[Gimp-user] Wacom weakness
Hi, (edit: maybe I send fourth time, but I have not received this email, what I have sended 3 days ago) A wacom weakness I have found: It is almost impossible to click on brush/pattern/gradient window and release to make it pop up the bush-select dialog. When I push my pen's tip once, it reacts like it was a drag, I my wacom tablet thinks I will keep it pulling pushed down. It even starts to blink when I touch it. Look at the screenshot: http://www.pvvbitech.hu/fotok/gimpWacom.png Note: It does not happen with the small dockable windows, since I altered the ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file, setting dnd-drag-threshold value to 300. I would appreciate any help. Best regards, Khiraly ps: my wacom tablet is a intuos2 signature.asc Description: Ez az =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=FCzenetr=E9sz?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_digit=E1lis?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_al=E1=EDr=E1ssal?= van =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ell=E1tva?=
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
Hi! I have few ideas to improve the poor 2.1 fileselector. (yes, its me who came up already with one alternative) Which is the apropriate forum where can I write this ideas? Or its decided to not change? Best regards, Khiraly signature.asc Description: Ez az =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=FCzenetr=E9sz?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_digit=E1lis?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_al=E1=EDr=E1ssal?= van =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ell=E1tva?=
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
Geoffrey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Carol Spears wrote: > >On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:28:55PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: > > > >>You have yet to explain what is so bad to design a file selector so that > >>Luis' mother can use it. I think this is a great goal (although the GTK+ > >>developers did overshot a bit, hampering the usability for > >>computer-savvy people). And since GUI design and usability is not a pure > >>"technical" topic the illustrative answer "it was designed so that my > >>mother can use" is a perfectly valid answer. There very well might be no > >>answer that suits your implied "technical" request. > >> > > > >http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/basics/gui/fileselector/index.html > >http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/basics/gui/fileselector/console.html > > After reviewing the change, I agree it is for the worse. I was quite > pleased when I stumbled on the tab completion in the GIMP. I much > prefer the older flavor which includes the tab completion as well as the > drop down directory selection. Please note that I did not ask carol for the reasons why the new GTK+-Filechooser has deficiencies. I'd guess that we would come to the same conclusion very quick. I too see the need to improve the GtkFilechooser and I am not happy with the current state. If you read my question on top of the mail again you'll notice that I did not ask what is bad about the fileselector, I asked what would be bad with a fileselector that Luis Mother can use. I firmly believe that making the FileChooser accessible to people with few computing experience (lets say my grandmother, Luis Mother or whatever, pick your favourite person) is a good goal to have in mind. Implicitely you raise two questions: 1) What are the reasons for the way the (new) GtkFilechooser is designed? 2) Why did GIMP switch from GtkFileSelector (old) to GtkFilechooser (new) despite the deficiencies in the Filechooser? I cannot really comment on question 1, since this is in the responsibility of the GTK+-Team. There is (was? AFAIK it used to live on http://www.gnome.org/~seth/filechooser-spec/ ) a document online that discusses the reasoning behind the design. For question 2 the person to ask probably is Sven or Mitch. From what I understood the old Fileselector had quite a number of technical problems. It was hard to extend with the stuff Gimp needs. Things like the Thumbnail preview had to be embedded in a very hackish way, making it very sensitive against changes in future versions of GTK+. Plus it is foreseeable that the Fileselector will become deprecated at some point. The Gimp always has been an early adopter of new GTK+ features and since the FileChooser is a step in the right direction it was only logical to use it and it should be our goal to help the GTK+ developers to overcome the current problems in the FileChooser. However, this needs cooperation with the GTK+ developers. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
Carol Spears wrote: On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:28:55PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: You have yet to explain what is so bad to design a file selector so that Luis' mother can use it. I think this is a great goal (although the GTK+ developers did overshot a bit, hampering the usability for computer-savvy people). And since GUI design and usability is not a pure "technical" topic the illustrative answer "it was designed so that my mother can use" is a perfectly valid answer. There very well might be no answer that suits your implied "technical" request. http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/basics/gui/fileselector/index.html http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/basics/gui/fileselector/console.html After reviewing the change, I agree it is for the worse. I was quite pleased when I stumbled on the tab completion in the GIMP. I much prefer the older flavor which includes the tab completion as well as the drop down directory selection. -- Until later, Geoffrey Registered Linux User #108567 AT&T Certified UNIX System Programmer - 1995 ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
Simon Budig wrote: Hi Carol. Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] i really am responsible to a whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a developer meeting in which i was told by luis, representing ximian, that the changes were made for his mom. for shame. I start to regret to have supported your attendance to Guadec. The fuzz you make about this obviously casual and illustrative remark by Luis is annoying and does not at all help with the necessary improvements to the file selector. In fact it even is counterproductive. Very much so. I would counter that Luis' answer was neither casual nor illustrative. A question was asked and either a insulting inaccurate answer was provide, or worse, a poor change in the toolkit was made for entirely the wrong reason. And you'd do yourself and your credibility a favor if you'd treat personal emails with respect and not publish them on mailinglists. I would agree to some extent, although as a long time user of GIMP, I think this list deserves to know the reason for the change. I've not seen it pass the list as of yet. -- Until later, Geoffrey Registered Linux User #108567 AT&T Certified UNIX System Programmer - 1995 ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp tool kit
Carol Spears wrote: hi, dunno if this is all that interesting to the people interesting in using the gimp. i do know that i got to go to a developers meeting due to the interest and donations of a lot of interested parties and i am so so honored to be allowed to represent such a smart and decent group of human beings. miguel i think is in charge of ximian who is making changes to the gimptool kit that are, well, even the reason they give is fairly idiotic. they gave me an idiotic reason and then started to be rude to me and give me a real disrespectful runaround which has now ended up here; on this list where probably many of the contributors to my trip to the developers meeting are. I personally feel Miguel owes you and the GIMP community a reasonable explanation of the reason for these changes. since miguel is too busy and not involved to tell me who he is, i have googled around and come up with an introduction to the man behind the men who are making the decisions about what the gimp tool kit widgets do and why: here is miguel sucking up at a microsoft thing: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2003/07/10/photos1.html?page=14 I find this a bit disturbing. I've always had concerns regarding Mono, now wonder if Miguel's true purpose of Mono. I've never thought it was a very good idea to build something based on a Microsoft technology. sorry he did not have time to return the "who are you" request i made several weeks ago, however the web presence i was able to find is probably certainly more entertaining. To be sure. :) miguel is quite famous in the linux world, btw. there is a big article (and important as well, in my world at least) entitled "Sellout or Savior" http://www.technologyreview.com//articles/04/09/freedman0904.asp An article worth the read. -- Until later, Geoffrey Registered Linux User #108567 AT&T Certified UNIX System Programmer - 1995 ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:28:55PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: > > You have yet to explain what is so bad to design a file selector so that > Luis' mother can use it. I think this is a great goal (although the GTK+ > developers did overshot a bit, hampering the usability for > computer-savvy people). And since GUI design and usability is not a pure > "technical" topic the illustrative answer "it was designed so that my > mother can use" is a perfectly valid answer. There very well might be no > answer that suits your implied "technical" request. > http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/basics/gui/fileselector/index.html http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/basics/gui/fileselector/console.html carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
Hi, Simon Budig wrote: > Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: > > > I start to regret to have supported your attendance to Guadec. > > you were the decision maker i take it? > > I was one of many people who wanted to meet you at Guadec. That doesn't > mean that I made the decision to fund you but I think it helped. I guess since I was the one handing out the money, I was the decision maker on this. I did ask around, and while one or two people asked "why?" when I asked them whether Carol should go, there were several people who were positive on the idea, including Simon. > > did anyone ever tell you that changes were made to a community project > > to suit someones mothers needs? if so, how did you handle it. an > > example of how to deal with such a thing needs to be given i guess > > instead of idle reprimands. Getting something to the stage "where my grandmother would use it" is a proverbial way of describing making technology accessible to a larger public. I am sure this was the sense in which Luis was talking when he said he wanted something his mother could use. That is not the reason things are simplified, but it is a soundbite describing the general goal of opening things up to a larger public. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: > > Hi Carol. > > > > Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > [...] i really am responsible to a > > > whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a > > > developer meeting in which i was told by luis, representing ximian, that > > > the changes were made for his mom. for shame. > > > > I start to regret to have supported your attendance to Guadec. > > > you were the decision maker i take it? I was one of many people who wanted to meet you at Guadec. That doesn't mean that I made the decision to fund you but I think it helped. > did anyone ever tell you that changes were made to a community project > to suit someones mothers needs? if so, how did you handle it. an > example of how to deal with such a thing needs to be given i guess > instead of idle reprimands. Changes to a community project get made to suit quite a lot of people. This includes mothers. Personally I have made changes to the GIMP to suit some of my friends. So what? > i have never asked for or needed your support simon. thank you if i > received some ever. > > i still thank you for your contributions but your opinion of my > frustration is unasked for and out of place. Want some proof that I did support you for a fairly long time? I could dig in my mail archive should you need some. I obviously do not think that my opinion is out of place - otherwise I wouldn't have written this mail. Your way to deal with your frustration at the expenses of a bunch of other people is - as I said - counterproductive for the GIMP and that directly makes me involved. > simon, did gimp donations pay for your attendance? Yes, a part of my expenses got covered. > > The fuzz you make about this obviously casual and illustrative remark by > > Luis is annoying and does not at all help with the necessary > > improvements to the file selector. In fact it even is counterproductive. > > Very much so. > > i was not involved in a casual conversation. i asked a direct question > and i am more than capable of understanding a technical answer. one was > not provided. You have yet to explain what is so bad to design a file selector so that Luis' mother can use it. I think this is a great goal (although the GTK+ developers did overshot a bit, hampering the usability for computer-savvy people). And since GUI design and usability is not a pure "technical" topic the illustrative answer "it was designed so that my mother can use" is a perfectly valid answer. There very well might be no answer that suits your implied "technical" request. [...] > i am trying to get my trip to this conference to mean something or be > compensated for. > > and i dont really care much beyond that. So this is it? You feel awkward about having been funded to be able to attend to Guadec? You feel that you have to do something to justificate this? Guess what? You did this already although it *pre*dates the Guadec. > do you respect donations made to promote the development of gimp? If respecting donations means "pissing off the people we (as in 'the GIMP project') want to cooperate with in the future as well" then no. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: > Hi Carol. > > Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > [...] i really am responsible to a > > whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a > > developer meeting in which i was told by luis, representing ximian, that > > the changes were made for his mom. for shame. > > I start to regret to have supported your attendance to Guadec. > you were the decision maker i take it? did anyone ever tell you that changes were made to a community project to suit someones mothers needs? if so, how did you handle it. an example of how to deal with such a thing needs to be given i guess instead of idle reprimands. i have never asked for or needed your support simon. thank you if i received some ever. i still thank you for your contributions but your opinion of my frustration is unasked for and out of place. simon, did gimp donations pay for your attendance? > The fuzz you make about this obviously casual and illustrative remark by > Luis is annoying and does not at all help with the necessary > improvements to the file selector. In fact it even is counterproductive. > Very much so. > i was not involved in a casual conversation. i asked a direct question and i am more than capable of understanding a technical answer. one was not provided. > And you'd do yourself and your credibility a favor if you'd treat > personal emails with respect and not publish them on mailinglists. > well, miguel is the one who accused me of wanting dates. please review the personal portions of the emails and direct your accusations there. i am trying to get my trip to this conference to mean something or be compensated for. and i dont really care much beyond that. do you respect donations made to promote the development of gimp? carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
Manish Singh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > And you'd do yourself and your credibility a favor if you'd treat > > personal emails with respect and not publish them on mailinglists. > > Actually, they are public emails, but miguel is not subscribed to this > list so they are trapped in the moderation queue by the mailman filter. Oh, could not see this. Sorry Carol for this wrong assessment. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: > And you'd do yourself and your credibility a favor if you'd treat > personal emails with respect and not publish them on mailinglists. Actually, they are public emails, but miguel is not subscribed to this list so they are trapped in the moderation queue by the mailman filter. Miguel, I recommend you resend your postings. -Yosh ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] preview for scale, rotate, shear and perspective
Yemu schrieb: hi! is it possible to have a preview of layer during scaling, rotating etc instead of the grid? it would be a lot better to have such option for example a button on the window with scaling (or rotating, or..) options. The current development version already has previews for the transform tools, see http://gimpforum.de/album_page.php?pic_id=116 (the units menu is unrelated, the screen shot was created or a different purpose). HTH, Michael -- The GIMP > http://www.gimp.org| IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki > http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Sodipodi > http://sodipodi.sf.net | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/sodipodi ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] preview for scale, rotate, shear and perspective
hi! is it possible to have a preview of layer during scaling, rotating etc instead of the grid? it would be a lot better to have such option for example a button on the window with scaling (or rotating, or..) options. best regards yemu ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
Hi Carol. Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > [...] i really am responsible to a > whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a > developer meeting in which i was told by luis, representing ximian, that > the changes were made for his mom. for shame. I start to regret to have supported your attendance to Guadec. The fuzz you make about this obviously casual and illustrative remark by Luis is annoying and does not at all help with the necessary improvements to the file selector. In fact it even is counterproductive. Very much so. And you'd do yourself and your credibility a favor if you'd treat personal emails with respect and not publish them on mailinglists. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:52:44PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Carol, > >My guess is that Luis was trying to be polite to you, but I already > explained to you on the previous mail who was responsible for the > changes to the selector, and where ultimately does the responsibility > lie. > it was a meeting of developers. i can only assume that this was an answer tailored for a developer situation. >In this new e-mail of yours, you ignore the explanation, and instead > decide to take up your issues again Luis (again). > i went through those channels already. >It is pointless to keep hammering on Luis, you have to take that > problem to the Gimp maintainers. > there is the issue of the cost of the flight to get me to luis to receive this answer. there is the point that i am a volunteer who has been being given a run around with some really terrible answers by a group of people called Ximian. >I do not like you, because you are rude (see the archived mail) and > you are paranoid (see the archived mail). > if i were paranoid, i would not have helped you with the emails. i am not paranoid, i think i know completely what is going on here. there is an Ximian footprint on some questionable changes on software being developed for a free software community and a certain amount of respect should be shown to the volunteers. i am not paranoid. i know what i have done and why i did it and who i represent. >Like I said before, if you dislike all contributions from > Ximian/Novell, then fork the toolkit. The maintainers to Gtk+ do not > seem to mind (or they would have rejected our contributions). > okay, back to this. should i name my fork the ximian tool kit? i have been maintaining a gimp.org website. i traveled to a developers meeting to represent gimp. i have a gimp.org mail address. can you help me with what i should name my fork of the "gimp tool kit"? i asked nicely before for help with this. i ask nicely again. (btw, i am not in this to make friends with you. please avoid personal attacks when dealing with volunteers) > > 6) when you ask someone who they are and they politely answer back, it > >is just plain good manners to respectfully do the same and politely > >explain who you are back. you had your chance, you decided not to. > >You are the first person in years that asks for introductions to have > a debate, I am not interested in Internet dating with you. > you asked me who i was. i respectfully answered. i have been involved with gimp since 1998 yet still i found your question "who are you" to be fair and answered it. this politeness has been answered back with you accusing me of wanting dates? i am going to be 42 years old this year and i would be embarrassed to date you for ohsomany reasons. thanks anyway. do you think that all female volunteers just are there because they want to date you? besides, since i had to learn about you myself, i guess i see that probably you already date nat. > > either Ximian has a bad way with volunteers or with female volunteers in > > particular. no matter what, as far as i know from the what those people > > on this list told me -- stupid changes has been made to the gimp toolkit > > because luis mom is too stupid to use her computer. > > You are obnoxious, I have no problems with normal people. > this is the reason that an ximian employee gave to me at a developers conference. no, i was not "hitting on him". i was asking questions about developer decisions. so far, luis mom is the only solid reason i get for the changes and this bad reasoning still has yet to be addressed. > > after that, explain the reason Ximian is unwilling to put their own name > > on this software they "help" so much. > > We do not do that, because we consume the upstream version of Gtk+. If > you have a problem with the way Gtk+ is maintained, take your problem to > the Gtk+ maintainers. > i did. i was sent to luis. luis told me it was all about his mom. now i talk to you. you accuse me of wanting to date you. > > miguel, question. do all the Ximian employees treat volunteers and > > volunteer funding the way i was treated? you are in charge of them? if > > not, who is? > > Only rude and obnoxious ones like you. > frustrated volunteer. being frustrated by an answer like "so the computer is simple for my mom" leads to me being obnoxious. i really have the interests of the people who contributed to my flight and such to get me to the developer meeting in mind. forgive me, it is a big job -- representing volunteers and trying to keep a handle on what is being developed and the reasons for it. we still have only luis mom to blame for this new file selector and a list of people you provided that i already have tried to deal with. and now you. what about you do you think i want to be an internet date with, btw? > > what you will find there is a person wondering why this company changes > > free softw
[Gimp-user] gimp tool kit
hi, dunno if this is all that interesting to the people interesting in using the gimp. i do know that i got to go to a developers meeting due to the interest and donations of a lot of interested parties and i am so so honored to be allowed to represent such a smart and decent group of human beings. miguel i think is in charge of ximian who is making changes to the gimptool kit that are, well, even the reason they give is fairly idiotic. they gave me an idiotic reason and then started to be rude to me and give me a real disrespectful runaround which has now ended up here; on this list where probably many of the contributors to my trip to the developers meeting are. since miguel is too busy and not involved to tell me who he is, i have googled around and come up with an introduction to the man behind the men who are making the decisions about what the gimp tool kit widgets do and why: here is miguel sucking up at a microsoft thing: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2003/07/10/photos1.html?page=14 here is nat (miguels partner at ximian) making plans for a party: http://assbarn.com/party/ (i have no problem with the gay community; and actually have been accused of being a lesbian several times throughout my life for the simple fact that i do not like to have michigan men to work on my car) and here is a photo of the two people who started this company that now makes decisions about the direction the widgets are taking: http://despicable.org/random/natmig.jpg sorry he did not have time to return the "who are you" request i made several weeks ago, however the web presence i was able to find is probably certainly more entertaining. miguel is quite famous in the linux world, btw. there is a big article (and important as well, in my world at least) entitled "Sellout or Savior" http://www.technologyreview.com//articles/04/09/freedman0904.asp they have been giving me a run around since before guadec about the reasons for some really poorly thoughtout changes to the gimp tool kit, combined with the suggestion (to [EMAIL PROTECTED], owner of carol.gimp.org) that i should fork the gimp tool kit if i did not like these changes. i am sorry i am unable to make these people respect the contributions of all of the volunteers, who either contributed time or code or help on this list or even good thoughts about gimp and the free software process. hopefully, the people involved will reassess their approach to very successful free software applications and adjust their behavior accordingly. tis fun though, when they decide that you are of no consequence to them to stoop to answer such a question as, who are you? i get to find out myself. this group is being run by some interesting people who perhaps do not have the best interests of the free software community in mind. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
1) i went to a "developers conference". my trip to this conference was funded by a foundation and therefore the donations of people who are interested in gimp and gimp tool kit development. 2) several people on the list of people who are responsible for these changes pointed me to luis. 3) when i spoke to luis he explained to me that the changes were made for his mother. being a developer meeting and being the person i was instructed by to talk to, i have no other choice than to believe what he said. 4) after the conference, luis was unavailable. 5) if luis told the truth, it is time for Ximian to get their hands out of development of gtk. if luis did not tell the truth, someone at Ximian owes me, the people who donated to gimp and the gnome foundation an apology. 6) when you ask someone who they are and they politely answer back, it is just plain good manners to respectfully do the same and politely explain who you are back. you had your chance, you decided not to. 7) then miguel suggested that gimp fork the gimp tool kit. either Ximian has a bad way with volunteers or with female volunteers in particular. no matter what, as far as i know from the what those people on this list told me -- stupid changes has been made to the gimp toolkit because luis mom is too stupid to use her computer. please fix this. and suggest again to me what to name the gimp fork of the gimp tool kit. after that, explain the reason Ximian is unwilling to put their own name on this software they "help" so much. miguel, question. do all the Ximian employees treat volunteers and volunteer funding the way i was treated? you are in charge of them? if not, who is? what you will find there is a person wondering why this company changes free software to suit a mother and not the needs of the community. a lot of people contributed to get me there. Ximian has been fairly disrespectful about this. perhaps you can address that. thanks for the time you suddenly have to deal with luis answer, and thank you for pointing out that i have gone through the right channels and now i am dealing with you. have you sent an apology to tim ney yet? or is your whole group still standing behind luis reason for the changes? carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.1.4 Development Release
Hi, a new development snapshot of GIMP 2.1 is now available from ftp.gimp.org and it's mirrors: http://gimp.org/downloads/#mirrors This is an unstable development release. It certainly has bugs and there are a number of unfinished hacks. We are nevertheless interested in your feedback and would like you to file bug reports for crashes and non-obvious problems. Please note that you cannot install gimp-2.1 side-by-side with gimp-2.0 into the same prefix. A number of files will clash, so please use a separate prefix to install this development version! For details, please read the file INSTALL. Here's an overview of the changes since 2.1.3 was released: - Rewritten internal handling of progress indicators. Embed progress bars to the File Open dialog to reduce annoying dialogs popping up. - Added an API for plug-ins to embed a progress bar. Let the Script-Fu dialog swallow the progress bars created by running the script. - Ported remaining plug-ins and modules to GimpPreviewArea and removed GimpOldPreview. - Show progress while converting from RGB to Indexed Colors. - Added new plug-ins Cartoon, Neon, Photocopy and Softglow. - Let color selectors adapt to the given size. - Import basic SVG shapes as paths. - Improved GIH and guillotine plug-ins. - Added GimpMessageBox widget. Collect error messages in a single dialog to reduce popups. - Renamed the core GimpPreview widget to GimpView. - Added a GimpPreview widget to libgimpwidgets. This is an abstract class that combines a GimpPreviewArea with scrollbars and a "Preview" toggle button. - Added GimpDrawablePreview derived from GimpPreview. - Improved previews in Unsharp Mask, Scatter RGB, Sharpen, Spread and Grid plug-ins. - Added previews to Edge, Gaussian Blur, Neon, Soft Glow, Sobel and Selective Gaussian Blur. - Added a logarithmic mode for the slider in a GimpScaleEntry. - Script-Fu code cleanups. - Fixed composite assembly code. - Pass user settings for the checkerboard to plug-ins. - Image comment, if any, is now shown within the info window. - New function "Fit Canvas to Layers" (gimp_image_resize_to_layers) Contributors: Michael Natterer, Sven Neumann, David Odin, Shlomi Fish, Bill Skaggs, Simon Budig, Ari Pollak, Spencer Kimball, Michael Schumacher, Joao S. O. Bueno, Manish Singh, Helvetix Victorinox, Kevin Cozens Happy GIMPing ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
