Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Actually sean, there are several Eamon deluxe adventures based on middle earth and lord of the rings. converted to Eamon deluxe format thus far there is tom zuchowski's thror's ring, (a very exceptional adventure set in moria), and Sam Ruby's game the mines of moria (less good but still fun). There is also sam Ruby's game the forest of fear, based on a raid into mirkwood to rescue aragorn, (a heavy combat hack but a decent one), his adventure the ring of doom based on the last part of lotr throwing the ring into the fire (good fun), an also his game set in the second age The Iron Prison based on a raide into Angband. Yet to be converted are sam ruby's more complex games the return to Moria, The quest for erebor (based on the hobbit), the hunt for the ring (based on the first part of lotr), and haradwaith, which involves infiltrating the harad lands. These will doubtless be converted to eamon deluxe in the future, along with Sam ruby's original games. Hth. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Well, the OCR process ran through, but, didn't return perfectly clean results, but, it's a free bit of software, so let's see... Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format tahnks will go take a look. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger ja...@blindza.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format On this page, they list/offer 4 sort of real interactive fiction narnia eBooks, but, they seem to be scanned page PDF files, inside zip files, and am busy running one of them through PDF2TXT's OCR functionality to see if it's readable/usable at all, but, would also assume/expect that there would be some actual infocom/glulx interactive fiction games out there based on the world of narnia, as such - but anyway: http://www.abandonia.com/fr/gamebooks Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format NOw i wish i was a programer i'd make a narnia game for us and a game based on watership down by richard adams, if there is one tell me someone please. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format And i got myself in to strife for mentioning the chronicles of narnia purely bvecause one person thought those books evil because they were fantasy and she doesn't believe that fantasy should be read due to her religion now getting back to games are their any games based on the narnia books, similar to sara based on harry potter. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi I to would like to see a accessible lord of the rings game where you can pick who you want to be and go through the game as that person say for instence Gandalf or Frodo or Golum. and I like the idea of a side scroler or fps lord of the rings game. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Interesting idea, but if not a roll playing game what kind of game would your ideal Lord of the Rings game be. Would it be a side-scroller, FPS, what? Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
I wouldn't hold my breath. Most of the LOTR games out there aren't that good. There was one for the Super Nintendo that, while it featured an excellently Tolkien-ish soundtrack, was in ever other way a total mess. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Lisa Hayes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I would prefer it follow the books more than the movies. Oh I love the movies, don't get me wrong, but Peter Jackson did make some changes that explicitly went against Tolkien's writings. That scene with Faramir for one thing. And I didn't entirely care for the way he remade Aragorn. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Mich Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
wEll i won't hold myu breath, but it's worth dreaming and who knows someday one of our good developers might just do a lord of the rings or hobbit game. Hint HInt thomas. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I wouldn't hold my breath. Most of the LOTR games out there aren't that good. There was one for the Super Nintendo that, while it featured an excellently Tolkien-ish soundtrack, was in ever other way a total mess. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Lisa Hayes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
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Agreedd Brian i'd like any game to follow the books, the potter movies did for the most part, but the ending of movie three was strange. id love to see harry potter games, but how hard they'd be firstlyy to get copy right and secondly how complex to write. Just my lisaerish thoughts. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would prefer it follow the books more than the movies. Oh I love the movies, don't get me wrong, but Peter Jackson did make some changes that explicitly went against Tolkien's writings. That scene with Faramir for one thing. And I didn't entirely care for the way he remade Aragorn. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Mich Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
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Same with LOTR. You'd have to get a copyright license or whatever. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Lisa Hayes Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 5:56 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Agreedd Brian i'd like any game to follow the books, the potter movies did for the most part, but the ending of movie three was strange. id love to see harry potter games, but how hard they'd be firstlyy to get copy right and secondly how complex to write. Just my lisaerish thoughts. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would prefer it follow the books more than the movies. Oh I love the movies, don't get me wrong, but Peter Jackson did make some changes that explicitly went against Tolkien's writings. That scene with Faramir for one thing. And I didn't entirely care for the way he remade Aragorn. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Mich Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi all. on the topic of the narnia books and if they are christion yes they in deed are. I once red a book I think it was cald the man who created narnia and it was a byography but in that book the author took each narnia book and broke it down to show the christion ellaments for instence he would say something like azlind dieing on the stone table is the same as christ dieing on the cross. to me that just killd the books for me right there. I couldn't read them any more with out feeling like the christion message was beaing shuvd down my throte. so that is what I have to say about that. now as for a lord of the rings game I would love to see a lord of the rings game. maybe using clips from the movies. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow
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Hi tom. the issue of language specifically hasn't come up on audiogames.net yet, since mostly all the games we've seen that have bad language in them (particularly very offensive bad language), have been adult rated anyway. if however someone devised a game such as the old robocop arcade game which, under one settings had a mode where enemies said shit shit ! when robocop gunned them down, but was otherwise a fairly standard action game I'd probably put a warning, indeed I do as much for the gorey deaths in swamp or shades. Hmmm, the only game I can think of currently that fits that standard for language would be 3D velocity, so maybe it's worth me writing such a warning into the description just so people know what they're getting, I know it has some swearwords, since I had to reccord some myself during the course of the voice acting for the game, though that's sort of par for the course for a megalomaniacle insane dictator who wants to rule the world :D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi charlse. I'm not sure about a none rpg lotr game simply because of the subject matter. yes, there are now brawlers and other games based on the films, but those are heavily based around the battle sequences which peter jaxon heavily extended, indeed the battle of the hornburg in the two towers (or the battle of helms deep as most film fans know it), takes a grand total of ten pages in the entire book, does not feature the elves, and is over relatively quickly, particularly considdering that in the book only the fighting force of the rohirim was at the hornburg, not everyone else (theoden really comes across as an idiot in the films). Anyway, if we get on to film/book differences I could be hear all day, my point is that most of the games based on lotr that are not! rpgs are pretty battle exclusivee and thus really just fairly standard games as games go just with a lotr flavour. Myself, I'd like to see either A, a full on exploration rpg that let you walk the really large world of middle earth, or B, a strategic game set in the eldadays similar to castaways in which you could play either the first elves, dwarves, dunedain or easterlings and have to forge a home in the world under the depradations of Morgoth's creatures. Indeed that could be especially interesting since significant events, particularly the creation of the sun and moon, the return of the Noldor to middle earth and the war of wrath could have an affect on your settlement. the best lotr game I've played recently is the rpg adventure for the eamon system Thror's ring, written by Tom zuchowski, since the writting, the puzzles, the combat everything just really worked! to give you a good impression of Moria. i've also played a good few more by Sam Ruby (one of the most famous eamon rpg authors), and while those were lots of fun, some were simply combat fests and skimped a little on the description in some places which was a trifle disappointing. Still, if you want a good accessible rp game of lotr, I'd advise Eamon deluxe. Beware the Grue!¬ Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Bryan. Even by rpg standards that is bad. Plus, annoyingly enough that is apparently one spc set that cannot be wripped from the cartridge, so while it has a wonderful soundtrack I've never heard it in full, (if you know where I might get it please tell me). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Lisa. we already have a harry potter game actually in the form of the very good sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry, go to www.pcsgames.net and have a look. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I think she means a true Harry Potter game. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:37 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Lisa. we already have a harry potter game actually in the form of the very good sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry, go to www.pcsgames.net and have a look. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I only wish I knew. I'd love to get a copy myself. I've only seen two midi files of music from that game. Both were versions of the Hobiton theme. And one was quite off the mark and in any case was incomplete. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:36 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Bryan. Even by rpg standards that is bad. Plus, annoyingly enough that is apparently one spc set that cannot be wripped from the cartridge, so while it has a wonderful soundtrack I've never heard it in full, (if you know where I might get it please tell me). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Right. We haven't had a lot of games with swearing, but it was merely my point that informing parents that this or that game contains offensive language rather than rating a game for T for Teen makes a whole lot more sense to me. As it explains why this or that game was rated the way it was rated rather than telling parents here is what age we think your child has to be to play this game. Cheers! On 4/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. the issue of language specifically hasn't come up on audiogames.net yet, since mostly all the games we've seen that have bad language in them (particularly very offensive bad language), have been adult rated anyway. if however someone devised a game such as the old robocop arcade game which, under one settings had a mode where enemies said shit shit ! when robocop gunned them down, but was otherwise a fairly standard action game I'd probably put a warning, indeed I do as much for the gorey deaths in swamp or shades. Hmmm, the only game I can think of currently that fits that standard for language would be 3D velocity, so maybe it's worth me writing such a warning into the description just so people know what they're getting, I know it has some swearwords, since I had to reccord some myself during the course of the voice acting for the game, though that's sort of par for the course for a megalomaniacle insane dictator who wants to rule the world :D. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Lisa, There is the rub as usual. Any extremely popular series like Harry Potter is copyrighted to the max, and there is no way a small time developer like myself can come close to affording the royalties for it. Then, in order to actually do the game justice we would need actors and actresses to do the voice overs for Harry, Ron, Hermione, Draco, and anyone else we chose to use in the game. That could get expensive unless we got a good cast of volunteers which may or may not work out. Copyrights will forever be a problem for accessible game developers since we simply don't have the kind of funding to license this stuff from the copyright holders legally. Cheers! On 4/19/13, Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net wrote: Agreedd Brian i'd like any game to follow the books, the potter movies did for the most part, but the ending of movie three was strange. id love to see harry potter games, but how hard they'd be firstlyy to get copy right and secondly how complex to write. Just my lisaerish thoughts. Lisa Hayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. I agree, particularly given as we've said the often very arbitrary catagorizations that are usedd to determine what is wrated as teen etc. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark and Brian. A good place for soundtracks of all flavours is Galbadia Hotel, http://gh.ffshrine.org though I don't know whether they'll have the game soundtrack you specifically want, their collection is very extensive. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:43 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I only wish I knew. I'd love to get a copy myself. I've only seen two midi files of music from that game. Both were versions of the Hobiton theme. And one was quite off the mark and in any case was incomplete. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:36 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Bryan. Even by rpg standards that is bad. Plus, annoyingly enough that is apparently one spc set that cannot be wripped from the cartridge, so while it has a wonderful soundtrack I've never heard it in full, (if you know where I might get it please tell me). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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They don't. I checked. That particular soundtrack is apparently unrippable. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark and Brian. A good place for soundtracks of all flavours is Galbadia Hotel, http://gh.ffshrine.org though I don't know whether they'll have the game soundtrack you specifically want, their collection is very extensive. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Bryan Peterson Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:43 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I only wish I knew. I'd love to get a copy myself. I've only seen two midi files of music from that game. Both were versions of the Hobiton theme. And one was quite off the mark and in any case was incomplete. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:36 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Bryan. Even by rpg standards that is bad. Plus, annoyingly enough that is apparently one spc set that cannot be wripped from the cartridge, so while it has a wonderful soundtrack I've never heard it in full, (if you know where I might get it please tell me). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Ibrahim. I've known about galbadia for a while and have got various soundtracks from them, though last I checked they didn't have the snes lotr game, but I do know stuff gets uploaded frequently so it might be worth checking again. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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there is a lord of the rings well in a shorter version. its one of the eamon deluxe adventures. At 11:54 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: wEll i won't hold myu breath, but it's worth dreaming and who knows someday one of our good developers might just do a lord of the rings or hobbit game. Hint HInt thomas. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I wouldn't hold my breath. Most of the LOTR games out there aren't that good. There was one for the Super Nintendo that, while it featured an excellently Tolkien-ish soundtrack, was in ever other way a total mess. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Lisa Hayes Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
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Yes i know about that and will purchase, but brian's right i want a true game. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I think she means a true Harry Potter game. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:37 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Lisa. we already have a harry potter game actually in the form of the very good sarah and the castle of witchcraft and wizardry, go to www.pcsgames.net and have a look. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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NOw i wish i was a programer i'd make a narnia game for us and a game based on watership down by richard adams, if there is one tell me someone please. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format And i got myself in to strife for mentioning the chronicles of narnia purely bvecause one person thought those books evil because they were fantasy and she doesn't believe that fantasy should be read due to her religion now getting back to games are their any games based on the narnia books, similar to sara based on harry potter. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion and such a person should be able to tell if this or that is alright for a child, teen, or needs to be labeled for an adult based on its content. Something like Jim Kitchen's Battleship is fine for people of all ages, but Dungeon Master obviously needs to be labeled for adult gamers only. I think most people would agree with that assessment and would do the same if it were up to them. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Lol tom, heman too violent or satanic? with all the morality it included that is just insane! while I agree everyone has a slightly different opinion, some more extreme than others, equally there does need to be some sort of rationale worked out for such things and some thought given into it, especially when considdering wratings for sites like audiogames.net. for example, the game flexible survival is both a mud, and an rpg written
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On this page, they list/offer 4 sort of real interactive fiction narnia eBooks, but, they seem to be scanned page PDF files, inside zip files, and am busy running one of them through PDF2TXT's OCR functionality to see if it's readable/usable at all, but, would also assume/expect that there would be some actual infocom/glulx interactive fiction games out there based on the world of narnia, as such - but anyway: http://www.abandonia.com/fr/gamebooks Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format NOw i wish i was a programer i'd make a narnia game for us and a game based on watership down by richard adams, if there is one tell me someone please. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format And i got myself in to strife for mentioning the chronicles of narnia purely bvecause one person thought those books evil because they were fantasy and she doesn't believe that fantasy should be read due to her religion now getting back to games are their any games based on the narnia books, similar to sara based on harry potter. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion and such a person should be able to tell if this or that is alright for a child, teen, or needs to be labeled
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Hi Tom. Also I've noticed a massive gender bias. Violence or torment of a man is seen as far more acceptable than the same thing of a woman or a child (and lets not even get into the subject s/xual violence against men), a great example of this is the film kickass, which features the super hero hit girl who is a 12 year old girl who guns people down, knives them, and laughs about it often with lots of profane comments. That is sort of the point of kickass, it's intended to disturb people's perceptions, and indeed lots of crytics complained that hit girl's gender should be changed to male. Then again that is a debate for another day. Personally, while I agree with you cultural standards change, equally it would help if short, advisery messages appeared on various media forms. shows torture shows blood shows nudity, shows crime etc. That would likely be far more helpful than existing age ratings which are often worked out on a very silly system, since that depends upon what is actually! shown in subject matter, and simply gives parents or guardians the choice. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi tom. Well in terms of the views of religious fundamentalists, I do know tv stations such as scifi have started announcing programs that contain magic. To me this seems insane, and indeed most christians I encounter in Britain wouldn't hold such a view (I think the christians in Americ on average are far more extreme than what we see over hear), as compared to showing a child torture or s/xually explicite stuff, but again, simply a warning would do on this front. After all, if people don't want to watch something, they are quite free not to so long as they know what it contains first. As you said yourself the majority of this is fairly common sense, for instance if one of these magic hating loony christians saw sarah or even Aprone's game daytona they would obviously know it contained magic elements and could choose not to play if they so desired. what bothers me with such people is they try and inflict their views on everybody else! I am not personally comfortable with explicite adult material, and have therefore never played any of jim's adult games or text adventures like leather goddesses, but it would be totally wrong of me based pon that discomfort to remove such games from the audiogames.net db, or reffuse to create entries for them, though i do! make sure they are all of the appropriately adult genre so that anyone who downloads them knows what they are before hand and has an informed choice, indeed this is very mch the sort of system i'd advise, giving information without restriction and letting people make their own choice, or letting parents make the choice for kids who aren't responsable to. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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It also amuses me when christians disagree with magic on principle, because I have met several wickens who practice magic which they see simply as a practical way of praying to god or the goddess aspect of God depending upon the brand of wicken thus, a spell to rid yourself of trouble could be as simple as pouring your troubles into a cup full of water and pouring them away. it is no different to someone saying a conventional prayer, it's just done in a symbolic way much the way a catholic might say a rosery or indeed the way some churches use insents or the blessing o the cross. it's also worth remembering that most of the classic works of fantasy literature never actually mention! magic in spells. Lotr doesn't, indeed most of what is magic in the book is personal power, will and charisma, as well as powers of insite such as those of galadriel, while the Narnia books use the term magic directly to describe works of Aslan and the rules of the world, eg the deep magic before the dawn of time I don't believe harry potter has this sort of lexical info on magic or that jk has confirmed what it is, though as an interesting point it's worth remembering Arthur C clarke's dictum that any sufficiently advanced technology would appear as magic (I'm pretty sure people two or three hundred years ago would've thought tv, electric lights much less my ability to write this message and for it to be read all over the world instantly is pretty magical). So bringing this back to games, i really don't see the christian arguement or why someone wouldn't play a game like sarah or an rpg. Then again, I often find those sorts of views aren't really based on rationality, or any sort of reasonable expectation so much as just it looks wrong which, bringing this back to oursensorship discussion is why simply descriptions of what something roughly contains are likely the best, since then, if somebody objects to the word magic, they can just not play sarah or whatever, just the same way i myself avoid adult games. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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And they're probably based on the movies and not the books. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:34 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format And i got myself in to strife for mentioning the chronicles of narnia purely bvecause one person thought those books evil because they were fantasy and she doesn't believe that fantasy should be read due to her religion now getting back to games are their any games based on the narnia books, similar to sara based on harry potter. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion and such a person should be able to tell if this or that is alright for a child, teen, or needs to be labeled for an adult based on its content. Something like Jim Kitchen's Battleship is fine for people of all ages, but Dungeon Master obviously needs to be labeled for adult gamers only. I think most people would agree with that assessment and would do the same if it were up to them. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Lol tom, heman too violent or satanic? with all the morality it included that is just insane! while I agree everyone has a slightly different opinion, some more extreme than others, equally there does need to be some sort of rationale worked out for such things and some thought given into it, especially when considdering wratings for sites like audiogames.net. for example, the game flexible survival is both a mud, and an rpg written in glulx format, yet, because it's subject matter is exclusively s/xual in nature and it's descriptions can be pretty graphic, on audiogames.net it's catagorized as an adult
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Hi Shaun, Weather a Sith Lord is satanic or not really is beside the point. The point is that some religious people, note I said some, have tunnel vision when they look at secular games, movies, etc. Instead of taking an alien with powers as an alien with powers or a sorceress who uses magic for good at face value they always have to insinuate that there is something satanic or evil about it when that may not have even occurred to the author at all. They can't separate secular entertainment from their religious view of the world, and thus make unreasonable demands that this game, movie, book, whatever be banned when the majority of people would disagree with that opinion on secular grounds. Case in point. A few years ago a Georgia mother took her local grade school to court because she discovered they had recently purchased the Harry Potter books for the school library. She didn't want her child being exposed to those because in her opinion they were full of witchcraft and Satanism, and wanted the school library to outright ban the books from any child reading them. The case went all the way to the Georgia Supreme Court and eventually the court ruled in favor of the school on the grounds that a book can not be banned for religious reasons because it would violate the U.S.Constitutions First Amendment writes of freedom of speech and freedom of the press. What this goes to show is some religious people will scream bloody murder if their own personal freedoms of religion, press, and speech are effected in any way shape or form but they have no problems of taking those rights away from anyone else who doesn't share their religious views. A simple note to the principle or school librarian stating not to let her son check those books out of the library would have probably been fair, but this woman was waging a holy war to have the books totally removed from the school library even though she had no right under the U.S. Constitution to deny non-Christian children the right to read those books. This is an example of the extremes some Christian parents will go to in order to suppress things they don't want their children exposed to such as games, books, movies, etc. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well that could be semi true ok syth are not saten but probably could be, the profile for them is quite evil ultimately so, so they could be devels at least though never thought about that till now it does make sence in the way. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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My x Chelsey was like that whenever I'd play Lufia or Lunar. Lufia because mortals were opposing a god rather than paying homage to him, Lunar because instead of a god it was a goddess, Althena, who had four dragons and a special warrior known as a Dragonmaster to protect her. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Shaun, Weather a Sith Lord is satanic or not really is beside the point. The point is that some religious people, note I said some, have tunnel vision when they look at secular games, movies, etc. Instead of taking an alien with powers as an alien with powers or a sorceress who uses magic for good at face value they always have to insinuate that there is something satanic or evil about it when that may not have even occurred to the author at all. They can't separate secular entertainment from their religious view of the world, and thus make unreasonable demands that this game, movie, book, whatever be banned when the majority of people would disagree with that opinion on secular grounds. Case in point. A few years ago a Georgia mother took her local grade school to court because she discovered they had recently purchased the Harry Potter books for the school library. She didn't want her child being exposed to those because in her opinion they were full of witchcraft and Satanism, and wanted the school library to outright ban the books from any child reading them. The case went all the way to the Georgia Supreme Court and eventually the court ruled in favor of the school on the grounds that a book can not be banned for religious reasons because it would violate the U.S.Constitutions First Amendment writes of freedom of speech and freedom of the press. What this goes to show is some religious people will scream bloody murder if their own personal freedoms of religion, press, and speech are effected in any way shape or form but they have no problems of taking those rights away from anyone else who doesn't share their religious views. A simple note to the principle or school librarian stating not to let her son check those books out of the library would have probably been fair, but this woman was waging a holy war to have the books totally removed from the school library even though she had no right under the U.S. Constitution to deny non-Christian children the right to read those books. This is an example of the extremes some Christian parents will go to in order to suppress things they don't want their children exposed to such as games, books, movies, etc. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well that could be semi true ok syth are not saten but probably could be, the profile for them is quite evil ultimately so, so they could be devels at least though never thought about that till now it does make sence in the way. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Well, you are right. A lot of the censorship of games etc isn't based on any kind of rational discussion of the facts. If a game has a witch or wizard its automatically considered to be evil. Not because it really is evil as most people understand it today, but because of a verse in Deuteronomy that says Christians are not to be partakers of witchcraft, astrology, communicate with familiar spirits, etc. This of course then brings up the whole discussion of what exactly does it mean to be a partaker of it. Does it mean not to practice it or merely read a book or play a video game where the main character happens to be a witch or wizard. Apparently not even all Christians can agree on what partaking of witchcraft really means, and have to use their own personal judgment. Still, like you I think the simplest and best solution is simply not to download or play that type of game if a person finds it objectionable. I have played a lot of adult oriented games that have a little disclaimer at the beginning of the adventure which says if you find this game objectionable exit the game and don't play it. That's as simple and straight forward as you can get. Yet, for some reason some people have to make a big deal over it because they can't simply ignore it and let other people enjoy it if they want to. Such people just don't know how to be rational about their own beliefs I guess. Cheers! On 4/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: It also amuses me when christians disagree with magic on principle, because I have met several wickens who practice magic which they see simply as a practical way of praying to god or the goddess aspect of God depending upon the brand of wicken thus, a spell to rid yourself of trouble could be as simple as pouring your troubles into a cup full of water and pouring them away. it is no different to someone saying a conventional prayer, it's just done in a symbolic way much the way a catholic might say a rosery or indeed the way some churches use insents or the blessing o the cross. it's also worth remembering that most of the classic works of fantasy literature never actually mention! magic in spells. Lotr doesn't, indeed most of what is magic in the book is personal power, will and charisma, as well as powers of insite such as those of galadriel, while the Narnia books use the term magic directly to describe works of Aslan and the rules of the world, eg the deep magic before the dawn of time I don't believe harry potter has this sort of lexical info on magic or that jk has confirmed what it is, though as an interesting point it's worth remembering Arthur C clarke's dictum that any sufficiently advanced technology would appear as magic (I'm pretty sure people two or three hundred years ago would've thought tv, electric lights much less my ability to write this message and for it to be read all over the world instantly is pretty magical). So bringing this back to games, i really don't see the christian arguement or why someone wouldn't play a game like sarah or an rpg. Then again, I often find those sorts of views aren't really based on rationality, or any sort of reasonable expectation so much as just it looks wrong which, bringing this back to oursensorship discussion is why simply descriptions of what something roughly contains are likely the best, since then, if somebody objects to the word magic, they can just not play sarah or whatever, just the same way i myself avoid adult games. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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so do I, and when those that don't like them are in range I just don't run them. At 05:37 AM 4/19/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark, Well, you are right. A lot of the censorship of games etc isn't based on any kind of rational discussion of the facts. If a game has a witch or wizard its automatically considered to be evil. Not because it really is evil as most people understand it today, but because of a verse in Deuteronomy that says Christians are not to be partakers of witchcraft, astrology, communicate with familiar spirits, etc. This of course then brings up the whole discussion of what exactly does it mean to be a partaker of it. Does it mean not to practice it or merely read a book or play a video game where the main character happens to be a witch or wizard. Apparently not even all Christians can agree on what partaking of witchcraft really means, and have to use their own personal judgment. Still, like you I think the simplest and best solution is simply not to download or play that type of game if a person finds it objectionable. I have played a lot of adult oriented games that have a little disclaimer at the beginning of the adventure which says if you find this game objectionable exit the game and don't play it. That's as simple and straight forward as you can get. Yet, for some reason some people have to make a big deal over it because they can't simply ignore it and let other people enjoy it if they want to. Such people just don't know how to be rational about their own beliefs I guess. Cheers! On 4/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: It also amuses me when christians disagree with magic on principle, because I have met several wickens who practice magic which they see simply as a practical way of praying to god or the goddess aspect of God depending upon the brand of wicken thus, a spell to rid yourself of trouble could be as simple as pouring your troubles into a cup full of water and pouring them away. it is no different to someone saying a conventional prayer, it's just done in a symbolic way much the way a catholic might say a rosery or indeed the way some churches use insents or the blessing o the cross. it's also worth remembering that most of the classic works of fantasy literature never actually mention! magic in spells. Lotr doesn't, indeed most of what is magic in the book is personal power, will and charisma, as well as powers of insite such as those of galadriel, while the Narnia books use the term magic directly to describe works of Aslan and the rules of the world, eg the deep magic before the dawn of time I don't believe harry potter has this sort of lexical info on magic or that jk has confirmed what it is, though as an interesting point it's worth remembering Arthur C clarke's dictum that any sufficiently advanced technology would appear as magic (I'm pretty sure people two or three hundred years ago would've thought tv, electric lights much less my ability to write this message and for it to be read all over the world instantly is pretty magical). So bringing this back to games, i really don't see the christian arguement or why someone wouldn't play a game like sarah or an rpg. Then again, I often find those sorts of views aren't really based on rationality, or any sort of reasonable expectation so much as just it looks wrong which, bringing this back to oursensorship discussion is why simply descriptions of what something roughly contains are likely the best, since then, if somebody objects to the word magic, they can just not play sarah or whatever, just the same way i myself avoid adult games. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
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Hi Bryan, Been there and done that. I've known my share of people who expressed similar opinions about games, movies, or books I was interested in where they made a comment that if so and so prayed the problem would be solved. They seem to miss the point that it would be a pretty boring video game if a monk could pray and the evil sorcerer who was controlling the village went up in a puff of smoke, or a pretty boring movie if the hero prayed and all the enemies fell dead at his feet. Like come on people the whole point of playing a game or movie is to see how the hero or heroes overcome the trials and defeat the enemy not to see how quickly God delivers them from evil or whatever they think should happen. They don't seem to understand by trying to make everything Christian the world becomes a very boring and uninteresting place. They are not letting people's imagination and creativity guide the story, game, movie, etc they are trying to stick a square peg in a round hole because their ideas just don't work where religious views and secular games are concerned. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: My x Chelsey was like that whenever I'd play Lufia or Lunar. Lufia because mortals were opposing a god rather than paying homage to him, Lunar because instead of a god it was a goddess, Althena, who had four dragons and a special warrior known as a Dragonmaster to protect her. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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tahnks will go take a look. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger ja...@blindza.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format On this page, they list/offer 4 sort of real interactive fiction narnia eBooks, but, they seem to be scanned page PDF files, inside zip files, and am busy running one of them through PDF2TXT's OCR functionality to see if it's readable/usable at all, but, would also assume/expect that there would be some actual infocom/glulx interactive fiction games out there based on the world of narnia, as such - but anyway: http://www.abandonia.com/fr/gamebooks Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format NOw i wish i was a programer i'd make a narnia game for us and a game based on watership down by richard adams, if there is one tell me someone please. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format And i got myself in to strife for mentioning the chronicles of narnia purely bvecause one person thought those books evil because they were fantasy and she doesn't believe that fantasy should be read due to her religion now getting back to games are their any games based on the narnia books, similar to sara based on harry potter. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey
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HI Dark, Ah, well, there in lies the rub. There are people who must inflict their views or beliefs on everyone regardless if they share their views or not. The simplest solution is to simply not watch a movie or play a game they find personally offensive. However, for some of the right wing fundamentalist groups in this country it is their way or no way, and the courts are filled with cases where some right wing fundamentalist group or other took someone to court over a religious issue that was by and large a secular matter. Anyway, this is getting away from the issue of children's games so I'd like to steer things back onto topic now. Talking about religious debates is interesting, but not what this list is about. :D Cheers! On 4/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Well in terms of the views of religious fundamentalists, I do know tv stations such as scifi have started announcing programs that contain magic. To me this seems insane, and indeed most christians I encounter in Britain wouldn't hold such a view (I think the christians in Americ on average are far more extreme than what we see over hear), as compared to showing a child torture or s/xually explicite stuff, but again, simply a warning would do on this front. After all, if people don't want to watch something, they are quite free not to so long as they know what it contains first. As you said yourself the majority of this is fairly common sense, for instance if one of these magic hating loony christians saw sarah or even Aprone's game daytona they would obviously know it contained magic elements and could choose not to play if they so desired. what bothers me with such people is they try and inflict their views on everybody else! I am not personally comfortable with explicite adult material, and have therefore never played any of jim's adult games or text adventures like leather goddesses, but it would be totally wrong of me based pon that discomfort to remove such games from the audiogames.net db, or reffuse to create entries for them, though i do! make sure they are all of the appropriately adult genre so that anyone who downloads them knows what they are before hand and has an informed choice, indeed this is very mch the sort of system i'd advise, giving information without restriction and letting people make their own choice, or letting parents make the choice for kids who aren't responsable to. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Interesting point. I do think a content advisory rather than an age rating seems like a better way to go about it. Especially, since everyone's views are different on what is and isn't appropriate content. For example, remember our conversation a few months ago on Audiogames.net about offensive language. Not everyone feels the same way about cussing and swearing, and what might be considered a bad word in one family might be considered OK in another. So rather than saying a game is rated Teen or Mature based on language it might be better to say that this game may contain offensive language and be done with it. Specifically tell parents and guardians what they may or may not find offensive before letting their child download or buy it. Cheers! On 4/18/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Also I've noticed a massive gender bias. Violence or torment of a man is seen as far more acceptable than the same thing of a woman or a child (and lets not even get into the subject s/xual violence against men), a great example of this is the film kickass, which features the super hero hit girl who is a 12 year old girl who guns people down, knives them, and laughs about it often with lots of profane comments. That is sort of the point of kickass, it's intended to disturb people's perceptions, and indeed lots of crytics complained that hit girl's gender should be changed to male. Then again that is a debate for another day. Personally, while I agree with you cultural standards change, equally it would help if short, advisery messages appeared on various media forms. shows torture shows blood shows nudity, shows crime etc. That would likely be far more helpful than existing age ratings which are often worked out on a very silly system, since that depends upon what is actually! shown in subject matter, and simply gives parents or guardians the choice. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shaun, If you are talking about the Narnia books, games, and movies the answer is yes. C. S. Louis was a Christian, and according to his own commentary about the books he wanted to introduce children to bible concepts through fictional stories about animals and children. As a result that is why in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe Azlan is sacrificed and resurrects from the dead which was obviously meant to represent Christ's death and resurrection. In the Magicians Nephew the creation of Narnia takes on the format of the biblical creation. There are other examples, but by and large the Narnia books, though fantasy, are loosely based on the bible in their own way. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I thought they had some bible type things as their base though I have never really cared for fantasy as a whole genre myself adventure scifi and a few other humourous things are what I go for. Some fantasy loops round you know who must die you know who everything is, its not my type of thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I've even heard Lord of the Rings had some biblical elements in it, at least as far as some of te ordealsFrodo had to go through. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Shaun, If you are talking about the Narnia books, games, and movies the answer is yes. C. S. Louis was a Christian, and according to his own commentary about the books he wanted to introduce children to bible concepts through fictional stories about animals and children. As a result that is why in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe Azlan is sacrificed and resurrects from the dead which was obviously meant to represent Christ's death and resurrection. In the Magicians Nephew the creation of Narnia takes on the format of the biblical creation. There are other examples, but by and large the Narnia books, though fantasy, are loosely based on the bible in their own way. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I thought they had some bible type things as their base though I have never really cared for fantasy as a whole genre myself adventure scifi and a few other humourous things are what I go for. Some fantasy loops round you know who must die you know who everything is, its not my type of thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That's why I figure that some religious zealots don't even read what they try to raise Cain about, which only makes them out to be stupid. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Shaun, If you are talking about the Narnia books, games, and movies the answer is yes. C. S. Louis was a Christian, and according to his own commentary about the books he wanted to introduce children to bible concepts through fictional stories about animals and children. As a result that is why in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe Azlan is sacrificed and resurrects from the dead which was obviously meant to represent Christ's death and resurrection. In the Magicians Nephew the creation of Narnia takes on the format of the biblical creation. There are other examples, but by and large the Narnia books, though fantasy, are loosely based on the bible in their own way. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I thought they had some bible type things as their base though I have never really cared for fantasy as a whole genre myself adventure scifi and a few other humourous things are what I go for. Some fantasy loops round you know who must die you know who everything is, its not my type of thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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nOw charles what a grilliant idea and a version of the hobbit as well. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Charles, Agreed. A lot of the ignorance about the Narnia books, Harry Potter, whatever else comes down to the fact the people who say they are satanic etc have never read them or watched the movies. They are going by whatever someone else said which is sad. Anyway, there are some Narnia games out there, but I don't know of any designed for a blind gamer of course. The one my son plays is a Flash based game and can be played online and isn't accessible to us. Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well what I heard was rumour round local youth groups, it was ages ago and the group I was in went extreemist some years back and I quit, and a good thing to since they got into trouble later on however I was not near it at the time. At 12:19 PM 4/19/2013, you wrote: I've even heard Lord of the Rings had some biblical elements in it, at least as far as some of te ordealsFrodo had to go through. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Shaun, If you are talking about the Narnia books, games, and movies the answer is yes. C. S. Louis was a Christian, and according to his own commentary about the books he wanted to introduce children to bible concepts through fictional stories about animals and children. As a result that is why in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe Azlan is sacrificed and resurrects from the dead which was obviously meant to represent Christ's death and resurrection. In the Magicians Nephew the creation of Narnia takes on the format of the biblical creation. There are other examples, but by and large the Narnia books, though fantasy, are loosely based on the bible in their own way. Cheers! On 4/18/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I thought they had some bible type things as their base though I have never really cared for fantasy as a whole genre myself adventure scifi and a few other humourous things are what I go for. Some fantasy loops round you know who must die you know who everything is, its not my type of thing. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Interesting idea, but if not a roll playing game what kind of game would your ideal Lord of the Rings game be. Would it be a side-scroller, FPS, what? Cheers! On 4/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would also like to see accessible Lord of the Rings games that are not role playing games. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. Well, on the atmosphere front I would still be concerned at a child of around eight playing a game a game like shades of doom or swamp since I could imagine a child becoming quite bothered at that point. it was the horror atmosphere in shades that really grabbed my attention when i first played it myself. Also bare in mind an audio death with lots of squishing, crunching and bloody sound effects isn't any better for not showing the blood. Interestingly ennough, i've seen several people cryticize the doctor who audio range on this front, since some stories have audio representations of very gorey deaths, for instance one that got really slammed was necromantea which involved someone getting first his tongue, then his heart wripped out by a psychically empowered covern of alien witches, so just because there is no visible blood it still has an effect. of course, it depends upon the age of the child as you said, and it's not something I'd ever set a ban over, but I would suggest parents considder viewing a game like shades or swamp before showing it to kids under ten. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Lisa. There is nothing wrong with LGOP, I was playing that one when I was 10 and the Lude mode too. Compared to what is available today, both text based and graphically, LGOP is tame in comparison especially as it doesn't contain any real descriptions of sexual intercourse, its only hinted at and that quite obleakly in my view. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Lisa Hayes Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:40 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Got to agree with you here thomas i so do. leather godesses is a game i'd not let a child near either. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Definitely agree with you on the morality issue. I've already told my son, who is by the way 8, under no circumstances are we buying him GTA because his mother and I do not agree with the theft, gang wars, prostitution, and other content in that game. It is fine for an adult to play that kind of game if they want, but it is not suitable for an 8 year old child, and I question its suitability strictly on moral grounds. However, I still have my NES and I let him play a lot of the same games I had as a kid like Mario, Double Dragon, Legend of Kage, Ninja Turtles, etc. I'm not so worried about cartoon violence in such games as I don't think it influences people as much as some people think. It would be games like GTA that allows you to carry out crimes that I find unsuitable for a child. There are some games that might be unsuitable because of the scare factor. The game Silent Hill is very creepy and some of the gory stuff like blood dripping from the ceiling and walls could give a child nightmares. Every child is different of course, but as a general rule I would not give my son or any 8 year old a creepy game like that until he was maybe 13 just because some of the stuff is disturbing in that game, and a person has to be fairly mature to handle it properly.. I know my son was over at a cousin's house a couple of months ago, and he started getting nightmares. Turned out they were playing a game about demons and monsters that really scared him, and when my wife looked the game up on the Internet found out the game was for 16 and older and my son who is 8 was playing it and was terrified by it. So a parent has to really consider if the content will frighten a child or not. Fortunately, we don't really have any audio games that quite compares in terms of scare factor. About the only games I can think of that would be completely off limits to a child would be the adult oriented games like Dungeon Master, Triple J Shooter, and Coupling which are of a sexual nature. Plus there are a number of adult text adventures that can get pretty descriptive and also would be off limits. Beyond that most audio games could be rated E for everyone or T for teen for all practical purposes since they dont have the gore or the nudity found in mainstream games. Cheers! On 4/16/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Yes, your right about sarah, particularly with it's harry potter connections, though i do wonder about the action content since one thing that often grabs kids interest is fast action sequences, by which i don't mean violence, just things to overcome in a game. Monkey business might work too, though i do confess I am not keen on that game due to the navaid and lack of precision in the audio, and would worry that kids could become frustrated given that kids don't generaly have as much patience as adults. As to violence, i agree that there's nothing wrong with zapping robots or ghosts just as mega man and castlevania did, however one issue I do have with games like gta is that of morality more than violence. In mortal kombat, (a game slammed for it's violence though actually pretty cartoony), you at base line were in a martial arts tournament to decide the fate of the world, and though some characters like cano had less than viable motives, the main heroes of the game like Liukang and sonia were essentially out to be heroic. A game like gta is heavily based on actually committing crimes, breaking the law, engaging in theft, prostitution, gang war etc, and it's that! sort of aspect more than the violence which really would be the reason i'd suggest kids not play it. It's rather like the current thinking on showing graphic violence in films. I find it quite disturbing that an enemy leader can zap someone to death, or still worse, torture someone to the point they become broken and completely helpless even in a kid's cartoon, just so long as there is no red stuff. What scared me as a child wasn't so much blood and guts, heck, i watched nightmare on elmstreet when I was 9
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Hi Ibrahim, Agreed. Leather Goddesses of Phobos is actually very tame compared to some of the stuff out there today. I have played games far more sexually descriptive than that game, and a lot of the games rated M for the XBox and Play Station III have scenes of nudity in them. There are also some adult oriented games such as the Office for PC with out and out scenes of intercourse in them which is far worse than Leather Goddesses ever was. Point being is while Leather Goddesses was sort of adult oriented back in the 80's video games have gotten far more adult oriented over the years to the point that Leather Goddesses is pretty mild compared to what is available now. However, it is still an issue of parental guidance and should be up to the parent's own judgment weather or not to let a kid play Leather Goddesses or not. Cheers! On 4/17/13, Ibrahim Gucukoglu ibrahim_gucuko...@sent.com wrote: Hi Lisa. There is nothing wrong with LGOP, I was playing that one when I was 10 and the Lude mode too. Compared to what is available today, both text based and graphically, LGOP is tame in comparison especially as it doesn't contain any real descriptions of sexual intercourse, its only hinted at and that quite obleakly in my view. All the best, Ibrahim. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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LOL. I bet even Leisure Suit Larry would be considered relatively tame compared to what's out there these days. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:40 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Ibrahim, Agreed. Leather Goddesses of Phobos is actually very tame compared to some of the stuff out there today. I have played games far more sexually descriptive than that game, and a lot of the games rated M for the XBox and Play Station III have scenes of nudity in them. There are also some adult oriented games such as the Office for PC with out and out scenes of intercourse in them which is far worse than Leather Goddesses ever was. Point being is while Leather Goddesses was sort of adult oriented back in the 80's video games have gotten far more adult oriented over the years to the point that Leather Goddesses is pretty mild compared to what is available now. However, it is still an issue of parental guidance and should be up to the parent's own judgment weather or not to let a kid play Leather Goddesses or not. Cheers! On 4/17/13, Ibrahim Gucukoglu ibrahim_gucuko...@sent.com wrote: Hi Lisa. There is nothing wrong with LGOP, I was playing that one when I was 10 and the Lude mode too. Compared to what is available today, both text based and graphically, LGOP is tame in comparison especially as it doesn't contain any real descriptions of sexual intercourse, its only hinted at and that quite obleakly in my view. All the best, Ibrahim. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Sure. Scary sounds can be just as disturbing as blood, guts, and gore. Sometimes more so. However, it all depends on the person of course. I can't really judge myself as an example, because when I grew up my parents didn't really put a lot of restriction on what I watched. As a result by the time I was 10 or so I had watched Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, Halloween, Poltergeist, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and a number of other horror movies that were suppose to be for adults and they didn't really bother me much. I think the only movie that did give me nightmares was Night of the Living Dead, but eventually I got over the fear that any time I went into a graveyard a dead hand would pop up out of a ground and grab me or something. Lol. Anyway, the point is I realize I was a bit unusual and a lot of that has to do with the fact I was exposed to horror movies as a child and I learned to not let it bother me. In fact, I went on to read books by Stephen King, Dean Koontz, and similar authors as a teenager because I found I enjoyed spooky and disturbing stories. However, I have known many young women and even some guys who won't watch a horror movie with me or read a good horror novel because they claim it freaks them out. So it really all depends on the person. Getting back to the issue of games that is why it is sometimes hard to put an age restriction on a game. That is why the rating system that the mainstream market uses is really only a recommendation. Everyone is generally considered to be family safe games such as football, baseball, Trivia games, and so on. Teen contains some violence and may have some profanity in the dialog that is considered unsuitable for youngsters. Mature is any game that has adult scenes or adult situations such as nudity, sexuality, or scenes of blood, guts, and gore. Over all I'd say the rating system is reasonable in its assessment and right now is the best system available for an audio game developer to judge weather or not a certain game like Shades of Doom is age appropriate for a child. Based on the existing rating system I'd give it a teen rating because of the violence and sound effects. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Well, on the atmosphere front I would still be concerned at a child of around eight playing a game a game like shades of doom or swamp since I could imagine a child becoming quite bothered at that point. it was the horror atmosphere in shades that really grabbed my attention when i first played it myself. Also bare in mind an audio death with lots of squishing, crunching and bloody sound effects isn't any better for not showing the blood. Interestingly ennough, i've seen several people cryticize the doctor who audio range on this front, since some stories have audio representations of very gorey deaths, for instance one that got really slammed was necromantea which involved someone getting first his tongue, then his heart wripped out by a psychically empowered covern of alien witches, so just because there is no visible blood it still has an effect. of course, it depends upon the age of the child as you said, and it's not something I'd ever set a ban over, but I would suggest parents considder viewing a game like shades or swamp before showing it to kids under ten. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Bryan, Yeah, Leisure Suit Larry would be pretty tame in hindsight. I don't know that I'd give that game to a little kid, but to a teenager since that is about the age I use to play that game. I think I was 14 or 15 when I played it and my parents either didn't know or didn't care that it was really suppose to be for adults. In any case I don't think it is too bad compared to many of the games out there today. Cheers! On 4/17/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: LOL. I bet even Leisure Suit Larry would be considered relatively tame compared to what's out there these days. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Some of those games did have pretty cool music. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:12 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Bryan, Yeah, Leisure Suit Larry would be pretty tame in hindsight. I don't know that I'd give that game to a little kid, but to a teenager since that is about the age I use to play that game. I think I was 14 or 15 when I played it and my parents either didn't know or didn't care that it was really suppose to be for adults. In any case I don't think it is too bad compared to many of the games out there today. Cheers! On 4/17/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: LOL. I bet even Leisure Suit Larry would be considered relatively tame compared to what's out there these days. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Bryan, AhemWell, you are right, but there is always a group of people who go to extremes when it comes to what is or is not considered to be too violent etc. For example, in the 1980's my very favorite cartoon was He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. I did not and still don't consider the cartoon too violent or satanic or anything like that. However, I found out years later that there were a group of concerned parents trying to get it taken off the air because they claimed it was too violent for children, and there were various religious groups that claimed that the show was teaching kids about Satanism. Neither claim is worth spit in my opinion, but it just goes to show how different people can be whenever the topic of what is and is not age appropriate content for children comes up. Everyone has an opinion weather it is right, wrong, or otherwise. In the end it comes down to a personal judgment as to what is or is not appropriate for your kids. Cheers! On 4/16/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: And some people thought Power Rangers was violent. LOL. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi tom. I agree on the horror front, though I was also reading books by steven king and even Clive barker at age 12 and 13 as well. It wasn't that my parents weren't bothered what I read, it was more that they knew I was old enough to take that sort of thing appropriately. what Concerns me often however with both game and film ratings is that they are frequently worked out on very silly points. For example, I know at one stage the difference betwene a 12 and a pg was that in a 12, you could actually show a fist connecting with someone. this meant that in a pg you could show someone throwing a punch, and someone else falling down knocked back by the blow, but just as long as you avoided that moment of impact it was okay. This was how the original street fighter live action film (the very horrible one with raul julian), got to be a pg. Similar distinctions are made for many other things, indeed it has always bothered me that you can legitimately show a child someone getting tortured, even tortured into the point of sobbing insensativity and yet not hit over the ratings so long as there is no blood. This happens in original V the final battle, there is a really horrendous torture sequence just! using laser beams and metanl projections of one of the main characters, who is! broken by it, yet that episode is a 12 rated. Myself, I'd prefer a system rated not on blood and guts, but on actual intentional harm caused. Thus, something like gta would still be a 16 rating because your doing immoral actions in the game, while something like swamp I'd regard as more an advisery over 10 rating since you were dealing with painfull death by zombies, but not much else. As to s/xual stuff, well that is just not something I can make a rational judgement about in games or anywhere else so I can't really comment on that. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Lol tom, heman too violent or satanic? with all the morality it included that is just insane! while I agree everyone has a slightly different opinion, some more extreme than others, equally there does need to be some sort of rationale worked out for such things and some thought given into it, especially when considdering wratings for sites like audiogames.net. for example, the game flexible survival is both a mud, and an rpg written in glulx format, yet, because it's subject matter is exclusively s/xual in nature and it's descriptions can be pretty graphic, on audiogames.net it's catagorized as an adult wrated xxx game. It's rpg features are certainly mentioned! in the entry, and there is no restriction on trying it, just as there is no restriction to someone playing tripple j shooter or any other of Jim's adult games, but I am concerned people know what they're getting into before trying the game hence the wrating. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Well, there are certainly problems with the rating system, and I also agree it could be improved. Although, I think a lot of this has to do with changing cultural views about morality and what is and is not acceptable content for children, teens, and so on. In that sense the rating system is constantly changing based on what is considered to be the norms for that certain place and time. To give you an example back in the early days of film, say the 20's and 30's, it was not permitted to show a man and woman sleeping in bed together let alone anything sexually explicit. In fact, a lot of those early movies didn't even show the bedroom at all if they could help it. I don't think they even showed kissing on the mouth either. To someone like me that seems a bit sexually repressive, overly extreme, but back then that is how it was. Never mind I'm sure children then, as they do today, see it all the time in watching their parents kiss or pop in mom and dads bedroom and find them in bed together in their night clothes. Now days you can turn on almost any daytime soap and see actors laying in bed dressed in only their under ware, kissing and smooching, maybe the actress will be in a sexy teddy, and all that skin would probably give the people in the 20's and 30's heart attacks. Things are so much different now that daytime soaps are considered PG or teen rated where not even adults would have considered anything that scandalous a generation or two before on TV or in movies. It seems the whole attitude about sexuality in TV has changed as nudity wouldn't have been given anything less than rated X in the 60's or 70's but there are a lot of rated R movies with nudity and even sex scenes in them today. Even some PG movies have partial nudes in them. Violence in movies and games similarly has changed over the years. In the old days of TV cop shows like Highway Patrol or Dragnet you didn't see the kinds of fighting or blood, guts, and gore found in many modern cop shows. Now days aside for basic censorship like excluding nudity and graphic violence pretty much anything goes in a modern cop show. They might not show a rape in graphic detail, but there are plenty of shows where the victims must verbally recount the entire ordeal in graphic detail which is almost as bad. Especially, if small children are around to hear it. So clearly public attitudes of what is permissible on TV has changed in just the space of a generation or so. I guess where I am heading with this is that ultimately it is up to the parents or guardians to make the final decision what is and is not age appropriate content for their children. We can't depend on game companies or the film industry to properly police the content for us, because as so often happens what they think and parents think is OK are different. Your example of rating torture scenes in movies with no blood in them one way and rating scenes with blood and gore in it another way is a case in point of how people can disagree on the boundaries of what is and is not age appropriate content. That is why it is so important for parents to view the film, play the game, etc before giving it to their kids because only they know what content they personally feel comfortable with at that age. The companies and film industry are only going by public trends, and can't rate their content on an individual basis. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I agree on the horror front, though I was also reading books by steven king and even Clive barker at age 12 and 13 as well. It wasn't that my parents weren't bothered what I read, it was more that they knew I was old enough to take that sort of thing appropriately. what Concerns me often however with both game and film ratings is that they are frequently worked out on very silly points. For example, I know at one stage the difference betwene a 12 and a pg was that in a 12, you could actually show a fist connecting with someone. this meant that in a pg you could show someone throwing a punch, and someone else falling down knocked back by the blow, but just as long as you avoided that moment of impact it was okay. This was how the original street fighter live action film (the very horrible one with raul julian), got to be a pg. Similar distinctions are made for many other things, indeed it has always bothered me that you can legitimately show a child someone getting tortured, even tortured into the point of sobbing insensativity and yet not hit over the ratings so long as there is no blood. This happens in original V the final battle, there is a really horrendous torture sequence just! using laser beams and metanl projections of one of the main characters, who is! broken by it, yet that episode is a 12 rated. Myself, I'd prefer a system rated not on blood and guts, but on actual intentional harm caused. Thus, something like gta would still be a 16 rating because your doing immoral actions in
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion and such a person should be able to tell if this or that is alright for a child, teen, or needs to be labeled for an adult based on its content. Something like Jim Kitchen's Battleship is fine for people of all ages, but Dungeon Master obviously needs to be labeled for adult gamers only. I think most people would agree with that assessment and would do the same if it were up to them. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Lol tom, heman too violent or satanic? with all the morality it included that is just insane! while I agree everyone has a slightly different opinion, some more extreme than others, equally there does need to be some sort of rationale worked out for such things and some thought given into it, especially when considdering wratings for sites like audiogames.net. for example, the game flexible survival is both a mud, and an rpg written in glulx format, yet, because it's subject matter is exclusively s/xual in nature and it's descriptions can be pretty graphic, on audiogames.net it's catagorized as an adult wrated xxx game. It's rpg features are certainly mentioned! in the entry, and there is no restriction on trying it, just as there is no restriction to someone playing tripple j shooter or any other of Jim's adult games, but I am concerned people know what they're getting into before trying the game hence the wrating. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Ah yes. My x girlfriend Chelsey was of that ilk. One of my favorite RPG games was called Lufia and the Fortress of Doom, which was the first in a now five-game series. The basic story is that four godlike beings called Sinistrals have set their sites on the world and it's up to a small group of mortals to find the sentient sword known as the Dual Blade, which is the only weapon capable of destroying the Sinistrals. Of course the series involves the usual experience levelling and stat boosting. Chelsey's issue was that it isn't right to use special items to make the character more powerful. She also seemed to imply that if Maxim and his descendants had just prayed to god the Sinistrals would have gone away. LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:58 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion and such a person should be able to tell if this or that is alright for a child, teen, or needs to be labeled for an adult based on its content. Something like Jim Kitchen's Battleship is fine for people of all ages, but Dungeon Master obviously needs to be labeled for adult gamers only. I think most people would agree with that assessment and would do the same if it were up to them. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Lol tom, heman too violent or satanic? with all the morality it included that is just insane! while I agree everyone has a slightly different opinion, some more extreme than others, equally there does need to be some sort of rationale worked out for such things and some thought given into it, especially when considdering wratings for sites like audiogames.net. for example, the game flexible survival is both a mud, and an rpg written in glulx format, yet, because it's subject matter is exclusively s/xual in nature and it's descriptions can be pretty graphic, on audiogames.net it's catagorized as an adult wrated xxx game. It's rpg features are certainly mentioned! in the entry, and there is no restriction on trying it, just as there is no restriction to someone playing tripple j shooter or any other of Jim's adult games, but I am concerned people know what they're getting into before trying the game hence the wrating. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http
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And i got myself in to strife for mentioning the chronicles of narnia purely bvecause one person thought those books evil because they were fantasy and she doesn't believe that fantasy should be read due to her religion now getting back to games are their any games based on the narnia books, similar to sara based on harry potter. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion and such a person should be able to tell if this or that is alright for a child, teen, or needs to be labeled for an adult based on its content. Something like Jim Kitchen's Battleship is fine for people of all ages, but Dungeon Master obviously needs to be labeled for adult gamers only. I think most people would agree with that assessment and would do the same if it were up to them. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Lol tom, heman too violent or satanic? with all the morality it included that is just insane! while I agree everyone has a slightly different opinion, some more extreme than others, equally there does need to be some sort of rationale worked out for such things and some thought given into it, especially when considdering wratings for sites like audiogames.net. for example, the game flexible survival is both a mud, and an rpg written in glulx format, yet, because it's subject matter is exclusively s/xual in nature and it's descriptions can be pretty graphic, on audiogames.net it's catagorized as an adult wrated xxx game. It's rpg features are certainly mentioned! in the entry, and there is no restriction on trying it, just as there is no restriction to someone playing tripple j shooter or any other of Jim's adult games, but I am concerned people know what they're getting into before trying the game hence the wrating. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can
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well that could be semi true ok syth are not saten but probably could be, the profile for them is quite evil ultimately so, so they could be devels at least though never thought about that till now it does make sence in the way. At 12:58 PM 4/18/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion and such a person should be able to tell if this or that is alright for a child, teen, or needs to be labeled for an adult based on its content. Something like Jim Kitchen's Battleship is fine for people of all ages, but Dungeon Master obviously needs to be labeled for adult gamers only. I think most people would agree with that assessment and would do the same if it were up to them. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Lol tom, heman too violent or satanic? with all the morality it included that is just insane! while I agree everyone has a slightly different opinion, some more extreme than others, equally there does need to be some sort of rationale worked out for such things and some thought given into it, especially when considdering wratings for sites like audiogames.net. for example, the game flexible survival is both a mud, and an rpg written in glulx format, yet, because it's subject matter is exclusively s/xual in nature and it's descriptions can be pretty graphic, on audiogames.net it's catagorized as an adult wrated xxx game. It's rpg features are certainly mentioned! in the entry, and there is no restriction on trying it, just as there is no restriction to someone playing tripple j shooter or any other of Jim's adult games, but I am concerned people know what they're getting into before trying the game hence the wrating. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
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probably would have worked but that does not make a good story. saying that I have a few christian friends who are this way. yet these same people play dnd type games with all stats and enjoy them including having several boards, rule books dice and the like. At 01:05 PM 4/18/2013, you wrote: Ah yes. My x girlfriend Chelsey was of that ilk. One of my favorite RPG games was called Lufia and the Fortress of Doom, which was the first in a now five-game series. The basic story is that four godlike beings called Sinistrals have set their sites on the world and it's up to a small group of mortals to find the sentient sword known as the Dual Blade, which is the only weapon capable of destroying the Sinistrals. Of course the series involves the usual experience levelling and stat boosting. Chelsey's issue was that it isn't right to use special items to make the character more powerful. She also seemed to imply that if Maxim and his descendants had just prayed to god the Sinistrals would have gone away. LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:58 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion and such a person should be able to tell if this or that is alright for a child, teen, or needs to be labeled for an adult based on its content. Something like Jim Kitchen's Battleship is fine for people of all ages, but Dungeon Master obviously needs to be labeled for adult gamers only. I think most people would agree with that assessment and would do the same if it were up to them. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Lol tom, heman too violent or satanic? with all the morality it included that is just insane! while I agree everyone has a slightly different opinion, some more extreme than others, equally there does need to be some sort of rationale worked out for such things and some thought given into it, especially when considdering wratings for sites like audiogames.net. for example, the game flexible survival is both a mud, and an rpg written in glulx format, yet, because it's subject matter is exclusively s/xual in nature and it's descriptions can be pretty graphic, on audiogames.net it's catagorized as an adult wrated xxx game. It's rpg features are certainly mentioned! in the entry, and there is no restriction on trying it, just as there is no restriction to someone playing tripple j shooter or any other of Jim's adult games, but I am concerned people know what they're getting into before trying the game hence the wrating. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list
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Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format And i got myself in to strife for mentioning the chronicles of narnia purely bvecause one person thought those books evil because they were fantasy and she doesn't believe that fantasy should be read due to her religion now getting back to games are their any games based on the narnia books, similar to sara based on harry potter. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion and such a person should be able to tell if this or that is alright for a child, teen, or needs to be labeled for an adult based on its content. Something like Jim Kitchen's Battleship is fine for people of all ages, but Dungeon Master obviously needs to be labeled for adult gamers only. I think most people would agree with that assessment and would do the same if it were up to them. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Lol tom, heman too violent or satanic? with all the morality it included that is just insane! while I agree everyone has a slightly different opinion, some more extreme than others, equally there does need to be some sort of rationale worked out for such things and some thought given into it, especially when considdering wratings for sites like audiogames.net. for example, the game flexible survival is both a mud, and an rpg written in glulx format, yet, because it's subject matter is exclusively s/xual in nature and it's descriptions can be pretty graphic, on audiogames.net it's catagorized as an adult wrated xxx game. It's rpg features are certainly mentioned! in the entry, and there is no restriction on trying it, just as there is no restriction to someone playing tripple j shooter or any other of Jim's adult games, but I am concerned people
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I thought they had some bible type things as their base though I have never really cared for fantasy as a whole genre myself adventure scifi and a few other humourous things are what I go for. Some fantasy loops round you know who must die you know who everything is, its not my type of thing. At 05:34 PM 4/18/2013, you wrote: Those who think that The Chronicles of Narnia are Satanic or anti Christian have never read them. Same for the Christians who will have nothing to do with the Harry Potter series because the series deals with magic and witches and wizards. They believe what others have told them rather than firsthand knowledge. As for Narnia games, I'll bet there are some, but none designed or playable by the blind gamer. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format And i got myself in to strife for mentioning the chronicles of narnia purely bvecause one person thought those books evil because they were fantasy and she doesn't believe that fantasy should be read due to her religion now getting back to games are their any games based on the narnia books, similar to sara based on harry potter. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Yeah, seriously. There were Christian publications that actually stated He-Man was satanic and urging Christian moms and dads not to let their kids watch it during the early 1980's when the show was originally aired. As incredible as that sounds to me today it actually happened. However, one must keep in mind the mindset of the readers and writers here. One of the main characters of the show, Evil Lyn, was a sorceress who could wield powerful dark magic as could Skeletor. On the flip side the Sorceress of Grayskull also could wield white magic to combat the villains, and He-Man did not derive his power from God but from a magic sword. Since in the mind of many Christians all magic is evil, satanic there is no such thing as white magic and dark magic. In their opinion all magic is evil, and the authors of such publications objected to witchcraft etc being practiced on TV for their children's entertainment. Plus I guess the idea of the hero, He-Man, getting his powers from a magic sword instead of God was pretty objectionable as well. It is basically the same argument leveled against Harry Potter and other such popular series. Any time there is a popular series be it He-Man or Harry Potter with magic involved there are people in America from the Christian Right who will get on TV or write articles in some publication or other asking for censorship of the content based on their religious views. In fact, it doesn't even have to involve magic per say. I heard of a case where some Christian publication claimed that Darth Mahl was suppose to represent Satan in the Phantom Menace which was totally off the mark. I am pointing this out only to state that rating a game, movie, whatever is really complicated because it seems everyone has his or her own opinion on what is and is not appropriate for their children to watch, play, read, whatever. For some it comes down to their religious views. For others, such as myself, I base content on more general principles like if I think it is too violent, too gory, or too sexually explicit for a child and will not share it with them. Still, I agree that sites like Audyssey and Audiogames.net does need some rationale for how they rate their games. I think everyone does this on some level anyway, and most of it is common sense so to speak. Excluding issues of religion and such a person should be able to tell if this or that is alright for a child, teen, or needs to be labeled for an adult based on its content. Something like Jim Kitchen's Battleship is fine for people of all ages, but Dungeon Master obviously needs to be labeled for adult gamers only. I think most people would agree with that assessment and would do the same if it were up to them. Cheers! On 4/17/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Lol tom, heman too violent or satanic? with all the morality it included that is just insane! while I agree everyone has a slightly different opinion, some more extreme than others, equally there does need to be some sort of rationale worked out for such things and some thought given into it, especially when considdering wratings for sites like audiogames.net. for example, the game flexible survival is both a mud, and an rpg written in glulx format, yet, because it's subject matter is exclusively s/xual in nature and it's
[Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Hi Shaun, Once again, you have missed the point. I don't believe anyone has said that the majority of folks here are children, and that they should be expected to like and enjoy children's games. The idea Lisa and I were discussing is making games for children that we could give to state agencies, schools, and organizations to help both children and parents get into learning and playing games same as their sighted peers do. There really isn't a market like this probably because by the time people join this list or the Audiogames.net forum they are already in their teens and would have outgrown a game like Shoots and Ladders and Candy Land. So some thought would have to be given to the fact the game is playable by all ages or at least say ages 7 and up without losing the older gamers. ¿ As far as what might be a good children's game that is a good question. I know my son has a number of board games that could be adapted to computer games that would be entertaining for children and adults alike. The game Trouble is basically a game where you pop the bubble, a die rolls around in there, and you move your piece around the board until it gets home. There are a number of variants of the Trouble game which are more oriented to children than others. My son has a version from Star Wars the Clone Wars, and when he was little had a Disney theme version with Donald, Mickey, Goofy, Daisy, and so on. Same game play, but with a slight alteration of the pieces one version was obviously directed at little children and the other was really for any age. Another game is a Thomas and Friends game. Basically, it is a bit like Shoots and Ladders but instead of children the pieces are the various trains, and instead of ladders they are railroad tracks. I can easily see taking a simple game idea like that and converting it to an all purpose game as well as remove the copyright issues by using real trains, renaming the places on the board, and using real train noises instead of the little kiddy whistles etc from Thomas and Friends. Same or similar game play, but more for all ages. For something live action there are plenty of arcade games that can be fun for all ages. Pac-Man Talks or Dynaman are fine for kids of a certain age and are still fun to play even as an adult. Just need to hit upon something that works for everyone. :D On 4/16/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Ok tom I don't mean to be picky here but I don't think that most of us that play are children. may be teens to yung adults but not children below 12 maybe. My experience at least locally is that children blind ones included don't seem to have interest in the games or at least games we play. Mostly my cousins do play the adult games but otherwise they are quiz type games. Or to put that another way, has anyone figured what the average age for gamers actually is. I started when I was 15 years old, but then that was when I got the net and got to read the mag, actual gaming didn't start till around 2000. I do think though we should focus on games for all ages, ok I can see why games for children would rock but to be honest once I grow up I am not likely to play say puss in boots. and to be honest once I grow out from playing termite torpedo or something I am going to wander why the heck did I even buy this stupid crappy game. I strongly feel that if there is a game for children it should be able to be enjoyed by all and have the replay value to match, or at least the ability to scale to adult status or something. My issue is the statement above, the games are good but if you grow out of them well you are going to have a problem. Sometimes I buy something then find something better and wander what my attraction was. I see its floors and think how crappy the program is rather than its good points. We really shouldn't go that way if at all possible. The gaming market started fast paced, now due to other things and life in general its slowed down to a walk. Yeah I accept that the speed we were going was unsustainable, however that does mean the more we need to make sure or as sure as we can that what we release won't end up in the cupboard after its played. Its a thing the mainstream industry still does on occation. a friend I play games with has hundreds of games. but he has beaten them so many times in their non random modes that they are now on a shelf. its gotten to the point he has lost the disks and keys and has either no or little interest to fiddle with them again. this is from my personal experience and is not fact by any means. I am sertainly not telling people what to do only that we need to be carefull. unlike the mainstreamers we can't chuck out a load of titles that get outdated or that are bad and then realease something better in a short time and even if we loose some it doesn't matter. I realise everyone has a life and I don't begrudge that but I think we should really think on this one
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Hi Tom. one thing I will also add, is that kids and arcade games go together very well. At the age of three or four I remember distinctly playing games like berserk, joust, space invaders and ms packman on our old atari 2600. the very simplicity of the games made them quite enjoyable, and their mechanics were more than addictive enough. later, we got an amstrad cpc computer, when I was about 5-7, and again I played games like double dragon, golden axe, roland on the ropes (a great random maze platformer), and in fact ghouls n ghosts. While for me computer games weren't an overriding interest until we got an amigar when i was eight with the game turrican 2, which pretty much changed both my interest in games and indeed in music (since the scores for T2 are famous), I can say that I found games quite playable, even ones such as double dragon. Many of the games we have now wouldn't need to be changed too much for kids to play. The only thing I would recommend if we were talking about a specific game, is that there is currently not a complex first person game that I would give a child, sinse shades of doom and swamp obviously wouldn't fit the bill for gore and scare factor at least for fairly young children, ditto with the two best examples of first person games on the iPhone, the nightjar and papasangre, (I was playing mortal kombat at age 10, but admittedly i was quite an old child). First person audio games have a lot to teach. I am pretty sure my own ability to understand landmarks and navigate wouldn't be where it is now if it weren't for games like Turrican and metroid. With blind kids, teaching them to hear sound sources, turn towards them, walk accurately, remember routes etc would be great skills, therefore a first person game, but one without the gorey deaths of say swamp or shades would be a really nice addition. My suggestion personally would be a game similar to a 2D version of castlevania or ghouls n ghosts. The player could have a magic weapon, or indeed a number of them that could remove various monsters and ghosts rather like the ghost busters and their proton packs, and could wander around locations like dark forests, caves and spooky castles. By keeping the enemies to be spectral ghosts, nightmare monsters and the like and giving the player laser weapons to zap them rather than guns to shoot, the violence and death level could be kept out of too horrifiying a range. Equally, if it was established the enemies were ghosts and unreal monsters, the player could say instead of losing energy have a terror meeter, which, if it got too high caused them to lose a life in a sequence where they yelled aaagh! a ghost! and ran off terrified, but essentially unhurt. robot smight also be a good way to go, indeed terraformers might be a good first person game though I suspect kids would find the gameplay a bit too slow. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Well, I agree for the most part, but you seem to be forgetting about Sarah and the Castle of Witchcraft and Wizardry. That is one FPS game that a parent could give to their child with limited violence and because of the Harry Potter connection might be well suited for say a 7 or 8 year old. Another FPS game that comes to mind is Monkey Business. Aside for the crazy navigation aids its actually a game well suited for say a 9 or 10 year old maybe even younger since it does not have a great deal of violence. You mainly go around catching monkeys, and get into a scrape with Dr. Wobble and hi robots at the end, but its kids violence. No more violent than Megaman or Castlevania. So well suited for kids too. However, I agree arcade games are great for children. Sheesh, I grew up playing Pac-Man, Space Invaders, Missile Command, Defender, Centipede, Donkey Kong, Time Pilot, Montezuma's Revenge, Pitfall, Mouse Trap, and a bunch of other games too numerous to mention all when I was no more than four or five years old. Back in the 80's when those games were popular there were no games like Grand Theft Auto with questionable violence and language you would not want to give to your young child. So retro remakes of classic arcade games is a great way to build up a library of games for all ages. Cheers! On 4/16/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. one thing I will also add, is that kids and arcade games go together very well. At the age of three or four I remember distinctly playing games like berserk, joust, space invaders and ms packman on our old atari 2600. the very simplicity of the games made them quite enjoyable, and their mechanics were more than addictive enough. later, we got an amstrad cpc computer, when I was about 5-7, and again I played games like double dragon, golden axe, roland on the ropes (a great random maze platformer), and in fact ghouls n ghosts. While for me computer games weren't an overriding interest until we got an amigar when i was eight with the game turrican 2, which pretty much changed both my interest in games and indeed in music (since the scores for T2 are famous), I can say that I found games quite playable, even ones such as double dragon. Many of the games we have now wouldn't need to be changed too much for kids to play. The only thing I would recommend if we were talking about a specific game, is that there is currently not a complex first person game that I would give a child, sinse shades of doom and swamp obviously wouldn't fit the bill for gore and scare factor at least for fairly young children, ditto with the two best examples of first person games on the iPhone, the nightjar and papasangre, (I was playing mortal kombat at age 10, but admittedly i was quite an old child). First person audio games have a lot to teach. I am pretty sure my own ability to understand landmarks and navigate wouldn't be where it is now if it weren't for games like Turrican and metroid. With blind kids, teaching them to hear sound sources, turn towards them, walk accurately, remember routes etc would be great skills, therefore a first person game, but one without the gorey deaths of say swamp or shades would be a really nice addition. My suggestion personally would be a game similar to a 2D version of castlevania or ghouls n ghosts. The player could have a magic weapon, or indeed a number of them that could remove various monsters and ghosts rather like the ghost busters and their proton packs, and could wander around locations like dark forests, caves and spooky castles. By keeping the enemies to be spectral ghosts, nightmare monsters and the like and giving the player laser weapons to zap them rather than guns to shoot, the violence and death level could be kept out of too horrifiying a range. Equally, if it was established the enemies were ghosts and unreal monsters, the player could say instead of losing energy have a terror meeter, which, if it got too high caused them to lose a life in a sequence where they yelled aaagh! a ghost! and ran off terrified, but essentially unhurt. robot smight also be a good way to go, indeed terraformers might be a good first person game though I suspect kids would find the gameplay a bit too slow. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via
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Zaxxon. LOL.My dad used to take me to the bowling alley near our house in Oakland, California to play that one. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:11 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Well, I agree for the most part, but you seem to be forgetting about Sarah and the Castle of Witchcraft and Wizardry. That is one FPS game that a parent could give to their child with limited violence and because of the Harry Potter connection might be well suited for say a 7 or 8 year old. Another FPS game that comes to mind is Monkey Business. Aside for the crazy navigation aids its actually a game well suited for say a 9 or 10 year old maybe even younger since it does not have a great deal of violence. You mainly go around catching monkeys, and get into a scrape with Dr. Wobble and hi robots at the end, but its kids violence. No more violent than Megaman or Castlevania. So well suited for kids too. However, I agree arcade games are great for children. Sheesh, I grew up playing Pac-Man, Space Invaders, Missile Command, Defender, Centipede, Donkey Kong, Time Pilot, Montezuma's Revenge, Pitfall, Mouse Trap, and a bunch of other games too numerous to mention all when I was no more than four or five years old. Back in the 80's when those games were popular there were no games like Grand Theft Auto with questionable violence and language you would not want to give to your young child. So retro remakes of classic arcade games is a great way to build up a library of games for all ages. Cheers! On 4/16/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. one thing I will also add, is that kids and arcade games go together very well. At the age of three or four I remember distinctly playing games like berserk, joust, space invaders and ms packman on our old atari 2600. the very simplicity of the games made them quite enjoyable, and their mechanics were more than addictive enough. later, we got an amstrad cpc computer, when I was about 5-7, and again I played games like double dragon, golden axe, roland on the ropes (a great random maze platformer), and in fact ghouls n ghosts. While for me computer games weren't an overriding interest until we got an amigar when i was eight with the game turrican 2, which pretty much changed both my interest in games and indeed in music (since the scores for T2 are famous), I can say that I found games quite playable, even ones such as double dragon. Many of the games we have now wouldn't need to be changed too much for kids to play. The only thing I would recommend if we were talking about a specific game, is that there is currently not a complex first person game that I would give a child, sinse shades of doom and swamp obviously wouldn't fit the bill for gore and scare factor at least for fairly young children, ditto with the two best examples of first person games on the iPhone, the nightjar and papasangre, (I was playing mortal kombat at age 10, but admittedly i was quite an old child). First person audio games have a lot to teach. I am pretty sure my own ability to understand landmarks and navigate wouldn't be where it is now if it weren't for games like Turrican and metroid. With blind kids, teaching them to hear sound sources, turn towards them, walk accurately, remember routes etc would be great skills, therefore a first person game, but one without the gorey deaths of say swamp or shades would be a really nice addition. My suggestion personally would be a game similar to a 2D version of castlevania or ghouls n ghosts. The player could have a magic weapon, or indeed a number of them that could remove various monsters and ghosts rather like the ghost busters and their proton packs, and could wander around locations like dark forests, caves and spooky castles. By keeping the enemies to be spectral ghosts, nightmare monsters and the like and giving the player laser weapons to zap them rather than guns to shoot, the violence and death level could be kept out of too horrifiying a range. Equally, if it was established the enemies were ghosts and unreal monsters, the player could say instead of losing energy have a terror meeter, which, if it got too high caused them to lose a life in a sequence where they yelled aaagh! a ghost! and ran off terrified, but essentially unhurt. robot smight also be a good way to go, indeed terraformers might be a good first person game though I suspect kids would find the gameplay a bit too slow. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
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Hi Tom. Yes, your right about sarah, particularly with it's harry potter connections, though i do wonder about the action content since one thing that often grabs kids interest is fast action sequences, by which i don't mean violence, just things to overcome in a game. Monkey business might work too, though i do confess I am not keen on that game due to the navaid and lack of precision in the audio, and would worry that kids could become frustrated given that kids don't generaly have as much patience as adults. As to violence, i agree that there's nothing wrong with zapping robots or ghosts just as mega man and castlevania did, however one issue I do have with games like gta is that of morality more than violence. In mortal kombat, (a game slammed for it's violence though actually pretty cartoony), you at base line were in a martial arts tournament to decide the fate of the world, and though some characters like cano had less than viable motives, the main heroes of the game like Liukang and sonia were essentially out to be heroic. A game like gta is heavily based on actually committing crimes, breaking the law, engaging in theft, prostitution, gang war etc, and it's that! sort of aspect more than the violence which really would be the reason i'd suggest kids not play it. It's rather like the current thinking on showing graphic violence in films. I find it quite disturbing that an enemy leader can zap someone to death, or still worse, torture someone to the point they become broken and completely helpless even in a kid's cartoon, just so long as there is no red stuff. What scared me as a child wasn't so much blood and guts, heck, i watched nightmare on elmstreet when I was 9 and the alien films when i was ten, but seeing someone in actual painreally bothered me, indeed I'd often find scenes in cartoons and films such as the action force (gi jo as it is in america), film when cobra commander is hit with mutation spaws. indeed, there was a really fascinating and terrifying doctor who audio on this point called the cannibalists which i wrote a review of, in which all the principle characters are robots, but where some really! nasty things happen to some of them, so you don't even get audio violence, but still! get a lot of pain and suffering, which to me at least was just as bad. So, to bring this back to games, it's not the gore in a game like shades that I'd be concerned a child would be bothered buy, so much as the painfull character deaths, dark atmosphere etc. indeed, I'd probably guess a game like hunter, which features grusome but fairly quick death sounds would be less traumatic, at least I'd have likely found it so as a child. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Bryan, Yeah, Zaxxon ruled. I loved that game. I use to hook our Atari 2600 up to our 80 inch TV, yes we had one, and can remember how cool Zaxxon looked on the big screen when I reached his world to fight him. He must have been two or three feet high on that TV, and the extra resolution allowed me to find out right where to hit old Zaxxon to blow him up Lol. Another game I enjoyed a lot as a kid is Pop-Eye. It was not much of a game in terms of game standards, but I use to love going around grabbing cans of spinach, eat one, and them go beat up Bluto and throw him into the water below. Every time I rescued Olive she'd give Pop-Eye a kiss. Simple but fun game for kids. Another children's game that was cool was Smurf Rescue. I would jump over these grassy areas that would kill my Smurf for some reason, and then come to this big scary chasm with bats around. Jumping that chasm was tricky because about half way across a bat usually got me. Anyway, once I made it to the castle I had to jump onto this big ugly skull and free Smurfette. Once I did the game would end with her giving me a kiss. The more I think about it the more children's games I can recall that could easily be converted to audio games. There were tons of family friendly games in the 80's like Smurf Rescue that was aimed at kids, but could be entertaining enough for mom and dad too. Probably the best example of this would be Mario Brothers as it was aimed at kids, but had wide appeal for all ages from little gamesters, to video game nerds, to mom and dad. Cheers! On 4/16/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Zaxxon. LOL.My dad used to take me to the bowling alley near our house in Oakland, California to play that one. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Definitely agree with you on the morality issue. I've already told my son, who is by the way 8, under no circumstances are we buying him GTA because his mother and I do not agree with the theft, gang wars, prostitution, and other content in that game. It is fine for an adult to play that kind of game if they want, but it is not suitable for an 8 year old child, and I question its suitability strictly on moral grounds. However, I still have my NES and I let him play a lot of the same games I had as a kid like Mario, Double Dragon, Legend of Kage, Ninja Turtles, etc. I'm not so worried about cartoon violence in such games as I don't think it influences people as much as some people think. It would be games like GTA that allows you to carry out crimes that I find unsuitable for a child. There are some games that might be unsuitable because of the scare factor. The game Silent Hill is very creepy and some of the gory stuff like blood dripping from the ceiling and walls could give a child nightmares. Every child is different of course, but as a general rule I would not give my son or any 8 year old a creepy game like that until he was maybe 13 just because some of the stuff is disturbing in that game, and a person has to be fairly mature to handle it properly.. I know my son was over at a cousin's house a couple of months ago, and he started getting nightmares. Turned out they were playing a game about demons and monsters that really scared him, and when my wife looked the game up on the Internet found out the game was for 16 and older and my son who is 8 was playing it and was terrified by it. So a parent has to really consider if the content will frighten a child or not. Fortunately, we don't really have any audio games that quite compares in terms of scare factor. About the only games I can think of that would be completely off limits to a child would be the adult oriented games like Dungeon Master, Triple J Shooter, and Coupling which are of a sexual nature. Plus there are a number of adult text adventures that can get pretty descriptive and also would be off limits. Beyond that most audio games could be rated E for everyone or T for teen for all practical purposes since they dont have the gore or the nudity found in mainstream games. Cheers! On 4/16/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Yes, your right about sarah, particularly with it's harry potter connections, though i do wonder about the action content since one thing that often grabs kids interest is fast action sequences, by which i don't mean violence, just things to overcome in a game. Monkey business might work too, though i do confess I am not keen on that game due to the navaid and lack of precision in the audio, and would worry that kids could become frustrated given that kids don't generaly have as much patience as adults. As to violence, i agree that there's nothing wrong with zapping robots or ghosts just as mega man and castlevania did, however one issue I do have with games like gta is that of morality more than violence. In mortal kombat, (a game slammed for it's violence though actually pretty cartoony), you at base line were in a martial arts tournament to decide the fate of the world, and though some characters like cano had less than viable motives, the main heroes of the game like Liukang and sonia were essentially out to be heroic. A game like gta is heavily based on actually committing crimes, breaking the law, engaging in theft, prostitution, gang war etc, and it's that! sort of aspect more than the violence which really would be the reason i'd suggest kids not play it. It's rather like the current thinking on showing graphic violence in films. I find it quite disturbing that an enemy leader can zap someone to death, or still worse, torture someone to the point they become broken and completely helpless even in a kid's cartoon, just so long as there is no red stuff. What scared me as a child wasn't so much blood and guts, heck, i watched nightmare on elmstreet when I was 9 and the alien films when i was ten, but seeing someone in actual painreally bothered me, indeed I'd often find scenes in cartoons and films such as the action force (gi jo as it is in america), film when cobra commander is hit with mutation spaws. indeed, there was a really fascinating and terrifying doctor who audio on this point called the cannibalists which i wrote a review of, in which all the principle characters are robots, but where some really! nasty things happen to some of them, so you don't even get audio violence, but still! get a lot of pain and suffering, which to me at least was just as bad. So, to bring this back to games, it's not the gore in a game like shades that I'd be concerned a child would be bothered buy, so much as the painfull character deaths, dark atmosphere etc. indeed, I'd probably guess a game like hunter, which features grusome but fairly quick death
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And some people thought Power Rangers was violent. LOL. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 5:45 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Definitely agree with you on the morality issue. I've already told my son, who is by the way 8, under no circumstances are we buying him GTA because his mother and I do not agree with the theft, gang wars, prostitution, and other content in that game. It is fine for an adult to play that kind of game if they want, but it is not suitable for an 8 year old child, and I question its suitability strictly on moral grounds. However, I still have my NES and I let him play a lot of the same games I had as a kid like Mario, Double Dragon, Legend of Kage, Ninja Turtles, etc. I'm not so worried about cartoon violence in such games as I don't think it influences people as much as some people think. It would be games like GTA that allows you to carry out crimes that I find unsuitable for a child. There are some games that might be unsuitable because of the scare factor. The game Silent Hill is very creepy and some of the gory stuff like blood dripping from the ceiling and walls could give a child nightmares. Every child is different of course, but as a general rule I would not give my son or any 8 year old a creepy game like that until he was maybe 13 just because some of the stuff is disturbing in that game, and a person has to be fairly mature to handle it properly.. I know my son was over at a cousin's house a couple of months ago, and he started getting nightmares. Turned out they were playing a game about demons and monsters that really scared him, and when my wife looked the game up on the Internet found out the game was for 16 and older and my son who is 8 was playing it and was terrified by it. So a parent has to really consider if the content will frighten a child or not. Fortunately, we don't really have any audio games that quite compares in terms of scare factor. About the only games I can think of that would be completely off limits to a child would be the adult oriented games like Dungeon Master, Triple J Shooter, and Coupling which are of a sexual nature. Plus there are a number of adult text adventures that can get pretty descriptive and also would be off limits. Beyond that most audio games could be rated E for everyone or T for teen for all practical purposes since they dont have the gore or the nudity found in mainstream games. Cheers! On 4/16/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Yes, your right about sarah, particularly with it's harry potter connections, though i do wonder about the action content since one thing that often grabs kids interest is fast action sequences, by which i don't mean violence, just things to overcome in a game. Monkey business might work too, though i do confess I am not keen on that game due to the navaid and lack of precision in the audio, and would worry that kids could become frustrated given that kids don't generaly have as much patience as adults. As to violence, i agree that there's nothing wrong with zapping robots or ghosts just as mega man and castlevania did, however one issue I do have with games like gta is that of morality more than violence. In mortal kombat, (a game slammed for it's violence though actually pretty cartoony), you at base line were in a martial arts tournament to decide the fate of the world, and though some characters like cano had less than viable motives, the main heroes of the game like Liukang and sonia were essentially out to be heroic. A game like gta is heavily based on actually committing crimes, breaking the law, engaging in theft, prostitution, gang war etc, and it's that! sort of aspect more than the violence which really would be the reason i'd suggest kids not play it. It's rather like the current thinking on showing graphic violence in films. I find it quite disturbing that an enemy leader can zap someone to death, or still worse, torture someone to the point they become broken and completely helpless even in a kid's cartoon, just so long as there is no red stuff. What scared me as a child wasn't so much blood and guts, heck, i watched nightmare on elmstreet when I was 9 and the alien films when i was ten, but seeing someone in actual painreally bothered me, indeed I'd often find scenes in cartoons and films such as the action force (gi jo as it is in america), film when cobra commander is hit with mutation spaws. indeed, there was a really fascinating and terrifying doctor who audio on this point called the cannibalists which i wrote a review of, in which all the principle characters are robots, but where some really! nasty things happen to some of them, so you don't even get audio violence, but still! get a lot of pain and suffering, which to me at least was just as bad. So, to bring this back to games, it's not the gore
Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format
Got to agree with you here thomas i so do. leather godesses is a game i'd not let a child near either. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Children's Games was Audyssey Format Hi Dark, Definitely agree with you on the morality issue. I've already told my son, who is by the way 8, under no circumstances are we buying him GTA because his mother and I do not agree with the theft, gang wars, prostitution, and other content in that game. It is fine for an adult to play that kind of game if they want, but it is not suitable for an 8 year old child, and I question its suitability strictly on moral grounds. However, I still have my NES and I let him play a lot of the same games I had as a kid like Mario, Double Dragon, Legend of Kage, Ninja Turtles, etc. I'm not so worried about cartoon violence in such games as I don't think it influences people as much as some people think. It would be games like GTA that allows you to carry out crimes that I find unsuitable for a child. There are some games that might be unsuitable because of the scare factor. The game Silent Hill is very creepy and some of the gory stuff like blood dripping from the ceiling and walls could give a child nightmares. Every child is different of course, but as a general rule I would not give my son or any 8 year old a creepy game like that until he was maybe 13 just because some of the stuff is disturbing in that game, and a person has to be fairly mature to handle it properly.. I know my son was over at a cousin's house a couple of months ago, and he started getting nightmares. Turned out they were playing a game about demons and monsters that really scared him, and when my wife looked the game up on the Internet found out the game was for 16 and older and my son who is 8 was playing it and was terrified by it. So a parent has to really consider if the content will frighten a child or not. Fortunately, we don't really have any audio games that quite compares in terms of scare factor. About the only games I can think of that would be completely off limits to a child would be the adult oriented games like Dungeon Master, Triple J Shooter, and Coupling which are of a sexual nature. Plus there are a number of adult text adventures that can get pretty descriptive and also would be off limits. Beyond that most audio games could be rated E for everyone or T for teen for all practical purposes since they dont have the gore or the nudity found in mainstream games. Cheers! On 4/16/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Yes, your right about sarah, particularly with it's harry potter connections, though i do wonder about the action content since one thing that often grabs kids interest is fast action sequences, by which i don't mean violence, just things to overcome in a game. Monkey business might work too, though i do confess I am not keen on that game due to the navaid and lack of precision in the audio, and would worry that kids could become frustrated given that kids don't generaly have as much patience as adults. As to violence, i agree that there's nothing wrong with zapping robots or ghosts just as mega man and castlevania did, however one issue I do have with games like gta is that of morality more than violence. In mortal kombat, (a game slammed for it's violence though actually pretty cartoony), you at base line were in a martial arts tournament to decide the fate of the world, and though some characters like cano had less than viable motives, the main heroes of the game like Liukang and sonia were essentially out to be heroic. A game like gta is heavily based on actually committing crimes, breaking the law, engaging in theft, prostitution, gang war etc, and it's that! sort of aspect more than the violence which really would be the reason i'd suggest kids not play it. It's rather like the current thinking on showing graphic violence in films. I find it quite disturbing that an enemy leader can zap someone to death, or still worse, torture someone to the point they become broken and completely helpless even in a kid's cartoon, just so long as there is no red stuff. What scared me as a child wasn't so much blood and guts, heck, i watched nightmare on elmstreet when I was 9 and the alien films when i was ten, but seeing someone in actual painreally bothered me, indeed I'd often find scenes in cartoons and films such as the action force (gi jo as it is in america), film when cobra commander is hit with mutation spaws. indeed, there was a really fascinating and terrifying doctor who audio on this point called the cannibalists which i wrote a review of, in which all the principle characters are robots, but where some really! nasty things happen to some of them, so you don't even get audio violence
