Re: Help (Way OT)
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Amanda Wardamanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All... There are a lot of serious tech folk out there. Can someone with Sun system experience contact me off-list? I'm not sure how this is at all tech related, but I think wikipedia can probably answer most of your questions about the sun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun. -- Best Regards, John Musbach --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Charles Leningtonmacso...@brightok.net wrote: What I don't understand, is why this thread is being discussed on this list? There is a proper list for list issues. http://groups.google.com/group/lemlists?hl=en Oh please, that list is just where banned members go to cry into a blackhole. I can't recall the last time I've ever seen a nanny post there, it's just for appearances it would seem. -- Best Regards, John Musbach --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessiofluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Talking about list rules and policies is not off topic. Except that it is, it belongs on the lemlists list but since that's simply a blackhole where all complaints fall to deaf ears no one posts there... Even the nannies would rather encourage long off topic rants on a high traffic list like this rather than have their political agenda fall on deaf ears. -- Best Regards, John Musbach --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:24 AM, John Musbachjohnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessiofluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Talking about list rules and policies is not off topic. Except that it is, it belongs on the lemlists list but since that's simply a blackhole where all complaints fall to deaf ears no one posts there... Even the nannies would rather encourage long off topic rants on a high traffic list like this rather than have their political agenda fall on deaf ears. Whatever the agenda is we all agreed to the terms of use when we joined. They are Dan's lists to run run as he pleases. There are other options on the web. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessiofluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever the agenda is we all agreed to the terms of use when we joined. They are Dan's lists to run run as he pleases. There are other options on the web. Is he running it? I haven't heard a peep from him throughout the duration of this insistent beating of a dead horse... -- Best Regards, John Musbach --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:31 AM, John Musbachjohnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessiofluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever the agenda is we all agreed to the terms of use when we joined. They are Dan's lists to run run as he pleases. There are other options on the web. Is he running it? I haven't heard a peep from him throughout the duration of this insistent beating of a dead horse... __ Anyone has the opportunity to write to him directly to find out. You needn't ask permission. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
RPM has posted her builds of the latest Firefox 3.0.11. Note that the Moz developers have finally updated the app names, so they build correctly. Only official builds are allowed to use the Firefox name. All others, like these 3rd party optimized builds, are required to use the code names. It's a marketing thing... Firefox 1.5Deer Park Firefox 2.xBon Echo Firefox 3.xGran Paradiso and of course, Minefield is the bleeding edge main trunk. Optimized builds of Camino, SeaMonkey, and Thunderbird are also available on RPM's page. How are the above mentioned builds different from the version that Firefox automatically updated my BW to? (Firefox 3.0.11.) Larry Eden --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
Stephen Weber wrote: I have a G3 600mhz iMac and runs bad on yourtube too. You need a computer with a processor better than a G3 or a early G4. It's because flash is a CPU hog. Well that's fine, but my Pismo 400 runs Youtube well, way, better than the Ti G4. Stephen Weber On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com mailto:nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for reading. It's my G4 Titanium 400Mhz. It's crap on any video site, including Youtube. Trusty Pismo was not this horrible. Now, Dan, would rpm save me here? I'm using both the latest---non rpm--version of FF and Safari 3.x. Horrible video, and by that is meant; very jerky. Running 10.4 with 768 ram. Fully updated, except for the latest Safari. Ideas, suggestions? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
On Jun 16, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: How are the above mentioned builds different from the version that Firefox automatically updated my BW to? They lack the code for any processor type other than the CPU for which they are optimised (British spelling of RPMs page). They may be a tad faster, but I tried many of the Optimized versions on Furbism's page (http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/), and some didn't function completely; whereas the normal, multi-CPU versions always worked, so I'm a little skeptical of these homemade optimized versions. If you're really short on HD space they may save a few MB, but running Monolingual can extract the non-CPU specific code also, so there are two ways to skin this cat. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just wanna run lepord properly. I am on tiger You can run Leopard on your g4 if it has an 8xxmhz processor and a stick of 512 of ram. I would recommend a good video card also. In my experience I am running tiger with a 1.2ghz processor and 2gigs of ram but I have a crap video card. If i upgrade that I know my g4 would run GREAT. macs run poorly with crappy video cards in my experience. This is just my opinion as I am not trained or anything. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
On 16/06/2009, at 3:24 PM, nestamicky wrote: Thanks for reading. It's my G4 Titanium 400Mhz. It's crap on any video site, including Youtube. Trusty Pismo was not this horrible. Now, Dan, would rpm save me here? I'm using both the latest---non rpm--version of FF and Safari 3.x. Horrible video, and by that is meant; very jerky. Running 10.4 with 768 ram. Fully updated, except for the latest Safari. Ideas, suggestions? If you are just going to watch Youtube, I would suggest you get a Youtube downloader (Google, and it will easily be found), and watch the downloaded Youtube on something like VLC. Or, like me, I would switch onto my Panther 10.3 partition, running Firefox 2.04 to watch anything Flash based. It seems to work for me, and Youtube works fine like that. Upgrading ram may help, with my iMac, I had 512mb ram, but upgraded to 768mb, which sped flash up a bit. Thanks, Po-en Tsai -- iMac G3 350 MHz, running OSX 10.4, 10.3 and OS 9.2.2 with 768MB ram. Quite speedy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
On Jun 15, 2009, at 10:44 PM, nestamicky wrote: Well that's fine, but my Pismo 400 runs Youtube well, way, better than the Ti G4. Have you tried enabling Quartz Extreme on the TiBook? If not, it might be worth a try, using PCI Extreme 3.1 from MacUpdate. It works fine under 10.4.11 on my Beige G4 upgraded with Radeon 9100. I've never known anyone who enabled the 8MB Radeon of the TiBook, but it is supported by PCI Extreme, although I think it's a slightly special install? I've also heard that enabling Quartz Extreme on these really too small VRAM Radeon's can slow down video playback even more, so it would be good to find some type of benchmarks beforehand, and then measure the difference after enabling Quartz Extreme. If it's slower, just uninstall PCI Extreme and revert. To be sure Quartz Extreme is working you can use QuartzExtreme Check 1.2. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Stephen Weber wrote: I have a G3 600mhz iMac and runs bad on yourtube too. You need a computer with a processor better than a G3 or a early G4. It's because flash is a CPU hog. I've had some Pentium III PC laptops that were equivalent MHz to G3 and early G4 Apples. It always bothered me immensely that a 700MHz PIII could play almost all video completely smoothly with an 8MB Radeon video card; and a G4 PowerBook with 8MB Radeon, or G3 700-900MHz iBook with 16MB Radeon both completely choke on even simple video, and coaxing any smooth video playback is a real chore. I used such a 700MHz PIII to watch the Beijing Olympics online via MS Silverlight (which has no PPC Mac port), and it displayed fine on my 40 Samsung LCD TV. Conversely, my G4 Mini with 32MB Radeon seems to stutter from time-to-time on lots of different video formats, and it's running at 1.58GHz, over twice as fast as the PIII. The bus width should double that speed again, so on the face I'd think the Mini was minimally 4x faster CPU/Bus, with 4x the VRAM, and 2x the RAM (1GB vs 512MB), and yet for video playback the PIII won hands down? What's the deal? Kris your case is sad, really sad. And I wish someone out there could explainwhat's the deal? I would think, being completely drunk, that a 1.58 ghz machine would beat a P3 machine. I do have a P3 laptop of similar specs like yours and never noticed this kinds of issues. And when I moved to the G4 from my Pismothough not completely yet---I thought all this kinds of problems history. I guess not. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
On Jun 15, 2009, at 10:52 PM, nestamicky wrote: I would think, being completely drunk, that a 1.58 ghz machine would beat a P3 machine. I may have misstated the PIII speed, I could never quite figure it out? It's a Compaq Presario 1710 with a 1GHz CPU, and sometimes it seemed to report 1GHz speed, but the specifications of the model seemed to top-out at 700MHz, and sometimes it reported 700MHz as the speed. I don't know Windows stuff at all, and didn't care, it was a free laptop, which I've since donated away to another (un)lucky soul who only knows Windows. He's having all sorts of problems (virus, spyware, slow connection related) and I need to get him onto a Mac ASAP, but don't have any spare ones that can play video, a minimal requirement. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just wanna run lepord properly. I am on tiger You can run Leopard on your g4 if it has an 8xxmhz processor and a stick of 512 of ram. You will not have a happy experience with less than 1GB RAM, and the more the better. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G3-5 List group. To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
Since no one seems to have answered the original question, no, you cannot put a Core Duo processor into a G4, it simply won't fit. With a hammer and a chisel, it may go in, but it probably won't work. As others have stated, RAM and video card are two of the best upgrades you can do to a Mac, in that order. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Java Update/Software Update Glitch
Tried to use the software update but would not install so downloaded the package and it did install. Just my $.02 On Jun 16, 12:30 am, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Kris Tilford wrote: There's a new Java Update today, again, we're about a year and a half behind Windows/PC world. I've been using Leopard on my PPC G5 since the beginning, and every single time I use the Install and Keep Package option on Software Update, and so far it almost never saves the package. The one time it did save a package was the time I forgot the use the Install and Keep Package option, and in the midst of several packages that were already downloaded I tried to change to the Install and Keep Package option. One single package was saved, and it was saved in the Downloads folder rather than the LibraryPackages folder that was used in all previous versions of OS X. Has anyone using Leopard on a PPC Mac got the Install and Keep Package option of Software Update to work? Try doing download only. After it downloads you can save the files where you want to then tell it to install the files. A lot of updates show up as folders with a package file (and others) inside. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: installing Espon workforce600 on iMac
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:38:57 -0500 To: g3-5-list+h...@googlegroups.com From: Bill Walter brass...@pldi.net Subject: installing Espon workforce600 on iMac Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: I have followed Epson's instructions on installing print driver for an Epson Workforce 600 on a G4 iMac 15 display (800mz power PC) with OS 10.3.9. I am not able to print from most of my programs - Pagemake 6.5, 7 and Indesign, Photoshop Elements, and a MS word program. I uninstalled the printer driver, following Epson instructions (discovered later that part of the installaton instructions were only on the Epson website (do not have the printer connected to the computer while installing software) so un-installed and re-installed, and have no better results. I checked in the system folder for a list of installed printer drivers and found dozensx3 but no Workforce driver. It had to go somewhere, right? Anybody got any ideas of how to get the driver in the right place to be recognized and operate like it should? TIA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where Do I Find Reliable Info On Color Critical Monitor Choices?
On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:29 PM, aussieshepsrock wrote: Hi Adrian, good question re:Color Calibration's Usefulness To Me? It's easy to overlook the variable knowledge bases and interests of the list members in one's quest for assistance with a more narrow question. The purpose of my efforts at color matching is to: A: I want my 'pictures' to appear consistently the same when I open then, no matter how far apart they're opened over time :-) Monitors drift. Also, store you images in a cool, dry place, heat can cause color shifts :-P B: I want the images I send to a home printer to bear a close resemblence to what I see on my monitor before hitting print :-) This is where printer and paper (don't forget the paper!) profiles come in so useful. C: I want to take advantage of the 'profiles' available from a Photo Lab I use to primarily print my photographs. :-) I would get on some pro/semi-pro digital photographer boards and ask your questions there. I just got a book by Scott Kelby http://www.kelbytraining.com/books/ (The Photoshop CS4 for Digital Photographers book) which has a good section on calibrating and using profiles. I found the book easy to rad and understand; he's got a reputation as a good teacher. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
At 5:21 AM -0500 6/16/2009, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 16, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: How are the above mentioned builds different from the version that Firefox automatically updated my BW to? The generic builds, provided by the Mozilla team, are compiled for use on all powerpc processors. Except for a few instances, they use only the instructions available in common with all those processors. The optimized builds contain code and instructions optimized *specifically* for that one processor. They are always faster than the generic builds. On slower Macs, they are noticeably MUCH faster. tried many of the Optimized versions on Furbism's page, and some didn't function completely Furby's builds are bleeding edge nightly, alpha, and beta test, so they're often buggy. If you're really short on HD space they may save a few MB, but running Monolingual can extract the non-CPU specific code also, so there are two ways to skin this cat. Monolingual does NOT remove code. It strips out alternate language resources (translations). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
HP photosmart 7960
Would someone please tell me why when I start to print from my G4 PowerMac QuickSilve(2002) to my hp photosmart 7960 I have to unplug the USB and power supply to get it to work. I have reinstalled the printer app and down loaded and installed the latest version, no help. Trying to get help from HP is useless and senseless. Thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Dan wrote: If you're really short on HD space they may save a few MB, but running Monolingual can extract the non-CPU specific code also, so there are two ways to skin this cat. Monolingual does NOT remove code. It strips out alternate language resources (translations). Yes it does, from the readme: Q. Should I remove the non-Intel architectures on my Intel based Mac? A. You can use Monolingual to remove non-Intel architectures for your installed applications (even if some of the applications are PowerPC- only; Monolingual is smart enough not to remove PPC forks if those are the only ones in the universal binary). However, you should not strip the System frameworks if you want to use Rosetta. Rosetta needs the PowerPC code for all frameworks used by the emulated application and if it can't find it, you may see messages such as the following in the console: /System/Library/Frameworks/Cocoa.framework/Versions/A/Cocoa: mach-o, but wrong architecture -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM, nestamickynestami...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for reading. It's my G4 Titanium 400Mhz. It's crap on any video site, including Youtube. Trusty Pismo was not this horrible. Now, Dan, would rpm save me here? I'm using both the latest---non rpm--version of FF and Safari 3.x. Horrible video, and by that is meant; very jerky. Running 10.4 with 768 ram. Fully updated, except for the latest Safari. Ideas, suggestions? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
At 10:47 AM -0700 6/16/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Dan wrote: If you're really short on HD space they may save a few MB, but running Monolingual can extract the non-CPU specific code also, so there are two ways to skin this cat. Monolingual does NOT remove code. It strips out alternate language resources (translations). Yes it does, from the readme: Q. Should I remove the non-Intel architectures on my Intel based Mac? Ok. Semantics. Monolingual does NOT remove powerpc model-specific code (the subject of this thread). It's all or nothing, to strip Universal builds. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Java Update/Software Update Glitch
At 6:09 AM -0700 6/16/2009, norm46 wrote: Tried to use the software update but would not install so downloaded the package and it did install. Just my $.02 Just went to update our powerbook. The download failed outright, the first attempt. Then it got about 60 MB (of 87) -- and proceeded with the installation until it crashed. Then I downloaded and ran it manually. What is with Apple? Why can't they get something so simple as this update gizmo to work correctly? This isn't rocket science. There are *easy* ways to check to see that a download is complete before proceeding! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Java Update/Software Update Glitch
On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Dan wrote: What is with Apple? Why can't they get something so simple as this update gizmo to work correctly? This isn't rocket science. There are *easy* ways to check to see that a download is complete before proceeding! yes there are, and I suspect this sort of issue is one of Apple's goals in building that ginormous data center they're building in S. Carolina. Between Itunes and App stores and all the updates, I expect they're pushing their servers pretty hard. More work == more errors. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
At 5:52 AM -0500 6/16/2009, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 10:52 PM, nestamicky wrote: I would think, being completely drunk, that a 1.58 ghz machine would beat a P3 machine. Adobe put a lot of work into making Flash look great under Windoze. I think they've barely given it a thought on the Mac... FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 16, 2:41 am, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone has the opportunity to write to him directly to find out. You needn't ask permission. I did, and he answered me. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
At 9:24 PM -0600 6/15/2009, nestamicky wrote: G4 Titanium 400Mhz Running 10.4 with 768 ram. Fully updated, except for the latest Safari. It's crap on any video site, including Youtube. Flash sucks, and it has gotten worse this past year. Ditto for the more advanced codecs in QuickTime. Now, Dan, would rpm save me here? Doubtful. Browser speed is moot here. This is all about the plug-in's speed - Flash or QuickTime. I think most stuff on YouTube is Flash but it's moving to H.264? From the hardware point of view, this is about sheer number crunching speed. These plug-ins use very little memory or disk i/o. They just need more power with which to rebuild the compressed data frames. Some of this crunching can be off-loaded into the graphics processor (GPU) on the video card. That's what technologies like Quartz Extreme are ultimately all about. If your machine supports it, make sure it's enabled. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Java Update/Software Update Glitch
At 11:26 AM -0700 6/16/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Dan wrote: What is with Apple? Why can't they get something so simple as this update gizmo to work correctly? This isn't rocket science. There are *easy* ways to check to see that a download is complete before proceeding! yes there are, and I suspect this sort of issue is one of Apple's goals in building that ginormous data center they're building in S. Carolina. Between Itunes and App stores and all the updates, I expect they're pushing their servers pretty hard. More work == more errors. I read about that. The state worked hard to get 'em there. But still... Network and server errors will always happen. The Software Update client can and should recognize the failure and take proper action --- not attempt the install anyway, with corrupted data, then crash... Critical OS components should NOT be this fragile. Period. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
Dan H.264 I believe is the codec that Youtube uses for storing the files on the server, not what plug in it's using to play the files on the web browser. Stephen Weber On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:24 PM -0600 6/15/2009, nestamicky wrote: G4 Titanium 400Mhz Running 10.4 with 768 ram. Fully updated, except for the latest Safari. It's crap on any video site, including Youtube. Flash sucks, and it has gotten worse this past year. Ditto for the more advanced codecs in QuickTime. Now, Dan, would rpm save me here? Doubtful. Browser speed is moot here. This is all about the plug-in's speed - Flash or QuickTime. I think most stuff on YouTube is Flash but it's moving to H.264? From the hardware point of view, this is about sheer number crunching speed. These plug-ins use very little memory or disk i/o. They just need more power with which to rebuild the compressed data frames. Some of this crunching can be off-loaded into the graphics processor (GPU) on the video card. That's what technologies like Quartz Extreme are ultimately all about. If your machine supports it, make sure it's enabled. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Al Poulinalfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: I did, and he answered me. ... What'd he say? -- Best Regards, John Musbach --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 16, 2009, at 2:59 PM, John Musbach wrote: ... What'd he say? The official word from Dan Knight, the list owner is: We've decided to end our policy of asking that list members not top post their replies. That's the default behavior of most email clients, and just reminding people of our recommendation to bottom post or interleave your replies has become more trouble than its worth. From this point forward, top posting is no longer an issue. So there is no official requirements for posting. Len Gerstel G3-5 List Nanny End of my comment as a List Nanny. Now as Len, a regular member of the G3-5 List: If you noticed, some of the most vocal supporters of bottom posting and trimming camp are the most prolific and helpful posters on the list. Wouldn't you want to suck up to them to get their help? Wouldn't you want to make it (what they see as) the easiest way for them to read the posts and help you? Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 16, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 16, 2009, at 2:59 PM, John Musbach wrote: ... What'd he say? The official word from Dan Knight, the list owner is: We've decided to end our policy of asking that list members not top post their replies. That's the default behavior of most email clients, and just reminding people of our recommendation to bottom post or interleave your replies has become more trouble than its worth. From this point forward, top posting is no longer an issue. So there is no official requirements for posting. Len Gerstel G3-5 List Nanny End of my comment as a List Nanny. Now as Len, a regular member of the G3-5 List: If you noticed, some of the most vocal supporters of bottom posting and trimming camp are the most prolific and helpful posters on the list. Wouldn't you want to suck up to them to get their help? Wouldn't you want to make it (what they see as) the easiest way for them to read the posts and help you? Len You shouldn't suckup to anybody. Peter M --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
On Jun 16, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Dan wrote: Monolingual does NOT remove powerpc model-specific code (the subject of this thread). Monolingual DOES remove PPC model-specific code. There is a check box for each CPU: PPC, G3, G4, G4 and Intel. I just removed EVERYTHING except G3 from my 500MHz iceBook. It saved another half GB, and seems to be working so far. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, nestamickynestami...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen Weber wrote: I have a G3 600mhz iMac and runs bad on yourtube too. You need a computer with a processor better than a G3 or a early G4. It's because flash is a CPU hog. Well that's fine, but my Pismo 400 runs Youtube well, way, better than the Ti G4. ___ Sharing the configuration details would be a constructive way to help the original poster. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
I replaced my 400 Mhz processor on my G4 Sawtooth with a 1.5 Ghz Mercury CPU with 3 MB Level 3 cache, and it has made a great deal of difference. Even with the standard ATI Rage 128 16 MB AGP video card. I also increased the RAM from 896 MB to 2 GB. I would like to get a PCI card based wireless card working and replaced the Airport Card in it so I could run the wireless connection at 802.11(n) when I get my new Airport Express or Extreme base station. I did find that when I got my MacBook White Core 2 Duo 2 Ghz with 2 GB RAM (I've since upgraded it to 4 GB RAM) and the Nvidia GeForce 9400M video processor that downloads are far faster than on my iBook G3 800 Mhz with 640 MB RAM and 32 MB video card, so my suspicion that my slow downloads speed were due to my Apple Express base station running at 802.11(b) in my Internet connection was incorrect. The download is blazingingly fast on the MacBook and will even improve once I get a new Airport Express or Extreme base station. --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan dantear...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 2:34 PM At 9:24 PM -0600 6/15/2009, nestamicky wrote: G4 Titanium 400Mhz Running 10.4 with 768 ram. Fully updated, except for the latest Safari. It's crap on any video site, including Youtube. Flash sucks, and it has gotten worse this past year. Ditto for the more advanced codecs in QuickTime. Now, Dan, would rpm save me here? Doubtful. Browser speed is moot here. This is all about the plug-in's speed - Flash or QuickTime. I think most stuff on YouTube is Flash but it's moving to H.264? From the hardware point of view, this is about sheer number crunching speed. These plug-ins use very little memory or disk i/o. They just need more power with which to rebuild the compressed data frames. Some of this crunching can be off-loaded into the graphics processor (GPU) on the video card. That's what technologies like Quartz Extreme are ultimately all about. If your machine supports it, make sure it's enabled. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Peterpeter1...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 16, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 16, 2009, at 2:59 PM, John Musbach wrote: ... What'd he say? The official word from Dan Knight, the list owner is: We've decided to end our policy of asking that list members not top post their replies. That's the default behavior of most email clients, and just reminding people of our recommendation to bottom post or interleave your replies has become more trouble than its worth. From this point forward, top posting is no longer an issue. So there is no official requirements for posting. Len Gerstel G3-5 List Nanny End of my comment as a List Nanny. Now as Len, a regular member of the G3-5 List: If you noticed, some of the most vocal supporters of bottom posting and trimming camp are the most prolific and helpful posters on the list. Wouldn't you want to suck up to them to get their help? Wouldn't you want to make it (what they see as) the easiest way for them to read the posts and help you? Len You shouldn't suckup to anybody. __ Is it a matter of sucking up? Really? Do you think people are on this list to just generate the meager petty personal aggrandizement possible for one to glean here? Jeez! Or , is it possible that in seeking help you might want your case presented in a sequential, easy to follow format that bring little impairment to communication? The less time it takes to parse a plea or even a help response the sooner the Mac will be happily running. Did you ever think of that? These lists have always been about keeping Macs running. Yes some have tried to impose their agendas. Rather unsuccessfully so. But i know of no other list that will help you get a machine of any kind operating any where near as soon as this one will help you with your Mac. And if you doubt that, experiment with other lists. If you find one tell me about it. I am always interested in good help. Adrian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
Am I able to download the opitmized build if I have a 867 dual G4 PowerPC? I don't know what the 7400 or 7450 is referring to. On Jun 15, 2:04 pm, joan jn...@q.com wrote: a link or just what is RPMs page? On Jun 15, 1:32 pm, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Dan wrote: Optimized builds of Camino, SeaMonkey, and Thunderbird are also available on RPM's page. Do you have a link, Dan? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
sl-o-o-o-w browser
Does anyone have any suggestions for what might be causing my browser to operate extremely slowly? I have checked with Qwest and done speed test showing that I am receiving 3mb at my Modem. My Ping test shows no packet loss but 96 ms rather than below 50. I have installed the optimized version for a G4 of SeaMonkey. This has changed in the last week and I have no idea why. Qwest sent us a new modem. I don't know what else to do and its driving me CRAZY!!! thanks, joan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 16, 2:59 pm, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Al Poulinalfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: I did, and he answered me. ... What'd he say? Below is what Dan said. And his Rules of List Management page carries today's date. Al Poulin *** QUOTE: On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Dan Knight wrote: As I posted to every list on Feb. 15, 2008: After discussion with the other list managers, we've decided to end our policy of asking that list members not top post their replies. That's the default behavior of most email clients, and just reminding people of our recommendation to bottom post or interleave your replies has become more trouble than its worth. From this point forward, top posting is no longer an issue. There is no longer anything in the list FAQs or on the netiquette page about top vs. bottom posting. I am updating the Rules of List Management page to remove mention of it as well. Dan On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: UNQUOTE --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
On Jun 16, 2009, at 3:56 PM, joan wrote: Am I able to download the opitmized build if I have a 867 dual G4 PowerPC? I don't know what the 7400 or 7450 is referring to. It's two different types of G4 CPU. The early G4 were 7400, later were 7450. Your 867 dual is 7450. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 16, 4:39 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Or , is it possible that in seeking help you might want your case presented in a sequential, easy to follow format that bring little impairment to communication? The less time it takes to parse a plea or even a help response the sooner the Mac will be happily running. Did you ever think of that? These lists have always been about keeping Macs running. Yes some have tried to impose their agendas. Rather unsuccessfully so. But i know of no other list that will help you get a machine of any kind operating any where near as soon as this one will help you with your Mac. And if you doubt that, experiment with other lists. If you find one tell me about it. I am always interested in good help. I subscribed to a few of the lists at themacintoshguy.com back during the time that Dan Knight used their server. I gave them up as their effectiveness dwindled, at least for me, and their email system seemed to become less reliable. In fact, I advised one of the members of their G4 list to enrole here. She did, and I am absolutely certain, without her telling me, that she is very happy with all the help she has received in the past year or so. We can quibble about some of the peculiarities of Google Groups, but Dan Knight made an excellent move by moving over. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
Please take me off this list. you are filling up my email. Esther B. Blodgett JEM Accounting Services www.estherblodgett.com i...@estherblodgett.com 508-625-2217 From: Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:23:01 PM Subject: Re: A polite netiquette back and forth On Jun 16, 2:59 pm, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Al Poulinalfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: I did, and he answered me. ... What'd he say? Below is what Dan said. And his Rules of List Management page carries today's date. Al Poulin *** QUOTE: On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Dan Knight wrote: As I posted to every list on Feb. 15, 2008: After discussion with the other list managers, we've decided to end our policy of asking that list members not top post their replies.. That's the default behavior of most email clients, and just reminding people of our recommendation to bottom post or interleave your replies has become more trouble than its worth. From this point forward, top posting is no longer an issue. There is no longer anything in the list FAQs or on the netiquette page about top vs. bottom posting. I am updating the Rules of List Management page to remove mention of it as well. Dan On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail..com wrote: UNQUOTE --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Removing Classic and freeing up space on friends G4
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Bruce Johnsonjohn...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: To free up space, what is the best way to remove Classic and all the classic applications. Dump the classic system folder, the apps and the like, but don't expect a vast amount of space. How do I dump the classic system folder. I tried to trash the folder and received a warning to the effect that it was a file necessary for the system. I apologize for not having the exact error message but I do not have access to the computer again until next week. Also, to save space I am considering removing all foreign language support. I believe the recommended software is Monolingual to accomplish this. Are there any languages other than English (US version) that should be maintained? None, unless she uses any of them. This will gain you a couple of gigabytes. Between languages and the architecures that I removed (ARM, G5's and Intels) we only gained about 260M. But we are now up to 5.4 gb free on a 55 gb drive (it was down to 1.12 gb free when I started. Thank you for your help - Marty --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Note from another list nanny] Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 16, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Esther Blodgett wrote: Please take me off this list. you are filling up my email. On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Dan Knight wrote: As I posted to every list on Feb. 15, 2008: After discussion with the other list managers, we've decided to end our policy of asking that list members not top post their replies. That's the default behavior of most email clients, and just reminding people of our recommendation to bottom post or interleave your replies has become more trouble than its worth. From this point forward, top posting is no longer an issue. There is no longer anything in the list FAQs or on the netiquette page about top vs. bottom posting. I am updating the Rules of List Management page to remove mention of it as well. As a brand-new subscriber (since June 15), Esther was under moderation. I approved her above message for posting in order to show what we may be doing to the majority of our list members. Esther happened to be our 1600th member, but she wants out after one day on the list. As quoted above, once again, the List Owner declared sixteen months ago that top post vs bottom post was no longer an issue for any LEM List, and Nannies were not to hassle members any more. So why are we posting about one hundred messages in this and another thread over the non-issue? What are we doing to the other 1,590 or so members, who subscribed to discuss G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs? All of us have always been free to respond or not to others' messages, free to archive or delete others' messages, free to like or dislike other members, free to suck up or not to the few hotshots, and free to hate or love list nannies. Can we get back to discussions about G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs? Hopefully we will soon gain another 1600th member, who will like the list enough to stay for a while. Fabian Fang G3-5 List Nanny --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Note from another list nanny] Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Fabian Fangf...@mac.com wrote: All of us have always been free to respond or not to others' messages, free to archive or delete others' messages, free to like or dislike other members, free to suck up or not to the few hotshots, and free to hate or love list nannies. Can we get back to discussions about G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs? Hopefully we will soon gain another 1600th member, who will like the list enough to stay for a while. __ Who started this discussion thread anyway? Oh, right, a list Nannie started it. Now i recall . . . . --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Note from another list nanny] Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
At 4:08 PM -0700 6/16/2009, Fabian Fang wrote: As quoted above, once again, the List Owner declared sixteen months ago that top post vs bottom post was no longer an issue for any LEM List, and Nannies were not to hassle members any more. So why are we posting about one hundred messages in this and another thread over the non-issue? Perhaps it just isn't a non-issue for so many of us. Perhaps the sixteen months of anti-policy anarchy have increased the noise ratio of the postings to the point that many of us are getting awfully frustrated. Perhaps it has become such a big non-issue that it needs to be properly addressed and fixed. I mean, if it didn't need fixing would it have generated so many postings feelings? All of us have always been free to respond or not to others' messages, As we shall continue to be. But is the s:n trend in the direction you'all want? Can we get back to discussions about G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs? Seems to me we are. There have been quite a few other threads today, here and on the other LEM lists. Is there a problem with having such threads AND a hot button issue on the same list? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sl-o-o-o-w browser
At 3:09 PM -0600 6/16/2009, Joan Duncan wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions for what might be causing my browser to operate extremely slowly? Please provide some details about your system. I have checked with Qwest and done speed test showing that I am receiving 3mb at my Modem. My Ping test shows no packet loss but 96 ms rather than below 50. [and from later] Qwest sent us a new modem. So you could be having a network problem. What specific reason did Qwest give you for sending the new modem? Please show me the results of this command, issued in Terminal: traceroute phl.speakeasy.net I have installed the optimized version for a G4 of SeaMonkey. This has changed in the last week and I have no idea why. Have you tried clearing your caches etc? Have you tried using a different browser? ...Been using the current SeaMonkey for a few hours now. I find it to be relatively slow from the get-go (compared to the current Safari or Firefox). But that's mostly because it's an all-in-one try-to-be-everything type app, using an older Gecko build (so it only gets 52/100 on the Acid3 test, instead of 71/100 of the current build). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sl-o-o-o-w browser
On Jun 16, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Dan wrote: At 3:09 PM -0600 6/16/2009, Joan Duncan wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions for what might be causing my browser to operate extremely slowly? Please provide some details about your system. I have checked with Qwest and done speed test showing that I am receiving 3mb at my Modem. My Ping test shows no packet loss but 96 ms rather than below 50. [and from later] Qwest sent us a new modem. So you could be having a network problem. What specific reason did Qwest give you for sending the new modem? Please show me the results of this command, issued in Terminal: traceroute phl.speakeasy.net I was going to suggest trying a different port in your router, but they sent you a new modem ... with router combination? Maybe try another port if your router is separate from the new modem ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
On Jun 15, 4:55 pm, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:06 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just wanna run lepord properly. I am on tiger You cannot put an Intel processor in your G4, for a lot of reasons. Here are Apple's system requirements for Leopard, OS X 10.5: I could'nt interchange the CPU, but I can replace the LoBo, CPU, RAM,and Powersupply together. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
At 2:40 PM -0500 6/16/2009, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 16, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Dan wrote: Monolingual does NOT remove powerpc model-specific code (the subject of this thread). Monolingual DOES remove PPC model-specific code. There is a check box for each CPU: PPC, G3, G4, G4 and Intel. Ok. I sit corrected. :) Last time I looked at Monolingual, it just stripped language resources. Lookin at it now... heh. +/- breaking signed and checksum'd apps (yes, I see the exception list), I can see where this would be good for saving some disk space. But it has nothing to do with compilation optimizations. This is the equivalent of throwing out the spare tire and the rest of the stuff in your trunk, just to save .1 mpg -- the original engine tuning is not touched. Compilation optimizing is the equivalent of installing a higher-performance carburetor and fine tuning it, etc, in order to jack up the gas mileage significantly. Note that once you've hit the system and apps with this tool, they are forever damaged. Diff type updaters (albeit rare) will see their targets as damaged. A clone of your system can never be used on system with a different processor (big down-side, IMO). And, as time goes on, when you apply updates, you'll have to keep using Monolingual so as to keep that .1 mpg. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
On Jun 16, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mullin9 wrote: I could'nt interchange the CPU, but I can replace the LoBo, CPU, RAM,and Powersupply together. Well, yes, I suppose you could transplant an entirely new computer into the case, but that really falls into the category of case modding, rather than upgrades :-) -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mozilla apps - Optimized for G3/G4
On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Dan wrote: There is a check box for each CPU: PPC, G3, G4, G4 and Intel. Ok. I sit corrected. :) You could have, and have, correct me many times :) I meant: PPC, G3, G4, G5, and Intel, not two G4's. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 Triple boot question
I recently got a G4 Dual 1.42, with Tiger on the 80g drive.I'd like to install Yellow Dog Linux, and possibly Leopard on a 2nd 80g drive, so I'd be setting up 2 or possibly 3 partitions on this 2nd drive. Any thoughts on which OS to install first, and which should be in the first partition on the extra drive? At some point in the future, I might decide to replace YDL with another distro, and it's also possible that I might dump Leopard later if I decide I don't need it. I noticed that YDL suggests that it be on the master drive, with Tiger on the slave, so the boot loader will run correctly. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The powerpc now and in the future....
On Jun 12, 9:53 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: PCI slot based accelerators have a bottleneck built right in. Hardly worth the effort IMO. mmm but g5 has pci-X, right, and that does not have bottleneck ? anyway this should be some thing more like another computer with shared i/o, more than just a co-processor. ... probably a good amount of its own RAM. BTW I think someone once pulled ethernet/ modem card from a 3400 and put in a 486 logic board tha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com wrote: On Jun 15, 4:55 pm, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:06 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just wanna run lepord properly. I am on tiger You cannot put an Intel processor in your G4, for a lot of reasons. Here are Apple's system requirements for Leopard, OS X 10.5: I could'nt interchange the CPU, but I can replace the LoBo, CPU, RAM,and Powersupply together. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ That would place it in the category of Franken Mac. especially since I take your drift to mean an entirely PC system in a Mac case. I do not believe Apple would consider that in keeping with the EULA. But then good try. Send pics. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Horrible, horrible, horrible video
On 6/16/09 1:28 AM, Po-en Tsai at poen.t...@gmail.com wrote: Or, like me, I would switch onto my Panther 10.3 partition, running Firefox 2.04 to watch anything Flash based. It seems to work for me, and Youtube works fine like that. Upgrading ram may help, with my iMac, I had 512mb ram, but upgraded to 768mb, which sped flash up a bit. Well, when I run primairly Mac OS 9 here with Mozilla 1.2.1 and Flash 7, YouTibe videos also ran very badly, too. I am a Beige G3 owner. -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
