Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On 17 Jul 2007, at 17:19, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote: I believe that even Linus - who is noted for his long-standing opposition to v3 - would change his mind were he to experience this. They're using the operating system _I_ wrote to lock me out of _my own_ router?!?!?!? Linus has said it several times that he was ok with the thing Tivo did. And Tivo is the reason for that clause in GPLv3. I've seen no evidence that he said this AFTER spending a big chunk of his own money on hardware, plugging it into his ethernet network and finding himself frustrated by an inability to copy shows recorded in his living room to the Tivo in his den. A problem with having well-paid and financially successful leaders is the risk of them becoming out of touch with the common man. Linux is Linus' baby and he's entitled to license his code however he wishes but he can afford a nice sports car now and I doubt that he has to pay for much hardware. I'm not saying that Linus is wrong, just that he might see things differently if the license he used on his software caused him time, inconvenience, frustration and expense. Say what you like about the lunatic fringe, but RMS has never forgotten that laser printer which he was unable to fix because the code was denied him. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] notebook lcd resolution problem
Stefán István wrote: (II) NV(0): Monitor0: Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz (II) NV(0): Monitor0: Using default vrefresh range of 50.00-70.00 Hz is the reason all the other modes are being disabled: (II) NV(0): Not using default mode 640x350 (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode 320x175 (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) Try adding the HorizSync and VertRefresh options to the Monitor section of your xorg.conf: Section Monitor Identifier Monitor2 ModelName Sharp LC-42XD1E DisplaySize 1161653 HorizSync 31.0 - 150.0 VertRefresh 48.0 - 75.0 Also it seems you're lacking a modeline for the 1440x900 resolution of your DFP. This one /might/ work: Modeline1440x900 108.84 1440 1472 1880 1912 900 918 927 946 Good luck! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On 17 Jul 2007, at 18:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TiVo ... did not allow modified, and therefore potentially Compromised, devices connect to their network. This does not sound like theft of code, it sounds like sound network protocol. If you wish to maintain a secure environment that is stable for thousands of users, and has a lot of money riding on it, you do not allow compromised devices to connect. I'm not familiar with Tivo's network - I'd had the impression that a Tivo merely dialled into their servers obtained a TV schedule. However, this is not the point. The point is that Tivo SOLD people hardware which was locked in such a way that it made restrictions upon the purchasers' use of that hardware. I presume that - although the GPL requires Tivo to inform purchasers of their rights to a copy of the source code - this retriction was not advertised at the point-of-sale. There are lots of valid uses for a low-power computer with a TV-tuner card, a hard-drive and a good TV-compatible video-output aside from hacking Tivo's network. If you want to build a secure network I think it's behoven upon you to bear the cost of that. I just find it the idea objectionable that you should be able to take source code that other people have written - that other people have released publicly with the intent that it should benefit all - and use that in a way detrimental to the majority of users. To bear the cost of a secure environment feel free to rent out the equipment. Require a minimum 12-month contract, if you wish, but do not sell the customer equipment which locks them into your service, equipment which they own but which is worthless scrap should they choose to cancel their subscription with you. That, IMO, is misleading and whilst vendors may be entitled to sell equipment which is locked to their service, I feel they ought to have the good grace to write their own damn code if they're going to do so. Nintendo do this quite successfully with their PS3 Xbox360 consoles, and do not rely on the open-source community to give them a free ride. In the Land Of The Free consumers might not need any protection from entering into any contract that they wish, but over here in Europe we consider this sort of behaviour as petty any anti-competitive. The TiVo thing was completely within the word and spirit of the GPL. It is sad that many zealots seem to interpret the texts otherwise. Whilst it may have been within the _word_ of the GPL your remarks do not explain why the GPL has been specifically rewritten to exclude this behaviour. How do you reconcile this fact with your remarks that the Tivo thing is within the _sprit_ of the GPL? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On 17 Jul 2007, at 18:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The preamble of Version 2 was almost unchanged from the original preamble written for the first GPL license. It was eloquent. It was convincing. It was awe inspiring. ... It is hard to explain my feelings about the new license. ... They took a license that was a work of art that stood as an example to two loosely bound movements, and ran it through the shredder. It is like looking upon the battle flag of your own nation with a moment of pride, only to notice that some vandal has written seditious slurs all over it. I don't agree with you, but your own words are very eloquently written, and do cause me to respect your position. I have read both licenses fully, but sometime I'll have to find the time to do so again and reread your posts. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On 18 Jul 2007, at 13:38, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 17 July 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: It was *barely* within the word, and definitely not within the spirit of the GPL. Don't beleive me? Ask anyone at the FSF or RMS himself. They wrote the thing. ... Tivo had no option, their content providers would never have given them a license to redistribute content without the mods they did, and the shareholders would never have approved of Tivo trying to go against the content provider's conditions. Um... isn't a Tivo a device for recording TV programs? In this case Tivo _has_ no content providers of their own. As I understand it Tivo is just a fancy video recorder - a particularly advanced one for its time, but that's all. In these litigation-prone times I can see why Tivo bow to the content providers, but really they have no more right to tell customers how to use their device than LG or Philips would have to say you're allowed to record soap operas with this VHS recorder we sold you, but not full-length movies. As far as I'm concerned the GPL is a license that protects consumers. That is the intent of it, as has been explained by Mike Edenfield so well a couple of times in the last 24 hours. Had Tivo written their own operating system from the ground up it would have cost them a lot more (in time, money, resources), and they could easily have been undercut by a competitor producing a better product based on Linux. Under GPL v3 the competitor's success will at least ensure they have the money to defend against lawsuits from the content providers. The sad thing for Tivo their proponents is that now - what? 5 years later? less? - you can buy a Chinese DVR (digital video recorder) for recording your TV programs for $100 or so. I'll bet the manufacturers of those don't suck it up to the content providers the way Tivo has and I'm sure lots of them will allow you to dump any program you've recorded as DivX to CD-R or as DVD and give it to friends or family. Tivo may have made bucks by being early to the market but the western manufacturing philosophy of treating customers as secondary to the media companies will come back bite us all on the ass when customers choose to shop elsewhere. You can't compete with giving the customer what he wants. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On 18 Jul 2007, at 13:35, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: ... You can get everything at once and in the same place using the online docs: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html This manual is very excellent. I believe you can also get it in PDF format - I printed it out over 3 years ago and still occasionally refer to it. How I miss my former employers' printer which would fold stable paper to give A4 A5 booklets. The GRUB manual is as good as lots of books you'd pay $$$ for. And they are also written with the assumption that the reader understands the confines a boot loader has to work in. I don't know. I think the overview is pretty clear http:// www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Overview, and leads into the remainder of the documentation quite well. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] notebook lcd resolution problem
Thanks for the help, it works now! But one thing is still not clear for me: why isn't xorg able to determine the horizsync and vertrefresh rates automatically? Istvan szerda 18 július 2007 15.22 dátummal Steve Dommett ezt írta: Stefán István wrote: (II) NV(0): Monitor0: Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz (II) NV(0): Monitor0: Using default vrefresh range of 50.00-70.00 Hz is the reason all the other modes are being disabled: (II) NV(0): Not using default mode 640x350 (vrefresh out of range) (II) NV(0): Not using default mode 320x175 (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) Try adding the HorizSync and VertRefresh options to the Monitor section of your xorg.conf: Section Monitor Identifier Monitor2 ModelName Sharp LC-42XD1E DisplaySize 1161653 HorizSync 31.0 - 150.0 VertRefresh 48.0 - 75.0 Also it seems you're lacking a modeline for the 1440x900 resolution of your DFP. This one /might/ work: Modeline1440x900 108.84 1440 1472 1880 1912 900 918 927 946 Good luck! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Stroller wrote: On 18 Jul 2007, at 13:35, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: ... You can get everything at once and in the same place using the online docs: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html This manual is very excellent. I believe you can also get it in PDF format - I printed it out over 3 years ago and still occasionally refer to it. How I miss my former employers' printer which would fold stable paper to give A4 A5 booklets. The GRUB manual is as good as lots of books you'd pay $$$ for. Yes, it is good documentation, in that everything is there - complete docs are a rare thing these days. But few people that I've come across thought to check the info pages and get it. And they are also written with the assumption that the reader understands the confines a boot loader has to work in. I don't know. I think the overview is pretty clear http:// www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Overview, and leads into the remainder of the documentation quite well. Well there's at least two people who know how boot loaders work. But it's not an easy concept to grasp for the average person. I get a feel that you are not an average person so your impressions are not valid for them. The big stumbling block is getting people to grasp that grub is not an OS, it's not a linux app as linux is not in memory yet. And yet, it can still read files and dirs that linux put there, and it's config file read at run time is a linux file. It's enough to make the average person's head spin (and does) - it can easily take two hours for me to get a class full of reasonably bright Windows techies to grasp why you use kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz-version options with a separate boot partition, and kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-version options when /boot is not a separate partition. Then there's the bit about grub being able to load linux and Multiboot-compliant kernels natively, but Windows and others must be chainloaded... None of this means that the grub docs are poor - it's just that bootloaders are tricky beasts to grasp and the docs are correspondingly hard to write so that Joe Average User gets it all first time through -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 01:02, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 18:12 -0500, »Q« wrote: In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read the GRUB documentation, but still don't understand why the following worked: [snip grub.conf] I would've thought that the chainloader +1 statement would be required -- that's my experience at least. It's only needed if you're booting an unsupported (by grub) OS; no only unsupported OSs, you can chainload anything (bootable) such as another linux distro, which has installed a bootloader into the partition. See how this guy booted 30+ OS's from grub: http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=134856 it tells grub to just hand off to another bootloader. The +1 tells grub to load the first sector of the OS's partition, which is where the other bootloader should be embedded. As long as you're booting Linux kernels, you can just point grub at them without using another bootloader. you mean as long as grub understands the kernel and filesystem, you can tell grub to load the kernel directly, with provided arguments. I think :) If you have some reason not to mix one OS', or distro's boot files, kernels, etc with another, plus if you want to try a different version of grub then you can install grub separately in the new OS partition (instead of the MBR) and chainload this from your primary grub installation. Should you wish to remove the new OS at a later date, you will not need to rummage through the primary OS' /boot to clean out redundant kernel images and what not. Otherwise, as already mentioned, Grub will boot natively all Linux distros. -- Regards, Mick pgpafdje2jzBm.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Linux becomes expensive ;)
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:49:21 -0500, Dan Farrell wrote: it takes just as much power to spin up the drive as to keep it spinning for a few extra minutes. So ... spin it down after a few more minutes? -- hendrik Thanks for the report, I found it very interesting. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:53:45 +0100, Mick wrote: If you have some reason not to mix one OS', or distro's boot files, kernels, etc with another, plus if you want to try a different version of grub then you can install grub separately in the new OS partition (instead of the MBR) and chainload this from your primary grub installation. Should you wish to remove the new OS at a later date, you will not need to rummage through the primary OS' /boot to clean out redundant kernel images and what not. You don't need to mix files to have more than one distro boot from the same GRUB menu, just set the root() parameter accordingly for each distro. -- Neil Bothwick I am NOT Paranoid! And why are you always watching me?? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Linux becomes expensive ;)
On 7/18/07, Hendrik Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:49:21 -0500, Dan Farrell wrote: it takes just as much power to spin up the drive as to keep it spinning for a few extra minutes. So ... spin it down after a few more minutes? -- hendrik No, only spin it down when the savings from the down cycle outweigh the power cost of spinup+spindown (I don't know whether spindown uses extra power, to brake the drive or anything). Say you have a drive that uses 1W/m (huge, but I'm being merciful to my math skills) while in usage, and requires 5W to spinup. If you're going to shut it down for 1m, you're looking at saving 1W and using 5, net use of 4, when leaving it spinning would only use 1. However, if it's going to be inactive for 30 min, you're using 5 and saving 30, net savings of 25. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On 18 Jul 2007, at 16:00, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... I don't know. I think the overview is pretty clear http:// www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Overview, and leads into the remainder of the documentation quite well. ... The big stumbling block is getting people to grasp that grub is not an OS, it's not a linux app as linux is not in memory yet. And yet, it can still read files and dirs that linux put there, and it's config file read at run time is a linux file. Um... surely the config file (um... grub.conf, right?) is _just_ a file. It's not a Linux file, it's not a GRUB file, it's just a text file, which can be edited by any operating system that can write to the partition. I have in the past considered putting grub.conf on a FAT32 partition - I'm not 101% sure that'd work but I've never tried because I never actually saw the usefulness. It's enough to make the average person's head spin (and does) - it can easily take two hours for me to get a class full of reasonably bright Windows techies to grasp ... You clearly have more experience than I do with teaching novices about Linux. You might ask them to consider - as a teaching aid - the Windows XP boot.ini file (I believe this is retired in Vista). Boot.ini can be edited in Windows' Notepad in much the same way grub.conf can be edited with vi or nano. Very few Windows users will have any experience of doing more than removing an extra line (where the system was dual-booting to a previous installation of Millennium Edition, for instance) or reducing the countdown time before automatically booting the default entry, but if your students are bright then they will be aware of the boot.ini and will have done that much. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': On Tuesday 17 July 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: The TiVo thing was completely within the word and spirit of the GPL. It was *barely* within the word, and definitely not within the spirit of the GPL. Don't beleive me? Ask anyone at the FSF or RMS himself. They wrote the thing. TiVo did just that and got the A-OK signal and thumbs up from the FSF's lawyers. That's because you *could* swap out the software on early TiVos. Sometime later, someone had a hissy fit, FSF reversed their stated position and suddenly Tivo becomes spawn of satan. Because they started artificially limiting users' freedoms 0, 1, and partially 3. Tivo had no option, their content providers would never have given them a license to redistribute content without the mods they did It's not my (or my community's, or my code's) job to support your business model. If you can't play by the license, then you can't use the software. It's not the software that is crippled, it's the hardware. No, it's the software because they haven't given it all to us. For software to run on the device it was *designed* to run on it's required to be signed; therefore, the signature is part of the binary and a derivative of a GPLv2 work. That work distributed presumably under the GPLv2, which means the source (preferred format for making modifications) must be provided, and TiVo has not yet published the necessary tools for us to generate our own signatures. They are therefore limiting freedom 1, which limits freedom 0, and indirectly freedom 3, because the community cannot benefit. So, in what way have Tivo removed people's freedom as granted by the GPL? Artificially limiting freedoms 0, 1, and 3. The restriction is fundamentally different from a RAM or HD space limit; a binary that does nothing but play pong (well within the hardware capabilities of the TiVo) is still not allowed to run without the signature. Personally, I think TiVo COULD be called out for violating GPLv2, but IANAL and Eben is and declined to file suit against them. Under the GPLv3, users' freedoms are better protected, and it's quite clear that TiVo would/will be in violation of that license. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': What should I do, in your opinion? Probably LGPLv3, which will allow GPLv2 (and proprietary) projects to use it without requiring the combined work to be GPLv3. Actually, I'm probably going to take a pen to the LGPLv3 in the future and turn it into something along the lines of GPLv3 or, if your larger work is licenced under any version of the GPL, LGPLv3, but that's for the future and I'll want to run the license by the FSF first before using it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Linux becomes expensive ;)
On 7/18/07, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/18/07, Hendrik Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:49:21 -0500, Dan Farrell wrote: it takes just as much power to spin up the drive as to keep it spinning for a few extra minutes. So ... spin it down after a few more minutes? -- hendrik No, only spin it down when the savings from the down cycle outweigh the power cost of spinup+spindown (I don't know whether spindown uses extra power, to brake the drive or anything). Say you have a drive that uses 1W/m (huge, but I'm being merciful to my math skills) while in usage, and requires 5W to spinup. If you're going to shut it down for 1m, you're looking at saving 1W and using 5, net use of 4, when leaving it spinning would only use 1. However, if it's going to be inactive for 30 min, you're using 5 and saving 30, net savings of 25. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Ryan, You're certainly right that hard drives take more power to start up but I think the arbitrary values you used don't quite represent what really goes on. First though, let me help you with your units. Watts, a unit measuring power, is defined as energy per time period. A device that requires 5 watts and runs for 1 minute will use the same amount of energy as a 10 watt device running for 30 seconds. I think what you really meant to use was Joules, which measures energy. 1 joule per second is one watt. Now, as for the wattage values you supplied. A quick question posed to google lead me to http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/storage/hddpower.html where you can see a listing of power consumption for various hard drives (mostly models that would be used in servers, but they will do) when idle, under use, and most importantly at start up. Looking at the values, it seems that saying a drive uses 12W while active, 8W while idle, and 30W at startup seem reasonable. I don't see anything indicating how long a drive takes to spin up, but I would assume it's something rather short. Let's say 5 seconds (which is probably longer than it actually takes). So here is your hard drive, happily powered up but idle, using 8 watts of power. Since it is idle, you might be wondering if it should be turned off to save power. Since it seems a drive uses 30 watts for 5 seconds when powering up, this is 30x5 or 150 joules. At 8 watts, it will take 150/8 or 18.75 seconds to use 150 joules. Therefore, if this hard drive is going to be idle for more than 18.75 seconds it makes sense to shut it off. Of course real drives will almost certainly be different, but the point is it only would seem to take a few seconds of idle time before powering down makes sense. Also one could argue that this doesn't take into account the effects of wear and tear when stopping/starting drives, but I personally believe those effects are negligible. Finally, an interesting thing about hard drives is that when they are spinning down (at least when power has been unexpectedly cut off), the motor that spins the platters is used as a generator, taking the energy of the spinning drive to move the read/write heads to the parked position, so there is no power cost associated with powering down a drive. Julian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': However, this is not the point. The point is that Tivo SOLD people hardware This is the salient point for me, too. If hardware was still owned by TiVo (in reality, not just in name) I'd have no problem with them deciding what can run on it and taking steps to prevent tampering. I'm not sure Stallman would agree with me -- users may or may not own the device their software runs on, and Stallman is all about users. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
Hello list,
I just got a new box for use at work, its an Intel Core Duo 1.8, 1GB
RAM, with an Intel graphic card, its a IBM Lenovo machine. My old one
is an Itautec Athlon XP 1.1GHz with 512MB RAM and an Nvidia AGP
graphic card.
My make.conf (intersting part):
CFLAGS=-mno-tls-direct-seg-refs -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
-march=athlon-xp
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=-j2
What I want to know is, will my software, compiled with the above
settings, run in the new processor?
Cause if it does, I may be able to compile a generic kernel set (using
genkernel) and udev should take care of most module loading, and I
won't need to rebuild all my stuff. I've tested some binary packages
with an old Pentium III processor, and it worked...
Anyway, should I start from scratch or there's an easy way to migrate
all this stuff?
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Computer Operator - RS - Brazil
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[gentoo-user] Re: Installation problems
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:44:32 +0100, Mike Williams wrote: Gut reaction, firewire. I've seen exactly the same on my own boxes. Debian is doing the same too, so I'd just go add a net.eth1 symlink change your config and use that instead, just don't remove firewire networking support, or you ethernet interface may become eth0 (udev might save you). After my son, Henk Boom, who was an earlier gentoo adopter in my household, showed me just where the net.eth1 symlink had to go, it all boots properly. Thanks. I had never dreamed that firewire would be recognised as an ethernet! - hendrik -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
Daniel da Veiga wrote:
Hello list,
I just got a new box for use at work, its an Intel Core Duo 1.8, 1GB
RAM, with an Intel graphic card, its a IBM Lenovo machine. My old one
is an Itautec Athlon XP 1.1GHz with 512MB RAM and an Nvidia AGP
graphic card.
My make.conf (intersting part):
CFLAGS=-mno-tls-direct-seg-refs -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
-march=athlon-xp
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=-j2
I'd look at what optimizations the march athlon-xp uses and compare that
with the march you are going to there maybe some that you want to enable
for the Core Duo. The CHOST shouldn't be an issue. It should be noted
that you won't have an 64bit support if the new CPU even supports this
don't remember off the top of my head. I suspect it will run without
issues though.
What I want to know is, will my software, compiled with the above
settings, run in the new processor?
Cause if it does, I may be able to compile a generic kernel set (using
genkernel) and udev should take care of most module loading, and I
won't need to rebuild all my stuff. I've tested some binary packages
with an old Pentium III processor, and it worked...
Anyway, should I start from scratch or there's an easy way to migrate
all this stuff?
--Joshua Doll
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installation problems
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:33:20 + (UTC), Hendrik Boom wrote: After my son, Henk Boom, who was an earlier gentoo adopter in my household, showed me just where the net.eth1 symlink had to go, it all boots properly. Thanks. I had never dreamed that firewire would be recognised as an ethernet! It is if you have CONFIG_IEEE1394_ETH1394 set in your kernel. If you want your standard ethernet to be eth0, swap over NAME settings in the definitions in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules. -- Neil Bothwick TEXAS VIRUS: Makes sure that it's bigger than any other file. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:06:57 +0100, Stroller wrote: I have in the past considered putting grub.conf on a FAT32 partition - I'm not 101% sure that'd work but I've never tried because I never actually saw the usefulness. It will work, provided you call the file menu.lst, because the GRUB FAT driver can only handle 8.3 filenames. The same applies when using GRUB on a CD, it can't read grub.conf because it's not an ISO 9660 Level 1 name, but it works fine with menu.lst. So, in a way, grub.conf is a Linux file, because it needs to be on a Linux filesystem for GRUB to read it :-/ -- Neil Bothwick What Aussies lack in Humour they make up for in Beer! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote: On 17 Jul 2007, at 17:19, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote: I believe that even Linus - who is noted for his long-standing opposition to v3 - would change his mind were he to experience this. They're using the operating system _I_ wrote to lock me out of _my own_ router?!?!?!? Linus has said it several times that he was ok with the thing Tivo did. And Tivo is the reason for that clause in GPLv3. I've seen no evidence that he said this AFTER spending a big chunk of his own money on hardware, plugging it into his ethernet network and finding himself frustrated by an inability to copy shows recorded in his living room to the Tivo in his den. A problem with having well-paid and financially successful leaders is the risk of them becoming out of touch with the common man. Linux is Linus' baby and he's entitled to license his code however he wishes but he can afford a nice sports car now and I doubt that he has to pay for much hardware. I'm not saying that Linus is wrong, just that he might see things differently if the license he used on his software caused him time, inconvenience, frustration and expense. Say what you like about the lunatic fringe, but RMS has never forgotten that laser printer which he was unable to fix because the code was denied him. Stroller. a) nobody is forced to buy a tivo. If you don't like it, don't buy it and you don't have problems. b) AFAIR Linus owns a Tivo himself. c) it is morally wrong to try to dictate HARDWARE licence problems with a SOFTWARE licence d) If I can't use the software freely anymore one of the key freedoms is gone. This is the same stupidity like anti-terror law. Lets take away freedom and free speech to protect freedom and free speeach e) Linus is not alone. You should read what Jesper Juhl wrote in one of the lenghty discussions on lkml. Very interessting. http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=118211628209101w=2 you might also read the rest of it. It might open your eyes. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
Daniel da Veiga writes:
I just got a new box for use at work, its an Intel Core Duo 1.8, 1GB
RAM, with an Intel graphic card, its a IBM Lenovo machine. My old one
is an Itautec Athlon XP 1.1GHz with 512MB RAM and an Nvidia AGP
graphic card.
My make.conf (intersting part):
CFLAGS=-mno-tls-direct-seg-refs -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
-march=athlon-xp
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=-j2
What I want to know is, will my software, compiled with the above
settings, run in the new processor?
I think this will not work well, because your current system has
Athlon-specific CPU instructions which the Intel machine dows not know
of. You probably get illegal instruction errors with many binaries. I
even had this when I replaced my athlon-something with a just slightly
less powerful Sempron CPU.
Anyway, should I start from scratch or there's an easy way to migrate
all this stuff?
This should help, if you have exchanged the hardware and experience
problems:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml
However, see this thread, where it did not seem to work:
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_114280.xml
Another method, which I would use, would be to change your CFLAGS to what
you would like for the new processor, but use mtune= instead of march=.
This will also optimize for the cpu, but the code will run on any x86
CPU. emerge world --emptytree to re-compile everything, then switch your
hardware. This will give you flexibility, at the cost of lesser
optimization. Depends on how you use your system, most applications will
not show a noticeable speed ddifference I guess.
You could also change to march= later, when the system ist up, and
re-compile everything again to get full optimization.
Alex
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mail client usage?
On Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirk Heinrichs schrieb: Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs: Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar: I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over here on the GMane side of things. I received it multiple times, too. New ones still arriving :-( Hm. Even when I use the mailinglist (ie. not the Gmane interface), I see his message only once. Strange. Nevermind. I just remembered, that I have my system setup so, that it discards dupes. Sorry. Alexander Skwar that comes handy - I am now at a douzend copies of the same mail - and no end... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
On 7/18/07, Alex Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another method, which I would use, would be to change your CFLAGS to what you would like for the new processor, but use mtune= instead of march=. This will also optimize for the cpu, but the code will run on any x86 CPU. emerge world --emptytree to re-compile everything, then switch your hardware. This will give you flexibility, at the cost of lesser optimization. Depends on how you use your system, most applications will not show a noticeable speed ddifference I guess. You could also change to march= later, when the system ist up, and re-compile everything again to get full optimization. Oh, that's good to know, I guess that's the best option, since after the system is up and running I can do whatever optimizations it needs, as long as I'm able to boot and work with it in the new hardware. Tonight I'll start the (long and boring) process of recompiling the whole stuff with -mtune instead of -march. Thanks to all that replied so far... Maybe more suggestions comming?! -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??': a) nobody is forced to buy a tivo. If you don't like it, don't buy it and you don't have problems. TiVo isn't forced to use GPLv3 licensed code -- if they don't use it, they don't have problems. b) AFAIR Linus owns a Tivo himself. Yes, I believe he does. c) it is morally wrong to try to dictate HARDWARE licence problems with a SOFTWARE licence There's no requirement on the hardware that runs GPLv3 software. You just have to provide the whole source (preferred format for modification) to the full binary (everything that must be in place to run the software on the device it was designed for). d) If I can't use the software freely anymore one of the key freedoms is gone. Yes, which is why the GPL v3 is necessary. This is the same stupidity like anti-terror law. Lets take away freedom and free speech to protect freedom and free speeach Except that the anti-terror laws don't protect freedom or free speech in any way, just life (and it's questionable that they do that). It's more like the laws that say you can be thrown in prison for unlawfully imprisoning others. Your freedom will be restricted (you can't use the software) if you attempt to restrict the freedoms (namely, the four freedoms) of others. e) Linus is not alone. You should read what Jesper Juhl wrote in one of the lenghty discussions on lkml. Very interessting. http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=118211628209101w=2 1) This concerns draft versions, as the final version wasn't available. 2) Mr. Juhl admits there are downsides to allowing tivoization. The question really remains -- do you want your code to be able to be locked up or not? BSD is available for those that don't care if the code is locked up. GPLv3 is available for those that want the maximum level of protection against their code (or derivatives) from being locked up. There are a quite a few other Free Software licenses between those two extremes, including GPLv2. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On 23:51 Tue 17 Jul, Thufir wrote: Oh. Why was the grub documentation not understandable like that? maybe I misread it. thanks for explaining! I guess you missed it. `info grub' says (*Note chainloading) ---8---8 4.1.2 Load another boot loader to boot unsupported operating systems If you want to boot an unsupported operating system (e.g. Windows 95), chain-load a boot loader for the operating system. Normally, the boot loader is embedded in the boot sector of the partition on which the operating system is installed. 1. Set GRUB's root device to the partition by the command `rootnoverify' (*note rootnoverify::): grub rootnoverify (hd0,0) 2. Set the active flag in the partition using the command `makeactive'(1) (*note Chain-loading-Footnote-1::) (*note makeactive::): grub makeactive 3. Load the boot loader with the command `chainloader' (*note chainloader::): grub chainloader +1 `+1' indicates that GRUB should read one sector from the start of the partition. The complete description about this syntax can be found in *Note Block list syntax::. 4. Run the command `boot' (*note boot::). However, DOS and Windows have some deficiencies, so you might have to use more complicated instructions. *Note DOS/Windows::, for more information. ---8---8 Note that it's usually better to refer to the info command for more serious documentation about GNU tools in general. RMS and his guys don't exactly seem to like manpages that much that's what they have info for. They have their point, but that's another flame war ;-) Regards, Aleks pgpXZkkTQcS02.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
On Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007, Daniel da Veiga wrote: On 7/18/07, Alex Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another method, which I would use, would be to change your CFLAGS to what you would like for the new processor, but use mtune= instead of march=. This will also optimize for the cpu, but the code will run on any x86 CPU. emerge world --emptytree to re-compile everything, then switch your hardware. This will give you flexibility, at the cost of lesser optimization. Depends on how you use your system, most applications will not show a noticeable speed ddifference I guess. You could also change to march= later, when the system ist up, and re-compile everything again to get full optimization. Oh, that's good to know, I guess that's the best option, since after the system is up and running I can do whatever optimizations it needs, as long as I'm able to boot and work with it in the new hardware. Tonight I'll start the (long and boring) process of recompiling the whole stuff with -mtune instead of -march. Thanks to all that replied so far... Maybe more suggestions comming?! instead of two emerge --emptytree it would be faster to just nuke the installation -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 07:16, Dale wrote: Elias Probst wrote: Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007 23:01:12 schrieb Stroller: Hi there, I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over 3 years, ... Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your mail client. ;-) Regards, Elias P. Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the same exact time. So why are they arriving at different times? Are we sure this is him and not something else? It is weird though. Something fishy somewhere. For what it's worth I only got the one. If everyone else got multiple messages then perhaps gmail is filtering them. With regards to the OP getting twm running, that should be the default WM if Xsession is used. Does your /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc contain something like this at the bottom? # start some nice programs twm xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1 xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51 xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0 exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login What is the default shell that the user has in this OS image? That may affect how xinit is run and what it can do thereafter. Also, if you hosed you .bashrc and a shell was defined in there, then that might explain why you could see xterms launching before, but not any more. Anyway, just some loose thoughts. Perhaps you can reload the image afresh and see what happens then. HTH. -- Regards, Mick pgpK87HILkp39.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] notebook lcd resolution problem
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 15:23, Stefán István wrote: Thanks for the help, it works now! But one thing is still not clear for me: why isn't xorg able to determine the horizsync and vertrefresh rates automatically? You could try adding: Option DDCModeTrue under Section Device. However, this may be a deprecated setting, not sure what the current equivalent is. I also noticed that you have device settings for two cards with two different drivers. The nv driver complains: (WW) NV: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:10:3) found Perhaps you should look into your Device settings a bit more (I am not familiar with Nvidia or your particular hardware). On my laptop I only have one Device section (well I am lying, I have two, but the second one is set up for TV out), nevertheless, external monitors are being picked up all the same. HTH. -- Regards, Mick pgpt6PidFluub.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] nfs error: permission denied when executing a command
Hi, i have a problem with NFS. A partition mounted on machine gentoo1 is correctly exported and mounted in gentoo2 (that is, it is possible to read and write on it). However whenever i try to execute a program from gentoo2 that it is stored on the exports of gentoo1, i get the Permission denied error. What can be the cause of this? This is my /etc/exports located on gentoo1. /pippo0 gentoo1(sync,no_subtree_check,rw) /pippo1 gentoo1(sync,no_subtree_check,rw) and this is the gentoo2 /etc/fstab relevant part: gentoo1:/pippo0 /pippo0nfs rw,user,auto00 gentoo1:/pippo1 /pippo1nfs rw,user,auto00 Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance, marco -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007, Daniel da Veiga wrote: On 7/18/07, Alex Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another method, which I would use, would be to change your CFLAGS to what you would like for the new processor, but use mtune= instead of march=. This will also optimize for the cpu, but the code will run on any x86 CPU. emerge world --emptytree to re-compile everything, then switch your hardware. This will give you flexibility, at the cost of lesser optimization. Depends on how you use your system, most applications will not show a noticeable speed ddifference I guess. You could also change to march= later, when the system ist up, and re-compile everything again to get full optimization. Oh, that's good to know, I guess that's the best option, since after the system is up and running I can do whatever optimizations it needs, as long as I'm able to boot and work with it in the new hardware. Tonight I'll start the (long and boring) process of recompiling the whole stuff with -mtune instead of -march. Thanks to all that replied so far... Maybe more suggestions comming?! instead of two emerge --emptytree it would be faster to just nuke the installation I agree. Just back up /etc, make a copy of your world file and any other config files you may need and start from scratch. At least then you KNOW for sure where you started from and that something didn't get missed somewhere. Oh, don't forget /home either. Dale :-) :-) :-)
RE: [gentoo-user] [OT] English sucks (was: Re: Installation problems)
-Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Boom Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:35 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] [OT] English sucks (was: Re: Installation problems) On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:44:32 +0100, Mike Williams wrote: All a good learning process, glad you got it working. Oh and you're right, english sucks, and I'm english. Since you brought the word up, yes, there has to be a problem in a language where sucks and blows can mean the same thing. -- hendrik O.o You know, you are right. And it is true in every context except one. ^^;; In a dozen different contexts that have minimal or no scientific meaning, sucks and blows mean the same thing. :P @.@
Re: [gentoo-user] nfs error: permission denied when executing a command
Marco Calviani wrote: Hi, i have a problem with NFS. A partition mounted on machine gentoo1 is correctly exported and mounted in gentoo2 (that is, it is possible to read and write on it). However whenever i try to execute a program from gentoo2 that it is stored on the exports of gentoo1, i get the Permission denied error. What can be the cause of this? This is my /etc/exports located on gentoo1. /pippo0 gentoo1(sync,no_subtree_check,rw) /pippo1 gentoo1(sync,no_subtree_check,rw) and this is the gentoo2 /etc/fstab relevant part: gentoo1:/pippo0 /pippo0nfs rw,user,auto00 gentoo1:/pippo1 /pippo1nfs rw,user,auto00 First, obvious questions: Have you checked to make sure your PATH is set correctly, or are you giving the full path to the executable? Do you actually have the authority to run the program in question? Another gotcha could be: Are you trying to run a program that needs to be run as root? NFS won't let you do many rootly things over NFS unless you add a no_root_squash to the share options in /etc/exports. Anywho.. I hope that helps, if not solve your problem, get you on the right track.. :) Best, --Glenn -- Glenn E. Sieb MTS - Software Applications Specialist Yangtze Project, ALV +1 732 949 5453 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget System Administrator Day! July 27, 2007! http://www.sysadminday.com/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On 7/18/07, Александър Л. Димитров [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23:51 Tue 17 Jul, Thufir wrote: Oh. Why was the grub documentation not understandable like that? maybe I misread it. thanks for explaining! I guess you missed it. `info grub' says (*Note chainloading) ---8---8 4.1.2 Load another boot loader to boot unsupported operating systems If you want to boot an unsupported operating system [...] I was going by: 13.3.4 chainloader — Command: chainloader [--force] file Load file as a chain-loader. Like any other file loaded by the filesystem code, it can use the blocklist notation to grab the first sector of the current partition with `+1'. If you specify the option --force, then load file forcibly, whether it has a correct signature or not. This is required when you want to load a defective boot loader, such as SCO UnixWare 7.1 (see SCO UnixWare). http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#chainloader which is far less informative from my POV than the info message you quoted. I did refer to the manual, just the wrong one, apparently :) -Thufir
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
On 7/18/07, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: instead of two emerge --emptytree it would be faster to just nuke the installation I agree. Just back up /etc, make a copy of your world file and any other config files you may need and start from scratch. At least then you KNOW for sure where you started from and that something didn't get missed somewhere. Oh, don't forget /home either. I was just going to reply about that when you remind me I can keep the world file, and all the portage configs... Maybe I'll start from scratch then, copy the configs back and start an emerge -uDN world to get it all back, I guess this will save me some time, as I have all the tarballs from this two years at a network storage using NTFS. -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 18:49:00 Alex Schuster wrote: What I want to know is, will my software, compiled with the above settings, run in the new processor? I think this will not work well, because your current system has Athlon-specific CPU instructions which the Intel machine dows not know of. You probably get illegal instruction errors with many binaries. I even had this when I replaced my athlon-something with a just slightly less powerful Sempron CPU. Actually, I'd not be surprised if everything, or at worst a large percentage of everything, works properly. I make large use of binary packages on the production servers I run, and I recently encountered something interesting. Everything was built CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu, CFLAGS=--march=opteron, correctly on a dual Opteron. Those packages were then used to build an install on a pair of old dual P4 Xeon boxes (not the current Core Xeons), and everything worked fine (and continues to work fine). It wasn't until I came to use those packages on a P3, where there were loads of illegal instructions, which very nearly forced me to drive 45 miles to go fix it locally. All of these are headless servers though, so naturally have no X or any desktop software. However, you're going the opposite way, an old instruction set, to a new one. Basically, don't jump in to reinstalling, or rebuilding. Try it first, you might be pleasently surprised. -- Mike Williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 20:38, Daniel da Veiga wrote: On 7/18/07, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: instead of two emerge --emptytree it would be faster to just nuke the installation I agree. Just back up /etc, make a copy of your world file and any other config files you may need and start from scratch. At least then you KNOW for sure where you started from and that something didn't get missed somewhere. Oh, don't forget /home either. I was just going to reply about that when you remind me I can keep the world file, and all the portage configs... Maybe I'll start from scratch then, copy the configs back and start an emerge -uDN world to get it all back, I guess this will save me some time, as I have all the tarballs from this two years at a network storage using NTFS. You could always set your flags as you need them for the new machine and the cross compile into a chroot. Finally, tar your new chrooted fs, transfer it over to the new machine and untar. That's the theory anyway. I have not practised what I preach, but I'm sure it is described somewhere in the forums and Wiki. Good luck. -- Regards, Mick pgpbo2A6Q8suc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:37:34 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: instead of two emerge --emptytree it would be faster to just nuke the installation Except you can continue to use the machine this way. -- Neil Bothwick Do not underestimate the power of the Force. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:49:00 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: Another method, which I would use, would be to change your CFLAGS to what you would like for the new processor, but use mtune= instead of march=. This will also optimize for the cpu, but the code will run on any x86 CPU. emerge world --emptytree to re-compile everything, then switch your hardware. Recompiling everything is unnecessary, you only need to recompile those packages that are necessary to get your system booting with the new hardware. emerge -e system should do that, along with recompiling the kernel. As long as you have a working toolchain, you can then recompile anything important to you that fails to work on the new hardware before resetting the CFLAGS and doing a background emerge -e world while getting on with whatever you use the computer for. Don't forget to set PORTAGE_NICENESS in make.conf before you emerge -e world. -- Neil Bothwick Nymphomania-- an illness you hear about but never encounter. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware upgrade and Gentoo
On 7/18/07, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:49:00 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: Another method, which I would use, would be to change your CFLAGS to what you would like for the new processor, but use mtune= instead of march=. This will also optimize for the cpu, but the code will run on any x86 CPU. emerge world --emptytree to re-compile everything, then switch your hardware. Recompiling everything is unnecessary, you only need to recompile those packages that are necessary to get your system booting with the new hardware. emerge -e system should do that, along with recompiling the kernel. As long as you have a working toolchain, you can then recompile anything important to you that fails to work on the new hardware before resetting the CFLAGS and doing a background emerge -e world while getting on with whatever you use the computer for. Don't forget to set PORTAGE_NICENESS in make.conf before you emerge -e world. I have read some docs that suggest what Mike said could happen to me, because some intructions set are not compatible, along with Neil suggestion and Alex advice, I decided to recompile system with the new -mtune instead of -march tonight. I'll just see if it works by simply booting the new hardware and starting tunning. If something goes wrong, I can always go with Neil and Dale suggestion and start fresh, get /etc and /home, along with the world file, and let portage do the hard work. -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] nfs error: permission denied when executing a command
On 7/18/07, Marco Calviani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i have a problem with NFS. A partition mounted on machine gentoo1 is correctly exported and mounted in gentoo2 (that is, it is possible to read and write on it). However whenever i try to execute a program from gentoo2 that it is stored on the exports of gentoo1, i get the Permission denied error. What can be the cause of this? This is my /etc/exports located on gentoo1. /pippo0 gentoo1(sync,no_subtree_check,rw) /pippo1 gentoo1(sync,no_subtree_check,rw) and this is the gentoo2 /etc/fstab relevant part: gentoo1:/pippo0 /pippo0nfs rw,user,auto00 gentoo1:/pippo1 /pippo1nfs rw,user,auto00 man mount /user gets you (*'s added by me for easy find): user Allow an ordinary user to mount the file system. The name of the mounting user is written to mtab so that he can unmount the file system again. This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden by subsequent options, as in the option line user,exec,dev,suid) So, short answer, add exec to your mount options... HTH- James Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance, marco -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On 18 Jul 2007, at 18:40, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... Linus has said it several times that he was ok with the thing Tivo did. And Tivo is the reason for that clause in GPLv3. I've seen no evidence that he said this AFTER spending a big chunk of his own money on hardware, plugging it into his ethernet network and finding himself frustrated by an inability to copy shows recorded in his living room to the Tivo in his den. a) nobody is forced to buy a tivo. If you don't like it, don't buy it and you don't have problems. b) AFAIR Linus owns a Tivo himself. c) it is morally wrong to try to dictate HARDWARE licence problems with a SOFTWARE licence I'm always amazed at how the internet enables folks to _reply to_ discussion points without actually _answering_ them. But I gather that repeating a point three times is nearly as effective as three people in agreement each making that point once, so maybe that is your intent? a) You ignore all the comments in other posts about the ethical aspects of selling locked hardware: - end-user's ownership of the hardware they purchase; is the locking made clear at time of purchase? - anti-competitive practices. - environmental damage when obsolete locked hardware cannot be re- purposed. It must be disposed of in landfill, lead solder, mercury whatnot leaking dramatically into the water table because the firmware cannot be upgraded to one that actually works. These matters are our concern whether or not we personally buy Product_X. Only if you have never made a casual or uninformed purchase, have never found that a product you have bought does not work _quite_ as advertised will you be unable to appreciate these points. As Mr Boyd Smith Jr. points out so eloquently, it is not our responsibility to support Vendor_X's business model - if I find open- source code running on a device I have purchased I have a reasonable expectation that I should be able to modify that code (as the author intended) and run that on the same hardware I own. Hopefully new European legislation requiring manufacturers to be responsible for disposing of hardware they have sold will have some knock-on effects on hardware locking, but it's hardly a direct way of dealing with the problem. b) I never said Linus didn't own a Tivo himself. What I said was that he might see things differently were Tivotisation to _cost him personally_ time, inconvenience, frustration and expense. I can't determine in what circumstances this might actually occur, but I know I'd be shouting blue murder to the rafters if I wrote thousands of lines of code, gave them away for free for anyone to use and then some bugger sold that software back to me and prevented me from changing it when I needed to. The active part of the last sentence is when needed - we can discuss this forever on the internets, it's all nice and arty farty to talk about morals philosophies of freedom software licensing but I challenge anyone not to feel offended when those ideals have kicked you in the teeth. c) WTF!?!?!? Can you justify this statement? Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: ps -e
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:29:40 +0200, Cahn Roger wrote: Hi all, I'm with thunar and xfce. I can't bring up cdrom or cdrw when I put in a cd or dvd. I must do it with a terminal, and then I get an icone on the desktop and it works well. In contrary, the usb-key works normally and an icone appears on the desktop and I can read what is in it. In ps -e I have hald, hald-runner and hald-addon-acpi but not hald-addon-stor This last one appears after mounting a cd, dvd or key-usb. It remains even after I have cd or key removed. But it disappears after reboot. In dev I have hdc, hdd (cdrom, cdrom1, cdrw, cdrw1, dvd, dvd1) How can I get hald-addon-stor remaining in ps -e? Thanks for your help. Roger Roger, check the /etc/fstab option for your cdrom, it should have the options noauto,ro,user . Also, be sure you are on the hald and/or plugdev groups. This should fix the mounting problem, but as far for hald-addon-stor, I really don't know. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
Hi Mick, Thank you for bringing this thread back in a direction which might help me. :D On 18 Jul 2007, at 19:26, Mick wrote: ... With regards to the OP getting twm running, that should be the default WM if Xsession is used. Does your /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc contain something like this at the bottom? # start some nice programs twm xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1 xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51 xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0 exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login Yes, exactly so. I've just checked that is so and, anyway, I'm sure that file is exactly as shipped - I don't think I've changed the Xorg configuration at all since I installed Gentoo earlier this week. Since the stage is intended for use on a PS3 nothing should need doing to that or xorg.conf. :D I believe that the only changes I've made are these: $ grep ^X /etc/rc.conf XSESSION=Xsession $ grep DISPLAYMANAGER /etc/conf.d/xdm DISPLAYMANAGER=xdm What is the default shell that the user has in this OS image? Um, Bash. I can't help thinking you mean that differently, but I'm confusled how. I think the default XSESSION value in /etc/rc.conf is fluxbox. ... Also, if you hosed you .bashrc and a shell was defined in there, then that might explain why you could see xterms launching before, but not any more. Nope. The .bashrc is my standard one which is based on Gentoo's default .bashrc from c 4 years ago with $PS1 prompt colours changed, history size set to 900 commands and a few aliases added. This same .bashrc is in use on more than one headless server and I've had no cause in the past to change it to accommodate X11. I only wiped the ~/.* files _after_ the xterms stopped loading completely. I get the same behaviour copying the very same .bashrc .bash_profile back again. I'm pretty sure that I was originally getting the misbehaviour when xdm was started by init.d but getting the xterms when I logged in as myself at the framebuffer login ran `startx`; as I say, I can't reproduce this, or explain why it's no longer working. If anyone has time to change XSESSION=Xsession and log on to their machine as a new user I would be grateful to hear what results they get. I can't help wondering if this is a little-tested option and can't help hoping it's broken globally. Anyway, just some loose thoughts. Perhaps you can reload the image afresh and see what happens then. I'm tempted to do that, however I have about a dozen hours compilation on this machine - adding links, elinks, samba other essential utilities and upgrading portage. Fiddling around with make.conf /etc/portage/* and so on is more time consuming than one imagines and really I'd like to know _why_ this installation isn't working. Hosing it away is kinda cheating. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] netscape-flash masking
2007/7/16, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On July 15, 2007 03:09:41 pm »Q« wrote: I emerged netscape-flash-9.0.48.0 before it was masked. I assume that emerge got the correct tarball, else it would have been caught by the checksum checking, and because about:plugins in Firefox says File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48. I guess I'm seeking reassurance that my understanding is correct, that I have the version with the vulnerability fixed. I can't tell you if you've got the right one, but I can warn you not to un-merge it... there doesn't appear to be a replacement available just yet :-) I've uninstall netscape-flash because of a problem with files in my ~/.mozilla/plugins/ but, now it's hard masked, do I (we) have to use the media-libs/libflash instead ? thx for advice
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
snip If anyone has time to change XSESSION=Xsession and log on to their machine as a new user I would be grateful to hear what results they get. I can't help wondering if this is a little-tested option and can't help hoping it's broken globally. Did so - changed DISPLAYMANAGER=xdm and XSESSION=Xsession, and I get the same login scenario that you described - ugly (yup, that's xdm all right), proceeds to a Session Menu dialog with Load Session, Delete Session, and Default/Fail Safe as options. I select Default/Fail Safe, and I then have to place the xsm window and then an xterm window, and everything seems as I would expect from twm. A few questions: 1. Once you are logged in, if you left or right-click on the gray background, do any options come up? 2. What is the output of emerge -pv twm xsm xterm 3. Any output from revdep-rebuild -p -v? -James -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote: On 18 Jul 2007, at 18:40, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... Linus has said it several times that he was ok with the thing Tivo did. And Tivo is the reason for that clause in GPLv3. I've seen no evidence that he said this AFTER spending a big chunk of his own money on hardware, plugging it into his ethernet network and finding himself frustrated by an inability to copy shows recorded in his living room to the Tivo in his den. a) nobody is forced to buy a tivo. If you don't like it, don't buy it and you don't have problems. b) AFAIR Linus owns a Tivo himself. c) it is morally wrong to try to dictate HARDWARE licence problems with a SOFTWARE licence I'm always amazed at how the internet enables folks to _reply to_ discussion points without actually _answering_ them. But I gather that repeating a point three times is nearly as effective as three people in agreement each making that point once, so maybe that is your intent? a) You ignore all the comments in other posts about the ethical aspects of selling locked hardware: - end-user's ownership of the hardware they purchase; is the locking made clear at time of purchase? - anti-competitive practices. - environmental damage when obsolete locked hardware cannot be re- purposed. It must be disposed of in landfill, lead solder, mercury whatnot leaking dramatically into the water table because the firmware cannot be upgraded to one that actually works. if somebody buys locked hardware, it is his own freaking fault. Or could ANYBODY claim to be surprised by say Tivo? Plus, people who are discussing 'ethical' problems with locked hardware tend to forget, that there is enough hardware out there that a) needs an update once in a while but b) has to be temper proof by the user! You might want to read up about clinical equipment or FCC rules. Just for fun. Also, the new ROHS rules make pretty sure that hardware does not survive for long - and most hardware - shocking news, is recycled today because of the precious metals used in it. So no landfills, if you dispose the hardware correctly. [removed a lot of preaching] b) I never said Linus didn't own a Tivo himself. What I said was that he might see things differently were Tivotisation to _cost him personally_ time, inconvenience, frustration and expense. if that would be the case he would not have bought a Tivo... and why does a temper proof box cause you 'frustration'? I can't determine in what circumstances this might actually occur, but I know I'd be shouting blue murder to the rafters if I wrote thousands of lines of code, gave them away for free for anyone to use and then some bugger sold that software back to me and prevented me from changing it when I needed to. well, Linus lives the open source. Tivo gave back the modifications they did to the community so he is satisfied. Maybe Linus is just a little bit less self centered than others? The active part of the last sentence is when needed and when do you 'need' to hack a tivo? And why do you buy one when you need to hack it? There are other solutions where the vendor does not lock the users out from tempering - buy them instead of a Tivo and stop whining. - we can discuss this forever on the internets, it's all nice and arty farty to talk about morals philosophies of freedom software licensing but I challenge anyone not to feel offended when those ideals have kicked you in the teeth. who kicked whom? So far most of the kernel people who should be concerned with Tivo were pretty cool about it. Only the FSF and some of its fans, made a lot of noise. c) WTF!?!?!? Can you justify this statement? Stroller. yes. But why should I? Linus' did it several times and he did it a lot better than I can ever do it. Just use google. Some people need to realize that there is a fundamental difference between code and hardware. And telling someone what he can do with HIS hardware is just wrong. You don't like the terms of the hardware vendor? Fine. Don't buy it. But buying it and than complaining is just lame. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
Have you used ~/.xsession ? That's what I do for a 'custom' session. Search for xsession in the X manpage for more information on this. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 15:30 +0200, Александър Л. Димитров wrote: On 23:51 Tue 17 Jul, Thufir wrote: Oh. Why was the grub documentation not understandable like that? maybe I misread it. thanks for explaining! I guess you missed it. `info grub' says (*Note chainloading) [snip] Note that it's usually better to refer to the info command for more serious documentation about GNU tools in general. RMS and his guys don't exactly seem to like manpages that much that's what they have info for. They have their point, but that's another flame war ;-) I'm happy to leave the info vs man flamewar for someone else, but what I _don't_ like is when you have both man and info, and one of them is very deficient (in grub's case, man). The description is different, less informative, and quite misleading. Instead, is should say either nothing but refer to info pages; or it should be the same as the info pages... would anyone agree? -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au The trouble was that he was talking in philosophy, but they were listening in gibberish. -- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 17:00 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] I get a feel that you are not an average person so your impressions are not valid for them. hahaha!! If you know who this mythical average person is, let me know so we can pay her $$$ to test all of our software!! ;) -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au revolutionary, adj.: Repackaged. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On 7/19/07, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Note that it's usually better to refer to the info command for more serious documentation about GNU tools in general. RMS and his guys don't exactly seem to like manpages that much that's what they have info for. They have their point, but that's another flame war ;-) I'm happy to leave the info vs man flamewar for someone else, [...] A curious state of affairs. -Thufir, who doesn't mind a good flamewar from time to time, with discretion -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 06:48:38 pm Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote: On 18 Jul 2007, at 18:40, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: [C]ould ANYBODY claim to be surprised by say Tivo? Yes they can, since the move to DRM/TPM/etc. devices was unannounced and a change from previous generations of the hardware. There's also the fact that the code the TiVo runs *must have a signature as one of it parts* and like any GPLv2 derivative, distributors (like TiVo) must provide the full and complete source (preferred form for modification) of all the parts, which they have not. This signature requirement is implicit in the GPLv2 and explicit in the GPLv3. So was the patent license stuff. The GPLv3 is just a stronger, more well-specified GPLv2. If you don't like the GPLv3, you probably didn't *really* like the GPLv2 and might be more interested in licensing anything you contribute under something like MIT/X11/BSD. Those licenses allow others to take your code, cripple it, and sell it to you (perhaps even on a device) for $100. Oh, and offer you an upgrade to (_the same device_ running) your original code (which still has a few bugs, you might want a support contract) for $1. Plus, people who are discussing 'ethical' problems with locked hardware tend to forget, that there is enough hardware out there that a) needs an update once in a while but b) has to be temper proof by the user! You might want to read up about clinical equipment or FCC rules. Just for fun. Actually, during the GPLv3 process, both these points (FCC and medical equipment) were brought up and experts were brought in. It was determined that there is no legal requirement to make such devices tamper-proof, if upgrades are allowed at all. Equipment distributors are already protected from lawsuits (and the like) once a device is tampered with as long as they give the tamperer sufficient warning. There is no legal reason why devices must be upgradable by their distributor but not by their owner, including devices under the auspices of the FCC or medical devices. Some people need to realize that there is a fundamental difference between code and hardware. The FSF knows there's a difference between code and hardware. However, there is no difference between code on a HD and code on an EEPROM. (It's all just readable and writable bits.) There's also no difference between code on a CD and code on a ROM chip. (It's all just reabable bits.) And telling someone what he can do with HIS hardware is just wrong. You don't like the terms of the hardware vendor? Fine. Don't buy it. But buying it and than complaining is just lame. If they sell it to me it is no longer their hardware. It's MINE. That's why DRM shouldn't be allowed AT ALL, completely independent of the software distribution requirements (not hardware requirements) that the GPLv3 specifies. If TiVo was renting (really renting, not just in name like $129 lets you rent the device for 99 years) the devices, I would probably be on the other side of this discussion. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
As soon as I saw this thread I knew it was trouble. I was able to resist posting for the first couple of days - I do wish I had maintained this restraint. On 19 Jul 2007, at 00:48, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: if somebody buys locked hardware, it is his own freaking fault. Or could ANYBODY claim to be surprised by say Tivo? Apparently some people legitimately were: On 18 Jul 2007, at 17:15, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: That's because you *could* swap out the software on early TiVos. b) I never said Linus didn't own a Tivo himself. What I said was that he might see things differently were Tivotisation to _cost him personally_ time, inconvenience, frustration and expense. if that would be the case he would not have bought a Tivo... I didn't bring up Tivo, it was someone else who did so in response to me. You're clearly not grasping my point, so I'm sorry for not making it more clearly. I can't imagine you might be ignoring my point just for the sake of arguing. ;) My reference to Linus changing his mind was in reference to him hypothetically going out and with his own money buying some Product_X (not a Tivo!!) which was shipped running Linux, which didn't perform quite as he expected and which he subsequently UNEXPECTEDLY found he was unable to fix because it would only run his software if the binaries were signed with some secret cryptographic key. I imagine him crying They're using the operating system _I_ wrote to lock me out of _my own_ hardware?!?!?!? Discussing Tivos at this stage isn't conducive to constructive discussion because we're all familiar with that particular brand. My own personal experience is with an ADSL modem-router which is locked to a specific internet service provider. At the time I bought this model http://groups.google.com/group/uk.telecom.broadband/msg/ e94af4c1a93bad18 there was very little written on the internet about it being locked to the vendor's network - I guess it was perhaps just a year old and that few owners of the router would have reached the end of their 1-year minimum contract with the ISP (although they could legitimately have sold the router on within that year and used a USB ADSL modem instead). It was only having bought the device that I discovered this problem and I didn't even know it ran Linux until I subsequently started analysing its firmware (I believe the vendor may have breached the keep intact all notices part of clause 4 of the GPL, but that's aside). After I found the device worked at my friends' house using their Wanadoo username password (but not at my own house on my ISP) I searched extensively and found only a couple of references to the locking after some considerable searching. So it clearly was not my expectation that the device would be locked and it's hardly reasonable to assume I might have expected it - the practice of giving away free wireless routers with ISP contracts was far less common in the UK at the time. I'm not trying to blame Wanadoo or you or Linus or anyone for my mistake in this matter - I'm merely trying to illustrate how easily one could find oneself in possession of locked hardware running open- source code. If you retain your opinion on these matters having found yourself in such a position then I'll concede that you're a man considerably more charitable than I. My hypothetical situation of Linus personally expending time, frustration and expense is clearly a mere literary illustration. Considering that his Red Hat and VA Linux stock options bring Linus' net worth to $20 million or so and manufacturers line up to gift him dual-processor G5s it's unlikely that an £80 router is going to cause him the same dismay it would to a single mother on minimum wage who unexpectedly found herself that much out of pocket. and why does a temper proof box cause you 'frustration'? Because I'm unable to use a device I purchased in a way it might reasonably be expected to be used. The active part of the last sentence is when needed and when do you 'need' to hack a tivo? When your subscription expires? I assume that the Tivo subscription is only for the TV schedules and there are now plenty of alternative free sources for those. You might well wish to run MythTV on your set- top box - why shouldn't one do that? The user does, after all, own the hardware. And telling someone what he can do with HIS hardware is just wrong. I hope you appreciate the irony of this statement. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On 19 Jul 2007, at 01:41, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: ... If TiVo was renting ... the devices, I would probably be on the other side of this discussion. Oh, absolutely. There's entirely no reason for someone to have the right to install software on a device they don't own. But IMO on a device they do own then that right is paramount. Tivo could easily have made a business model out of renting the hardware - they could simply have adjusted the subscription to cover the cost of the unit. The reason they didn't was marketing, pure simple - to a consumer it's far more compelling to buy a device which you own for life than to consider the on-going cost of the subscription. $350 for the ownership of this great device which comes with a year's FREE subscription is far better than signing up for a $30-a-month contract with nothing to show for it at the end of a year. Perhaps Volker doesn't consider himself the kind of sucker consumer who would fall for such a ploy. I find myself unable to explain his ire at whingers who disagree with him. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] netscape-flash masking
I've uninstall netscape-flash because of a problem with files in my ~/.mozilla/plugins/ but, now it's hard masked, do I (we) have to use the media-libs/libflash instead ? thx for advice oops, my fault, There is a bug filled here : http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185141 Waiting for news there now :)
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
-Original Message- From: Stroller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:59 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? Routers: The router issue was probably missed by a number of people simply because in the states it is common for the company to either lease out a router, or sell a branded one that is just a standard router with the Yahoo or cable company logo stamped on the side. At the end of the service term it either goes back to the Company or you can keep using it for the next service. I get the impression that it is the same in Japan. YahooBB (Their branding in Japan) has an option to pay two or three hundred yen exta a month to lease a router. From what you are saying, it sounds like it is safe to assume that it is NORMALY that way in the EU countries as well. I could be wrong there. ^^;; The TiVo issue: I previously missunderstood how the TiVo functioned. I have to admit when I am wrong. I was under the impression that the unit worked through a specific network or providers that connected to the network. I have read a little more on the subject, and I have to say that there is a difference between a device designed to connect to a specific network and receive a service, and a device that is advertised as a DVR with a few addons. The DirectTV reciever boxes make a littler more sense that way, but not the standalones. I still believe that a vender has a right to present a service as they intend to use it, as long as they are completely honest with their customers and do so within the terms of any contracts they have with content and software providers. In this case that means the GPL. They were within the word of the GPL at the time. However, they were not totally honest with the way they advertised And hyped their product. :P After reading the Wikipedia article, I see that the VCR+ concept was the same thing without the requirement for network fed TV guide listings. I _THINK_ VCR+ used an encoded time stamp and channel number. :P It never caught on so well though, because it didn't have a lot of hype behind it except for the listing in the TV Guide, and it used VHS tapes instead of a digital format. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] ADSL network
Hi My box can`t link to internet , I using rp-pppoe I think it work fine, when run pppoe-start I get internet IP and the right DNS informention in /etc/resolv.conf ，but ping google.com , unknewn name, ping IP is rest why?? -- == I'm sorry for my poor english!!!
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
-Original Message- From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:42 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? If you don't like the GPLv3, you probably didn't *really* like the GPLv2 and might be more interested in licensing anything you contribute under something like MIT/X11/BSD. Those licenses allow others to take your code, cripple it, and sell it to you (perhaps even on a device) for $100. Oh, and offer you an upgrade to (_the same device_ running) your original code (which still has a few bugs, you might want a support contract) for $1. I can't agree with your statements here. Unless you have no understanding of copyright law, you should realize that YOUR code cannot be crippled regardless of the license that you put it under. The code that YOU write and release under an Open Source or Free Software license will still be available under that license even after someone else uses it in a project of their own. If you use a license that allows for relicensing or closing of the code and someone does so, then it only effects THEIR Version of the code. Yours is still intact, and unharmed. The MIT/BSD/etc licenses have the advantage that a person can if they so desire CHOOSE whether or not they wish to make THEIR code and modifications available. This is a choice. Many of us WILL release our own code even under those terms, but it is a choice to do so. I am not saying that the idea of GPL is wrong. Different developers have different desires for their code. I am simply saying that the Open Source route is just as valid as the Free Software route. As for selling it back to you. It is up to every person to take measures to educate themselves on their purchases. It is the responsibility of the vendor, license or no license to make sure that the information is available for the customer to make an educated decision. As long as both hold up their part of the deal, things go well. Both customers and merchants are just as bad about not doing their part though. Merchants sometimes lie about their products, or simply with hold the truth (which is just as bad). Customers often buy things on Impulse with no real clue what they are buying. If one party to the transaction is taking measures to hold up their side of this implied bargain, then they should be able to expect the other side to as well. Failure to do so often times ends up in the faithful party getting screwed. This happens to venders as well as customers. I will admit however, that in today's economy, it is often the vender who has the upper hand. Beyond that, always thinking in terms of worst case scenerios may be good in war time, but otherwise it will just give you ulcers. ^_^ So, like, pick your favorite license, study what you buy before you buy, and relax a bit. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] ADSL network
-Original Message- From: sain yan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:11 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] ADSL network Hi My box can`t link to internet , I using rp-pppoe I think it work fine, when run pppoe-start I get internet IP and the right DNS informention in /etc/resolv.conf ，but ping google.com , unknewn name, ping IP is rest why?? Does the network use static IP addreses or dynamic. YahooBB in Japan for instance uses DHCP. If this is the case, then you can try looking into dhcpcd. :-) z� ��(��j)b� b�
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007 23:01:12 schrieb Stroller: Hi there, I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over 3 years, ... Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your mail client. ;-) Regards, Elias P. -- A really nice number: 09:F9:11:02:9D:74:E3:5B:D8:41:56:C5:63:56:88:C0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
Elias Probst wrote: Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007 23:01:12 schrieb Stroller: Hi there, I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over 3 years, ... Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your mail client. ;-) Regards, Elias P. Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the same exact time. So why are they arriving at different times? Are we sure this is him and not something else? It is weird though. Something fishy somewhere. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
Hi! I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over 3 years, ... Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your mail client. ;-) Regards, Elias P. Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the same exact time. So why are they arriving at different times? Are we sure this is him and not something else? It is weird though. Something fishy somewhere. His mail arrived exactly once here. Patrick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
Patrick Holthaus wrote: Hi! I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over 3 years, ... Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your mail client. ;-) Regards, Elias P. Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the same exact time. So why are they arriving at different times? Are we sure this is him and not something else? It is weird though. Something fishy somewhere. His mail arrived exactly once here. Patrick Well, has anybody else had emails from the list that the messages are being bounced? I have had that twice today. Could that have anything to do with this, even though some others have got several copies of the email too. Oh, the ones from -dev was the ones being bounced not this list. This list has been doing fine, as have the rest of my email. Confused. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
Personally I'm quite happy with both GPLv2 and GPLv3. Frankly, my only real, serious concern is the fact that the two licences are incompatible. The fact compatibility has not explicitly allowed sounds plain crazy to me. This means that GPLv2-only projects won't exchange code anymore with GPLv3-only or GPLv3-and-later projects, thus splitting the ecosystem in half, with benefit for no one. When I tried asking about how to have some degree of compatibility between GPLv2 and GPLv3 in code I write, everyone told me just license it under GPLv2 or any later version. The problem is that in this case I have to blindly trust the FSF about anything that will come out of it. GPLv3 raised serious concerns to many, and I also tried to follow carefully the thing, even if at the end, for all my purposes, I find them more or less equivalent. But how can I know what GPLv4 or v5 will be? Will I still like it? Using the any later version clause puts me in the hands of FSF without chance of coming back. Not using it (and just using v2 and v3) puts me at the stake whenever GPLv4 will be out. What should I do, in your opinion? m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Mail client usage? (was: XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!)
Elias Probst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007 23:01:12 schrieb Stroller: Hi there, I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over 3 years, ... Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your mail client. ;-) I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over here on the GMane side of things. Alexander Skwar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerge hydrogen fails
...with the following last lines: (I can't find an obvious error, it just seems the ebuild dies, but maybe that's just me not having experience in c/c++ programming.) i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -c -pipe -g -w -pipe -march=athlon-xp -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DQT_SHARED -DQT_TABLET_SUPPORT -I/usr/qt/3/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I. -Isrc -I/usr/qt/3/include -o src/moc_PreferencesDialog_UI.o src/gui/UI/moc_PreferencesDialog_UI.cpp /usr/qt/3/bin/moc src/gui/UI/SongPropertiesDialog_UI.h -o src/gui/UI/moc_SongPropertiesDialog_UI.cpp i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -c -pipe -g -w -pipe -march=athlon-xp -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DQT_SHARED -DQT_TABLET_SUPPORT -I/usr/qt/3/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I. -Isrc -I/usr/qt/3/include -o src/moc_SongPropertiesDialog_UI.o src/gui/UI/moc_SongPropertiesDialog_UI.cpp i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -o hydrogen src/tinystr.o src/tinyxml.o src/tinyxmlerror.o src/tinyxmlparser.o src/AlsaMidiDriver.o src/DiskWriterDriver.o src/FakeDriver.o src/JackDriver.o src/NullDriver.o src/OssDriver.o src/TransportInfo.o src/AlsaAudioDriver.o src/MidiDriver.o src/PortMidiDriver.o src/PortAudioDriver.o src/LadspaFX.o src/SMF.o src/SMFEvent.o src/ADSR.o src/DataPath.o src/EventQueue.o src/FLACFile.o src/Hydrogen.o src/LocalFileMng.o src/Object.o src/Preferences.o src/Sample.o src/Song.o src/Button.o src/CpuLoadWidget.o src/ClickableLabel.o src/Fader.o src/LCD.o src/MidiActivityWidget.o src/Rotary.o src/InstrumentEditor.o src/WaveDisplay.o src/LayerPreview.o src/SongEditor.o src/SongEditorPanel.o src/PatternEditor.o src/PatternEditorPanel.o src/Mixer.o src/MixerLine.o src/AboutDialog.o src/AudioEngineInfoForm.o src/DrumkitManager.o src/ExportSongDialog.o src/FilePreview.o src/HelpBrowser.o src/HydrogenApp.o src/LadspaFXProperties.o src/LadspaFXSelector.o src/MainForm.o src/PatternFillDialog.o src/PatternPropertiesDialog.o src/PlayerControl.o src/PreferencesDialog.o src/SongPropertiesDialog.o src/SplashScreen.o src/main.o src/AboutDialog_UI.o src/AudioEngineInfoForm_UI.o src/DrumkitManager_UI.o src/ExportSongDialog_UI.o src/LadspaFXSelector_UI.o src/PatternFillDialog_UI.o src/PatternPropertiesDialog_UI.o src/PreferencesDialog_UI.o src/SongPropertiesDialog_UI.o src/moc_Button.o src/moc_CpuLoadWidget.o src/moc_ClickableLabel.o src/moc_Fader.o src/moc_LCD.o src/moc_MidiActivityWidget.o src/moc_Rotary.o src/moc_InstrumentEditor.o src/moc_WaveDisplay.o src/moc_LayerPreview.o src/moc_SongEditor.o src/moc_SongEditorPanel.o src/moc_PatternEditor.o src/moc_PatternEditorPanel.o src/moc_Mixer.o src/moc_MixerLine.o src/moc_AboutDialog.o src/moc_AudioEngineInfoForm.o src/moc_DrumkitManager.o src/moc_ExportSongDialog.o src/moc_FilePreview.o src/moc_HelpBrowser.o src/moc_HydrogenApp.o src/moc_LadspaFXProperties.o src/moc_LadspaFXSelector.o src/moc_MainForm.o src/moc_PatternFillDialog.o src/moc_PatternPropertiesDialog.o src/moc_PlayerControl.o src/moc_PreferencesDialog.o src/moc_SongPropertiesDialog.o src/moc_SplashScreen.o src/moc_AboutDialog_UI.o src/moc_AudioEngineInfoForm_UI.o src/moc_DrumkitManager_UI.o src/moc_ExportSongDialog_UI.o src/moc_LadspaFXSelector_UI.o src/moc_PatternFillDialog_UI.o src/moc_PatternPropertiesDialog_UI.o src/moc_PreferencesDialog_UI.o src/moc_SongPropertiesDialog_UI.o -L/usr/qt/3/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lsndfile -lFLAC++ -lFLAC -ljack -lasound -llrdf -lraptor -lxml2 -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/hydrogen-0.9.3-r2/work/hydrogen-0.9.3' !!! ERROR: media-sound/hydrogen-0.9.3-r2 failed. Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1621: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 973: Called qa_call 'src_compile' ebuild.sh, line 44: Called src_compile hydrogen-0.9.3-r2.ebuild, line 79: Called die -- My emerge --info follows: Portage 2.1.2.9 (default-linux/x86/2006.1/desktop, gcc-4.1.2, glibc-2.5-r4, 2.6.18-gentoo-r6 i686) = System uname: 2.6.18-gentoo-r6 i686 AMD Duron(tm) Gentoo Base System release 1.12.9 Timestamp of tree: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:00:10 + dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.0.31 dev-lang/python: 2.3.5-r3, 2.4.4-r4 dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5 sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.17 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.61 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10 sys-devel/binutils: 2.17 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.16 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.23b virtual/os-headers: 2.6.17-r2 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 AUTOCLEAN=yes CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-O3 -pipe -march=athlon-xp -fomit-frame-pointer -mmmx -msse -m3dnow CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/X11/xkb /usr/share/config CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/gconf /etc/java-config/vms/ /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/terminfo /etc/texmf/web2c CXXFLAGS=-O3 -pipe -march=athlon-xp
Re: [gentoo-user] Mail client usage? (was: XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!)
Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar: I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over here on the GMane side of things. I received it multiple times, too. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:16:06 -0500, Dale wrote: Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the same exact time. So why are they arriving at different times? Are we sure this is him and not something else? More importantly, they all have the same Message-ID. However, the received headers shown that the Gentoo server received each copy from a different source. Something along the line was sending multiple copies via different routes. -- Neil Bothwick Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the Borg and the Ferengi. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Multiple Messages (was: XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!)
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:16:06 -0500, Dale wrote: Well, I don't know about yours but mine says they were all sent at the same exact time. So why are they arriving at different times? Are we sure this is him and not something else? More importantly, they all have the same Message-ID. Ah, that's why I don't see the messages multiple times. I'm using Gmane and access it with a Usenet newsreader. In Usenet, it's not possible for multiple articles to have the same Message-ID. Anyway, I think it would be proper to say that this barf up was probably not caused by something the OP has done. Alexander Skwar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mail client usage? (was: XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!)
Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs: Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar: I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over here on the GMane side of things. I received it multiple times, too. New ones still arriving :-( Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Mail client usage?
Dirk Heinrichs schrieb: Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs: Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar: I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over here on the GMane side of things. I received it multiple times, too. New ones still arriving :-( Hm. Even when I use the mailinglist (ie. not the Gmane interface), I see his message only once. Strange. Alexander Skwar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Mail client usage?
Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirk Heinrichs schrieb: Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs: Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar: I'm curious - what makes you say that? Stroller sent one post to the list and one post has shown up. At least that's how it looks like over here on the GMane side of things. I received it multiple times, too. New ones still arriving :-( Hm. Even when I use the mailinglist (ie. not the Gmane interface), I see his message only once. Strange. Nevermind. I just remembered, that I have my system setup so, that it discards dupes. Sorry. Alexander Skwar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
-Original Message- From: b.n. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:29 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? Personally I'm quite happy with both GPLv2 and GPLv3. Frankly, my only real, serious concern is the fact that the two licences are incompatible. The fact compatibility has not explicitly allowed sounds plain crazy to me. When I tried asking about how to have some degree of compatibility between GPLv2 and GPLv3 in code I write, everyone told me just license it under GPLv2 or any later version. The problem is that in this case I have to blindly trust the FSF about anything that will come out of it. That honestly is the only real way to make them compatible, to use the or any later version clause. Version 3 only allows for very specific modifications to itself. Version 2 was a little more forgiving. Version 3 says Here is a list of optional clauses. There are other options, but they make it into a new license. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Thufir wrote: Oh. Why was the grub documentation not understandable like that? maybe I misread it. thanks for explaining! The grub man pages are, ahem, skimpy. IIRC it's all of three paragraphs. The full story is in the info pages, but the way they are written pretty much requires that you do go through all of it in sequence. And they are also written with the assumption that the reader understands the confines a boot loader has to work in. alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub chainloader
On Wednesday 18 July 2007 14:18, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Thufir wrote: Oh. Why was the grub documentation not understandable like that? maybe I misread it. thanks for explaining! The grub man pages are, ahem, skimpy. IIRC it's all of three paragraphs. The full story is in the info pages, but the way they are written pretty much requires that you do go through all of it in sequence. You can get everything at once and in the same place using the online docs: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html And they are also written with the assumption that the reader understands the confines a boot loader has to work in. This is still true with the online docs of course, since the docs are essentially the same. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
I read a little bit of the new license, and restrictive though it may be and also strange for a pillar of the open source community to suddenly change is directive so drastically, I am still comforted. I believe the essential beauty of this community is that we cannot be governed by software licenses alone. If we do not like the language of a license, we are by no means bound to employ it. So, if GPLv3 is as terrible as some say it is, then other people will not use it. The true judge of GPLv3's merit will be its adoption. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
On Tuesday 17 July 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: The TiVo thing was completely within the word and spirit of the GPL. It was *barely* within the word, and definitely not within the spirit of the GPL. Don't beleive me? Ask anyone at the FSF or RMS himself. They wrote the thing. TiVo did just that and got the A-OK signal and thumbs up from the FSF's lawyers. Sometime later, someone had a hissy fit, FSF reversed their stated position and suddenly Tivo becomes spawn of satan. Tivo had no option, their content providers would never have given them a license to redistribute content without the mods they did, and the shareholders would never have approved of Tivo trying to go against the content provider's conditions. So, they obeyed the rules and as a measure of thanks RMS rubs elephant shit all over their faces. It's not the software that is crippled, it's the hardware. I'm not a USian and don't own a Tivo but I imagine it's similar to tv decoder we have here locally - heavily subsidised. It's built to do one thing well - record and display TV shows. If you don't like the business model Tivo came up with, then don't use the Tivo service. After all it's a TV decoder, not a kidney dyalysis machine According to Alan Cox, the thing has a bog-standard IDe drive in it. If you remove it, stick it in a bog-standard pc and power up, it boots just fine. So, in what way have Tivo removed people's freedom as granted by the GPL? alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] XSESSION=Xsession doesn't work!
On 18 Jul 2007, at 07:03, Elias Probst wrote: Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007 23:01:12 schrieb Stroller: I'm fairly experienced with Linux and have been using Gentoo for over 3 years, ... Probably, you're not that fairly experienced regarding the usage of your mail client. ;-) With the use of Postfix. My profusest apologies. I've added lists.gentoo.org to the section of /etc/transports commented times out for no apparent reason while sending end of data. Future posts will be relayed via my ISP, whose mailservers always accept messages from me first time. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] notebook lcd resolution problem
Hello! I bought an MSI notebook with a 17 LCD display and a GeForce Go 6100 vga card. My problem is that I can start xorg only in 800x600 or less resolution, but according to the manual it should operate in 1440x900. Attached you can see my X config file and the log file. It seems to me that xorg can't detect the display correctly, but I don't know how to correct it. Thanks for the help in advance, Istvan X Window System Version 7.2.0 Release Date: 22 January 2007 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.2 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.20-gentoo-r8 x86_64 Current Operating System: Linux notebook3 2.6.20-gentoo-r8 #1 SMP Tue Jul 17 22:26:28 CEST 2007 x86_64 Build Date: 17 July 2007 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Wed Jul 18 23:05:33 2007 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (==) ServerLayout X.org Configured (**) |--Screen Screen0 (0) (**) | |--Monitor Monitor0 (**) | |--Device Card0 (**) |--Screen Screen1 (1) (**) | |--Monitor Monitor1 (**) | |--Device Card1 (**) |--Input Device Mouse0 (**) |--Input Device Keyboard0 (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/TTF/ does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/OTF does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (**) FontPath set to: /usr/share/fonts/misc/, /usr/share/fonts/Type1/, /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/ (**) RgbPath set to /usr/share/X11/rgb (**) ModulePath set to /usr/lib64/xorg/modules (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory) (II) No APM support in BIOS or kernel (II) Loader magic: 0x69c880 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.3 X.Org Video Driver: 1.1 X.Org XInput driver : 0.7 X.Org Server Extension : 0.3 X.Org Font Renderer : 0.5 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: pcidata (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules//libpcidata.so (II) Module pcidata: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 7.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.1 (++) using VT number 7 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 10de,02f3 card 1462,4324 rev a2 class 05,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:00:2: chip 10de,02fe card 1462,4324 rev a2 class 05,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:00:3: chip 10de,02f8 card 1462,4324 rev a2 class 05,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:00:4: chip 10de,02f9 card 1462,4324 rev a2 class 05,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:00:5: chip 10de,02ff card 1462,4324 rev a2 class 05,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:00:6: chip 10de,027f card 1462,4324 rev a2 class 05,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:00:7: chip 10de,027e card 1462,4324 rev a2 class 05,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:02:0: chip 10de,02fc card , rev a1 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:03:0: chip 10de,02fd card , rev a1 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:05:0: chip 10de,0247 card 1462,4324 rev a2 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:09:0: chip 10de,0270 card 1462,4324 rev a2 class 05,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:0a:0: chip 10de,0260 card 1462,4324 rev a3 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:0a:1: chip 10de,0264 card 1462,4324 rev a3 class 0c,05,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:0a:3: chip 10de,0271 card 1462,4324 rev a3 class 0b,40,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:0b:0: chip 10de,026d card 1462,4324 rev a3 class 0c,03,10 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:0b:1: chip 10de,026e card 1462,4324 rev a3 class 0c,03,20 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:0d:0: chip 10de,0265 card 1462,4324 rev a1 class 01,01,8a hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:0e:0: chip 10de,0266 card 1462,4324 rev a1 class 01,01,85 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:10:0: chip 10de,026f card , rev a2 class 06,04,01 hdr 81 (II) PCI: 00:10:1: chip 10de,026c card 1462,4314 rev a2 class 04,03,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:18:0: chip 1022,1100 card , rev 00 class 06,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:18:1: chip 1022,1101 card , rev 00 class 06,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:18:2: chip 1022,1102 card , rev 00 class 06,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:18:3: chip 1022,1103 card , rev 00 class 06,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 10ec,8168 card 1462,4324 rev 01 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 04:04:0: chip 1217,7134 card d001, rev 21 class 06,07,00 hdr 82 (II) PCI: 04:04:2: chip 1217,7120 card 1462,4324 rev 01 class 08,05,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 04:04:3: chip 1217,7130 card 1462,4324 rev 01 class 06,80,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 04:04:4: chip 1217,00f7 card 1217,00f7 rev 02 class 0c,00,10 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 04:09:0: chip 1814,0302 card 1462,b833 rev 00 class 02,80,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:2:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x0002 (VGA_EN is cleared) (II) Bus 1 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0xb000 - 0xbfff (0x1000) IX[B] (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0xf990 - 0xf99f
