[Audyssey] WII Bowling
Bowling Scores 10-05-2010 By Jim Kitchen Today's average = 173.6 total points in the 5 games = 868 Your bowling average now = 167.55 total points in the 89 games = 14912 Today's low game = 136 Today's high game = 213 All time low game = 124 All time high game = 227 67 wins 21 losses 1 tie 89 total games Jim Mediocrity thrives on standardization. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] WII Bowling
Please, where I can download this bovling? Thank you. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Audyssey Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: [Audyssey] WII Bowling Bowling Scores 10-05-2010 By Jim Kitchen Today's average = 173.6 total points in the 5 games = 868 Your bowling average now = 167.55 total points in the 89 games = 14912 Today's low game = 136 Today's high game = 213 All time low game = 124 All time high game = 227 67 wins 21 losses 1 tie 89 total games Jim Mediocrity thrives on standardization. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Thomas, In searching for panning sound with sfml-audio I found this comment, The default values suck anyway... except if you're using 1 audio-unit per 30 real life meters. So it would make sense in panning that plus 1 is 30 meters to the right and - 1 is 30 meters to the left. Can you use a decimal number so that 0.1 is 3 meters to the right? Phil - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released! Hi Philip, That's a good question. I don't know if OpenAL supports customn DSP effects or not, but I can check. In any case that would only be half the problem here. I'm currently using a cross-platform audio library called sfml-audio which is basically a nice front-end for OpenAL. The SFML developer has added all the necessary code to load wav files, ogg files, and various other file types and then loads them into OpenAL's sound buffers for playback and positioning. Plus has added support for streaming and that sort of thing. In other words it is basically the open source equal to your PB Streemway library minus the sound encryption and it uses OpenAL rather than DirectSound. So if sfml-audio doesn't support custom DSP but OpenAL does then it would be up to me to reinvent the wheel by creating my own Streemway or sfml-audio type front-end to get a simple stereo pan effect. Definitely not a very happy thought seeing as such a project would take a good month to create if not longer. As for justifying a cross-platform engine what can I say? In my opinion the fact that my wife and I have chosen to go Linux but most of my customers still use Windows is justification enough. Its like what would be the point spending months, even years, creating games that would only run on Windows when three out of four computers my wife and I own now all run Linux. The only reason we have kept that one Windows system around is because we own some expensive software that we can still use like Soundforge, Visual Studio Pro, as well as various games that won't run on Linux and still is of personal use to us. As good as Linux is admitedly there are certainly apps you can't find for Linux such as the Halmark software for creating personalized holiday gift cards that my wife likes to use. for that we can justify keeping one Windows system around, but not maintaining three or four computers with Windows software on it. That obviously gets expensive. Especially in light of the fact more and more developers are going the route of Microsoft and licensing software for a single computer. So I have elected to take whatever time and energy is necessary to modify my Genesis Engine, which was written in C++ anyway, to use non-proprietary APIs like SFML so I could build high quality Linux games for myself while still being able to sell to a mostly Windows market. It is buggy right now, but I'm sure I'll eventually get it all working in time. Cheers! On 10/5/10, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Here's a quick thought for you to ponder. Does OpenAl have support for custom dsp? A callback interface or similar for each sound that enables you to add your own dsp effects or filters to the audio in real-time? If so, you could write a pan effect and simply layer it on top of the sound system and you'd get a perfect pan effect just like in DirectSound, without having to modify the libraries in the slightest. The actual panning, as you know, is trivial math; the only concern is whether you can get at the raw audio data as it is being played, and whether you can do so not only staticly but also in real-time in order to make rapid/dynamic changes. XAudio2 supports this, and so this is what I plan to do for Streemway if the XAudio2 3d renderer turns out to be unable to reproduce panning accurately which seems to be the case with OpenAl. I think the idea of a cross platform game engine is great, if you can justify the extra time spent etc. Good luck! Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3178 - Release Date: 10/05/10 02:34:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
[Audyssey] Completely accessible browsergame found!
Hi, I just stumbled upon a relatively new browsergame today when searching the net, Blades of Eternity. The game just came out of the public beta and is now fully operational and running. And the best thing is, it's absolutely completely accessible! No grafics, no maps, no grafical links without labeling, it's just perfect and stricktly text based. It's a fantasy rpg game in which you train a new character to bekome one of the available professions later. Since I just started playing today, I don't know what these professions are, it's not revealed beforehand. But there is much to do in the game and you literally can play for days without pause, because there always is a game action you can do. There are different types of stats for different things. For example, you can do crimes in the game. To do this, you need a stat called brave. When you commit a crime, your brave decreases, but it regenerates over time. And in the meantime, you can do quests for which you need another stat, called willpower. And that's the great thing. Since you don't need the same form of energy for each action, you can different things and let the stat which just decreased fill up again while you do something else. As an added bonus, new players get donaters status for two days when signing up, which has some advantages such as faster regeneration rates. But as far as I can tell, you don't need to donate to play, you just level faster when you donate cause of the regen rates and a few other things. Here is a list of features of the game from the website: a.. 3 unique character paths a.. 4 distinct professions and weapon classes a.. A large database of items, skills, crafts and quests a.. Diverse community features a.. PVP Statistics and Ratings a.. Mini-games a.. Clans and clan wars a.. And much more... The new player intruduction is very well made and gets you straight into playing, and you even get a reward for reading the documentation and the rules. *grins* There is just too much to it to describe it all here, I'd suggest you try it if you are into fantasy rpgs. The full accessibility is the main thing about the game that catched my interest, since most browsergames these days rely on grafical maps or animations or sommething like that. So, this is a really great exeption. *smiles* And here is the link: www.bladeofeternity.com This also could be something for the audiogames and pcsgames databases, so Phil and Dark, please feel free to add it there if you like. Best regards and have fun playing if you try it. Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Completely accessible browsergame found!
tHANKS SARAH, i'VE NOT HEARD of this one, but i'm willing to give it a try, especially if the writing is fairly good and if, as you say, there are always actions and quests to do without a constant focus on batling other players. I'll try it out and let you know my thoughts. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Sarah Haake ti...@gmx.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Completely accessible browsergame found! Hi, I just stumbled upon a relatively new browsergame today when searching the net, Blades of Eternity. The game just came out of the public beta and is now fully operational and running. And the best thing is, it's absolutely completely accessible! No grafics, no maps, no grafical links without labeling, it's just perfect and stricktly text based. It's a fantasy rpg game in which you train a new character to bekome one of the available professions later. Since I just started playing today, I don't know what these professions are, it's not revealed beforehand. But there is much to do in the game and you literally can play for days without pause, because there always is a game action you can do. There are different types of stats for different things. For example, you can do crimes in the game. To do this, you need a stat called brave. When you commit a crime, your brave decreases, but it regenerates over time. And in the meantime, you can do quests for which you need another stat, called willpower. And that's the great thing. Since you don't need the same form of energy for each action, you can different things and let the stat which just decreased fill up again while you do something else. As an added bonus, new players get donaters status for two days when signing up, which has some advantages such as faster regeneration rates. But as far as I can tell, you don't need to donate to play, you just level faster when you donate cause of the regen rates and a few other things. Here is a list of features of the game from the website: a.. 3 unique character paths a.. 4 distinct professions and weapon classes a.. A large database of items, skills, crafts and quests a.. Diverse community features a.. PVP Statistics and Ratings a.. Mini-games a.. Clans and clan wars a.. And much more... The new player intruduction is very well made and gets you straight into playing, and you even get a reward for reading the documentation and the rules. *grins* There is just too much to it to describe it all here, I'd suggest you try it if you are into fantasy rpgs. The full accessibility is the main thing about the game that catched my interest, since most browsergames these days rely on grafical maps or animations or sommething like that. So, this is a really great exeption. *smiles* And here is the link: www.bladeofeternity.com This also could be something for the audiogames and pcsgames databases, so Phil and Dark, please feel free to add it there if you like. Best regards and have fun playing if you try it. Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Thomas, If I am not mistaken, MinGw will accept import libraries from Visual Studio so long as the interface is C style and not C++. The naming conventions only differ for C++ between the two compilers, not C. This means that Streemway should be fine since it exposes a pure C API. But this is getting quite a bit off topic so I will stop here. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: phi...@blastbay.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released! Hi Philip, Exactly my point. If I were only a part time Linux user or an ocational Linux user I wouldn't bother taking the time and energy upgrading the engine to be cross-platform. Obviously I could have saved myself time, effort, and a bunchof added bugs just by sticking with Windows. However, since I use Linux 90% of the time for e-mail, watching movies, listening to music, and all the other things I do I feel it is worth the price to be able to have games on that platform as well. As for what you can do I don't know of anything at this point, but if something comes up I'll let you know. About the only thing I can think of is if worse comes to worse I might ask for a copy of Streemway that works with MinGW so I don't have to depend on using Visual Studio Pro to cross-compile my software. However, we can cross that road when we come to it. On 10/5/10, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Well, let us hope that SFML/OpenAl can provide such a feature and then see. I will be happy to assist in any way I can, should you need it. As for justification, if you are gradualy going over to Linux yourself then I'd say that that's certainly justification enough to spend the extra months porting and testing your engine for that platform. One of the main reasons why I am not going cross platform at this time is because I am a Windows user 100 % and so doing a stable port would require much more time and money than I am willing to spend, especially since audio games aren't very profitable in themselves due to the size of the blind gaming community. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released!
If this is the case, how small can the decimal numbers be? If 0.01 would be 3 meters in distance, what about 0.033 being 1 meter, which is about a yard, 0.0011 being about a foot? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released! Hi Thomas, In searching for panning sound with sfml-audio I found this comment, The default values suck anyway... except if you're using 1 audio-unit per 30 real life meters. So it would make sense in panning that plus 1 is 30 meters to the right and - 1 is 30 meters to the left. Can you use a decimal number so that 0.1 is 3 meters to the right? Phil - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released! Hi Philip, That's a good question. I don't know if OpenAL supports customn DSP effects or not, but I can check. In any case that would only be half the problem here. I'm currently using a cross-platform audio library called sfml-audio which is basically a nice front-end for OpenAL. The SFML developer has added all the necessary code to load wav files, ogg files, and various other file types and then loads them into OpenAL's sound buffers for playback and positioning. Plus has added support for streaming and that sort of thing. In other words it is basically the open source equal to your PB Streemway library minus the sound encryption and it uses OpenAL rather than DirectSound. So if sfml-audio doesn't support custom DSP but OpenAL does then it would be up to me to reinvent the wheel by creating my own Streemway or sfml-audio type front-end to get a simple stereo pan effect. Definitely not a very happy thought seeing as such a project would take a good month to create if not longer. As for justifying a cross-platform engine what can I say? In my opinion the fact that my wife and I have chosen to go Linux but most of my customers still use Windows is justification enough. Its like what would be the point spending months, even years, creating games that would only run on Windows when three out of four computers my wife and I own now all run Linux. The only reason we have kept that one Windows system around is because we own some expensive software that we can still use like Soundforge, Visual Studio Pro, as well as various games that won't run on Linux and still is of personal use to us. As good as Linux is admitedly there are certainly apps you can't find for Linux such as the Halmark software for creating personalized holiday gift cards that my wife likes to use. for that we can justify keeping one Windows system around, but not maintaining three or four computers with Windows software on it. That obviously gets expensive. Especially in light of the fact more and more developers are going the route of Microsoft and licensing software for a single computer. So I have elected to take whatever time and energy is necessary to modify my Genesis Engine, which was written in C++ anyway, to use non-proprietary APIs like SFML so I could build high quality Linux games for myself while still being able to sell to a mostly Windows market. It is buggy right now, but I'm sure I'll eventually get it all working in time. Cheers! On 10/5/10, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Here's a quick thought for you to ponder. Does OpenAl have support for custom dsp? A callback interface or similar for each sound that enables you to add your own dsp effects or filters to the audio in real-time? If so, you could write a pan effect and simply layer it on top of the sound system and you'd get a perfect pan effect just like in DirectSound, without having to modify the libraries in the slightest. The actual panning, as you know, is trivial math; the only concern is whether you can get at the raw audio data as it is being played, and whether you can do so not only staticly but also in real-time in order to make rapid/dynamic changes. XAudio2 supports this, and so this is what I plan to do for Streemway if the XAudio2 3d renderer turns out to be unable to reproduce panning accurately which seems to be the case with OpenAl. I think the idea of a cross platform game engine is great, if you can justify the extra time spent etc. Good luck! Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management
[Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion
Tom: I have been playing the beta using speakers instead of a headset. Now, using a headset, I hear what everyone is talking about as far as where the sound is indicating that monsters, statues, ropes, and other stuff is. They stay right or left, don't move, and then jump to the center with one more step. I'm confused on something. Is this due to our sound cards and speaker configurations being old technology? If so, what do we need and what is the approximate cost of getting it? And, what about our operating systems and processors? I know that I am using old stuff. Windows XP home, a 1.9 gig Pentium 4 processor on a machine that was built in 2002 that still works fine for my needs. I haven't tried the beta on my laptop PC as of yet, and really don't want to, because it is a work related machine. If something messes it up, that would be the pits, and not the fire pits of MOTA, either! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] rpg question
Does anyone know of any fully accessible role playing games for the blind online that have audio? What I mean is a web browsing game. Thanks, I looked on audio game didn't see anything over there. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion
I don't think so. M laptop is only a little over a year old and it's got Vista on it. And I get the same deal. In fact last time I played the warning message for one of the firepits came at least one pace too early so that I died when I made the jump. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: audyssey gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:10 AM Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion Tom: I have been playing the beta using speakers instead of a headset. Now, using a headset, I hear what everyone is talking about as far as where the sound is indicating that monsters, statues, ropes, and other stuff is. They stay right or left, don't move, and then jump to the center with one more step. I'm confused on something. Is this due to our sound cards and speaker configurations being old technology? If so, what do we need and what is the approximate cost of getting it? And, what about our operating systems and processors? I know that I am using old stuff. Windows XP home, a 1.9 gig Pentium 4 processor on a machine that was built in 2002 that still works fine for my needs. I haven't tried the beta on my laptop PC as of yet, and really don't want to, because it is a work related machine. If something messes it up, that would be the pits, and not the fire pits of MOTA, either! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] rpg question
I don't believe so. Nothing with audio yet as far as I'm concerned. If you want audio your best bet is still Entombed. I do recall there was a little discussion of adding audio to Sryth but that didn't come to pass. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] rpg question Does anyone know of any fully accessible role playing games for the blind online that have audio? What I mean is a web browsing game. Thanks, I looked on audio game didn't see anything over there. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] what is wine? RE: MOTA Beta 14 Released!
HI Tom On 06 October 2010 05:40 AM you said: Well, that leaves us with wine. It is possible to get Visual Basic 6 programs to run using Wine, but it is a major undertaking to get working. What does wine stand for? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Phil, Yes, you can pass a floating point number to sfml-audio. I'll try it and see if it makes a difference here. On 10/6/10, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote: Hi Thomas, In searching for panning sound with sfml-audio I found this comment, The default values suck anyway... except if you're using 1 audio-unit per 30 real life meters. So it would make sense in panning that plus 1 is 30 meters to the right and - 1 is 30 meters to the left. Can you use a decimal number so that 0.1 is 3 meters to the right? Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Charles, We will just try and see. I'm pretty sure you could pass 0.001 as a value since all of the SFML parameters are floating point values. Smile. On 10/6/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If this is the case, how small can the decimal numbers be? If 0.01 would be 3 meters in distance, what about 0.033 being 1 meter, which is about a yard, 0.0011 being about a foot? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what is wine? RE: MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Nicol, Wine is a free Windows emulator for Linux. You can use it to emulate games and other Windos appplications. On 10/6/10, NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net wrote: HI Tom On 06 October 2010 05:40 AM you said: Well, that leaves us with wine. It is possible to get Visual Basic 6 programs to run using Wine, but it is a major undertaking to get working. What does wine stand for? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] forgot the windows
HI Shaun and all, It would appear that second window is just a console window. I hadn't noticed it before but that should be easy enough to fix. All I have to do is replace main with WinMain and the little window will disappear. On 10/5/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: hi tom in mota there are 2 windows that come up on my screen. titles are. toom hunter i this is the main window. there is also a window called mistory of the astecs window which does nothing. but I can confirm that there are 2 I had my reader on for part of the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what is wine? RE: MOTA Beta 14 Released!
it's worth saying though that it will only work with things that are self voicing, as there isn't a way to run a screen reader. you can, however, run things that use sapi. what does it use for a sapi voice anyway. does it interface with speech dispatcher or something? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what is wine? RE: MOTA Beta 14 Released! Hi Nicol, Wine is a free Windows emulator for Linux. You can use it to emulate games and other Windos appplications. On 10/6/10, NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net wrote: HI Tom On 06 October 2010 05:40 AM you said: Well, that leaves us with wine. It is possible to get Visual Basic 6 programs to run using Wine, but it is a major undertaking to get working. What does wine stand for? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released!
They don't for me either. There is no sound change and the sound doesn't move in terms of volume and positioning -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 05 October 2010 17:14 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released! Hi Shaun, Ok, what do you mean the sounds don't pan? On my system I fixed the panning problem before beta 14 was officially released and everything pans correctly on my laptop. So I need a further explanation of what you exactly mean by sounds aren't panning. Are you saying everything is static, like in the center, rather than being panned left/right of you? On 10/5/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: good game tom. enemies are good, but you never know you are in range of an enemy until its in front of you, its fine to shoot but because the sounds don't pan swinging at them is a bit hard. also if you walk and try to say pick up things you need to stop before you do that. objects don't pan so its harder to know when to pick things up. the game still crashes on exit. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota and sounds and windows
Hi Shaun, Ok? I just listened to the recoding and it sounds fine. I don't get what the big deal is here. Everything sounds alright to me. So maybe you arent' use to the way OpenAL positions sounds I guess. On 10/5/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. tom, I just did a recording for the game. The sounds do pan but not like they used to, vary slightly, I think I can get used to it but view does help a lot. Some games there are not to many weapons or amo packs though though the monsters are distributed evenly now. I will be shoving my recording up to the list soon. the link for when its up will be http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/mota.mp3 it will be up in about 10-15 minutes. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Ben, Actually, it probably does but the volume and positioning is so slight you don't hear it very well. I've tested it several times and I think while different most people expect it to sound exactly like beta 13 which ain't going to happen. On 10/6/10, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: They don't for me either. There is no sound change and the sound doesn't move in terms of volume and positioning --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what is wine? RE: MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Peter, No. If you want Sapi support for Wine you have to download Sapi 5.1 and install it manually into Wine. Since wine isn't exactly speech friendly you'll need sighted assistance installing Sapi support. Honestly running Windows XP through VMPlayer is a better solution in my opinion than Wine. On 10/6/10, peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: it's worth saying though that it will only work with things that are self voicing, as there isn't a way to run a screen reader. you can, however, run things that use sapi. what does it use for a sapi voice anyway. does it interface with speech dispatcher or something? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion
hi Charles, I don't think so. I just listened to Shaun's MOTA recording and it sounds just fine to me. I think the problem is I'm use to the way OpenAL positions sounds, so it doesn't sound weird to me, but for you guys hearing it fir the first time it comes as a bit of a shock. I'm going to try a couple of Phil's suggestions, but honestly I don't know that it will sound exactly the same as DirectX. So before we begin discussing new hardware and that sort of thing let's tinker some more with the beta and see what's what. It may be you guys will just have to accept the way sounds are positioned and live with the way it is. I don't plan to go back to DirectX for any amount of money so let's try and make do with what we have. On 10/6/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Tom: I have been playing the beta using speakers instead of a headset. Now, using a headset, I hear what everyone is talking about as far as where the sound is indicating that monsters, statues, ropes, and other stuff is. They stay right or left, don't move, and then jump to the center with one more step. I'm confused on something. Is this due to our sound cards and speaker configurations being old technology? If so, what do we need and what is the approximate cost of getting it? And, what about our operating systems and processors? I know that I am using old stuff. Windows XP home, a 1.9 gig Pentium 4 processor on a machine that was built in 2002 that still works fine for my needs. I haven't tried the beta on my laptop PC as of yet, and really don't want to, because it is a work related machine. If something messes it up, that would be the pits, and not the fire pits of MOTA, either! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what is wine? RE: MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Tom Do you know what the letters w, I,n, and e stands for? Is the word wine an abbreviation? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what is wine? RE: MOTA Beta 14 Released! Hi Nicol, Wine is a free Windows emulator for Linux. You can use it to emulate games and other Windos appplications. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion
As you say, it does sound weird, and it is probably because we're used to hearing the sounds change to reflect our movement through the game. If the sounds don't move as we have gotten used to, how can we accurately judge whether we're within range for our weapons to take effect? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion hi Charles, I don't think so. I just listened to Shaun's MOTA recording and it sounds just fine to me. I think the problem is I'm use to the way OpenAL positions sounds, so it doesn't sound weird to me, but for you guys hearing it fir the first time it comes as a bit of a shock. I'm going to try a couple of Phil's suggestions, but honestly I don't know that it will sound exactly the same as DirectX. So before we begin discussing new hardware and that sort of thing let's tinker some more with the beta and see what's what. It may be you guys will just have to accept the way sounds are positioned and live with the way it is. I don't plan to go back to DirectX for any amount of money so let's try and make do with what we have. On 10/6/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Tom: I have been playing the beta using speakers instead of a headset. Now, using a headset, I hear what everyone is talking about as far as where the sound is indicating that monsters, statues, ropes, and other stuff is. They stay right or left, don't move, and then jump to the center with one more step. I'm confused on something. Is this due to our sound cards and speaker configurations being old technology? If so, what do we need and what is the approximate cost of getting it? And, what about our operating systems and processors? I know that I am using old stuff. Windows XP home, a 1.9 gig Pentium 4 processor on a machine that was built in 2002 that still works fine for my needs. I haven't tried the beta on my laptop PC as of yet, and really don't want to, because it is a work related machine. If something messes it up, that would be the pits, and not the fire pits of MOTA, either! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] what is wine? RE: MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Nicol, Sigh...No, Wine is not an abbreviation. It is just the name of the program. Now, could you please get back on topic here? Thanks. On 10/6/10, NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net wrote: Hi Tom Do you know what the letters w, I,n, and e stands for? Is the word wine an abbreviation? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion
Hi Charles, Well, for the most part all of the guns can fire a long distance so you don't necessarily have to judge distance with those. The only close range weapons you have to worry about are fists, swords, the dagger, and so on. If a skeleton is trying to stab you with a sword/dagger then it is pretty safe to say you are in equal striking distance too. One thing I can do is set the roll-off for the volume to get louder when close up and more distant when far away which would work just as well. Maybe I can't render a clean stereo pan but possible we can get around this by tinkering with volume. What do you think? On 10/6/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As you say, it does sound weird, and it is probably because we're used to hearing the sounds change to reflect our movement through the game. If the sounds don't move as we have gotten used to, how can we accurately judge whether we're within range for our weapons to take effect? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion
I think there's only one way to find out. Give it a try. (grin) --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion Hi Charles, Well, for the most part all of the guns can fire a long distance so you don't necessarily have to judge distance with those. The only close range weapons you have to worry about are fists, swords, the dagger, and so on. If a skeleton is trying to stab you with a sword/dagger then it is pretty safe to say you are in equal striking distance too. One thing I can do is set the roll-off for the volume to get louder when close up and more distant when far away which would work just as well. Maybe I can't render a clean stereo pan but possible we can get around this by tinkering with volume. What do you think? On 10/6/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: As you say, it does sound weird, and it is probably because we're used to hearing the sounds change to reflect our movement through the game. If the sounds don't move as we have gotten used to, how can we accurately judge whether we're within range for our weapons to take effect? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mota bEta 14
Hi Sky, Well, to answer that question I need a little more detail. For example, if an enemy is out of range and you throw a punch or kick you will hear a swoosh, but the fist/kick wont hit the enemy. Is that what is happening here? Also could you try and make your messages more clear? I'm sorry but reading something like sometise I will p;unch a traget makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Trying to at least proofread and make your message readable goes a long way to getting your point or problem accross to the intended party. Cheers! On 10/5/10, Sky Taylor s...@shaw.ca wrote: Hello list, I am having a problem with Mota beta 14. if I try to use the fist to punch tne enemy, sometimes the fists do not work, while other times it works. is this a bug? for example I went into room 1. I saw a Skeleton, and I tried to punch him with my fist. it did not work, and he attacked me. sometise I will p;unch a traget but it will attack and will not give me a chance to hit. why is that? the only weapons I can use is the pistle and the ones I collect, but I am wasteing bullets as I need to kill the targets awefone. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions
Hi Lori, Hmmm...we seem to be thinking exactly opposite here. As I recall Thomas once saying, it really is not realistic to say that your health is at, say, 95%. Also, could you please explain what you mean by the shift key making it easier to control Angela? jJust curious Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:23 PM To: Lori Duncan; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions I like the current system I am used to it. At 02:53 a.m. 6/10/2010, you wrote: Hi Tom, this is just a small suggestion, but I personally feel the health stats should be change, by that I mean set them back to numbers like 100% rather than good, poor etc. Also I think running should be set to the shift key. I feel it makes controling Angela easier. Many thanks from Lori. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions Hi Shaun, Unfortunately, that error message isn't very helpful. Although, I am suspecting some threads aren't getting terminated properly. I'll take another look at the exit code and see if I can perhaps find out what is causing the crash. On 10/5/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I managed to get someone to read me the message I got when the game crashed. there is supposed to be a dump, and there is supposed to be some error log but nothing as yet. The error is a critical stop error. here is the info I got from the error message stop: 0x008e (0xc005,0xbf008459,0x9d63197c,0x) dxg.sys /address bf008459 base at bf00, date stamp 48025323 this happens when I try to exit the game. right now I can't play it properly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions
Hi, INw I've tried it I feel it has come time for my opinions. I like the volume increase of the sounds, and something definitely sounds better with the wav sounds. Although, the echo is...a bit strange. Also I noticed the panning issue, it is very disorienting to have something stay at the right, then jump to the center. Also I did notice the enter key problem, and how sometimes the arrow won't take. Not bad, Thomas, but for those little bugs. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:23 PM To: Lori Duncan; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions I like the current system I am used to it. At 02:53 a.m. 6/10/2010, you wrote: Hi Tom, this is just a small suggestion, but I personally feel the health stats should be change, by that I mean set them back to numbers like 100% rather than good, poor etc. Also I think running should be set to the shift key. I feel it makes controling Angela easier. Many thanks from Lori. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions Hi Shaun, Unfortunately, that error message isn't very helpful. Although, I am suspecting some threads aren't getting terminated properly. I'll take another look at the exit code and see if I can perhaps find out what is causing the crash. On 10/5/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I managed to get someone to read me the message I got when the game crashed. there is supposed to be a dump, and there is supposed to be some error log but nothing as yet. The error is a critical stop error. here is the info I got from the error message stop: 0x008e (0xc005,0xbf008459,0x9d63197c,0x) dxg.sys /address bf008459 base at bf00, date stamp 48025323 this happens when I try to exit the game. right now I can't play it properly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion
Hi, My main concern is the obstacles. It will be impossible to tell how far away we are away from the obstccle without the view command. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion As you say, it does sound weird, and it is probably because we're used to hearing the sounds change to reflect our movement through the game. If the sounds don't move as we have gotten used to, how can we accurately judge whether we're within range for our weapons to take effect? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 14 confusion hi Charles, I don't think so. I just listened to Shaun's MOTA recording and it sounds just fine to me. I think the problem is I'm use to the way OpenAL positions sounds, so it doesn't sound weird to me, but for you guys hearing it fir the first time it comes as a bit of a shock. I'm going to try a couple of Phil's suggestions, but honestly I don't know that it will sound exactly the same as DirectX. So before we begin discussing new hardware and that sort of thing let's tinker some more with the beta and see what's what. It may be you guys will just have to accept the way sounds are positioned and live with the way it is. I don't plan to go back to DirectX for any amount of money so let's try and make do with what we have. On 10/6/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Tom: I have been playing the beta using speakers instead of a headset. Now, using a headset, I hear what everyone is talking about as far as where the sound is indicating that monsters, statues, ropes, and other stuff is. They stay right or left, don't move, and then jump to the center with one more step. I'm confused on something. Is this due to our sound cards and speaker configurations being old technology? If so, what do we need and what is the approximate cost of getting it? And, what about our operating systems and processors? I know that I am using old stuff. Windows XP home, a 1.9 gig Pentium 4 processor on a machine that was built in 2002 that still works fine for my needs. I haven't tried the beta on my laptop PC as of yet, and really don't want to, because it is a work related machine. If something messes it up, that would be the pits, and not the fire pits of MOTA, either! --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Completely accessible browsergame found!
Hi Sarah, Thanks for pisting that,I'm always looking for a good browser game. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Haake Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 7:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Completely accessible browsergame found! Hi, I just stumbled upon a relatively new browsergame today when searching the net, Blades of Eternity. The game just came out of the public beta and is now fully operational and running. And the best thing is, it's absolutely completely accessible! No grafics, no maps, no grafical links without labeling, it's just perfect and stricktly text based. It's a fantasy rpg game in which you train a new character to bekome one of the available professions later. Since I just started playing today, I don't know what these professions are, it's not revealed beforehand. But there is much to do in the game and you literally can play for days without pause, because there always is a game action you can do. There are different types of stats for different things. For example, you can do crimes in the game. To do this, you need a stat called brave. When you commit a crime, your brave decreases, but it regenerates over time. And in the meantime, you can do quests for which you need another stat, called willpower. And that's the great thing. Since you don't need the same form of energy for each action, you can different things and let the stat which just decreased fill up again while you do something else. As an added bonus, new players get donaters status for two days when signing up, which has some advantages such as faster regeneration rates. But as far as I can tell, you don't need to donate to play, you just level faster when you donate cause of the regen rates and a few other things. Here is a list of features of the game from the website: a.. 3 unique character paths a.. 4 distinct professions and weapon classes a.. A large database of items, skills, crafts and quests a.. Diverse community features a.. PVP Statistics and Ratings a.. Mini-games a.. Clans and clan wars a.. And much more... The new player intruduction is very well made and gets you straight into playing, and you even get a reward for reading the documentation and the rules. *grins* There is just too much to it to describe it all here, I'd suggest you try it if you are into fantasy rpgs. The full accessibility is the main thing about the game that catched my interest, since most browsergames these days rely on grafical maps or animations or sommething like that. So, this is a really great exeption. *smiles* And here is the link: www.bladeofeternity.com This also could be something for the audiogames and pcsgames databases, so Phil and Dark, please feel free to add it there if you like. Best regards and have fun playing if you try it. Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Shaun, Well...if we haven't mastered the card/puzzle/board games by now, we never will. Grin Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 11:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released! true. in which case I wander if there are any 2 d libs, we are behind in our games but we are progressing slowly but surely. Its not all even either. for instance though we are only just doing side scrolers we have small scale multiplayer support, and we have mastered the puzzle/card/board game types. we also have some almost up with the play 3d titles fps's and a couple basic sims to some degree. The only advantages with sighted games are the large multiplayer systems and tourniments. loads of graphics and a few other things but for what we need we have it all. At 04:54 p.m. 6/10/2010, you wrote: Hi, I don't know about that. I'm sure there are privately developed side-scrollers at places like the retro remakes websites, but in the whole the mainstream game industry has seamed to focus on games that require 3d rendering of sound effects. You have to remember back when side-scrollers were really popular were in the late 80's and early 90's with games like Castlevania, Megaman, Double Dragon, Prince of Persia, and that sort of thing. For the mainstream game industry it is kind of like been there and done that. We haven't been around that long and are just beginning to explore the side-scroller format a good 20 years after the mainstream industry did all their major titles. Cheers! On 10/5/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I can get used to the audio, though we will need some sort of beep to tell us when a monster is in range like in gtc or sod. I know this is not realistic but since no one wants to use pan anymore thats about all we will need. I guess no one does side scrolers anymore. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota and sounds and windows
Hi Shaun, Just curious but why exactly did you post a link for the self-distruct keygen? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:42 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] mota and sounds and windows Hi. tom, I just did a recording for the game. The sounds do pan but not like they used to, vary slightly, I think I can get used to it but view does help a lot. Some games there are not to many weapons or amo packs though though the monsters are distributed evenly now. I will be shoving my recording up to the list soon. the link for when its up will be http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/mota.mp3 it will be up in about 10-15 minutes. on that note I am posting my entire links for everything i have just in case anyone wants them. if not I am planning to clean out the folder tomorrow. shades of doom with fists http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/sod%20with%20fists.mp3 shades of doom playthrough http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/sod120playthrough.mp3 self destruct keygen http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/sfkeygen.exe science invasion tutorial http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/science%20invasion%20tutorial.zip night of parasite http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/nop31.exe if people want those so be it. its not a major issue but I do clear it out every so often. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions
Hi Thomas, Which crash are you talking about? I recently had a problem where my computer was shut down and restarted upon exit, though I don't know if this is simply a computer issue or something relatedto MOTA itself. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:00 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions Hi, Umm...No offense but aren't we getting a bit petty now? The menu system has been that way, well, since the very beginning and no one really has any serious complaints about it. Believe me there are far more pressing bugs like the crash on exit that concern me more than if the main menu lands on the new game option as soon as you open that menu. Besides that would require a huge amount of work rewriting the menu system for a feature that isn't all that necessary in the grand scheme of things. Same goes for adding an option to select alternative keyboard asignments.I don't mind having options to enable/disable joysticks, turn ambience on/off, and other settings that configure the engine itself, but I have no plans, nor ever will, adds custom settings on a per game basis. That would require me to upgrade the engine just to add a setting that I may or may not ever use again in another game. That's why the settings I do have apply to every game built with the engine rather than any specific game. On 10/5/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: so do I. I did notice when the game starts that the menu is not on anything till I push a key it probably should be on new or whatever is at the top. also you could always put in prefs to have shift right run or not and have the switch if you can do it that way and then those that want can select an option, etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] rpg question
You're out of luck there. Sorry. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:15 AM Subject: [Audyssey] rpg question Does anyone know of any fully accessible role playing games for the blind online that have audio? What I mean is a web browsing game. Thanks, I looked on audio game didn't see anything over there. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Hi everyone, Ok, I've basically just spent the better part of today as well as last night looking into a solution for the panning issues for Mysteries of the Ancients, and I'm sorry to say so far I'm not coming up with any viable options or solutions to the problem. As it happpens it is not just OpenAL that doesn't handle stereo panning well, but most of the other audio mixing libraries I have tried don't do it either. At least not the same way it worked in DirectSound. Let me explain the problem further so we are all on the same page. As I mentioned earlier on list OpenAL was mainly designed for games using a 3d audio environment. Therefore sounds are to be renderd using its 3d renderer. This, however, doesn't translate well into a 2d game like MOTA because there is no 2d stereo pan control as such for me to use. Despite a lot of good end user suggestions, e-mailing people, I haven't found any realistic way to make OpenAL pan sounds the way DirectSound does. Everyone I've asked pretty much told me to do it the way I'm already doing it, but the pan effect, as you all know, sounds nothing like the way it did in DirectSound. With that in mind I decided to give SDL, the Simple Direct Media Layer, another try. As it happens SDL Mixer has a stereo pan control, but it doesn't render sounds the same way as DirectSound does. In DirectSound you can set the position of the sound to the far left or the far right and anywhere inbetween by giving it a value between -1 and 1. With SDL Mixer a sound is either left, right, or center with nothing in between. SDL Mixer allows you to control the volume for each speaker individually, but you can't really position the sound in that speaker. So obviously SDL Mixer really isn't a solution here either. In terms of cross-platform audio libraries that leaves us with FMOD by Firelight Technologies. As some of you might remenber we tried this already in a previous beta, perhaps beta 11 or beta 12, and while FMOD does support panning it doesn't exactly sound like DirectSound either. However, based on my personal experience FMOD is probably the closest we can get to DirectSounds pan control. However, FMOD is a commercial library and costs a fortune to license. A single license for one platform is bad enough, but trying to license it for Windows, Linux, and maybe eventually Mac is completely out of my price range. We are talking thousands of dollars for a single game. So that pretty much makes FMOD beyond a realistic solution here. Some might say that going back to DirectSound is probably the best solution, but that too is problematic. First of all by developing games using DirectSound that would rule out any possability of creating games for Mac and Linux. For some of us, who aren't Windows users, this option is unacceptable. Second, even for Windows users using DirectSound is less than a perfect solution in the long run. As I mentioned before DirectSound hasn't been updated for ages, is now deprecated by Microsoft, and is scheduled for removal from the DirectSound API. It only comes with Windows 7 for backwards compatibility with older games, but who knows how long that backwards compatibility will last. Using DirectSound is probably fine for now, but what about down the road when XAudio2 eventually replaces DirectSound on future Windows operating systems? Actually, as of Windows 7 XAudio2 is now the recommended and prefered audio mixer for game developers. The only problem is it doesn't have a stereo pan option either. Like everything else you have to position sounds through its 3d renderer. There may be a way to create a custom pan option, but the way to do it is mostly hypathetical at this point. I'd hate to spend days and even weeks working on trying to research and create my own stereo pan control for XAudio2 when I'm not even sure it will work, or that I can even get the desired results by spending the time and effort. So bottom line we have a fairly big choice to make. We can either return to DirectSound for the short term, worry about finding a new replacement for DirectSound later, or we can just go ahead and cut our losses and go with OpenAL or something else to begin with. I agree that panning sounds with OpenAL isn't quite the same, but I think it is acceptable considering the fact that there really aren't any clear cut alternatives. Plus since I'm mainly thinking about creating 3d first-person games anyway, rather than lots of side-scrollers, the problem we are talking about mainly applies to this single game. Other games like Raceway and STFC won't have this issue. So I'm personally in favor of just accepting OpenAL, such as it is, and moving on to other issues. However, as some of you have paid for this game I'd like to hear your thoughts. I'm not really certain what I should do, and I'm frankly tired of hearing about complaints over the audio panning issue. I can't fix it without going back to DirectX, and that is only ashort term solution anyway. So I really
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Hi Tom. Personally I'm willing just to stick with what we have and move ahead. Afterall, isn't the eventual goal to catch up to mainstream gaming? If we use old hardware that is no longer officially recognize, seems that can't happen, and of course, there are the cross-platform issues as well. But I was wondering if you could have a quick view comand to let you know how far something was? The v key is helpful, but a command like what Shades of Dom or say treasure Hunt has where you can hit a key and gage the distance in a certain direction between yu and an object would be helpful in resolving the problem. Just my two-sense. I like the v key except for the fact that it has to list everythingg that's currently visible. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 7:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues Hi everyone, Ok, I've basically just spent the better part of today as well as last night looking into a solution for the panning issues for Mysteries of the Ancients, and I'm sorry to say so far I'm not coming up with any viable options or solutions to the problem. As it happpens it is not just OpenAL that doesn't handle stereo panning well, but most of the other audio mixing libraries I have tried don't do it either. At least not the same way it worked in DirectSound. Let me explain the problem further so we are all on the same page. As I mentioned earlier on list OpenAL was mainly designed for games using a 3d audio environment. Therefore sounds are to be renderd using its 3d renderer. This, however, doesn't translate well into a 2d game like MOTA because there is no 2d stereo pan control as such for me to use. Despite a lot of good end user suggestions, e-mailing people, I haven't found any realistic way to make OpenAL pan sounds the way DirectSound does. Everyone I've asked pretty much told me to do it the way I'm already doing it, but the pan effect, as you all know, sounds nothing like the way it did in DirectSound. With that in mind I decided to give SDL, the Simple Direct Media Layer, another try. As it happens SDL Mixer has a stereo pan control, but it doesn't render sounds the same way as DirectSound does. In DirectSound you can set the position of the sound to the far left or the far right and anywhere inbetween by giving it a value between -1 and 1. With SDL Mixer a sound is either left, right, or center with nothing in between. SDL Mixer allows you to control the volume for each speaker individually, but you can't really position the sound in that speaker. So obviously SDL Mixer really isn't a solution here either. In terms of cross-platform audio libraries that leaves us with FMOD by Firelight Technologies. As some of you might remenber we tried this already in a previous beta, perhaps beta 11 or beta 12, and while FMOD does support panning it doesn't exactly sound like DirectSound either. However, based on my personal experience FMOD is probably the closest we can get to DirectSounds pan control. However, FMOD is a commercial library and costs a fortune to license. A single license for one platform is bad enough, but trying to license it for Windows, Linux, and maybe eventually Mac is completely out of my price range. We are talking thousands of dollars for a single game. So that pretty much makes FMOD beyond a realistic solution here. Some might say that going back to DirectSound is probably the best solution, but that too is problematic. First of all by developing games using DirectSound that would rule out any possability of creating games for Mac and Linux. For some of us, who aren't Windows users, this option is unacceptable. Second, even for Windows users using DirectSound is less than a perfect solution in the long run. As I mentioned before DirectSound hasn't been updated for ages, is now deprecated by Microsoft, and is scheduled for removal from the DirectSound API. It only comes with Windows 7 for backwards compatibility with older games, but who knows how long that backwards compatibility will last. Using DirectSound is probably fine for now, but what about down the road when XAudio2 eventually replaces DirectSound on future Windows operating systems? Actually, as of Windows 7 XAudio2 is now the recommended and prefered audio mixer for game developers. The only problem is it doesn't have a stereo pan option either. Like everything else you have to position sounds through its 3d renderer. There may be a way to create a custom pan option, but the way to do it is mostly hypathetical at this point. I'd hate to spend days and even weeks working on trying to research and create my own stereo pan control for XAudio2 when I'm not even sure it will work, or that I can even get the desired results by spending the time and effort. So bottom line we have a fairly big choice to make. We can either return to DirectSound for the short term, worry about
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions
Hi Hayden, Well, as for the keyboard input issue you are talking about I got an answer back from the developer on that. Appparently rather than using sf::Window::Event class for handling keyboard input using sf::Window::Input instead will give me a more DirectInput style keyboard input system for Mac, Linux, and Windows games. So I'm in the process of upgrading that now. As for the extra echo when Angela speaks I've already attended to that issue. I edited those files and now the echo isn't quite as bad. Now the echo sounds more normal. Normal as being in an empty tomb or something with a little echo, but not as much as beta 14. As for the panning issue see my post on the subject. I don't see any real solution to the problem, and to fix the problem that would mean going back to DirectX and basing my engine on old deprecated Windows libraries which only serves us in the short term. Long term, though, DirectSound is a thing of the past and we are going to have to accept that. Cheers! On 10/6/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, INw I've tried it I feel it has come time for my opinions. I like the volume increase of the sounds, and something definitely sounds better with the wav sounds. Although, the echo is...a bit strange. Also I noticed the panning issue, it is very disorienting to have something stay at the right, then jump to the center. Also I did notice the enter key problem, and how sometimes the arrow won't take. Not bad, Thomas, but for those little bugs. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions
Hi Hayden, The crash I'm talking about is exactly that. Some people are experiencing a problem when MOTA exits it crashes the entire system or forces it to shutdown. I'm currently investigating the issue and hope to fix it asap. On 10/6/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Which crash are you talking about? I recently had a problem where my computer was shut down and restarted upon exit, though I don't know if this is simply a computer issue or something relatedto MOTA itself. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Let's move forward and stick with what we have. I'm sure you want to get this finished and I personally want the full game so I can play all the levels smiles. I'm not having too much trouble right now with this version. There's no point delaying it even further over this issue. Mike -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:30 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues Hi everyone, Ok, I've basically just spent the better part of today as well as last night looking into a solution for the panning issues for Mysteries of the Ancients, and I'm sorry to say so far I'm not coming up with any viable options or solutions to the problem. As it happpens it is not just OpenAL that doesn't handle stereo panning well, but most of the other audio mixing libraries I have tried don't do it either. At least not the same way it worked in DirectSound. Let me explain the problem further so we are all on the same page. As I mentioned earlier on list OpenAL was mainly designed for games using a 3d audio environment. Therefore sounds are to be renderd using its 3d renderer. This, however, doesn't translate well into a 2d game like MOTA because there is no 2d stereo pan control as such for me to use. Despite a lot of good end user suggestions, e-mailing people, I haven't found any realistic way to make OpenAL pan sounds the way DirectSound does. Everyone I've asked pretty much told me to do it the way I'm already doing it, but the pan effect, as you all know, sounds nothing like the way it did in DirectSound. With that in mind I decided to give SDL, the Simple Direct Media Layer, another try. As it happens SDL Mixer has a stereo pan control, but it doesn't render sounds the same way as DirectSound does. In DirectSound you can set the position of the sound to the far left or the far right and anywhere inbetween by giving it a value between -1 and 1. With SDL Mixer a sound is either left, right, or center with nothing in between. SDL Mixer allows you to control the volume for each speaker individually, but you can't really position the sound in that speaker. So obviously SDL Mixer really isn't a solution here either. In terms of cross-platform audio libraries that leaves us with FMOD by Firelight Technologies. As some of you might remenber we tried this already in a previous beta, perhaps beta 11 or beta 12, and while FMOD does support panning it doesn't exactly sound like DirectSound either. However, based on my personal experience FMOD is probably the closest we can get to DirectSounds pan control. However, FMOD is a commercial library and costs a fortune to license. A single license for one platform is bad enough, but trying to license it for Windows, Linux, and maybe eventually Mac is completely out of my price range. We are talking thousands of dollars for a single game. So that pretty much makes FMOD beyond a realistic solution here. Some might say that going back to DirectSound is probably the best solution, but that too is problematic. First of all by developing games using DirectSound that would rule out any possability of creating games for Mac and Linux. For some of us, who aren't Windows users, this option is unacceptable. Second, even for Windows users using DirectSound is less than a perfect solution in the long run. As I mentioned before DirectSound hasn't been updated for ages, is now deprecated by Microsoft, and is scheduled for removal from the DirectSound API. It only comes with Windows 7 for backwards compatibility with older games, but who knows how long that backwards compatibility will last. Using DirectSound is probably fine for now, but what about down the road when XAudio2 eventually replaces DirectSound on future Windows operating systems? Actually, as of Windows 7 XAudio2 is now the recommended and prefered audio mixer for game developers. The only problem is it doesn't have a stereo pan option either. Like everything else you have to position sounds through its 3d renderer. There may be a way to create a custom pan option, but the way to do it is mostly hypathetical at this point. I'd hate to spend days and even weeks working on trying to research and create my own stereo pan control for XAudio2 when I'm not even sure it will work, or that I can even get the desired results by spending the time and effort. So bottom line we have a fairly big choice to make. We can either return to DirectSound for the short term, worry about finding a new replacement for DirectSound later, or we can just go ahead and cut our losses and go with OpenAL or something else to begin with. I agree that panning sounds with OpenAL isn't quite the same, but I think it is acceptable considering the fact that there really aren't any clear cut alternatives. Plus since I'm mainly thinking about creating 3d first-person games anyway, rather than lots of side-scrollers, the problem we are talking about mainly applies to this single game. Other
Re: [Audyssey] rpg question
Hi Michael, Not any I personally know of. Generally the RPG games online that have sound are also very graphical and therefore absolutely inaccessible to a screen reader. Anything text based that is accessible like Sryth is just a simple text based game with no sounds or graphics. On 10/6/10, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Does anyone know of any fully accessible role playing games for the blind online that have audio? What I mean is a web browsing game. Thanks, I looked on audio game didn't see anything over there. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Hi Mike, That's exactly my opinion as well. As my step mother always says, its time to roll with the change. Besides there are plenty of things I can be working on updating, fixing, and this panning situation is just one of several. It just happens it seams like this single issue has gotten more attention than all the other bugs combind. I'd like to fix the ones I can, and just get on with adding the rest of the levels. Smile. On 10/6/10, Mike Reiser blindgu...@gmail.com wrote: Let's move forward and stick with what we have. I'm sure you want to get this finished and I personally want the full game so I can play all the levels smiles. I'm not having too much trouble right now with this version. There's no point delaying it even further over this issue. Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Hi, I think that is a very reasonable solution to the problem. Having a key like m to speak the nearest monster or o to announce the nearest object would be very easy to add and very reasonable. Consider it done. Smile. On 10/6/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom. Personally I'm willing just to stick with what we have and move ahead. Afterall, isn't the eventual goal to catch up to mainstream gaming? If we use old hardware that is no longer officially recognize, seems that can't happen, and of course, there are the cross-platform issues as well. But I was wondering if you could have a quick view comand to let you know how far something was? The v key is helpful, but a command like what Shades of Dom or say treasure Hunt has where you can hit a key and gage the distance in a certain direction between yu and an object would be helpful in resolving the problem. Just my two-sense. I like the v key except for the fact that it has to list everythingg that's currently visible. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 Released!
Hi Hayden, That's definitely true. Unfortunately, the majority of said card/puzzle/board games are for Windows. Grr I'm tempted to spend some time after MOTA just to create a few simple card/puzzle/board games for Linux since so few exist. Other than RS Games client there really aren't any accessible Monopoly, Uno, Solitaire, etc games that VI gamers can play. It would be nice to have a few of those for rainy days. Fortunately, they are fairly easy to create. On 10/6/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Shaun, Well...if we haven't mastered the card/puzzle/board games by now, we never will. Grin Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
and could you also increase the number of amo in you're weapons? There are times where I am using up a lot of them do to the fact that I have to shoot the monsters and it is very difficult to get amo on the level I am on. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues Hi, I think that is a very reasonable solution to the problem. Having a key like m to speak the nearest monster or o to announce the nearest object would be very easy to add and very reasonable. Consider it done. Smile. On 10/6/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom. Personally I'm willing just to stick with what we have and move ahead. Afterall, isn't the eventual goal to catch up to mainstream gaming? If we use old hardware that is no longer officially recognize, seems that can't happen, and of course, there are the cross-platform issues as well. But I was wondering if you could have a quick view comand to let you know how far something was? The v key is helpful, but a command like what Shades of Dom or say treasure Hunt has where you can hit a key and gage the distance in a certain direction between yu and an object would be helpful in resolving the problem. Just my two-sense. I like the v key except for the fact that it has to list everythingg that's currently visible. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Glad I was able to have some input. But I'm wondering... would it be possible to have the keeys gage at different distances instead of hitting o and say waiting for it to list every object in the vascinaty of the camera, so to speak... since there is no camera in this game. Like, say if you had a door to your left in 5 meters, a statue in front of you, and a door off to the right, I don't know, say another five meters, with a lever three meters to your right between you and the door. Could you have key combinations like hold it down with a modifier to have it describe the object from a certain distance away or in a certain direction? I just find having to wait for it to fnish listing things kind of interrupts the pace for me. This isn't something I'm going to go on and on about. lol. Justa suggestion. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues Hi, I think that is a very reasonable solution to the problem. Having a key like m to speak the nearest monster or o to announce the nearest object would be very easy to add and very reasonable. Consider it done. Smile. On 10/6/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom. Personally I'm willing just to stick with what we have and move ahead. Afterall, isn't the eventual goal to catch up to mainstream gaming? If we use old hardware that is no longer officially recognize, seems that can't happen, and of course, there are the cross-platform issues as well. But I was wondering if you could have a quick view comand to let you know how far something was? The v key is helpful, but a command like what Shades of Dom or say treasure Hunt has where you can hit a key and gage the distance in a certain direction between yu and an object would be helpful in resolving the problem. Just my two-sense. I like the v key except for the fact that it has to list everythingg that's currently visible. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Hi, I suppose that would be possible. I'd have to give it some thought. my plate is already pretty full for beta 15 and that would definitely require quite a bit of extra work. However, I'll drop it in the suggestions list to get too when and if I can get to it. Smile. On 10/7/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Glad I was able to have some input. But I'm wondering... would it be possible to have the keeys gage at different distances instead of hitting o and say waiting for it to list every object in the vascinaty of the camera, so to speak... since there is no camera in this game. Like, say if you had a door to your left in 5 meters, a statue in front of you, and a door off to the right, I don't know, say another five meters, with a lever three meters to your right between you and the door. Could you have key combinations like hold it down with a modifier to have it describe the object from a certain distance away or in a certain direction? I just find having to wait for it to fnish listing things kind of interrupts the pace for me. This isn't something I'm going to go on and on about. lol. Justa suggestion. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Well, the sugestion box is a good place for this one. I knew it would be more work. But I hope it can be done... because I like Mota when the pace is moving smothly at a fast pace. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Hi Sky, Not really if we want to keep the game remotely realistic. For example, a Glock 19, which Angela's pistol was based off of, has a 15 round clip. That's why it only starts with 15 rounds in her gun when you start the game. Other weapons like the Uzi are realistic as well. Depending on the particular model some Uzis cary 20, 30, or 40 rounds. In this case I decided to pick a military grade model which caries 40 rounds. It so happens I am using the same exact model of Uzi that Lara Croft uses in the early Tomb Raider games. So I don't really know of a realistic way to give you more rounds. I could give you multiple ammo packs which would give you more ammo, but then again that might make it too easy. Part of the way the game is has a lot to do with my own enjoyment of challenging games. I don't like games that are too easy or you can beat in 20 minutes and it is over justlike that. I like building in some extra challenges. Cheers! On 10/7/10, Sky Taylor s...@shaw.ca wrote: and could you also increase the number of amo in you're weapons? There are times where I am using up a lot of them do to the fact that I have to shoot the monsters and it is very difficult to get amo on the level I am on. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota and sounds and windows
because some people did not seem to have it, though they should have. At 02:37 p.m. 7/10/2010, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Just curious but why exactly did you post a link for the self-distruct keygen? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:42 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] mota and sounds and windows Hi. tom, I just did a recording for the game. The sounds do pan but not like they used to, vary slightly, I think I can get used to it but view does help a lot. Some games there are not to many weapons or amo packs though though the monsters are distributed evenly now. I will be shoving my recording up to the list soon. the link for when its up will be http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/mota.mp3 it will be up in about 10-15 minutes. on that note I am posting my entire links for everything i have just in case anyone wants them. if not I am planning to clean out the folder tomorrow. shades of doom with fists http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/sod%20with%20fists.mp3 shades of doom playthrough http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/sod120playthrough.mp3 self destruct keygen http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/sfkeygen.exe science invasion tutorial http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/science%20invasion%20tutorial.zip night of parasite http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/nop31.exe if people want those so be it. its not a major issue but I do clear it out every so often. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
this all depends if you are gona develop more side scrolers. if so then I guess open al will have to do. if not then I'd have no issue with you going back to direct sound then just not making any more side scrolers. scrolers are cool but 3dfps is what I really like along with sim games. At 04:30 p.m. 7/10/2010, you wrote: Hi everyone, Ok, I've basically just spent the better part of today as well as last night looking into a solution for the panning issues for Mysteries of the Ancients, and I'm sorry to say so far I'm not coming up with any viable options or solutions to the problem. As it happpens it is not just OpenAL that doesn't handle stereo panning well, but most of the other audio mixing libraries I have tried don't do it either. At least not the same way it worked in DirectSound. Let me explain the problem further so we are all on the same page. As I mentioned earlier on list OpenAL was mainly designed for games using a 3d audio environment. Therefore sounds are to be renderd using its 3d renderer. This, however, doesn't translate well into a 2d game like MOTA because there is no 2d stereo pan control as such for me to use. Despite a lot of good end user suggestions, e-mailing people, I haven't found any realistic way to make OpenAL pan sounds the way DirectSound does. Everyone I've asked pretty much told me to do it the way I'm already doing it, but the pan effect, as you all know, sounds nothing like the way it did in DirectSound. With that in mind I decided to give SDL, the Simple Direct Media Layer, another try. As it happens SDL Mixer has a stereo pan control, but it doesn't render sounds the same way as DirectSound does. In DirectSound you can set the position of the sound to the far left or the far right and anywhere inbetween by giving it a value between -1 and 1. With SDL Mixer a sound is either left, right, or center with nothing in between. SDL Mixer allows you to control the volume for each speaker individually, but you can't really position the sound in that speaker. So obviously SDL Mixer really isn't a solution here either. In terms of cross-platform audio libraries that leaves us with FMOD by Firelight Technologies. As some of you might remenber we tried this already in a previous beta, perhaps beta 11 or beta 12, and while FMOD does support panning it doesn't exactly sound like DirectSound either. However, based on my personal experience FMOD is probably the closest we can get to DirectSounds pan control. However, FMOD is a commercial library and costs a fortune to license. A single license for one platform is bad enough, but trying to license it for Windows, Linux, and maybe eventually Mac is completely out of my price range. We are talking thousands of dollars for a single game. So that pretty much makes FMOD beyond a realistic solution here. Some might say that going back to DirectSound is probably the best solution, but that too is problematic. First of all by developing games using DirectSound that would rule out any possability of creating games for Mac and Linux. For some of us, who aren't Windows users, this option is unacceptable. Second, even for Windows users using DirectSound is less than a perfect solution in the long run. As I mentioned before DirectSound hasn't been updated for ages, is now deprecated by Microsoft, and is scheduled for removal from the DirectSound API. It only comes with Windows 7 for backwards compatibility with older games, but who knows how long that backwards compatibility will last. Using DirectSound is probably fine for now, but what about down the road when XAudio2 eventually replaces DirectSound on future Windows operating systems? Actually, as of Windows 7 XAudio2 is now the recommended and prefered audio mixer for game developers. The only problem is it doesn't have a stereo pan option either. Like everything else you have to position sounds through its 3d renderer. There may be a way to create a custom pan option, but the way to do it is mostly hypathetical at this point. I'd hate to spend days and even weeks working on trying to research and create my own stereo pan control for XAudio2 when I'm not even sure it will work, or that I can even get the desired results by spending the time and effort. So bottom line we have a fairly big choice to make. We can either return to DirectSound for the short term, worry about finding a new replacement for DirectSound later, or we can just go ahead and cut our losses and go with OpenAL or something else to begin with. I agree that panning sounds with OpenAL isn't quite the same, but I think it is acceptable considering the fact that there really aren't any clear cut alternatives. Plus since I'm mainly thinking about creating 3d first-person games anyway, rather than lots of side-scrollers, the problem we are talking about mainly applies to this single game. Other games like Raceway and STFC won't have this issue. So I'm personally in favor of just accepting OpenAL, such as it is, and
[Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Hi Thomas, My opinions on this issue should be obvious, given my Linux usage. Nevertheless, I want to go on record as saying that OpenAL will work just fine for me. Sound playing issues aside, I have no quibble with the panning, or lack thereof. Let's go forward instead of stagnating here. Best, Zack. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Beta 14 for Linux: Initial impressions
well its good you have fixed the imput issue. on that note is there such a thing as a 3d side scroler? It looks like the only way to fix the panning issue is to quit the 2d system entirely. A side scroler really needs some panning, or something to sound 2d. I am not sure how a 3d side scroler would sound but. on that note I still get a shock when I am between the pits and or spikes the 3d feel makes me feel like they are all coming at me so this part is quite cool At 04:43 p.m. 7/10/2010, you wrote: Hi Hayden, Well, as for the keyboard input issue you are talking about I got an answer back from the developer on that. Appparently rather than using sf::Window::Event class for handling keyboard input using sf::Window::Input instead will give me a more DirectInput style keyboard input system for Mac, Linux, and Windows games. So I'm in the process of upgrading that now. As for the extra echo when Angela speaks I've already attended to that issue. I edited those files and now the echo isn't quite as bad. Now the echo sounds more normal. Normal as being in an empty tomb or something with a little echo, but not as much as beta 14. As for the panning issue see my post on the subject. I don't see any real solution to the problem, and to fix the problem that would mean going back to DirectX and basing my engine on old deprecated Windows libraries which only serves us in the short term. Long term, though, DirectSound is a thing of the past and we are going to have to accept that. Cheers! On 10/6/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, INw I've tried it I feel it has come time for my opinions. I like the volume increase of the sounds, and something definitely sounds better with the wav sounds. Although, the echo is...a bit strange. Also I noticed the panning issue, it is very disorienting to have something stay at the right, then jump to the center. Also I did notice the enter key problem, and how sometimes the arrow won't take. Not bad, Thomas, but for those little bugs. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
Hi Shaun, I believe that you're a bit confused here. OpenAL will make 3D FPS-style games easier to write. DirectSound might make side scrollers easier to write, but it also is being phased out by Microsoft, so in the long term using it is mpractical. I just wanted to clear that up, in case there was confusion. My opinions on this are already posted. OpenAL is a way forward. Best, Zack. shaun everiss writes: this all depends if you are gona develop more side scrolers. if so then I guess open al will have to do. if not then I'd have no issue with you going back to direct sound then just not making any more side scrolers. scrolers are cool but 3dfps is what I really like along with sim games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Panning Issues
it will work, or that I can even get the desired results by spending the time and effort. So bottom line we have a fairly big choice to make. We can either return to DirectSound for the short term, worry about finding a new replacement for DirectSound later, or we can just go ahead and cut our losses and go with OpenAL or something else to begin with. I agree that panning sounds with OpenAL isn't quite the same, but I think it is acceptable considering the fact that there really aren't any clear cut alternatives. Plus since I'm mainly thinking about creating 3d first-person games anyway, rather than lots of side-scrollers, the problem we are talking about mainly applies to this single game. Other games like Raceway and STFC won't have this issue. So I'm personally in favor of just accepting OpenAL, such as it is, and moving on to other issues. However, as some of you have paid for this game I'd like to hear your thoughts. I'm not really certain what I should do, and I'm frankly tired of hearing about complaints over the audio panning issue. I can't fix it without going back to DirectX, and that is only ashort term solution anyway. So I really do need some advice what to do here. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5510 (20101006) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5510 (20101006) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
