Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
This is strange. The onboard should have 2MB soldered on, and the optional chip is another 4MB, giving a total of 6MB. The fact that yours is reporting 4MB seems strange, but perhaps this is because you're not using the onboard video at all? AFAIK it should report 6MB. I suppose there's a slim chance there was some type of 2MB module, or perhaps your 4MB module isn't seated well and only 2MB are being recognized? I just finished reseating the module (there appears to be only one slot, with what appears to be two VRAM chips soldered onto the motherboard underneath), plugged the monitor back into the built-in video port, started it back up and it's still only reporting 4MB VRAM. Strange. I'm going to look into this. Thus, could I add a DVD decoder card to the Rage 128 while it's in my Beige G3 for hardware-decoded DVD playback? Out of sheer curiosity, though, has anyone on the list ever attempted this? I've got a Rage 128 with the decoder card installed. It works if that's what you're asking? That's what I was asking. I've heard reports that the decoder card might not work correctly when the Rage 128 is installed in the beige's 33mhz slots (instead of the BW's 66mhz slot), but if it's working fine for you, I guess that's all the testimony I need. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:16 AM, James Chapel wrote: That's what I was asking. I've heard reports that the decoder card might not work correctly when the Rage 128 is installed in the beige's 33mhz slots (instead of the BW's 66mhz slot), but if it's working fine for you, I guess that's all the testimony I need. Wait, I'm going to check to make sure and I'll get back to you, I may have been using a Radeon rather than the Rage card? Also, I don't think the decoder module is supported in OS X at all, so that's a big minus compared to the Radeon. I'd recommend a Radeon, the 7000's can be ultra cheap if you flash a PC card, I'd guess $10 for a stock PC card unflashed perhaps? Even the real Mac 7000's are reasonable. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
I'm just using this as my project OS 9 box. There are too many problems with the beige's hardware in X to make the jump worth it (no internal floppy support, no wings personality card support, slow bus speed), not to mention the fact that I have stockpiles upon stockpiles of classic mac OS hardware, games and applications to run on the thing. I also have newer computers to handle the heavy-duty stuff. Thanks for offering to test that, though. I look forward to hearing the results. On Jun 14, 11:36 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:16 AM, James Chapel wrote: That's what I was asking. I've heard reports that the decoder card might not work correctly when the Rage 128 is installed in the beige's 33mhz slots (instead of the BW's 66mhz slot), but if it's working fine for you, I guess that's all the testimony I need. Wait, I'm going to check to make sure and I'll get back to you, I may have been using a Radeon rather than the Rage card? Also, I don't think the decoder module is supported in OS X at all, so that's a big minus compared to the Radeon. I'd recommend a Radeon, the 7000's can be ultra cheap if you flash a PC card, I'd guess $10 for a stock PC card unflashed perhaps? Even the real Mac 7000's are reasonable. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
SATA PCI card for dual 800 quicksilver
CompUSA lists a Masscool XWT-RC061 3 Port SATA PCI Card - 2 internal SATA, External SATA, 1.5Gbps Support for $20 ---it says The board provides a 32bit, 33/66 MHz PCI interface on the host side, fully compliant Serial ATA ports on the device side to access Serial ATA mobile storage devices and standard media such as Hard Disk drive, floppy disk drive, CD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-ROM, etc... 3 Serial ATA port (two internal and one external), Has anyone had any luck with using this or any other generic cards on a quicksilver running Tiger -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA PCI card for dual 800 quicksilver
On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:53 AM, mlsimm...@aol.com wrote: CompUSA lists a Masscool XWT-RC061 3 Port SATA PCI Card - 2 internal SATA, External SATA, 1.5Gbps Support for $20 ---it says The board provides a 32bit, 33/66 MHz PCI interface on the host side, fully compliant Serial ATA ports on the device side to access Serial ATA mobile storage devices and standard media such as Hard Disk drive, floppy disk drive, CD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-ROM, etc... 3 Serial ATA port (two internal and one external), Has anyone had any luck with using this or any other generic cards on a quicksilver running Tiger This card appears to have significant problems in Windows, so it's very unlikely it will perform well in OS X. It appears to use a VIA chipset. The biggest problem I foresee on a Quicksilver is that the card won't be bootable, you need a card with Mac boot ROM, so most PC cards that work under OS X are strictly for storage only, they can't boot under normal conditions. This card seems to be a RAID card, meaning that individual HDs aren't useable as separate drives. I don't think this is a good solution for a PPC Mac. The only cards that I'm aware of that have the PPC Mac boot ROM are the Firmtek cards and perhaps the Acard? There are cards like that Sonnet that are rebranded Firmtek cards, there may be others, but be sure you can boot IF you need to boot. If you don't need to boot, Silicon Image cards have Mac support and are very reasonably priced, but they won't boot on a PPC Mac. I'm not sure, there may be a way to set a boot flag in Open Firmware to specify a non-bootable PCI card as the boot device, but this is something I've never done, but I am aware that it's within the realm of possibility. This would enable non-bootable cards such as the Silicon Image if possible. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Apple Store closed for update
Looks like new toys coming... Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Store closed for update
On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Ted Treen wrote: Looks like new toys coming... Yes, and 10.6.4 has been ready for a couple weeks, so it will likely coincide with the new toys' arrival? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Store closed for update
On Jun 15, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Of course, I just got a new mini delivered yesterday. In the future you can check with MacTactic or similar Mac buyer timing guides: http://mactactic.com/ All Mac products have been pretty stale for a much longer than normal time period. Note: they go by delivery date, not announcement date, so the new iPhone isn't listed because it hasn't been delivered. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Store closed for update
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: Looks like new toys coming... 2.4 GHz Mini with HDMI. And user friendly RAM slot. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Store closed for update
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: Looks like new toys coming... A Quick Google search got this site http://www.*apple*.com/hot*new*s/ -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Store closed for update
On Jun 15, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: Looks like new toys coming... 2.4 GHz Mini with HDMI. And user friendly RAM slot. Plus a little better graphics, NVidia 320m. But also a $100 price bump. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Store closed for update
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 June, 2010 11:56:34 Subject: Re: Apple Store closed for update On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: Looks like new toys coming... 2.4 GHz Mini with HDMI. And user friendly RAM slot. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer Yup, seen the details already. Just wondered if the Store update was indicative of revamped Mac Pro systems, maybe 10.6.4 or one or two other goodies, as well... Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Store closed for update
Mac Pro with NVidia GTX400 series? Illirik Smirnov On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: -- *From:* Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com *To:* g3-5-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 June, 2010 11:56:34 *Subject:* Re: Apple Store closed for update On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.comwrote: Looks like new toys coming... 2.4 GHz Mini with HDMI. And user friendly RAM slot. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer Yup, seen the details already. Just wondered if the Store update was indicative of revamped Mac Pro systems, maybe 10.6.4 or one or two other goodies, as well... Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: stream movies? no-can-do!
How about using an earlier, less resource-intensive verison of OSX? Mebbe 10.3 will be faster than 10.5. Illirik Smirnov On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm not clear on what you mean by stream movies? Kris, by streaming I mean watching a movie via wi-fi connection from my G5 in the other room via 802.11.n 5ghz. Is streaming the wrong word? and thanks for the great comeback! Jeff If it is hard getting it to work smoothly via wifi the old sneakernet via thumbdrive would be effective. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA PCI card for dual 800 quicksilver
That is *NOT* going to work. Illirik Smirnov On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:53 AM, mlsimm...@aol.com wrote: CompUSA lists a Masscool XWT-RC061 3 Port SATA PCI Card - 2 internal SATA, External SATA, 1.5Gbps Support for $20 ---it says The board provides a 32bit, 33/66 MHz PCI interface on the host side, fully compliant Serial ATA ports on the device side to access Serial ATA mobile storage devices and standard media such as Hard Disk drive, floppy disk drive, CD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-ROM, etc... 3 Serial ATA port (two internal and one external), Has anyone had any luck with using this or any other generic cards on a quicksilver running Tiger This card appears to have significant problems in Windows, so it's very unlikely it will perform well in OS X. It appears to use a VIA chipset. The biggest problem I foresee on a Quicksilver is that the card won't be bootable, you need a card with Mac boot ROM, so most PC cards that work under OS X are strictly for storage only, they can't boot under normal conditions. This card seems to be a RAID card, meaning that individual HDs aren't useable as separate drives. I don't think this is a good solution for a PPC Mac. The only cards that I'm aware of that have the PPC Mac boot ROM are the Firmtek cards and perhaps the Acard? There are cards like that Sonnet that are rebranded Firmtek cards, there may be others, but be sure you can boot IF you need to boot. If you don't need to boot, Silicon Image cards have Mac support and are very reasonably priced, but they won't boot on a PPC Mac. I'm not sure, there may be a way to set a boot flag in Open Firmware to specify a non-bootable PCI card as the boot device, but this is something I've never done, but I am aware that it's within the realm of possibility. This would enable non-bootable cards such as the Silicon Image if possible. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
At 7:39 AM -0400 6/15/2010, Len Gerstel wrote: 2.4 GHz Mini with HDMI. And user friendly RAM slot. Plus a little better graphics, NVidia 320m. But also a $100 price bump. I'm disappointed. IMO, this seems to be yet-another overpriced Mini that goes into the why bother category. It should be a fast machine, but then it's got older i/o technology, circa 2005ish, bolted on. Only one Firewire port. The 4 USB ports are probably again all the same bus. No eSATA. No USB 3. No Blu-ray. Can't tell - is there a wi-fi antenna port? If not, how does the signal escape that pretty all metal enclosure? And, on the server version, no dual ether or even 10 Gb ether. They moved the power supply inside,,, so now there will be heat issues in enclosed spaces. Why couldn't they have used all that extra space to provide better quality i/o? You know, the things that PCs have had available for a few years now! Then there's the SD slot -- ON THE BACK of the machine. So you have to pick up your computer, and turn it around - with cables attached - to plug in your camera card?? WTF! DItto for the four USB ports. IF they had all that space available,,, why couldn't they put the SD, FW and a USB port on the front - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
Dan wrote: I'm disappointed. IMO, this seems to be yet-another overpriced Mini that goes into the why bother category. It should be a fast machine, but then it's got older i/o technology, circa 2005ish, bolted on. Only one Firewire port. The 4 USB ports are probably again all the same bus. No eSATA. No USB 3. You can't use I/O as an argument against the Mini when the iMacs have _less._ No Blu-ray. Adding Blu-ray to the mini would be pointless, as there is no playback software available for OS X. Can't tell - is there a wi-fi antenna port? If not, how does the signal escape that pretty all metal enclosure? Maybe through the Apple logo on top? And, on the server version, no dual ether or even 10 Gb ether. If one needed dual ethernet, they could buy an Xserve. I don't think Apple intended for the sever mini to be an Xserve replacement. And huh? 10Gb ethernet? The Xserves only have gigabit! They moved the power supply inside,,, so now there will be heat issues in enclosed spaces. I highly doubt Apple would've moved it inside if it caused heat issues. Why couldn't they have used all that extra space to provide better quality i/o? You know, the things that PCs have had available for a few years now! Then there's the SD slot -- ON THE BACK of the machine. So you have to pick up your computer, and turn it around - with cables attached - to plug in your camera card?? WTF! DItto for the four USB ports. IF they had all that space available,,, why couldn't they put the SD, FW and a USB port on the front That is stupid. I hated fumbling around on the back of my mini to plug in flash drives and other USB devices. - Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Dan wrote: At 7:39 AM -0400 6/15/2010, Len Gerstel wrote: 2.4 GHz Mini with HDMI. And user friendly RAM slot. Plus a little better graphics, NVidia 320m. But also a $100 price bump. I'm disappointed. IMO, this seems to be yet-another overpriced Mini that goes into the why bother category. It should be a fast machine, but then it's got older i/o technology, circa 2005ish, bolted on. Only one Firewire port. The 4 USB ports are probably again all the same bus. No eSATA. No USB 3. No Blu-ray. Will Apple ever support eSATA? The last Intel machine I have that I can connect eSATA is a MBP 2008 with Express 34 slot other wise I have the MDD and PM G5 and Ti Books So my music and movie library transfers are done via eSATA. If I bend over for a new Unibody machine I feel like I'm going backwards. What's the deal on USB 3.0? will that be as fast as eSATA and FW? What may the SD port do other than a camera card, it seems a waste of port space when a two dollar USB SD adaptor will do it. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Store closed for update
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: In the future you can check with MacTactic or similar Mac buyer timing guides: http://mactactic.com/ It looks to me as though mactactic.com is itself in dire need of an update. It lists the MacBooks as all not having been updated since 2008. Excuse me? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
I need to install 10.4 on a G3 Lime iMac. However, I have a few problems to overcome. 1. I live in Portland, OR, and the iMac is in Las Vegas, where I will be visiting. 2. The iMac does not have a DVD drive. The Tiger install disc (disk) that I own is DVD. 3. I do NOT have access to an external CD drive to take with me. 4. I can't seem to find a Tiger install CD. Does anyone out there have a Tiger install CD? Can anyone make one for me? Jane -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:01 AM, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: I need to install 10.4 on a G3 Lime iMac. However, I have a few problems to overcome. 1. I live in Portland, OR, and the iMac is in Las Vegas, where I will be visiting. 2. The iMac does not have a DVD drive. The Tiger install disc (disk) that I own is DVD. 3. I do NOT have access to an external CD drive to take with me. 4. I can't seem to find a Tiger install CD. Does anyone out there have a Tiger install CD? Can anyone make one for me? Make an image of you DVD and use Disck Utiliy to restore the image on a USB stick it will boot the G3 and install from it. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
At 8:43 AM -0700 6/15/2010, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: Will Apple ever support eSATA? sigh. I doubt it. I think we'll see all the ports vanish, when Light Peak comes out. Then we'll be stuck buying expensive adapters. Regretfully, at the rate Apple has been adopting interfaces, the PC world will have LP for a few years, then maybe we'll get it. What's the deal on USB 3.0? will that be as fast as eSATA and FW? Raw USB 3 is 4 Gbps, with a 5 Gbps burst superspeed mode. It was standardized in 2008. Chip sets have been available for a while now - the first peripherals hit the market *six months ago*. I'm not a big fan of USB but at this point, since FW has stalled... sigh. What may the SD port do other than a camera card, it seems a waste of port space when a two dollar USB SD adaptor will do it. Exactly. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: Will Apple ever support eSATA? I tend to doubt it. My total wild-ass speculating guess is that this might be a Steve Jobs sort of thing. eSATA does not supply power to the external device and perhaps the Steve has deemed this to be as inappropriate as a two button mouse? Maybe they'll add support for eSATA with power (e-SATAP ?) at some future date? On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: What's the deal on USB 3.0? I don't know what the deal is with USB 3.0. I would have expected it to be integrated into the motherboard chipsets by now. But it was pointed out to me in another thread that Intel is currently talking as though there is no need to incorporate USB 3.0 until sometime towards the end of 2011 or perhaps even 2012? PC motherboards currently support USB 3.0 by incorporating a non-Intel chip. The only response Intel appears to have to that is to announce plans to sell their own discrete USB 3.0 support chip. I think Intel has its corporate bureaucratic head up its butt. Apparently the planners expect they can do the transition to USB 3.0 the same way that the move to USB 2.0 was done i.e. pretty much on their terms. However, no one seems to have checked with the Chinese manufacturers. They don't seem to care one bit about Intel's plans and are tossing USB 3.0 devices at the market with what appears to be an increasing pace. The market may well move fast enough on its own to leave Intel behind (at least for a bit). What truly surprises me is that AMD has not tried to exploit this by integrating USB 3.0 into one of their chipsets. Oh, well. My Macish point here is that I don't see Apple adding USB 3.0 support until Intel integrates it. Maybe they'll go the separate chip support route if the market builds enough. And/or if there are enough competing USB 3.0 chips out there for Apple to pit one against the other and get them at close to cost. USB 3.0 on a Mac would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation. -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
At 4:01 PM + 6/15/2010, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: I need to install 10.4 on a G3 Lime iMac. However, I have a few problems to overcome. 1. I live in Portland, OR, and the iMac is in Las Vegas, where I will be visiting. 2. The iMac does not have a DVD drive. The Tiger install disc (disk) that I own is DVD. 3. I do NOT have access to an external CD drive to take with me. 4. I can't seem to find a Tiger install CD. You have Tiger installed on a machine currently? If so, use CCC to make a backup of that to an external. Take the external to the iMac, and use CCC to slap it on the HD. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:25 AM, John Martz wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: Will Apple ever support eSATA? I tend to doubt it. My total wild-ass speculating guess is that this might be a Steve Jobs sort of thing. eSATA does not supply power to the external device and perhaps the Steve has deemed this to be as inappropriate as a two button mouse? Maybe they'll add support for eSATA with power (e-SATAP ?) at some future date? On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: What's the deal on USB 3.0? I don't know what the deal is with USB 3.0. I would have expected it to be integrated into the motherboard chipsets by now. But it was pointed out to me in another thread that Intel is currently talking as though there is no need to incorporate USB 3.0 until sometime towards the end of 2011 or perhaps even 2012? PC motherboards currently support USB 3.0 by incorporating a non-Intel chip. The only response Intel appears to have to that is to announce plans to sell their own discrete USB 3.0 support chip. I think Intel has its corporate bureaucratic head up its butt. Apparently the planners expect they can do the transition to USB 3.0 the same way that the move to USB 2.0 was done i.e. pretty much on their terms. However, no one seems to have checked with the Chinese manufacturers. They don't seem to care one bit about Intel's plans and are tossing USB 3.0 devices at the market with what appears to be an increasing pace. The market may well move fast enough on its own to leave Intel behind (at least for a bit). What truly surprises me is that AMD has not tried to exploit this by integrating USB 3.0 into one of their chipsets. Oh, well. My Macish point here is that I don't see Apple adding USB 3.0 support until Intel integrates it. Maybe they'll go the separate chip support route if the market builds enough. And/or if there are enough competing USB 3.0 chips out there for Apple to pit one against the other and get them at close to cost. USB 3.0 on a Mac would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation. Well that leaves the MacPro for those of us that want to buy a new machine, And a good reason not the sell the older dogs that are more suited to all the methods of large and fast data transfer. I keep sticking up for Ap,le on the SD front because I think maybe that will become a new universal transfer port other than a camera, like maybe the new SSD drives are?? Like any day there'll be a brand new device come out that will plug into the SD port on all the Apple units and be a super connection to all systems. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Dan wrote: At 4:01 PM + 6/15/2010, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: I need to install 10.4 on a G3 Lime iMac. However, I have a few problems to overcome. 1. I live in Portland, OR, and the iMac is in Las Vegas, where I will be visiting. 2. The iMac does not have a DVD drive. The Tiger install disc (disk) that I own is DVD. 3. I do NOT have access to an external CD drive to take with me. 4. I can't seem to find a Tiger install CD. You have Tiger installed on a machine currently? If so, use CCC to make a backup of that to an external. Take the external to the iMac, and use CCC to slap it on the HD. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. If you're intention is to upgrade an existing system then if using the CCC method remember that Migration Assistant I think will be needed to make it kinda easy otherwise a 10.4 upgrade install is the safest and fastest, IMHO But if this is a simple total system transfer then CCC rules here. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
At 8:51 PM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: Here's the system log beginning with a couple of lines before I plugged the modem in. com.devgure... is when I plugged the modem in. It's all Greek to me... Definately a hardware issue. Looks like it's cycling - it can't get a grip on the device. What else is plugged into your USB? Try unplugging evertything except that modem. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely a hardware issue. Looks like it's cycling - it can't get a grip on the device. Just wild speculation ... my first thought in a situation like this is that the device is not getting enough power/current. But usually I've only had that problem with external USB powered 2.5 hard drives. I would not expect power to be a concern here, but who knows. Unplugging every other device you can is a good place to start. Trying to use the device via a powered USB hub might be another. FWIW, -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
Yeah, I second Dan. It's hardware. Try what he said, and then try cleaning out your USB ports. Gunk can sometimes get in them and cause cycling. Use a Q-Tip. Illirik Smirnov On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:51 PM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: Here's the system log beginning with a couple of lines before I plugged the modem in. com.devgure... is when I plugged the modem in. It's all Greek to me... Definately a hardware issue. Looks like it's cycling - it can't get a grip on the device. What else is plugged into your USB? Try unplugging evertything except that modem. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
There are no USB or eSATA or SD or any such ports on the front because they don't look as nice. Illirik Smirnov On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:39 PM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:25 AM, John Martz wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: Will Apple ever support eSATA? I tend to doubt it. My total wild-ass speculating guess is that this might be a Steve Jobs sort of thing. eSATA does not supply power to the external device and perhaps the Steve has deemed this to be as inappropriate as a two button mouse? Maybe they'll add support for eSATA with power (e-SATAP ?) at some future date? On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: What's the deal on USB 3.0? I don't know what the deal is with USB 3.0. I would have expected it to be integrated into the motherboard chipsets by now. But it was pointed out to me in another thread that Intel is currently talking as though there is no need to incorporate USB 3.0 until sometime towards the end of 2011 or perhaps even 2012? PC motherboards currently support USB 3.0 by incorporating a non-Intel chip. The only response Intel appears to have to that is to announce plans to sell their own discrete USB 3.0 support chip. I think Intel has its corporate bureaucratic head up its butt. Apparently the planners expect they can do the transition to USB 3.0 the same way that the move to USB 2.0 was done i.e. pretty much on their terms. However, no one seems to have checked with the Chinese manufacturers. They don't seem to care one bit about Intel's plans and are tossing USB 3.0 devices at the market with what appears to be an increasing pace. The market may well move fast enough on its own to leave Intel behind (at least for a bit). What truly surprises me is that AMD has not tried to exploit this by integrating USB 3.0 into one of their chipsets. Oh, well. My Macish point here is that I don't see Apple adding USB 3.0 support until Intel integrates it. Maybe they'll go the separate chip support route if the market builds enough. And/or if there are enough competing USB 3.0 chips out there for Apple to pit one against the other and get them at close to cost. USB 3.0 on a Mac would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation. Well that leaves the MacPro for those of us that want to buy a new machine, And a good reason not the sell the older dogs that are more suited to all the methods of large and fast data transfer. I keep sticking up for Ap,le on the SD front because I think maybe that will become a new universal transfer port other than a camera, like maybe the new SSD drives are?? Like any day there'll be a brand new device come out that will plug into the SD port on all the Apple units and be a super connection to all systems. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Dan wrote: At 4:01 PM + 6/15/2010, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: I need to install 10.4 on a G3 Lime iMac. However, I have a few problems to overcome. 1. I live in Portland, OR, and the iMac is in Las Vegas, where I will be visiting. 2. The iMac does not have a DVD drive. The Tiger install disc (disk) that I own is DVD. 3. I do NOT have access to an external CD drive to take with me. 4. I can't seem to find a Tiger install CD. You have Tiger installed on a machine currently? If so, use CCC to make a backup of that to an external. Take the external to the iMac, and use CCC to slap it on the HD. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. If you have an external HD, don't mess with CCC. Just use disk utility to image your Tiger DVD onto it, boot the iMac from the external, and install like you would normally. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Dan wrote: At 7:39 AM -0400 6/15/2010, Len Gerstel wrote: 2.4 GHz Mini with HDMI. And user friendly RAM slot. Plus a little better graphics, NVidia 320m. But also a $100 price bump. I'm disappointed. IMO, this seems to be yet-another overpriced Mini that goes into the why bother category. It should be a fast machine, but then it's got older i/o technology, circa 2005ish, bolted on. Only one Firewire port. The 4 USB ports are probably again all the same bus. No eSATA. No USB 3. No Blu-ray. Can't tell - is there a wi-fi antenna port? If not, how does the signal escape that pretty all metal enclosure? And, on the server version, no dual ether or even 10 Gb ether. They moved the power supply inside,,, so now there will be heat issues in enclosed spaces. Why couldn't they have used all that extra space to provide better quality i/o? You know, the things that PCs have had available for a few years now! Then there's the SD slot -- ON THE BACK of the machine. So you have to pick up your computer, and turn it around - with cables attached - to plug in your camera card?? WTF! DItto for the four USB ports. IF they had all that space available,,, why couldn't they put the SD, FW and a USB port on the front ...and probably a slow 5,400 rpm drive... JT New Car Invoice Pricing Get Multiple Dealer Price Quotes! You Could Save Thousands! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c17c4feaa5652c253st03duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Dan wrote: At 8:51 PM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: Here's the system log beginning with a couple of lines before I plugged the modem in. com.devgure... is when I plugged the modem in. It's all Greek to me... Definitely a hardware issue. Looks like it's cycling - it can't get a grip on the device. What else is plugged into your USB? Try unplugging everything except that modem. Nothing else connected except for earlier testing, a mouse and the SD card reader. They worked fine so they have been returned to my desktop Gigabit. Just another thought that I discussed with Kris, it will not install the latest build of Cricket s/w. Maybe I should go back to, (kaff kaff), desperation and zap the Pram. sigh JT (Who's ready do drop Cricket and just live with dial up again) Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c17c723ec8153ceb3est05duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:51 PM, John Martz wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely a hardware issue. Looks like it's cycling - it can't get a grip on the device. Just wild speculation ... my first thought in a situation like this is that the device is not getting enough power/current. But usually I've only had that problem with external USB powered 2.5 hard drives. I would not expect power to be a concern here, but who knows. Unplugging every other device you can is a good place to start. Trying to use the device via a powered USB hub might be another. No other devices connected except for earlier testing to validate the function of both USB ports. Powered hub makes no difference. JT Try this Weight Loss Trick Simple weight loss secret to lose 12 pounds in 30 days http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c17c78fbb48c3f7d1dst02duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:40 AM, James Therrault wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Illirik Smirnov wrote: Yeah, I second Dan. It's hardware. Try what he said, and then try cleaning out your USB ports. Gunk can sometimes get in them and cause cycling. Use a Q-Tip. Illirik Smirnov But both USB ports work fine for my all-in-one card readers and a two button mouse. They may not pull as much current as the modem does. Have you tried loading this device as a different user on the computer? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:27 AM, James Therrault wrote: ...and probably a slow 5,400 rpm drive... Undoubtedly true. One way to conserve unit power is to dumb-down the HD from 7200 to 5400 rpm, and from 16 MB cache to 4 MB cache. Also, special firmware can be installed, and which further economizes on power, at the expense of performance, by artificially increasing latency time by slowing down the acceleration of the drive's voice- coil positioning mechanism. Apple has done this in the past, and I would expect no less in the future. One positive outcome of this anti-consumer initiative of Apple's is Mac-oriented retailers, such as OWC, seem to be right there with upgraded drives, which sport dramatically improved performance, and they accept these essentially new drives as trade-ins, which they promptly offer as pulls, at dramatic savings, usually advertising these as Apple-branded drives. Its a good way to get a drive for testing purposes, as the price is usually very low, yet the performance is not THAT bad, for a testing drive. And, all this policy essentially does, to the end-user, is to increase the effective cost of a Mac, that is, the cost to get a Mac which one REALLY wants v. the cost of a Mac which Apple EXPECTS us to make-do with. Is it any wonder that the OSx86 crowd is operating Snow machines which cost one-fourth, yet deliver four-times the performance? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
Try creating another user account and log in under that account to rule out issues with the account that you are currently using. Also, what OS are you running? I haven't been following this that long so I am unsure if this was answered previously, however, if you are running an Intel Mac and are using 10.6.2, it has a known usb issue that I ran into here primarily with USB thumbdrive which is what that device essentially mimics for the install files. It would cycle in and out repeatedly with certain devices, not all would do this. 10.6.3 fixes this issue, am unsure if this behavior is shown anywhere in 10.5. On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:40 PM, James Therrault wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Illirik Smirnov wrote: Yeah, I second Dan. It's hardware. Try what he said, and then try cleaning out your USB ports. Gunk can sometimes get in them and cause cycling. Use a Q-Tip. Illirik Smirnov But both USB ports work fine for my all-in-one card readers and a two button mouse.. JT -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Peter Haas wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:27 AM, James Therrault wrote: ...and probably a slow 5,400 rpm drive... Undoubtedly true. One way to conserve unit power is to dumb-down the HD from 7200 to 5400 rpm, and from 16 MB cache to 4 MB cache. Also, special firmware can be installed, and which further economizes on power, at the expense of performance, by artificially increasing latency time by slowing down the acceleration of the drive's voice-coil positioning mechanism. Apple has done this in the past, and I would expect no less in the future. One positive outcome of this anti-consumer initiative of Apple's is Mac-oriented retailers, such as OWC, seem to be right there with upgraded drives, which sport dramatically improved performance, and they accept these essentially new drives as trade-ins, which they promptly offer as pulls, at dramatic savings, usually advertising these as Apple-branded drives. Its a good way to get a drive for testing purposes, as the price is usually very low, yet the performance is not THAT bad, for a testing drive. And, all this policy essentially does, to the end-user, is to increase the effective cost of a Mac, that is, the cost to get a Mac which one REALLY wants v. the cost of a Mac which Apple EXPECTS us to make-do with. Is it any wonder that the OSx86 crowd is operating Snow machines which cost one-fourth, yet deliver four-times the performance? The guy that I bought my PowerBook, (G4, 2GB ram and 7,200 rpm 80GB drive), had the foresight to do this but he paid through the nose as he bought it from the Apple store... Fast HD makes a BIG difference! JT TODAY: iPads for $23.74? Special Report: Apple iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 80% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c17cee6884a13f919fst02duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
On Jun 14, 11:38 pm, James Chapel dragnero...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but AFAIK every DVD card will be mounted in a video card already, there won't be any loose decoders floating around, and since EVERY Radeon card supports hardware DVD decoding, you're MUCH better off ditching the Rage 128 and getting a Radeon 7000. I see where you're coming from here, but having just spent the money on a graphics card that handles everything I'd ever want to throw at it, I really can't seem to justify getting another one just to play back DVDs. You could also get a Wired4DVD card. This would take up another PCI slot, but would be a very contemporary (with the Beige G3) solution, which gives excellent hardware decoded DVD playback. Might be a trick finding one, although last time I checked the manufacturer was selling some really old stock for $15. If you're using the Wings, since it shares VRAM with the onboard video, it's a really good idea to have the optional 4MB VRAM chip installed. Interesting that you mention that. In the Apple System Profile I noticed that the computer reports 4MB of VRAM. Working with the motherboard, I also noticed that the VRAM chip is labled as a 4MB module. I remember reading somewhere that the Rage II+ built into the Rev-A G3s comes with 2MB VRAM built-in, for a maximum of 6MB. Is the Apple System Profiler only reporting the additional VRAM installed? Can I add an additional 2MB chip somehow? It sure sounds like your module is 2 MB or has a bad RAM chip on board making it appear as 2 MB. Try removing it and see if the system reports your 2 MB on board properly. It might be worth using the built-in ethernet to free up a slot for a controller card, I've been having nothing but problems with that 10/100 Apple card I picked up. If I'm not able sort things out in the next couple of weeks, I may do just that. SIIG made a USB2/Firewire400/Gigabit Enet combo card. When they were being closed out they were going for under $30. I don't know if there are still any out there or not. That would certainly save some slots. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Peter Haas wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:27 AM, James Therrault wrote: ...and probably a slow 5,400 rpm drive... Undoubtedly true. One way to conserve unit power is to dumb-down the HD from 7200 to 5400 rpm, and from 16 MB cache to 4 MB cache. And to reduce heat. And, all this policy essentially does, to the end-user, is to increase the effective cost of a Mac, that is, the cost to get a Mac which one REALLY wants v. the cost of a Mac which Apple EXPECTS us to make-do with. The Mini has always been a price point Mac. Yes, compromises are made to hit that point and that is the decision the end user needs to make. Yes, Apple could offer the mini with a 320GB SSD and 8GB of ram, but not at the same price. Is it any wonder that the OSx86 crowd is operating Snow machines which cost one-fourth, yet deliver four-times the performance? In the same form factor as the mini? Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:07 PM, James Therrault wrote: Have you tried loading this device as a different user on the computer? Not sure what you mean by different user as I'm the only one that has used this machine since purchasing it and reloading system software then (about three years ago). Go to System Preferences Accounts. create a test user, making them an Administrator. Log of, then on as the new user, and try installing the software as the new user. This is an elementary step in determining if an issue resides in the system side of things (if the new user has the same problems, it's a system or hardware issue, if not it's a prefs or other local file issue with the old user.) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
It sure sounds like your module is 2 MB or has a bad RAM chip on board making it appear as 2 MB. Try removing it and see if the system reports your 2 MB on board properly. I removed the SGRAM chip, rebooted using the on-board video and Apple System Profiler reports 2MB VRAM. I suppose it is a mislabled 2MB chip, then? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Chance Reecher wrote: Dan wrote: I'm disappointed. IMO, this seems to be yet-another overpriced Mini that goes into the why bother category. It should be a fast machine, but then it's got older i/o technology, circa 2005ish, bolted on. Only one Firewire port. The 4 USB ports are probably again all the same bus. No eSATA. No USB 3. You can't use I/O as an argument against the Mini when the iMacs have _less._ But the iMacs were not just refreshed. It would have been the perfect time to offer an i/o upgrade. The Firewire is 800, not too shabby. No Blu-ray. Adding Blu-ray to the mini would be pointless, as there is no playback software available for OS X. Wouldn't that be a good way to introduce it? Since the mini now has an hdmi port it would make sense to introduce it. There was a comment on slashdot about this. Basically it says Apple looks ahead a few years and they think blu-ray is dead end, streaming is the way to go in the future. Can't tell - is there a wi-fi antenna port? If not, how does the signal escape that pretty all metal enclosure? Maybe through the Apple logo on top? or the bottom? They moved the power supply inside,,, so now there will be heat issues in enclosed spaces. I highly doubt Apple would've moved it inside if it caused heat issues. Naw, Apple has never designed a computer with physical issues before. Road Apples anyone? Upgrade a 9500's ram? Why couldn't they have used all that extra space to provide better quality i/o? You know, the things that PCs have had available for a few years now! Then there's the SD slot -- ON THE BACK of the machine. So you have to pick up your computer, and turn it around - with cables attached - to plug in your camera card?? WTF! DItto for the four USB ports. IF they had all that space available,,, why couldn't they put the SD, FW and a USB port on the front That is stupid. I hated fumbling around on the back of my mini to plug in flash drives and other USB devices. Agreed on both the current and previous. Overall, for me the only drawback on the refurb 2.26MHz I just got delivered yesterday compared to these is the graphics chip. Overall, I think I got the better deal at $499. Even with these becoming refurbs in 2 months at $599. Yes, I knew a refresh was coming soon according to Macrumours. But I was able to splurge now and could not guarantee the funds would not be diverted to something else. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MDD OS9 Issue
I bought a dual 1GHZ MDD G4 without the original disks. Runs 10.4 just fine and I want to run OS9 on it but it won't boot from a 9.2.2 System Folder. I understand it has special requirements for OS9. What do I need to do if I can't get my hands on an original disk? TIA Rick -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:07 PM, James Therrault wrote: Have you tried loading this device as a different user on the computer? Not sure what you mean by different user as I'm the only one that has used this machine since purchasing it and reloading system software then (about three years ago). Go to System Preferences Accounts. create a test user, making them an Administrator. Log of, then on as the new user, and try installing the software as the new user. This is an elementary step in determining if an issue resides in the system side of things (if the new user has the same problems, it's a system or hardware issue, if not it's a prefs or other local file issue with the old user.) On every Mac I set up, i ALWAYS set up an Emergency account with a simple (to me) password for just this type of testing. A couple of times it has saved me a lot of time trouble shooting. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
Another possibility is what I did on my G3. If you have access tp a MacBook, put the Tiger DVD in its drive and throw it into hard drive mode. Then hook it up to Your G3 via USB. At 4:01 PM + 6/15/2010, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: I need to install 10.4 on a G3 Lime iMac. However, I have a few problems to overcome. 1. I live in Portland, OR, and the iMac is in Las Vegas, where I will be visiting. 2. The iMac does not have a DVD drive. The Tiger install disc (disk) that I own is DVD. 3. I do NOT have access to an external CD drive to take with me. 4. I can't seem to find a Tiger install CD. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
Lime iMacs can't boot from external HDDs, as they have no FireWire and booting from USB isn't supported on G3s. Matt Rhinesmith Sent from my jailbroken iPod touch -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GU d- s: a C UL P L+++ E W++ N o K- w--- O++ M++ V- PS+ PE- Y PGP t+ 5+ X+ R+++ tv++ b DI+ D+ G+ e-- h-- !r y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- iPod touch 3rd Gen 32GB iOS 3.1.3 Spirit Jailbroken 600 MHz ARM CPU 256 MB RAM On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:30 PM, g3-5-list+nore...@googlegroups.com wrote: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Matt Rhinesmith wrote: Lime iMacs can't boot from external HDDs, as they have no FireWire and booting from USB isn't supported on G3s. There are two Lime iMacs, one without Firewire and one with Firewire (the SE (Special Edition) model). You're correct that this Lime iMac is likely without Firewire because it lacks a DVD drive, and all SE versions came with a DVD drive. While Apple doesn't support booting from a USB 1 port on a colored iMac or iBook, it DOES boot from USB 1. You use the Option key at boot to select the USB device and it boots fine, but slowly since it's USB 1. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:33 PM, James Chapel wrote: I suppose it is a mislabled 2MB chip, then? I never heard of a 2MB chip, they're all 4MB AFAIK? I'd say it's a bad or dirty/poorly seated 4MB most likely. Clean those contacts and the slot and try again. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:33 PM, James Chapel wrote: It sure sounds like your module is 2 MB or has a bad RAM chip on board making it appear as 2 MB. Try removing it and see if the system reports your 2 MB on board properly. I removed the SGRAM chip, rebooted using the on-board video and Apple System Profiler reports 2MB VRAM. I suppose it is a mislabled 2MB chip, then? Probably. You can look at the numbers on the chips themselves and go to http://www.chipmunk.nl/dram/chipmanufacturers.htm to identify what you've got. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
I know alot of the macs don't have peripheral ports in the front, but why not hide them behind a tab or slider like the Dell optiplex series computers or the Hp a418x computer? How about Alienware towers? -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: Is it any wonder that the OSx86 crowd is operating Snow machines which cost one-fourth, yet deliver four-times the performance? In the same form factor as the mini? Of course not. But who, in reality, really cares about form factor. One usually cares about price/performance. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
Probably. You can look at the numbers on the chips themselves and go to http://www.chipmunk.nl/dram/chipmanufacturers.htm to identify what you've got. KM4132G271BQ-10 ^^-^^^- Internal Organization: 32-271 = 256K x 32 (8M bit): check module size/ banks 32-512 = 512K x 32(16M bit): check module size/ banks Each chip is a 32-512, so 16Mbit / 8 bits in a byte = 2MB per chip x 2 chips = 4MB Odd that even after cleaning the contacts, the VRAM still totals 4MB. It looks like I might have to replace it... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Peter Haas wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: Is it any wonder that the OSx86 crowd is operating Snow machines which cost one-fourth, yet deliver four-times the performance? In the same form factor as the mini? Of course not. But who, in reality, really cares about form factor. A famous quote No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame. This is referring to the Nomad MP3 player compared to the first iPod. You see how many Nomads are out there today. Pure specs killed that Apple attempt at an MP3 player called the iPod. Form factor and user interface do matter to a lot of people. The noise and heat generated by my DA with Dual processors (both Apple dual 533s and OWC 1.2s is significantly higher than the mini with an external dual HD enclosure. Since my computer room is right next to the kids bedrooms and I use it mostly at night when they are asleep, the form factor (and resultant noise) played a part in my decision to get the mini. A generic Dell box built by the lowest bidder will have better specs, but how much is Dell spending on OS development? Remember, Apple is a software company. The hardware is just the (officially) only way to run the software. One usually cares about price/performance. That is why there is everything from the Minis to the dual quad core pros. And most of the comparisons I have seen over the last couple of years place most Macs not too far off of equivalent quality name brand windows boxes. Sometimes cheaper, sometimes more, but almost always within a reasonable amount. Ask Bruce how many boxes of band aids he has used over the years working on various low cost (but brand name) windows boxes compared to Macs. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: But who, in reality, really cares about form factor. A famous quote In my MANY years as a Mac user (since at least the Apple IIcx days, with NO Gates/Windows machines, of ANY TYPE, whether a true Mac or a Mack, I have had three Mac Minis, but I have ALWAYS gone to OSx86 machines for price-performance. NO Mac has yet equalled or exceeded the price-performance of an (OSx86) Mack. Case closed, at least for me. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:07 PM, James Therrault wrote: Have you tried loading this device as a different user on the computer? Not sure what you mean by different user as I'm the only one that has used this machine since purchasing it and reloading system software then (about three years ago). Go to System Preferences Accounts. create a test user, making them an Administrator. Log of, then on as the new user, and try installing the software as the new user. This is an elementary step in determining if an issue resides in the system side of things (if the new user has the same problems, it's a system or hardware issue, if not it's a prefs or other local file issue with the old user.) Did it but no go... Now, in the System Profiler, the modem is seen when USB is highlighted... JT (And you think them thar' Keihn carbs were a bear..) Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c17f8045f1b23d6eccst05duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 12:07 PM, James Therrault wrote: Have you tried loading this device as a different user on the computer? Not sure what you mean by different user as I'm the only one that has used this machine since purchasing it and reloading system software then (about three years ago). Go to System Preferences Accounts. create a test user, making them an Administrator. Log of, then on as the new user, and try installing the software as the new user. This is an elementary step in determining if an issue resides in the system side of things (if the new user has the same problems, it's a system or hardware issue, if not it's a prefs or other local file issue with the old user.) On every Mac I set up, i ALWAYS set up an Emergency account with a simple (to me) password for just this type of testing. A couple of times it has saved me a lot of time trouble shooting. Len Did it but still no go... JT One Diet Secret! Simple weight loss trick to lose 12 pounds in 30 days http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c17f896cb6b73d7034st05duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Matt Rhinesmith wrote: Lime iMacs can't boot from external HDDs, as they have no FireWire and booting from USB isn't supported on G3s. Matt Rhinesmith Sent from my jailbroken iPod touch I beg ypur pardon I can boot all 4 of my iMac G3s with a 10.4 Tiger on a USB stick.:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: Remember, Apple is a software company. The hardware is just the (officially) only way to run the software. That one mad me laugh. No, Microsoft is a software company. Apple is ... well, Apple is whatever it is they are. But they are certainly not just a software company. Maybe you could say Apple is a product company. They don't really sell either hardware or software per se. They sell the premise that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. And they do this quite successfully, no? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Matt Rhinesmith platni...@gmail.comwrote: Lime iMacs can't boot from external HDDs, as they have no FireWire Yup. That's why I specified using USB. Although as another poster noted, there are some G3s that have firewire. Mine does, for example :-) But I didn't use it, and didn't specify it in my post. and booting from USB isn't supported on G3s. Installing Tiger isn't supported on G3s either. Sometimes you need to do a little experimenting to see what works even though it isn't technically supported. Yes, you CAN boot from USB on a G3. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
Look in the archives and check my postings. You will see that I explained that all PowerPC macs with USB can boot from USB. (except for beige systems and powerbooks before the G3 era.) I have successfully installed Mac OS X tiger on a blue (not indigo) iMac G3 @350Mhz with 512MB of RAM through my external DVD drive. Not only that, it has no firewire. I used XpostFacto. At first i really did think that PowerPC macs could not boot from USB drives, as i first attempted this on my Summer 2001 Graphite (yes, with firewire) iMac G3. I thought maybe it didn't work because of a OF error or block, but I then realized all that time i did not start up pressing and holding the Option button. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: You will see that I explained that all PowerPC macs with USB can boot from USB. This isn't true. None of the G4 Minis can boot from USB AFAIK. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Kevin Barth wrote: Installing Tiger isn't supported on G3s either. This is a good point. If this Lime iMac doesn't have Firewire, the CD installer set won't really help because it will have the block against installing onto non-Firewire Macs, and won't run without minor modification. This is another reason to either clone the installer DVD onto a USB stick and then add the modified OSInstall.dist file so that it can install onto any non-Firewire Mac; OR use a clone of a previously installed System. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: You will see that I explained that all PowerPC macs with USB can boot from USB. This isn't true. None of the G4 Minis can boot from USB AFAIK. You can boot the G4 Mini and all PPCs USB by powering up the USB drive first also you can boot via USB stick (slow but gets the job done) I booted my iMac g3s and all G4 machines both ways to prove the point. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:22 PM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: You will see that I explained that all PowerPC macs with USB can boot from USB. This isn't true. None of the G4 Minis can boot from USB AFAIK. You can boot the G4 Mini and all PPCs USB by powering up the USB drive first also you can boot via USB stick (slow but gets the job done) I booted my iMac g3s and all G4 machines both ways to prove the point. AFAIK any Mac with built in USB will boot on it. PPCs and Intel's. I'm going to try one of my Wally's with a powered Card Bus, I'm thinking it'll also boot as long as the power is there. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 6:22 PM, John Carmonne wrote: You can boot the G4 Mini and all PPCs USB by powering up the USB drive first also you can boot via USB stick (slow but gets the job done) I booted my iMac g3s and all G4 machines both ways to prove the point. I don't believe this is true. I've tried both the 1.25GHz original G4 Mini and the 1.42GHz G4 Mini with MANY powered up USB drives of all types, including both optical, HD and flash sticks, and none were able to boot on either Mini. Further, I've exhaustively scoured the web looking for any method to boot a G4 Mini from USB, and the only clue I ever saw was about using Open Firmware to manually force the USB to boot, which I also tried, and did not have success with. If you have a G4 Mini booted from USB please post a link to a screenshot as proof this works, and detail the exact OS and procedure you used please? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 6:22 PM, John Carmonne wrote: You can boot the G4 Mini and all PPCs USB by powering up the USB drive first also you can boot via USB stick (slow but gets the job done) I booted my iMac g3s and all G4 machines both ways to prove the point. I don't believe this is true. I've tried both the 1.25GHz original G4 Mini and the 1.42GHz G4 Mini with MANY powered up USB drives of all types, including both optical, HD and flash sticks, and none were able to boot on either Mini. Further, I've exhaustively scoured the web looking for any method to boot a G4 Mini from USB, and the only clue I ever saw was about using Open Firmware to manually force the USB to boot, which I also tried, and did not have success with. If you have a G4 Mini booted from USB please post a link to a screenshot as proof this works, and detail the exact OS and procedure you used please? Oh Oh I may have taken something for granted in my Mini statement, I'll need to get one now and see what I can do with it. What would set the G4 Mini apart from the preceding machines? I went to the local Apple reseller and repair shop and they said I couldn't boot from USB or a stick until I showed them so I figured I could do it on any G4 and G3 with built in ports. I think I have at least one of every Mac except a Mini. I'll sure get back to this soon:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
You know what? Don't explain a bunch of stuff to him that he might not want to know. It's helpful, i thank you for that, but he wants Mac OS X tiger re-installed on his system. i have a better idea. Pull out the HDD out of the lime iMac G3, put it in another iMac G3 (or how about I install tiger for ya.) install Mac OS X tiger on that iMac G3. Then, take the HDD back out put it back in the lime G3 and boot up Mac OS X Tiger! hooray! -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: SATA PCI card for dual 800 quicksilver
That is NOT going to work. Illirik Smirnov On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:53 AM, mlsimm...@aol.com wrote: CompUSA lists a Masscool XWT-RC061 3 Port SATA PCI Card - 2 internal SATA, External SATA, 1.5Gbps Support for $20 ---it says The board provides a 32bit, 33/66 MHz PCI interface on the host side, fully compliant Serial ATA ports on the device side to access Serial ATA mobile storage devices and standard media such as Hard Disk drive, floppy disk drive, CD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-ROM, etc... 3 Serial ATA port (two internal and one external), Has anyone had any luck with using this or any other generic cards on a quicksilver running Tiger This card appears to have significant problems in Windows, so it's very unlikely it will perform well in OS X. It appears to use a VIA chipset. The biggest problem I foresee on a Quicksilver is that the card won't be bootable, you need a card with Mac boot ROM, so most PC cards that work under OS X are strictly for storage only, they can't boot under normal conditions. This card seems to be a RAID card, meaning that individual HDs aren't useable as separate drives. I don't think this is a good solution for a PPC Mac. The only cards that I'm aware of that have the PPC Mac boot ROM are the Firmtek cards and perhaps the Acard? There are cards like that Sonnet that are rebranded Firmtek cards, there may be others, but be sure you can boot IF you need to boot. If you don't need to boot, Silicon Image cards have Mac support and are very reasonably priced, but they won't boot on a PPC Mac. I have to agree with Illrik and Kris here. Most PCI cards that have the Via or Ali chipset whether it is a USB2.0 , SATA or IDE card are problematical on the Mac and cause issues like sleep problems or i the case of this SATA card just won't be recognised. These cards below are known to work on a Mac and most if not all are bootable with a connected HD and correct OS version. Prices are roughly what I have gleaned from the 'net. My preference is for the SeriTek/1S2 as I have two in different G4s and they work great with attached internal drives. Others like the Sonnet Tempo SATA X4P have eSATA external ports only but those attached hard drives are bootable FirmTek SeriTek/1S2 : two port internal $64 US FirmTek SeriTek/1V4 : $ 109 US : Sonnet's Tempo™ SATA X4i 4-port : $178 US Sonnet Tempo SATA X4P PCI and PCI-X 4 port external eSata only - no internal SATA ports $ 299 US SIIG Serial ATA PCI card : $59 US 2 channel SIIG SC-SA4011 4-Channel PCI to SATA Host Adapter : $65 US Acard AEC-6280M 2-Channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter : $70 US Mac OS8.5,OS9 and OSX Acard AEC-6293M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter : $80 US Acard AEC-6290M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter : $80 US Stewie _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Safari 4.1
Interestingyou can level up in Mafia Wars (Facebook) with no problem but if you do it in Vampire Wars (Facebook) it freezes up and you get Application Not Responding. Any reason for this? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari 4.1
At 8:27 PM -0500 6/15/2010, Stephen Conrad wrote: Interestingyou can level up in Mafia Wars (Facebook) with no problem but if you do it in Vampire Wars (Facebook) it freezes up and you get Application Not Responding. Any reason for this? While enamored with Tony Soprano, Safari perhaps doesn't like things that suck. Try that latest WebKit Nightly. If it still hangs, then follow the directions on the webkit site for filing bug reports. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 9:17 am, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:01 AM, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: I need to install 10.4 on a G3 Lime iMac. However, I have a few problems to overcome. 1. I live in Portland, OR, and the iMac is in Las Vegas, where I will be visiting. 2. The iMac does not have a DVD drive. The Tiger install disc (disk) that I own is DVD. 3. I do NOT have access to an external CD drive to take with me. 4. I can't seem to find a Tiger install CD. Does anyone out there have a Tiger install CD? Can anyone make one for me? Make an image of you DVD and use Disk Utiliy to restore the image on a USB stick it will boot the G3 and install from it. JOHN CARMONNE Will the iMac boot up from the USB stick/flash drive? I thought G3's could not boot up from a USB drive. After making the Disk Image, would I just drag it on to a flash drive or does it have to be installed on it? Also, 10.3 is currently on the iMac.. It's been a while since I have done an upgrade. So would Archive and Install till be an option? Jane -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 9:34 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 4:01 PM + 6/15/2010, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: I need to install 10.4 on a G3 Lime iMac. However, I have a few problems to overcome. 1. I live in Portland, OR, and the iMac is in Las Vegas, where I will be visiting. 2. The iMac does not have a DVD drive. The Tiger install disc (disk) that I own is DVD. 3. I do NOT have access to an external CD drive to take with me. 4. I can't seem to find a Tiger install CD. You have Tiger installed on a machine currently? If so, use CCC to make a backup of that to an external. Take the external to the iMac, and use CCC to slap it on the HD. - Dan. Dan (and John), I have a back up of my G4 iMac running 10.4.11 using SuperDuper on a LaCie Firewire external drive. It is not exactly light weight! But the Firewire won't work, either. I still think the easiest solution is to find a 10.4 install CD. I don't need to have iTunes, iPhoto, Garage Band or any of those CD- hogging Apps. Jane -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: On Jun 15, 9:17 am, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:01 AM, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: I need to install 10.4 on a G3 Lime iMac. However, I have a few problems to overcome. 1. I live in Portland, OR, and the iMac is in Las Vegas, where I will be visiting. 2. The iMac does not have a DVD drive. The Tiger install disc (disk) that I own is DVD. 3. I do NOT have access to an external CD drive to take with me. 4. I can't seem to find a Tiger install CD. Does anyone out there have a Tiger install CD? Can anyone make one for me? Make an image of you DVD and use Disk Utiliy to restore the image on a USB stick it will boot the G3 and install from it. JOHN CARMONNE Will the iMac boot up from the USB stick/flash drive? I thought G3's could not boot up from a USB drive. After making the Disk Image, would I just drag it on to a flash drive or does it have to be installed on it? No after the image is made use the disk Utility Restore feature to get it on the stick. And be sure to test it before heading to Las Vegas. That's how I do it. Also, 10.3 is currently on the iMac.. It's been a while since I have done an upgrade. So would Archive and Install till be an option? Jane Yes it will boot from the USB stick and Yes install and archive if you have the drive space. The stick will be slow so don't get antsy give it time it works pefectly. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
2TB SATAs on Seritek for my Quicksilver Dual 1GHz
Currently have good success with a 1TB Seagate SATA and a Firmtek Seritek 1S2 SATA Controller on my Digital Audio Dual 533 OS X 10.5.8. Anyone have experience with the so-called energy efficient LP Seagate? http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Seagate/ST32000542AS/ Its 2TBs but shows as a 5900rpm drive. My other SATAs are 7200rpm. Since the SATA drives are so fast, would I notice the drop in rotational speed using for video capture work on my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz under OS X 10.5.8? I feel yes, but wonder if anyone has used it. Trying to justify putting another $200 (SATA controller + 2TB HD) or so in my QS ... Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
James Chapel wrote: Probably. You can look at the numbers on the chips themselves and go to http://www.chipmunk.nl/dram/chipmanufacturers.htm to identify what you've got. KM4132G271BQ-10 ^^-^^^- Internal Organization: 32-271 = 256K x 32 (8M bit): check module size/ banks 32-512 = 512K x 32(16M bit): check module size/ banks Each chip is a 32-512, so 16Mbit / 8 bits in a byte = 2MB per chip x 2 chips = 4MB Odd that even after cleaning the contacts, the VRAM still totals 4MB. It looks like I might have to replace it... Do the chips on your module read KM4132G271BQ-10? or KM4132G512xx- xx? If the former, then they are 8 Mbit chips for a total of 2 MB of capacity. Samsung made three SGRAM chips in this line. The two listed above and the KM4132G112 which had a 32 Mbit capacity. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
Len Gerstel wrote: The Mini has always been a price point Mac. Yes, compromises are made to hit that point and that is the decision the end user needs to make. Yes, Apple could offer the mini with a 320GB SSD and 8GB of ram, but not at the same price. Does the Mini still have support for only one monitor? If they'd add dual monitor support (the video chip almost certainly supports it), I'd buy one in an instant. I don't need slots, but I want dual monitor support. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 1:38 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Matt Rhinesmith wrote: Lime iMacs can't boot from external HDDs, as they have no FireWire and booting from USB isn't supported on G3s. There are two Lime iMacs, one without Firewire and one with Firewire (the SE (Special Edition) model). You're correct that this Lime iMac is likely without Firewire because it lacks a DVD drive, and all SE versions came with a DVD drive. While Apple doesn't support booting from a USB 1 port on a colored iMac or iBook, it DOES boot from USB 1. You use the Option key at boot to select the USB device and it boots fine, but slowly since it's USB 1. Kris --- and everyone else who has responded (thank you!) --- I just got the specs for the iMac: Lime Green iMac Model: PowerMac 2.1 CPU Type: Power PC 750 (83.0) Processor: 400 MHz PowerPC G3 Memory: 512 MB SDRAM Hard Drive: 10 gig Ports: 2 USB Firewire 400 Ethernet So it DOES have Firewire and a Tiger CD copy would work. Jane -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 Upgrade Questions
The chips read KM4132G512Q-8. On Jun 15, 7:12 pm, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: James Chapel wrote: Probably. You can look at the numbers on the chips themselves and go to http://www.chipmunk.nl/dram/chipmanufacturers.htm to identify what you've got. KM4132G271BQ-10 ^^-^^^- Internal Organization: 32-271 = 256K x 32 (8M bit): check module size/ banks 32-512 = 512K x 32(16M bit): check module size/ banks Each chip is a 32-512, so 16Mbit / 8 bits in a byte = 2MB per chip x 2 chips = 4MB Odd that even after cleaning the contacts, the VRAM still totals 4MB. It looks like I might have to replace it... Do the chips on your module read KM4132G271BQ-10? or KM4132G512xx- xx? If the former, then they are 8 Mbit chips for a total of 2 MB of capacity. Samsung made three SGRAM chips in this line. The two listed above and the KM4132G112 which had a 32 Mbit capacity. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
t...@io.com wrote: Does the Mini still have support for only one monitor? If they'd add dual monitor support (the video chip almost certainly supports it), I'd buy one in an instant. I don't need slots, but I want dual monitor support. Jeff Walther It's had dual monitor support for over a year now! I also wanted to add some info from a Macworld article that answers some questions posed earlier today: 1) The wifi antenna location - there's one on the bottom near the front, and one on the back near the ports. 2) The USB ports are NOT on one bus, they are on two. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 4:57 pm, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: You know what? Don't explain a bunch of stuff to him that he might not want to know. It's helpful, i thank you for that, but he wants Mac OS X tiger re-installed on his system. i have a better idea. Pull out the HDD out of the lime iMac G3, put it in another iMac G3 (or how about I install tiger for ya.) install Mac OS X tiger on that iMac G3. Then, take the HDD back out put it back in the lime G3 and boot up Mac OS X Tiger! hooray! Mark, I assume that you are talking about my original post.Tiger is NOT on this iMac. It is now running 10.3. I want to install Tiger. I can't pull out HD and put in another one because I don't have the time, money or access to another G3 hard drive. I will be only be there for a few days. That would be great if you could install Tiger for me, but how would that be possible? Jane -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
Lime Green iMac Model: PowerMac 2.1 CPU Type: Power PC 750 (83.0) Processor: 400 MHz PowerPC G3 Memory: 512 MB SDRAM Hard Drive: 10 gig Ports: 2 USB Firewire 400 Ethernet So it DOES have Firewire and a Tiger CD copy would work. Jane A Tiger CD is kinda hard to find, I'd use the image on a stick or another way is a USB DVD drive, You boot the DVD from Startup Disk in OS 9, Trust me the stick is the easiest and cheapest way to go, I'm starring at a G3 iMac right now booted from a stick with Tiger 10.4 install DVD image on it. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Chance Reecher cha...@reecher.net wrote: t...@io.com wrote: Does the Mini still have support for only one monitor? If they'd add dual monitor support (the video chip almost certainly supports it), I'd buy one in an instant. I don't need slots, but I want dual monitor support. Jeff Walther It's had dual monitor support for over a year now! I also wanted to add some info from a Macworld article that answers some questions posed earlier today: 1) The wifi antenna location - there's one on the bottom near the front, and one on the back near the ports. 2) The USB ports are NOT on one bus, they are on two. __ All in all continuing to make the H word we cannot use here more and more attractive. Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem??? Fixed!!!
What I ended up doing was plugging the offending modem into the G4 Gigabit where it would mount as a CD. I then created a new folder and copied the contents to it and then sent it to my drop folder in the PowerBook. (I first tried to do a disk image as suggested by Bruce but no go) Plugged the modem into the PowerBook, (still wouldn't mount), and opened my newly created folder that contained the old installer. Installation went smoothly, did the restart and even though no bars (signal strength) were showing in the connection utility, it dialed out and authenticated within a few seconds and I was back to surfin' and such. Still haven't got a clue on what caused my original problem but... Thanks to all that gave suggestions! Get Free Email with Video Mail Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
to scsi or not to scsi?
ok, new to the scsi thing as you might have guessed. it just seems to me that it's such a yesterday technology, why is it still in big demand? isn't sata better? (yes, I might just learn something here) Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Lime iMac and 10.4 instal CD
On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: So it DOES have Firewire and a Tiger CD copy would work. Yes, since it has Firewire it's an SE version, and the optical drive is certainly at least a DVD ROM drive, so that means your Tiger Installer DVD should work as is for this iMac. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA PCI card for dual 800 quicksilver
thanks for all the inputs- I was primarily looking at large storage, not necessarily bootable (but something to obviously consider that I wouldn't have without these responses ). SATA appears to be the least expensive/most available hard drives On Jun 15, 4:43 pm, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: That is NOT going to work. Illirik Smirnov On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:53 AM, mlsimm...@aol.com wrote: CompUSA lists a Masscool XWT-RC061 3 Port SATA PCI Card - 2 internal SATA, External SATA, 1.5Gbps Support for $20 ---it says The board provides a 32bit, 33/66 MHz PCI interface on the host side, fully compliant Serial ATA ports on the device side to access Serial ATA mobile storage devices and standard media such as Hard Disk drive, floppy disk drive, CD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-ROM, etc... 3 Serial ATA port (two internal and one external), Has anyone had any luck with using this or any other generic cards on a quicksilver running Tiger This card appears to have significant problems in Windows, so it's very unlikely it will perform well in OS X. It appears to use a VIA chipset. The biggest problem I foresee on a Quicksilver is that the card won't be bootable, you need a card with Mac boot ROM, so most PC cards that work under OS X are strictly for storage only, they can't boot under normal conditions. This card seems to be a RAID card, meaning that individual HDs aren't useable as separate drives. I don't think this is a good solution for a PPC Mac. The only cards that I'm aware of that have the PPC Mac boot ROM are the Firmtek cards and perhaps the Acard? There are cards like that Sonnet that are rebranded Firmtek cards, there may be others, but be sure you can boot IF you need to boot. If you don't need to boot, Silicon Image cards have Mac support and are very reasonably priced, but they won't boot on a PPC Mac. I have to agree with Illrik and Kris here. Most PCI cards that have the Via or Ali chipset whether it is a USB2.0 , SATA or IDE card are problematical on the Mac and cause issues like sleep problems or i the case of this SATA card just won't be recognised. These cards below are known to work on a Mac and most if not all are bootable with a connected HD and correct OS version. Prices are roughly what I have gleaned from the 'net. My preference is for the SeriTek/1S2 as I have two in different G4s and they work great with attached internal drives. Others like the Sonnet Tempo SATA X4P have eSATA external ports only but those attached hard drives are bootable FirmTek SeriTek/1S2 : two port internal $64 US FirmTek SeriTek/1V4 : $ 109 US : Sonnet's Tempo™ SATA X4i 4-port : $178 US Sonnet Tempo SATA X4P PCI and PCI-X 4 port external eSata only - no internal SATA ports $ 299 US SIIG Serial ATA PCI card : $59 US 2 channel SIIG SC-SA4011 4-Channel PCI to SATA Host Adapter : $65 US Acard AEC-6280M 2-Channel PCI to IDE Host Adapter : $70 US Mac OS8.5,OS9 and OSX Acard AEC-6293M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter : $80 US Acard AEC-6290M 2-Channel PCI to IDE+SATA Host Adapter : $80 US Stewie _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job sitehttp://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: to scsi or not to scsi?
On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:37 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: ok, new to the scsi thing as you might have guessed. it just seems to me that it's such a yesterday technology, why is it still in big demand? isn't sata better? (yes, I might just learn something here) SCSI HDs are built to industrial standards and have much higher quality bearings and mechanical workings. They also can turn at up to 15,000 RPM. On the down side, they are hot, energy inefficient, and are difficult to configure. SCSI is like a Hummer in a Prius world. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA PCI card for dual 800 quicksilver
On Jun 16, 2010, at 12:28 AM, mlsimmons wrote: I was primarily looking at large storage, not necessarily bootable. Then go for a Silicon Image chipset card, they're reasonable on eBay or elsewhere, and have good drivers for OS X. If you need bootable, I recommend Firmtek. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
