Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi. Yes, I prefer LZMA2. It shrinks my 89mb package into around 74mb. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Willem Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:38 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Phil. This all depends on which compression the installer uses, though multiple layers of compression rarely makes sense. I've done an experiment with zip and 7z (aka lzma2). Zip makes the file 90% its origional size, while lzma2 yields 80%. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Ryan, Sound files do not compress very much when zipped, and usually creating the install file does compress everything to as small of a download file size as possible. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi. Err, 64mb. Excuse me. I use InnoSetup too and use LZMA ultra/64 if that helps. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Valiant8086 Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:29 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi. Yes, I prefer LZMA2. It shrinks my 89mb package into around 74mb. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Willem Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:38 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Phil. This all depends on which compression the installer uses, though multiple layers of compression rarely makes sense. I've done an experiment with zip and 7z (aka lzma2). Zip makes the file 90% its origional size, while lzma2 yields 80%. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Ryan, Sound files do not compress very much when zipped, and usually creating the install file does compress everything to as small of a download file size as possible. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Thomas, Yeah when zipped the distribution size was about 70 percent of the original size of the files. Of course mp3 files etc can be 30 percent or even less depending on quality, but since I am using DirectX I am also sticking with wave files. BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, Smile. That's all? That's pretty small potatoes compared to the current release of Mysteries of the Ancients. Beta 14 is almost 350 MB fully installed and even compressed using Inno Setup it is around 170 MB. The Linux setup looks like it will be around 250 MB because tar doesn't appear to have that high of compression. I'll probably have to see if I can find a better Linux compression format like bz2 and see if I can shrink that 250 down to something a bit smaller. Cheers! On 10/4/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Phil, In my temporary spanker folder the 118 wave files, the 1 little text file, a tiny batch file and the spanker executable file add up to 2,401,704 bytes. When zipped they equal 1,703,313 bytes. And then making that zip file into a self extracting zip file makes it1,765,376 bytes. BFN --- Jim The trouble with bucket seats is that not everybody has the same size bucket. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
does the game have the same levels as before in beta 14 On Oct 5, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah when zipped the distribution size was about 70 percent of the original size of the files. Of course mp3 files etc can be 30 percent or even less depending on quality, but since I am using DirectX I am also sticking with wave files. BFN - Original Message - Hi Jim, Smile. That's all? That's pretty small potatoes compared to the current release of Mysteries of the Ancients. Beta 14 is almost 350 MB fully installed and even compressed using Inno Setup it is around 170 MB. The Linux setup looks like it will be around 250 MB because tar doesn't appear to have that high of compression. I'll probably have to see if I can find a better Linux compression format like bz2 and see if I can shrink that 250 down to something a bit smaller. Cheers! On 10/4/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Phil, In my temporary spanker folder the 118 wave files, the 1 little text file, a tiny batch file and the spanker executable file add up to 2,401,704 bytes. When zipped they equal 1,703,313 bytes. And then making that zip file into a self extracting zip file makes it1,765,376 bytes. BFN --- Jim The trouble with bucket seats is that not everybody has the same size bucket. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
I have actually noticed that myself with respect to wav files vs og, though far less for mp3's. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Hayden, Well, personally I do notice some reduction in quality. It is very slight, but it takes some of the pitch out of the sounds, and it isn't quite as sharp/clear as a *.wav file. I suppose the fact I am a musician, am use to listening to tone and pitch, something like that is more apparent to me than a lay person. At any rate it isn't just audio quality. I also decided to go with *.wav files for the simple fact if I use any type of compression weather it be ogg, wma, wav, or xwma, whatever your program has to decompress all those files during runtime, such as when loading a new level, and therefore it is slower in loading the game levels, loading voice messages, whatever. It isn't too noticable on a new duel core system, but on an older 1 GHZ system, i happen to have laying around, it took quite a long time to decompress those sounds in real time. On 10/4/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Although it seems that you have made up your mind, I shall put my 1 asnd a half cents into the conversation, and say that I saw no reduction of quality in your Ogg vorbus compression, and you might as well go for the smallest size possible. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi William, I'm not sure what you are asking here, but version beta 14 which I released yesterday has the same levels as beta 13 if that is what you are asking. Once I am sure the new engine is stable I'll start adding levels 3, 4, 5, etc to the game so I can get it done in the next couple of months or so. On 10/5/10, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: does the game have the same levels as before in beta 14 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
yeah, i agree with you guys. i'm also using free download manager here, it's pretty accessible. talking about the size of the game, i disagree that it should be compressed to 50 mb, for example, the mainstream games actualy have much more than 100 mb, the usual size for a game installed on your computer is 4 gb / 16 gb depending on what game it is. -Mensagem original- De: Hayri Tulumcu ha...@ka-net.dk Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 4 de Outubro de 2010 16:26 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size ore you can use a download manager called Free Download Manager. you can get it from here: http://files2.freedownloadmanager.org/fdminst3.exe and it is accessible with JAWS. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Thomas, I don't think you should compromise making the MOTA smaller. In today's world, if a person doesn't have a high speed internet connection then they will be missing out on plenty of things more than just large games, such as digital books on the BARD site and podcasts. You could recommend a download manager such as GetRight, www.getright.com That is what I ran when I was using a dial-up modem. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
might I suggest a compressed zip file or something? On 10/7/10, Matheus r.c. souza an...@bol.com.br wrote: yeah, i agree with you guys. i'm also using free download manager here, it's pretty accessible. talking about the size of the game, i disagree that it should be compressed to 50 mb, for example, the mainstream games actualy have much more than 100 mb, the usual size for a game installed on your computer is 4 gb / 16 gb depending on what game it is. -Mensagem original- De: Hayri Tulumcu ha...@ka-net.dk Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 4 de Outubro de 2010 16:26 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size ore you can use a download manager called Free Download Manager. you can get it from here: http://files2.freedownloadmanager.org/fdminst3.exe and it is accessible with JAWS. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Thomas, I don't think you should compromise making the MOTA smaller. In today's world, if a person doesn't have a high speed internet connection then they will be missing out on plenty of things more than just large games, such as digital books on the BARD site and podcasts. You could recommend a download manager such as GetRight, www.getright.com That is what I ran when I was using a dial-up modem. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Ryan, Sound files do not compress very much when zipped, and usually creating the install file does compress everything to as small of a download file size as possible. Phil - Original Message - From: Ryan Chou rc4896...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size might I suggest a compressed zip file or something? On 10/7/10, Matheus r.c. souza an...@bol.com.br wrote: yeah, i agree with you guys. i'm also using free download manager here, it's pretty accessible. talking about the size of the game, i disagree that it should be compressed to 50 mb, for example, the mainstream games actualy have much more than 100 mb, the usual size for a game installed on your computer is 4 gb / 16 gb depending on what game it is. -Mensagem original- De: Hayri Tulumcu ha...@ka-net.dk Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 4 de Outubro de 2010 16:26 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size ore you can use a download manager called Free Download Manager. you can get it from here: http://files2.freedownloadmanager.org/fdminst3.exe and it is accessible with JAWS. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Thomas, I don't think you should compromise making the MOTA smaller. In today's world, if a person doesn't have a high speed internet connection then they will be missing out on plenty of things more than just large games, such as digital books on the BARD site and podcasts. You could recommend a download manager such as GetRight, www.getright.com That is what I ran when I was using a dial-up modem. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3174 - Release Date: 10/03/10 02:34:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Phil. This all depends on which compression the installer uses, though multiple layers of compression rarely makes sense. I've done an experiment with zip and 7z (aka lzma2). Zip makes the file 90% its origional size, while lzma2 yields 80%. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Ryan, Sound files do not compress very much when zipped, and usually creating the install file does compress everything to as small of a download file size as possible. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Phil, In my temporary spanker folder the 118 wave files, the 1 little text file, a tiny batch file and the spanker executable file add up to 2,401,704 bytes. When zipped they equal 1,703,313 bytes. And then making that zip file into a self extracting zip file makes it1,765,376 bytes. BFN Jim Do files get embarassed being unZIPped ? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Jim, Smile. That's all? That's pretty small potatoes compared to the current release of Mysteries of the Ancients. Beta 14 is almost 350 MB fully installed and even compressed using Inno Setup it is around 170 MB. The Linux setup looks like it will be around 250 MB because tar doesn't appear to have that high of compression. I'll probably have to see if I can find a better Linux compression format like bz2 and see if I can shrink that 250 down to something a bit smaller. Cheers! On 10/4/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Phil, In my temporary spanker folder the 118 wave files, the 1 little text file, a tiny batch file and the spanker executable file add up to 2,401,704 bytes. When zipped they equal 1,703,313 bytes. And then making that zip file into a self extracting zip file makes it1,765,376 bytes. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Thomas, I suggest bzip2, or apparently xz. gzip's compression ratios aren't all that great. Hope this helps, Zack. On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 06:53:28PM -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Jim, Smile. That's all? That's pretty small potatoes compared to the current release of Mysteries of the Ancients. Beta 14 is almost 350 MB fully installed and even compressed using Inno Setup it is around 170 MB. The Linux setup looks like it will be around 250 MB because tar doesn't appear to have that high of compression. I'll probably have to see if I can find a better Linux compression format like bz2 and see if I can shrink that 250 down to something a bit smaller. Cheers! On 10/4/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Phil, In my temporary spanker folder the 118 wave files, the 1 little text file, a tiny batch file and the spanker executable file add up to 2,401,704 bytes. When zipped they equal 1,703,313 bytes. And then making that zip file into a self extracting zip file makes it1,765,376 bytes. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- If I love you, what business is it of yours? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Then again, if size isn't a problem for most people, why even zip it? If you don't, that's just one less installation step. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Thomas, I suggest bzip2, or apparently xz. gzip's compression ratios aren't all that great. Hope this helps, Zack. On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 06:53:28PM -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Jim, Smile. That's all? That's pretty small potatoes compared to the current release of Mysteries of the Ancients. Beta 14 is almost 350 MB fully installed and even compressed using Inno Setup it is around 170 MB. The Linux setup looks like it will be around 250 MB because tar doesn't appear to have that high of compression. I'll probably have to see if I can find a better Linux compression format like bz2 and see if I can shrink that 250 down to something a bit smaller. Cheers! On 10/4/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Phil, In my temporary spanker folder the 118 wave files, the 1 little text file, a tiny batch file and the spanker executable file add up to 2,401,704 bytes. When zipped they equal 1,703,313 bytes. And then making that zip file into a self extracting zip file makes it1,765,376 bytes. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- If I love you, what business is it of yours? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
imo, the sounds uncompressed and compressed sound almost the same to me so I would say compress On 10/4/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Then again, if size isn't a problem for most people, why even zip it? If you don't, that's just one less installation step. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Thomas, I suggest bzip2, or apparently xz. gzip's compression ratios aren't all that great. Hope this helps, Zack. On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 06:53:28PM -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Jim, Smile. That's all? That's pretty small potatoes compared to the current release of Mysteries of the Ancients. Beta 14 is almost 350 MB fully installed and even compressed using Inno Setup it is around 170 MB. The Linux setup looks like it will be around 250 MB because tar doesn't appear to have that high of compression. I'll probably have to see if I can find a better Linux compression format like bz2 and see if I can shrink that 250 down to something a bit smaller. Cheers! On 10/4/10, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Phil, In my temporary spanker folder the 118 wave files, the 1 little text file, a tiny batch file and the spanker executable file add up to 2,401,704 bytes. When zipped they equal 1,703,313 bytes. And then making that zip file into a self extracting zip file makes it1,765,376 bytes. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- If I love you, what business is it of yours? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Charles, Well, one purpose of using any zip tool is simply to pack multipl files into one single archive that can be downloaded. If you are going to use an archive like zip, bz2, gz, whatever you might as well find the one with the best compression as well. It is not just the people downloading the file we have to worry about. I have to use hard drive sspace on the server to store my files and while I have a max account that space isn't exactly infinite. Plus I am given a certain amount of bandwidth per month and if I go over that limit I either have to suspend downloads for a few days until my bandwidth gets reset on the first of the next month or pay the extra bandwidth fees. So it still pays to shrink the files size down for the person hosting the files as well as giving the end users a quicker and smaller download. Smile. On 10/4/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Then again, if size isn't a problem for most people, why even zip it? If you don't, that's just one less installation step. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Zack, Thanks for the suggestion. Next time I think I'll definitely try using bzip2 to compress the file. As you say gzip isn't very good. Unfortunately, I'm about 75% through uploading the Linux MOTA beta 14 file, and I'd hate to stop it, rezip the thing, and upload again after it has been going for nearly an hour or so. So next time I'll definitely experiment more with compression sizes and archive formats before defaulting to gzip. On 10/4/10, Zachary Kline zkline wrote: Hi Thomas, I suggest bzip2, or apparently xz. gzip's compression ratios aren't all that great. Hope this helps, Zack. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Ryan, Actually, Inno Setup, the Windows setup program i use, has its own built-in compression which is pretty good. It cut the install down from close to 350 MB to around 170 MB which is fairly good. I'm afraid you can't get much better than that for compression. As for the Linux side I'm still looking for the best compression format. I used gzip this time, but found out its compression ratio isn't very good. I'm going to look at bz2 as well as a couple of other options and see if I can shave off some of the file ssize off the Linux install. Instead of 245 MB maybe knock it down to 225 MB or something like that. Every little bit helps I guess. Cheers! On 10/4/10, Ryan Chou rc4896...@gmail.com wrote: might I suggest a compressed zip file or something? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi, No worries. Everyone seams to be in favor of keeping the sounds etc uncompressed for maximum quality so that's what they are going to get. I've already built the setup packages for Windows and Linux and am busy trying to get the website ready for public release. I'll naturally let everyone know as soon as I'm really ready to go public with it. Smile. On 10/4/10, Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net wrote: Hi Thomas, I don't think you should compromise making the MOTA smaller. In today's world, if a person doesn't have a high speed internet connection then they will be missing out on plenty of things more than just large games, such as digital books on the BARD site and podcasts. You could recommend a download manager such as GetRight, www.getright.com That is what I ran when I was using a dial-up modem. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Thomas, Wow...thoseare farely large download sizes, aren't they? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 6:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Ryan, Actually, Inno Setup, the Windows setup program i use, has its own built-in compression which is pretty good. It cut the install down from close to 350 MB to around 170 MB which is fairly good. I'm afraid you can't get much better than that for compression. As for the Linux side I'm still looking for the best compression format. I used gzip this time, but found out its compression ratio isn't very good. I'm going to look at bz2 as well as a couple of other options and see if I can shave off some of the file ssize off the Linux install. Instead of 245 MB maybe knock it down to 225 MB or something like that. Every little bit helps I guess. Cheers! On 10/4/10, Ryan Chou rc4896...@gmail.com wrote: might I suggest a compressed zip file or something? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Thomas, Altouhg it seems that you have made up your mind, I shall put my 1 asnd a half cents into the conversation, and say that I saw no reduction of quality in your Ogg vorbus compression, and you might as well go for the smallest size possible. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Willem Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:38 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Phil. This all depends on which compression the installer uses, though multiple layers of compression rarely makes sense. I've done an experiment with zip and 7z (aka lzma2). Zip makes the file 90% its origional size, while lzma2 yields 80%. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Ryan, Sound files do not compress very much when zipped, and usually creating the install file does compress everything to as small of a download file size as possible. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi Hayden, Well, personally I do notice some reduction in quality. It is very slight, but it takes some of the pitch out of the sounds, and it isn't quite as sharp/clear as a *.wav file. I suppose the fact I am a musician, am use to listening to tone and pitch, something like that is more apparent to me than a lay person. At any rate it isn't just audio quality. I also decided to go with *.wav files for the simple fact if I use any type of compression weather it be ogg, wma, wav, or xwma, whatever your program has to decompress all those files during runtime, such as when loading a new level, and therefore it is slower in loading the game levels, loading voice messages, whatever. It isn't too noticable on a new duel core system, but on an older 1 GHZ system, i happen to have laying around, it took quite a long time to decompress those sounds in real time. On 10/4/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Although it seems that you have made up your mind, I shall put my 1 asnd a half cents into the conversation, and say that I saw no reduction of quality in your Ogg vorbus compression, and you might as well go for the smallest size possible. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
I hadn't thought of that at all. Good points. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mota download size Hi Charles, Well, one purpose of using any zip tool is simply to pack multipl files into one single archive that can be downloaded. If you are going to use an archive like zip, bz2, gz, whatever you might as well find the one with the best compression as well. It is not just the people downloading the file we have to worry about. I have to use hard drive sspace on the server to store my files and while I have a max account that space isn't exactly infinite. Plus I am given a certain amount of bandwidth per month and if I go over that limit I either have to suspend downloads for a few days until my bandwidth gets reset on the first of the next month or pay the extra bandwidth fees. So it still pays to shrink the files size down for the person hosting the files as well as giving the end users a quicker and smaller download. Smile. On 10/4/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Then again, if size isn't a problem for most people, why even zip it? If you don't, that's just one less installation step. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mota download size
Hi, Well, yes and no. If we are comparing it to the average audio game size it would be quite big. However, as it has been pointed out before most mainstream games are extremely huge compared to Mysteries of the Ancients. I think Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness is something like 2 GB fully installed. The latest Tomb Raider game, Tomb Raider Underworld, is even bigger yet Star Wars Empire at War is also pretty huge. It is something like 4 GB fully installed. So MOTA isn't anywhere near those kinds of sizes.. On 10/4/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Wow...thoseare farely large download sizes, aren't they? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
