Video card upgrade?
I have a G5 Dual 2.7 6GB that I recently swapped out the ATI Radeon 9650 with a Radeon 9800 Pro complete with a large copper colored fan sporting blue lights that can be seen through the cheese grater holes in the case:-) My question is what increased video experience should I expect? I'm not a gammer and so far I'm thinking I may have just spit in the wind on this upgrade. I guess what I want to know is how can I see a beneficial video change from my investment? I like to max out my Macs just because it's fun to see the results but this video stuff has me wondering? John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video card upgrade?
John, In the technical sense, this could be an answer: http://www.barefeats.com/rad9650.html. In real life, you might not see a huge difference. But it actually makes some kind of difference. A couple years ago I had a 450Mhz dual Mystic, 2 gigs of RAM, running Leopard with an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro, and it was adequate, minus the eye candy. But when I replaced the Radeon with a flashed 256Mb GeForce 6200, the Mystic just got unleashed. It ran circles around my 1.25Ghz eMac, which also had two gigs of (much faster) memory but a merely adequate video card. I know this is all anecdotal, but in the end the user experience is what counts. So enjoy your bumped-up system with the blue lights... :-) HTH, Felix On Nov 6, 7:20 pm, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I have a G5 Dual 2.7 6GB that I recently swapped out the ATI Radeon 9650 with a Radeon 9800 Pro complete with a large copper colored fan sporting blue lights that can be seen through the cheese grater holes in the case:-) My question is what increased video experience should I expect? I'm not a gammer and so far I'm thinking I may have just spit in the wind on this upgrade. I guess what I want to know is how can I see a beneficial video change from my investment? I like to max out my Macs just because it's fun to see the results but this video stuff has me wondering? John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video card upgrade?
Il giorno 7-11-2011 1:20, JohnCarmonne ha scritto: I have a G5 Dual 2.7 6GB that I recently swapped out the ATI Radeon 9650 with a Radeon 9800 Pro complete with a large copper colored fan sporting blue lights that can be seen through the cheese grater holes in the case:-) My question is what increased video experience should I expect? I recently made some comparisons when shopping for a new video card. (I'm talking mostly about videogames perfomance, though) I can't remember everything, but IIRC the R9650 was holding its ground against the old heavyweights like R9800 Pro and GeForce 4 Ti. The R9650 was slower, yes, but not very much, and with a newer architecure (I think). R9800 and GF 4 were monsters, yes... but it was like ten years ago. ;-) I like to max out my Macs just because it's fun to see the results but this video stuff has me wondering? If you want something really better, and if you like tinkering, you should consider getting a (flashable) PC video card, and make it for Mac. AFAIK, the Radeon X800XT and the GeForce 7800GS are amongst the best AGP cards you can put into a G5. (unless you have the latest G5 with PCI-e slot) Here's a link for a site dedicated to flashing PC cards for Mac: http://themacelite.wikidot.com/start and a good page with info about flashing an X800 XT x Mac: http://www.s155158671.websitehome.co.uk/macx800xtaqua-ma.html Again, it all depends on what you do with the Mac: if you don't do gaming, I don't know how much difference a powerful video card can make... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G5 Video card upgrade
I currently am using the below stock video card OEM. I'd like to have a card that would support a 30 display (not a flashed card please) What card (Apple please) would be a nice upgrade for my early 2005 G5 power Mac? Jeff ATI Radeon 9600: 2x DVI ports Chipset Model:ATY,RV351 Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-1 VRAM (Total): 128 MB Vendor: ATI (0x1002) Device ID:0x4150 Revision ID: 0x ROM Revision: 113-A58504-113 Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 My Mac Information: Power Mac G5 (Early 2005 Model) Dual 2.3ghz 6 gb DDR SDRAM Leopard 10.5.8 (Build 9L31a) Firmtek/Seritek 1V4 (Rom v. 5.1.3) G5-Jive w/3 500gb WD HD's Silicon Image 4-port PCI X eSata Samsung SyncMaster 245bw 24 Apple Wireless Keyboard MC184LL/A Apple Magic Mouse MB829LL/A Jeff Engle Kamiah Idaho 83539 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Video card upgrade
On Jul 19, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I'd like to have a card that would support a 30 display http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1167171 As expensive as an Apple 30 display is, combined with the cost of a new video card, you might consider upgrading the entire computer, it could be cheaper in the long run? The 27 iMac has nearly identical screen resolution to the Apple 30 Cinema display. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Video card upgrade
Jeffrey Engle wrote: I currently am using the below stock video card OEM. I'd like to have a card that would support a 30 display (not a flashed card please) What card (Apple please) would be a nice upgrade for my early 2005 G5 power Mac? Jeff My June 2004 2.0 DP is nearly identical except for the expansion slots (June 04 has two 100 MHz 64 bit PCI-X, one 133 MHz 64 bit PCI-X and one 8x AGP Pro where the Early 2005 has three 33 MHz 64 bit PCI, two 100 MHz 64 bit PCI-X and one 8x AGP Pro) and the ODD. It came with an NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra w/256 MB VRAM and 2 dual-link DVI that drives a 23 Al CD. I stress the machine hard running the CPUs at 100% 24/7 and the video card performs very well. Of course Flash is still not great but that is never going to change for PPC Macs. This card was offered on both the June 2004 and the Early 2005 Power Macs. According to Mactracker the June 2004 Power Mac was also available with an NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT DDL that also has 256 MB VRAM and 2 dual-link DVI. For some reason this card was not offered on the Early 2005. Either one of these cards is probably going to be VERY pricey new, Apple's price for a replacement 6800 Ultra is about $600. That would be enough to cause me to take a serious look at flashed PC cards even though they can be a crap shoot. Here is a review of the 6800 Ultra: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/mac_6800ultra_review/index.html HTH, Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, PPC 7455 @ 1.25 GHz, 2 GB PC 2700 RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR VRAM PowerBook 15 DL-SD, PPC 7447B @ 1.67 GHz, 2 GB PC2 4200 DDR2 RAM, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR VRAM Power Mac June 04, PPC 970fx DP @2.0 GHz, 8 GB PC 3200 DDR RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB VRAM -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Video card upgrade
On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jul 19, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I'd like to have a card that would support a 30 display http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1167171 As expensive as an Apple 30 display is, combined with the cost of a new video card, you might consider upgrading the entire computer, it could be cheaper in the long run? The 27 iMac has nearly identical screen resolution to the Apple 30 Cinema display. just looking to support a bigger display than the 24 I currently use. Jeff Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Video card upgrade
Sorry, I thought you had a 2.0 GHz DP. The correct expansion slots for your 2.3 GHz DP are two 100 MHz 64 bit PCI-X, one 133 MHz 64 bit PCI-X, and one 8x AGP Pro. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, PPC 7455 @ 1.25 GHz, 2 GB PC 2700 RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR VRAM PowerBook 15 DL-SD, PPC 7447B @ 1.67 GHz, 2 GB PC2 4200 DDR2 RAM, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR VRAM Power Mac June 04, PPC 970fx DP @2.0 GHz, 8 GB PC 3200 DDR RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Video card upgrade
On Jul 19, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: just looking to support a bigger display than the 24 I currently use. In that case, get the biggest HDTV you can find. It should work with your current video card. I'm always looking for a higher resolution screen. Some of the newer 19 are better resolution than my current 22, so I could possibly get a smaller screen as an upgrade in resolution. That's why I mentioned the 27 iMac, it's got a higher resolution screen than the 30 Apple Cinema Display. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Video card upgrade
-- Original message -- Subject: G5 Video card upgrade Date:Montag 19 Juli 2010N From:Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com What card (Apple please) would be a nice upgrade for my early 2005 G5 power Mac? Jeff There is a ATI Radeon X800 Mac Edition, but it costs quite a large amount of $$$ on eBay, so I'd reconsider twice. Also, I'm not sure about the screen resolution it supports for your proposed Apple display. I don't know so much about the nVidia cards thou. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Video card upgrade
Mac User #330250 wrote: There is a ATI Radeon X800 Mac Edition, but it costs quite a large amount of $$$ on eBay, so I'd reconsider twice. Also, I'm not sure about the screen resolution it supports for your proposed Apple display. Your post caused me to look around and I too found the ATI Radeon X800 XT Mac Edition, from what I've read it's a little bit better than the GeForce 6800 Ultra and cheaper too. If I had to replace my 6800 Ultra I think the X800 XT is what I would go with. Luckily my Power Mac is still under warranty if you can believe that. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, PPC 7455 @ 1.25 GHz, 2 GB PC 2700 RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR VRAM PowerBook 15 DL-SD, PPC 7447B @ 1.67 GHz, 2 GB PC2 4200 DDR2 RAM, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR VRAM Power Mac June 04, PPC 970fx DP @2.0 GHz, 8 GB PC 3200 DDR RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video Card Upgrade Info Please
Thanks, Pete. I actually wound up going with an ATI 9600XT. I feel pretty confident that I can tape over pins 3 and 11. Can you, or any one else for that matter, tell me what Quartz Extreme and Core Image is? I am still learning about the deepr things of Mac land. Thanks, Dennis pdimage wrote: On 28/6/10 20:09, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote: Hi All: I am looking to upgrade the video in my DA dual 533. I found the following card on eBay: MAC nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4600 AGP Video Card 128MB VRAM Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/MAC-nVidia-GeForce4-Ti-4600-AGP-Video-Card-128MB-VRAM-/110 550696900?cmd=ViewItempt=PCC_Video_TV_Cardshash=item19bd55c3c4 Is this a good card? Is it as powerful as the seller says it is? Thanks, Dennis It's an old card and though it supports Qextreme it does not support CoreImage - so if you would like to have CoreImage you will need a minimum GeForce 5200 or better - for Radeon cards a 9600/9700/9800 Pro - the higher the better. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video Card Upgrade Info Please
Core image is the very center of the graphics on Mac OS X. If the video card doesn't support it, well then, I guess you can kiss fast graphics goodbye. As for quartz extreme, i don't know too much about it, but I know for a fact that any video card that doesn't support it will make the graphics even on Mac OS X 10.4.11 or earlier really slow. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video Card Upgrade Info Please
From what I understand, it goes like this: Quartz Extreme was Apple's first layer of hardware video acceleration. It requires a minimum of a GeForce 2 or a Radeon graphics card on an AGP bus to function. Quartz Extreme was designed to speed up finder graphics and 2D animation by offloading graphics rendering to the graphics card instead of using the CPU for rendering as had been done in the past. Without a Quartz Extreme video card, Tiger and later operating systems are fairly sluggish since the CPU is required to render all graphics and animations that your screen displays. Core Image takes Quartz Extreme to the next level. It required a GeForce 5200 or a Radeon 9600 graphics card minimum to function. Core Image accelerates all graphics rendering on the system as well as allowing 3rd party applications to use the graphics card for proprietary functions. 2 examples I can think of right off the top of my head are Flash and Photoshop. Flash applets, such as YouTube will benefit SIGNIFICANTLY from Core Image. I can use my Quicksilver G4 as an example. With it's stock GeForce 4 graphics card on Leopard, only Quartz Extreme is supported. Watching a YouTube movie is similar to watching a slide show. The whole computer grinds to a halt. I upgraded it a while back to run a flashed GeForce 6200 graphics card which supports Core Image. The XBench graphics benchmark score actually went DOWN, but Flash apps like YouTube run smooth as glass. The Finder overall feels much more responsive as well. If you can manage it, upgrading to a Core Image capable card makes a major difference in how your Mac behaves. For further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_Extreme http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Image On Jul 5, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: Core image is the very center of the graphics on Mac OS X. If the video card doesn't support it, well then, I guess you can kiss fast graphics goodbye. As for quartz extreme, i don't know too much about it, but I know for a fact that any video card that doesn't support it will make the graphics even on Mac OS X 10.4.11 or earlier really slow. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video Card Upgrade Info Please
Eric Herbert wrote: From what I understand, it goes like this: If you can manage it, upgrading to a Core Image capable card makes a major difference in how your Mac behaves. For further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_Extreme http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Image Well, cool. It sounds like I did something right. The guy who sold me the card had it listed as supporting Quartz Extreme and Core Image. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video Card Upgrade Info Please
On 28/6/10 20:09, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote: Hi All: I am looking to upgrade the video in my DA dual 533. I found the following card on eBay: MAC nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4600 AGP Video Card 128MB VRAM Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/MAC-nVidia-GeForce4-Ti-4600-AGP-Video-Card-128MB-VRAM-/110 550696900?cmd=ViewItempt=PCC_Video_TV_Cardshash=item19bd55c3c4 Is this a good card? Is it as powerful as the seller says it is? Thanks, Dennis It's an old card and though it supports Qextreme it does not support CoreImage - so if you would like to have CoreImage you will need a minimum GeForce 5200 or better - for Radeon cards a 9600/9700/9800 Pro - the higher the better. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video Card Upgrade Info Please
It is actually an okay-ish card. if you want something that doesn't go slow, this is a good choice. Don't rely way too heavily on this, because it's only 128MB of video RAM. On a scale from 1 to 10, it is a 4. I am going to get my Nvidia GeForce 6200 GT card with 256MB of VRAM flashed to my sawtooth. Basically, the more memory you can get to work on the video graphics on your mac, the better. If you want regular and no intensive heavy tasks, then a 128MB video card would do fine. If you want something just twice as serious, get something like i did. On a scale from 1 to 10, my Nvidia GeForce 6200 performs like a 10, with all of the smooth graphics. (Don't forget people, a new MBP ships with 256MB of video RAM standard, so 256MB of Video RAM is good!) Unless you can get really lucky and find a video card with 512MB of VRAM on an AGP slot. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Video Card Upgrade Info Please
Hi All: I am looking to upgrade the video in my DA dual 533. I found the following card on eBay: MAC nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4600 AGP Video Card 128MB VRAM Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/MAC-nVidia-GeForce4-Ti-4600-AGP-Video-Card-128MB-VRAM-/110550696900?cmd=ViewItempt=PCC_Video_TV_Cardshash=item19bd55c3c4 Is this a good card? Is it as powerful as the seller says it is? Thanks, Dennis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newbie! Memory and Video card upgrade for G4 dual 867Mhz PowerPc
I usppose he can use a crossover cable to connect both computers and move things form one to the other. I just did that between my XP and iMac On Nov 12, 6:14 am, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Patrick Lee wrote: Hi! I'm TOTALLY new to Mac, so pardon me if I sound clueless! I have a G4 dual 867Mhz with nVidia 32MB AGP display, running Mac OS 10.3.9. I'd like to upgrade to OS 10.5. Therefore, I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM to 2GB, which is the max. 1. What's the memory stick that I can use? 512MBper stick or 1GB or 2GB? 2. For the VRAM, is 32MB the max? 3. How can I upgrade my 60GB HDD to 160GB? Any 3.5 IDE HDD will do? Can I do clone my existing HDD to the new HDD without re-installing everything? If yes, how/what software do I use? I'm also thinking of replacing the DVD-ROM with a DVD-RW. Will any DVD-writer do? Appreciate some advice on this. Thanks. Patrick. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list Im not sure about the RAM, but if it has 4 slots it probably takes 512MB sticks in each. To upgrade the VRAM, you need a new video card. The optical drive is standard, but not all drives have burning support in OSX. Fo those drives that don't there's PatchBurn (google it.) And finally, you will need an external enclosure for moving stuff from the old hard drive ot the new one. Any hard drive will do for the internal. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Newbie! Memory and Video card upgrade for G4 dual 867Mhz PowerPc
Hi! I'm TOTALLY new to Mac, so pardon me if I sound clueless! I have a G4 dual 867Mhz with nVidia 32MB AGP display, running Mac OS 10.3.9. I'd like to upgrade to OS 10.5. Therefore, I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM to 2GB, which is the max. 1. What's the memory stick that I can use? 512MBper stick or 1GB or 2GB? 2. For the VRAM, is 32MB the max? 3. How can I upgrade my 60GB HDD to 160GB? Any 3.5 IDE HDD will do? Can I do clone my existing HDD to the new HDD without re-installing everything? If yes, how/what software do I use? I'm also thinking of replacing the DVD-ROM with a DVD-RW. Will any DVD-writer do? Appreciate some advice on this. Thanks. Patrick. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newbie! Memory and Video card upgrade for G4 dual 867Mhz PowerPc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Patrick Lee wrote: Hi! I'm TOTALLY new to Mac, so pardon me if I sound clueless! I have a G4 dual 867Mhz with nVidia 32MB AGP display, running Mac OS 10.3.9. I'd like to upgrade to OS 10.5. Therefore, I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM to 2GB, which is the max. 1. What's the memory stick that I can use? 512MBper stick or 1GB or 2GB? 2. For the VRAM, is 32MB the max? 3. How can I upgrade my 60GB HDD to 160GB? Any 3.5 IDE HDD will do? Can I do clone my existing HDD to the new HDD without re-installing everything? If yes, how/what software do I use? I'm also thinking of replacing the DVD-ROM with a DVD-RW. Will any DVD-writer do? Appreciate some advice on this. Thanks. Patrick. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list Im not sure about the RAM, but if it has 4 slots it probably takes 512MB sticks in each. To upgrade the VRAM, you need a new video card. The optical drive is standard, but not all drives have burning support in OSX. Fo those drives that don't there's PatchBurn (google it.) And finally, you will need an external enclosure for moving stuff from the old hard drive ot the new one. Any hard drive will do for the internal. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newbie! Memory and Video card upgrade for G4 dual 867Mhz PowerPc
It is not necessary although might be preferable to have to use an external HD for moving stuff from the old hard drive ot the new one. Your internal HD is probably identified via jumpers as Master. Any IDE HD can be installed as a slave, assuming that the ribbon cable and power supply are available in your machine (they should be). After installing a slave HD, and initializing and reformating HFS+ and as you please (I.E. - with or without partitions), then download CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner) on your Master HD by going to Google and typing Carbon Copy Cloner and then slecting Carbon Copy Cloner Mac. I got 101,000 hits and here is the very first link. Carbon Copy Cloner - HomeExplore Carbon copy cloner · Support · Download · Home Features Support Donate Contact © 2002-2009 Bombich Software, LLC. Carbon Copy Cloner Icon. www.bombich.com/ Download CCC and install as instructed and follow the instructions for copying from the Master HD to the slave HD. After CCC finishes (it might take anywhere from 20 minutes to close to an hour) , you should be able to boot from your slave HD by gooong to Systems Preferences and selecting the slave HD. Good luck. Mel --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Newbie! Memory and Video card upgrade for G4 dual 867Mhz PowerPc To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:14 AM On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Patrick Lee wrote: Hi! I'm TOTALLY new to Mac, so pardon me if I sound clueless! I have a G4 dual 867Mhz with nVidia 32MB AGP display, running Mac OS 10.3.9. I'd like to upgrade to OS 10.5. Therefore, I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM to 2GB, which is the max. 1. What's the memory stick that I can use? 512MBper stick or 1GB or 2GB? 2. For the VRAM, is 32MB the max? 3. How can I upgrade my 60GB HDD to 160GB? Any 3.5 IDE HDD will do? Can I do clone my existing HDD to the new HDD without re-installing everything? If yes, how/what software do I use? I'm also thinking of replacing the DVD-ROM with a DVD-RW. Will any DVD-writer do? Appreciate some advice on this. Thanks. Patrick. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list Im not sure about the RAM, but if it has 4 slots it probably takes 512MB sticks in each. To upgrade the VRAM, you need a new video card. The optical drive is standard, but not all drives have burning support in OSX. Fo those drives that don't there's PatchBurn (google it.) And finally, you will need an external enclosure for moving stuff from the old hard drive ot the new one. Any hard drive will do for the internal. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newbie! Memory and Video card upgrade for G4 dual 867Mhz PowerPc
On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Patrick Lee wrote: Hi! I'm TOTALLY new to Mac, so pardon me if I sound clueless! I have a G4 dual 867Mhz with nVidia 32MB AGP display, running Mac OS 10.3.9. I'd like to upgrade to OS 10.5. Therefore, I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM to 2GB, which is the max. 1. What's the memory stick that I can use? 512MBper stick or 1GB or 2GB? It depends.there were TWO Mac G4's that came with dual 867 KHZ processors: The Quicksilver, which takes PC133 SDAM, and the Mirrored Drive Door which takes PC-2100. ID your model here http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25585? viewlocale=en_US, you cand find out this information in System Profiler. Find your model here http://www.datamemorysystems.com/ it will tell you what memory to get. They also have good prices, and excellent service as well; they're my favored memory dealer. 2. For the VRAM, is 32MB the max? Without replacing the video card, yes. 3. How can I upgrade my 60GB HDD to 160GB? Any 3.5 IDE HDD will do? Can I do clone my existing HDD to the new HDD without re-installing everything? If yes, how/what software do I use? Yes, you can also just add another drive, yes any IDE 3.5 drive will work. The software you want is CarbonCopyCloner http://www.bombich.com I'm also thinking of replacing the DVD-ROM with a DVD-RW. Will any DVD-writer do? It needs to be an IDE tray-loading model, and you may need to apply Patchburn: http://www.patchburn.de/ but yeah, pretty much any DVDRW on up to DVD-DL drives will work with 10.5 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newbie! Memory and Video card upgrade for G4 dual 867Mhz PowerPc
Kasey Smith wrote: On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Patrick Lee wrote: Hi! I'm TOTALLY new to Mac, so pardon me if I sound clueless! I have a G4 dual 867Mhz with nVidia 32MB AGP display, running Mac OS 10.3.9. I'd like to upgrade to OS 10.5. Therefore, I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM to 2GB, which is the max. 1. What's the memory stick that I can use? 512MBper stick or 1GB or 2GB? 2. For the VRAM, is 32MB the max? 3. How can I upgrade my 60GB HDD to 160GB? Any 3.5 IDE HDD will do? Can I do clone my existing HDD to the new HDD without re-installing everything? If yes, how/what software do I use? I'm also thinking of replacing the DVD-ROM with a DVD-RW. Will any DVD-writer do? Im not sure about the RAM, but if it has 4 slots it probably takes 512MB sticks in each. To upgrade the VRAM, you need a new video card. The optical drive is standard, but not all drives have burning support in OSX. Fo those drives that don't there's PatchBurn (google it.) And finally, you will need an external enclosure for moving stuff from the old hard drive ot the new one. Any hard drive will do for the internal. What model of G4 is this? An 1st gen Quicksilvers and earlier can't take a 160Gb drive and use all the space without help. You can just make the old HD a slave drive and connect it to the internal interface along with the new HD. Some earlier video cards had VRAM upgrade ability but all the current crop I've seen don't. And those that did usually had propietary memory modules so availability would be iffy. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Newbie! Memory and Video card upgrade for G4 dual 867Mhz PowerPc
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Patrick Lee wrote: Hi! I'm TOTALLY new to Mac, so pardon me if I sound clueless! I have a G4 dual 867Mhz with nVidia 32MB AGP display, running Mac OS 10.3.9. I'd like to upgrade to OS 10.5. Therefore, I'm thinking of upgrading the RAM to 2GB, which is the max. 1. What's the memory stick that I can use? 512MBper stick or 1GB or 2GB? It depends.there were TWO Mac G4's that came with dual 867 KHZ processors: The Quicksilver, which takes PC133 SDAM, and the Mirrored Drive Door which takes PC-2100. ID your model here http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25585? viewlocale=en_US, you cand find out this information in System Profiler. Keep in mind that if you don't know the history then the video card, CPU, HD and RAM may have been replaced. It's best to identify the model by fixed elements of the computer. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Graphite Video Card Upgrade
Before spending any money, make sure you know where the bottleneck really is. And give more information on what you mean by very slow at displaying screens. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 Graphite Video Card Upgrade
My system now has a stock Rage128 Pro Graphics card which is very slow at displaying screens. What upgrade cards are available AGP and would it significantly accelerate displaying and downloading things on the internet. It's VRAM is only 16mb so I'm assuming it's creating a bootleneck to the entire system. Thanks DKline --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Graphite Video Card Upgrade
DKline wrote: My system now has a stock Rage128 Pro Graphics card which is very slow at displaying screens. What upgrade cards are available AGP and would it significantly accelerate displaying and downloading things on the internet. It's VRAM is only 16mb so I'm assuming it's creating a bootleneck to the entire system. Thanks DKline I've had the same video card in my 400 MHz Giganet G4 since I bought it new in 2001. It supported my 22 Samsung flatscreen out of the box when I upgraded about three years ago. And yes, I can watch full screen DVD movies without problems. I seriously doubt a bottleneck as most internet broadband connections are not really *that* fast. Connection speeds can vary as I've seen cable/DSL slow down to a virtual crawl on machines much faster than mine. Now, a bottleneck would certainly occur with high end video/graphics production no doubt as compared to today's machines but that is not the issue here... JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Graphite Video Card Upgrade
On May 9, 2009, at 9:29 AM, DKline wrote: My system now has a stock Rage128 Pro Graphics card which is very slow at displaying screens. What upgrade cards are available AGP and would it significantly accelerate displaying Yes, a faster card would help some. There are many ATI Radeons-7000, 9000, 9600, 9800 and some NVidia GeForces 2Mx, 4Mx 4Ti and 5200, some of which are hacked from G5s to work in G4s. I am running 2 of the hacked cards in my DAs without problems. There are also a variety of flashed pc cards that work, but some have sleep issues. A faster card will help with all screen display chores, redrawing finder windows, scrolling, displaying multiple windows at one time, etc. It is noticeable if you are looking for it. FWIW, my monitor (an older 21 CRT) will not start up OCCASIONALLY when I start up my Mac with it plugged into a hacked AGP 9600. For these times I also have a 16Mb PCI Rage installed. If I am doing my normal workload (light office tasks with way too many icons on the desktop and windows open), I have to pay attention to realize if I have switched back to the 9600. Where it really shows up is screen redraws (opening/closing windows, switching apps) and almost not noticeable for displaying web pages, typing a letter and small photoshop chores. and downloading things on the internet. It will not help with downloading. That is purely a factor of the speed of your connection. It will help SOME with the rendering of web pages on your screen, but not much. It's VRAM is only 16mb so I'm assuming it's creating a bootleneck to the entire system. Thanks DKline The bottleneck is for displaying info. It will not speed up you connection, but overall things will be snappier. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
