Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-06 Thread Willem
I still don't agree. Code factory  should give a definite yes for it to 
be right. I suggest not to stop asking them if we can distribute them.

Milos Przic wrote:
  First of all, I appologize for my way of writing, my english is not 
quite good so my messages could seam written by a very uneducated 
person, specially because the subject is very serious. But as we asked 
the code factory, as they got a clear question, and as we are not 
given a clear answer, I suggest that we start distributing the games. 
If someone starts making problems, we can just show the messages to 
the person, pointing out that the code factory itself is responsible 
for the problem.

  Best regards,
Milos Przic
msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
skipe: milosh-hs



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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-06 Thread shaun everiss
should but havn't not that we have wated a while.
I'd still like to get an answer though.
However someone must be done maybe a direct approach.
Firstly someone local try call them.
If this does not work, we should distrobute and see.
If they decide to complain we can point them back to the attempts we have made 
to actualy get answers.
But we are just users, who cares about those when it comes to it.
At 03:43 a.m. 7/01/2009, you wrote:
I still don't agree. Code factory  should give a definite yes for it to be 
right. I suggest not to stop asking them if we can distribute them.
Milos Przic wrote:
  First of all, I appologize for my way of writing, my english is not quite 
 good so my messages could seam written by a very uneducated person, 
 specially because the subject is very serious. But as we asked the code 
 factory, as they got a clear question, and as we are not given a clear 
 answer, I suggest that we start distributing the games. If someone starts 
 making problems, we can just show the messages to the person, pointing out 
 that the code factory itself is responsible for the problem.
  Best regards,
Milos Przic
msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
skipe: milosh-hs


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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-06 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Milos and all,
You need to understand that in the eyes of the law failing to get direct 
permission to share such files is illegal. It doesn't matter if the 
company didn't give you a direct no answer. No answer is the same as 
saying no until there is some written or oral agreement made between the 
parties that gives you permission. Since I am a list moderator I am 
afraid i cant' condone the discussion of trading these files without 
that specifically written permission myself.


Milos Przic wrote:
  First of all, I appologize for my way of writing, my english is not 
quite good so my messages could seam written by a very uneducated 
person, specially because the subject is very serious. But as we asked 
the code factory, as they got a clear question, and as we are not given 
a clear answer, I suggest that we start distributing the games. If 
someone starts making problems, we can just show the messages to the 
person, pointing out that the code factory itself is responsible for the 
problem.

  Best regards,
Milos Przic



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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-06 Thread 0722001794

Why not ask them to join this list so that they can follow the thread.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
Date: 06/01/2009 5:20 pm

should but havn't not that we have wated a while.
I'd still like to get an answer though.
However someone must be done maybe a direct approach.
Firstly someone local try call them.
If this does not work, we should distrobute and see.
If they decide to complain we can point them back to the attempts we have made 
to actualy get answers.
But we are just users, who cares about those when it comes to it.
At 03:43 a.m. 7/01/2009, you wrote:
I still don't agree. Code factory  should give a definite yes for it to be 
right. I suggest not to stop asking them if we can distribute them.
Milos Przic wrote:
  First of all, I appologize for my way of writing, my english is not quite 
 good so my messages could seam written by a very uneducated person, 
 specially because the subject is very serious. But as we asked the code 
 factory, as they got a clear question, and as we are not given a clear 
 answer, I suggest that we start distributing the games. If someone starts 
 making problems, we can just show the messages to the person, pointing out 
 that the code factory itself is responsible for the problem.
  Best regards,
Milos Przic
msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
skipe: milosh-hs


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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread Yohandy
couldn't we ask if they can get rid of their game protection? they are 
obviously not supporting them, and they don't seem to care much about their 
games. perhaps if enough of us email them it'll happen? it just seems like a 
shame to have all their hard work wasted like that.



- Original Message - 
From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz

To: gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:20 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games


Hi.
gfot this from code factory.
They have said nothing against distrobution of their stuff.
Only that these games are not sold.
Until they complain about it, there for they are not interested in them or 
that is how I read it.


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From: Chiara Nicolini chiara.nicol...@codefactory.es
To: supp...@codefactory.es,
   sa...@codefactory.es,
   shau...@xtra.co.nz
Subject: RE: games
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:02:35 +0100
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0
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Dear Shaun,

Thank you for your interest in Code Factory´s products.

I am sorry to inform you that we don´t sell this games anymore.

You can try to contact ONCE, an institution in Spain that may have some
stock, although I don´t promise they do.

Email:  ci...@once.es
Phone: +34  917097760

Hope this helps,


Best regards,

Chiara Nicolini

Sales and Marketing
Tel: +34 93 733 70 66
Fax: +34 93 789 30 51

Code Factory
Making mobile phones and PDAs accessible to the blind and visually 
impaired.

Moving Accessibility Forward!
www.codefactory.es







-Original Message-
From: shaun everiss [mailto:shau...@xtra.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:49 PM
To: supp...@codefactory.es
Subject: games

Hi all.
I have read about your stuff and am wandering about the games, in
particular, alien invasion, the detective school thing and time adventures.
I heard you don't make games for the pc anymore.
what are the status of all your pc games, can they still be purchaced or if
not are they now free and can be downloaded or distrobuted by others.
Will any more games be released for the pc.




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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread AudioGames
Hi,

We could try sending CodeFactory an email with the message that we intent to 
host the (demo)games through AudioGames.net, to see if 
they object or not.

Greets,

Richard


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From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games


Hmmm I'm amazed you got a response from them. Personally, I didn't even get
a response back in 2006 when they supposedly stil sold games and I was
attempting to find out where to buy them.

I suggest you keep at them, sinse it'd be deffinately incredibly good to
know if these games can indeed be redistributed, - possibly with
requisite alterations to allow them to be played on different machines
(sinse I understand that at least some of their titles had copy protection).

As I've said before, i think there are so few accessible games that losing
any is a shame, - particularly I might add the audio versions of graphic
style command adventures like time adventures and private detective
school,  games which even had fully animated graphics for those who
wished to use them.

I think getting a deffinitive yay or nay out of them on the copywrite issue
would be a very good thing indeed.

Beware the Grue!

Dark.


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[Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread shaun everiss
Hi.
gfot this from code factory.
They have said nothing against distrobution of their stuff.
Only that these games are not sold.
Until they complain about it, there for they are not interested in them or that 
is how I read it.

X-Apparently-To: shau...@xtra.co.nz via 124.108.96.183; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 
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From: Chiara Nicolini chiara.nicol...@codefactory.es
To: supp...@codefactory.es,
sa...@codefactory.es,
shau...@xtra.co.nz
Subject: RE: games
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:02:35 +0100
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0
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Dear Shaun,

Thank you for your interest in Code Factory´s products.

I am sorry to inform you that we don´t sell this games anymore.

You can try to contact ONCE, an institution in Spain that may have some
stock, although I don´t promise they do.

Email:  ci...@once.es
Phone: +34  917097760

Hope this helps,


Best regards,

Chiara Nicolini 

Sales and Marketing 
Tel: +34 93 733 70 66
Fax: +34 93 789 30 51

Code Factory
Making mobile phones and PDAs accessible to the blind and visually impaired.
Moving Accessibility Forward!
www.codefactory.es





 

-Original Message-
From: shaun everiss [mailto:shau...@xtra.co.nz] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:49 PM
To: supp...@codefactory.es
Subject: games

Hi all.
I have read about your stuff and am wandering about the games, in
particular, alien invasion, the detective school thing and time adventures.
I heard you don't make games for the pc anymore.
what are the status of all your pc games, can they still be purchaced or if
not are they now free and can be downloaded or distrobuted by others.
Will any more games be released for the pc.



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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread Milos Przic
  But as they didn't tell us anything about game distribution, I think that 
it could mean that we can freely share them among ourselves, and that we 
shouldn't make ferther questions. I am sure that they are aware why we asked 
them about that, and if they wanted to make some money from selling those 
games or if they gave licence to someone, they would tell us directly.

  Best regards,
Milos Przic
msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com
skipe: milosh-hs
- Original Message - 
From: dark d...@xgam.org

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games


Hmmm I'm amazed you got a response from them. Personally, I didn't even 
get a response back in 2006 when they supposedly stil sold games and I was 
attempting to find out where to buy them.


I suggest you keep at them, sinse it'd be deffinately incredibly good to 
know if these games can indeed be redistributed, - possibly with 
requisite alterations to allow them to be played on different machines 
(sinse I understand that at least some of their titles had copy 
protection).


As I've said before, i think there are so few accessible games that losing 
any is a shame, - particularly I might add the audio versions of 
graphic style command adventures like time adventures and private 
detective school,  games which even had fully animated graphics for 
those who wished to use them.


I think getting a deffinitive yay or nay out of them on the copywrite 
issue would be a very good thing indeed.


Beware the Grue!

Dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread Milos Przic
  Of course, and that means Do whatever you want, we are not interested 
anymore.

Milos Przic
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games



They did not say yes, they just didn't answer the question.
Milos Przic wrote:
  But as they didn't tell us anything about game distribution, I think 
that it could mean that we can freely share them among ourselves, and 
that we shouldn't make ferther questions. I am sure that they are aware 
why we asked them about that, and if they wanted to make some money from 
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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Shaun and all,
From a legal perspective that is not true.  Under international 
copyright law unless you are given permission to redistribute their 
products in a written format it is not legal to do so. Just because a 
developer does not say you can't redistribute the files does not 
necessarily imply you have the right to redistribude said works. We 
really need to be mindful of companies rights, and not break 
international law by assuming something that may or may not be true.
A case in point. A while back someone asked what happened to an ESP 
title that was not currently up for download on the Draconis sight. Some 
people assumed because the game was free, it wasn't available from 
Draconis, that it was ok to go ahead and post it to the list for 
download. Josh later e-mailed the list telling people not to 
redistribute the game  which was his right to do so since he is now the 
copyright holder for the game. It was a simple mistake, but one that 
could have been avoided if those involved had asked Draconis in advance 
if sharing the game was ok.



shaun everiss wrote:

Hi.
got this from code factory.
They have said nothing against distrobution of their stuff.
Only that these games are not sold.
Until they complain about it, there for they are not interested in them or that 
is how I read it.



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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread dark
Hmmm I'm amazed you got a response from them. Personally, I didn't even get 
a response back in 2006 when they supposedly stil sold games and I was 
attempting to find out where to buy them.


I suggest you keep at them, sinse it'd be deffinately incredibly good to 
know if these games can indeed be redistributed, - possibly with 
requisite alterations to allow them to be played on different machines 
(sinse I understand that at least some of their titles had copy protection).


As I've said before, i think there are so few accessible games that losing 
any is a shame, - particularly I might add the audio versions of graphic 
style command adventures like time adventures and private detective 
school,  games which even had fully animated graphics for those who 
wished to use them.


I think getting a deffinitive yay or nay out of them on the copywrite issue 
would be a very good thing indeed.


Beware the Grue!

Dark. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread Willem

They did not say yes, they just didn't answer the question.
Milos Przic wrote:
  But as they didn't tell us anything about game distribution, I think 
that it could mean that we can freely share them among ourselves, and 
that we shouldn't make ferther questions. I am sure that they are 
aware why we asked them about that, and if they wanted to make some 
money from selling those games or if they gave licence to someone, 
they would tell us directly.



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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread shaun everiss
thats how I get it.
At 04:31 a.m. 6/01/2009, you wrote:
  Of course, and that means Do whatever you want, we are not interested 
 anymore.
Milos Przic
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skipe: milosh-hs
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games


They did not say yes, they just didn't answer the question.
Milos Przic wrote:
  But as they didn't tell us anything about game distribution, I think that 
 it could mean that we can freely share them among ourselves, and that we 
 shouldn't make ferther questions. I am sure that they are aware why we 
 asked them about that, and if they wanted to make some money from selling 
 those games or if they gave licence to someone, they would tell us directly.


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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread shaun everiss
hmmm its hard if they don't respond, I clearly asked about distrobution I am 
sure.
What is one supposed to do, I don't have the clout  some here have, I can't 
distrobute full games even if I wish to.
1.  I have no website or server.
2 and most importantly I only have a 128k connection and others are on this 
network.
At 05:43 a.m. 6/01/2009, you wrote:
Hi Shaun and all,
 From a legal perspective that is not true.  Under international copyright law 
 unless you are given permission to redistribute their products in a written 
 format it is not legal to do so. Just because a developer does not say you 
 can't redistribute the files does not necessarily imply you have the right to 
 redistribude said works. We really need to be mindful of companies rights, 
 and not break international law by assuming something that may or may not be 
 true.
A case in point. A while back someone asked what happened to an ESP title that 
was not currently up for download on the Draconis sight. Some people assumed 
because the game was free, it wasn't available from Draconis, that it was ok 
to go ahead and post it to the list for download. Josh later e-mailed the list 
telling people not to redistribute the game  which was his right to do so 
since he is now the copyright holder for the game. It was a simple mistake, 
but one that could have been avoided if those involved had asked Draconis in 
advance if sharing the game was ok.


shaun everiss wrote:
Hi.
got this from code factory.
They have said nothing against distrobution of their stuff.
Only that these games are not sold.
Until they complain about it, there for they are not interested in them or 
that is how I read it.


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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Shaun,
As I told Dark earlier fair use and intelectual copyright rights aren't 
well covered in various copyright laws I have studied. There are a few 
cases where you are given permission under the law to share things of 
this nature, but most of the time it defers to the judgment of the 
copyright holder. So to be on the safe side it is always a good idea to 
get a straight yes/no answer. If no answer is given then do nothing 
until you get one.


shaun everiss wrote:

hmmm its hard if they don't respond, I clearly asked about distrobution I am 
sure.
What is one supposed to do, I don't have the clout  some here have, I can't 
distrobute full games even if I wish to.
1.  I have no website or server.
2 and most importantly I only have a 128k connection and others are on this 
network.



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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread Ron Schamerhorn
Hi all

  After the discussion on this I've a few thoughts.
  It does seem as though Kode Factory has little concern for the audio game 
titles they produced.  Granted I've never tried them so no idea how well 
implimented it might be.
  I myself am tempted to write and ask about their game status quite 
directly.  As I do agree that abandoned ware is one thing but a company has 
full rights to their product unless otherwise stated.
  It was brought up about the ESP freeby earlier.  Yes I have it and it's 
free so no one is losing money.  However Draconus said not to release it and 
I'll respect and abide by that.
  If I find any results from my email as Audyssey Editor I'll promptly 
forward it here so everyone does know.

Take care
Ron
Audysssey Editor

- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games


Hi Shaun,
As I told Dark earlier fair use and intelectual copyright rights aren't
well covered in various copyright laws I have studied. There are a few
cases where you are given permission under the law to share things of
this nature, but most of the time it defers to the judgment of the
copyright holder. So to be on the safe side it is always a good idea to
get a straight yes/no answer. If no answer is given then do nothing
until you get one.

shaun everiss wrote:
 hmmm its hard if they don't respond, I clearly asked about distrobution I 
 am sure.
 What is one supposed to do, I don't have the clout  some here have, I 
 can't distrobute full games even if I wish to.
 1.  I have no website or server.
 2 and most importantly I only have a 128k connection and others are on 
 this network.


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Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: RE: games

2009-01-05 Thread shaun everiss
Therefore in the case of code factory does anyone have any more clout than I do 
on this issue.
They chose to ignore parts of my message and took a long time responding to it, 
I hear they don't respond at all some times.
Calling them is a toll call but someone in the us with the clout could try 
directly.
All I know is they are not sold anymore.
At 05:13 p.m. 6/01/2009, you wrote:
Hi Shaun,
As I told Dark earlier fair use and intelectual copyright rights aren't well 
covered in various copyright laws I have studied. There are a few cases where 
you are given permission under the law to share things of this nature, but 
most of the time it defers to the judgment of the copyright holder. So to be 
on the safe side it is always a good idea to get a straight yes/no answer. If 
no answer is given then do nothing until you get one.

shaun everiss wrote:
hmmm its hard if they don't respond, I clearly asked about distrobution I am 
sure.
What is one supposed to do, I don't have the clout  some here have, I can't 
distrobute full games even if I wish to.
1.  I have no website or server.
2 and most importantly I only have a 128k connection and others are on this 
network.


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