[Gendergap] [For review] The results of Community Reporting System research are ready

[Sydney Poore]

Hello All,

To better understand the perspectives of individuals in the Wikimedia
community who have experienced harassment, Wikimedia Foundation researched
our community members’ knowledge of, and comfort with, existing enforcement
and reporting processes.

An executive summary of the research report is now available on Meta. <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/2021_consultations/Research
>

Currently, the executive summary is available in English, Spanish, and
German.

Please share the results of the research with your community by forwarding
this email, posting a link to the report, or translating the report into
your language.

You can discuss the results or raise questions on Meta or by contacting
communityhealt...@wikimedia.org.
Warm regards,
Sydney

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[Gendergap] We need your opinion: Invitation to survey for English Wikipedia Administrator Noticeboard/Incidents

[Sydney Poore]

Hello Wikimedians :-)

The Wikimedia Foundation Support and Safety team, along with the
Anti-Harassment Tools Team, is conducting a survey on the use of the
English Wikipedia Administrator Noticeboard/Incidents to handle conflicts
and harassment.

It’s the first survey of it’s kind and is important information for
deciding on improvements. We are trying to get as many diverse opinions and
voices as possible. In addition to the people that use it often, we need to
hear from people who post on it rarely but read the board frequently.

I want to make sure that you folks who edit English Wikipedia know about
the survey. And I encourage you to participate if you have some experience
with noticeboard..

Here is the link to sign up and more information it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_health_initiative_on_English_Wikipedia/Research_on_dispute_resolution_and_harassment/ANI_Survey_signup

It is also possible to request a copy of survey by email without signing up
on wiki.

I'm happy to answer any questions.

Warm regards,
Sydney Poore
Community Advocate
Support and Safety,
Anti-Harassment Tools team,
Wikipedia Foundation
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Re: [Gendergap] In memory of User:Danveg

[Sydney Poore]

Hi Tsipi and Michal,

Thank you for letting know. I'm sorry for your loss.

I'll pass on the idea of editing article about transgender issues in her
memory.
Warm regards,
Sydney

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Co-founder Kentucky Wikimedians,
Co-founder WikiWomen User Group,
Co-founder WikiConference North America
Board member of Wiki Project Med Foundation,
Member of Simple Annual Plan Grant Committee





On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Michal Lester 
wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> We're sorry to inform you that user:DanVag chose to end her life last
> week. User:Danveg was an active editor in HEWK and contributed mostly in
> the subject of gender and transgender issues. She was also an active
> volunteer in TLV Wikiwomen group. She guided newbies at Wikiwomen meetups
> with a lot of patience and kindness.
>
> As she was part of the transgender community, we urge you to consider
> editing articles about transgender issues in her memory. Please add  the
> articles you edited to this page
> <https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%9E%D7%A4%D7%92%D7%A9%D7%99_%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99_%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9D/DanVeg_Memorial_Trans_Project>
> .
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tsipi Erann, Wikiwomen group
>
> Michal Lester, WMIL
>
>
>
>
> *Regards,*
>
>
> *Michal Lester,*
>
> *Executive DirectorWikimedia Israel*
> *http://www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>  *
> *972-50-8996046 ; 972-77-751-6032  *
>
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Affiliates] AffCom call for new members

[Sydney Poore]

For your consideration. It is important to have more diversity in
membership of the committee and those giving feedback about the nominees.
Sydney


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From: "Maor Malul" 
Date: Dec 17, 2016 11:44 AM
Subject: [Affiliates] AffCom call for new members
To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" , "Affiliates
discussion list" , <
wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org>
Cc:

Dear all,

The Affiliations Committee – the committee responsible for guiding
volunteers in establishing Wikimedia chapters, thematic organizations, and
user groups – is looking for new members!  If you are interested in joining
us, please submit an application by 31 December 2016.

Based on the successful experience of last call, this one will include too
a public review and comment period.  All applications will be posted on
Meta, and all members of the community are invited to provide comments and
feedback about each candidate, always keeping a friendly tone.

The full call for candidates, which contains more information on the
committee's work, membership criteria, and instructions for how to apply,
can be found on Meta at https://meta.wikimedia.org/
wiki/Affiliations_Committee/MassMessages/Call_for_candidates_-_December_2016

We invite all community members to consider to apply or invite those
members that you think could make it cool as AffCom members. We make a
special call to women since AffCom is worried to keep or increase its women
quota among its members.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me or any other
member of the committee.

Regards,
M

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[Gendergap] Fwd: [hifa] Are there gender differences in access and use of digital health tech?

[Sydney Poore]

Thought would be of interest.
Sydney
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Amy Lee, USA" 
Date: Dec 6, 2016 1:21 AM
Subject: [hifa] Are there gender differences in access and use of digital
health tech?
To: "HIFA - Healthcare Information For All" 
Cc:

Hi all,

When planning for a digital health program, people often assume that women
have less access to the internet or are less likely to use technology than
men. The Knowledge for Health (K4Health) Project [https://www.k4health.org/]
wondered if this assumption is actually true and surveyed Global Health
eLearning (GHeL) Center [https://www.globalhealthlearning.org/] users to
understand how gender plays a role in GHeL online engagement.

I recently wrote about my experience working on this activity and our
findings in a new post on The Exchange, K4Health’s Medium Publication –
Online Learning: Are There Really Differences Between Men and Women? [
http://bit.ly/2geRpc1] The main takeaway for me is that there were more
similarities than differences between men and women. For example, the top
three reasons both men and women gave for taking courses were interest in
topic, desire for technical knowledge, and interest in improving job
prospects.

We’d love to hear your own experience looking at gender and digital health.
Have you found that men and women are similarly engaged in your programs
and activities? Or do some types of tools and services show a difference in
access and use??

Please feel free to share with relevant contacts and colleagues.

Best,
Amy

Amy Lee
Program Specialist, Knowledge for Health (K4Health)
CCPk4health

Johns Hopkins Center for Communication Programs
111 Market Place, Suite 310
Baltimore, Maryland 21202
Phone: 410-223-1645
Email: amy@jhu.edu
Web: ccp.jhu.edu| www.k4health.org

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Frontline Health Workers, Medical Education Cooperation with Cuba, Medic
Mobile, Network for Information and Digital Access, Next GenU, Palliative
Drugs, Partnerships in Health Information, Physicians for Haiti, Public
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[Gendergap] August 31 Final day to submit program sessions at WikiConference North America

[Sydney Poore]

Hello everyone,

Tomorrow, August 31st, is the final day to submit proposals for program
sessions for WikiConference North America on October 8-10 in San Diego.

https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2016/Submissions

There are already some proposal that would be of interest to the people on
this mailing list. But we welcome more submissions about increasing
participation in Wikimedia projects.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight

WikiConference North America https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2016/Main_Page

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[Gendergap] WikiConference North America

[Sydney Poore]

WikiConference North America 2016
7-10 October 2016, San Diego, CA, USA

WikiConference North America (formerly WikiConference USA) is the third
annual conference on the North American continent devoted to Wikipedia and
other Wikimedia projects. The weekend will feature both academic and casual
presentations on Wikimedia-related outreach activities, workshops to
improve the skills of grassroots organizers, and discussions on the past,
present, and future of the Wikimedia projects. The conference features
offerings about community outreach, online activity, partnerships with
institutions of knowledge, and technology. Keynote speakers are scheduled
to include Katherine Maher, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation,
and Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer of OCLC Research. The last
day of the conference will feature programming coinciding with Indigenous
Peoples' Day.

Registration for the conference is now open.  You can register at
https://wikiconference.org.

Scholarships partially covering costs of travel and attendance are
available for active contributors to Wikimedia projects.  Apply by August
23rd for scholarships at https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2016/Scholarships.

This is a volunteer run conference and volunteers are needed for any number
of tasks.  If you are attending, please consider volunteering for at
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Volunteers.

We seek presentations addressing topics related to Wikipedia or open access
and culture. Presentations may be from any discipline regarding any
relevant topic. Please submit a description of your proposed presentation
using our online submission process at
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Submissions.  If you are interested in
participating in the peer-reviewed academic track, see our call for
academic submissions at
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Call_for_Academic_Presentations.

- Sydney Poore (User:FloNight) and Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
(User:Rosiestep), conference organizers
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing Rapid Grants

[Sydney Poore]

Sharing the announcement about the new WMF Rapid Grants Program. Go forth
and use it to decrease the gender gap!
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wiki Project Med Foundation
WikiWomen's User Group
Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore


-- Forwarded message --
From: Alex Wang 
Date: Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:11 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing Rapid Grants
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 


Hello Wikimedians,

We are excited to announce the launch of a new Wikimedia Foundation grants
program, Rapid Grants!

Rapid grants fund Wikimedia community members -- individuals, groups, or
organizations contributing to Wikimedia projects -- to organize projects
throughout the year for up to USD 2,000. Projects can include experiments
or standard needs that don't need broad review to get started. Applications
are reviewed weekly by WMF staff.

Read more about the new program and apply here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid

Questions? Email rapidgra...@wikimedia.org

For more information about next steps and important dates for the grants
program redesign, please visit:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Reimagining_WMF_grants/Implementation

Cheers,

Alex

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Re: [Gendergap] Sharing knowledge about notable women from the Central and Eastern Europe

[Sydney Poore]

Natalia,

That's fantastic to hear. Makes my heart happy. <3
Sydney
On May 5, 2016 4:07 PM, "Natalia Szafran-Kozakowska" 
wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I'm not sure if you know the CEE Spring 2016 project. It is an article
> writing contest held on 29 language versions of Wikipedia aiming to gather
> knowledge about the countries of Central and Eastern Europe[1]. The
> participants write about different topics related to the region. But the
> topic that is supported the most are women biographies. We feel that this
> is important to inspire users to discover and share stories about the
> notable women from the region. You can read more about how we do it at the
> CEE Spring blog[2][3].
> Our ideas seem to be working - in some language versions more than 60% of
> biographies created during the contest are about women!
> The contest is still on (it will last till May 31) so it is still time to
> join us and write about Central European women. Especially that this week
> we are holding a special international challenge related to women in
> science and education[3].
>
> Natalia [[user:Magalia]]
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Spring_2016
> [2]
> http://ceespring.eu/blog/2016/04/21/cee-spring-participants-fighting-the-gender-gap/
> [3]
> http://ceespring.eu/blog/2016/04/30/week-of-women-in-science-and-education/
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[Gendergap] Katy Love promoted to Director of Community Resources

[Sydney Poore]

Hello everyone,

Yesterday, Maggie Dennis announced that Katy Love (WMF Senior Program
Officer, Funds Dissemination Committee) has been promoted to the Director
of Community Resources. She is replacing Siko Bouterse whose last day was
yesterday.

>From my first hand experience working with Katy, I know her to supportive
of programs, projects, and people who are working to increase participation
of women in the wikimedia movement, including women on BoT of affiliate
organization and other leadership positions.

So, I encourage people on this mailing list to participate in the WMF
grants programs in order to develop methods to engage more women.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082499.html

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:KLove_(WMF)
Warn regards,
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
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[Gendergap] Lila Tretikov's resignation, Executive Director search

[Sydney Poore]

With Lila Tretikov's resignation today, it will be important for people who
think it is important to increase participation by women to speak up about
it as a search is launched for a new Executive Director.

I encourage people to monitor discussions on meta about the qualifications
for a ED, and comment not just about diversity issues but to otherwise make
suggestions.

Lila Tretikov's resignation announcement
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082470.html

WMF Chair's preliminary announcement about transition plan
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/082472.html

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
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Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

[Sydney Poore]

Rob,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

I think it is a good recap of the situation and I support your overall
thinking.
Warm regards,
Sydney

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Rob  wrote:

>
> Thank you, Pete, for the reminder about this message. There's a lot going
> on this week.
>
> The response to the op-ed has given us a lot to think about. We expected a
> strong response and some objections, but we did not anticipate anything
> like this. We do want a response, and sometimes we deliberately try to
> provoke a negative response if we think the issue is important, as we did
> in this case. We do want to take into account the responses and consider
> the reasonable ones respectfully, even if we disagree with them, while
> reserving the right to respond appropriately to the responses that are
> ridiculous or offensive. Many of the responses rest on premises with which
> I fundamentally disagree (which I'll get to in a bit), so I doubt I will be
> able to find common ground with those particular editors, unfortunately.
>
> The biggest impression that was made on me by these responses was
> realizing how others see The Signpost. One commenter called Emily's column
> “an alternative weekly-style piece”. While I take our mission and
> specifically the news coverage quite seriously, I often see The Signpost as
> a cheeky alternative weekly whose mission is to be edgy and provocative.
> Until now, I did not realize how many people saw The Signpost not as an
> edgy outsider but as a Wikimedia institution and our newspaper of record,
> and feel that it has a responsibility to act more in the manner of The New
> York Times than The Village Voice. I don't want The Signpost to become
> stodgy or staid, but I wonder if I shouldn't take into account the views of
> those editors more often. It is heartening to see how important The
> Signpost is to so many editors, and I'd like to continue to be
> intellectually provocative while not needlessly offending those editors.
>
> My main issue with the objections is that want The Signpost to be or
> perceive it as only one thing. I want The Signpost to reflect the vast
> diversity of people and viewpoints in Wikimedia. I want it to be able to be
> more than one thing. Risker complained that we “would rather be
> sensationalistic than informative”. I want it to be both. I want it to be
> serious and funny, professional and irreverent, a cheerleader for Wikimedia
> and a gadfly that points out its flaws. We publish anywhere from four to
> twelve sections each week, from a variety of authors and viewpoints. News
> is different from Traffic which is different from the Arbitration Report
> which is different from whatever person is presenting their opinion in the
> Op-Ed section that week. Different authors present different viewpoints and
> different tones, in different ways in different pieces in different weeks.
> I want to experiment with new viewpoints and new formats to supplement what
> we're already doing. Perhaps this column was a failed experiment, but I
> don't regret trying it because if we don't risk failure we won't be able to
> improve The Signpost.
>
> This diversity of views and tones also applies to the issue of systemic
> bias and the author herself. This was one expression, it was never intended
> to be the final word on the issue of systemic bias, and there should be
> room in The Signpost and in the minds of its readers for multiple ways of
> dealing with that topic. This particular expression should not be expected
> to reflect the entire issue or all of its advocates, and the idea that an
> irreverent online column would prevent someone from attending an in person
> event related to this issue or reflects on all the people participating in
> the event is, frankly, baffling.
>
> Likewise, the author of that piece should not be limited in expressing
> herself in one particular way about Wikimedia issues. There are many ways
> we should be able to express how we feel about this thing that we love and
> that is so important to our lives. She can be professional with her
> professional dealings and also express herself in a bawdy, irreverent way
> in a different context. The idea that she cannot or should not be a
> multifaceted person and be able to express that is a limitation of the
> imaginations of some readers, but those limitations should not be imposed
> on the author herself.
>
> One objection we did not anticipate is the idea that this particular
> expression would be seen as offensive towards the scientists discussed in
> the piece. We thought it was fairly clear that this was a celebration of
> the lives and w

Re: [Gendergap] Nice presentation by FloNight on the Cochrane initiative

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you, Jane. I agree that reaching out to people in other languages is
important to see if we can run the update bot.

There are more talks today live or later on video that are focused on the
gender gap.The talks have been really good.

Sydney

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Hi all,
> Sydney did a great job presenting her work for the Cochrane initiative and
> I loved hearing about the link updates for existing medical articles on
> English Wikipedia. It would be great if we could get this working for other
> languages as well. She talks about the Women in Red project and some work
> coming up on this and women scientists in general.
>
> Her presentation at WIkiCon USA in D.C. yesterday is here (fast forward to
> about 5 hours in)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj6U22uJzGM
>
> Jane
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Meeting at the Wikiconference?

[Sydney Poore]

Looking forward to seeing you there.
On Oct 5, 2015 8:00 PM, "Francesca Tripodi"  wrote:

> Hello list members!
>
> I am not sure if any of you are planning on attending the upcoming
> conference in DC but it would be wonderful we we could organize a meet up
> for those who might be coming. In taking a look at the schedule it seems
> that lunch will be served on the first day. Perhaps we could plan to meet
> and eat together during this time (either at the conference or venturing to
> another location)?
> http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
>
> I am a graduate student working on how women and minorities are silenced
> in participatory media spaces and I'd love the chance to speak with more of
> you "off line" about your experiences.
>
> Safe travels to those attending -
> --
> Francesca Tripodi, PhD Candidate (Sociology)
> PhD Intern | Office of the Dean of Students
> ftripodi.com
>
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Publicpolicy] Introducing the public policy site

[Sydney Poore]

This is significant since good public policy work can make easier for all
women around the world to have access to Wikipedia to read and edit, to
have less concerns about censorship, and to protect the privacy of women
who want to edit on controversial topics.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration

-- Forwarded message --
From: Stephen LaPorte 
Date: Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 1:56 PM
Subject: [Publicpolicy] Introducing the public policy site
To: publicpol...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hi all,

We wanted to let you know about a new site that we launched to support your
work on public policy and communicate how public policy affects the
Wikimedia projects to advocacy groups (https://policy.wikimedia.org). The
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Re: [Gendergap] Women's health articles

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you, Ryan.

Sydney
On May 29, 2015 9:32 PM, "Ryan Kaldari"  wrote:

> Since the WikiProject proposal got a lot of positive feedback, I've gone
> ahead and created the page for the WikiProject here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women's_health
>
> It's extremely basic right now, but I'll try to flesh it out some more
> this weekend. If you're interested, please sign-up as a member on the
> project page and help tag articles using the project template:
> {{WikiProject Women's health|class=|importance=}}
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Neotarf  wrote:
>
>> Has anyone given any thought to Simple English Wikipedia?  I started
>> "Fistula" https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fistula which has so far
>> escaped the deletionists, and have FGM,
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation which is
>> very incomplete, on my list, since SV updated the enwiki article. BTW, I
>> took the fistula illustration from another language wikipedia, as it seemed
>> more appropriate to a younger and possibly more conservative readership.
>>
>> As a side note, since I don't know of any women who use Visual Editor, VE
>> has done something with its image search function.  If you have ever tried
>> to find an image about some subject on Commons, you know it can be almost
>> impossible.  But if you enable VE, go to the "insert" function, and tell it
>> to upload an image, it will suggest images to you that you would never be
>> able to find otherwise.
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 5:07 PM, keilanawiki 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>>
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Ryan Kaldari 
>>> Date:05/14/2015 3:22 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
>>> participation of women within Wikimedia projects." <
>>> gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> Cc:
>>> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's health articles
>>>
>>> I created a proposal here:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Women%27s_health
>>>
>>> Feel free to add yourself as a supporter or discuss the proposal in the
>>> discussion section.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Sydney Poore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Set it up and sign me up, too.
>>>>
>>>> Sydney
>>>> On May 14, 2015 8:39 PM, "keilanawiki"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let's do it - I'm happy to help set it up! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Ryan Kaldari 
>>>>> Date:05/14/2015 1:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>>>> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
>>>>> participation of women within Wikimedia projects." <
>>>>> gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's health articles
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Netha Hussain <
>>>>> nethahuss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thank you for bringing this to my notice! Could I get the link to
>>>>>> the article?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a little hard to find (which is actually the subject of the
>>>>> discussion): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidal_vulvovaginitis
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikiproject: Women's Health has been my personal dream for a long
>>>>>> time, but I couldn't yet get myself working on it because of commitments
>>>>>> elsewhere. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be happy to officially propose such a project (and help set it
>>>>> up) if there is interest from people.
>>>>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Women's health articles

[Sydney Poore]

Set it up and sign me up, too.

Sydney
On May 14, 2015 8:39 PM, "keilanawiki"  wrote:

> Let's do it - I'm happy to help set it up! :)
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Ryan Kaldari 
> Date:05/14/2015 1:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
> participation of women within Wikimedia projects." <
> gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's health articles
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Netha Hussain 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ryan,
>>
>>  Thank you for bringing this to my notice! Could I get the link to the
>> article?
>>
>
> It's a little hard to find (which is actually the subject of the
> discussion): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidal_vulvovaginitis
>
> Wikiproject: Women's Health has been my personal dream for a long time,
>> but I couldn't yet get myself working on it because of commitments
>> elsewhere. :-(
>>
>
> I would be happy to officially propose such a project (and help set it up)
> if there is interest from people.
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Announcing Inspire Campaign Grantees (Carol Mooredc)

[Sydney Poore]

Hi LtPowers,
Thank you for offering a thoughtful response.

It is hard to know the motivation of the people sabotaging this particular
on campus project. But in general I agree with your comment.

I share your perspective that many young adults are opposed to treating
people differently based on race and gender especially if a direct link is
not made to an economic or other specific type of disadvantage that needs
to be addressed to level the playing field. Even then, some people will
reject any solution that targets one group over another for special
treatment believing that the solution perpetuates the problem by continuing
to treat that group differently.

It's sad but not surprising to know that some people feel so strongly about
it that they would attempt to sabotage an on campus event.

Sydney



Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM, LtPowers 
wrote:

>  Allow me to suggest a somewhat less insidious explanation.
>
>
>
> Today's young adults have largely been brought up in an environment of
> egalitarianism. While we know that this environment isn't actually as
> egalitarian as it seems, and there are many privileges retained by the
> dominant demographics, today's college students by and large haven't been
> introduced to that concept yet. They're still operating under the primary
> and secondary school mindset in which boys and girls are treated (at least
> on the surface) equally.
>
>
>
> (Racial privilege operates similarly.)
>
>
>
> So young adults instinctively bristle when they see attempts to counter
> systemic bias, because a) they have never been shown that systemic bias,
> and b) they have an inherent predilection toward equal treatment. Any
> attempt to counter systemic bias (most famously affirmative action) is thus
> seen as unequal treatment and thus undesirable, unfair, or even immoral.
>
>
>
> It takes a concerted effort to demonstrate to (and thereby enlighten)
> members of the privileged categories that a modicum of unequal treatment is
> necessary in order to bring about a more equal society. Until that happens,
> young adults will use their newfound powers of persuasion and activism to
> rebel against any unequal treatment.
>
>
>
> If we view this more as a positive instinctual preference for fairness
> rather than as a negative instinctual defense of privilege, I suspect we
> might make more allies than enemies.
>
>
>
> Trust me -- I myself have only recently (in the last 4 years or so) come
> around to recognizing the inherent privilege my gender and race grant me.
> It is very hard to overcome the instinct to prefer equal treatment over
> unequal.
>
>
>
>
>
> Powers  &8^]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> *From:* J Hayes [mailto:slowki...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 05 May 2015 21:20
> *To:* Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
> participationof women within Wikimedia projects.
> *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Announcing Inspire Campaign Grantees (Carol
> Mooredc)
>
>
>
> the counter-flyers are like "men's rights"
>
> it's a rhetoric of role reversal
>
> the culture of privilege does not like to be challenged
>
> it must maintain a veneer, with critique muzzled
>
> it's more small group validation, than attempt at dialogue
>
> a FUD attempt to divide and conquer
>
> changing dominate culture to be more empathetic is a long term project.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Carol Moore dc 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for excellent comments. I should have been more specific than
> saying "trashed" and said the flyers were torn down, per article: "The DAAP
> edit-a-thon was not met without opposition on campus, as promotional fliers
> for the event were repeatedly torn down and replaced with a satirical “Wiki
> Dudes” poster featuring Martin Luther King Jr., Jesus, Albert Einstein and
> Abraham Lincoln."
>
> The good news is that on so many fronts and issues, not just Wikipedia,
> women are fighting back and that's the important thing... So overall I'm an
> optimist! :-)
>
>
>
> On 5/4/2015 6:10 PM, Ellie K wrote:
>
>   1. Thank you, Carol Moore dc, for writing an excellent response to what
> (I agree) was a very silly and irritating comment at the
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/05/01/meet-the-inspire-grantees/ post.
>
>
>
> 2. Regarding the edit-a-thons, you said:
>
> > Hmmm, looks like some guys even object to edit-a-thons, trashing
> their posters on campus...
> http://www.newsrecord.org/news/students-combat-gender-imbalance-online/article_

Re: [Gendergap] Women reluctant to comment online - any relation to the WP gender gap?

[Sydney Poore]

Likely yes. Women not making public statements in the same way as men is
not isolated to Wikipedia or the internet.

The article mentions the use of a respect button in addition to) a like
button to encourage people to stop trashing other peoples opinions. The
newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher
participate by women than most news comment areas.

Sydney
On May 2, 2015 8:05 PM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

>  Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?
>
>
>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-online-just-as-in-real-life-it-will-take-more-than-twitter-to-change-that
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
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[Gendergap] Fwd:WVU Gender Wikipedian in Residence for Inspire Campaign

[Sydney Poore]

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Carroll Wilkinson" 
Date: Apr 18, 2015 7:33 AM
Subject: Rejected email
To: "Sydney Poore" 
Cc:

> Hello -

> Sydney's observation recently that I would appreciate comments on my
proposal to get a Wikipedian in Residence established at West Virginia
University Libraries. Is correct. I am new to the Wikipedia community so I
will benefit from feedback during the rest of April. We are excited to
begin the work of addressing the Gender Gap in Wikipedia with the resources
of the University behind us. Thank you in advance for your perspectives and
advice.
>
> Carroll
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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [wikimedia-dc-internal] Wikipedian-in-Residence at West Virginia University Libraries

[Sydney Poore]

I believe Carroll Wilkinson, the key contact at WVU, joined this mailing
list last week. I'm sure that she would like to have feedback from people
on the list about the proposal both by email and on the talk page of the
proposal.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Wikipedian_in_Residence_for_Gender_Equity

Sydney

Sydney Poore
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at Cochrane Collaboration

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Sarah Stierch 
wrote:

> Cool!
>
> -- Forwarded message --
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> Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:54 AM
> Subject: [wikimedia-dc-internal] Wikipedian-in-Residence at West Virginia
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>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> FYI, West Virginia University Libraries are planning to set up a
> Wikipedian-in-Residence program focused on women and gender issues:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Wikipedian_in_Residence_for_Gender_Equity
> .
>
> I'm not sure whether they'll be funded by IEG, but we should reach out to
> them in any case, given that WV is technically in our region; we would
> probably want to collaborate with them in one fashion or another regardless
> of the funding situation.
>
> Cheers,
> Kirill
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Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.

[Sydney Poore]

Yes, and its patronizing to write a blog post about NPOV policy directed at
the community members who organize community outreach events for feminists.

Especially condescending towards art+feminism community organizers who
brilliantly executed a well thought out plan that included pre-event
training materials and sessions, as well as materials to be used the day of
the event.

Maybe, we could assume that the people planning the events understand
Wikipedia policy and don't need to be schooled about basic policy.

The blog portrays the attitude that feminists who plan events are not true
members of the community and need special scrutiny to keep them from
ruining content.

This is exactly the type of attitude that makes Wikipedia an unwelcoming
place for people who are not part of the dominant demographic group or are
newcomers with enthusiasm for improving Wikipedia.

Sydney
User:FloNight
On Apr 9, 2015 2:30 PM, "Ryan Kaldari"  wrote:

> I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we
> really need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing
> art articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights
> activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize
> off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a
> blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and
> trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If
> anything, having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep
> them in check.
>
> "Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male
> bias in them."
> This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the "dating"
> article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and seemed to
> be intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave articles with
> a male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever bias they
> started with.
>
> Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't
> write from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes
> and opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look
> better than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make
> great Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I
> would gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors!
>
> Kaldari
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes  wrote:
>
>> nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis:
>> "
>>
>> *What we don't need, however, is more feminists."*
>> is labeling and the double standard of "civility enforcement"
>>
>> as Djembayz said at Signpost:
>> "the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive
>> behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and
>> sea-lioning <http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/> randos who
>> congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with
>> impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to."
>>
>> until the systemic bias in "civility enforcement" is dealt with, your
>> thesis will be a dead letter with me.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This part of the "we" of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit
>>> Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women.
>>>
>>> What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are
>>> interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without
>>> being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can
>>> be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Sydney Poore
>>> User:FloNight
>>> On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, "Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia)" <
>>> lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list,
>>>>
>>>> My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom).
>>>>
>>>> I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism
>>>> <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism.>
>>>> and was encouraged to share it with this list.
>>>>
>>>> As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your
>>>> comments.
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Lukas Mezger
>>>>
>>&

Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.

[Sydney Poore]

This part of the "we" of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit
Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women.

What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are interested
in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without being
hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can be
neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it.

Warm regards,
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, "Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia)" <
lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de> wrote:

> Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list,
>
> My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom).
>
> I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism
> <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism.>
> and was encouraged to share it with this list.
>
> As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your
> comments.
> Regards,
>
> Lukas Mezger
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] Ask questions, give feedback on six annual plan grant proposals for the FDC!

[Sydney Poore]

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Katy Love" 
Date: Apr 7, 2015 11:48 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia Announcements] Ask questions, give feedback on six
annual plan grant proposals for the FDC!
To: 
Cc:

tl;dr:[0] Please join the community review for six annual plan grant
proposals requesting USD $1.5 million in movement funds. Add your questions
and comments to the proposals until April 30!

Hello Wikimedians,

Round 2 of the Annual Plan Grants program [1] is underway, and the
Community Review process is open for your comments and questions. In this
round, six proposals were submitted to the Funds Dissemination Committee,
by the Centre for Internet and Society, Wikimedia Armenia, Wikimédia
France, Wikimedia Italia, Wikimedia Norge, and Wikimedia ZA -- with total
requests of USD $1,531,687. [2] These six proposals, developed based on the
organizations' annual plans, include programmatic and operational costs,
and are requests for general funding.

This year (2014-2015), the FDC has USD $6 million to allocate to movement
organizations to help advance our strategic goals. In Round 1, $3,817,956
was allocated to movement organizations, [3] leaving $2,182,044 for Round
2.  In mid-May, the Funds Dissemination Committee will meet face-to-face,
prior to the Wikimedia conference, to deliberate on and then make
recommendations to the WMF Board of Trustees about how to grant funds to
these organizations, in order to achieve mission-related impact.

We invite you and all other community members to review any or all of the
proposals, and to share your thoughts and ask questions on the discussion
pages of the proposals. General questions or comments can also be made in
the General comments section. [4] The community review period lasts until
April 30, 2015. Applicants are also expected to respond to comments and
questions during this period, although they are not able to change the
proposal form itself after the submission date. The FDC will review the
discussion pages and will use the questions and comments as one of their
many inputs into the decision-making process. To join other community
consultations, visit the noticeboard. [5]

You can join in by reviewing the proposals [2] and adding your comments on
the discussion pages. Proposals are available in English, but comments and
questions can be made in any language. As a member of the Wikimedia
community, your review helps make the grantmaking process more transparent,
collaborative and robust. Feedback and questions from the community are an
important input into the proposal review process, and the FDC considers
them seriously.

The major milestones for the rest of this round is as follows: [6]

* Community review: 1 April 2015 - 30 April 2015
* Staff assessments published: 8 May 2015
* FDC deliberations: 12-14 May 2015
* FDC recommendation published: by 1 June 2015
* Appeals or complaints submitted: by 8 June 2015
* Board of Trustees decision: by 1 July 2015
* Start of new grant terms: 1 July 2015

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[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Too_long;_didn%27t_read
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Information
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round2
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2014-2015_round1
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round2/Community_review#General_comments
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[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Information#Calendar

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Re: [Gendergap] A path back for day-two editors (was: Wikipedia Day NYC 2015 mini-conferenceh for te project's 14th birthday)

[Sydney Poore]

I agree with Christine. There is good work being done as learning has taken
place about the strengths and weaknesses of edit-a-thons.

Because it has been know for a few years that one off edit-a-thons create
content but don't grow new users, now many people have been experimenting
with different ways to use edit-a-thons other than editor recruitment.
Having an edit-a-thon on a specific topic can increase the quantity and
quality of content on that topic even if the people never edit again. And
the people leave with a better understanding of Wikipedia and the behind
the scene working or the community that seem very mysterious to the outside
world.

And also regular meet ups to edit like WikiSalons or /Wiki Editing Clubs
are being tried in as a way to create a stable group of people who enjoy
editing together. These people are true Wikipedians even thought they might
not be high volume users. The can fill a needed niche in Wikipedia
especially if they are editing about topics that are under represented on
Wikipedia or they have an alternative perspective than the average
Wikipedian.

I'm launching an editing club in the topic area of oral health soon.
Because I always mention gender in my Cochrane Collaboration presentations
the women who edit in these clubs know that they are helping to balance the
gender gap on Wikipedia even though that was not their primary reason for
editing.Like most outside organizations Cochrane is at least 50% women. So
by doing these initiatives we are automatically helping the gender gap.
They see this aspect as an added benefit of our collaboration.

Sydney



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On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Christine Meyer 
wrote:

> Kerry and all,
>
> I've been thinking about much of what you wrote.  Being in this list has
> made me think about how to recruit and retain more female editors.  I
> attended Emily's training about how to conduct workshops and edit-athons in
> Washington, D.C. last fall, which was a very valuable experience.  Many
> things germinated during the training, including Rosiestep's creation of
> the Women Writers Project (I'm proud to say that I was present, in the same
> room, when she created it) and the planning stages of the GA Cup, which was
> hugely successful.  There was an off-hand remark made during the training
> that I think all the edit-athons and workshops that have occurred since has
> borne out--that the most successful edit-athons in terms of recruiting new
> editors have been reoccurring.
>
> I wonder if the answer is the creation of editing clubs, something that
> has been discussed here before.  The reason I'm thinking this way is that
> I'm preparing an educational session I'm leading at the end of April, at
> the District 9 Toastmasters spring conference in Yakima, Washington.  (I'm
> a very active Toastmaster, like I'm a very active Wikipedian.)  It won't be
> a workshop about how to edit WP, but a more general session about how to
> more effectively use WP to write speeches, although I am providing
> participants with a resource list about editing.  So I've been thinking
> about how being a Toastmaster has made me a better WP editor, and how being
> an editor has made me a better Toastmaster.
>
> I'm starting to believe that a more effective way to recruit editors is to
> create clubs like Toastmasters, which meet regularly (once or twice a
> month) and have a core of 7 or 8 people.  TM states that 20 members make a
> healthy club, and they should know; they've been in existence for 90
> years.  I agree that editors are born, not made.  (Which is ironic, because
> TM's tag line is, "Where leaders are made.")  Editing clubs, though, are
> ways to find those folks, and to mentor them through the complex WP
> policies.  If they exist on college campuses, they can be folded into the
> university's existing club structure.  They can, like TM clubs, be held in
> church basements or in hotel conference rooms or in hospital meeting rooms.
>
> I get what you say about experienced editors have little patience with the
> bungling newbies.  However, if it weren't for a few more experienced
> editors who mentored me through my bungling stage, I probably wouldn't be
> here today.  Adrienne Wadewitz, btw, was one of them.  I think that we, as
> experienced editors, have a responsibility to mentor newbies--to pay it
> forward like others helped us when we were newbies.  Shoot, I still need
> it.  For example, I'd say that I'm a very experienced editor, and I'm
> stupid when it comes to creating tables.  I'm getting assistance with that
> as we speak, in my most recent FLC (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedi

Re: [Gendergap] Progress of Inspire Grants – Gender gap campaign

[Sydney Poore]

Not sure, but that page might be picking up all of the ideas in the IdeaLab
not just the one for the Inspire campaign. The below link is to the ones
created specifically for the Inspire campaign.

*https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire#idealab-ideas
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire#idealab-ideas>*

This is the leaderboard for the ideas that people have taken an interest in
and endorsed.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Leaderboard

We need people who are interested in mentoring people to take their ideas
to proposals. So anyone who has experience making grant requests to WMF
through IEG, PEG, or FDC is invited to give advice about how to write a
proposal that can be measured to show impact.

Or if you see an idea that you like, look to see if you have a skill or
experience that the idea proposer needs and join the idea. Also, thoughtful
comments that identify strengths and weakness of an idea are always
welcome.

See you all in the IdeaLab :-)

Sydney

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On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Jodi Schneider 
wrote:

> The list of drafts appears to be here, Fae:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Ideas#idealab-drafts
>
> These are on all topics...
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Fæ  wrote:
>
>> Would someone like to summarize how the campaign is doing now it is
>> (presumably) half way through?
>>
>> From the IdeaLab page[1] there is a week left before the proposals
>> part of the campaign closes on the 1st April, with the expectation
>> that 100 ideas will be created. This deadline might be the wrong one
>> though, as the notice on the main PEG page[2] says the campaign is
>> open "February 1 - April 30".
>>
>> I admit to being confused by the structure on meta. After following
>> the links for the Inspire campaign, I cannot find a list of gender gap
>> related proposals open for community feedback and support. Perhaps
>> someone could point me in the right direction, or create a listing
>> page if it does not exist?
>>
>> Links
>> 1.
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire_Grants_%E2%80%93_Gender_gap_campaign#Measures_of_success
>> 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants:PEG&oldid=11234142
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Fae
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Re: [Gendergap] Progress of Inspire Grants – Gender gap campaign

[Sydney Poore]

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire

Main page for campaign.

Sydney
On Mar 23, 2015 8:07 AM, "Fæ"  wrote:

> Would someone like to summarize how the campaign is doing now it is
> (presumably) half way through?
>
> From the IdeaLab page[1] there is a week left before the proposals
> part of the campaign closes on the 1st April, with the expectation
> that 100 ideas will be created. This deadline might be the wrong one
> though, as the notice on the main PEG page[2] says the campaign is
> open "February 1 - April 30".
>
> I admit to being confused by the structure on meta. After following
> the links for the Inspire campaign, I cannot find a list of gender gap
> related proposals open for community feedback and support. Perhaps
> someone could point me in the right direction, or create a listing
> page if it does not exist?
>
> Links
> 1.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire_Grants_%E2%80%93_Gender_gap_campaign#Measures_of_success
> 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants:PEG&oldid=11234142
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
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Re: [Gendergap] Thank someone today.

[Sydney Poore]

I agree. I'm especially thrilled when someone notices an article about a
notable woman and thanks me for creating it. I usually thank them back!!!

Can't have too much wikilove!

Sydney
On Feb 4, 2015 7:12 PM, "Keilana"  wrote:

> I love the thanks button, it's such an easy way to add more positivity to
> the wiki and the world. :)
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Katherine Casey <
> fluffernutter.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have found myself using the "thank" button more than usual recently. In
>> the middle of all the turmoil that goes on onwiki, a simple "hey, that
>> thing you did that you thought no one noticed? Yeah, thanks for doing that"
>> goes a long way toward cancelling some of it out.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 6:52 PM, LB  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, Kerry. I try to use the "thank" button at least once a day.
>>>
>>> Lightbreather
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Kerry Raymond 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 We talk a lot of about the culture of Wikipedia being negative,
 critical,
 abrasive etc; this is a turn-off to a lot of women (and also to a lot of
 men). But what can we do to change that? Well, I thought about the way
 that
 postings get Liked on Facebook. Indeed, most postings get many Likes on
 Facebook. It seems if you read something and appreciate the post in any
 way
 (which includes when you agree with the poster that it is unhappy
 matter and
 hence unlikeable matter), you click Like.

 Well, I decided to try it on Wikipedia. Now, when I run through my
 watchlist
 (which I do most mornings), instead of just looking for what's wrong and
 needs to be fixed, instead if I see a positive contribution to an
 article,
 even a small one, I "thank" the contributor for the edit.

 And if I notice I am thanking someone quite a bit, I send them some
 Wikilove
 or a Barnstar. I notice a small increase in the number of thanks I am
 receiving. While I realise this may be simple reciprocation, I'd like to
 think I might be creating a small culture of appreciation in my topic
 space,
 hoping that people choose to Pay It Forward.

 So, that's my suggestion. Try thanking people on-wiki in the various
 ways
 available.  Become part of the niceness culture that we'd like
 Wikipedia to
 become known for.

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Re: [Gendergap] Computational Linguistics Reveals How Wikipedia Articles Are Biased Against Women

[Sydney Poore]

Hi, I think that there is a problem of not creating articles about women
who are notable in there own right but are mentioned in articles of family
members.

It is not uncommon to do use Wikipedias search for a notable woman and find
a mention of their name in articles about a family member. It can happen
the other way too, but I think there is still more of a a bias towards
thinking woman who are notable are daughters or wives of notable men and
looking for that link.

So, I encourage everyone to look for the link both ways equally.

Sydney
On Feb 4, 2015 7:07 PM, "WereSpielChequers" 
wrote:

> I think this one is worth looking beyond the headline.
>
> There are two specific areas where we fail, in the language we use when we
> write about women and in the relative lack of links to articles on women.
>
> The two areas where the study indicates we are doing OK are the two where
> we have put in a lot of work over recent years, covering the men and women
> in the same ratio as those benchmark sites, and putting women on the main
> page. Of course those areas are only OK if we accept that our task as a
> tertiary source is to reflect but not magnify the skews in the secondary
> sources.
>
> it would be good to know if the relative paucity of links to articles on
> women was simply down to fewer of the mentions of women being linked, or we
> had a deeper problem in that women were less likely to be mentioned in
> other articles. One problem is rather easier to fix than another, as a
> community we have been looking for new "entry level" tasks for some time,
> and adding more links to underlined articles could easily be one of them.
> Especially if we can get lists of "articles with few incoming links but
> multiple other articles that appear to mention the subject". I think I'll
> file a bot request for that.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan/WereSpielChequers
>
>
> > On 2 Feb 2015, at 22:12, Rob  wrote:
> >
> > MIT Technology Review: "Despite well-publicized efforts to promote
> > equality, Wikipedia articles are deeply biased against women, say
> > computer scientists who have analysed six different language versions
> > of the online encyclopedia."
> >
> >
> http://www.technologyreview.com/view/534616/computational-linguistics-reveals-how-wikipedia-articles-are-biased-against-women/
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Re: [Gendergap] Help write an article about American Airlines' first female commercial pilot

[Sydney Poore]

Hi Jodi,

The article is looking good.

I deleted the re-direct. You can do a page move into mainspace when you are
ready.

I think that it will make a great DYK!

Sydney



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On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Jodi Schneider 
wrote:

> In 1973, Bonnie Tiburzi became the first female pilot for a major
> commercial airline in the US. Her article redirects to AA.
>
> Want to help fix that? Here's a draft that needs improvement:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bonnie_Tiburzi
>
> -Jodi
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[Gendergap] Need for women as Wikipedians in Residence

[Sydney Poore]

One of the issues that faces anyone who tries to create Wikipedia articles
about women is that there is less details about their accomplishments in
reliable sources. This piece highlights the problem.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/30/colleen-mcculloch-well-celebrate-a-woman-for-anything-as-long-as-its-not-her-talent

For this reason, it is great for us to form initiatives with outside
organizations who generate content so we can reinforce the importance of
creating material that covers women's accomplishments in a greater level of
detail.

Our initiatives are a two way street. Working inside of GLAMs (Galleries,
libraries, archives, museums),  universities, government agencies, not for
profit organizations of all types gives us an opportunity to talk about the
best way that an organizations can create material suitable for Wikipedia.
And we gain a better understanding of how their content can be shared with
the wikimedia movement.

Wikipedian in Residence is one way for people to create initiatives with
outside organizations. Having women in these positions helps to decrease
biases. Some women are doing an awesome job in these positions now and in
the past.

My experience working at Cochrane Collaboration as Wikipedian in Residence
is positive and I encourage women to apply for these position when they are
posted.

Also, we can approach organizations that would be good partners for
creating content about women and organize initiatives with them.

If there is a strong interest, maybe we could have a google hangout call to
talk about this in more detail.


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Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case

[Sydney Poore]

I largely agree with Sarah.

After several years taking a break from using the Checkuser tool, in early
January I decided to actively join the the team again. So, I read all the
active ArbCom cases to familarize myself with the current controversies on
Wikipedia. During my reading of the GamerGate controversy evidence,
workshop, and proposed decison I never saw this case as people who were
feminists or strong advocates for eliminating systemic bias in Wikipedia.
So, I was shocked to see it being reported that ArbCom was purging
feminists!

This is not the first dispute that has been imported into Wikipedia
English, but it is one of the biggest and worst. Right now the people who
have reported on GamerGate in the media for months are reporting on the
ArbCom case. Some of these people have pretty entrenched points of view.
This is true of both sides.

The issue of off site harassment that is happening to Wikipedia editors. is
something that need to be addressed in a broader way and not put on ArbCom to
fix because that is beyond their ability to investigate and resolve. If you
are being harassed take Sarah's advice and take a break and find something
off or on wiki to do that feeds your soul.. Life is too short to let
Wikipedia ruin your life.


There are some reasonable people who are working to keep violations of BLP
out of the articles and off the talk pages and stop the constant fighting.
These people are not getting sanctioned. I truly appreciate the work that
they are doing in the face of the harassment and negative publicity in the
media.


Sydney

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Sarah Stierch 
wrote:

> I am now on digest mode with this mailing list. The traffic is often too
> much for me and the voice of this list is frustrating for me
> sometimes..so... remember that please :)
> ---
>
> I have been asked to share my thoughts by many people this morning on the
> internet, here they are:
>
> I have been editing Wikipedia for ten years and i have no clue what has
> been going on with the feminist/gamergate thing. As one of the more well
> known female editors i have cut back heavily on my involvement after last
> year. I don't know any of the editors, personally, who "went to court" but
> I have seen this stuff happen to both sides in men's rights articles in the
> past.
>
> After reviewing the Arbcom case, I don't even know who got the idea that
> any of the contributing editors are feminist, per se. No one even mentions
> the word, except once, when describing a subject that was "slandered" in
> the gamer gate article(s).
>
> I also don't think that the edits made to the article are overwhelmingly
> feminist in nature. It appears to be just a bunch of people editing the
> Wikipedia article to protect it from being a hot mess of 4chan junk.
>
> Note: most of the "in trouble" editor's aren't that productive at
> contributing feminist content to Wikipedia. I have interacted with only
> four of them - Black Kite, Future Perfect at Sunrise, TarainDC and Bilby -
> only one is a female in real life and I know her from GLAM editing
> projects. She is the only one that I know who has actively edited feminist
> topics prior to this. I actually consider Bilby an ally, but, I have never
> heard him or any of the other editors blatantly identify themselves as
> feminists.
>
> From what I know, only one of the editors on the entire "trial list"
> identifies out as a female.
>
> So, it appears a bunch of editors trying to keep the article clean had to
> run through the gauntlet. I don't think the end of the world has come to
> any of their lives - they have plenty of other subjects of interest to keep
> them busy on Wikipedia.
>
> I also think people invest *too much* into Wikipedia to where it's what
> they live for..per se. I see a lot of that in this case, and many others
> that "go to court" on Wikipedia. I stopped participating on Wikipedia when
> it screwed up my personal life so much, and I lost sleep over it. So...
> that's my advice to anyone involved in that Arbcom case :) Go on vacation
> and get another hobby and edit Wikipedia when you feel like it. It isn't
> life. It's just an encyclopedia.
>
> Sarah
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Re: [Gendergap] FYI - another trolling? Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Wikimedia-l

[Sydney Poore]

yes, I've been subscribed several time to it over the past few days.

Sydney

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On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Sarah Stierch 
wrote:

> Another trolling I think. A "Wikimedia Lesbians" group this time.
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "toby.dollmann (Google Groups)" <
> wikimedia-l+nore...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Jan 9, 2015 10:36 AM
> Subject: Google Groups: You've been added to Wikimedia-l
> To: 
> Cc:
>
> Some disturbing news entered my mailbox the past days. The grant
> making team is going to shut down the grantmaking process for Project and
> Event Grants (PEG) and Individual Engagement Grants (IEG) for three full
> months!
>
> They have decided that they want to focus only on a specific strategic
> priority: the gender gap, and that all other good projects are refused for
> 3 months (February-April)
>
> Good projects to be ignored, just because the WMF think those are less
> important. They say this is a positive campaign, but this sounds as a
> negative campaign to me. This discourages many volunteers in doing
> projects.With increasing vandalism and disruption the WMF seems looking to
> close some mailing lists for lack of volunteers. This is a negative signal
> to all those volunteers who are currently working on project plans.
>
> As LGBT related proposals will presumably be amongst the first to be
> rejected, a small actively moderated external mailing list for action is
> formed of engaged Wikimedians.
>
> About this group:
>
> A group for Wikimedian Lesbians
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[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Wikimedia Research showcase – October 15 2014, 11.30 PT

[Sydney Poore]

Reminder about the Research Showcase today that has an discussion of *Emotions
under Discussion: Gender, Status and Communication in Wikipedia.*
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-- Forwarded message --
From: Dario Taraborelli 
Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:26 AM
Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Wikimedia Research showcase – October 15 2014,
11.30 PT
To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities <
wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org>, "A mailing list for the Analytics
Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics." <
analyt...@lists.wikimedia.org>


After a break in September, we’re resuming our monthly Research and Data
showcase
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Research_and_Data/Showcase>. The
next showcase will be live-streamed
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyXqKa0hng> tomorrow *Wednesday October
15 at 11.30 PT*. As usual you can join the conversation via IRC on
freenode.net by joining the #wikimedia-research channel.

We look forward to seeing you there,

Dario


This month:

*Emotions under Discussion: Gender, Status and Communication in
Wikipedia**By David
Laniado <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sdivad>*: I will present a
large-scale analysis of emotional expression and communication style of
editors in Wikipedia discussions. The talk will focus especially on how
emotion and dialogue differ depending on the status, gender, and the
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Re: [Gendergap] The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech

[Sydney Poore]

Here is a better article about in Fortune.

http://fortune.com/2014/08/26/performance-review-gender-bias/

Sydney

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On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Sydney Poore  wrote:

> This article is interesting and relevant to the gender gap issue on
> Wikipedia.
> Sydney
>
> The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech
>
> http://www.inc.com/kimberly-weisul/insane-double-standard-for-tech-women.html
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[Gendergap] The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech

[Sydney Poore]

This article is interesting and relevant to the gender gap issue on
Wikipedia.
Sydney

The Insane Double Standard for Women Working in Tech
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Re: [Gendergap] Hi Gender Gap list

[Sydney Poore]

Welcome, Georgia. :-)

Looks interesting. I'll be sure to check it all out.

Sydney

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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Georgia Guthrie 
wrote:

> Hi there,
> I'm messaging from Philadelphia, where I've been the director of a small
> hackerspace named The Hacktory for a number of years. We've developed a
> devoted if small following that has a good gender balance, and we continue
> to attract people of different genders who value gender equality and
> diversity. I attended Adacamp DC two summers ago and thought it was
> awesome, and I've really enjoyed the posts Sumana Harihareswara on the
> Adacamp list has been sharing about her own reflections on the Gender Gap
> issue.
>
> At The Hacktory we also developed a workshop we call "Hacking the Gender
> Gap" to help people talk and understand the Gender Gap, which is been well
> received in  a number of
> technical and community groups. This also lead to me being invited to
> write about the topic for Make:Zine (Make Magazine's online blog) and r
> recently in their print magazine:
> http://makezine.com/magazine/make-40/where-are-the-women/
>
> I've found an overwhelming interest in this topic in our local community
> and visitors to The Hacktory, and I try to point them towards other
> resources
> and sources as much as possible. I'm very interested to be part of the
> discussion here for that reason but also to keep tabs on the conversation
> in general.
>
> Look forward to hearing more,
> Best,
> Georgia
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Cussler comparison

[Sydney Poore]

Maybe, it is based on sexism, and maybe it isn't. I think it is fair to
point out alternative points of view on this mailing list and to have a
discussion about it.

I don't think it is helpful to assign gender based systemic bias every time
an edit is questioned on women related topic. Plenty of people have similar
frustration about notability tags being placed on their newly created
articles especially on niche topics.

It can be really frustrating to have a notability tag added, or even worse
when an article is put up for deletion. We need to make sure that women who
are making good faith edits on women related topics get the support that
they need to put up with the frustration.

Sydney


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On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Leigh Honeywell  wrote:

> It's funny, I was editing this article on the GF wiki last night:
>
> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/You're_the_sexist
>
> Kathleen is not being sexist to be concerned that in an environment which
> has historically had a lot of very well established biases towards women,
> that there might be a gender aspect to what she saw. It is the height of
> denial to call such a reaction unwarranted.
>
> I'd ask that folks on the list take some time to consider that the volume
> of defensiveness directed at Kathleen is, in and of itself, part of the
> problem. I certainly think it is.
>
> -Leigh
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
>> Kathleen, the point I am trying to make is that your comparison is, well,
>> inherently sexist.  There is no basis on which to think that the articles
>> about books written by Cussler exist without challenge because Cussler is a
>> male author, or that [[October (novel)]] was tagged for notability because
>> the author is female.
>>
>> The October (novel) article is a stub that, at the time it was tagged for
>> notability, didn't give any reason for its notability. It was correctly
>> tagged; when reason for its notability was added, the tag was appropriately
>> removed.
>>
>> Books that sell hundreds of thousands of copies are generally notable all
>> by themselves, which covers the Cussler books (and the Stephen King books,
>> and the JK Rowling books, and the Agatha Christie books).   It's not always
>> about sex.
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>>
>> On 22 July 2014 14:06, Kathleen McCook  wrote:
>>
>>> My intention was to point out that a series of novels (Cussler's) that
>>> don't meet the criteria applied to __October__ have full pages. The two
>>> authors are in no way similar. In fact, they are as far apart as they could
>>> be. However, the male author has complete coverage of every jot and tittle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Risker  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe what caused the more in-depth examination was the creation of
>>>> a brand new, otherwise unlinked category for the book, which drew the
>>>> attention of a very different group of editors than the ones who pay
>>>> attention to works of fiction.  You've got the category-interested editors
>>>> looking at the article, instead of the fiction-interested editors.
>>>>
>>>> It's just a notability tag, it's already been removed, and I'm sure
>>>> folks will be able to find some more reviews about October (novel).
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it has anything at all to do with the fact that the
>>>> author is a woman.  As best I can tell, the only person comparing this
>>>> novel to Cussler books is you.
>>>>
>>>> Risker/Anne
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22 July 2014 13:39, Kathleen McCook  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The reason I asked to discuss here is to ascertain whether or not
>>>>> there seems to be a different set of notability standards by gender.
>>>>>
>>>>> I encourage students to contribute to Wikipedia.
>>>>> But when notability is an editor's decision with so many
>>>>> exceptions...how do you encourage?
>>>>>
>>>>> Really, I am careful and if a book by a brilliant woman like Zoe
>>>>> Wicomb causes notability queries..how, on earth, can this gender gap be
>>>>> addressed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is Ms. Wicomb's prize announcement at Yale.
>>>>> http://windhamcampbell.org/2013/winner/zo%C3%AB-wicomb
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

[Sydney Poore]

To add to Anne's comment. We also know that requests for checkuser can be
used to harass and troll. It is too often the response of someone who is
perturbed about being reported to escalate the dispute. Sometimes by
requesting sockpuppet investigations on the person who reported them.

Requests for checks can be done to out people who want to edit privately.
It is pretty easy to troll someone to the point that they respond with poor
conduct and then take them to dispute resolution and ask for check user on
them for one reason or another.

Sydney




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On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Risker  wrote:

>
>
> On 7 July 2014 11:12, Janine Starykowicz  wrote:
>
>> Risker wrote:
>>
>>> I also have a real problem with the idea of anonymous reporting
>>>
>>
>> What issues do you have with anonymous reporting? On my forum I have
>> reporting wide open to the world, no login/membership needed. Aside from
>> spambots that can find any link, mostly what I've seen is more biased
>> reporting: Posters will report transgressions by someone they don't like.
>> In most cases, it is a real transgression and something that needs cleaning
>> up. There are a few who narrowly interpret the rules (or make up their
>> own), but those are usually pretty obvious.
>>
>> The only question on seeing obvious bias would be could it scale. You
>> might need a database of notes from prior decisions, or maybe a trial
>> period of watching other decisions for new adjudicators.
>
>
>
> My problem with it is that it is quite frequently agenda-driven.  It's
> also creepy to think that we'd permit anonymous reporting and assessment to
> hold identifiable users accountable on a broad scale.  There may be a few
> exceptions (paedophilia advocacy is the one pretty much at the top of my
> list), but often that is as much to prevent unsupportable potentially
> libelous accusations from being made publicly.
>
>
>
>>  Many of our most seriously problematic sockpuppeting accounts are people
>>> who've been blocked for behavioural reasons - and we waste a huge amount of
>>> time trying to keep them off the site.
>>>
>>
>> I definitely agree with this. Is there any way to track cellphone users?
>> Their variable IP addresses are as bad as the old AOL days.
>
>
> It would be a major violation of the Wikimedia privacy policy to "track"
> anyone without there being a legitimate and documentable belief that they
> have violated the terms of use.  Remember that any practice that can be
> used against 'bad' users can also be turned against 'good' users - because
> bad and good is in the eye of the  beholder.  I think this is an area where
> there is a massive split in the international community about its value and
> appropriateness - particularly in Europe the personal privacy of users
> takes precedence over just about everything else.  It's relatively easy to
> persuade an English Wikipedia checkuser to do a check provided there are
> reasonable grounds, and we can do so without a formal public request and
> discussion.  On some other projects, the rules are extremely strict,
> checking cannot be done absent a public request, and every check that is
> done is documented publicly (that is "Checkuser A checked Account B for
> sockpuppetry on DMY, result was "  - private info not publicly posted).
> This is very much a cultural thing.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Janine
>>
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

[Sydney Poore]

ggerstreet.com/labs/Help?faqCat=Hall%20of%20Justice )
>>
>> A Wikipedia variation on it might include:
>> * editors would need a certain number of edits before they are eligible
to become an arbitrator
>> * there would be a time-limit from the end of being blocked before being
eligible for 'arbitration duty'
>> * administrators / senior figures would be ineligible to be arbitrators
>> * 'cases' for arbitrators to consider would be assigned randomly by
computer
>> * it would be prohibited for an arbitrator to tell those involved in the
case that they have been allocated it
>> * 50% of those asked to consider a case would have to be female (other
quotas might be relevant for other demographics)
>> * there would be a limit to how many cases an arbitrator could ask for
in a certain time period (I actually envisage it being more like a cross
between jury service and those user talk page notices that there is a
discussion taking place somewhere
>>
>> These might be more technically difficult:
>> * cases would only go to arbitrators whose edit history is generally in
a different subject area - so someone complaining about a dispute about a
particular scientific point would have their complaint go to an arbitrator
whose edit history is in, say, historical BLPs
>> * a limit to the number of times you could go through the arbitration
process with the same case
>>
>> Cases would only go forward for administrators to get involved with if
enough arbitrators agreed that it merited being put forward.
>>
>>
>> > On a slightly different note:
>> Everyone seems to be mentioning the different ways in which the rules
are applied to male vs. female editors. Is it possible to run a query or
get hold of statistics for the average length of time female editors get
blocked for, versus how long male editors are blocked for? Perhaps a table
that takes account of the editors' participation levels prior to the block?
>>
>> Marie
>>
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 21:23:18 -0400
>> > From: carolmoor...@verizon.net
>> > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)
>>
>> >
>> > When I was a little girl in the 1950s and 60s we were told to be
passive
>> > and pray for what we wanted. Thank heavens self-actualization and
womens
>> > liberation came along and we discovered "well-behaved women seldom
make
>> > history." (Nicely covered at
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Thatcher_Ulrich )
>> >
>> > If we want the guys to change we gotta keep busting their chops about
>> > being civil, within the limits of civility of course. On a one on one
>> > basis, day after day after day. And even though no matter how civil we
>> > are, SOME of them still will think it is we who are being uncivil.
>> >
>> > It's a dirty job, but it's gotta be done.
>> >
>> > And the more guys who help promote civility and are willing to counter
>> > the good-old-boy mentality, the better... :-)
>> >
>> > On 7/3/2014 3:18 PM, Sydney Poore wrote:
>> > > There was an attempt to address the civility problem on Wikipedia
>> > > English with a top down approach at the very start of Sue Gardner's
>> > > time at WMF. Sue, Jimmy Wales, myself, and a group of half dozen
other
>> > > people talked about it in a closed group. It failed because a top
down
>> > > approach is not effective on Wikipedia because policies can not be
>> > > enforced from the top. Policies need to be made that a large part of
>> > > the community agrees at proper and enforceable.
>> > >
>> > > I would be willing to assist a group that wants to take another run
at
>> > > it. But there are significant challenges with enforcing a civility
>> > > policy on a global community where cultural norms differ at great
>> > > deal. So, we need to be careful that an attempt to assist one group
of
>> > > users does not make it harder for other groups of people who are
also
>> > > under represented on Wikipedia English.
>> > >
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Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

[Sydney Poore]

There was an attempt to address the civility problem on Wikipedia English
with a top down approach at the very start of Sue Gardner's time at WMF.
Sue, Jimmy Wales, myself, and a group of half dozen other people talked
about it in a closed group. It failed because a top down approach is not
effective on Wikipedia because policies can not be enforced from the top.
Policies need to be made that a large part of the community agrees at
proper and enforceable.

I would be willing to assist a group that wants to take another run at it.
But there are significant challenges with enforcing a civility policy on a
global community where cultural norms differ at great deal. So, we need to
be careful that an attempt to assist one group of users does not make it
harder for other groups of people who are also under represented on
Wikipedia English.

Sydney

Sydney

Sydney

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On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Leigh Honeywell  wrote:

> The more I hear about this, the more I think this is something that
> WMF needs to address at an institutional level (Board etc.) to resolve
> these process issues and loopholes. Has this ever been taken "up the
> chain"?
>
> -Leigh
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari 
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Risker  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> You know, I sat on Arbcom for five years, and there were several
> occasions
> >> when I practically begged those complaining about the behaviour of
> certain
> >> individuals to initiate a casebut nobody wanted to do that...
> >
> >
> > Well, you know I did actually take one of the worst misogynists on
> en.wiki
> > to ArbCom,[1] and it was such a horrible experience that I decided to
> never
> > do it again. After giving up a month of my life to the case and enduring
> > constant harassment during the process, all of the evidence that I
> > painstakingly assembled, presented, and defended was completely ignored
> by
> > ArbCom, and instead he was banned for a year for making a legal threat.
> He
> > is now free to return on the condition that he simply agrees not to make
> any
> > more legal threats. You were actually on that ArbCom panel, Risker, so I
> > don't really understand your argument that taking incivil editors to
> ArbCom
> > is a good idea. To me it is worse than a waste of effort, it is actually
> > counterproductive and an invitation to be relentlessly harassed.
> >
> > 1.
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Alastair_Haines_2&oldid=360884518
> >
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Re: [Gendergap] WikiWomen at Wikimania

[Sydney Poore]

I like that time too (lunch on Sunday) if an adequate space to accommodate
a large group of women is available then. I expect that we will have a
large turn out this year if we do a good job of publicizing it.

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On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Edward Saperia 
wrote:

> I think that'd be the easiest way to insert into the process for us.
>
> We can do it any time of day - just state any preferences on the meetup
> page and we'll do our best to find an appropriate space.
>
> *Edward Saperia*
> Conference Director Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org>
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>
>
> On 3 July 2014 16:39, Siko Bouterse  wrote:
>
>> Traditionally it has been a WikiWomen's lunch, and we generally like to
>> have a dedicated space at the conference for it. Ellie tells me she's
>> looking into a room at the venue - I'd suggested lunchtime on Sunday August
>> 10th, right before the gender workshops begin.
>>
>> Is a meetup page the expected way for organizing/advertising it this year?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Edward Saperia 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Would anyone coming to Wikimania like to volunteer to host a meetup for
>>> WikiWomen? I think this has happened at most Wikimanias, but nobody has set
>>> one up for the coming one yet.
>>>
>>> https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups
>>>
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Re: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale

[Sydney Poore]

I agree with Ryan that the wiki etiquette board was not helpful in many
situations largely because people who regularly patrol the board are often
people formerly brought to the board with issues about civility. While the
average editor stays away from this area. So often the discussions are less
productive than the average discussion on Wikipedia.

Sydney
On Jun 23, 2014 2:19 PM, "Ryan Kaldari"  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Derric Atzrott <
> datzr...@alizeepathology.com> wrote:
>
>> * bring back Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance since women may not want to
>> got to WP:ANI for low grade constant nonsense
>>
>> Would support wholeheartedly.
>>
> The problem with Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance was the same as the
> problem with AN/I. As soon as someone took a complaint to
> Wikiquette_assistance people like Baseball Bugs would make fun of them for
> being too sensitive and it would basically turn into forum for criticizing
> the person who complained. No one at Wikiquette_assistance took complaints
> seriously, so it just ended up making things more frustrating for the
> person who was being harassed.
>
> If we want a forum that is more effective, I think we should adopt some of
> the ideas from the Teahouse. Primarily, by having the responders be vetted
> volunteers that are expected to provide a minimum level of helpfulness. All
> the peanut gallery responders who are just there for the lulz should be
> banned.
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Derric Atzrott <
> datzr...@alizeepathology.com> wrote:
>
>> * bring back Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance since women may not want to
>> got to WP:ANI for low grade constant nonsense
>>
>> Would support wholeheartedly.
>>
>> * take complaints about harassment in general more seriously
>>
>> Also would support wholeheartedly.
>>
>> * Have a "class action" Arbitration on Sexism/Double standards so that
>> discretionary sanctions could be imposed on obvious incidents
>>
>> Strong support.
>>
>> * (new one) quota of 1/3 women admins and 1/3 women arbitrators (and
>> other positions?)
>>
>> I’m not sure this would be enforceable, but I would highly support
>> encouraging more women to take up these positions.  The process for
>> becoming an admin or arbitrator really needs some work as well.  From what
>> I understand becoming an admin is hellish.  People dig through everything
>> you’ve ever done and call you out on anything going all the way back to the
>> beginning of time.  It might not actually be that way, I’ve not really
>> participated in them, but if it is, that is a problem and probably a big
>> deterrent to a great deal of folks.
>>
>> * (new one) A GenderGap wikiproject on every wiki, since it can be
>> troublesome having to go all the way to
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap to contact women about what to
>> do with specific issues; (wikiprojects like feminism and gender and womens
>> studies more article and policy related than recruitment and problem
>> solving related)
>>
>> Would support.  Given that many people don’t ever leave their homewiki,
>> and a lot of new people probably don’t even know Meta exists, this could be
>> highly beneficial.
>>
>> The archives probably have other early suggestions by women I've
>> forgotten.  Now a days the only alternatives seem to be doing studies,
>> counting numbers, posting mainstream media articles about what Wikipedia is
>> allegedly doing and links to problematic articles.
>>
>> Not enough to solve the problem.
>>
>> Studies are useful.  This particular study shows promise I think:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_and_Wikipedia For
>> allies these sorts of things help us understand what we are actually trying
>> to accomplish and metrics are useful for determining if we’ve actually made
>> any progress.  It is hard to quantitatively measure a culture though.  This
>> sort of research also publicises the problem, which is something that there
>> can never be enough of I think.
>>
>> Maybe it would be worth making threads for some of these ideas.  If no
>> one else does, I’d be happy to.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Derric Atzrott
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Re: [Gendergap] A reason to celebrate

[Sydney Poore]

I truly appreciate your work on this and related articles. They stand out
as an example of the high quality of work that Wikipedians can produce.

Warm regards,
Sydney
On Jun 9, 2014 1:16 AM, "Christine Meyer"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Yes, I'm responsible for the Angelou article.  I must say, when I saw the
> view counts in the Signpost, I was overwhelmed and honored that for my part
> in bringing Dr. Angelou's bio article, as well as all seven of her
> autobiographies, the list of her works, and articles about her poetry and
> themes in her autobiographies, all to FA status.  I also feel proud that
> the English WP honored this great artist with high-quality articles when
> the world most needed them.
>
> Like with the other article you mentioned, the Angelou articles all had
> Adedewit's influence.  Early in my WP editing career, way back in 2007, she
> mentored me.  She (along with User:Scartol) basically led me by the hand
> through the article development process  as we worked on [[I Know Why the
> Caged Bird Sings]], Angelou's first autobiography.  She taught me how to do
> research, gather sources, write scholarly, and find appropriate images.  I
> remember going to her talk page at one point, and freaking out because I
> felt overwhelmed by the fact that here I was, a middle-aged white woman
> from the West Coast, trying to write about racism and childhood rape.  She
> was very calm with me and told me, "Well, you took this on and now you need
> to finish it."  Which eventually I did.  We suffered a terrible loss this
> year.
>
> I'm thankful for being exposed to the life and writings of Dr. Angelou,
> something I wouldn't have done if it weren't for WP.  Millions of people
> looked at something that I basically wrote, and that's incredible to me.
>  It makes all the gender gap garbage we go through worth it.
>
> Christine/Figureskatingfan.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Yana Welinder 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Risker,
>>
>> That is awesome!  I was really pleased to see that too.  Thanks to
>> everyone who worked on the two articles!
>>
>> On a somewhat related note, I started a twitter account this week (as a
>> minor side project) to tweet about notable women on their birthdays with
>> their Wikipedia articles to raise awareness:
>> https://twitter.com/sis_ninja. If anyone on this list have particular
>> Wikipedia articles that you would like to be included, please shoot me an
>> email.
>>
>> Best,
>> Yana
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Risker  wrote:
>>
>>> Looking at the Signpost today, I was really pleased and pleasantly
>>> surprised to discover that the top two most-viewed articles this past week
>>> were biographical articles about women.  Not only that, they were both
>>> featured articles, so our reading public got a really good, informative
>>> article.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-06-04/Traffic_report
>>>
>>> A thank you to Christine for the Maya Angelou article, and to Sage Ross
>>> (with support from Awadewit) for the Rachel Carson article.
>>>
>>> Risker/Anne
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[Gendergap] Asking for volunteers to help assess the WMF FDC Proposal.

[Sydney Poore]

Hello,

I want to encourage people on this mailing list to volunteer to assess the
Wikimedia Foundation's draft of the annual plan that is now in the review
phase with the Fund Dissemination Committee. I've included a forwarded
email from Sue Gardner that gives an overview of the this year's process
for drafting the WMF annual plan.

In addition to the general community review, the Fund Dissemination
Committee is looking for members of the community to do a through assess of
all or part of the draft WMF proposal that is submitted on Meta as part of
Round 2 proposals.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikimedia_Foundation/Proposal_form

As an experiment we are having a team of people do a review of the  WMF
proposal that is similar to the Staff Assessment that is done by the WMF
staff that support the FDC. We would like to include people from the
community at large as well as people in both large and small WMF chapters,
and thematic organizations.

In addition to a general call for help, we will be directly asking people
to help. If you know of anyone who would be a good fit for this work, or
would like to help yourself, let me know. We need to get moving on this
work right away, so send me names by next Monday April 14.

Additionally, the talk pages of all Round 2 proposals are available for
comments. The organizations writing the proposals spend a good bit of time
writing them, and appreciate comments about them from the community.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2

Warm regards,
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Member of FDC

-- Forwarded message --
From: Sue Gardner 
Date: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:05 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 


Hey folks,

The purpose of this note is to remind you that the WMF will be
participating in the FDC Process Round 2, which begins tomorrow. I'd
like to invite you to comment on the plan-in-progress, which will be
at this URL within about 24 hours:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/Wikimedia_Foundation/Proposal_form

The WMF welcomes your thoughts on the draft plan. Of course you're
free to ask questions and make comments on whatever aspects of it
interest you, but we'd probably find high-level input the most useful.
Does it seem to you that the WMF's 2014-15 planning is generally on
the right track? Do you believe the four "crucial initiatives" as
described in the draft are where the WMF should be focusing its
energy? What do you think about our plans WRT the technical
infrastructure, our mobile work, editor engagement, and non-technical
movement support? Bearing in mind that we're an organization focused
fairly narrowly on product & engineering and on grantmaking, is there
anything really significant that you see as missing from the draft?
Are we missing any important risks to the organization or to the
movement overall?

Please don't reply here, because your input might get missed by the
people who should see it. Please reply on meta, at the link above.

And a few explanatory caveats:

First, it's important to know that the plan, at this point, is draft.
That's new. Last year the WMF submitted material after it had been
approved by the WMF Board and after the fiscal year had begun. That
was an okay first step to getting input from community members, but
obviously the input will have more impact if we get it before the
plan's locked down. That's why this year we're submitting a draft
version of the WMF plan, rather than a final version. We've
deliberately synched up the timing of the WMF planning and FDC review
processes such that the community/FDC input will come in during April
and early May, which is exactly when the plan is being actively
refined and revised on a near-daily basis by the team responsible for
it (primarily the C-level people, and also the people who work in
their departments).The benefit of this timing is that community/FDC
input can easily be incorporated into our thinking while we're
actively discussing and rethinking and revising internally at the WMF.
The drawback is it means you'll be reviewing material that is still a
work-in-progress, and so you may find mistakes. The plan may also be a
little confusing, which is partly because it's still in-progress, and
also partly because we are merging this year the original
WMF-Board-only format with the FDC proposal requirements. It'll be a
little clunky: we ask you to bear with us as we work out the kinks.

Second. You'll need to bear with us if we seem a little slow or
unresponsive during the discussions. It's a busy time for the WMF:
we're currently actively recruiting my successor as ED, which means
Erik, Geoff, Gayle and I are far busier than we normally would be.
And, the WMF will be working

[Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Ombudsman Commission applications

[sydney . poore]

Hi there,

I've been on this volunteer committee for the past several years. I'm leaving 
and would like to have a women remain on the Ombudsmen Commission. So I 
encourage women to self nominate who has experience using the checkuser tool or 
the technical ability to learn to use it. 

I'll be happy to answer questions about the work. 

Sydney


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Maggie Dennis 
> Date: December 10, 2013, 9:04:09 EST
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List , Functionaries 
> email list for the English Wikipedia 
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Ombudsman Commission applications
> Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> 
> Hi
> 
> It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members
> to serve on the Ombudsman commission. This commission works on all
> Wikimedia projects to investigate complaints about violations of the
> privacy policy, especially in use of CheckUser tools, and to mediate
> between the complaining party and the individual whose work is being
> investigated. They may also assist the General Counsel, the Executive
> Director or the Board of Trustees in investigations of these issues. For
> more on their duties and roles, see
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
> 
> This is a call for community members interested in volunteering
> for appointment to this commission. Commissioners should be
> experienced Wikimedians, active on any project, who have previously used
> the CheckUser tool OR who have the technical ability to understand the
> CheckUser tool and the willingness to learn it. They are expected to be
> able to engage neutrally in investigating these concerns and to know when
> to recuse when other roles and relationships may cause conflict. (In the
> past, commissioners have turned in other roles that could cause conflict.)
> 
> Commissioners are required to identify to the Wikimedia Foundation and
> must be willing to comply with the appropriate board policies (such as
> the access to non-public data policy and the privacy policy). This is
> a position that requires a high degree of discretion and trust.
> 
> If you are interested in serving on this commission, please drop me a
> note detailing your experience on the projects, your thoughts on the
> commission and what you hope to bring to the role. The commission is
> deliberately quite small, so slots are limited, but all applications are
> appreciated. The deadline for applications is January 1. Any timezone. :)
> 
> Please feel free to pass this invitation along to any users who you
> think may be interested.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Maggie
> 
> 
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Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Edit-a-thon for editing articles on violence against women

[Sydney Poore]

Hi there Rohini,

This sounds like a great idea. I plan to participate too remotely. And I'll
be happy to be a resource to help people figure out if specific content
meets the content policy and guidelines on Wikipedia English. Or help them
to rewrite it so that it does.
Warm regards,
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight






On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Rohini Lakshané  wrote:

> This weekend I'm remotely participating in an edit-a-thon for editing
> articles pertaining to violence against women. (The text of the event
> announcement is attached.) Has anyone else conducted or participated in
> events specific to articles on violence against women, sexual violence,
> sexual harassment, and similar topics? I'd like to hear your experiences.
>
> Regards,
> Rohini
> --
> Chairperson (Special Interest Group), Gender gap,
> Wikimedia Chapter (India)
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Rohini Lakshané 
> Date: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM
> Subject: Wikipedia edit-a-thon on Dec 7-8 in Delhi for articles on
> violence against women
> To: Wikimedia India Community list 
>
>
> Breakthrough, a global human rights organisation that runs campaigns such
> as Bell Bajao, and Wikimedia Chapter (India) are conducting a Wikipedia
> edit-a-thon in Delhi on December 7 and 8 for editing articles pertaining to
> violence against women. Facebook page of the event:
> http://www.facebook.com/events/181325168737101
>
> *Basic idea behind this session*:  A crucial problem with several
> Wikipedia articles on sexual violence, especially in the Indian context, is
> that often there are no articles or that articles have been deleted. It
> would be a knowledge advocacy session to increase gender sensitive editing
> in Wikipedia.
>
> The session will involve editing of articles pertaining to various aspects
> of violence against women in India. A list of about 10 Wikipedia articles
> has been drawn up for editing.  The session will be live-blogged. Remote
> participation will be enabled through IRC channels.
>
> The edit-a-thon is a part of the "16 days of activism against gender based
> violence" starting 25th November (International Day for the Elimination of
> Violence against Women) to 10 December (International Human Rights Day).
> This is a global campaign that aims at raising awareness about gender-based
> violence as a human rights issue. This hackathon will be mainly focussed
> towards data visualisation and several organisations are providing us with
> statistical datasets and other kinds of data including audio and video.
> --
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Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

[Sydney Poore]

Hi ,

Today I began the discussion about establishing a Wikimedia Foundation
affiliated user group around the topic of addressing the gender gap in
Wikimedia Foundation projects. I see this as being an international
organization where people from all over the world can work together on this
common cause.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gender_gap_strategy_2013#Establishing_a_WMF-affiliated_user_group

The threshold for being recognized is pretty low., only 3 people, but I
would not want to go for affiliation with less than 10 interested people.
And I hope we can attract many many more.

I plan to discuss this in Berlin at the Diversity Conference but want to
make it clear that the organization is open to every one interested in
actively working on the topic. So please spread the word.

I put a sign up space in the thread so we can capture the initial interest
that came out of this thread.

One of the key discussion will be the name of the group. So everyone put
their thinking caps on so we can make this decision within the next month
of so.

Sydney Poore


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Nathan  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sydney  wrote:
> > Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take
> the
> > lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there
> > definitely is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing
> to
> > assist as their time permits.
>
>
> That's unfortunate. I understood the narrowing focus to mean not
> placing WMF offices and contractors around the world, or doing sort of
> boots on the ground face to face outreach. Since usability initiatives
> and some other programs are still ongoing, it seems like the gender
> gap should've stayed on the table for direct involvement even if not
> through the vehicle of the fellowship program. Too bad.
>
> That said, there are chapters who receive hundreds of thousands of
> dollars in funding from the FDC despite having objectively achieved
> very little to date; certainly that means there is an opportunity
> there for people with an interest in dedicating themselves full time
> to this work to be compensated fairly through a funded WMF affiliate.
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Re: [Gendergap] Chemical Heritage Foundation's new Wikipedian in Residence

[Sydney Poore]

Very awesome news!!

Sydney

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> It's official! The Chemical Heritage Foundation in Philadelphia,
> Pennsylvania, has a Wikipedian in Residence...and it's a woman! They told
> me it's official, and encouraged me to share the news (it's not online
> yet).
>
> This marks, as far as I know, the third woman Wikipedian in Residence in
> the US! I'm so pleased. She's active in some great women's history projects
> too:
>
> https://twitter.com/MMOckerbloom
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mary_Mark_Ockerbloom
>
> I'm so pleased with this decision! I know she has interested in doing
> women's history stuff in relation to chemistry - so yay, more work for
> WikiProject Women scientists :) I'm hoping I can get her to join this list!
>
> -Sarah
>
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Please welcome Liz Kent Leon, our new co-moderator

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you Liz for volunteering for the extra job.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight


On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

>  Hi everyone,
>
> Please welcome Liz Kent Leon, our new co-moderator of the gender gap list.
>
> Liz is a librarian at Sweet Brian College, a small women's college in
> Virginia. She started, and continues to maintain Gifts of Speech[1], the
> world's largest, free, online, collection of full-text speeches by women in
> the world. She's active on social media, tweeting[2] about women's issues
> and maintaining Sweet Briar's Gender Studies Facebook page. She
> participated in the recent THATcamp Feminism events and has participated in
> the National Women's Studies Association conference.
>
> She started editing Wikipedia in 2008, and has written two articles in the
> process. She's been an active member of the Women's Studies Email List and
> brings her experience from that list with her to help co-moderate Gender
> Gap-L.
>
> Welcome co-moderator Liz, and thank you for volunteering.
>
> -Sarah
>
>
> [1] http://gos.sbc.edu/
> [2] https://twitter.com/LizLintonKent
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Final WikiWomen's Collaborative post + end of my fellowship

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you, Sarah for sticking your ore in the water and paddling up stream.
:-) :-)

IMO, you raised awareness about the gender gap and tried several projects
that are going to have a long term effect on the way that we deal with new
users as Wikipedia tries to be more diverse.

Good luck in the next year!!
Warm regards,
Sydney

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

>  Hi everyone,
>
> I wanted to share my report about the WikiWomen's Collaborative with you.
> It's a project I developed as a way to engage and build community around
> experienced and potential women editors and contributors to Wikimedia
> projects. My fellowship ends this week, and I'll be writing a blog about my
> experience. But, please do know: I am so grateful to everyone who has been
> involved in the past year. Just knowing I had a community of people to come
> to really means a lot - it's been an emotional and remarkable experience.
> I'll be writing a more formal blog about the past year, soon.
>
> --
>
> Here are my report:
>
>
>-
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:WikiWomen%27s_Collaborative/Final_report
>
>
> The highlight for me is seeing that women involved in the Collaborative
> started editing more than ever in September - the same time when the
> project launched.
>
> You can also find the main page for my fellowship here:
>
>
>-
>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Fellows/Sarah_Stierch
>
>
> I hope you'll join us in the project and get involved:
>
>
>- http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomen%27s_Collaborative
>
>
> --
>
> I am moving back to volunteer status in regards to my gender gap work. I
> am still doing public speaking, presentations and all the stuff that goes
> with spreading word about the importance of women's involvement. But,
> please do remember: I'm a volunteer again and have three jobs :)
>
> If you're curious as to what I'm up to right now:
>
> -I'm serving as US OpenGLAM Coordinator for the Open Knowledge Foundation
> -I'm doing a Wikipedian in Residency at the World Digital Library
> -I also run my own consulting firm where I work with public and private
> clients around the world doing museum curatorial work, marketing,
> lecturing, blahblahblah.
>
> I'm also hoping I can do some more projects with Wikimedia, so we'll see!!
>
> Thank you again for all of the support this list has given me. I am
> indebted.
>
> In wikilove,
>
> Sarah
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia Women Workshop in Mumbai Report

[Sydney Poore]

Krutikaa,

Congratulations. I'm thrilled to hear that the workshop went well.

Sydney Poore
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On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Krutikaa Jawanjal wrote:

> A Day Spent well.
>
> The Wikipedia Women Workshop which took place on November, 4th 2012 in
> Vidyalankar Institute of Technology (VIT), Wadala was indeed a
> success.
>
> The people who volunteered in organizing this workshop were Bishakha
> Datta, Moksh Juneja, Karthik Nadar, Pranav Curumsey, Pradeep Mohandas,
> Anshuman Fotedar, Aditi Juneja, Harriet Vidyasagar, Nikita Belavate,
> Netra Parikh, Noopur Raval, Netha Hussain.  All discussions and
> planning done while organizing this workshop for women paid off. In
> all, 70+ women participants attended the workshop.
>
> The workshop started with a short introduction after which, wasting no
> time, the women participants moved on to learning how to edit
> Wikipedia which was though by the present on ground volunteers. The
> participants were were divided in groups and every group had to create
> a new article which wasn't already available on Wikipedia. In the
> process, women interacted with the volunteers, asked question
> regarding Wikipedia. Every group at least had added introduction to
> the new article.
>
> Having done with the basic editing, a general presentation on
> Wikipedia was given by some of the volunteers. This was followed by
> question and answers regarding the same. By this time, it was already
> 1.30pm, so the lunch was announced. After having lunch, the
> participants got back to their seats. Pretty much everybody stayed
> back post lunch. Moksh continued with teaching how to edit Wikipedia.
> This time it wasn't it in groups though. "References" and "Notability"
> were the main topics that were covered in this session.
>
> Anshuman and Karthik then proceeded  with teaching photo uploads on
> Wikipedia. Quiz was conducted towards the end and Wikipedia-Tshirts
> were given as prizes for giving right answers. Karthik, then also
> showcased the winning images of Wiki Loves Momunents 2012 India. The
> long day came to an end with an overwhelming response and a call for
> organizing many such activities. The feedback received was positive.
> The participants enjoyed the workshop.
>
> We are thankful to everybody who made this event a great one. Thanks
> to all the volunteers. Special thanks to Moksh and Karthik who went
> out of the way to get everything arranged before hand at the venue, to
> Netha and Noopur for making it to the workshop and for working hand in
> hand with the Mumbai Community, to Srikanth Ramakrishnan who
> constantly stayed in touch for online help.
>
> Special thanks to whole Vidyalankar team. Vishwas Deshpande, Founder
> of Vidyalankar, who gave us an opportunity to to do the Mumbai's first
> Wiki Workshop for Women at Vidyalankar. Milind Tadvalkar (Director)
> and Seema Shah (Principal), Jayprakash Kurmi and Vivek and the
> complete IT Team at VIT, Mahesh from Canteen for an awesome Pav Bhaji
> for Lunch. Another thanks to Netra Parikh, for giving us enough place
> at her office, Pinstorm, for all out pre-meetings. Thanks to all.
>
>
> Regards,
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[Gendergap] The Atlantic article

[Sydney Poore]

Hi all,

The Atlantic article about Wikipedia nearing completion

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/10/surmounting-the-insurmountable-wikipedia-is-nearing-completion-in-a-sense/264111/


Interesting topic from many perspectives. Generating follow up discussions,
too.

http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/10/26/1335241/wikipedia-is-nearing-completion

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Re: [Gendergap] Maya Angelou

[Sydney Poore]

Christine, that's truly awesome. :-)

I've watched you working on the Maya Angelou topic for years now, and
thrilled to see that you've got her biography to FA. It will be fantastic
for her article to be on the main page on her birthday as a feature article!

Sydney
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On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Christine Meyer
wrote:

> I've been doing my part in addressing the gender gap in en.Wikipedia, and
> this week marks a major accomplishment for me in this area and for me as an
> editor.  [[Maya Angelou]] is now a featured article.
>
> I've been literally working on Angelou's article for years; my very first
> edit of it was early in my WP-editing career, in September 2007: [diff
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maya_Angelou&diff=prev&oldid=158867180].
>  It took this long mostly because I do have a life, most of the time.  When
> I came across it, I realized that Angelou's work and life was sorely
> underrepresented and not at all comprehensive, way before I came to
> understand the gender gap in this project.  I also realized that in order
> to do the subject justice, I needed to become a MA-expert, something
> I definitely was not at the time.  I realized that at the very least, I
> needed to read her six autobiographies, and while I was at it, write
> articles about them.  Only one article existed at the time: her first
> autobiography  [[I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings]], which was in
> a pitiable state.  A year's worth of research, a lot of assistance from
> some of the most premiere editors in the project, and 3 FACs later, it
> became an FA.
>
> In the ensuing years, I created and wrote articles about Angelou's five
> remaining autobiographies (one is a FA, the others are GAs), some ancillary
> articles about her other works, and a couple of lists.  ([[Works of Maya
> Angelou]] is currently up for FLC.)  After I completed the article about
> Angelou's final autobiography, I worked to get her bio up to snuff, and it
> had a relatively easy FAC, my first FA to pass in its first candidacy.  I
> think that was due to the fact that the article was truly prepared before
> it was submitted.  For anyone who wants to drive an article through the FAC
> process, that's my advice: make sure it's ready to be reviewed, and do not
> use FAC (or GAC, even) to review it.  There are other places for that, so
> use them before bringing it to FAC.
>
> My next goal is to create a Maya Angelou Featured Topic.  There are some
> things that need to be accomplished before that; my goal is to get there
> before Dr. Angelou's 85th birthday in April.  I'm certain, at the very
> least, that her bio will on the front page.  Ironically, this is the week I
> started researching the article about another elderly and important woman:
>  [[Joan Ganz Cooney]], co-creator of Sesame Street.
>
> Christine
> Username: Figureskatingfan
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Re: [Gendergap] Surplus women and World War I

[Sydney Poore]

Very pleased to see this come out of that Editathon. :-)

Sydney Poore
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On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Chris Keating
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Just wanted to let you know about some interesting contributions to the
> Wikimedia article gender balance from a slightly unexpected source.
>
> On Saturday, Wikimedia UK had a World War I-themed Editathon[1], where we
> essentially put a lot of Wikimedians and a group of academics in a room and
> asked them to help improve coverage of World War I.
>
> The gender balance was markedly better amongst the academics we'd invited
> (4 men, 3 women) than among the Wikimedians (20 men, no women at all) -
> which prompted quite a lot of debate about gender balance among Wikimedia
> volunteers (not very good) and also about the gender balance of Wikipedia's
> coverage of  the topic (also, not very good!). It might also be that we'd
> taken a lot of steps to promote the event amongst the English Wikipedia's
> large and active military history community (which probably has worse than
> average gender balance, at a guess).
>
> I'm pleased to say that one of the outcomes from the event is an article,
> currently in sandbox but well worthy of a DYK nom when in due course, on
> the topic of "Surplus women" - a demographic imbalance that existed (or was
> perceived) in Western Europe in the industrial era, accentuated by the mass
> slaughter of World War I, and hitherto completely absent from Wikipedia.
> You can have a look at it here :-)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ErrantX/Sandbox/Surplus_women
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Chris
> Wikimedia UK
>
>
> [1] http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_I/World_War_I_Editathon
>
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Re: [Gendergap] what follows from "most editors do not gender-identify"

[Sydney Poore]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Tom Morris  wrote:

> I'm glad that a lot of what the Foundation seem to be doing is trying
> to be evidence-based and are analysing the effectiveness of the
> various interventions (Teahouse, FeedbackDashboard, AFT5). One thing
> that probably ought to be done is to demand of the Foundation and of
> chapters that any studies they do into the effectiveness of outreach
> and intervention programmes include gender inclusiveness as a measure
> in stats-gathering where possible.
>

Hi Tom,

I was in San Francisco last week and had a chance to talk with a good cross
section of WMF staff, as well as other volunteers who gathered for a
meeting of the Fund Dissemination Committee Advisory Group.

I raise the issue of gender often during discussions with WMF people (staff
and volunteers) because I decided several years back that it is not
possible for WMF to fulfill it's mission unless a broader cross section of
the population becomes volunteers. Nothing has changed my mind about this,
so I continue to talk about it whenever I have an opening. :-)

Becoming a more diverse organization is on the minds of many people because
it is a written goal coming out the Strategic Planning process.

The new processes for Funding are going to be based on supporting
programming advancing the movement. Organizations will need to show this in
their applications.

The idea is to develop outcome measures that show best practices and
promote excellence in the use of funds for programs. Gender is most
definitely going to be an area of interest and I expect that organizations,
the community, and WMF staff will collaborate and determine the best
measures to capture regarding gender inclusiveness.

This process is going to be work!! We need people to get involved to help
to with the heavy lifting of developing and testing outcome measures.

This mailing list can be a source of ideas for developing gender related
measures, as well as advertising when and where other discussions are
happening.

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Re: [Gendergap] what follows from "most editors do not gender-identify"

[Sydney Poore]

Claudia,

I understand where you are coming from. But talking about the demographics
of WMF projects at the level of detail WMF is going now is somewhat newish.
Not talking about the disparity in the past did not fix the problem. So,
drawing attention to the issue seemed like a good idea. :-)

I tend to think that information is powerful in that it educates and
changes behavior.

If anyone has suggestions as to how to make the research and data analysis
better or just want a better understanding of how it is done, I encourage
you to talk to the people doing the research. I have done this in the past
and found them very approachable and more than willing to listen to ideas.

Sydney Poore
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:52 AM,  wrote:

> Sarah, thanks
>
> > I am focusing my energy on taking action versus research investment.
>
> fair enough,
> the "versus" reads a little strange to me in this context but never mind
> ;-)
>
> in my view of the matter, and my thanks to Laura for filling in with a few
> concrete examples, taking positive
> action in this context would mean, I guess, to stop talking about any
> numbers that we might have to
> consider to be harmful - precisely: harmful for swift and wonderful
> encouragement for *positive* action
>
> back to action, then
> including research ;-)
> Claudia
>
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:36:10 -0700, Sarah Stierch wrote
> > Well, I'll be honest:
> >
> > I don't really care about detailed research unless it shows our numbers
> > changing at this point :-) (better or worse)...
> >
> > I am focusing my energy on taking action versus research investment. So
> > perhaps I shouldn't even bother with this conversation. We all know we
> > have few women editing :-/
> >
> > Sar
> >
> > Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:07 AM, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you, Sarah
> > >
> > >> Data doesn't equal patriarchy
> > >
> > > agree, I was not stipulating this, I am pointing to the philosophy
> that feeds into the setup of such an
> inquiry
> > > in the first place
> > >
> > >> I trust the survey.
> > >
> > > up to you, Sarah
> > > which part of it do you trust? the outcome given the chosen setup?
> > > I have to reasons, either, for any doubt about the results
> > >
> > > my argument is to take a close look at the setup of any statistics
> exercise first and then ask, maybe,
> who
> > > benefits most from the results, and then we are well into
> partiarchally inspired politics, I guess,
> > > anyway, this is the point I am trying to make
> > >
> > > the task is, I think, to work on the following:
> > > which question would yield results that people on this list will feel
> motivated by to turn into sustainable
> > > positive action about a perceived gender gap among Wikipedia editors?
> > >
> > >> And having
> > >> numbers is honestly more powerful than saying "oh most editors are
> men."
> > >
> > > well, given Risker/Anne's statement
> > >>>> (most editors do not gender-identify ...
> > >
> > > no one knows, right?
> > > so my argument says that since most editors do not gender-identify, it
> would be wrong to say anything,
> > > really
> > >
> > > and hence any study of "gender gap" in Wikipedia (or any other project
> of its kind) had better rely on
> other
> > > data than these - which is why I think that in general such a
> discussion of basics might be useful for
> Laura's
> > > project, too - I'd say go for it, Laura :-)
> > >
> > >> If you'd like to talk to the organizers of the survey, I'm sure
> they'd be
> > >> happy to discuss it.
> > >
> > > thank you, yes, you were so kind as to give me the contact data last
> time I raised the issue here, for
> which
> > > thanks again
> > >
> > > I'd be more happy to discuss the matter more thorougly here first
> > > - or maybe anyone knows of another public forum which might be
> interested in this topic?
> > >
> > >> Keep in mind the survey is people stating their gender in the survey
> > >> itself, not their userspace/account.
> > >
> > > indeed, agree,
> > > and this is precisely why any implicit claims on the relevance of the
> results should not be writ large in
> our list
> > 

[Gendergap] Invitation to comment on Funds Dissemination Committee/Draft FDC Proposal for the Board

[Sydney Poore]

Hello Everyone :-)

I'm writing to extend an invitation to people interested in increasing
female participation in Wikimedia Foundation projects to join the
discussion about creating a Funds Dissemination Committee.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Draft_FDC_Proposal_for_the_Board

The purpose of the FDC will be to make recommendations to the Wikimedia
Foundation Board of Trustees for funding activities and initiatives in
support of the mission goals of the Wikimedia movement.

It would be great to have people from this mailing list chime in to
decrease the likelihood of adding systemic bias to the fund dissemination
process. Also, since one of the Strategic Planning goals is to encourage
diversity, a review of the plan from people on this list will be helpful to
make sure we are putting a process in place that is friendly towards a
variety of populations of people.

The Fund Dissemination Committee Advisory Group is meeting next week to
finalize our recommendations, so it would be good to hear comments right
away.

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Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit

[Sydney Poore]

I think it is relevant to our understanding of how the gender gap developed
on WMF wikis.

While I don't believe most early WMF users were misogynists, I think a
significant portion of them came from work environments where lack of women
was accepted as normal. So, noticing and addressing the problems from lack
of female editors was not a high priority. This incident at dell reminds us
of the historical issues that caused the gender disparity to become
entrenched on WMF projects.

It is one of the best explanations I found for the gender gap. Its not the
complete reason, but does explain some aspects of the situation. IIRC,
independent and me,  Sue came up with similar thinking that she  posted
somewhere during Strategic Planning process several years back.

Sydney Poore
On May 12, 2012 11:01 PM, "John Vandenberg"  wrote:

> Not sure what this has to do with Wikis, but its pretty sad all the
> same.  It was a month ago, and not nearly enough has been made about
> it.
>
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57431869-256/why-we-need-to-keep-talking-about-women-in-tech/
>
> it is getting fresh coverage on reddit too.  Not sure why its revived,
> but it cant hurt to draw extra attention to this.
>
>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/tk24s/dell_denmark_had_wellknown_danish_misogynist/
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Sarah Stierch 
> wrote:
> > Dell held their annual summit this week in Europe. They hired a moderator
> > for the opening day named Mads Christensen who is a media personality
> that
> > is described as "very conservative" and this also is regarding his views
> > towards women.
> >
> > Excerpts from a blog by a woman who attended:
> >
> > " So here I am at Dell’s huge and very professional summit with founder
> > Michael Dell, top people from Microsoft and Intel, impressive power
> points,
> > expensive commercials, matching polyester ties and all that jazz, and
> then
> > the – by Dell chosen – moderator starts to rejoice the lack of women in
> the
> > room. “The IT business is one of the last frontiers that manages to keep
> > women out. The quota of women to men in your business is sound and
> > healthy” he says. “What are you actually doing here?” he adds to the few
> > women who are actually present in the room. "
> >
> > " Dell’s moderator continues talking about his two Rolex watches and he
> then
> > presents the next speaker from Intel. After the break Mads Christensen
> > shares with us his whole “show” about the bitchy women who want’s to
> steal
> > the power in politics, boards and the home. “Science” he calls it and
> > mentions that all the great inventions come from men. “We can thank women
> > for the rolling pin” he adds.  And then the moderator of the day
> finishes of
> > by asking all (men) in the room to promise him that they will go home and
> > say “Shut up bitch!”."
> >
> >
> > http://elektronista.dk/kommentar/dresscode-blue-tie-and-male/
> >
> > I feel sick to my stomach.
> >
> > -Sarah
> >
> >
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> > Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow
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Re: [Gendergap] Please welcome Cindamuse as our new co-moderator

[Sydney Poore]

Cindy, I'm very glad to see you step into this new role.  :-)

Sydney Poore
On May 13, 2012 2:32 AM, "Risker"  wrote:

>
>
> On 12 May 2012 12:07, Sarah Stierch  wrote:
>
>>  Hi everyone,
>>
>> Please welcome Wikipedian User:Cindamuse as our new co-moderator on the
>> list. Cindy has been involved in Wikipedia for just over 5 years and is
>> most active on English Wikipedia. She is highly active in the Global
>> Education Program and has helped shape the program as a volunteer on
>> various committees. She's a professional writer and is highly active in
>> women's human rights programs in the North America, Southeast Asia, and
>> Western Europe. She's quite a force to be reckoned with when it comes to
>> the passion of women's rights, minding the gap and Wikipedia.
>>
>> Thanks Cindy for volunteering to join the moderator team for this list,
>> and please give Cindy a warm "thank you" and welcome!
>>
>> You can visit Cindy's userpage here:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cindamuse
>>
>> -Sarah
>>
>
>
> Indeed - welcome to your new role, and thanks for taking it on.
>
> Risker/Anne
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Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women

[Sydney Poore]

Lists and categories are essentially search tools. People are interested in
locating content about women in vocations and hobbied historical held by
men. Lists and categories aid in finding this content without looking at
each entry to determine the gender.

For occupations, such as nursing, where females dominant,  a list of male
nurses would be useful.

Since women historically held fewer notable position, more often these
gender specific lists will cover women.

Sydney
On Feb 8, 2012 11:45 AM, "emijrp"  wrote:

> It is a good work Sarah. But I don't understand why those lists where
> women are separated from men are needed. I think that the only reason is
> that there are persons who would need to read only about "female
> chessplayers", "female ...", etc. But in the same fashion, there are
> persons who need to read only about "male chessplayers".
>
> We can see as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_men is less
> populated than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_women Probably
> you would say that the "male" version of that lists are the "regular" one.
> But we can see that the female astronauts that are included here
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_astronauts are also here
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name (see ♀ symbol),
> but there is no a "List of male astronauts". If we are going to take this
> approach, we have to start lists for both gender, separated and joined.
>
> By the way, I'm interested in searching for missing female biographies
> comparing Wikipedia biographical corpora in an automated way and make some
> lists of red links. I will think about that.
>
> 2012/2/8 Sarah Stierch 
>
>>  Hi everyone,
>>
>> A few of us came together on the WikiWomen's History Month page to create
>> a "List of Lists of Women" on English Wikipedia. Plenty of red links
>> throughout the lists included, and yes everything is covered involving
>> women! Even women pirates...
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_women
>>
>> I know we'd love to see a similar collection in other languages, and use
>> them as tools for figuring out what other lists need to be created, but
>> also what articles need to be made.
>>
>> Also, please take a look at our English WikiWomen's History Page:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen's_History_Month
>>
>> We have more events that have been added, so please get involved, online
>> or offline!  There are also discussions on the talk page.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing some great things happen in March,
>>
>> Sarah
>>
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>> *Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow*
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Re: [Gendergap] Announcing Community Fellow Sarah Stierch

[Sydney Poore]

Congratulations, Sarah.  Looking forward to loads more forward progress on
the gender gap issue in 2012 with your enthusiasm for the topic.

Sydney

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On Dec 21, 2011 5:27 PM, "Jutta von Dincklage" 
wrote:

> Yes, yes, yes Congratulations, Sarah. This is such great news and
> makes my wiki heart jump up and down!
>
> We’ll have a very exciting year ahead of us!
>
> ** **
>
> Jutta
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Siko Bouterse
> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 December 2011 8:20 AM
> *To:* gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> *Subject:* [Gendergap] Announcing Community Fellow Sarah Stierch
>
> ** **
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> It is my pleasure to announce Sarah as our first Community Fellow for
> 2012, and our first fellowship specifically focused on the gender gap.
>
> I'm sure she'll be keeping this list updated on her work, but meanwhile
> you can read the full announcement on the Wikimedia blog:
>
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/20/announcing-community-fellow-sarah-stierch/
>
> Congratulations, Sarah, it's great to have you onboard!
> 
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Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches

[Sydney Poore]

The first hit is a gallery page.

>From Wikipedia articles we link to Commons and limit it to galleries images
if one exists. But with searches all the images show up.

Sydney

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

> **
> One easy way to fix all of these searches is to create Gallery pages for
> these terms. If a gallery page for "cucumber" existed, all searches for
> "cucumber" would go immediately to that gallery page rather than pulling up
> random images.
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>
>
> On 10/12/11 3:49 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
>
>  Thanks for the link, Brandon.
>
>  I had raised this in the image filter discussions on Foundation-l
> yesterday (as well as on
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier ), and it seems
> to have triggered some thought, which is all for the good.
>
>  Here are searches that deliver similar results in Wikipedia and Commons:
>
>  pearl necklace
>
>  cucumber
>
>  Zahnbürste (German for toothbrush)
>
>  toothbrush
>
>  electric toothbrushes
>
>  jumping ball
>
>  underwater
>
>  ... and likely many, many others.
>
>  Andreas
>
>   --
> *From:* Brandon Harris  
> *To:* gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 21:31
> *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches
>
>
> Funnily, I just answered that question on Quora:
>
>
> http://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-second-image-returned-on-Wikimedia-Commons-when-one-searches-for-electric-toothbrush-an-image-of-a-female-masturbating
>
>
> On 10/12/11 7:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> > Brandon,
> >
> > On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on the Foundation list,
> > but may be of interest to this list as well, do you know the answer to
> the
> > question posed here ...
> >
> > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html
> >
> > ... or do you know someone who does?
> >
> > Andreas
> >
> >
> 
> >*From:* Brandon Harris 
> >*To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> >
> >*Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13
> >*Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is here.
> >
> >(offlist)
> >
> >I think your efforts are perfect, and above and beyond. I don't need
> to
> >step in here.
> >
> >
> >
> >On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote:
> >  > Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just
> >a quick, basic whiz.
> >  > I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can
> >spare the time
> >  >
> >  > ... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design
> >  > ... and this award deserves it ;-)
> >  >
> >  >> Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but
> got
> >  >> stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the real
> >one is for
> >  >> sale at the princely sum of $299.00!).
> >  >
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Re: [Gendergap] washington dc

[Sydney Poore]

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Sydney Poore wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
>> I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body
>> to select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF
>> for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought
>> a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a
>> difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a
>> non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of
>> Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the
>> on-project concern waswell, doing exactly what seems to be proposed
>> here.
>
>

I agree that we need to be sensitive in
>> general about how we discuss these  type of issues on a public mailing list.
>> And in this case since one party to the case is an active participate to
>> this mailing list, we need to take extra caution that we are not only
>> hearing one side of the story.
>>
>
> That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We
> don't want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can
> have loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who
> is reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into
> consideration whether they support having someone who has been banned on one
> WMF project in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another
> wiki. ArbCom does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of
> trust such as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when
> they vote for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with
> someone raising a concern about it in this situation.
>
> Sydney Poore
> User:FloNight
>
>>
>> Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are
>> hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active,
>> respected members of other projects;  in fact, even on English Wikipedia,
>> appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually
>> considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction.
>>
>> (For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to
>> ban the user in question, and did support a ban.)
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra  wrote:
>>
>>> I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify.
>>>
>>> Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the
>>> community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned
>>> for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines?
>>>
>>> I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Risker  wrote:
>>>
>>> I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this
>>> mailing list. One of the key "harassment" issues was that the now-banned
>>> user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to
>>> beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an
>>> interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to
>>> affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English
>>> Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is
>>> an active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that
>>> it would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected
>>> here. Please proceed with caution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Risker/Anne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez < 
>>> sandratordo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago.
>>>>
>>>> lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can
>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey <
>>>> orangem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez <
>>>>> sandratordo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Essentially, that s

Re: [Gendergap] washington dc

[Sydney Poore]

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker  wrote:

> I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body to
> select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF
> for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought
> a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a
> difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a
> non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of
> Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the
> on-project concern waswell, doing exactly what seems to be proposed
> here.I agree that we need to be sensitive in general about how we discuss
> these type of issues on a public mailing list. And in this case since one
> party to the case is an active participate to this mailing list, we need to
> take extra caution that we are not only hearing one side of the story.
>

That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We don't
want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can have
loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who is
reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into consideration
whether they support having someone who has been banned on one WMF project
in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another wiki. ArbCom
does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of trust such
as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when they vote
for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with someone
raising a concern about it in this situation.

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight

>
> Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are
> hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active,
> respected members of other projects;  in fact, even on English Wikipedia,
> appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually
> considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction.
>
> (For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to
> ban the user in question, and did support a ban.)
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
>
>
> On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra  wrote:
>
>> I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify.
>>
>> Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the
>> community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned
>> for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines?
>>
>> I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view
>> correctly.
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Risker  wrote:
>>
>> I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this
>> mailing list. One of the key "harassment" issues was that the now-banned
>> user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to
>> beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an
>> interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to
>> affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English
>> Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned
>> in the first place.
>>
>> At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is
>> an active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that
>> it would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected
>> here. Please proceed with caution.
>>
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez < 
>> sandratordo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago.
>>>
>>> lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey <
>>> orangem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez <
>>>> sandratordo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C.
>>>> > chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things
>>>> like
>>>> > harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like
>>>> copyright
>>>> > violations.
>>>>
>>>> Banned in the past, and done their time; or currently banned? I've
>>>> worked with ex-cons in the past.
>>

Re: [Gendergap] Monitoring impact on female participation

[Sydney Poore]

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Chris Keating wrote:

> So how can we measure what impact we're having on getting women to
> participate?
>
> Over the next few months Wikimedia UK's very going to be adopting a rather
> more formal set of reporting procedures. I just wondered if people on this
> list had any thoughts about how we could build in some gender impact
> assessment into this reporting.
>
> It should be fairly easy for the Board to ask for statistics on how many of
> the people attending events are men and how many are women. Ideally we would
> also have statistics on how many people attending events *who then go on to
> edit/join/otherwise take part* available by gender. It should be even easier
> to monitor the diversity of our staff (currently we have 2, both are male)
> and Wikimedians in Residence (also currently 2, both male) and indeed the
> board (err 7 men) - hopefully these statistics will be a bit better in a
> year's time.
>
> Does anyone have any more thoughts on how we should approach this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
>
> PS. Also, you might be interested to know that we've identified a £10k
> budget for "broadening impact" - i.e. additional funding for projects which
> are aimed at women, Scotland, Wales, ethnic or linguistic minorities - I
> think this is a good thing but we do need to make sure the remaining £500k
> isn't spent only on white Englishmen ;-)
>
>
Chris,

Excellent that you are building measurable indicators into your plan. It is
very basic to planning to have good measurable indicators. When we were
doing the WMF Strategic Planning process, it was difficult to make good
decisions in some instances because of lack of data. That is being changed
at WMF now with many more surveys and other ways of capturing data. But we
still need to build it into other processes, too. So, I applaud you for
doing it. :-)

You have identified several good measures such as head counts of staff,
chapter members, and people attending events.

Money spent is also a  good measure.

Things such as offering shirts for sale in women's style and sizes could
show if more women are participating more if sales go up.

(Sidenote:I really appreciated the WikiMania planning team in Israel
offering shirts for women. While many younger females don't mind as much,
most older females don't care for T-shirts made for the male figure and
won't wear them out in public.)

Also dollars spent on projects targeted at females if outreach is being
done. Like co-sponsoring events with women's groups.

Also, finding a way to measure editing contributions from male v. female
coming from UK would be good. That is more difficult but perhaps doable if
you work with the WMF staff when they do their surveys.

Also, I've been told that it is hard to do a retrospective assessment of an
specific group of users edits. But if they are identified upfront it is
doable. So, maybe you could work with WMF staff and have users attending
outreach editing events to have their accounts identified for follow up of
their contributions.

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] vulgar jokes and sexualized environments on Wikipedia

[Sydney Poore]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

> Twice recently I have been reverted for removing vulgar jokes from
> article talk pages on the English Wikipedia - most recently for removing
> a joke who's punchline was "A woman's anus after she was sodomized!".
> Although I appreciate the use of humor on Wikipedia, and support the
> inclusion of potentially offensive material within appropriate contexts,
> I think these type of jokes are not appropriate on talk pages and create
> a sexualized environment that is often unwelcoming for women (as well as
> people from other cultures/religions/backgrounds). I think this issue is
> pertinent to the gender gap (unlike my other recent posts), and would
> like to hear other people's opinions. I've also started a discussion at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Civility#Vulgar_jokes for
> broader input.
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>

Thank you Ryan for removing the post from the pregnancy page, and starting
the discussion about not making vulgar jokes on site.

I left you my newly developed "Community health barnstar" for the way that
you make the community a more welcoming place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kaldari#A_Community_health_barnstar_for_you.21

Sydney Poore

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Re: [Gendergap] WikiSym best papers

[Sydney Poore]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:32 PM, phoebe ayers wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> You may know about WikiSym -- the international symposium on wikis and
> open collaboration -- which is an annual research conference about
> wikis. It is being held week after next in Mountain View, CA this
> year. There is always a good deal of Wikipedia research presented at
> WikiSym. This year I am very pleased that the best paper award (for
> both short and long papers) went to two papers about gender and
> Wikipedia:
>
> http://www.wikisym.org/2011/09/21/best-paper-winners-for-wikisym-2011/
>
> The conference proceedings & full papers are not yet available, but
> when they are I will be sure to send them along. it's so exciting to
> see great research in this area! congratulations to the authors.
>
> -- phoebe
>
Excellent news :-)

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Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you for pointing this out, Jutta, and your reply,Lennart.

I see this area of improvement as being critical to participation of
non-tech minded people.

Sydney Poore

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hello,
>
> Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished
> testing three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The
> report can be found here:
>
>
> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.pdf
>
> In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community
> to come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on
> the English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have
> participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change
> the process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on
> in my life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at
> the Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed
> the account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English
> Wikipedia can help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it
> myself anyway).
>
> When we change the process, that version of the account creation process
> will not be used.
>
> (Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart
>
>
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson,
> Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se
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>
> > From: jutta@cancer.org.au
> > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000
>
> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
> >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700
> > > From: Pete Forsyth 
> > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
> > > of women
> > > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
> > > 
> > > Message-ID:
> > >  > > 30=usaxwcxhyuqwufc...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Update, and a request:
> > >
> > > The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think
> about
> > > 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers.
> > >
> >
> > This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start
> editing Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to
> be obvious in the interface.
> >
> > I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing
> Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard
> and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for
> account creation :
> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal
> > In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics.
> 'Health', the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected
> 'biology' instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was
> presented to us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to
> create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my
> article?' I ended up showing her how she can do this and also ended up
> putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's
> got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her
> without my help...
> >
> > I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is
> "test" her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jutta
> >
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Re: [Gendergap] Black skins

[Sydney Poore]

Very interesting point.

Sydney

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Arnaud HERVE wrote:

> On 17/09/2011 22:40, Emily Monroe wrote:
> > I remember accessing Wikipedia several times throughout my teenaged
> > years; we cannot expect all of our readers to be an adult with a
> > better understanding of anatomy.
>
> Just a quick note here : I've been talking to a dermatologist and she
> tells me one of the main issues is black women taking all sorts of meds
> to lighten their skin.
>
> It is often detrimental to health, and also it leads to considerable
> money loss in impoverished families, and unnecessary sorrow.
>
> I just thought Wikipedia should be aware of that. Here (fr)
> dermatologist are recruiting black women in the medical sector to lead
> campaigns against that.
>
> I guess one of the ways would be to show dark black women pictures more
> often, not just light brown.
>
> Arnaud
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Re: [Gendergap] Kelly Wearstler

[Sydney Poore]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> An article was brought to my attention about an interior designer, Kelly
> Wearstler, who is also a fashion designer. The interesting twist - she was
> Playboy of the Month in September 1994.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Wearstler
>
> One user is arguing that she's more famous as a one time Playboy centerfold
> (which she did under a pseudonym to pay her student loans), and not so much
> as a designer. I argue that (hell, just compare the Google statistics - over
> 200,000 for "Kelly Wearstler" designer  and about 27,500 for "Kelly
> Wearstler" Playboy. I know who she is, and it isn't because she is a Playboy
> model (and I'm not an uninformed person, I've "read" my fair share of
> Playboys). Anyway, they want to have a special "centerfold" infobox (or
> something of that sort) that tell her breast size, etc. Another user is
> arguing it goes against [[WP:Undue]] not balancing the article correctly.  I
> agree. No point in having a fashion designer and interior designers one time
> Playboy bunny moment overweigh the fact that she's got best selling books,
> has been a judge on a reality show on Bravo called "Top Design" and she
> sells her designs at Bergdorf Goodman.
>
> Check out the talk page, it's short, but interesting.
>
> -Sarah
>

Biographies of women who were Playboy centerfolds is one example where the
community changed the way that they are routinely handled. This change took
place after numerous discussions in various places such as the notability
guideline page, Biography of living people noticeboard, talk pages of
article, and at Afd. These discussions would make a good case study of how
that systemic bias in the community can be overcome by using the existing
Wikipedia channels for discussion.

At one point in time the community was making an article for every Playboy
centerfold with an large infobox template that included their measurements
at the time of the centerfold layout.

After loads of discussion it was decided that every centerfold model should
not automatically have an article, and every women who was a centerfold and
has an article should not necessarily have an Playmate infobox.

Recently, several existing articles were discussed at the BLP noticeboard
and the content of the articles were blanked, and a redirect was made to the
article that discussed the issue of the magazine where they were featured.

See the discussion about Tanya Beyer for an example of why this is needed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive131#Tanya_Beyer


I've seen a discussion about Kelly Wearstler somewhere fairly recently but
can't remember where.  I see that Scott McDonald fixed the article. Scott
McDonald rewrites BLP articles to make them adhere to NPOV especially when
undue weight is an issue. So he is a good person to ask for help with
difficult case if he is active.

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Re: [Gendergap] Weird lame body fashion whatever website of the, day

[Sydney Poore]

I requested the name change for Boobies.jpg today, and was pleased to see
that Mattbuck did it quickly. :-)

Sydney

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:51 PM, The Richardsons wrote:

>  On 9/17/2011 3:00 PM,
>
> Sarah Stierch
>
> wrote:
>
> The choices are really mediocre for the "neckline" women's section.  One of
> the photos is titled "Boobies.jpg."
>
>
> I saw that “boobies.jpg” was changed to “Cleavage (breasts).jpg” about four
> hours ago by Mattbuck. +1 for Gendergap!
> That was the good news
> The bad news is that, from earlier posts about labiaplasty, it seemed that
> users wanted to remove the picture from the page, but that others put it
> back up. What I believe is that you had no right to take the picture off
> without consensus. Please excuse me if I missed something that would prove
> that there was consensus otherwise. Again, though, what troubles me is that
> SlimVirgin did get talked to rudely, being mockingly (in my opinion) called
> an “Administratrix” and being told to  “play by the rules you claim to
> enforce”. Also, you seem to be right in saying that the picture isn’t a
> “hypertrophy” (although I wouldn’t know) and I am pleased to see that a note
> was added early this morning UTC.
>
> But my main problem is how we get to reach a consensus on this, by,
> which we certainly can, by questioning its “licensed medical image” status,
> pointing out that it is two different people, and pointing out that the
> labia minora are not hypertrophies.
>
>  --- RDW2210
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Re: [Gendergap] wikisource

[Sydney Poore]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:44 PM, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> Ahhh, a topic worth talking about!  If we want more women in our
> community, I very strongly believe that wikisource is our greatest
> chance of bringing them in.  librarians and local studies in Australia
> are mostly women, and they are usually led by women as well, who can
> be good champions for our community.  It is a nice quiet environment,
> the editing tasks are 'simpler', which provides a nice training ground
> for newbies, and the ability to shine new light on old information
> gels well with information workers who prefer to blog about insights
> into old texts rather than fight to have their text added to
> Wikipedia.
>
> FloNight is active whenever she can find time.
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:FloNight
> (i.e. I am confident you can twist Sydney's arm to help you on Wikisource)
>

I love Wikisource. It might be my favorite wikiproject.  I met John there
way back in 2007 when I was adding poems by Paul Laurence Dunbar, and adding
children stories. :-)

I need to see what I can related to my most recent women's articles on WP.


> One of the two 'crats on English Wikisource is a women.  She is very
> active in moderating the tone of the community.
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:BirgitteSB
>

BirgitteSB, is a great resource. She is knowledgeable about Wikisource and
WMF policy in general.

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Re: [Gendergap] Wikiquotes

[Sydney Poore]

There is a portal feminism on Wikisource but it is very under developed.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Feminism


See Josephine K. Henry added to the portal by me in March 2010.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_K._Henry

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Josephine_K._Henry

The portal is not been edited very much since then.

I wrote about Nannie Helen Burroughs on WP and WQ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nannie_Helen_Burroughs

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nannie_Helen_Burroughs

One way to do it is to write an Wikipedia article, upload images to Commons,
add their published works to Wikisource, and an entry on Wikiquote with good
quotes. It is a very efficient way to do it.

I've done it in the past for a few people. It is a great way to meet new
people on the other projects.

Sydney


On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> Yes! I have never edited or contributed anything to wikiquote. I have
> contributed to Wikisource, and I'm starting to think I'm the only woman who
> ever has, even though it was two documents. I don't even think there is much
> of anything related to women's history on Wikisource...
>
> We were discussing in #wikimedia-gendergap a few days ago about the need
> for more featured images of women and related subjects on Commons. I kept
> rolling my eyes everytime I saw the ATV that was a featured image the other
> day.
>
> I'm actually developing a wikipage that will showcase a collection of
> topics that need expansion, watching, clean up, etc, and/or photos for
> English Wikipedia, which I naturally assume will be the same for other
> languages. Once it's a little fleshed out we can see if it's useful in any
> way. I think it's interesting just to see what we're lacking on...on top of
> the 1009232 other things I'm doing...
>
> -Sarah
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM,  wrote:
>
>>  Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was
>> reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as
>> seriously.
>>
>> Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from
>> English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia.
>>
>> Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version
>> either.  Despite
>> http://www.google.com/search?ned=us&hl=en&q=Marcella+Boccia&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1notability
>>  in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion.
>>
>> So let's not forget Wikiquote!!
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser, hairstylist...barber?

[Sydney Poore]

Yes, as you have pointed out in other threads the whole area of women's
beauty is a mess.

Disorganized and under represented

Slight mention of hair stylists here, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_cut

. Sydney

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser
>
> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses male
> barbers and men's haircutting culture.
>
> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd...
>
> Really needs some gender neutrality... Cosmetology is the closest thing to
> any article that discusses "hairdressers" "hair stylists" and it's basically
> a paragraph.
>
> Just surprises me..no "hairstylists" content on Wikipedia. If I am missing
> something, or passing over it, please correct me! Another example on the
> struggles we have here...  (for example, the hair stylist Frederic Fekkai
> links to barberand he's an icon of women's hair styling and is
> considered a "hairdresser" or stylist)
>
> -Sarah
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Re: [Gendergap] Consent for photographs on Commons

[Sydney Poore]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:

> On 9/13/11 8:03 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
> > I think this is really great, thank you Kaldari for taking the time to
> > create this.
> >
> > The n00b in me asks :
> >
> >  1) Is this trackable? That is, a hidden category or anything?
>
> There aren't any categories currently, but I could add some. Right now,
> you can view all the images it is used on at
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Consent
>
> > 2) I think we should solidify the policy documentation (i.e. the
> > recent board passing, etc), and complete that work before we promote
> > this template.
>
> Right now there is no actual policy as far as I know, just a guideline
> and a resolution. Getting something encoded as policy might be a good
> goal to work towards.
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>

It make no real difference what it is called, guideline or policy, as long
as everyone one is singing from the same page in the hymnal. The deletion
discussion over the past week, (and there have been many of them using lack
of model consent as reason) have  gone well. Friendly, with no conduct
issues that I can see. No extreme hyperbole. Largely people are discussing
the images by citing policy, and admins are closing them with consensus.

I know that there has been division about this in the past, but if people
use the consent template as you have written it, I think that everything
will be fine.
Sydney

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Re: [Gendergap] Other "women's" wiki's

[Sydney Poore]

I'm creating account on these two wikis to better understand ways that these
wikis function since they have more women, and were created more recently
than WMF projects.

Sydney Poore
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> These are two others that I have stumbled across. I think it's really
> interesting to look at these wiki's and see what makes them good/bad,
> attractive/not, etc. I think there can always be something to learned..I've
> looked at these extensively, and even made accounts on them to explore the
> process. I encourage others to experience and perhaps share what you think
> makes these different, good/bad, etc, compared to Wikipedia.
>
> Global Women's Network has videos on how to do things a simple as create a
> user account...which I think is nice.
>
> http://www.global-womens-network.org/
>
> http://wikigender.org/index.php/New_Home
>
> -Sarah
>
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Re: [Gendergap] An example of clothed model in medical document

[Sydney Poore]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Arnaud HERVE wrote:

> The last few days we talked about appropriate nudity in medical images.
> I have an example of appropriate clothing now.
>
> I think applying such rules as decency, respect, etc. are not totally
> sufficient.
>
> I think that the main principle should to avoid erotic content in order
> to focus on the cognitive effort to understand the physiology. And in
> such a context an erotic content would not only be offensive, it would
> be a pollution for the cognitive intention.
>
> I just worked on this document ( ~ 7 Mo download) :
>
> http://arnaudherve.free.fr/Sugery_table_with_female_patient.pdf
>
> It comes from a vendor of surgery tables. The document was originally in
> German and has been translated to French. Anyway you don't have to
> understand the language, because the medical words are almost the same,
> and the images are obvious anyway.
>
> What I wanted to show is that the patient is clothed, although in a real
> life surgery situation, she would be naked.
>
> The answer for that is not really in respect for the person, although it
> is present here. The main intention is semantic. It mean the sellers
> work seriously at making tables, they talk to buyers who work seriously
> using those tables, and the focus is on the tables and not the patient.
>
> By the way you will notice here and there the arm of a nurse, without
> her face. The arm is naked and the shoulder clothed, which doesn't mean
> the nurse is decent, it means she is working. So her face would not only
> be a violation of anonymity, it would be a pollution to showing her arm
> manipulating the tools.
>
> I think that is the spirit. For images of organs of course it will be
> more difficult, but still the focus must be on understanding the
> anatomy, or physiology, or pathology. Or in other words, discourage
> those who want to drool over female bodies, BUT encourage those who want
> to acquire knowledge.
>
> I think the principle applies to women in sports too. Have a look at this :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadia_Com%C4%83neci
>
> Here you can see, or at least I can see immediately, that the focus in
> on the sports feat and not on decency or desirability.
>
> Don't know if that makes sense to you. So to sum it up it would not be
> sufficient to merely REMOVE the erotic content, it is necessary to
> IMPOSE the cognitive content. Then if you want to positively impose the
> cognitive content, the negative removal of erotic content comes very
> naturally.
>
> Arnaud
>

Arnaud, I agree with the point that you are making.

It is the same as when we expect article content to have a encyclopedic
tone. We often need to rewrite text to make it less like an investigative
report, a salacious tabloid story, or a company press release.

Images need to be used in a way that that best illustrates the overall
content of the topic being discussed.

This can be a matter of presenting a neutral point of view, or maybe just
good recognition of the way that that an image can be introduced into the
article to supplement the text.

It is true when introducing all images into an article. But it seems
particularly necessary to think of it when writing articles that feature
images of women because of the way that women are sexualized in many of the
images uploaded to Commons. Forcing them into articles that are not erotic
adds a weird connotation to the article.

(The first example image would not load for me but your excellent
description helped me understand the point you were making.)

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[Gendergap] Sexual Harassment in Online Communications: Effects of Gender and Discourse Medium

[Sydney Poore]

Interesting article that supports the idea that women and men perceive
content differently.

The research found that "in terms of gender differences, women rated online
pictures and jokes as significantly more harassing than men."

http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/109493102753685863

We shouldn't generalize this to all people of a gender, but it is worth
remembering that at least some women are more uncomfortable with some types
of humor and images.

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] Consent for photographs on Commons

[Sydney Poore]

I like the template and added it to a few of my uploads to see how it works.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Simon_Planting_%28bassist%29_of_the_John_Jorgenson_Quintet-1.JPG

I like the change in wording Sarah suggests.

Sydney

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Sarah  wrote:

> That looks good, Ryan. Would it make sense to add something about the
> release of the image? For example,
>
> "I personally created this media. All identifiable persons shown
> specifically consented to this photograph or video being taken and
> released under a free licence."
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:43, Ryan Kaldari 
> wrote:
> > I have created the new consent template:
> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Consent
> >
> > Here is an example of it in use:
> >
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Splitting_logs_with_a_gas_powered_log_splitter.JPG
> >
> > I also added a new section to the
> > Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_persons guidelines encouraging people
> to
> > use the new template.
> >
> > The wording of the template and guidelines don't mention anything about
> > nudity or sexualization. This is on purpose. Hopefully, this will be a
> good
> > first step to increasing the value and visibility of consent on Commons
> (in
> > a way that builds consensus rather than warring factions).
> >
> > Ryan Kaldari
> >
> > On 9/12/11 5:49 PM, Toby Hudson wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ryan,
> >
> > A draft template was actually made to augment the mostly recently voted
> > [[COM:SEX]] proposal:
> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Consent
> >
> > The proposal closed with no consensus*, but with a few modifications, the
> > template could still be put to good use.
> >
> > Toby / 99of9
> >
> >
> > *Mainly because it included a clause allowing admins to delete out of
> scope
> > sexual content directly in a speedy deletion rather than setting up a
> > deletion request.  There actually wasn't too much opposition to requiring
> a
> > statement of consent for identifiable sexual images, although there was
> > some.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm both a long-time admin on Commons and an OTRS volunteer. I've been
> >> wanting to chime in on this thread, but haven't really had the time. I'm
> >> worried though that I'm about to see history repeat itself, so I want to
> >> quickly share a few thoughts...
> >>
> >> First, the issue of consent on Commons has been passionately debates for
> >> years, and has a long and tortured history. Before proposing anything,
> >> please make yourself familiar with the previous discussions and their
> >> outcomes. Most notably the discussions surrounding these pages:
> >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sexual_content
> >>
> >>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archives/User_problems_7#Privatemusings
> >>
> >>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people
> >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Nudity
> >>
> >> The point I can't emphasize enough is that if you put forward any
> >> proposal on Commons that implies there is anything possibly problematic
> >> about sexual or nude images in any way, you will be completely shut
> >> down. The only way you have any chance to shape the policies and
> >> guidelines on Commons is if you approach the problem from a
> >> sex/nudity-agnostic point of view. Here's a good example of what NOT to
> >> do:
> >>
> >> I think a general statement that permission of the subject is desirable
> >> / necessary for photos featuring nudity would be a good thing -
> >> thoughts? Privatemusings (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
> >> I think the horse is beyond dead by now. --Carnildo (talk) 22:46, 8
> >> January 2009 (UTC)
> >>
> >> If the horse was beyond dead in January 2009, imagine where it is now.
> >> That said, there is still lots of room for improvement. In particular...
> >>
> >> Commons already requires consent for photos of identifiable people in
> >> private spaces. In addition, many countries require consent even for
> >> public spaces. (Take a look at
> >>
> >>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_persons#Country_specific_consent_requirements
> .)
> >> The way this requirement works, however, is completely passive and
> >> reactive - there is no impetus to proactively assert consent, only to
> >> assert it when an image is challenged. This is a very inefficient
> >> system. There are no templates or categories or anything to deal with
> >> consent on Commons (apart from Template:Consent which is tied up with
> >> the tortured history of Commons:Sexual_content and can't be used
> >> currently).
> >>
> >> I don't think it would be incredibly controversial to introduce a very
> >> simple consent template that was specifically tailored to the existing
> >> policies and laws. This would make things easier for Commons reusers,
> >> professional photograp

Re: [Gendergap] CBC Radio on Wikipedia's Gender Gap

[Sydney Poore]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sue Gardner  wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/spark/2011/09/sue-gardner-on-wikipedias-gender-gap/
>
> This is me being interviewed by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
> about our gender gap. It's raw (uncut) tape so it's long -- I am
> guessing about 20 minutes. But you will probably find it interesting,
> due to the topic and also the fact that --although I don't name
> anybody-- I talk at some length about this list :-)
>
> (You might disagree with how I characterize what's happening here --
> i.e., I think I say at one point that the list has been sometimes
> 'hilarious,' and I realize I may be alone in thinking that. It's fine
> if you disagree, but I hope nobody finds what I said offensive -- it's
> meant affectionately, and with respect.)
>
> Thanks,
> Sue
>

Great interview. :-)  Good to hear that the media is still interested in
reading the research on the topic, and discussing it.

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Re: [Gendergap] Resolution:Images of identifiable people

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On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:47 PM, phoebe ayers  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Sydney Poore 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Sarah Stierch 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I have no clue how I missed this (and perhaps it's been posted before?)
> >>
> >>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Images_of_identifiable_people
> >>
> >> Perhaps we can lend a hand to assist in this?
> >>
> >> -Sarah
> >
> > Yes, the WMF Board passed this resolution in May, and it helped focus the
> > discussion away from the idea that people want to delete controversial
> > content only because of they are prudes. Model consent for anyone who is
> > identifiable and has a reason to expect privacy is a minimum standard
> that
> > needs to be enforced on all wikis now. For all the reasons that we've
> > discussed recently on this mailing list, images of women who are being
> > sexualized benefit greatly from good enforcement of this policy.
> >
> > IMO, the Commons policy needs to be tweaked to to ensure that the person
> > giving consent for the image to be taken understands that it will be
> > uploaded with a free license, and what that means.
> >
> > Most of the the medical groups policies about medical images of people
> > assumes that the person in the image has less knowledge about where the
> > image might be used, and says that information needs to be provided to
> the
> > person so that they understand how widely that it might be disseminated.
> >
> > Right now we don't have a procedures in place that help us gather
> informed
> > consent from models. This is an area that needs more work.
> >
> > Also, we need to tweak the policy so that people who appear in a
> semi-public
> > places are protected. Many times people will go into a semi-public place
> > with  the expectation that only the people in that location will see
> them.
> > IMO, sunbathing on a beach outside your rented beach house does not mean
> > that you intended your image to be taken and uploaded for anyone in the
> > world to see and be re-used in publications without your consent. The
> same
> > is true for many people going about their normal routine. I don't think
> that
> > someone walking from their car (or bus) into work intended to give
> consent
> > for their photograph to be taken, uploaded with a free license, and their
> > body parts and fashion apparel be categorized, especially in a sexualized
> > way.
> >
> > Since the people in many images do not have contact information provided,
> > someone re-using the image can not contact them to get permission. This
> > problem makes many of our images on Commons useless for people that want
> to
> > use best practices.
> >
> > Sydney Poore
> > User:FloNight
>
> Sydney -- all good ideas, for sure! The resolution was intended as a
> (re)focusing device, as you note; and there is still lots of work to
> be done. One of the areas is making sure that all wikis have a similar
> policy. Would it help to put together a page on meta to coordinate
> this?
>
> cheers,
>
Phoebe, yes, we need to go to meta and make a comprehensive list.  And we
need to figure out a way to make sure that all wikis have policy and
procedures in place based on the Foundation resolution.

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] Photos of girl-friends

[Sydney Poore]

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Arnaud HERVE wrote:

> On 12/09/2011 13:45, Sydney Poore wrote:
> > No, not really. The assumption is toward the uploader having the
> > appropriate permission if it appears to be an amateur image and it has
> > not obvious signs of being a copyright violation. People have been in
> > disagreement about whether images that are "controversial content"
> > should be be held to a higher level of scrutiny. Some people say that
> > we are be biased if we require a higher level of scrutiny for images
> > of naked people. I disagree, but think that we really need to have a
> > higher level of scrutiny for all images with identifiable people.  By
> > requiring model consent, we would solve a large part of the problems
> > with the images on Commons.
>
>
> Let us not forget that for many males the decision to post an image of
> their nude girl-friend online is a deliberate insult. Precisely, that is
> their revenge after they have been dumped by said girl-friend.
>
> In such a context, any domestic nude photo should be deemed suspicious.
> Unless there is the explicit consent of the girl, but I assume I am not
> very far from truth in assuming all those photos are posted by males.
>
> Less frequently, such a tolerance might also encourage the publication
> of incest. More concretely, in this "Korean" case today, a small but not
> neglectable probability exists that it is the author's daughter. It can
> happen.
>

I agree that this is a potential problem. We know that people upload images
of people to disparage, embarrass or harass them. People in some societies
usually do not go nude in public, or publicly publish images of themselves
performing sex acts. In fact most people don't anywhere in the world
although it does happen in some places more than others.

Right now, I think  that we should assume that most people value their
privacy, and unless they have actively given consent for a nude image we
should delete it to protect their right to privacy, and the right to control
the way that their photograph is used.

Sydney

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Re: [Gendergap] Resolution:Images of identifiable people

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On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> I have no clue how I missed this (and perhaps it's been posted before?)
>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Images_of_identifiable_people
>
> Perhaps we can lend a hand to assist in this?
>
> -Sarah
>

Yes, the WMF Board passed this resolution in May, and it helped focus the
discussion away from the idea that people want to delete controversial
content only because of they are prudes. Model consent for anyone who is
identifiable and has a reason to expect privacy is a minimum standard that
needs to be enforced on all wikis now. For all the reasons that we've
discussed recently on this mailing list, images of women who are being
sexualized benefit greatly from good enforcement of this policy.

IMO, the Commons policy needs to be tweaked to to ensure that the person
giving consent for the image to be taken understands that it will be
uploaded with a free license, and what that means.

Most of the the medical groups policies about medical images of people
assumes that the person in the image has less knowledge about where the
image might be used, and says that information needs to be provided to the
person so that they understand how widely that it might be disseminated.

Right now we don't have a procedures in place that help us gather informed
consent from models. This is an area that needs more work.

Also, we need to tweak the policy so that people who appear in a semi-public
places are protected. Many times people will go into a semi-public place
with  the expectation that only the people in that location will see them.
IMO, sunbathing on a beach outside your rented beach house does not mean
that you intended your image to be taken and uploaded for anyone in the
world to see and be re-used in publications without your consent. The same
is true for many people going about their normal routine. I don't think that
someone walking from their car (or bus) into work intended to give consent
for their photograph to be taken, uploaded with a free license, and their
body parts and fashion apparel be categorized, especially in a sexualized
way.

Since the people in many images do not have contact information provided,
someone re-using the image can not contact them to get permission. This
problem makes many of our images on Commons useless for people that want to
use best practices.

Sydney Poore
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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

[Sydney Poore]

WMF projects should be a leader in assuring that people's human rights are
enforced. Right now WMF policies do not reflect best practices. But the WMF
Board and staff are moving in the right direction.

The problem is that the a large part of the community holds the idea of free
speak as a higher value than protecting the rights of people who might be
harmed.

The solution is more discussion where people can be educated about all the
ramifications of hosting controversial content. And also bringing more
people into the community who hold a more moderate view about the importance
of free speech, and who will be better able to make more balanced decisions
when we must weigh all the differing ideals and ethical considerations.

There are some essays around, I think. Read one recently about hosting
images of people. Another one would be good on the topic of voyeurism.

Sydney


On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Sarah  wrote:

> I wonder whether it would be worth developing a guideline, or just
> writing an essay about it on Commons. Trouble is, I know so little
> about how the Commons works -- I don't even know how to find their
> list of policies.
>
> My thinking is that voyeurism is increasingly becoming a criminal
> offence, and an essay about it might help to identify the kinds of
> images we should be wary of uploading. For example, in the UK, a
> person commits a criminal offence if:
>
> "(a) he records another person (B) doing a private act,
>
> "(b) he does so with the intention that he or a third person will, for
> the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, look at an image of B
> doing the act, and
>
> "(c) he knows that B does not consent to his recording the act with
> that intention."
>
> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/67
>
> The problem with all of this on Wikimedia is the anonymity factor.
> People could say "I am the model and I hereby give consent." I don't
> know how we get round that.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:45, Sydney Poore 
> wrote:
> > No, not really. The assumption is toward the uploader having the
> appropriate
> > permission if it appears to be an amateur image and it has not obvious
> signs
> > of being a copyright violation. People have been in disagreement about
> > whether images that are "controversial content" should be be held to a
> > higher level of scrutiny. Some people say that we are be biased if we
> > require a higher level of scrutiny for images of naked people. I
> disagree,
> > but think that we really need to have a higher level of scrutiny for all
> > images with identifiable people.  By requiring model consent, we would
> solve
> > a large part of the problems with the images on Commons.
> >
> > Sydney Poore
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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

[Sydney Poore]

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Arnaud HERVE wrote:

>  On 12/09/2011 12:18, Sydney Poore wrote:
>
> If you look at the full body of his work, this admin  truly is trying to
> follow policy and the customs of Commons and WMF projects in general.
>
>
> Well I might have been too quick in judging him, and besides idiocy or
> perversion the reason of his behaviour might have been a complete lack of
> attention. To the point that he didn't even have a look at the photo,
> because if he did and still protected the photo, then I am back at the
> idiocy or perversity hypothesis.
>
> Because, quite frankly, voluntary or not, exceptional or not, what he has
> done here is an insult to plain common sense, and a clear direct
> deterioration of WP content.
>
> From the scientific point of view it is below the required level to even
> begin a discussion.
>
> Imagine the page for Finger, should we even take time to discuss the
> propriety of a photo showing the forearm without the fingers ? What would we
> think of an admin who would protect a photo of the forearm without the
> fingers on the Finger page, after having been duly pointed to the obvious
> mistake by a user ? Don't you think the user with a normal self-respect
> would be right to no bother to come any longer on Wikipedia ?
>
> If you add the Asian-erotic content to that, you realize that the photo was
> totally inappropriate on so many levels that the problem doesn't lie in the
> photo anymore but on the admin.
>
>
>  IMO, the policies need to be tweaked so that admins like him will have
> better policy to work with. And we need a broader group of people commenting
> in all deletion discussions so that we get a more globally representative
> view of what is appropriate for Commons to have on site.
>
>
> Yes but as Sarah Stierch wrote today :
>
>
> One thing Wikimedia as a whole *suffers* from is no "solidity" when it
> comes to policy and rules. Everything seems that it can be adapted, broken,
> changed, manipulated..etc. I think that's a problem.
>
>
> Adding rules or adding policies or adding commentators doesn't work if the
> admins don't show the adequate level of literacy, or use their position to
> manipulate the rules at their convenience.
>
> In his Discussion lock comment Yann says "Person is not recognizable". That
> is typical of illiteracy and bad faith. You add a right detail to justify an
> otherwise totally wrong and very obviously wrong decision. That is totally
> twisting the rules.
>
> As a result we now have a scientifically totally irrelevant and plainly
> domestic-erotic photo on WP, which is explicitly protected by WP. The
> mistake is so obvious that no further rules will work if admins don't show a
> normal intention to respect the rules.
>
> Re-read the discussion page. Is it normal that Sarah Stierch (Missvain) had
> to take time to write the obvious in detail, and that she was not followed
> eventually ? This is not fair, no grown-up literate person should be treated
> like that. Even if it is involuntary, Yann's decision is so wrong and so
> rude it should seriously put in doubt his position as an admin.
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg#File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg_3
>

He reconsidered and deleted the image. Approaching an admin to reconsider is
always okay.  They close dozens of deletion discussions and will sometimes
get something wrong.

This is a good outcome.

Sydney Poore



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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

[Sydney Poore]

No, not really. The assumption is toward the uploader having the appropriate
permission if it appears to be an amateur image and it has not obvious signs
of being a copyright violation. People have been in disagreement about
whether images that are "controversial content" should be be held to a
higher level of scrutiny. Some people say that we are be biased if we
require a higher level of scrutiny for images of naked people. I disagree,
but think that we really need to have a higher level of scrutiny for all
images with identifiable people.  By requiring model consent, we would solve
a large part of the problems with the images on Commons.

Sydney Poore

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Sarah  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:17, Arnaud HERVE 
> wrote:
> > IMO, the policies need to be tweaked so that admins like him will have
> > better policy to work with.
>
> Do we have specific Commons policies on voyeurism and invasion of privacy?
>
> Sarah
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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

[Sydney Poore]

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Arnaud HERVE wrote:

>  On 12/09/2011 02:43, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
>
> One thing Wikimedia as a whole *suffers* from is no "solidity" when it
> comes to policy and rules. Everything seems that it can be adapted, broken,
> changed, manipulated..etc. I think that's a problem.
>
>
> Absolutely. I think in this case the real troublemaker is the admin, and
> the original poster is almost an innocent boy trying to post something he
> deems erotic or daring. By the admin's behaviour we see that the original
> poster is almost encouraged to behave like a bad little boy.
>
> It is obvious that a photo of the vulva should show the vulva. If the admin
> doesn't understand that then he is hopeless and must go back to highschool
> for several years. He is certainly not scientifically literate enough to
> hold a position on Wikipedia.
>

I agree that this image had many problems and keeping it does not really
make sense. That is the reason that I asked the admin to review his
decision.

>
> You don't have to discuss with an admin who doesn't understand that a photo
> of an organ must show the organ.
>
> You don't have to discuss with an admin who doesn't understand that photos
> of anatomy should be as devoid of erotic content as possible.
>
> Democracy should not go that far as to negociate with total incompetence.
>
> Either this admin is really stupid, and should never have made it to his
> position in WP, or he is being perverse with the vulva page.
>
> If find it very difficult to believe that a person literate enough to make
> it to the position of admin on WP would be illiterate enough to not
> understand that a photo named vulva in the vulva page should show a vulva,
> and should avoid evocation of private life promiscuity.
>

I know this administrators work on several projects, and I don't think that
is an accurate description of his work in general. He regularly closes
deletion discussions, and will close them for deletion about sexual content
as he did in some of the other ones put up for deletion recently.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:April_after_!st_act.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Hairpenis.jpg

The reason that I see the issue with controversial content as a problem of
systemic biasis  that is that it has taken hold of WMF projects in general.
If you look at the full body of his work, this admin  truly is trying to
follow policy and the customs of Commons and WMF projects in general. IMO,
the policies need to be tweaked so that admins like him will have better
policy to work with. And we need a broader group of people commenting in all
deletion discussions so that we get a more globally representative view of
what is appropriate for Commons to have on site.

Sydney

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Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

[Sydney Poore]

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Sue Gardner  wrote:

> It seems to me that if we had access to the kinds of best practices or
> guiding principles used in the medical profession, that might give us
> some guidance for how to select images that are optimally neutral for
> educational purposes. Because as your note implies, that expertise
> does already exist.
>
> Thanks,
> Sue
>

Sue,

Not exactly what you were asking about but related.

These are some policy statements about consent from patients for the use of
their image in a medical publication.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1112855/

http://www.acmg.net/resources/policies/pol-020.pdf

Commons now does not require consent for images of people that are not
identifiable. This does not meet the newer standards adopted by medical
groups. This is particulary concerning since our license encourages reuse.
We are lowering the standard for obtaining medical images and encouraging
other people to do so too.

Sydney Poore
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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

[Sydney Poore]

See the standard for medical images from the American Medical College of
Genetics

http://www.acmg.net/resources/policies/pol-020.pdf

I worked with people with high risk pregnancy and sometimes we took pictures
of the baby if it had a genetic disorder. But we always got consent first.

Sydney

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Sydney Poore wrote:

> I left Yann a message on his talk page asking him to reconsider.
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yann#Korean_Vulva
>
> I sincerely hope that she did give consent and knows that it is on Commons.
> Otherwise we are exploiting her.
>
> I disagree that the person is not recognizable. It would be very unethical
> to upload this image without this person's consent. True exploitation of the
> person.
>
> I feel very strong about this point because of the my knowledge of past
> exploitation of people in medical images in textbooks and medical journals,
> some of them nude. It was absolutely wrong when it was done in the name of
> education and it is wrong for us to do it now.
>
> Sydney Poore
> User:FloNight
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
>
>> This is a NSFW photo
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg
>>
>> Five for deletion, two for keep. This is its third nomination.
>>
>> An admin came in today and declared it being kept because "No valid reason
>> for deletion, per previous decisions. Person is not recognizable." It has
>> been nominated twice, by anon IP's who have simply declared "porn" or
>> "obscene" as the deletion reason (not enough of a reason).
>>
>> I nominated it, like I do many things, because it was unused on any
>> project since its upload in March of 2009, it's uneducational, and the poor
>> description proves that. I also think it's poor quality - if we need an
>> "educational photo of a vulva" we have two really fab ones on the [[vulva]]
>> article. Which of course was argued (a nude photo of a headless woman blow
>> drying her hair in heels with the blow dryer cord and shadow in the shot..
>> come...on...), and as FloNight noted, we can probably have some high quality
>> photos of a nude woman using a blow dryer that aren't taken in the bedroom
>> for the project..if it's that in demand.
>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg>
>>
>> I shouldn't even act surprised...I guess.. :-/
>>
>> Were the reasons we provided not valid enough? Can you even challenge
>> something like this? Did I miss something? Am I doing this wrong? Regardless
>> of the subject, I don't understand why the admin would declare the peoples
>> reasons in valid based on my knowledge of the Commons policies...: "Commons
>> is not a porn site", "private location, lack of model release" etc...
>>
>> (And yes, I was a little snappy on my nomination (this was my original
>> rager when I nominated a bunch of stuff from the "high heels"
>> category..)...so no need to reprimand meI've curbed my 'tude!)
>>
>> Any help would be great,
>>
>> Sarah
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] So this is how Commons works?

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I left Yann a message on his talk page asking him to reconsider.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yann#Korean_Vulva

I sincerely hope that she did give consent and knows that it is on Commons.
Otherwise we are exploiting her.

I disagree that the person is not recognizable. It would be very unethical
to upload this image without this person's consent. True exploitation of the
person.

I feel very strong about this point because of the my knowledge of past
exploitation of people in medical images in textbooks and medical journals,
some of them nude. It was absolutely wrong when it was done in the name of
education and it is wrong for us to do it now.

Sydney Poore
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On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> This is a NSFW photo
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg
>
> Five for deletion, two for keep. This is its third nomination.
>
> An admin came in today and declared it being kept because "No valid reason
> for deletion, per previous decisions. Person is not recognizable." It has
> been nominated twice, by anon IP's who have simply declared "porn" or
> "obscene" as the deletion reason (not enough of a reason).
>
> I nominated it, like I do many things, because it was unused on any project
> since its upload in March of 2009, it's uneducational, and the poor
> description proves that. I also think it's poor quality - if we need an
> "educational photo of a vulva" we have two really fab ones on the [[vulva]]
> article. Which of course was argued (a nude photo of a headless woman blow
> drying her hair in heels with the blow dryer cord and shadow in the shot..
> come...on...), and as FloNight noted, we can probably have some high quality
> photos of a nude woman using a blow dryer that aren't taken in the bedroom
> for the project..if it's that in demand.
> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Korean_Vulva2.jpg>
>
> I shouldn't even act surprised...I guess.. :-/
>
> Were the reasons we provided not valid enough? Can you even challenge
> something like this? Did I miss something? Am I doing this wrong? Regardless
> of the subject, I don't understand why the admin would declare the peoples
> reasons in valid based on my knowledge of the Commons policies...: "Commons
> is not a porn site", "private location, lack of model release" etc...
>
> (And yes, I was a little snappy on my nomination (this was my original
> rager when I nominated a bunch of stuff from the "high heels"
> category..)...so no need to reprimand meI've curbed my 'tude!)
>
> Any help would be great,
>
> Sarah
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Sharing an article

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On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> All,
>
> I just ran across a short Wikipedia article I wrote a couple years ago, and
> thought I'd share it. It's a bio of Frances Fuller Victor:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Fuller_Victor
>
> Victor was generally known as a novelist of the 19th century American West,
> but she also ghost-wrote tremendous quantities of history for publisher
> Hubert Howe Bancroft, without attribution. She was a feminist:
>
> "But just so long as women content themselves to be parasites, no matter
> how graceful or beautiful in their dependence, so long will they degrade the
> idea of work for their less fortunate sisters, make more thorny the path of
> the honestly struggling of their sex, reduce the wages that woman receives
> for her work, and perpetuate their own moral enslavement" ([Dorothy D.],
> "Poor Ladies," San Francisco Daily Morning Call, April 25, 1875, 
> 1<http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3687/is_199701/ai_n8747112/pg_14/>
> ).
>
>
> Another article that may be of interest is Pat Barker's bio. Sue Gardner
> started the article a while back, and several of us have chipped in along
> the way; I think it's a pretty strong bio, about a compelling woman. Barker
> is an award-winning, contemporary English novelist, whose work centers
> around memory, trauma, survival and recovery:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Barker
>
> I thought, along with the more serious deliberations, it might be nice to
> occasionally share interesting Wikipedia content we've worked on related to
> gender. If you've worked on something that may be of interest to this list,
> please share your links too!
>
> -Pete
>

Pete, this is a great idea! I've enjoyed reading the articles that people
have shared.

I have a few favorites but one that stands out is a biography of a living
person that I wrote. I rarely create BLPs because of the concerns that I
have with them being filled with unsourced negative content.

But JoAnn H. Morgan stood out as a glaring omission that I couldn't pass on.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JoAnn_H._Morgan

Morgan was the first female engineer at Kennedy Space Center when she went
to work there in 1963, and she remained the only one for a long time. Back
in the 60's she helped design the rocket launch computer systems for the
initial NASA flight programs. For advancement she decided to go into
management instead of flight, and later she was the first woman to serve as
a senior executive at Kennedy Space Center.

There is loads more information about her in books, and more good images
since she worked for the US government,  so her article could be expanded
more.
Katherine Bement Davis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Bement_Davisor
Ellen_Hardin_Walworth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Hardin_Walworthare
more typical of the people who I write about.
I enjoy writing about women who were trailblazers during the late 19th or
early 20th century. Many of them were well known during their time but fell
out of common knowledge because they did have positions in society that were
recorded in textbooks.
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Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

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On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:24 AM, paolo massa  wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Arnaud HERVE 
> wrote:
> > On 07/09/2011 04:02, Nathan wrote:
> > If you have time you can have a look at the photos in pregnancy pages in
> > Farsi and Arabic. You have the languages column in the left of the
> > English page. The decency of those pages, which in North American
> > feminism would be typically considered as protecting women, is now in
> > Western Europe becoming associated with a threat to civic rights of
> > women. The pages with the naked woman are the pages of countries with
> > strong women rights.
>
> You can possibly more easily check Linguistic Points Of View (LPOV) of
> different Wikipedia communities using Manypedia, a tool we developed
> for cross-cultural investigations.
>

Paolo,

This is very cool, and useful for cross wiki work. :-)

Thank you for your work on this and bringing it to our attention.

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

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On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Arnaud HERVE  wrote:

> On 07/09/2011 04:02, Nathan wrote:
> >
> >
> > Since we know that the gender gap exists in many cultures, and not
> > just the U.S. or Europe, being aware of and sensitive to specific
> > cultural biases takes on special merit here. Far more "gratuitous"
> > nudity is not terribly uncommon throughout Western Europe, for
> > example, in everything from general interest magazines and newspapers
> > to street ads, movies, other media and even in personal interaction
> > (see [[Love parade]]).
>
> Yes nudity in Western Europe has become so frequent that it is devoid of
> any significance now. Showing sexual intercourse can provoke a debate
> about proper and improper, but Western Europeans will hardly notice an
> ad with a naked woman.
>
> However, there is a new element. That is the pressure from Islamic
> immigration.
>
> Some radical Muslims want the sharia immediately applied to all
> populations, even non Muslims, because sharia is the law from God, and
> God is far superior to any parliament or constitution. Some Muslims are
> more tolerant for other populations, but for their own family it is
> still the law, the law as in not a personal choice. Some other Muslims
> would like to get rid of Islam, but they are not helped by the
> prevailing multicultural policies, which tend to accept community
> leaders as the true representatives of what they wish.
>
> In the past, xenophobia was restricted to extreme-right political
> groups. However recently there has been a change, and the liberal
> lobbies have turned against Islam, which creates a new situation as it
> is the immigrant population which is now perceived as culturally
> backwards and threatening for civic rights. The majority of native
> European populations now perceive immigration as civilization
> threatening, and in this context Islam is perceived as particularly
> incompatible with Western civilization. Gender issues have become a
> major landmark for that in public debate. Gay groups, feminist groups,
> secular groups, now perceive the right to show female nudity, the right
> to celibate autonomous life, the right to gender orientation as gains of
> modern civilization, to defend actively and specifically against Islam.
> In the past it was against the local conservative right, now it is
> explicitly against Islam.
>
> As far as medical treatment of women is concerned, the sharia explicitly
> states that :
>
> - A woman patient cannot be seen naked, or even touched, by a male
> doctor. When the doctor is female that is not an issue, and fortunately
> many doctors are female. However, for specialized or emergency
> treatment, we now have a record of of life threatening situations or
> severe lasting damages, because the husband, the father or even the
> brother did not allow treatment.
>
> This also includes severe damages to the baby in obstetrics, when a
> complication occurred and the intervention of a male specialist was
> refused by the "man in charge".
> All this to explain to you that in Western Europe as it is now, the
> refusal to show nudity is becoming clearly identified with Islam, and
> feminists are turning clearly against Islam.
>
snip

>
> If you have time you can have a look at the photos in pregnancy pages in
> Farsi and Arabic. You have the languages column in the left of the
> English page. The decency of those pages, which in North American
> feminism would be typically considered as protecting women, is now in
> Western Europe becoming associated with a threat to civic rights of
> women. The pages with the naked woman are the pages of countries with
> strong women rights.
>
> Urdu and Punjabi pages are not developed, but then they are seldom
> developed for anything, so it is not very relevant. Some European
> languages have very little population and contributors, so they are not
> very relevant either. The Dutch page is surprising, as it shows more
> nudity, and in Holland they both enjoy high standards of women's rights,
> and Islam has become widely considered as an equivalent for political
> murder and threats to civic rights.
>
>
> Arnaud
>

Hi Arnaud,

Thank you for this enlightening email.

In the past I work as an obstetrical and gynecological nurse, and know some
of the difficulties in treating Muslim women in the United States where they
would be a minority population. In the United States, our health care system
is totally inadequate to meets the needs of people who wanted high quality
medical care and have religious/cultural  beliefs that prevent people from
the opposite gender from seeing them nude.

The way that it can effect women who want to be educated is important, too,
and very relevant to our work on Wikimedia projects.

I find your information about feminist reaction in Western Europe to be
interesting and informative. As I mentioned in another thread today, there
can be vastly differing opinions among feminists about issues related to
sexually 

Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

[Sydney Poore]

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Fred Bauder  wrote:

> > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 19:27,   wrote:
> >> Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise
> >> and
> >> get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss
> >> whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/buttock etc. is more
> >> appropriate for an article.
> >>
> >> Hope that also engenders a good laugh
> >>
> >> Carol in dc
> >>
> > It's actually a serious point, though. It would be great to provide
> > images for those articles that don't portray women the way certain men
> > want to see them portrayed. I recall the Body Shop did that a couple
> > of decades ago -- started using images of women that fell outside the
> > usual range that tended to be objectified (older, not thin, etc). They
> > produced some very good ads as a result. The difficulty for us would
> > be in finding those images, then in maintaining them on the pages.
> >
> > Sarah
>
> The concept of "being objectified" needs to be explained to the community
> and incorporated into our style guides. This has to make sense rather
> than being misunderstood.
>
> Fred
>

Absolutely agree, Fred. I was very pleased with the response that I got from
my email about the High-heel shoes category. Talking about this topic will
ruffle some feather, but it is important and needs to happen.

The issues is complex and feminist have differing views about it. So, we
need to take care to discuss it in a way that fairly represents a broad
spectrum of view.

But in all cases, women should be given space to speak up when they feel
objectified or see it happening to other people. Right now with women in the
minority on WMF projects, imo, this is not happening enough.

Sydney

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Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

[Sydney Poore]

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Sarah  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 19:27,   wrote:
> > Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise and
> > get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss
> > whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/buttock etc. is more
> > appropriate for an article.
> >
> > Hope that also engenders a good laugh
> >
> > Carol in dc
> >
> It's actually a serious point, though. It would be great to provide
> images for those articles that don't portray women the way certain men
> want to see them portrayed. I recall the Body Shop did that a couple
> of decades ago -- started using images of women that fell outside the
> usual range that tended to be objectified (older, not thin, etc). They
> produced some very good ads as a result. The difficulty for us would
> be in finding those images, then in maintaining them on the pages.
>

Yes, I remember this, too.

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC

[Sydney Poore]

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:27 PM,  wrote:

> On 9/6/2011 5:18 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
> > I have to say that viewing pregnancy as a "medical article" seems to be
> > a rather male point of view :) I also find it telling that maternity
> > clothing isn't even mentioned in the article (but I guess that makes
> > sense if pregnant women don't wear clothes).
> >
> > Ryan Kaldari
> >
> So funny...
>
> I won't even start on the naughty thoughts this sexagenarian has had
> about adding nude body part photos to all sorts of articles.  Oh, why
> not...
>

I thought about this when I saw all of the images of young attractive women
in heels that had been uploaded and displayed together. The lack of
diversity was striking.

>
> Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise and
> get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss
> whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/buttock etc. is more
> appropriate for an article.
>
> Hope that also engenders a good laugh
>
> Carol in dc
>

There have been groups of women who have done to fund raise. Calenders
usually. We need to find some of them which would be notable and worth
writing about.



Sydney

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Re: [Gendergap] Sesame Street articles

[Sydney Poore]

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Christine Meyer
wrote:

> This may not qualify as appropriate for this list, but in the little bit of
> time I've been in this mailing list I've seen that articles written by women
> are fair game.  I also believe that this would be appropriate because the
> subject, the children's television show "Sesame Street," is a
> female-oriented subject.  These articles have been largely neglected, I
> think, because The Show's viewers are small children and their parents, a
> demographic that doesn't tend to edit Wikipedia.  For that reason, I think
> that they also fulfill the systematic bias.  (I also edit other articles
> that apply, including articles about other children's television shows such
> as Blue's Clues--a GA, and The Wiggles--my first FA).
>

Hi Christine :-)

I agree that this topic is appropriate for this  mailing list. And I agree
that this topic has been neglected because it is outside the usual topic of
interest of our regular contributors. It is fantastic that you have adopted
these articles and are shepherding them to FA.

>
> BTW, Sesame Street (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesame_Street) is
> currently up for FA.  This article was delisted in 2008, for good reason,
> and I've been working on it ever since.  It's been quite a journey.  I've
> become an expert on The Show, have amassed a small library of SS books, and
> have experienced a great amount of joy in the process.  FA is so close!  All
> weekend, I'm thinking, "C'mon!  It's a holiday weekend; surely you have the
> time to pass it!" ;)  If it passes, it will be my 9th FA, and my 1st to pass
> in only one FAC.
>
> The interesting thing about this article is that it's essentially a series
> of summaries of forked articles, all of which I created or re-wrote.  The
> first of these forked articles, "History of Sesame Street", was the first of
> these articles to become an FA.  Many of the others are also FAs or GAs.
> Currently, I'm helping someone write "Sesame Street in the U.K." (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesame_Street_in_the_U.K.) that demonstrates
> the need for improvement for these articles.  I'm thinking that the creator
> is either a member of the demographic mentioned above or a second-language
> learner.  At the very least, he's a horrible writer.  I was going to just
> let it go (there are scores of badly-written articles on WP, you know), but
> I decided that if I did, I'd be embarrassed by the association.  Ugh, what a
> pain!
>
> For the most part, other than this fellow and maybe two other editors in
> all of WP, I've been mostly alone in this endeavor.  That's why it's taken
> three years to get "Sesame Street" to FAC.  There are benefits to working
> this way; I've experienced very little of the drama that I've seen with
> other editors who tend to edit high-profile and controversial articles. I've
> also had, for the most part, very positive experiences as a content editor.
>
>
> OTOH, the articles I focus on tend to be highly vandalized.  (Don't get me
> started on "Steve Burns"!)  Personally, I think that's the key to becoming
> indoctrinated to become a "successful" WP editor; begin with articles that
> don't get a lot of attention and ones you can learn from and have the
> freedom to make mistakes.
>

Good luck with the FA!! Hope that it passes soon.

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] High-heeled shoes as a case study

[Sydney Poore]

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Chris Keating wrote:

> > The number of images in Category:High-heeled shoes is higher than most
> > categories about footwear. Approximately one- third of the images are of
> > full body shots of attractive females who are wearing high heeled shoes,
> and
> > a significant number of them are nude or posed in sexually provocative
> > positions.
> >
>
> Hmm, yes, it's very different from all the other categories about
> types of shoes.
>
> I was just having a look at that category and this image caught my
> eye:
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Young_girl_with_see-through_tops_and_shorts.jpg
>
> It was bot-transferred over from Flickr with a description of "Hello,
> My name is Amber and I'm 5' 1" and very petite. I like to meet new
> people and I'm very easy to get to know. Just ad me as a friend to see
> all my pics and any comments, notes, and favorites are appreciated
> too. bye for"
>
> The Flickr accounts originally involved have since been deleted
>
> This makes me very suspicious that we've basically taken an image from
> a porn-spammer and unquestioningly put it on Commons
>
> Chris
> (The Land)
>

Chris, that is a good point.

Commons has other images of "Amber". Including one with the original
description "You guys can get as ruff as you like. I promise I won't break!!
bye for now, Amber "

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Teen_in_tank_top_and_cut-offs.jpg

Sydney
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Re: [Gendergap] Females and underrepresented students coming onboard

[Sydney Poore]

Thank you Karen for letting us know that you are inviting your students to
the mailing list. It would be great to hear their perspective on the topics
related to gender and Wikipedia (and Wikimedia). So, I hope that they decide
to participate.

Sydney

FloNight

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Karen Sue Rolph wrote:

>
>  Dear Colleagues,
>
> I am too busy right now to weigh in on everything I'd like to; I have
> expertise on gender and diversity, which is why I'm here.
>
> I am offering the gendergap list to my Wikipedia class (university)
> students effective next week, so please anticipate new "faces."  The
> greatest concentration will be female, but I am pleased we have a diverse
> group, ethnically, linguistically, and culturally.  Please be kind to our
> newcomers; we may all make some mistakes while coming to understand
> Wikipedia's liberties and constraints.  I will not assign the list in terms
> of coursework, but I want (especially female) students to know this forum
> exists.  Some students will have staying power; I see it as a shared
> privilege to encourage all students demonstrating an inclination to get
> involved with Wikipedia contributing.  Thank you in advance for supporting
> new subscribers to this list, and the goal of greater gender and diversity
> equity in Wikipedia.
>
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