Re: [Audyssey] game objects in memory
Hi Cara, Got it. I apologize if I was a bit short with you a bit earlier. It is just the fact I've written and rewritten this engine code so many times I'm ready to scream. One of those cases wereI feel like I can't do anything write, and the worst part of it is I'm both college educated and have a programming degree. I shouldn't have this much grief over something like this. Although, to be fair to myself some of it wasn't my personal fault. For example, when I was looking at going cross-platform Travis highly recommended SFML for Linux, Mac, and Windows. So I checked out the API. On the surface it seamed exactly like what I needed, and abandoned my plans to use SDL 1.2.13 and went with SFML 1.6 instead. Next thing I know the game is causing massive crashes all over the place, and many users reported the almighty blue screen of death. Initially I thought it was something I did, my own mistakes, etc and so ran it through the Visual Studio debuggers. Much to my surprise after I did a step by step debug it comes up with an error found in sfml-window.dll. So I go and report it to the developer of the project ask him if they know about this bug and what could be done to resolve it etc. Basically, the guy knew about it, and doesn't kno how to fix the bug at this time. His recommendation, upgrade your Windows vidio drivers. This immediately became a tech support nightmare, and the reason I'm pulling SFML 1.6 completely out of beta 17 and going with my original plan of using SDL 1.2.13. At least it is stable and has no vidio driver problems I'm aware of. So at this point I've got the cross-platform engine ripped apart and I'm now in the process of redesigning all the low level subsystems like the window manager, input, audio, networking support, etc. What a bite in the butt! On the bright side I have rewritten the window subsystem and have basic keyboard support back in place with SDL and so far so good. I'm probably going to work on joystick and mouse support tomorrow and the window and input subsystems will be ready to go. As for audio I'm still not sure where to go with that. I'd like to use OpenAL, but I feel as though I'll have to rite some bit of middleware like a library that wraps OpenAL and can load ogg, mp3, wma files, etc which will be a very time consuming project. In the mean time FMOD would give me that and more which would at least get the engine up and running again for beta 17. So the basic point of what I was saying here is I've already got a long development cycle ahead with low level stuff. If there was a need to change more things to do proper collision detection now would be the time to do it, but I don't want to add more time to the development cycle than absolutely necessary. Smile. On 12/12/10, Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: Hi thomas; Just one last note for the evening. when I switched your z to y, it was for clarity's sake for the email. I'd assumed you would adapt the new code with your current orientation as I'd made other changes as you'd asked. The formulae are right but I was using x and y to show what I was doing in a standard way. -Only for clarity in my note. :) So sorry I obviously didn't make that clear enough. There's no reason, even in a worst case scenario that you should ever need to rewrite that much code for changes like these. I'll need to check back in with DX, but last I checked, you could essentially flip your world around any way you wanted it simply by changing two coordinates. -And, as I'd just mentioned, even if you change back y to z as I thought you would, the other changes I made will give you proper calculations. -but at the end of the day, if your engine is already essentially doing what you need then why change it at all? -this was, afterall, just a lil' experiment, yes? -I'm sure not asking you to change your style. :) I'm just personally working in one of the paradigms we were chatting about and having success with it. -But this is your baby after all. -If I can make suggestions that help, then great! If not, then don't use them. Yes? :) Anyway, Talk witcha on the 'morrow and have a terrific night!… Smiles, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] False Alarm! - Okay enough from me! lol! Re: game objects in memory
Snow? I love snow! Especially snowball fights! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] False Alarm! - Okay enough from me! lol! Re: game objects in memory Hi Cara, Ahem...I was going to say the formula simply wouldn't work if you didn't get the angle the player was actually heading in. Granted I'm not a wizard at trig, but I know enough to know you have to get the angle/direction the object is traveling in order to calculate its trajectory. Well, anyway, go enjoy some sunshine and sand. As for me I'm looking at possibly 16 inches of snow before Tuesday. So before too long instead of making sand angels on the beach I'll be making snowmen, snow people if you like that better, in the cold freezing snow. Cheers! On 12/11/10, Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: Okay nobody listen to me! lol! -Guess I'm just too antsy to get out and enjoy awesome beach weather! woohoo! Just reread a second time and don't know what the I was thinking! direction is supposed to be there! Ack! -Just going to go lay in the sand now and not bother anyone! lol! L8rs ya'll, and apologies for any confusion! CQ out :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] False Alarm! - Okay enough from me! lol! Re: game objects in memory
Yay! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: 12 December 2010 10:42 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] False Alarm! - Okay enough from me! lol! Re: game objects in memory Snow? I love snow! Especially snowball fights! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] False Alarm! - Okay enough from me! lol! Re: game objects in memory Hi Cara, Ahem...I was going to say the formula simply wouldn't work if you didn't get the angle the player was actually heading in. Granted I'm not a wizard at trig, but I know enough to know you have to get the angle/direction the object is traveling in order to calculate its trajectory. Well, anyway, go enjoy some sunshine and sand. As for me I'm looking at possibly 16 inches of snow before Tuesday. So before too long instead of making sand angels on the beach I'll be making snowmen, snow people if you like that better, in the cold freezing snow. Cheers! On 12/11/10, Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: Okay nobody listen to me! lol! -Guess I'm just too antsy to get out and enjoy awesome beach weather! woohoo! Just reread a second time and don't know what the I was thinking! direction is supposed to be there! Ack! -Just going to go lay in the sand now and not bother anyone! lol! L8rs ya'll, and apologies for any confusion! CQ out :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
I am with you there. I've been doing this whole gaming thing (with a keyboard) since I was about... well... 10 or so, then realized the potential of ps consoles, with when I was about 12. Then my life changed. Now I'm streetfightering (is that even a word or am I just neologising?) m king, tekkening, and wooping my dad's ass in every way under the sun! its so much fun, especially using the mouse, but the ps3 controller itself (if anyone wants drivers and instructions to make this possible) can be used with around 6 of our games already, making it possible to get a more mainstream feel, with top speed 2 expecially! Give it some thought people. Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 12 December 2010 03:07 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Clement, Oh, I know. Isn't it amazing how resistant this comunity is to new ideas/concepts? I mean on one hand developers have been hearing this common thread that more VI gamers want to play mainstream games or games similar to the mainstream. They want something right up their with the latest titles for XBox, Play Station, and PC. However, the second they try to do so by adding a device like the mouse into the mix to add some of the features of mainstream games we come up against this rock solid resistance that says in effect, we want to use the keyboard and just make the mouse or joystick optional. Sorry, to tell those people sometimes that is simply not realistic. The keyboard is very limited in what it can do, and the reason we are seeing advanced conttrollers like the Wii-Motes, for example, is because they are not only more natural they allow you to do so much more than a keyboard could ever do on a good day. So the question is do these people really and truly want games equal to the mainstream games or do they want to sit back and play games like Uno, Monopoly, and BopIt the rest of their lives? These people need to realise if they want mainstream games then they are going to have to change and adapt to the way sighted people do things. At least to some degree. Their resistance to joysticks, mice, etc is only holding them back from experiencing new concepts and ideas that will improve their gaming experience not hinder it. Obviously, if I couldn't use a mouse in games I wouldn't bother supporting one, but that isn't the case at all. Cheers! On 12/11/10, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Tom for saying what's been on my mind for the last little while. Why complain about something that is obviously only going to help us grow as a gaming community? Half the mainstream games for PC these days are based around mouse control, anyway.. including fps games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] TDV problem still unresolved
By the way... its 3-d velocity (might be three in letters actually) -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Chad Fenton Sent: 12 December 2010 02:27 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] TDV problem still unresolved I've installed the latest patch for Terminal Velocity in the hopes of resolving the issue of starting the final battle at the end of the game. I saved the game immediately after I'd resumed from my last save before the patch was installed. When loading my saved game, I was at the point before destroying the final radar station. Upon its destruction, the cut scene with the boss played, but at its conclusion when regular gameplay resumed, there was no additional target to go after besides a couple remaining guard towers around 80 miles or more away, and I wasn't being attacked by another aircraft, as the cut scene would seem to imply. If there's something else I need to do before the battle initiates, I'm at a loss as to what. My plane is at 62,000 feet, so I should be able to see any targets available. Any assistance is appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Exactly! You rereleased jq? Have not got that one. Whats the mouse for now -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: 12 December 2010 01:56 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Thomas; I whole-heartedly agree! -Not only has mouse support been the first input method I've set up for the current Draco projects, but when developing Jedi Quake, I'd incorporated improved accessible mouse support to the latest couple of JQ releases to not only help people break out of the keyboard-only blind access thing but also just because I personally really like smooth, graceful motion. Using a keyboard to control a realtime simulation is just so herky-jerky and coarse. If people can just stop fearing the mouse and learn to work with it, it can be a really comfortable and fast way to game. Incidentally, this is exactly the same sort of complaining and arguing people were getting into, a couple of years ago when many were fighting the idea of the iPhone / touch screens on phones both for access and gaming alike. Like the touch screen, at least for the visually impaired market, the mouse is still essentially almost an untapped resource. I.E. It will just take some creative coders to incorporate it nicely into game designs so that VI people realize that it's cool and viable and everything will change, just like it has / is doing, with the iDevices and touch screens in general. We're only limited by our own imaginations! :) If we can conceive it it can happen! So if we want new / innovative gaming / VR experiences, then we need to bring new and innovative mindsets to them. the experiences will then be new and innovative!. :) Have a great evening / weekend All and chat witcha on the flip!. Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list,
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi, I also love the mouse as a gaming device. For example, if it allows you to turn by moving the mouse around, sometimes it just can be hours faster than with the keyboard. Kevin - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:07:56 - Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys
But it still comes up with the make payments with pay pal button, and I don't want to pay again... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 11 December 2010 19:46 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Why not just send in the product ID as usual? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys RIGHT. I'LL REORDER AGAIN. WILL I HAVE TO PAY? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: 28 November 2010 14:43 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys They are just tricking you. If Liam stopped sending out keys, he'd let the list know. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Hi Wiliam, That's a myth. I don't know where that got started but Liam's still doing keys. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 4:44 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys if no keys are beeing out then the game should be freeware then On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Ben wrote: I heard from several people including arron.aaron who is a good friend of mine. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be
Re: [Audyssey] Kringle Crash Score
Trouble is I send these via my inbox, not keeping track of threads. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Hayden Presley Sent: 11 December 2010 19:18 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Kringle Crash Score Hi Ben, Um...these threads are way old? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:39 PM To: 'Philip Bennefall'; 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Kringle Crash Score BRILLIANT IDEA! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Philip Bennefall Sent: 17 November 2010 04:09 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Kringle Crash Score Ah, Tom, you either need practise or an even more ruthless elf-smashing fist, that's evident. Grin. My highest score is 53, so beat that! If you get over 40, by the way, you'll stumble upon some extra material; not sure if you've seen that as of yet. On a slightly more serious note, what are your thoughts on score posting? Do we want it for this game as well as Q9 and Palace Punch-up? Recently I have greatly improved my PHP/MySQL skills so writing a nice score posting script would take me a matter of one or two hours. And I have recently integrated http get and post requests into BGT, so firing it up client side will be a snap as well. Opinions? Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:52 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Kringle Crash Score Hi everyone, Okay, it is getting to be that time of year again so I decided to fire up a game of Kringle Crash. Oh, did Santa give those elves a nice butt kicking. Yes, he gave those green skinned, pointed eared, brats a real whooping they won't soon forget. At least until the next game. Ha ha ha, or is that ho ho ho? Score Santa: 36 gifts saved Elves: 19 gifts destroyed So take that you nasty, green skinned, pointed eared, brats! Not bad for a refresher game eh? Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys
Why not send it by email? To support, or sales? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 6:47 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys But it still comes up with the make payments with pay pal button, and I don't want to pay again... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 11 December 2010 19:46 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Why not just send in the product ID as usual? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys RIGHT. I'LL REORDER AGAIN. WILL I HAVE TO PAY? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: 28 November 2010 14:43 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys They are just tricking you. If Liam stopped sending out keys, he'd let the list know. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Hi Wiliam, That's a myth. I don't know where that got started but Liam's still doing keys. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 4:44 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys if no keys are beeing out then the game should be freeware then On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Ben wrote: I heard from several people including arron.aaron who is a good friend of mine. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers
Re: [Audyssey] please someone help with tdv
Just delete your mission.tdv file in the bpc programs/tdv directy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: 17 November 2010 01:02 To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] please someone help with tdv hey i know i have ask this today but i can't find the answer to the question. my question was i would like to start a new game so how can i do this? i am on race eight in the mission mode but i want to start all over from the begining. i have read the instruction but no were does it tell you this. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game.
Hi list. I am wondering if I could please get some help running the towers of war strategy game? I am running windows 7 64 bit, and basically can't get it to run. When I press enter on the executable, or right click and select run as administrator, nothing at all happens, I don't get any gui, or even any error messages. I tried installing jim kitchens winkit as the author says that will install the required vb 6 runtime libraries, but it still won't run. Any help would be very much appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys
Ok I'll send it to support I think... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: 12 December 2010 12:50 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Why not send it by email? To support, or sales? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 6:47 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys But it still comes up with the make payments with pay pal button, and I don't want to pay again... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 11 December 2010 19:46 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Why not just send in the product ID as usual? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys RIGHT. I'LL REORDER AGAIN. WILL I HAVE TO PAY? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: 28 November 2010 14:43 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys They are just tricking you. If Liam stopped sending out keys, he'd let the list know. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Hi Wiliam, That's a myth. I don't know where that got started but Liam's still doing keys. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 4:44 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys if no keys are beeing out then the game should be freeware then On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Ben wrote: I heard from several people including arron.aaron who is a good friend of mine. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game.
Are you sure it isn't running but being pushed to the background for some reason? Also, if your computer lags when starting up the game you might not hear the initial welcome message so try pressing Tab since that will begin cycling through menus if the game actually is running. I'm on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine at the moment and it started up fine for me after I told it to run as admin (didn't even need jim kitchen's files, nice). --- On Sun, 12/12/10, alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com wrote: From: alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com Subject: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game. To: gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 8:23 AM Hi list. I am wondering if I could please get some help running the towers of war strategy game? I am running windows 7 64 bit, and basically can't get it to run. When I press enter on the executable, or right click and select run as administrator, nothing at all happens, I don't get any gui, or even any error messages. I tried installing jim kitchens winkit as the author says that will install the required vb 6 runtime libraries, but it still won't run. Any help would be very much appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game.
No it is not running. I can guarantee that -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Kaldobsky Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:13 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game. Are you sure it isn't running but being pushed to the background for some reason? Also, if your computer lags when starting up the game you might not hear the initial welcome message so try pressing Tab since that will begin cycling through menus if the game actually is running. I'm on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine at the moment and it started up fine for me after I told it to run as admin (didn't even need jim kitchen's files, nice). --- On Sun, 12/12/10, alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com wrote: From: alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com Subject: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game. To: gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 8:23 AM Hi list. I am wondering if I could please get some help running the towers of war strategy game? I am running windows 7 64 bit, and basically can't get it to run. When I press enter on the executable, or right click and select run as administrator, nothing at all happens, I don't get any gui, or even any error messages. I tried installing jim kitchens winkit as the author says that will install the required vb 6 runtime libraries, but it still won't run. Any help would be very much appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game objects in memory
Hi Cara and all. Thanks for the discussion. Reading all this was very informative and helpfull. An observation I might make is that if you work only in radians, multiplying and dividing with the constant (pi/180) becomes redundent. This will save some small calculation and simplify the code. If you really want to see the normal degree form of the angle you could just use standard functions to convert it back for displaying. On 12/12/10, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara, Got it. I apologize if I was a bit short with you a bit earlier. It is just the fact I've written and rewritten this engine code so many times I'm ready to scream. One of those cases wereI feel like I can't do anything write, and the worst part of it is I'm both college educated and have a programming degree. I shouldn't have this much grief over something like this. Although, to be fair to myself some of it wasn't my personal fault. For example, when I was looking at going cross-platform Travis highly recommended SFML for Linux, Mac, and Windows. So I checked out the API. On the surface it seamed exactly like what I needed, and abandoned my plans to use SDL 1.2.13 and went with SFML 1.6 instead. Next thing I know the game is causing massive crashes all over the place, and many users reported the almighty blue screen of death. Initially I thought it was something I did, my own mistakes, etc and so ran it through the Visual Studio debuggers. Much to my surprise after I did a step by step debug it comes up with an error found in sfml-window.dll. So I go and report it to the developer of the project ask him if they know about this bug and what could be done to resolve it etc. Basically, the guy knew about it, and doesn't kno how to fix the bug at this time. His recommendation, upgrade your Windows vidio drivers. This immediately became a tech support nightmare, and the reason I'm pulling SFML 1.6 completely out of beta 17 and going with my original plan of using SDL 1.2.13. At least it is stable and has no vidio driver problems I'm aware of. So at this point I've got the cross-platform engine ripped apart and I'm now in the process of redesigning all the low level subsystems like the window manager, input, audio, networking support, etc. What a bite in the butt! On the bright side I have rewritten the window subsystem and have basic keyboard support back in place with SDL and so far so good. I'm probably going to work on joystick and mouse support tomorrow and the window and input subsystems will be ready to go. As for audio I'm still not sure where to go with that. I'd like to use OpenAL, but I feel as though I'll have to rite some bit of middleware like a library that wraps OpenAL and can load ogg, mp3, wma files, etc which will be a very time consuming project. In the mean time FMOD would give me that and more which would at least get the engine up and running again for beta 17. So the basic point of what I was saying here is I've already got a long development cycle ahead with low level stuff. If there was a need to change more things to do proper collision detection now would be the time to do it, but I don't want to add more time to the development cycle than absolutely necessary. Smile. On 12/12/10, Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: Hi thomas; Just one last note for the evening. when I switched your z to y, it was for clarity's sake for the email. I'd assumed you would adapt the new code with your current orientation as I'd made other changes as you'd asked. The formulae are right but I was using x and y to show what I was doing in a standard way. -Only for clarity in my note. :) So sorry I obviously didn't make that clear enough. There's no reason, even in a worst case scenario that you should ever need to rewrite that much code for changes like these. I'll need to check back in with DX, but last I checked, you could essentially flip your world around any way you wanted it simply by changing two coordinates. -And, as I'd just mentioned, even if you change back y to z as I thought you would, the other changes I made will give you proper calculations. -but at the end of the day, if your engine is already essentially doing what you need then why change it at all? -this was, afterall, just a lil' experiment, yes? -I'm sure not asking you to change your style. :) I'm just personally working in one of the paradigms we were chatting about and having success with it. -But this is your baby after all. -If I can make suggestions that help, then great! If not, then don't use them. Yes? :) Anyway, Talk witcha on the 'morrow and have a terrific night!… Smiles, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys
No, I mean just Email Liam the product ID with a replacement request. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys But it still comes up with the make payments with pay pal button, and I don't want to pay again... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 11 December 2010 19:46 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Why not just send in the product ID as usual? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys RIGHT. I'LL REORDER AGAIN. WILL I HAVE TO PAY? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: 28 November 2010 14:43 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys They are just tricking you. If Liam stopped sending out keys, he'd let the list know. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Hi Wiliam, That's a myth. I don't know where that got started but Liam's still doing keys. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 4:44 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys if no keys are beeing out then the game should be freeware then On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Ben wrote: I heard from several people including arron.aaron who is a good friend of mine. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you
Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys
Exactly what I just said. LOL. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Liam Erven liamer...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Why not send it by email? To support, or sales? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 6:47 AM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys But it still comes up with the make payments with pay pal button, and I don't want to pay again... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 11 December 2010 19:46 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Why not just send in the product ID as usual? We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys RIGHT. I'LL REORDER AGAIN. WILL I HAVE TO PAY? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: 28 November 2010 14:43 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys They are just tricking you. If Liam stopped sending out keys, he'd let the list know. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys Hi Wiliam, That's a myth. I don't know where that got started but Liam's still doing keys. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 4:44 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Judgement Day keys if no keys are beeing out then the game should be freeware then On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Ben wrote: I heard from several people including arron.aaron who is a good friend of mine. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
well I like the mouse myself. At 12:51 a.m. 13/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, I also love the mouse as a gaming device. For example, if it allows you to turn by moving the mouse around, sometimes it just can be hours faster than with the keyboard. Kevin - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:07:56 - Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] TDV problem still unresolved
Hi, Lol! Terminal Velocity? What in the world? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:24 AM To: cwfen...@comcast.net; 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] TDV problem still unresolved By the way... its 3-d velocity (might be three in letters actually) -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Chad Fenton Sent: 12 December 2010 02:27 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] TDV problem still unresolved I've installed the latest patch for Terminal Velocity in the hopes of resolving the issue of starting the final battle at the end of the game. I saved the game immediately after I'd resumed from my last save before the patch was installed. When loading my saved game, I was at the point before destroying the final radar station. Upon its destruction, the cut scene with the boss played, but at its conclusion when regular gameplay resumed, there was no additional target to go after besides a couple remaining guard towers around 80 miles or more away, and I wasn't being attacked by another aircraft, as the cut scene would seem to imply. If there's something else I need to do before the battle initiates, I'm at a loss as to what. My plane is at 62,000 feet, so I should be able to see any targets available. Any assistance is appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:08 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Jedi have been known to use hand-to-hand combat... Obi-Wan gives Jango Fett a pretty good run for his money with no lightsaber. At 12:11 PM 12/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:08 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi, Hmmm...this is true. Though I wasn't exactly talking about a bounty hunterhere either... Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 2:31 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Jedi have been known to use hand-to-hand combat... Obi-Wan gives Jango Fett a pretty good run for his money with no lightsaber. At 12:11 PM 12/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:08 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There is no way to move a light saber around the screen quickly and more naturally than with a mouse or joystick. With a mouse you can swing the saber left, right, up, or down spin it in a circle, or invent some other complex fighting moves just by pretending the mouse under your fingers is a light saber. It allows for complex moves you simply can not immitate using keys like alt+left, alt+right, alt+up, alt+down, etc. This is a fact the mainstream PC gaming market have known for years, and some accessible game developers are just now beginning to figure out that a mouse is and can be essential for complex game play. Why fight what is obviously an improvement? Cheers! On 12/11/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mouse, no! I think a keyboard would be fine. Lets say, keyboard and mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi Hayden, On the contrary several of the Jedi Knight games feature hand to hand combat as well as light sabers, blasters, and the usual weaponry you would expect. In fact at the beginning of Jedi Knight I Kyle isn't even armed at the beginning of the game. You get your first weapon by grabbing the blaster from behind the bar, and then picking off the Rodian with the blastech pistol in the ceiling fan. Of course, you might have to use some hand to hand combat, smack a few heads in the Cantina, before getting that first blaster. Other times it comes in handy are the areas that are underwater were a blaster or light saber won't work. As for Jedi Knight Mysteries of the Sith I don't ever recall having a real need for fists, but the feature was most certainly available. It always just seamed I could use force powers to get what needed to be done without resorting to lesser means like beating up the enemy. I could usually force blind or stun the enemy and make a quick escape instead of sticking around fighting hand to hand with them. That especially holds true for the area with the prison block level where Mara is disarmed and locked in a jail cell below Ka'pa the Hut's palice. Once you escape the jail cell you have one big ugly rancor to fight and like Luke's encounter with the rancor she isn't armed when she does it. Best tactic there is to blind it, distract it, or whatever you can with the force and make good your escape and find Mara's saber elsewhere in the palice. If you want to settle the score with the rancor you can always go back and finish the job, but using fists definitely isn't going to work there. Lol! On 12/12/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi Muhammed, That feature already is built in by default. It was added to the game engine a long time ago, and are you forgetting it is now a core feature of the engine? Anyway, even if hand to hand combat wasn't a part of the engine I'd add it just because it was a feature of Mysteries of the Sith. I'm planning doing my best to recreate the original game as best as I can. Although, there will be some changes such as better sounds, maybe a slight change in force powers, different keyboard layout, and other modifications, but esssentually it will be the same. On 12/12/10, Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com wrote: Your right. But would you implement a feature that which will allow Mara to use her fists? Maybe I could launch some cool attacks with the mouse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Cross-Platform Game Programming Book
Hi Tom Sounds like an interesting book. Is the book available as an e-book like .pdf or .html? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 11 December 2010 01:08 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Cross-Platform Game Programming Book Hi all, I found this book on Amazon and ordered it. This is aimed for a C++ developer Interested in developing cross-platform games for Windows, Mac, Linux, Play Station, XBox, etc and looks like a pretty good introduction on avoiding pitfalls in cross-platform game production. So far I just browsed through the first chapter and I've encountered most of the pitfalls he has mentioned first-hand. Yes, make no mistake about it trying to design a game that will run on multiple platforms is tough, but this guy seams to know how to cut right through the minutia and get down to brass tacks. Here is the Description of the book. Cross-Platform Game Programming (Game Development) by Steven Goodwin Product Description With many of today's games being released simultaneously on all platforms, the need for a good cross-platform development strategy is essential. Cross-Platform Game Programming covers this rarely discussed area and provides the techniques needed to develop your games effectively. It explains the plethora of problems that exist within every cross-platform game, and gives you the understanding and ability needed to solve them. It also teaches you how to write code that behaves identically on all machines. In addition, the book explains why standard libraries are not standard enough, and covers the nuances between compilers, debuggers, and operating systems. Throughout the book, how-to guidelines are provided for using the same code to handle different hardware specifications without change for ported games, or those being build to work cross-platform from the ground up. It helps senior and lead programmers determine where the platform-specific features should start and end, and provides methods for achieving this. It also includes support for those using middleware by demonstrating how to write code that will run identically on different machines, despite the platform making use of the same APIs. Because this book teaches the methods, not the API, it scales well for future platforms and empowers you to create your own designs. . BuildTools - Jam, the cross-platform build tool covered in Chapter 11 as an alternative to Makefiles . Graphics - OpenGL, GLUT, and Microsoft DirectX SDK . Utility Libraries - STLport, Boost, POSIX threads for Windows, and PLib . Scripting - Lua, source for the Lua interpreter and Lua compiler, and the basic Lua core required by both System Requirements IBM PC or 100% compatible, 128MB RAM (256MB recommended), 100MB of available hard-disk space (500MB additional space is required for the full DirectX SDK), and a copy of Microsoft Visual C++ version 6 or above. An Intel Pentium 90 Processor is required, although Pentium II or higher is recommended for the majority of the code. A Pentium III, 1 GHz is recommended for the DirectX SDK. Windows 98 SE or later is required with a VGA or higher-resolution monitor (Super VGA recommended). The DirectX SDK requires a DX9-compatible graphics card with suitable drivers and OpenGL. About the Author Steven Goodwin has been in the games industry for over 10 years, progressing from Windows programmer to lead and management roles on console platforms such as the PS2, GameCube, and Xbox. During this time, he was responsible for five titles, including the #1 selling Die Hard: Vendetta, which appeared on all three of the above platforms. He has also written over 30 articles in major publications, including the UK games development industry trade magazine, Develop. Product Details Paperback: 460 pages Publisher: Charles River Media; 1 edition (March 2005) Language: English ISBN-10: 1584503793 ISBN-13: 978-1584503798 http://www.amazon.com/Cross-Platform-Game-Programming-Development/dp/1584503 793 Enjoy! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
But if Jedi are experienced in hand-to-hand combat, doesn't that theoretically mean sith would be, as well? Amd Mara definitely knows hand-to-hand combat... lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
You know, as weird as this sounds, I like to run around beating enemies up. If an area has more enemies than are necessary, I tend to kill all of them just for fun... but I think fists wouldn't be a bad idea. At 01:03 PM 12/12/2010, you wrote: Hi Hayden, On the contrary several of the Jedi Knight games feature hand to hand combat as well as light sabers, blasters, and the usual weaponry you would expect. In fact at the beginning of Jedi Knight I Kyle isn't even armed at the beginning of the game. You get your first weapon by grabbing the blaster from behind the bar, and then picking off the Rodian with the blastech pistol in the ceiling fan. Of course, you might have to use some hand to hand combat, smack a few heads in the Cantina, before getting that first blaster. Other times it comes in handy are the areas that are underwater were a blaster or light saber won't work. As for Jedi Knight Mysteries of the Sith I don't ever recall having a real need for fists, but the feature was most certainly available. It always just seamed I could use force powers to get what needed to be done without resorting to lesser means like beating up the enemy. I could usually force blind or stun the enemy and make a quick escape instead of sticking around fighting hand to hand with them. That especially holds true for the area with the prison block level where Mara is disarmed and locked in a jail cell below Ka'pa the Hut's palice. Once you escape the jail cell you have one big ugly rancor to fight and like Luke's encounter with the rancor she isn't armed when she does it. Best tactic there is to blind it, distract it, or whatever you can with the force and make good your escape and find Mara's saber elsewhere in the palice. If you want to settle the score with the rancor you can always go back and finish the job, but using fists definitely isn't going to work there. Lol! On 12/12/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi Thomas, Ah...cool. Just didn't seem like a Jedi-esk minouver. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 3:03 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Hayden, On the contrary several of the Jedi Knight games feature hand to hand combat as well as light sabers, blasters, and the usual weaponry you would expect. In fact at the beginning of Jedi Knight I Kyle isn't even armed at the beginning of the game. You get your first weapon by grabbing the blaster from behind the bar, and then picking off the Rodian with the blastech pistol in the ceiling fan. Of course, you might have to use some hand to hand combat, smack a few heads in the Cantina, before getting that first blaster. Other times it comes in handy are the areas that are underwater were a blaster or light saber won't work. As for Jedi Knight Mysteries of the Sith I don't ever recall having a real need for fists, but the feature was most certainly available. It always just seamed I could use force powers to get what needed to be done without resorting to lesser means like beating up the enemy. I could usually force blind or stun the enemy and make a quick escape instead of sticking around fighting hand to hand with them. That especially holds true for the area with the prison block level where Mara is disarmed and locked in a jail cell below Ka'pa the Hut's palice. Once you escape the jail cell you have one big ugly rancor to fight and like Luke's encounter with the rancor she isn't armed when she does it. Best tactic there is to blind it, distract it, or whatever you can with the force and make good your escape and find Mara's saber elsewhere in the palice. If you want to settle the score with the rancor you can always go back and finish the job, but using fists definitely isn't going to work there. Lol! On 12/12/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Short Mysteries of the Sith Preview
Hi, Well, as far as the Windows release goes anyway. In order to fix that problem I need to rewrite the window manager module to create a window without a menu bar. This isn't an issue with the Linux release as the latest build of the Linux build of the engine now uses SDL as the default window manager and there is no menu bar in that build of the engine. If I can successfully port that engine to Windows the problem would be solved. If not I'll have to look to using Direct3D instead of the Win32 API for the window manager. On 12/11/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Muhammed, Sigh...have you been following this conversation? Thomas is having trouble with that very key, due to the windows menubar. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:36 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Short Mysteries of the Sith Preview Hey I've thought of one! Alt left arrow key to swing to the left, alt right arrow key to swing to the right! - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Short Mysteries of the Sith Preview Hi Hayden, Then I guess you will be a little disabled only able to swing straight and to one side. I am sure if Thomas uses both alt keys he will be able to come up with a laptop equivalent. The same could be said if you don't have a mouse. I found games that have mouse support much easier and more fun to play. My last suggestion is to get a full sized keyboard to plug into your laptop. Phil - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Short Mysteries of the Sith Preview Hi Phil, Ah yes, but what about those of us who use laptops? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 4:50 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Short Mysteries of the Sith Preview Hi Thomas, I thought you had the alt key problem resolved with the alt key used for jumping but that was in the last version of MOTA. I prefer the mouse for light saber swings as that sounds like the most realistic. Phil - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Short Mysteries of the Sith Preview Hi Phil, Well, i definitely don't want to pan the sounds themselves as that simply is not in the game plan. My plan is to add in some advanced saber moves like being able to spin the saber, swing left/right, block, etc. Most of this would be well suited for th mouse or joystick, but i suppose I could use the keyboard to do this as well. I could use alt+left to swing the saber left, alt+right, to swing the saber right, or alt+forward to slash straight ahead. The only problem I see with that is the stupid alt keys brings up the window menu and you have to close it which gets pretty darn annoying. The only way I know to fix that one is to stop using the standard Windows Win32 API and use Microsoft's Direct3D API as the window manager. That works,but is kind of over kill since we don't actually need it to do more than draw an empty window to wrap the keyboard, mouse, and joystick parts of DirectX around. Anyway, my thought is basically this. I'd like to be able to use the mouse as your light saber allowing you to pull the mouse left/right to swing left/right, push it forward to stab, and pull back to block, etc. The original Lucas Arts games used similar functionality with the mouse which is something I'd like to emulate if I can. Cheers! On 12/10/10, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I was thinking you would include the pan already in the stereo sound file, rather than generating it by the keyboard. The keyboard generated pan would be more realistic but what keys to use? If you can distinguish between the left alt and right alt keys you could get three types of attack strokes. I think left alt then space would give you a swing from left to right as that is the way your fingers would be going. And space by itself could represent a straight ahead attack. The best use of the keyboard would be to have the mouse control the swing as you could move it like you would actually move the weapon. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game.
Do not forget that you will need to install the correct vb6 dlls for win7x64. If you need adatiaonl help on this, I can help. I had the same issues when first trying to run this game. Oh, Jeremy, how is the other game of yours coming? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Kaldobsky Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:13 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game. Are you sure it isn't running but being pushed to the background for some reason? Also, if your computer lags when starting up the game you might not hear the initial welcome message so try pressing Tab since that will begin cycling through menus if the game actually is running. I'm on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine at the moment and it started up fine for me after I told it to run as admin (didn't even need jim kitchen's files, nice). --- On Sun, 12/12/10, alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com wrote: From: alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com Subject: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game. To: gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 8:23 AM Hi list. I am wondering if I could please get some help running the towers of war strategy game? I am running windows 7 64 bit, and basically can't get it to run. When I press enter on the executable, or right click and select run as administrator, nothing at all happens, I don't get any gui, or even any error messages. I tried installing jim kitchens winkit as the author says that will install the required vb 6 runtime libraries, but it still won't run. Any help would be very much appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 4:03 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi Hayden, On the contrary several of the Jedi Knight games feature hand to hand combat as well as light sabers, blasters, and the usual weaponry you would expect. In fact at the beginning of Jedi Knight I Kyle isn't even armed at the beginning of the game. You get your first weapon by grabbing the blaster from behind the bar, and then picking off the Rodian with the blastech pistol in the ceiling fan. Of course, you might have to use some hand to hand combat, smack a few heads in the Cantina, before getting that first blaster. Other times it comes in handy are the areas that are underwater were a blaster or light saber won't work. As for Jedi Knight Mysteries of the Sith I don't ever recall having a real need for fists, but the feature was most certainly available. It always just seamed I could use force powers to get what needed to be done without resorting to lesser means like beating up the enemy. I could usually force blind or stun the enemy and make a quick escape instead of sticking around fighting hand to hand with them. That especially holds true for the area with the prison block level where Mara is disarmed and locked in a jail cell below Ka'pa the Hut's palice. Once you escape the jail cell you have one big ugly rancor to fight and like Luke's encounter with the rancor she isn't armed when she does it. Best tactic there is to blind it, distract it, or whatever you can with the force and make good your escape and find Mara's saber elsewhere in the palice. If you want to settle the score with the rancor you can always go back and finish the job, but using fists definitely isn't going to work there. Lol! On 12/12/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, No pointin using fists...I can just see it now: Jedi is engaged in hand-to-hand combat against Darth Tyrannus! Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game.
I installed Jim Kitchen's game but it did not help. Where do I install them to or how do I do it? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of reinhard stebner Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 4:05 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game. Do not forget that you will need to install the correct vb6 dlls for win7x64. If you need adatiaonl help on this, I can help. I had the same issues when first trying to run this game. Oh, Jeremy, how is the other game of yours coming? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Kaldobsky Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:13 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game. Are you sure it isn't running but being pushed to the background for some reason? Also, if your computer lags when starting up the game you might not hear the initial welcome message so try pressing Tab since that will begin cycling through menus if the game actually is running. I'm on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine at the moment and it started up fine for me after I told it to run as admin (didn't even need jim kitchen's files, nice). --- On Sun, 12/12/10, alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com wrote: From: alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com Subject: [Audyssey] problems running towers of war strategy game. To: gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 8:23 AM Hi list. I am wondering if I could please get some help running the towers of war strategy game? I am running windows 7 64 bit, and basically can't get it to run. When I press enter on the executable, or right click and select run as administrator, nothing at all happens, I don't get any gui, or even any error messages. I tried installing jim kitchens winkit as the author says that will install the required vb 6 runtime libraries, but it still won't run. Any help would be very much appreciated. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game objects in memory
Hi Willem, Yeah, I know, but the engine is already written the way it is. I really don't want to rewrite anything I don't have to. This is a classic case of if it ain't broke don't try to fix it. The game mechanics, such as they are, do work and are both stable and reliable. On 12/12/10, Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara and all. Thanks for the discussion. Reading all this was very informative and helpfull. An observation I might make is that if you work only in radians, multiplying and dividing with the constant (pi/180) becomes redundent. This will save some small calculation and simplify the code. If you really want to see the normal degree form of the angle you could just use standard functions to convert it back for displaying. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
I think that depends on the author. because in the phantom menace, when Obi-wan dives into the water with his lightsaber on, it dies, reportedly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
I don't think it would then again thats not been tested, Though I guess it may. nothing says it won't. At 11:56 a.m. 13/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game objects in memory
Hey thomas, thanks so much for your apology and no worries! I sure understand the feeling of stuff not working right! -I'm sure we all do. -It's sure not you though, I think sometimes, coding paradigms and getting libraries to play nice and such are just too fr**king needlessly complex at times! :) -Just my thoughts, of course… anyway, if you decide to try those methods again, just keep the part where the subtractions are done in the same order and the parts where I took out the +=. Those simple changes might give you what you want. those should work regardless of which axes you have in whatever directions you want. -Let me know how it goes, K?… Anyway, I'm sorry things have been such a blasted pain for ya. It definitely sounds frustrating. I wish you / yours a lovely and relaxing evening!… Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:43 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Cara, Got it. I apologize if I was a bit short with you a bit earlier. It is just the fact I've written and rewritten this engine code so many times I'm ready to scream. One of those cases wereI feel like I can't do anything write, and the worst part of it is I'm both college educated and have a programming degree. I shouldn't have this much grief over something like this. Although, to be fair to myself some of it wasn't my personal fault. For example, when I was looking at going cross-platform Travis highly recommended SFML for Linux, Mac, and Windows. So I checked out the API. On the surface it seamed exactly like what I needed, and abandoned my plans to use SDL 1.2.13 and went with SFML 1.6 instead. Next thing I know the game is causing massive crashes all over the place, and many users reported the almighty blue screen of death. Initially I thought it was something I did, my own mistakes, etc and so ran it through the Visual Studio debuggers. Much to my surprise after I did a step by step debug it comes up with an error found in sfml-window.dll. So I go and report it to the developer of the project ask him if they know about this bug and what could be done to resolve it etc. Basically, the guy knew about it, and doesn't kno how to fix the bug at this time. His recommendation, upgrade your Windows vidio drivers. This immediately became a tech support nightmare, and the reason I'm pulling SFML 1.6 completely out of beta 17 and going with my original plan of using SDL 1.2.13. At least it is stable and has no vidio driver problems I'm aware of. So at this point I've got the cross-platform engine ripped apart and I'm now in the process of redesigning all the low level subsystems like the window manager, input, audio, networking support, etc. What a bite in the butt! On the bright side I have rewritten the window subsystem and have basic keyboard support back in place with SDL and so far so good. I'm probably going to work on joystick and mouse support tomorrow and the window and input subsystems will be ready to go. As for audio I'm still not sure where to go with that. I'd like to use OpenAL, but I feel as though I'll have to rite some bit of middleware like a library that wraps OpenAL and can load ogg, mp3, wma files, etc which will be a very time consuming project. In the mean time FMOD would give me that and more which would at least get the engine up and running again for beta 17. So the basic point of what I was saying here is I've already got a long development cycle ahead with low level stuff. If there was a need to change more things to do proper collision detection now would be the time to do it, but I don't want to add more time to the development cycle than absolutely necessary. Smile. On 12/12/10, Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: Hi thomas; Just one last note for the evening. when I switched your z to y, it was for clarity's sake for the email. I'd assumed you would adapt the new code with your current orientation as I'd made other changes as you'd asked. The formulae are right but I was using x and y to show what I was doing in a standard way. -Only for clarity in my note. :) So sorry I obviously didn't make that clear enough. There's no reason, even in a worst case scenario that you should ever need to rewrite that much code for changes like these. I'll need to check back in with DX, but last I checked, you could essentially flip your world around any way you wanted it simply by changing two coordinates. -And, as I'd just mentioned, even if you change back y to z as I thought you would, the other changes I made will give you proper calculations. -but at the end of the day, if your engine is already essentially doing what you need then why change it at all? -this was, afterall, just a lil' experiment, yes? -I'm sure not asking you to change your style. :) I'm just personally working in one of the paradigms we were chatting about and having success with it. -But this is your baby after all. -If I can make suggestions that help, then great! If not, then don't use them.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Ben, if you edit some initialization files for Audio quake, it's possible to re-enable the mouse (which was intentionally disabled for AQ) along with the usual keyboard controls. This way, instead of rotating in little 22.5 degree increments and not being able to easily look up or down, you can simply use your mouse to smoothly move your view / aim anywhere you'd like. The downside of this may be that one whom can't see may not have an easy time re-centering their view. This can cause probs when trying to then walk forward if you're looking down, as you'd essentially then be told that you are scraping against a wall. (which is really the floor) and your movement would be slowed. This also can interfere with your aim, as if you're looking upward, you may still hear someone in front of you, but not be able to hit them as you'd be shooting over them, or at the ceiling. So I added a very simple command to instantly center your view and face you north. This way if one gets confused one can fix it immediately which is really important in a game like Quake (or even moreso in Jedi Quake) which is very, very fast by comparison to any other audio games I know of. this is partially why the mouse can be such a great help in the game. One can simply flick their hand and instantly turn at least 180 degrees to catch someone sneaking up on them. Also you can get very fine precision of aim at a distance that you really can't get with the current keyboard implementation. 22.5 degrees is just too large a turn radius for very fine control, and way too small for very fast turns, but is an extremely good compromise. Anyway, I don't recall at the second how many JQ releases have the centering function but I'm thinking it's the last couple. HTH and have a lovely day!… Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 12, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Ben wrote: Exactly! You rereleased jq? Have not got that one. Whats the mouse for now -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: 12 December 2010 01:56 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Thomas; I whole-heartedly agree! -Not only has mouse support been the first input method I've set up for the current Draco projects, but when developing Jedi Quake, I'd incorporated improved accessible mouse support to the latest couple of JQ releases to not only help people break out of the keyboard-only blind access thing but also just because I personally really like smooth, graceful motion. Using a keyboard to control a realtime simulation is just so herky-jerky and coarse. If people can just stop fearing the mouse and learn to work with it, it can be a really comfortable and fast way to game. Incidentally, this is exactly the same sort of complaining and arguing people were getting into, a couple of years ago when many were fighting the idea of the iPhone / touch screens on phones both for access and gaming alike. Like the touch screen, at least for the visually impaired market, the mouse is still essentially almost an untapped resource. I.E. It will just take some creative coders to incorporate it nicely into game designs so that VI people realize that it's cool and viable and everything will change, just like it has / is doing, with the iDevices and touch screens in general. We're only limited by our own imaginations! :) If we can conceive it it can happen! So if we want new / innovative gaming / VR experiences, then we need to bring new and innovative mindsets to them. the experiences will then be new and innovative!. :) Have a great evening / weekend All and chat witcha on the flip!. Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or can not use a mouse in games do to blindness because the programmer programs how the input device reacts so therefore it is or can be just as accessible as a keyboard. Anyway, to get to my pointthe the keyboard is extremely limited in what it can and can not do. This game is a classic case in point. There
Re: [Audyssey] game objects in memory
Hi Willem, right you are! -For me though, holy crap! I wouldn't feel at all comfortable dealing in radians all the time. lol! I prefer to work in degrees and just convert back and forth on the fly. I basically have two methods I send pointers to; one to get an angle which returns in degrees, and the other to set an angle which takes degrees. I personally just don't naturally think in radians, but there ya go. Have a terrific day!… Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Willem Venter wrote: Hi Cara and all. Thanks for the discussion. Reading all this was very informative and helpfull. An observation I might make is that if you work only in radians, multiplying and dividing with the constant (pi/180) becomes redundent. This will save some small calculation and simplify the code. If you really want to see the normal degree form of the angle you could just use standard functions to convert it back for displaying. On 12/12/10, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara, Got it. I apologize if I was a bit short with you a bit earlier. It is just the fact I've written and rewritten this engine code so many times I'm ready to scream. One of those cases wereI feel like I can't do anything write, and the worst part of it is I'm both college educated and have a programming degree. I shouldn't have this much grief over something like this. Although, to be fair to myself some of it wasn't my personal fault. For example, when I was looking at going cross-platform Travis highly recommended SFML for Linux, Mac, and Windows. So I checked out the API. On the surface it seamed exactly like what I needed, and abandoned my plans to use SDL 1.2.13 and went with SFML 1.6 instead. Next thing I know the game is causing massive crashes all over the place, and many users reported the almighty blue screen of death. Initially I thought it was something I did, my own mistakes, etc and so ran it through the Visual Studio debuggers. Much to my surprise after I did a step by step debug it comes up with an error found in sfml-window.dll. So I go and report it to the developer of the project ask him if they know about this bug and what could be done to resolve it etc. Basically, the guy knew about it, and doesn't kno how to fix the bug at this time. His recommendation, upgrade your Windows vidio drivers. This immediately became a tech support nightmare, and the reason I'm pulling SFML 1.6 completely out of beta 17 and going with my original plan of using SDL 1.2.13. At least it is stable and has no vidio driver problems I'm aware of. So at this point I've got the cross-platform engine ripped apart and I'm now in the process of redesigning all the low level subsystems like the window manager, input, audio, networking support, etc. What a bite in the butt! On the bright side I have rewritten the window subsystem and have basic keyboard support back in place with SDL and so far so good. I'm probably going to work on joystick and mouse support tomorrow and the window and input subsystems will be ready to go. As for audio I'm still not sure where to go with that. I'd like to use OpenAL, but I feel as though I'll have to rite some bit of middleware like a library that wraps OpenAL and can load ogg, mp3, wma files, etc which will be a very time consuming project. In the mean time FMOD would give me that and more which would at least get the engine up and running again for beta 17. So the basic point of what I was saying here is I've already got a long development cycle ahead with low level stuff. If there was a need to change more things to do proper collision detection now would be the time to do it, but I don't want to add more time to the development cycle than absolutely necessary. Smile. On 12/12/10, Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: Hi thomas; Just one last note for the evening. when I switched your z to y, it was for clarity's sake for the email. I'd assumed you would adapt the new code with your current orientation as I'd made other changes as you'd asked. The formulae are right but I was using x and y to show what I was doing in a standard way. -Only for clarity in my note. :) So sorry I obviously didn't make that clear enough. There's no reason, even in a worst case scenario that you should ever need to rewrite that much code for changes like these. I'll need to check back in with DX, but last I checked, you could essentially flip your world around any way you wanted it simply by changing two coordinates. -And, as I'd just mentioned, even if you change back y to z as I thought you would, the other changes I made will give you proper calculations. -but at the end of the day, if your engine is already essentially doing what you need then why change it at all? -this was, afterall, just a lil' experiment, yes? -I'm sure not asking you to change your style. :) I'm just personally working in one of the
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi, Well, not necessarily. I think this would be a case of skills of an individual person rather than weather or not all Jedi or all Sith would know hand to hand combat. Mara Jade is a special case in point as she was taken from her home at age 8 by the Emperor and trained from childhood to be a Sith assassin for the Empire. She was put through the Imperial academy, flight school, etc all skills that would enhance her later life as a Jedi for the New Republic. She would obviously have a lot of training and skills not shared by everyone at the Jedi academy, and possably why she quickly rose to the rank of Jedi master by the time of the New Jedi Order books. Also not just hand to hand skills, but it seams Jedi have special force skills too. For example, one of Mara Jade's special force abilities is a force bubble. She can surround herself with a blue bubble of force energy that deflects light sabers, blaster bolts, and has been used to hover a few feet off the ground. Not all the Jedi have the mental power or force skill to project a force bubble like Mara can.The only other Jedi in the NJO I know of who can do it is Jaina Solo, and that is only because Mara taught her the ability when Jaina was her apprentice. Cheers! On 12/12/10, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: But if Jedi are experienced in hand-to-hand combat, doesn't that theoretically mean sith would be, as well? Amd Mara definitely knows hand-to-hand combat... lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game objects in memory
Hi Cara, That makes two of us. I don't think in radians either. I have a few calculation functions in the engine that actually returns a degree either absolute or relative based on what I need the direction for. If it is a trajectory/targeting solution I'll use relative since obviously I need to know the direction the player character is facing as well as the actual position of the target. Doing that using radians would be, well, i don't want to think about it. Lol! Cheers! On 12/12/10, Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: Hi Willem, right you are! -For me though, holy crap! I wouldn't feel at all comfortable dealing in radians all the time. lol! I prefer to work in degrees and just convert back and forth on the fly. I basically have two methods I send pointers to; one to get an angle which returns in degrees, and the other to set an angle which takes degrees. I personally just don't naturally think in radians, but there ya go. Have a terrific day!… Smiles, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game objects in memory
HI Cara, Thanks for understanding. For me I have felt like the perverbial dog chasing his own tail. Trying this API, trying that one, and trying to make it do exactly what I want is a serious pain in the butt. Of course, the principle problem is trying to design high quality ccross-platform software that actually does run cross-platform. If I wanted to write games just for Windows that would be a piece of cake. Just slap together an engine using DirectInput, DirectSound, and Direct3D, Sapi 5, and away I go. Not that simple if we try to consider designing the same game for Mac OS and Linux too. SDL is a fairly decent API, all things considered, but is noway the equal of DirectX. Which can get a developer into trouble when Windows gamers start requesting features not supported by SDL, or that don't exactly work as they expect it too. For example, right now I'm working on the SDL input system for G3D. As you know SDL uses an event driven input system. This is fine for most games, but I do notice there are things that don't exactly work the way they would with DirectInput. You can't walk and pick up a gun or something at the same time. I personally don't care, but a few Windows gamers really complained that they could do that with DirectInput but not with SFML or SDL. It is like how exactly do you address a complaint like that when the API just doesn't work the same as what they are expecting? Smile. On 12/12/10, Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: Hey thomas, thanks so much for your apology and no worries! I sure understand the feeling of stuff not working right! -I'm sure we all do. -It's sure not you though, I think sometimes, coding paradigms and getting libraries to play nice and such are just too fr**king needlessly complex at times! :) -Just my thoughts, of course… anyway, if you decide to try those methods again, just keep the part where the subtractions are done in the same order and the parts where I took out the +=. Those simple changes might give you what you want. those should work regardless of which axes you have in whatever directions you want. -Let me know how it goes, K?… Anyway, I'm sorry things have been such a blasted pain for ya. It definitely sounds frustrating. I wish you / yours a lovely and relaxing evening!… Smiles, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Oh ok... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth I think that depends on the author. because in the phantom menace, when Obi-wan dives into the water with his lightsaber on, it dies, reportedly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Cross-Platform Game Programming Book
Hi, Unfortunately, no. I'm going to have to scan it from cover to cover and probably edit it to clean up any scanning errors before I can read it. As the holidays are in full swing I probably won't really get to the book until after Christmas. Cheers! On 12/12/10, NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net wrote: Hi Tom Sounds like an interesting book. Is the book available as an e-book like .pdf or .html? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
This is true. I wonder if you could add building your own light saber to the game I've always been fascinated with that -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:56 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5697 (20101212) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Cross-Platform Game Programming Book
Hi, I certainly hope so. Coming up with a cross-platform standard is difficult. Things like object serialization, AKA saving games, etc has to be done in a way that works on multiple platforms. As there is no standard way of handling serialization in C++ you end up having to use something like the Boost API to handle that on the backend and hope to get a uniform standard to work with. Diddo for things like multithreading which is necessary for high speed game performance. Again no universal standard between platforms requiring some sort of middleware like Boost to try and implement universal multithreading that works on Mac, Linux, and Windos equally. In a way this is were Mono, AKA .NET, would shine as most of the stuff like threading, serialization, etc is already designed and added to the framework/API offering a single uniform standard for .NET developers cross multiple platforms. However, as I've already rewritten he engine in C++ I'm not at aall sure I'd want to go back to .NET. On 12/11/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Think this might be useful for MOTA and future projects that are, or will be in the works? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi, Not this game. My purpose here would be to try and to recreate the original game, Mysteries of the Sith, so obviously I'd want as little end user suggestions as possible. Anything that would stray too far away from the original game would be undesirable. Its one thing to change keyboard commands for ease of use or to add access keys, and quite another to begin changing story elements, game levels, etc not knowing what the game is about. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: This is true. I wonder if you could add building your own light saber to the game I've always been fascinated with that --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
That's all very true. And I forgot about that force bubble til now... but it seems that the general principle of hand-to-hand combat is pretty widespread in the order. Every jedi I've sceen either in books or movies seems to know how to fight with their bare hands if they need it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi Thomas, Didn't Yoda have a force bubble? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Hi, Well, not necessarily. I think this would be a case of skills of an individual person rather than weather or not all Jedi or all Sith would know hand to hand combat. Mara Jade is a special case in point as she was taken from her home at age 8 by the Emperor and trained from childhood to be a Sith assassin for the Empire. She was put through the Imperial academy, flight school, etc all skills that would enhance her later life as a Jedi for the New Republic. She would obviously have a lot of training and skills not shared by everyone at the Jedi academy, and possably why she quickly rose to the rank of Jedi master by the time of the New Jedi Order books. Also not just hand to hand skills, but it seams Jedi have special force skills too. For example, one of Mara Jade's special force abilities is a force bubble. She can surround herself with a blue bubble of force energy that deflects light sabers, blaster bolts, and has been used to hover a few feet off the ground. Not all the Jedi have the mental power or force skill to project a force bubble like Mara can.The only other Jedi in the NJO I know of who can do it is Jaina Solo, and that is only because Mara taught her the ability when Jaina was her apprentice. Cheers! On 12/12/10, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: But if Jedi are experienced in hand-to-hand combat, doesn't that theoretically mean sith would be, as well? Amd Mara definitely knows hand-to-hand combat... lol. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3311 - Release Date: 12/12/10 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] game objects in memory
Yes, but the actual value doesnt matter as long as you stick to using one or the other method. Under normal surcomstances it wont be shown anyway and only the angles that are displayed need to be converted. -original message- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] game objects in memory From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com Date: 13/12/2010 1:53 am Hi Willem, right you are! -For me though, holy crap! I wouldn't feel at all comfortable dealing in radians all the time. lol! I prefer to work in degrees and just convert back and forth on the fly. I basically have two methods I send pointers to; one to get an angle which returns in degrees, and the other to set an angle which takes degrees. I personally just don't naturally think in radians, but there ya go. Have a terrific day!… Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Willem Venter wrote: Hi Cara and all. Thanks for the discussion. Reading all this was very informative and helpfull. An observation I might make is that if you work only in radians, multiplying and dividing with the constant (pi/180) becomes redundent. This will save some small calculation and simplify the code. If you really want to see the normal degree form of the angle you could just use standard functions to convert it back for displaying. On 12/12/10, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara, Got it. I apologize if I was a bit short with you a bit earlier. It is just the fact I've written and rewritten this engine code so many times I'm ready to scream. One of those cases wereI feel like I can't do anything write, and the worst part of it is I'm both college educated and have a programming degree. I shouldn't have this much grief over something like this. Although, to be fair to myself some of it wasn't my personal fault. For example, when I was looking at going cross-platform Travis highly recommended SFML for Linux, Mac, and Windows. So I checked out the API. On the surface it seamed exactly like what I needed, and abandoned my plans to use SDL 1.2.13 and went with SFML 1.6 instead. Next thing I know the game is causing massive crashes all over the place, and many users reported the almighty blue screen of death. Initially I thought it was something I did, my own mistakes, etc and so ran it through the Visual Studio debuggers. Much to my surprise after I did a step by step debug it comes up with an error found in sfml-window.dll. So I go and report it to the developer of the project ask him if they know about this bug and what could be done to resolve it etc. Basically, the guy knew about it, and doesn't kno how to fix the bug at this time. His recommendation, upgrade your Windows vidio drivers. This immediately became a tech support nightmare, and the reason I'm pulling SFML 1.6 completely out of beta 17 and going with my original plan of using SDL 1.2.13. At least it is stable and has no vidio driver problems I'm aware of. So at this point I've got the cross-platform engine ripped apart and I'm now in the process of redesigning all the low level subsystems like the window manager, input, audio, networking support, etc. What a bite in the butt! On the bright side I have rewritten the window subsystem and have basic keyboard support back in place with SDL and so far so good. I'm probably going to work on joystick and mouse support tomorrow and the window and input subsystems will be ready to go. As for audio I'm still not sure where to go with that. I'd like to use OpenAL, but I feel as though I'll have to rite some bit of middleware like a library that wraps OpenAL and can load ogg, mp3, wma files, etc which will be a very time consuming project. In the mean time FMOD would give me that and more which would at least get the engine up and running again for beta 17. So the basic point of what I was saying here is I've already got a long development cycle ahead with low level stuff. If there was a need to change more things to do proper collision detection now would be the time to do it, but I don't want to add more time to the development cycle than absolutely necessary. Smile. On 12/12/10, Cara Quinn caraqu...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: Hi thomas; Just one last note for the evening. when I switched your z to y, it was for clarity's sake for the email. I'd assumed you would adapt the new code with your current orientation as I'd made other changes as you'd asked. The formulae are right but I was using x and y to show what I was doing in a standard way. -Only for clarity in my note. :) So sorry I obviously didn't make that clear enough. There's no reason, even in a worst case scenario that you should ever need to rewrite that much code for changes like these. I'll need to check back in with DX, but last I checked, you could essentially flip your world around any way you wanted it simply by changing two coordinates. -And, as I'd just mentioned, even if you change
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Hi Phil, No. Not that I'm aware of. In his battles such as the one featured in Attack of the Clones with Count Dooku and the one in Revenge of the Sith with Palpatine Yoda uses force deflect to block the force lightning attacks. This is a completely different force ability from the force bubble Mara uses from time to time in the books. Mara rarely uses the force bubble herself, because it is physically and mentally draining to perform for any length of time. For example, do you remember, I think it was, Bloodlines where Mara has to break in to Thrackan Sal-Solo's palice? The approach to the palace is heavily guarded with electronic security measures, and the only way for Mara to enter undetected is to litterally float over the sensors. However, since they also were infrared activated as well as pressure activated Mara casts a force bubble to conserve her body heat, and to keep her hovering over the ground so sshe wouldn't come into contact with the sensors directly. When she manages to get safely inside she lowers the force bubble but is physically and mentally drained from sustaining a force bubble for that length of time. The only other time I can recall Mara using a force bubble for any length of time is the time she and Jaina Solo combined their force powers to create a large force bubble to move debree away in one of the books, but at the moment I don't recall which book that was in. Cheers! On 12/12/10, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Didn't Yoda have a force bubble? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Writing with Inform
Ok, just downloaded/installed it, and think will have to either try get used to it's interface, or else just go through documentation, and then go back to writing source etc. in notepad again, and just use it to try compiling it, but let's see... Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Anouk Radix anou...@home.nl To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Writing with Inform Hi Jacob I think you might look into inform 7 which is the newest version of inform. I think they have made programming with inform a lot easier with inform 7. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Writing with Inform I think I found everything here, or hereabouts: http://ifarchive.org/indexes/if-archiveXinfocomXcompilersXinform5.html Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Jose Lomeli joselomel...@lavabit.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Writing with Inform Hey, I'm intrested on doing this! What comands are you using? This is cool! I want to be able to write my own zCode games! JOSE Lomeli Email: joselomel...@lavabit.com Twitter: joselomeli9393 - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Writing with Inform Just started looking into it, and busy working through tutorial CHM file, and like some other dev scenario's, I'm just using notepad, and the command line compiler to turn the text files into *.z5 files at the moment. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Orin orin8...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 1:03 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Writing with Inform Hedy all, Until I can find a real programming language that my brain can comprehend and or find a manual that's easy to understand, Inform is my only option for now. I really want to go into programming and make it a job though if I'm having trouble understanding programming manuals it makes such a goal seem unachieveable. Then, once I manage to formulate these concepts in my head, how do I make a game out of it and turn it into code and make sounds do what I want, etc. However, for those of you who write in Inform, which do you use to write it? Notepad and or a text editor and then compile it within the Inform program? Also, even though inform is the simple programming language, what does one start a game off with. Creating a room? Because I notice at the beginning of Inform games there's release information and extention inclusions. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Former Failed Franchisee Makes $20k+/ Mo. Apply Today-$10. http://click.lavabit.com/3j7cf1an7jg3yh5dse6ex53ju3wkirabh5dqpnsi9hzmq1hqhzib/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Adding into the game would be a very interesting feature - building your own saber was a feature of a later game I believe... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 12 December 2010 23:27 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth I don't think it would then again thats not been tested, Though I guess it may. nothing says it won't. At 11:56 a.m. 13/12/2010, you wrote: Hi, Yeah, but there seams to be some disagreement between Star Wars sources weather or not a light saber works under water. In the Jedi Knight games they would fail under water, and you had to depend on hand to hand combat or force ability to fight the dianogas and other sea creatures underwater. In the Phantom Menice Obi-Won drops his light saber in the swamp just after they escape the Trade Federation ship at the beginning of the movie and his light saber temperarily gets shorted out. So there is something of a case that can be made they generally don't work underwater. That's not to say perhaps Luke Skywalker or anyone else built a better design that does work underwater. In fact, building your own light saber is one of the tests of a Jedi Knight. On 12/12/10, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think light sabers do work under watter. Have you read splinter of the minds eye? IN that book there was a seen where luke used his saber under the water. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth
Could you give me some pointers as to how to edit and obtain the latest jq information and releases? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: 12 December 2010 23:44 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Ben, if you edit some initialization files for Audio quake, it's possible to re-enable the mouse (which was intentionally disabled for AQ) along with the usual keyboard controls. This way, instead of rotating in little 22.5 degree increments and not being able to easily look up or down, you can simply use your mouse to smoothly move your view / aim anywhere you'd like. The downside of this may be that one whom can't see may not have an easy time re-centering their view. This can cause probs when trying to then walk forward if you're looking down, as you'd essentially then be told that you are scraping against a wall. (which is really the floor) and your movement would be slowed. This also can interfere with your aim, as if you're looking upward, you may still hear someone in front of you, but not be able to hit them as you'd be shooting over them, or at the ceiling. So I added a very simple command to instantly center your view and face you north. This way if one gets confused one can fix it immediately which is really important in a game like Quake (or even moreso in Jedi Quake) which is very, very fast by comparison to any other audio games I know of. this is partially why the mouse can be such a great help in the game. One can simply flick their hand and instantly turn at least 180 degrees to catch someone sneaking up on them. Also you can get very fine precision of aim at a distance that you really can't get with the current keyboard implementation. 22.5 degrees is just too large a turn radius for very fine control, and way too small for very fast turns, but is an extremely good compromise. Anyway, I don't recall at the second how many JQ releases have the centering function but I'm thinking it's the last couple. HTH and have a lovely day!. Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 12, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Ben wrote: Exactly! You rereleased jq? Have not got that one. Whats the mouse for now -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: 12 December 2010 01:56 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mysteries of the syth Thomas; I whole-heartedly agree! -Not only has mouse support been the first input method I've set up for the current Draco projects, but when developing Jedi Quake, I'd incorporated improved accessible mouse support to the latest couple of JQ releases to not only help people break out of the keyboard-only blind access thing but also just because I personally really like smooth, graceful motion. Using a keyboard to control a realtime simulation is just so herky-jerky and coarse. If people can just stop fearing the mouse and learn to work with it, it can be a really comfortable and fast way to game. Incidentally, this is exactly the same sort of complaining and arguing people were getting into, a couple of years ago when many were fighting the idea of the iPhone / touch screens on phones both for access and gaming alike. Like the touch screen, at least for the visually impaired market, the mouse is still essentially almost an untapped resource. I.E. It will just take some creative coders to incorporate it nicely into game designs so that VI people realize that it's cool and viable and everything will change, just like it has / is doing, with the iDevices and touch screens in general. We're only limited by our own imaginations! :) If we can conceive it it can happen! So if we want new / innovative gaming / VR experiences, then we need to bring new and innovative mindsets to them. the experiences will then be new and innovative!. :) Have a great evening / weekend All and chat witcha on the flip!. Smiles, Cara :) On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Muhammed, What's wrong with a mouse? You seam rather viament against the idea of using a mouse for game play. However, as several game developers have shown the the mouse is a rather nice gaming device, and is very accessible in games too. You guys are going to have to face it if you want games on par with the mainstream PC games you are going to have to get use to a mouse sometime. No offense, this isn't directed at you personally, but I've seen far to many VI users throw an unbelievable fit over an input device like a mouse. Some act as though it will kill them to actually buy or own one for a change. Besides I thought one shipped with every computer, but I guess some people throw them away or give them away believing them not to be important, and the minute a game developer says one is required they begin wining. They start in with the I'm blind and can't use a mouse crap. This has no bearing on weather you can or
