Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
+1 Nick Adamson. Also remember that many developers read the audiogames.net forum and this mailing list. Seeing how community members respond to one developer's choices is an easy way to guess how they would act towards other developers whenever they find something disagreeable. Expressing frustration in a civil manner is one thing, but name calling and open endorsement of piracy is entirely different. ~ Ian Reed Try my free games at http://BlindAudioGames.com On 7/29/2015 12:17 AM, Nick Adamson wrote: Hi all. The content of this thread is making me a little uncomfortable. You may not agree with what has happened but encouraging piracy and personal attacks makes no one look good and especially from people normally respected in our community. As there is nothing you can do about the Q9 situation why not try to see the positives. People who wouldn't normally play audio games are being introduced to them and that may lead to them finding out what else is out there. Thanks. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi all. The content of this thread is making me a little uncomfortable. You may not agree with what has happened but encouraging piracy and personal attacks makes no one look good and especially from people normally respected in our community. As there is nothing you can do about the Q9 situation why not try to see the positives. People who wouldn't normally play audio games are being introduced to them and that may lead to them finding out what else is out there. Thanks. Nick. > On 29 Jul 2015, at 01:40, Thomas Ward wrote: > > Hi Dark, > > Fair enough. That seems to me to be a fair compromise. > > > >> On 7/28/15, dark wrote: >> Hi Tom. >> >> I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but >> currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop >> >> up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway >> even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are >> officially abandonware. >> Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. >> this is what the "unknown" license type is for, ie, we don't know what has >> become of the game. >> >> I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, >> >> I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is >> legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. >> >> If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll >> >> be glad to tell him what I think. >> >> Beware the grue! >> >> Dark. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
yes good argument lets keep it at that otherwise this could start something bad on list that I don't want started. if you want to share q9 do it in private i think. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:03 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Josh, The problem with your argument is this. Regardless if you take something physical or not if you take something that belongs to a person be it an idea, song, a story, or a piece of software it is still considered steeling because according to the law you have an obligation to pay for it. If someone takes something without paying for it that is by definition steeling. In a case such as this a person hasn't actually stolen the game or software itself, but have stolen the opportunity to sell the software. Therefore that developer loses out on the amount of money he or she was owed which effectively is the same as taking it out of his or her wallet. In both cases the developer does not have the money to spend because he/she never was given the money for that use of the software. On 7/28/15, Josh K wrote: how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
well yes technically the dictionary definition is right. but really all this over a game? a $25 or $30 game? I can see pirating jaws its over $1000 and not many can afford it but pirating a $30 game or even $70 eloquence really no need. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 10:31 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: If I am selling a game, and you get a copy of the game without paying me for that copy, you have stolen it from me. That's piracy. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Josh K" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 8:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thin
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Josh, The problem with your argument is this. Regardless if you take something physical or not if you take something that belongs to a person be it an idea, song, a story, or a piece of software it is still considered steeling because according to the law you have an obligation to pay for it. If someone takes something without paying for it that is by definition steeling. In a case such as this a person hasn't actually stolen the game or software itself, but have stolen the opportunity to sell the software. Therefore that developer loses out on the amount of money he or she was owed which effectively is the same as taking it out of his or her wallet. In both cases the developer does not have the money to spend because he/she never was given the money for that use of the software. On 7/28/15, Josh K wrote: > how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once > you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your > wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the > money I have it, I stole it from you. > now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I > have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same > info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code > too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the > game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he > gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was > the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the > category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute > criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I > want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my > duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an > exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have > your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I > should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost > out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than > coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, > and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book > for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book > with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer > has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I > think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that > is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call > them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want > put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the > originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. > in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because > everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink > our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so > I'll stop here. > > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
hmmm grand skeem of things friends will share books games and whatever else they like. On 7/28/15, Charles Rivard wrote: > If I am selling a game, and you get a copy of the game without paying me for > > that copy, you have stolen it from me. That's piracy. > > --- > Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, > > you! really! are! finished! > - Original Message - > From: "Josh K" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home > > >> how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you >> >> take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet >> >> with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I >> have it, I stole it from you. >> now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I >> have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. >> >> now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. >> should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game >> still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to >> me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the >> developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the >> category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute >> criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want >> >> that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator >> gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working >> copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but >> >> wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for >> >> the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money >> >> for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens >> >> if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i >> should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost >> money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking >> something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this >> >> is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our >> >> terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they >> >> steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and >> duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no >> >> you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no >> longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing >> has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to >> completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could >> >> go on forever so I'll stop here. >> >> follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 >> >> On 7/28/2015 8:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: >>> I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. >>> >>> --- >>> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >>> finished, you! really! are! finished! >>> - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" >>> >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home >>> >>> I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward > wrote: > > Hi Dark, > > Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and > no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that > happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell > single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, > something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable > people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally > know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not > already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that > use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it > instead, and that is a fact. > > > >> On 7/28/15, dark wrote: >> Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more >> deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's >> stupidity, a >> >> very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. >> >> If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate >> the >> gam
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
If I am selling a game, and you get a copy of the game without paying me for that copy, you have stolen it from me. That's piracy. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Josh K" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 8:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archi
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
how is it stealing? stealing is taking something from someone and once you take it that person no longer has or owns it. example. i take your wallet with money in it, therefore you no longer have the wallet or the money I have it, I stole it from you. now I buy a game. I get the unlock info and setup for the game. so now I have that info and also the developer of the game also has that same info. now I give my unlock code to you. so now you have my unlock code too. should you have it? no. but you do. but wait, the developer of the game still has his game, the source code, and the unlock code that he gave to me. I did not steal anything from him. the only thing i did was the developer lost money because i shared a game. this falls under the category of dishonesty not really stealing. how will we prosecute criminals when the day comes when lets say you have a nice car and I want that car. well stealing is a thing of the past I pull out my duplicator gun, point it at the car hit a button and voila! I have an exact working copy of your vehicle built atom by atom. and I even have your keys! oh but wait you still have your own car and your own keys. I should have paid for the car most that happened was the car dealer lost out on getting my money for something i should have baught rather than coppied. same thing happens if i borrow a book from a friend, read it, and i like it. technically i should have gone out and baught the book for myself so the author lost money because my friend shared his book with me. stealing is taking something so the original owner no longer has that thing. its stolen. this is not stealing its well copying. I think culturally we have to change our terms. pirates, they steal. that is pirates who loot ships and stuff they steal. but could we really call them pirates if they board your ship and duplicate the stuff they want put the copies on their ship and go off? no you still have the originals. and if that day comes even money will no longer have value. in fact if you can just copy everything then nothing has value because everything can be coppied. so we would then have to completely rethink our whole entire world economic system. and this could go on forever so I'll stop here. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 8:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the we
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
A suggestion: If the game is available as part of a package that really isn't usable to nonJAWS users, let people know that the game is available for, then list what it will cost people to get it. If I can get the game for $150, and I'm only using this as an example, I won't buy it. The game, which is all I am interested in, is not worth that price. The loss of sales is then Brian's problem and Brian's fault. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Tom. I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are officially abandonware. Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. this is what the "unknown" license type is for, ie, we don't know what has become of the game. I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll be glad to tell him what I think. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I'll bet that it has just the opposite effect. I, for one, would not buy his package in order to get the game. The game may be thought of as a bonus for those who buy, but I don't think it is enough of an incentive to boost package sales. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Dark, Not sure I'd go as far to call Brian Hartgen a moron since his reasons for not selling Q9 separately makes sense from a certain business point of view. As I understand it his entire purpose of acquiring the game was not to sell the game but to use it to add onto his Leasey product, to boost sales of Leasey, so seen from that perspective it makes sense. There is a lot that could be said here greedy, scummy, unfair, etc but the bottom line is he won't sell the game as a stand alone product because it was never his intention to do it that way. He is bundling it into his Leasey product and if you want it you have to pay the big bucks for Leasey. To be honest I don't think Brian Hartgen really thought about the ramifications of what this would do and how angry this would make the audio games community. He saw this as a simple business transaction, one in which would boost sales of Leasey, and he didn't care if it effectively took Q9 off the market. He is not a game developer per se, and thus he has no ties to the community the way many long time audio game developers do. So he just does not see it the same way we see it. To him Q9 is just another piece of software to be sold or added to Leasey rather than sold as a separately existing product. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: Well then he shal recieve my scorn for being a moron! Really, not selling something to people is a great way to run a business. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
If this is so, in fairness, we should think the same of him. If the flaws in his thinking are pointed out to him, and he makes no changes, he's not a good businessman, and will lose out on potential customers, and deservedly so. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Dark, Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. I've read his blog posts regarding Q9 and he sees Q9 as just another piece of software to be purchased and added to his Leasey product. Nothing more, and nothing less. So he does not realize the value of what he owns because as happens all too often in business he just sees Q9 as a business transaction and I don't even think he cares about the product itself other than what it can do to boost sales of Leasey. This community means nothing to him, and we all can bugger off. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: It is true that "new games will come" But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I would sometimes it's needed. I will not be one to sit up here and lie and say I would never. bhaahahahahah. On 7/28/15, Charles Rivard wrote: > I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. > > --- > Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, > > you! really! are! finished! > - Original Message - > From: "Devin Prater" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home > > >> I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to >> interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying >> the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather >> pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how >> mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it >> away. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Dark, >>> >>> Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and >>> no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that >>> happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell >>> single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, >>> something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable >>> people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally >>> know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not >>> already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that >>> use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it >>> instead, and that is a fact. >>> >>> >>> On 7/28/15, dark wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: >> 07/28/15 >> > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > -- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you h
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I would show it as it is, honestly, pointing out the pitfalls, and let him suffer the consequences. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Well Tom, in that case he can bugger off as well! Ive got half a mind to change the license type to "unknown" for Q9 in the audiogames.net db and put a note to the effect similar to those on the bsc games that the developer, ie, philip is no longer selling the game and it is legally unavailable, sinse hay if this prat won't support the community, why should that community support him? Then again, even if I just wrote the truth that the game is only now available with a package software deal that requires a Jaws license and even for someone with a Jaws license will cost $150, I doubt it'll improve his sales figures anyway :D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't send the guy hate mail either, and when I did send him an e-mail about Q9 I did my best to be polite and courteous. However, I can completely understand the motivations behind some others sending him hate mail or wanting to kick his door down and just take the game by force if they could. The way he is behaving engenders bad feelings on both sides,and ultimately I think it will come back to bite him on the backside one way or another. For one thing there are plenty of people who have valid licenses of Q9 anyway so they won't be buying Leasey unless they genuinely want that product. Those who don't have Q9 licenses either do not want the game or like me won't pay for Leasey just to own that particular game. There is the issue that Leasey is a Jaws specific product, is written as a Jaws add-on, so wouldn't be available to non-Jaws users anyway. So whatever he thinks owning Q9 will gain him isn't much. I don't really see it boosting sales of Leasey, and ultimately this acquisition is doomed to failure as a marketing ploy. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > I wouldn't go as far as actually sending the guy hate mail, and I confess my > > wish that leasy fails was a little bit of bile on my part, however my > thoughts on piracy are actually serious ones, sinse frankly if something is > > made unavailable, that is the time people are going to turn to piracy, even > > people who would not normally do so. This has as I said, already happened > with the Bsc titles, code factory and bavisoft. > > While sending actual hate male and getting nasty is going further than I > would, I can understand the impulse behind it sinse frankly this chap is > behaving abominably, and yes, even if it is in line with business, that > > doesn't stop it being abominable (quite the reverse in fact sinse more > frequently than not good business is just a psudonim for grasping and > greedy). > > the game already exists as a stand alone program, it doesn't rquire jaws or > > any screen reader, there is absolutely no need for this, and I ultimately > don't think it'll do him much good in the long run. > > As to the community, well it's part of the problem with any small community, > > bad feelings go further sinse there is no getting away from them, (look at > the salem witch trials). As I said, actually attacking the guy for all I my > > less than stellar opinion of what he's doing to such a great game as Q9 is > far further than I would go, and I do understand the impulse behind it even > > if I don't agree with the behaviour. > > Beware the grue! > > DArk. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I would think that he's shooting himself in both feet with this practice. As for hoping that he goes bankrupt or anything like that, I hope not. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. However, I feel that sensibly written complaints are valid, and I hope that, eventually, he sees the light and does what is appropriate. If the game is made available as a stand alone purchase, I hope he considers that a quick nickel always beats a slow dollar when it comes to income. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Dark, I agree. Selling Q9 as a separate product might do him more good than including it as an add-on for Leasey, but apparently he thinks otherwise. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to care what we think and I don't see that situation changing any time soon. As for your feelings on the matter I'm pretty certain a lot of others are wishing him and his business ill will right now. He said in his most recent blog post that he has been getting a lot of hate mail over this, and I'm not surprised. As a recipient of some of that hate mail myself I know how nasty this community can be when something gets them upset over something. So I wouldn't be surprised if there are others who think as you do that are hoping Leasey fails, that Brian goes financially bankrupt, or someone pirates his software into oblivion. None of which are a bit realistic, but I guess if it helps quell someone's rage to dream about such things they will. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: Well tom, good business practice and moron hood are not mutually exclusive concepts :D. Ultimately Q9 would do him more good as a stand alone program than just as a little extra addon for his Leasy thing, sinse I suspect there are far more potential Nvda, window eyes and supernova users who would buy Q9 as a game than there are Jaws users who would decide to buy Leasy based on the fact it comes with Q9. no, this chap isn't part of the community, but frankly if you just go acquiring random software and selling without a knolidge of your customer base or what good that software might do and think you can stuff it in a box as a job lot and sell to your usual customers, you are a Moron indeed! I hope he does see sense, or goes out of business, or that people pirate the game sinse I hate to see audiogames lost to posterity, especially for such a ridiculous reason as one man's short sighted greed. Of course as I said, none of this is Philip's fault, I just wish he'd sold the rights to someone less scummy, or more intelligent. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I would not pirate, because that is stealing. Period. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Dark, Fair enough. That seems to me to be a fair compromise. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but > currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop > > up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway > even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are > officially abandonware. > Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. > this is what the "unknown" license type is for, ie, we don't know what has > become of the game. > > I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, > > I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is > legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. > > If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll > > be glad to tell him what I think. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Tom. I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are officially abandonware. Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. this is what the "unknown" license type is for, ie, we don't know what has become of the game. I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll be glad to tell him what I think. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Tom. I wouldn't go as far as actually sending the guy hate mail, and I confess my wish that leasy fails was a little bit of bile on my part, however my thoughts on piracy are actually serious ones, sinse frankly if something is made unavailable, that is the time people are going to turn to piracy, even people who would not normally do so. This has as I said, already happened with the Bsc titles, code factory and bavisoft. While sending actual hate male and getting nasty is going further than I would, I can understand the impulse behind it sinse frankly this chap is behaving abominably, and yes, even if it is in line with business, that doesn't stop it being abominable (quite the reverse in fact sinse more frequently than not good business is just a psudonim for grasping and greedy). the game already exists as a stand alone program, it doesn't rquire jaws or any screen reader, there is absolutely no need for this, and I ultimately don't think it'll do him much good in the long run. As to the community, well it's part of the problem with any small community, bad feelings go further sinse there is no getting away from them, (look at the salem witch trials). As I said, actually attacking the guy for all I my less than stellar opinion of what he's doing to such a great game as Q9 is far further than I would go, and I do understand the impulse behind it even if I don't agree with the behaviour. Beware the grue! DArk. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Oh, look at what you just sent. You must be very brave. I'm not going to do anything, but that doesn't sound like a good idea > On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Devin Prater wrote: > > I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to > interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the > thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to > try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive > and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: >> >> Hi Dark, >> >> Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and >> no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that >> happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell >> single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, >> something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable >> people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally >> know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not >> already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that >> use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it >> instead, and that is a fact. >> >> >> >>> On 7/28/15, dark wrote: >>> Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more >>> deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a >>> >>> very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. >>> >>> If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the >>> game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the >>> community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc >>> >>> games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. >>> >>> Beware the grue! >>> >>> Dark. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Josh, Yeah, of course it isn't fair. From now on if someone wants the game they have to pirate it. Sad but true. There is no longer a legal way to affordably purchase the game. On 7/28/15, Josh K wrote: > but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone > version? now they cannot get it at all! > > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Dark, Honestly I wouldn't blame you a bit for doing that. I'd be perfectly okay with you just wiping it from the Audiogames.net database,, because the way I feel about it as long as Brian Hartgen refuses to sell single end user licenses for Q9 the game is basically unavailable for all intents and purposes. If he won't honor this communities wishes for a way to buy the game separate from Leasey then I see no need to support him in any way, shape, or form by advertising his products on Audiogames.net or Audyssey. Let him find his own outlets and methods of selling the game, but we do not have to participate. Petty revenge some might say, but he doesn't deserve respect or acknowledgement after the way he is handling this transaction. As it so happens I have been working on some site updates to Audyssey, creating a searchable index of games, etc and I've decided in light of his attitude to just drop Q9 from the index. As far as Audyssey is concerned the game does not exist. If Brian Hartgen wants our index to include the game then he is going to have to make a stand alone version available or be excluded. I do not support or endorse the way he is selling the game as part of Leasey, I think that is wrong, and it will be reflected in the up and coming site updates as Q9 for all intents and purposes no longer exists to my mind. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: > Well Tom, in that case he can bugger off as well! > > Ive got half a mind to change the license type to "unknown" for Q9 in the > audiogames.net db and put a note to the effect similar to those on the bsc > games that the developer, ie, philip is no longer selling the game and it is > > legally unavailable, sinse hay if this prat won't support the community, why > > should that community support him? > > Then again, even if I just wrote the truth that the game is only now > available with a package software deal that requires a Jaws license and even > > for someone with a Jaws license will cost $150, I doubt it'll improve his > sales figures anyway :D. > > > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Of course its not fair. That's why we scorn the name of that Jaws fetishist. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Josh K wrote: > > but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone version? > now they cannot get it at all! > > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 > >> On 7/28/2015 4:43 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> Legally, nope. >> >>> On 7/28/15, Josh K wrote: >>> can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who >>> don't want to buy jaws and leesy? >>> >>> follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 >>> On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that "new games will come" But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home > Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There > is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't > reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New > games will come, with developers with new creativity and better > sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth >> wrote: >> >> Hi Philip, >> >> I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally >> understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being >> paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing >> the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement >> for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the >> pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? >> >> Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through >> Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? >> >> Scott >> >>> On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall wrote: >>> Hi again, >>> >>> Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as >>> to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic >>> under >>> general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the >>> questions there. >>> >>> http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of >>> the list, >>> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
I'm willing to bet that some cool hacker will make an add-on for NVDA to interface with that Jaws-fetish software that I can't spell. Then buying the thing wouldn't exactly be all that wasteful, although I'd rather pirate it to try it out for 30 minutes or so just to see how mind-numbingly restrictive and basic it is, than buy it, then throw it away. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: > > Hi Dark, > > Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and > no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that > happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell > single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, > something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable > people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally > know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not > already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that > use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it > instead, and that is a fact. > > > >> On 7/28/15, dark wrote: >> Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more >> deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a >> >> very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. >> >> If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the >> game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the >> community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc >> >> games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. >> >> Beware the grue! >> >> Dark. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
but that's not fair! what if someone wants to buy the stand alone version? now they cannot get it at all! follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 4:43 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Legally, nope. On 7/28/15, Josh K wrote: can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that "new games will come" But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.or
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Dark, I agree. Selling Q9 as a separate product might do him more good than including it as an add-on for Leasey, but apparently he thinks otherwise. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to care what we think and I don't see that situation changing any time soon. As for your feelings on the matter I'm pretty certain a lot of others are wishing him and his business ill will right now. He said in his most recent blog post that he has been getting a lot of hate mail over this, and I'm not surprised. As a recipient of some of that hate mail myself I know how nasty this community can be when something gets them upset over something. So I wouldn't be surprised if there are others who think as you do that are hoping Leasey fails, that Brian goes financially bankrupt, or someone pirates his software into oblivion. None of which are a bit realistic, but I guess if it helps quell someone's rage to dream about such things they will. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: > Well tom, good business practice and moron hood are not mutually exclusive > concepts :D. > > Ultimately Q9 would do him more good as a stand alone program than just as a > > little extra addon for his Leasy thing, sinse I suspect there are far more > potential Nvda, window eyes and supernova users who would buy Q9 as a game > than there are Jaws users who would decide to buy Leasy based on the fact it > > comes with Q9. > > no, this chap isn't part of the community, but frankly if you just go > acquiring random software and selling without a knolidge of your customer > base or what good that software might do and think you can stuff it in a box > > as a job lot and sell to your usual customers, you are a Moron indeed! > > I hope he does see sense, or goes out of business, or that people pirate the > > game sinse I hate to see audiogames lost to posterity, especially for such a > > ridiculous reason as one man's short sighted greed. > > Of course as I said, none of this is Philip's fault, I just wish he'd sold > the rights to someone less scummy, or more intelligent. > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
All I'll say is that a non-gamer should never even attempt to actually sell a game. He usually screws up and makes everyone mad in the process. Now, he'll get fewer, I'm willing to bet, purchases of his Jaws-fetishist product than he would have if he'd stuck to his element and just kept slobbering over his first love, Jaws. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: > > Hi Dark, > > Not sure I'd go as far to call Brian Hartgen a moron since his reasons > for not selling Q9 separately makes sense from a certain business > point of view. As I understand it his entire purpose of acquiring the > game was not to sell the game but to use it to add onto his Leasey > product, to boost sales of Leasey, so seen from that perspective it > makes sense. There is a lot that could be said here greedy, scummy, > unfair, etc but the bottom line is he won't sell the game as a stand > alone product because it was never his intention to do it that way. He > is bundling it into his Leasey product and if you want it you have to > pay the big bucks for Leasey. > > To be honest I don't think Brian Hartgen really thought about the > ramifications of what this would do and how angry this would make the > audio games community. He saw this as a simple business transaction, > one in which would boost sales of Leasey, and he didn't care if it > effectively took Q9 off the market. He is not a game developer per se, > and thus he has no ties to the community the way many long time audio > game developers do. So he just does not see it the same way we see it. > To him Q9 is just another piece of software to be sold or added to > Leasey rather than sold as a separately existing product. > >> On 7/28/15, dark wrote: >> Well then he shal recieve my scorn for being a moron! Really, not selling >> something to people is a great way to run a business. >> >> Dark. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Lol, you could, obviously, but Mister Hard Gin might sue you. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Josh K wrote: > > can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't > want to buy jaws and leesy? > > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 > >> On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: >> It is true that "new games will come" >> But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when >> something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of >> deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally >> unavailable forever more amen. >> >> I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of >> what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. >> >> All the best, >> >> Dark. >> - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home >> >> >>> Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is >>> literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim >>> it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, >>> with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its >>> Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott > On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall wrote: > Hi again, > > Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as > to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under > general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the > questions there. > > http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 > > Kind regards, > > Philip Bennefall >> On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 >> is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from >> Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey >> package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can >> continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and >> can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Philip Bennefall >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> . >> > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audysse
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
There might be a chance of Phillip having your order details somewhere, but I wouldn't bet on it, especially after a while. Might be worth getting in touch though, just in case. -- From: "Jessica |M" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 19:07 To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home |I bought Q9 several years ago, and had fun playing it. The computer I ran it on isn't functional these days, and I somehow lost track of my authorization key, so it's a shame I'll not be able to play it again unless I want to pay nearly $200, something |I'm not about to do. Firstly, it's because |I don't have that kind of money to spare, and secondly, like others have said, I believe it's unfair to make interested parties pay that price, just to be able to play a game, and bundle it with software they won't use otherwise. I haven't kept with Leasey, but this prompts me to go search out just exactly what it is, out of curiosity. Brian will be the one who eventually will lose money by not selling the game separately, as many more people are willing to pay 20 or 30 bucks for a game, than they would be to shell out five times that much. A majority of us are on low income, so couldn't afford such a thing, even if some of us otherwise might pay that kind of price, which is unlikely to begin with. At 04:15 PM 7/28/2015, you wrote: >Hi Josh, > > From a legal point of view the answer is no. It would be considered >piracy to give your product key to anyone who wants it. > >That said, there is a saying that fits. Anything is legal as long as >you don't get caught. Giving out your key would not technically be >legal or ethical, but as long as you didn't get caught at it you could >do whatever you wanted. > > >On 7/28/15, Josh K wrote: > > can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who > > don't want to buy jaws and leesy? > > > > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 > > > >--- >Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
|I bought Q9 several years ago, and had fun playing it. The computer I ran it on isn't functional these days, and I somehow lost track of my authorization key, so it's a shame I'll not be able to play it again unless I want to pay nearly $200, something |I'm not about to do. Firstly, it's because |I don't have that kind of money to spare, and secondly, like others have said, I believe it's unfair to make interested parties pay that price, just to be able to play a game, and bundle it with software they won't use otherwise. I haven't kept with Leasey, but this prompts me to go search out just exactly what it is, out of curiosity. Brian will be the one who eventually will lose money by not selling the game separately, as many more people are willing to pay 20 or 30 bucks for a game, than they would be to shell out five times that much. A majority of us are on low income, so couldn't afford such a thing, even if some of us otherwise might pay that kind of price, which is unlikely to begin with. At 04:15 PM 7/28/2015, you wrote: Hi Josh, From a legal point of view the answer is no. It would be considered piracy to give your product key to anyone who wants it. That said, there is a saying that fits. Anything is legal as long as you don't get caught. Giving out your key would not technically be legal or ethical, but as long as you didn't get caught at it you could do whatever you wanted. On 7/28/15, Josh K wrote: > can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who > don't want to buy jaws and leesy? > > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Well Tom, in that case he can bugger off as well! Ive got half a mind to change the license type to "unknown" for Q9 in the audiogames.net db and put a note to the effect similar to those on the bsc games that the developer, ie, philip is no longer selling the game and it is legally unavailable, sinse hay if this prat won't support the community, why should that community support him? Then again, even if I just wrote the truth that the game is only now available with a package software deal that requires a Jaws license and even for someone with a Jaws license will cost $150, I doubt it'll improve his sales figures anyway :D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] adventure to fate question
Hi Darren. Battle arena is all about the battles, there isn't any exploring or what not (that will come in the next game, you go to the arena, and you fight, then you go to the shop or vault and gear up or build new stuff). You can move on to the next zone when you've completed all the battles in the current zone. As to how to tell, when you double click on the arena square, you'll get some info on the top of the screen showing what your fighting an what loot will be next, also how many days the tournament has gone on. There is also a percentage meater and when that hits %100 you have finished all the battles in that area. Also note the "previous battle" button, sinse you can go back and replay previous battles for gold, xp or crafting materials. hth. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Dark, Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. I've read his blog posts regarding Q9 and he sees Q9 as just another piece of software to be purchased and added to his Leasey product. Nothing more, and nothing less. So he does not realize the value of what he owns because as happens all too often in business he just sees Q9 as a business transaction and I don't even think he cares about the product itself other than what it can do to boost sales of Leasey. This community means nothing to him, and we all can bugger off. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: > It is true that "new games will come" > But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when > > something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of > > deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally > > unavailable forever more amen. > > I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of > what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. > > All the best, > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Dark, Agreed. I wouldn't blame anyone for pirating the game in secret, and no I can't feel sorry or any sympathy for Brian Hartgen if that happens because its his own fault. Someone who clearly refuses to sell single end user licenses to include it in a more expensive product, something many people don't need, is just begging for disreputable people to rip it off as fast as possible. Although, I don't personally know of any such instances I wouldn't be surprised if this has not already happened. People won't buy Leasey just to acquire a game that use to sell for a fraction of the price. If they can they'll pirate it instead, and that is a fact. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: > Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more > deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a > > very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. > > If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the > game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the > community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc > > games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Well tom, good business practice and moron hood are not mutually exclusive concepts :D. Ultimately Q9 would do him more good as a stand alone program than just as a little extra addon for his Leasy thing, sinse I suspect there are far more potential Nvda, window eyes and supernova users who would buy Q9 as a game than there are Jaws users who would decide to buy Leasy based on the fact it comes with Q9. no, this chap isn't part of the community, but frankly if you just go acquiring random software and selling without a knolidge of your customer base or what good that software might do and think you can stuff it in a box as a job lot and sell to your usual customers, you are a Moron indeed! I hope he does see sense, or goes out of business, or that people pirate the game sinse I hate to see audiogames lost to posterity, especially for such a ridiculous reason as one man's short sighted greed. Of course as I said, none of this is Philip's fault, I just wish he'd sold the rights to someone less scummy, or more intelligent. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Dark, Not sure I'd go as far to call Brian Hartgen a moron since his reasons for not selling Q9 separately makes sense from a certain business point of view. As I understand it his entire purpose of acquiring the game was not to sell the game but to use it to add onto his Leasey product, to boost sales of Leasey, so seen from that perspective it makes sense. There is a lot that could be said here greedy, scummy, unfair, etc but the bottom line is he won't sell the game as a stand alone product because it was never his intention to do it that way. He is bundling it into his Leasey product and if you want it you have to pay the big bucks for Leasey. To be honest I don't think Brian Hartgen really thought about the ramifications of what this would do and how angry this would make the audio games community. He saw this as a simple business transaction, one in which would boost sales of Leasey, and he didn't care if it effectively took Q9 off the market. He is not a game developer per se, and thus he has no ties to the community the way many long time audio game developers do. So he just does not see it the same way we see it. To him Q9 is just another piece of software to be sold or added to Leasey rather than sold as a separately existing product. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: > Well then he shal recieve my scorn for being a moron! Really, not selling > something to people is a great way to run a business. > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Well Tom It's a great shame Philip couldn't sell his game to a more deserving party, not that I blaime him for this Brian fellow's stupidity, a very blind man indeed if he can't realize what he's got :D. If this is truly the case I would not be sorry for someone to pirate the game as has already happened with the Bsc titles just to keep it in the community, oh and no, I don't know about any pirated copies of the bsc games hanging aaround, such a thing is just a supposition by me. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Josh, >From a legal point of view the answer is no. It would be considered piracy to give your product key to anyone who wants it. That said, there is a saying that fits. Anything is legal as long as you don't get caught. Giving out your key would not technically be legal or ethical, but as long as you didn't get caught at it you could do whatever you wanted. On 7/28/15, Josh K wrote: > can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who > don't want to buy jaws and leesy? > > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Dark, I sincerely doubt it. The way I gathered BrianHartgen's over all attitude at acquiring Q9 is it was simply a business transaction no more no more less. He doesn't have the audio gaming community at heart here because he's not thinking about anyone's feelings, likes or dislikes, and merely seeing what this transaction will do for his Leasey product. I get the feeling we can all go jump in a lake for all he cares since he is not a game developer per se. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: > It is true that "new games will come" > But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when > > something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of > > deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally > > unavailable forever more amen. > > I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of > what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. > > All the best, > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] GMA tank commander sound library
Awesome, thanks for the info. -- From: "Phil Vlasak" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 16:24 To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] GMA tank commander sound library Hi John, I'm the person who edited and mixed the sounds for Tank Commander. I purchased some of them from Sound Ideas, a company that sells individual sounds, www.sound-ideas.com and I also got them from my sound effects CD collection. Authentic Sound Effects, Vol. 2 cars and transport Authentic Sound Effects, Vol. 3 war, animals, sports, glass 500+ Sound Effects Phil - Original Message - From: "john" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 12:31 PM Subject: [Audyssey] GMA tank commander sound library > Hi all, > I was doing a bit of sound work recently, and started thinking about the > tank commander sounds. Therefore, does anybody know where they came > from/how much they'd cost to get a hold of? I've seen them used in a > couple games, but have no clue where they're actually from. > > Thanks, > John > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1434 / Virus Database: 4365/9822 - Release Date: 07/28/15 > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Legally, nope. On 7/28/15, Josh K wrote: > can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who > don't want to buy jaws and leesy? > > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 > > On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: >> It is true that "new games will come" >> But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame >> when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got >> such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially >> making them legally unavailable forever more amen. >> >> I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value >> of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. >> >> All the best, >> >> Dark. >> - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" >> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home >> >> >>> Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There >>> is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't >>> reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New >>> games will come, with developers with new creativity and better >>> sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott > On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall wrote: > Hi again, > > Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as > to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic > under > general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the > questions there. > > http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 > > Kind regards, > > Philip Bennefall >> On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know >> that Q9 >> is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from >> Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey >> package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can >> continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and >> can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Philip Bennefall >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> . >> > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of > the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> ht
Re: [Audyssey] GMA tank commander sound library
Hi John, I'm the person who edited and mixed the sounds for Tank Commander. I purchased some of them from Sound Ideas, a company that sells individual sounds, www.sound-ideas.com and I also got them from my sound effects CD collection. Authentic Sound Effects, Vol. 2 cars and transport Authentic Sound Effects, Vol. 3 war, animals, sports, glass 500+ Sound Effects Phil - Original Message - From: "john" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 12:31 PM Subject: [Audyssey] GMA tank commander sound library Hi all, I was doing a bit of sound work recently, and started thinking about the tank commander sounds. Therefore, does anybody know where they came from/how much they'd cost to get a hold of? I've seen them used in a couple games, but have no clue where they're actually from. Thanks, John --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1434 / Virus Database: 4365/9822 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] adventure to fate question
Hi, Am playing adventure to fate. It's not too bad. Accept I keep having to go into the same battle arina to fight various things. It won't let me pass to the next one saying that the level is incomplete. How exactly do I complete each arina? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
can I give my q9 standard version key to people who want q9 but who don't want to buy jaws and leesy? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/28/2015 11:01 AM, dark wrote: It is true that "new games will come" But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Well then he shal recieve my scorn for being a moron! Really, not selling something to people is a great way to run a business. Dark. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Unfortunately from what I hear Brian Hartgen isn't willing to go that route. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 8:59 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home As I sid in that topic, I don't feel any animocity towards Philip, he deserves paying for his time, but I do think this is a bad consequence for anyone who might want to play the game i the future and doesn't want to either by jaws or leasy, (which itself is not cheap either). I do think the leasy developers are being extremely narrow minded here and just using the game as a bonus item on their sales of jaws specific products, rather than treating philip's work with the respect it deserves, or allowing it to be available to as wide an audience as possible, and as I said, I do hope Philip will take steps to at least see if the people be hind leasy will consider selling the game as a stand alone version in the future. After all, such a decision can only be of bennifit to them sinse if someone buys the game who would never ordinarily buy Leasy or Jaws, say a Supernova or Window eyes or nvda user, well they get a prophet they wouldn't have had normally, someone else gets access to the game, and all are happy. It's not even as if Q9 needs to output to a screen reader specifically sinse it's entirely self voicing. The restriction as I said is disrespectful to Philip's work and the community, and indeed yet another division of a minority, and as I said while I am fully aware Philip is not responsable for this, I will say my opinion of the developers of Leasy who are imposing this needless restriction and turning a quite legitimate stand alone game into just an extra for their existing jaws specific software is not high. Hopefully, Philip will be able to convince them to give the game the respect and availability it deserves and see sense. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] GMA tank commander sound library
Hi all, I was doing a bit of sound work recently, and started thinking about the tank commander sounds. Therefore, does anybody know where they came from/how much they'd cost to get a hold of? I've seen them used in a couple games, but have no clue where they're actually from. Thanks, John --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Unfortunately from what I hear Brian Hartgen isn't willing to go that route. Focus your powers and prepare for buttle. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 8:59 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home As I sid in that topic, I don't feel any animocity towards Philip, he deserves paying for his time, but I do think this is a bad consequence for anyone who might want to play the game i the future and doesn't want to either by jaws or leasy, (which itself is not cheap either). I do think the leasy developers are being extremely narrow minded here and just using the game as a bonus item on their sales of jaws specific products, rather than treating philip's work with the respect it deserves, or allowing it to be available to as wide an audience as possible, and as I said, I do hope Philip will take steps to at least see if the people be hind leasy will consider selling the game as a stand alone version in the future. After all, such a decision can only be of bennifit to them sinse if someone buys the game who would never ordinarily buy Leasy or Jaws, say a Supernova or Window eyes or nvda user, well they get a prophet they wouldn't have had normally, someone else gets access to the game, and all are happy. It's not even as if Q9 needs to output to a screen reader specifically sinse it's entirely self voicing. The restriction as I said is disrespectful to Philip's work and the community, and indeed yet another division of a minority, and as I said while I am fully aware Philip is not responsable for this, I will say my opinion of the developers of Leasy who are imposing this needless restriction and turning a quite legitimate stand alone game into just an extra for their existing jaws specific software is not high. Hopefully, Philip will be able to convince them to give the game the respect and availability it deserves and see sense. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
It is true that "new games will come" But with the number of audio games being so small, it's always a shame when something is lost, this is one reason why justin Dobemire got such a lot of deserved flack for what he did to bsc games, essentially making them legally unavailable forever more amen. I hope as I said, this twit who develops leasy will realize the value of what he owns and treat it with the respect it deserves. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Philip legally doesn't even own the product he created anymore. There is literally nothing he can do. He can't sell his own game, he can't reclaim it, its just not his anymore. But y'all don't worry. New games will come, with developers with new creativity and better sense, and Liesy and its Jaws fetish will rise and it'll fall. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hi Philip, I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? Scott On 7/24/15, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi again, Just wanted to follow up briefly and point those who have questions as to why I transferred the rights of Q9, to the audiogames.net topic under general game discussion. Hopefully I have managed to answer all the questions there. http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=225202#p225202 Kind regards, Philip Bennefall On 7/23/2015 4:17 PM, Philip Bennefall wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick announcement to let you all know that Q9 is moving. From today, the Q9 action game will no longer be sold from Blastbay Studios but will instead be available as part of the Leasey package (www.leaseycentral.com). Of course, all existing users can continue to play the game normally; all issued keys remain valid and can be reused if you format your PC or buy a new one. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
As I sid in that topic, I don't feel any animocity towards Philip, he deserves paying for his time, but I do think this is a bad consequence for anyone who might want to play the game i the future and doesn't want to either by jaws or leasy, (which itself is not cheap either). I do think the leasy developers are being extremely narrow minded here and just using the game as a bonus item on their sales of jaws specific products, rather than treating philip's work with the respect it deserves, or allowing it to be available to as wide an audience as possible, and as I said, I do hope Philip will take steps to at least see if the people be hind leasy will consider selling the game as a stand alone version in the future. After all, such a decision can only be of bennifit to them sinse if someone buys the game who would never ordinarily buy Leasy or Jaws, say a Supernova or Window eyes or nvda user, well they get a prophet they wouldn't have had normally, someone else gets access to the game, and all are happy. It's not even as if Q9 needs to output to a screen reader specifically sinse it's entirely self voicing. The restriction as I said is disrespectful to Philip's work and the community, and indeed yet another division of a minority, and as I said while I am fully aware Philip is not responsable for this, I will say my opinion of the developers of Leasy who are imposing this needless restriction and turning a quite legitimate stand alone game into just an extra for their existing jaws specific software is not high. Hopefully, Philip will be able to convince them to give the game the respect and availability it deserves and see sense. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the wastes
Hi. sorry for the late reply, my computer got a crashing error and I've been out of circulation sinse saturday. As to the game, no, you can run from the exe file, no command prompt required, or at least I've not needed one at all. Mining will be fixed in the future, though when is anyone's guess, you can stop mining by hitting escape. As for scrolling the window with nvda, no idea, in supernoa I can emulate mouse wheel movement with s and w, you could try just moving the mouse wheel manually, sinse if you spin it down the window should scroll upwards. Hth. Dark. - Original Message - From: "Dakotah Rickard" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the wastes Hi. First of all, should I be running this from the command prompt? Second, I play it with NVDA, and the window doesn't let me look inside to scroll about and review text. Any advice? Signed: Dakotah Rickard On Jul 18, 2015, at 19:18, john wrote: Dark: I didn't see this anywhere, but you seem to know more about development than me. Do you know if mining's going to be fixed (right now it infinitely scrolls)? The only way I could find to make it stop was to kill the program with ctrl c, which really isn't what I want to do. -- From: "dark" Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 19:15 To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the wastes Hi Jeremy. The town scrolling thing is a known problem and will e fixed, for now any method of emulating mouse wheel movement should do, in supernova I just hit w a few times,heck you might even be able to just use your mouse wheel anyway. The towns will be fixed, but right now Huw the developer is working on the inventory and lots of fun extra objects like weapons and armour carried by your enemies, trading resources, loot, food, plants books to read and lots of other good stuff. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Brown" To: "gamers" Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the wastes I have to second Dark's comments about the game. I had no problems downloading the zip file, and it is a fun game. I wish the town information didn't scroll so much, in larger towns, I was reduced to guessing about where shops were as most of the buildings I could see were shacks:) Still, it's a lot of fun, and I was glad to see a game like this still being developed and supported. Take care, Jeremy -- In the fight between you and the world--back the world! Frank Zapa --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamer
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home
Hi Scott, Unfortunately, no. Philip has sold all rights and legal responsibilities for Q9 to Brian Hartgen which means there is no longer any way for him to sell single licenses through Blastbay even if he wanted to. Brian Hartgen now holds all rights to the game, and from what I've read on his blog he is unwilling to sell single licenses. So people who didn't buy the game when it was available through Blastbay are now screwed. Cheers! On 7/27/15, Scott Chesworth wrote: > Hi Philip, > > I've read the AudioGames topic you linked to, and whilst I totally > understand your decision to transfer ownership as a means of being > paid for the time you've put into developing Q9, I can't help echoing > the thoughts of many in that discussion that JAWS being a requirement > for Q9 is a shame. A decade ago when JAWS was the biggest fish in the > pond, this would've made more sense, but nowadays...? > > Is there no scope to offer an alternative sales channel through > Blastbay for people who don't use JAWS? > > Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
