface right now. It's working exactly as expected. One of the few constructive thing's I'm getting from this thread is to learn a few additional gmail tricks ... First, as to the top vs bottom aspect of gmail, yes, gmail does start you out with the cursor above the quoted text. If I want to add text below the quoted text I press ctrl-End in Windows or some other (annoying to me) key combination for my MacBook. Normal text editing shortcuts work, eg: cmd-downarrow. I strongly recommend leaving the mail client set to put you at the top tho. That way you can easily TRIM as you move down thru the message. If the client starts you at the bottom, then you probably won't take the time to go back to the top and trim. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
On Jun 15, 10:09 am, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: My Seagate PATA 750GB drive (an Ultra ATA drive) has dropped out from time to time off my mobo IDE channel, and it has brought up the question of should I be using CS Mode or change it to Master / Slave (Master, since I only have one drive). With only one drive I would set it as Master and place it on the end of the ATA cable, the place designated for Master drive. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 15, 12:35 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Normal text editing shortcuts work, eg: cmd-downarrow. I strongly recommend leaving the mail client set to put you at the top tho. That way you can easily TRIM as you move down thru the message. If the client starts you at the bottom, then you probably won't take the time to go back to the top and trim. Clearly I really didn't think much about this that much before I responded. But, in hindsight I'm now thinking that anyone who finds that using a key combination to post at the bottom of a quote is too much work is probably never going to be doing something as involved as trimming text. It's just not in their DNA. Interesting how this discussion just keeps going on and on and on and on ... The Energizer Bunny of Internet discussion posts. Sort of reminds me of that Monty Python skit on the arguments shop. Yes, it is! No it isn't! Yes, it is! and so ad infinitum. Also reminds me of what happens should I be so foolish as to try to argue with a cat about where to position a litter box in the house. I actually made that mistake. Once. Hopefully never again, but I *am* only human ... -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
On Jun 15, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Dan wrote: At 10:09 AM -0400 6/15/2009, Bill Connelly wrote: My Seagate PATA 750GB drive (an Ultra ATA drive) has dropped out from time to time off my mobo IDE channel, and it has brought up the question of should I be using CS Mode or change it to Master / Slave (Master, since I only have one drive). If the system supports Cable Select, then use it. If in doubt, then just use the traditional Master/Slave set-up. AND from dc: With only one drive I would set it as Master and place it on the end of the ATA cable, the place designated for Master drive. I decided to replace the short Apple Cable Select ATA cable with the out-of-the-box standard lengthy ATA cable, and set my Seagate Ultra ATA to Master. Believe that will work ... I was already using Master settings in my DA for its Seagate Ultra 500GB, since I was running off the Sonnet Trio ATA133/FW ... card, and was using another out-of-the-box standard ATA cable. Funny ... the top of the Seagate drives say use Cable Select for its Ultra ATA drive ... but one of Apple's docs says Cable Select won't work for Ultra ATAs in the Quicksilver 2002 and other G4s ... and to not use the Apple supplied cable ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
Dante Armok wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com mailto:shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that this thread was closed by the moderator? No, the other thread was closed. This is supposed to be the constructive discussion. What I don't understand, is why this thread is being discussed on this list? There is a proper list for list issues. http://groups.google.com/group/lemlists?hl=en --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G3-5 List group. To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 15, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Charles Lenington wrote: Dante Armok wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com mailto:shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that this thread was closed by the moderator? No, the other thread was closed. This is supposed to be the constructive discussion. What I don't understand, is why this thread is being discussed on this list? There is a proper list for list issues. http://groups.google.com/group/lemlists?hl=en Why? Because a LEM List Nanny started it here instead of on the proper list, where nobody would have seen his effort to get the top posting OK ruling by the List Mom reversed. Oh what a tangled web we weave --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:44 PM, PeterH wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:49 AM, insightinmind wrote: Funny ... the top of the Seagate drives say use Cable Select for its Ultra ATA drive ... but one of Apple's docs says Cable Select won't work for Ultra ATAs in the Quicksilver 2002 and other G4s ... and to not use the Apple supplied cable ... The Apple cables from the BW on are 80-wire/40-pin, and are configured for Cable Select so that the H-P/Compaq patented method of interrogating the drives may be used during startup. Just for the main hard drive connection: So it is NOT ok to use the UltraATA cable (Space Shuttle-D, Cd Pb Free, 80wire/40pin) supplied in a Retail Box Kit along with a Seagate UltraATA drive as the cable off the Apple mobo, because of a HP/ Compaq patented method of interrogating the drive at Startup, in my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz? I need to put back the short one with the slit (hence Cable Select cable), and set my Seagate to Master, because ... This article: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1815 says my Mac doesn't work with Ultra ATA drives set to Cable Select mode. This should remedy the situation as long as the Apple cable (Apple P/ N 590-2253 REV A) isn't damaged? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
At 2:13 PM -0500 6/15/2009, Charles Lenington wrote: Dante Armok wrote: No, the other thread was closed. This is supposed to be the constructive discussion. What I don't understand, is why this thread is being discussed on this list? There is a proper list for list issues. http://groups.google.com/group/lemlists?hl=en Sometimes it's not location location location so much as audience audience audience. The lem list lem list is all but dead... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
On Jun 15, 2009, at 12:18 PM, insightinmind wrote: Just for the main hard drive connection: So it is NOT ok to use the UltraATA cable (Space Shuttle-D, Cd Pb Free, 80wire/40pin) supplied in a Retail Box Kit along with a Seagate UltraATA drive as the cable off the Apple mobo, because of a HP/ Compaq patented method of interrogating the drive at Startup, in my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz? I need to put back the short one with the slit (hence Cable Select cable), and set my Seagate to Master, because ... This article: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1815 As usual, Apple covered too much in a single post. Many free (i.e., retail) cables are 80-wire/40-pin and are also Cable Select. These MAY BE USED in place of the short cable ... if you can figure out a way to fold them without also breaking the conductors. The 80-wire/40-pin cables have #30 AWG SOLID conductors, and are fragile. The 40-wire/40-pin cables have #28 AWG stranded conductors, and are not as fragile. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
Dan wrote: Optimized builds of Camino, SeaMonkey, and Thunderbird are also available on RPM's page. Do you have a link, Dan? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
a link or just what is RPMs page? On Jun 15, 1:32 pm, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Dan wrote: Optimized builds of Camino, SeaMonkey, and Thunderbird are also available on RPM's page. Do you have a link, Dan? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:32 PM, nestamicky wrote: Do you have a link, Dan? Here's a link, but honestly, you should learn to use Google. I'd never heard of this before, and it took me 10 seconds to find the link. So you'll know, I searched the terms: rpm optimized seamonkey. It wasn't the 1st hit on Google, it was the 10th hit, and that was because the british spell optimized as optimised, so the difference between a z and an s caused a slight glitch. The general rule on searching is to try specific search terms, in this case, seamonkey is the most specific, and to delineate from other versions, the term optimized was used. rpm is a requirement, but it also VERY common and vague, so it's only there because it's likely an absolute requirement. It doesn't take long to learn how to search effectively for yourself. http://www.rpm-mozilla.org.uk/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
Would love some suggestions on what to get to upgrade my 867 Power PC G4. We just added more memory and have 2 GB. The Bus speed is 133 MHz and I'm using 10.4.11. We have external LaCie and Maxtor hard drives but would like to beef up the G4 itself. thanks, joan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
At 3:08 PM -0500 6/15/2009, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:32 PM, nestamicky wrote: Do you have a link, Dan? d'oh. I can't believe I left it out. :( Sorry 'bout that. http://www.rpm-mozilla.org.uk/ Thx Kris. Addendum: The file service that RPM is using has set their server's file type handling badly... so when you download the archives, they'll be .dmg.html. Just rename them to be just .dmg, then they'll open properly. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 15, 10:33 am, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that this thread was closed by the moderator? Also, GMail's reply function makes top posting, however annoying it may be to some people, but it is the default action, and I have not been able to figure out how to make it run otherwise. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thus proving my point about (many) top posters being too lazy to trim quoted test. You quoted the entire message below your brief addition. As far as I can tell, you are not sorry, you're merely hoping that someone will give you a free pass. If you were sorry, you'd learn how to use your mail client and delete excess quoted text. I guarantee you, there is no email client that forces you to leave the entire previous message quoted in your new message. Jeff Walther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
No, the *original* thread was closed by the moderator who promptly started this thread... JT Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: I thought that this thread was closed by the moderator? Also, GMail's reply function makes top posting, however annoying it may be to some people, but it is the default action, and I have not been able to figure out how to make it run otherwise. Sorry for the inconvenience. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, tragt...@io.com wrote: On Jun 14, 4:48 am, Gary D. g.dea...@web.de wrote: Why don't we just break up the group into two groups, one for top posters and one for bottom posters and than everybody will be happy. Or maybe not. (sorry) I would be happy because I neither read nor respond to top posters anyway. The exception to the preceeding is people who are obvious newbies who have never had the opportunity to learn better. The vast majority of top posters also fail to ever trim any of their quoted text. You can argue until cows get home email access about top vs. bottom posting, but failing to trim quoted text is a lazy inconsiderate poster happily wasting the time of hundreds of readers.It may not be apparent if you read lists on the Google Groups web interface, but if you have the digests or messages emailed to you, all that quoted text is a scrolling hell. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
On Jun 15, 2009, at 1:13 PM, joan wrote: Would love some suggestions on what to get to upgrade my 867 Power PC G4. We just added more memory and have 2 GB. The Bus speed is 133 MHz and I'm using 10.4.11. We have external LaCie and Maxtor hard drives but would like to beef up the G4 itself. 10.4.11 works very well. I use it every day as my mail handler. What I have done is piggy-back a 500 GB drive on top of the 160 GB main drive. Today, I would piggy-back a 750 GB drive. As usual, there is the issue of LBA48, and for that purpose I use the NVRAM strings. But, there is now a free driver for MacOS so you won't have to but High Cap. You would still partition your drive as if you were using High Cap: the first partition would be 131,072 MB and the second partition would be the remainder of the drive. With the NVRAM strings, you may be able to use the entire drive as a single partition. I haven't tried that, but I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work as the LBA48 properties are added persistently to the MacOS ROM. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
USB 2.0 card not recognizing iPod
About two years ago, I installed a new Adaptec 3200 series USB 2.0 PCI card in my G4 MDD 2003 1.25GHz PowerMac. It worked fine with my scanner but it did not always recognize my iPod (first the mini, then the nano). It would recognize it immediately after the computer was booted up; after that it was hit-and-miss (mostly miss). More recently, I have tried two other cards, an I/O Gear and a Syba, the latter billed as having the quality NEC chipset. Neither of them improved the situation. Occasionally the card will also fail to recognize a USB flash drive. This happens much less frequently than the failure to recognize the iPod, but perhaps it is a clue. Also, there is an installed USB 1.1 card that always recognizes the iPods. Any idea as to what might be happening here would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Herb Goodfriend Elizabeth, New Jersey --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
On Jun 15, 2009, at 1:41 PM, nestamicky wrote: Unless you have a PCI card, or get the ?Highcap text? software, you'd be limited to 128 GB. Three options, none of which require a PCI card: 1) Intech's High Cap extension, 2) the open-source (free) extension which does the same thing, and 3) the LBA48 property strings which are semi-permanently added to the MacOS ROM (at least until the next reset-nvram, which may be never). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:34 PM, PeterH wrote: Three options, none of which require a PCI card: 1) Intech's High Cap extension, 2) the open-source (free) extension which does the same thing, and [ * ] 3) the LBA48 property strings which are semi-permanently added to the MacOS ROM (at least until the next reset-nvram, which may be never). [ * ] It's called Overdrive. http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/29409 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 15, 2009, at 1:47 PM, James E. Therrault wrote: No, the *original* thread was closed by the moderator who promptly started this thread... JT Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: I thought that this thread was closed by the moderator? The moderator is a LEM list nanny and should know better than to start an off-topic discussion on this list instead of the LEM List, except that his desire to have things his way apparently is more important than list rules, or protocol, or a previous decision by the List Mom. If I were the List Mom, I'd either banish him or at least moderate his posts for this infraction if not for his insurrection. Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jim Scottjesco...@gmail.com wrote: The moderator is a LEM list nanny and should know better than to start an off-topic discussion on this list instead of the LEM List, except that his desire to have things his way apparently is more important than list rules, or protocol, or a previous decision by the List Mom. If I were the List Mom, I'd either banish him or at least moderate his posts for this infraction if not for his insurrection. Talking about list rules and policies is not off topic. Perhaps you would like to spend the time Kyle and other Nannies have to keep the lists civilized. It is a rather thankless job. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 15, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jim Scottjesco...@gmail.com wrote: The moderator is a LEM list nanny and should know better than to start an off-topic discussion on this list instead of the LEM List, except that his desire to have things his way apparently is more important than list rules, or protocol, or a previous decision by the List Mom. If I were the List Mom, I'd either banish him or at least moderate his posts for this infraction if not for his insurrection. Talking about list rules and policies is not off topic. Well, yes and no. LEM netiquette permits talking about list rules and policies in posts to the list. So, you are right. However, this list's FAQ also says discussions like this should be taken to LEMlists: Be sure to read our guide to netiquette before posting to the list. If you wish to discuss the list rules, please join LEMlists, our 'meta- list' for discussing the lists and their rules. So it looks as if the List Mom and his Nannies have yet another conflict/issue to reconcile. Perhaps you would like to spend the time Kyle and other Nannies have to keep the lists civilized. It is a rather thankless job. No, thank you. I was responsible for letters to the editor columns on a number of regional, national and international publications for 40 years and have no need to continue trying to roll rocks back up the mountain ... or to prove to myself yet again that cats (and their ilk) cannot be herded. Ever. To paraphrase, Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to control. But to stay on topic in this thread, please note how I've bottom- posted, even interleaved in this instance, as well as trimmed excess line spaces and text. Members of this list who truly are interested in following topics will follow the commonsense process for doing so. This means reading left to right, top to bottom, which is how it's done everywhere else in the English-speaking world of communications where ideas are published for public consumption -- books, magazines, online web sites, newspapers, labels on packages, etc. In private communications where two or no more than a few parties are sharing ideas or discussing a subject, such as buying/selling an item or agreeing to meet at a certain place/time, etc., untrimmed top posting works very well because it is easier and quicker and acts much like a face to face (or telephonic) conversation. The last post then serves as a complete and valuable record of the transaction/discussion/ whatever. Top posting has its place, just as does bottom posting (or variants such as interleaved posting). I generally bottom post when putting my thoughts into words on this online list and others simply because it's the best way to convey and understand thoughts, ideas and concepts in written English. I generally top post in private conversations when I don't have to be concerned about people who haven't been privy to the conversations from the beginning. -- Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:52 PM, Jim Scott wrote: snip The moderator is a LEM list nanny and should know better than to start an off-topic discussion on this list instead of the LEM List, except that his desire to have things his way apparently is more important than list rules, or protocol, or a previous decision by the List Mom. If I were the List Mom, I'd either banish him or at least moderate his posts for this infraction if not for his insurrection. Jim Chuckle At least it's been civil, and not strayed too far. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/15/09 12:32 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: Sometimes it's not location location location so much as audience audience audience. The lem list lem list is all but dead... - Dan. Beat me to it again...I just got home...dangit. There are more active members here...that's why I started it here. I am Blind Ccing as to nannies as I go along on some posts. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/15/09 2:52 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: The moderator is a LEM list nanny and should know better than to start an off-topic discussion on this list instead of the LEM List, except that his desire to have things his way apparently is more important than list rules, or protocol, or a previous decision by the List Mom. If I were the List Mom, I'd either banish him or at least moderate his posts for this infraction if not for his insurrection. Jim Running for my castle...the villagers are coming. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
On Jun 15, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Charles Lenington wrote: [ * ] It's called Overdrive. http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/29409 404 error - not found I had absolutely NO trouble finding it. Perhaps you should use Google on Overdrive or another search key. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/15/09 3:32 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: Perhaps you would like to spend the time Kyle and other Nannies have to keep the lists civilized. It is a rather thankless job. OMG. Did I really see that? Thank you Wallace. We delete trolls and spamers and spend an hour a day easily, just approving of rejecting spam posts etc. You guys have no idea what we go though. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 15, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/15/09 2:52 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: The moderator is a LEM list nanny and should know better than to start an off-topic discussion on this list instead of the LEM List, except that his desire to have things his way apparently is more important than list rules, or protocol, or a previous decision by the List Mom. If I were the List Mom, I'd either banish him or at least moderate his posts for this infraction if not for his insurrection. Jim Running for my castle...the villagers are coming. ... armed with torches and pitchforks. ;-) -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Where can I get a USB port capable of supporting my iPhone G4
and dose anyone know how to install it I just want to make my iphone work with my G4 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just wanna run lepord properly. I am on tiger --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Help (Way OT)
Hi All... There are a lot of serious tech folk out there. Can someone with Sun system experience contact me off-list? Many thanks and an apology! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:06 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just wanna run lepord properly. I am on tiger __ Check the archive of the past year. This was a hot issue when Leopard came out.. I believe you find several listers willing to help with your case. You might also join the unsupported X list. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On 6/15/09 4:45 PM, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net Broadcast into the ether: ... armed with torches and pitchforks. ;-) They always are. I try to be the nicest I can be but sometimes I come off wrong. It will all be answered by Dan Knight. But suffice it to say there is one very important advantage to bottom or interleaved posting. That benefit is that most of the people that have the answers to all your questions do not like top posting. Some may reform the message so it is readable for those that get the archive, or some may do what I do. If someone top posts I just delete the message instantly. I wish there was a top posting filter in Entourage so I could just save a step and have them land in the trash. I do the same ESAECIALLY for someone who top posts 23 messages behind their 3 words. :-) -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:06 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just wanna run lepord properly. I am on tiger Which G4? There are basically two: 1) the 100 MHz bus G4 (Gigabit Ethernet, and earlier models), and 2) the 133 MHz bus G4 (Digital Audio, and later models). (I have NO mirror drive door G4s, so I cannot voice an opinion on those). The best upgrade is probably the Giga-Designs. However, those are hard to come by, OWC has an upgrade which is basically a Giga-Designs processor, but is comes with OWC's warranty, and it DOES NOT support over-clocking. The true Giga-Designs processor, purchased from them, DOES support over-clocking. The Giga-Designs upgrade is nice in that it can be set by jumpers for either a 100 MHz bus or a 133 MHz bus, and it accepts both the 100 MHz processor position or the 133 MHz processor position (each are quite different), and the cooling system is designed for both, and is user-adjustable for both. Whichever ... The only chips being made these days are 1.4 GHz G4s, and any processor upgrades, whether from Giga-Designs, or OWC, or others, are simply 1.4 GHz chips which are being over-clocked, but are guaranteed by the seller to work at 1.5 or 1.6 or 1.whatever GHz. Caveat emptor! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:06 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just wanna run lepord properly. I am on tiger No. Leopard WILL run just fine on any Mac G4 that was originally 867 Mhz or better; and there are ways of getting it to run on older systems. Jim has posted the full requirements but those are all pretty much covered by 'was 867 MHz or faster to start with.' With CPU, memory and video upgrades older systems will work as well, but the money spent on that would be far better put to use paying for a newer Mac. I run 10.5 on my 1GHZ TiBook just fine, and it also runs well on my upgraded Gigabit Ethernet, which has an upgraded processor (1Ghz) and video card (ATI Radeon 9000). That machine was upgraded a long time ago, it's really not worth upgrading that system today to those specs. Sufficient memory is crucial: 768M or better is recommended, 512M or better is absolutely needed. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help (Way OT)
On 6/15/09 5:08 PM, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net Broadcast into the ether: Hi All... There are a lot of serious tech folk out there. Can someone with Sun system experience contact me off-list? Many thanks and an apology! Amanda I am more Apple/Cisco, but I have some Sun knowledge. What's up. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where can I get a USB port capable of supporting my iPhone G4
On Jun 15, 2009, at 3:41 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: and dose anyone know how to install it I just want to make my iphone work with my G4 I have a IOGear USB2 card in my G4; it works just fine. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Kyle Hansenpi...@speakeasy.net wrote: On 6/15/09 3:32 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: Perhaps you would like to spend the time Kyle and other Nannies have to keep the lists civilized. It is a rather thankless job. OMG. Did I really see that? Thank you Wallace. We delete trolls and spamers and spend an hour a day easily, just approving of rejecting spam posts etc. You guys have no idea what we go though. _ I can guess having been on LEM for a decade now. What I do not have to guess about is the chaos an unmoderated list falls into. Being on several. I also do not have to guess at the chaos this list can fall into. Having seen it many times. Some take a mere moments lull in moderating as a license to mouth off. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
On Jun 15, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Charles Lenington wrote: [ * ] It's called Overdrive. http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/29409 404 error - not found TRY: http://mac.profusehost.net/overdrive/index.html Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help (Way OT)
On 6/15/09 5:18 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net Broadcast into the ether: On 6/15/09 5:08 PM, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net Broadcast into the ether: I am more Apple/Cisco, but I have some Sun knowledge. What's up. See even I make a mistakes. I am giving myself polite warning...done. OK...back to business. And Amanda Hit me offlist if you need help. -- Kyle H. Hansen It's Always darkest... right before it gets totally black. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
Hi Matt... On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:06 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just Sorry... I can't imagine any way that could work. Best bet to get the Big Cat working would be a processor upgrade. The minimum requirement is 867 MHz (IIRC). There is a firmware hack to install Leopard on slower CPU's. I have it running on a Digital Audio 733 and it's okay... not great, but okay. Which G4 do you have? That would help making suggestions. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where Do I Find Reliable Info On Color Critical Monitor Choices?
Hi Adrian, good question re:Color Calibration's Usefulness To Me? It's easy to overlook the variable knowledge bases and interests of the list members in one's quest for assistance with a more narrow question. The purpose of my efforts at color matching is to: A: I want my 'pictures' to appear consistently the same when I open then, no matter how far apart they're opened over time :-) B: I want the images I send to a home printer to bear a close resemblence to what I see on my monitor before hitting print :-) C: I want to take advantage of the 'profiles' available from a Photo Lab I use to primarily print my photographs. :-) I know enough about color theory and science to throw big words and odd little phrases into an explanation of HOW the equipment does it's Color Voodoo Stuff to make Monitors, CPU's, Printers, TV's, Projectors, and such all play Nice Nice together, but it would only impress someone who wouldn't know I don't know enough to explain how it works! :-) I'll venture enough to say that an electronic detector is used to measure the 'colors' your equipment is either displaying or printing and uses software and such to smooth out the often disastrous trip our images suffer going from screen to print or from computer to tv or whatever! If anyone wants to explain it better - God In Heaven - Please Do :-) I think I know enough to trust my decision to use a color calibrator and I feel comfortable reaching for the 'pricier' option of the Color Munki Photo choice of equipment, but I firmly believe the greatest sign of intelligence is acknowledging what one does not know, seeking to acquire that knowledge, and being receptive to the acquisition of knowledge one is lacking. Thanks Richard On Jun 11, 10:02 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM, aussieshepsrockilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks All, I must say that a Color Calibrator (ColorSpyder or ColorMunki type unit) is absolutely at the top of my shopping list. I can state with unequivacobal authority that no matter how wonderful the 'software' calibration is built into our preferred OS, the fact our calibrations are done with 'Human Eyes' makes them completely unrepeatable. There is no getting around the variability of the 'sensors' never mind the ongoing variables of our 'brain's' flexible color perception and the changing nature of the illumination of the room the monitor is used - either the bulbs age and change or the varying 'solar' illumination of a window impinges on the situation. I DEFINITELY use the Software Calibration in OSX - on a quite routine basis! But it's always with the acceptance of it's limitations. It's a usable process, is a workable assistant in chasing color gremlins, but it falls short in critical ways. ___ Out of curiosity on my own part would you care to share your purpose in color matching. i.e. What task are you trying to accomplish? Color matching from print to web? From Video to print? This may be useful as an illustration to those on the list who are unfamiliar with this process and it's uses. Thanks, Adrian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
Thanks, the G4 runs just fine without it ... Well better than fine, considering it's 7 years old! LOL . Tiger is just fine with me. Although as soon as I can get the cash for the mac mini, I will get it simply because I want to run dual boot for diabblo III. LOL On Jun 15, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:06 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just wanna run lepord properly. I am on tiger You cannot put an Intel processor in your G4, for a lot of reasons. Here are Apple's system requirements for Leopard, OS X 10.5: Mac OS X 10.5 requires: • A Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or Power PC G4 (867 M Hz or faster) processor • 512 MB memory or more • A DVD drive for installation • 9 GB of available disk space or more • Some features require a compatible Internet service provider, f ees may apply. • Some features require Apple's .Mac service; fees apply. Notes • Computers with processor upgrade cards are not supported with M ac OS X. Although Mac OS X may install and appear to work normally on some computers with third-party microprocessor upgrade cards, Apple does not provide technical support or assistance for Mac OS X when used in this way. Contact the manufacturer of your microprocessor upgrade card for support information. • Check out the Mac OS X Leopard Technical Specs website for additional details on Leopard requirements (http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/ ) • You should also read the Before You Install document included on your Mac OS X installation disc. If your Mac meets or exceeds all of the basic hardware requirements, you can install and run Leopard without changing a thing. On the other hand, since Snow Leopard will not support your G4's PPC processor, you will not be able to upgrade to 10.6 in September. Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
I have the basic with DVD rom, I just realized that I need to study up wy more on MAC they are so neat, organized and smooth, my friend has the new iMac and I love it, soon after toting with his a little my aunt was moving out of her house,and GAVE ME her g4 witch was still in the box! She said that she played with it once and dident like it , and she never got around to returning it, so it's practally brand new! And it runs as if so! I love my pmg4! On Jun 15, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Matt... On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:06 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just Sorry... I can't imagine any way that could work. Best bet to get the Big Cat working would be a processor upgrade. The minimum requirement is 867 MHz (IIRC). There is a firmware hack to install Leopard on slower CPU's. I have it running on a Digital Audio 733 and it's okay... not great, but okay. Which G4 do you have? That would help making suggestions. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
On 6/15/09 12:33 PM, Dan at dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Optimized builds of Camino, SeaMonkey, and Thunderbird are also available on RPM's page. Where's the URL? -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/photos/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: SATA card for a G4 AGP?
On 6/15/09 12:22 PM, Baha Ata at baha...@gmail.com wrote: Sonnet SATA cards... Look to ebay... You may look PCI Sonnet Sata cards... There is some alternatives according to Chipsets but really some other experts may give models (Pc models that work for Apple) for cheaper alternatives. Are the other generic PCI-SATA cards usable and bootable with G3 PCI Macs? -- MaGioZal. http://fotolog.com/_magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
At 11:15 PM -0300 6/15/2009, MaGioZal wrote: On 6/15/09 12:33 PM, Dan at dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Optimized builds of Camino, SeaMonkey, and Thunderbird are also available on RPM's page. Where's the URL? See Kris' reply, posted 5 hours ago. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Where can I get a USB port capable of supporting my iPhone G4
On 6/15/09 9:18 PM, Bruce Johnson at john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: and dose anyone know how to install it I just want to make my iphone work with my G4 I have a IOGear USB2 card in my G4; it works just fine. I have a generic NEC-chipped PCI-USB2 card here in my Beige and it works pretty fine, both in Mac OS 9 and X. -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
On 6/15/09 11:27 PM, Dan at dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Where's the URL? See Kris' reply, posted 5 hours ago. Sorry, I read abou it after posting the reply... -- MaGioZal. http://fotolog.com/_magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Horrible, horrible, horrible video
Thanks for reading. It's my G4 Titanium 400Mhz. It's crap on any video site, including Youtube. Trusty Pismo was not this horrible. Now, Dan, would rpm save me here? I'm using both the latest---non rpm--version of FF and Safari 3.x. Horrible video, and by that is meant; very jerky. Running 10.4 with 768 ram. Fully updated, except for the latest Safari. Ideas, suggestions? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
I have a G3 600mhz iMac and runs bad on yourtube too. You need a computer with a processor better than a G3 or a early G4. It's because flash is a CPU hog. Stephen Weber On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for reading. It's my G4 Titanium 400Mhz. It's crap on any video site, including Youtube. Trusty Pismo was not this horrible. Now, Dan, would rpm save me here? I'm using both the latest---non rpm--version of FF and Safari 3.x. Horrible video, and by that is meant; very jerky. Running 10.4 with 768 ram. Fully updated, except for the latest Safari. Ideas, suggestions? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
On Jun 15, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Stephen Weber wrote: I have a G3 600mhz iMac and runs bad on yourtube too. You need a computer with a processor better than a G3 or a early G4. It's because flash is a CPU hog. I've had some Pentium III PC laptops that were equivalent MHz to G3 and early G4 Apples. It always bothered me immensely that a 700MHz PIII could play almost all video completely smoothly with an 8MB Radeon video card; and a G4 PowerBook with 8MB Radeon, or G3 700-900MHz iBook with 16MB Radeon both completely choke on even simple video, and coaxing any smooth video playback is a real chore. I used such a 700MHz PIII to watch the Beijing Olympics online via MS Silverlight (which has no PPC Mac port), and it displayed fine on my 40 Samsung LCD TV. Conversely, my G4 Mini with 32MB Radeon seems to stutter from time-to-time on lots of different video formats, and it's running at 1.58GHz, over twice as fast as the PIII. The bus width should double that speed again, so on the face I'd think the Mini was minimally 4x faster CPU/Bus, with 4x the VRAM, and 2x the RAM (1GB vs 512MB), and yet for video playback the PIII won hands down? What's the deal? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: USB 2.0 card not recognizing iPod
Herbert Goodfriend wrote: About two years ago, I installed a new Adaptec 3200 series USB 2.0 PCI card in my G4 MDD 2003 1.25GHz PowerMac. It worked fine with my scanner but it did not always recognize my iPod (first the mini, then the nano). It would recognize it immediately after the computer was booted up; after that it was hit-and-miss (mostly miss). More recently, I have tried two other cards, an I/O Gear and a Syba, the latter billed as having the quality NEC chipset. Neither of them improved the situation. Occasionally the card will also fail to recognize a USB flash drive. This happens much less frequently than the failure to recognize the iPod, but perhaps it is a clue. Also, there is an installed USB 1.1 card that always recognizes the iPods. Any idea as to what might be happening here would be appreciated. It's likely you are running afoul of sleep. I haven't used a USB card on a G4 yet that didn't have problems with the computer sleeping. At best they simple don't do anything after waking from sleep, at worst they hang the computer before or after it sleeps. I've heard reports the NEC chipset doesn't have a problem but apparently that isn't (always) the case. As far as I've found out, the only options are to restart the computer before using the interface or to set the computer to not sleep. Note that this isn't display sleep but computer sleep. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
On 6/16/09 1:08 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio at fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming you need to stick with this machine my first suggestion is to max the RAM. You could also try adjusting caching if at all possible. You may also have virtual memory turned on which I believe may account for the jerkiness. You say it is crappy on any video site. As an experiment put IE5 on it and look for some Windows video. That worked for my old 9600 300 MHz. Well, I'm here on a 266MHz G3 with 512MB of RAM and 10.4, and YouTube is very crappy here -- I can see the video in slow motion mode and an unsynchronized audio, even when the YouTube file is completely buffered/downloaded. Should it be fault of the 6MB VRAM onboard video, too? -- MaGioZal. http://fotolog.com/_magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: USB 2.0 card not recognizing iPod
On 6/16/09 1:13 AM, Clark Martin at cm...@sonic.net wrote: I've heard reports the NEC chipset doesn't have a problem but apparently that isn't (always) the case. MmmmŠ wird. My G3 here also sleeps well. Better than me, in fact...:-P -- MaGioZal. http://fotolog.com/_magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Java Update/Software Update Glitch
Kris Tilford wrote: There's a new Java Update today, again, we're about a year and a half behind Windows/PC world. I've been using Leopard on my PPC G5 since the beginning, and every single time I use the Install and Keep Package option on Software Update, and so far it almost never saves the package. The one time it did save a package was the time I forgot the use the Install and Keep Package option, and in the midst of several packages that were already downloaded I tried to change to the Install and Keep Package option. One single package was saved, and it was saved in the Downloads folder rather than the LibraryPackages folder that was used in all previous versions of OS X. Has anyone using Leopard on a PPC Mac got the Install and Keep Package option of Software Update to work? Try doing download only. After it downloads you can save the files where you want to then tell it to install the files. A lot of updates show up as folders with a package file (and others) inside. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Java Update/Software Update Glitch
At 5:37 PM -0500 6/15/2009, Kris Tilford wrote: There's a new Java Update today Just installed it. So far so good. (on Tiger) , again, we're about a year and a half behind Windows/PC world. Pitiful. Apple should be ashamed. Bad enough that they're way behind on so many packages wrt bug fixes,,, but this is a security vulnerability! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: USB 2.0 card not recognizing iPod
MaGioZal wrote: On 6/16/09 1:13 AM, Clark Martin at cm...@sonic.net wrote: I've heard reports the NEC chipset doesn't have a problem but apparently that isn't (always) the case. MmmmŠ wird. My G3 here also sleeps well. Better than me, in fact...:-P Beige G3s and BWs don't sleep. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: USB 2.0 card not recognizing iPod
On 6/16/09 1:44 AM, Clark Martin at cm...@sonic.net wrote: Beige G3s and BWs don't sleep. What? But what happens when I hit the choice sleep trough the power buuton of the keyboard? -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/photos/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: USB 2.0 card not recognizing iPod
MaGioZal wrote: On 6/16/09 1:44 AM, Clark Martin at cm...@sonic.net wrote: Beige G3s and BWs don't sleep. What? But what happens when I hit the choice sleep trough the power buuton of the keyboard? The display sleeps but not the computer. G4 towers and iMacs introduced computer sleep. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:14 AM, MaGioZalmagio...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/16/09 1:08 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio at fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming you need to stick with this machine my first suggestion is to max the RAM. You could also try adjusting caching if at all possible. You may also have virtual memory turned on which I believe may account for the jerkiness. You say it is crappy on any video site. As an experiment put IE5 on it and look for some Windows video. That worked for my old 9600 300 MHz. Well, I'm here on a 266MHz G3 with 512MB of RAM and 10.4, and YouTube is very crappy here -- I can see the video in slow motion mode and an unsynchronized audio, even when the YouTube file is completely buffered/downloaded. Should it be fault of the 6MB VRAM onboard video, too? __- How much RAM free space do you have left after OS X loads? Not much is it ? Also you could try putting a faster cpu in it unless it is soldered in. A PCI video card may help. But maybe not. Because you fully download before playing I assume your connection is perhaps dial-up. Will the machine accept a full Gig of RAM? But 233 MHz may be just too overworked. Unless the files are quite small. Will the file fit in RAM? I doubt it. Is virtual memory turned on ? Probably. Every time VM has to search for the next frames to buffer you get a hesitation. You might try OS 9 and find it works somewhat better. But probably not as much as you hope. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
Good. I just tried to make a few copies. Already failed 2 out of 3. Lots of wasted media. Dual-layer is a real pain. Mohamad On Jun 15, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Stephen Weber wrote: I have a G3 600mhz iMac and runs bad on yourtube too. You need a computer with a processor better than a G3 or a early G4. It's because flash is a CPU hog. Stephen Weber On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for reading. It's my G4 Titanium 400Mhz. It's crap on any video site, including Youtube. Trusty Pismo was not this horrible. Now, Dan, would rpm save me here? I'm using both the latest---non rpm--version of FF and Safari 3.x. Horrible video, and by that is meant; very jerky. Running 10.4 with 768 ram. Fully updated, except for the latest Safari. Ideas, suggestions? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
On 6/16/09 2:46 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio at fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Because you fully download before playing I assume your connection is perhaps dial-up. No, it isn't -- it's a slow, 256kbps cable-modem connection... Will the machine accept a full Gig of RAM? Close to this -- 768MB of RAM. But 233 MHz may be just too overworked. Unless the files are quite small. In fact, the velocity of my G3's processor is 266MHz. -- MaGioZal. http://twitter.com/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Error in address
Sorry. I meant to send an email to a specific member used the wrong address. My apologies. Anyway the message doesn't mean much. It has no bearing on the subject. Mo Hammad San Diego, CA 92117 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
