Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
Kent Tong wrote: Disadvantage of GIMP - Text tool It is limited. But there are a few enhancements planned for the next release (ex. letter spacing). -- Can't display Chinese in the GIMP Text Editor Not true for Japanese, so I'm sure this applies to Chinese. See http://epierce.freeshell.org/misc/gimp_japanese.png -- Can't control indivitual text format in the same Text. (The format applies to the whole text) True. -- Compare to PhotoShop, creating text effect is difficult. Photoshop built in text effects. GIMP can only use the filter or script-fu to create effect. True. There are no dynamic text effects. -- Compare to PhotoShop, text effect will still be apply even the Text is changed. But you need to do everything again if you text need to be changed. True. -- Can't display Chinese font in the font selection list. Not true for Japanese, so I'm sure this applies to Chinese. See http://epierce.freeshell.org/misc/gimp_japanese_font.png - Layers control -- Can't display Chinese in the Layer. Not true for Japanese, so I'm sure this applies to Chinese. See http://epierce.freeshell.org/misc/gimp_japanese.png -- Compare to PhotoShop, managing the layers is not that easy. You can define layers to groups in Photoshop. You can even target an action to a group. No group idea in GIMP. Not sure about this one. Make sure you're running within a Chinese language environment. Assuming you're running Linux, from the command line type: env|grep LANG On my system, it outputs: LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 (running Japanese in UTF-8) To list which Chinese languages are available, try: locale -a|grep ^zh I get... zh_CN zh_CN.gb18030 zh_CN.gbk zh_CN.utf8 zh_HK zh_HK.utf8 zh_SG zh_SG.gbk zh_SG.utf8 zh_TW zh_TW.euctw zh_TW.utf8 I don't know which one you need, but try running the Gimp with something like: export LANG=zh_CN.utf8 gimp Now my Gimp interface looks like this: http://epierce.freeshell.org/misc/gimp_chinese.png I don't know how to input Chinese, so I can't show you any screenshots for that, but I think you're best bet is to pick Chinese as your default language when installing Linux (assuming you're running Linux of course). Not sure how it would work for Windows. Hope that helps. Eric P. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
Most of the things you are saying is true. I am not sure though about the support for Chinese fonts. I don't have any problems using Chinese in the text tool or other text entires... What I am missing from Gimp is the Photoshop-like layer effects and the Adjustment layer. These would be more useful additions than the text effects you mentioned. When done right, there wouldn't be a big diference between the effects or effect layers. Michael -- +++ Neu: Echte DSL-Flatrates von GMX - Surfen ohne Limits +++ Always online ab 4,99 Euro/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 00:41 -0400, j Mak wrote: Handling layers in Gimp is as easy as in Photoshop. You can group them I wasn't aware of this grouping ability. Can you please tell me how I would group a bunch of layers? Thanks, -Gezim ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
Thanks for all who have replied. Yes, the Chinese problem is bogus. It works as long as the LANG env variable is set. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] ignore (testing)
Ha Ha (made you look). ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
Kent Tong wrote: Hi, We're an organization promoting open source in Macau. We're considering whether to organize some training courses on GIMP or not. Before that, we'd like to evaluate how powerful GIMP is when compared to Photoshop. We're not insisting that it must be as powerful as Photoshop. We just need a clear idea on its power. As I'm not a graphics guy, I've got a colleague to do some initial evaluation. As my colleague has a strong photoshop background but is just getting started with GIMP, I'd like to have the confirmation from someone like you with strong GIMP experience. So, would you please comment on my colleague's finding below? Thanks in advance! Disadvantage of GIMP - Text tool -- Can't display Chinese in the GIMP Text Editor -- Can't control indivitual text format in the same Text. (The format applies to the whole text) -- Compare to PhotoShop, creating text effect is difficult. Photoshop built in text effects. GIMP can only use the filter or script-fu to create effect. -- Compare to PhotoShop, text effect will still be apply even the Text is changed. But you need to do everything again if you text need to be changed. -- Can't display Chinese font in the font selection list. - Layers control -- Can't display Chinese in the Layer. -- Compare to PhotoShop, managing the layers is not that easy. You can define layers to groups in Photoshop. You can even target an action to a group. No group idea in GIMP. On another list, this same issue was raised. I was expecting allot of major differences but it seems to be quite small. They may be major to some people but for most people they will be minor or no issue. I have never used Photoshop so I cannot comment. -- Robin Laing ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
I've been using Photoshop for a bunch of years and only recently used GIMP a few times at work. Having access to Photoshop and being comfortable with it, I have no reason to use GIMP. The times I have used it, I was a bit annoyed by the interface... how there is no main window that contains everything. As well, some of the organization of menus seemed odd. Of course the interface is a personal thing, and it takes getting used to the change. For my work specifically, I wished GIMP would offer more control over palettes in Indexed images. More control over chunks in PNG files. But these are specific things that I need in my work. Photoshop lacks in some areas too, that's why in the end I use up to 10 different graphics applications and utilities at work. In terms of editing, layers, and effects... nothing beats Photoshop in my books. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kent Tong Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:11 PM To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop Hi, We're an organization promoting open source in Macau. We're considering whether to organize some training courses on GIMP or not. Before that, we'd like to evaluate how powerful GIMP is when compared to Photoshop. We're not insisting that it must be as powerful as Photoshop. We just need a clear idea on its power. As I'm not a graphics guy, I've got a colleague to do some initial evaluation. As my colleague has a strong photoshop background but is just getting started with GIMP, I'd like to have the confirmation from someone like you with strong GIMP experience. So, would you please comment on my colleague's finding below? Thanks in advance! Disadvantage of GIMP - Text tool -- Can't display Chinese in the GIMP Text Editor -- Can't control indivitual text format in the same Text. (The format applies to the whole text) -- Compare to PhotoShop, creating text effect is difficult. Photoshop built in text effects. GIMP can only use the filter or script-fu to create effect. -- Compare to PhotoShop, text effect will still be apply even the Text is changed. But you need to do everything again if you text need to be changed. -- Can't display Chinese font in the font selection list. - Layers control -- Can't display Chinese in the Layer. -- Compare to PhotoShop, managing the layers is not that easy. You can define layers to groups in Photoshop. You can even target an action to a group. No group idea in GIMP. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
Gezim Hoxha wrote: On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 00:41 -0400, j Mak wrote: Handling layers in Gimp is as easy as in Photoshop. You can group them I wasn't aware of this grouping ability. Can you please tell me how I would group a bunch of layers? Thanks, -Gezim I think he means you can group them with respect to move and transform tools, using the chain or link icon between the eye icon and the layer thumbnail in the layers window. Sincerely, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] PS and GIMP
Let me, as one who has never used Photoshop and am at best a very limited user of the GIMP offer one item unmentioned so far. I am helping a friend build a web site. We needed to make three small graphics. On his Windows box we went to gimp.org, downloaded and installed, and in about 5 minutes had our graphics. Though I use GIMP on Linux, the interface was close enough that I could fire it up and go. We didn't trek to a store, pay $500 and then have a tool he would never use again that doubled the cost of his PC. That goes without saying, you might say? Oh yeah, ask Gary which tool he prefers! And I am not opposed to paying for software, and would gladly purchase the GIMP if available (in fact, I still have my CD I bought 6 years ago.) Thanks- Jim Clark
RE: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
--- Kalle Ounapuu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Photoshop for a bunch of years and only recently used GIMP a few times at work. Having access to Photoshop and being comfortable with it, I have no reason to use GIMP. The times I have used it, I was a bit annoyed by the interface... how there is no main window that contains everything. As well, some of the organization of menus seemed odd. I also use both Photoshop and Gimp and agree that Potoshop is more user friendly. The lack of a main window in Gimp seems to be a major irritation for new users. That you see all the icons and open windows behind your canvas could be annoying. I've never understood myself why developers haven't designed a main window for Gimp yet. As far as I know Gimp is the only app that uses this non-standard interface. Are you aware that Gimpshop, now uses Photoshop-like menu structure? The time when I choose Gimp over Photoshop is when I create special effects and textures. Here Gimp clearly bits Photoshop. Especially when you combine the filter effects with Script-fu. Of course, you can always buy extra filters for Photoshop but here I am comparing the default settings. More control over chunks in PNG files. What's your problem with Gimp's png output. In terms of editing, layers, and effects... nothing beats Photoshop. I agree. jozsefmak -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kent Tong Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:11 PM To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop Hi, We're an organization promoting open source in Macau. We're considering whether to organize some training courses on GIMP or not. Before that, we'd like to evaluate how powerful GIMP is when compared to Photoshop. We're not insisting that it must be as powerful as Photoshop. We just need a clear idea on its power. As I'm not a graphics guy, I've got a colleague to do some initial evaluation. As my colleague has a strong photoshop background but is just getting started with GIMP, I'd like to have the confirmation from someone like you with strong GIMP experience. So, would you please comment on my colleague's finding below? Thanks in advance! Disadvantage of GIMP - Text tool -- Can't display Chinese in the GIMP Text Editor -- Can't control indivitual text format in the same Text. (The format applies to the whole text) -- Compare to PhotoShop, creating text effect is difficult. Photoshop built in text effects. GIMP can only use the filter or script-fu to create effect. -- Compare to PhotoShop, text effect will still be apply even the Text is changed. But you need to do everything again if you text need to be changed. -- Can't display Chinese font in the font selection list. - Layers control -- Can't display Chinese in the Layer. -- Compare to PhotoShop, managing the layers is not that easy. You can define layers to groups in Photoshop. You can even target an action to a group. No group idea in GIMP. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 09:28:48AM +, Kent Tong wrote: Thanks for all who have replied. Yes, the Chinese problem is bogus. It works as long as the LANG env variable is set. it is interesting that the one time i saw anyone use this photoshop layers effect stuff, i was able to get TheGIMP to produce the same image in less than twenty minutes. that was using a little knowledge of computer graphics (most of which i learned by working with TheGIMP). it gets difficult to take the people who absolutely NEED this effects thing. it makes it look like the biggest mistake that gimp made was not to produce intellectually imbred and disfunctional people. these people grew up in all sorts of places and came from many different kinds of humans. the one thing that causes them to be imbred like this is those layers effects. it must be the crack that Adobe sells to them. enjoy TheGIMP, i think that even a Chinease person can learn how to make TheGIMP do the same thing. one extremely unintelligent and rude american (me) was able to. thanks, carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Calling GIMP from external program.
Hi It is possible to call GIMP, GIMP's tools, scripts, from an external program ? Is there some kind of API to do that ? Excuse my english... Inpromptu ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
The time when I choose Gimp over Photoshop is when I create special effects and textures. Here Gimp clearly bits Photoshop. Especially when you combine the filter effects with Script-fu. Of course, you can always buy extra filters for Photoshop but here I am comparing the default settings. Yea I can appreciate the powering of scripting. GIMP is definately more accessible to developers and customization as well. In Photoshop, I hardly ever use filters. Layer styles give me almost everything I need... for my applications. What's your problem with Gimp's png output. Well I work on images for cellphone games (PNG's), and there is a lot of attention paid towards PNG chunks, transparency, filesize, etc. In terms of modifying the actual PNG data chunks I use a free tool called TweakPNG to do this. It would be nice if graphics apps like GIMP, Paintshop, or Photoshop would offer control over PNGs just like TweakPNG. As well, reducing colours from a PNG palette by-eye is something I do daily. I use a tool called Web Image Guru to do this. It can also be accomplished in Photoshop (SaveForWeb). GIMP doesn't offer anything like it... the only way to reduce colours of an Index image is converting it to RGB then back to Index, selecting a colour limit and then letting the software try it's best to whittle the palette down (doing it by eye is better). Colour reduction matters when you need to shave off 10's or 100's of BYTES off an Indexed image (one colour removed can make the difference). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of j Mak Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:36 PM To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop --- Kalle Ounapuu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Photoshop for a bunch of years and only recently used GIMP a few times at work. Having access to Photoshop and being comfortable with it, I have no reason to use GIMP. The times I have used it, I was a bit annoyed by the interface... how there is no main window that contains everything. As well, some of the organization of menus seemed odd. I also use both Photoshop and Gimp and agree that Potoshop is more user friendly. The lack of a main window in Gimp seems to be a major irritation for new users. That you see all the icons and open windows behind your canvas could be annoying. I've never understood myself why developers haven't designed a main window for Gimp yet. As far as I know Gimp is the only app that uses this non-standard interface. Are you aware that Gimpshop, now uses Photoshop-like menu structure? The time when I choose Gimp over Photoshop is when I create special effects and textures. Here Gimp clearly bits Photoshop. Especially when you combine the filter effects with Script-fu. Of course, you can always buy extra filters for Photoshop but here I am comparing the default settings. More control over chunks in PNG files. What's your problem with Gimp's png output. In terms of editing, layers, and effects... nothing beats Photoshop. I agree. jozsefmak -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kent Tong Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:11 PM To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop Hi, We're an organization promoting open source in Macau. We're considering whether to organize some training courses on GIMP or not. Before that, we'd like to evaluate how powerful GIMP is when compared to Photoshop. We're not insisting that it must be as powerful as Photoshop. We just need a clear idea on its power. As I'm not a graphics guy, I've got a colleague to do some initial evaluation. As my colleague has a strong photoshop background but is just getting started with GIMP, I'd like to have the confirmation from someone like you with strong GIMP experience. So, would you please comment on my colleague's finding below? Thanks in advance! Disadvantage of GIMP - Text tool -- Can't display Chinese in the GIMP Text Editor -- Can't control indivitual text format in the same Text. (The format applies to the whole text) -- Compare to PhotoShop, creating text effect is difficult. Photoshop built in text effects. GIMP can only use the filter or script-fu to create effect. -- Compare to PhotoShop, text effect will still be apply even the Text is changed. But you need to do everything again if you text need to be changed. -- Can't display Chinese font in the font selection list. - Layers control -- Can't display Chinese in the Layer. -- Compare to PhotoShop, managing the layers is not that easy. You can define layers to groups in Photoshop. You can even target an action to a group. No group idea in GIMP. ___ Gimp-user mailing list
[Gimp-user] GIMP cli options
Hi where can I find information on the gimp [--batch-interpreter procedure] option ? this option is mentioned in http://www.gimp.org/man/gimp.html thanks ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Yet another collection of brushes and patterns..
On Monday 02 May 2005 11.24, Olivier Ripoll wrote: Rene Jensen wrote: Howdy folks, and thanks for a great program. I don't know where you keep you link section for external resources, but if you want to add my brushes and patterns, feel free to do so. All is free and homemade so no strings attached. I use most of it for game graphics, and it works sweet. One do have to figure out how to use them first, though :) I add to the collection every now and then. Stuff: http://www.artcamilla.dk/vaultage/cornucopia/ Examples of use: http://www.artcamilla.dk/vaultage/examples/ Have fun and keep coding, it makes the world happy.. Sincerely Rene Jensen They are gorgeous! I am very impressed by the quality. I tested 4 (3 textures and 1 pastel) and they would really be nice addition to gimp. Thanks and congratulations. Sincerely, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user Excuse a newbie like me (when it comes to script etc) Where exactly do i put the .py scripts so graciously shared? I have tried several different locations ( ~/.gimp/scripts ~/.gimp/plug-ins ~/.gimp/modules) but i cant seem to find the plugin anywhere. The source (if i read it right) should end up under /Python-fu/Alchemy But all i have there is Clothify... And yes, i have restarted Gimp in between moving the script around.. I think i have the brushes allright.. Havent tried the patterns or textures yet (Still working out where to put them) -- /Rikard Sharing knowledge is the most fundamental act of friendship. Because it is a way you can give something without loosing something. -R. Stallman --- Rikard Johnels email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mob : +46 763 19 76 25 PGP : 0x461CEE56 --- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Yet another collection of brushes and patterns..
Where exactly do i put the .py scripts so graciously shared? I have tried several different locations ( ~/.gimp/scripts ~/.gimp/plug-ins ~/.gimp/modules) but i cant seem to find the plugin anywhere. The source (if i read it right) should end up under /Python-fu/Alchemy But all i have there is Clothify... I don't understand this? My files are in: brushes == .gimp-2.2/brushes patterns == .gimp-2.2/patterns python scripts == .gimp-2.2/plug-ins and the scripts appear under (when right-clicking on an open image, not in the generic python menu): Python-fu/Alchemy/Brushpipe-curve/rotate-layers I think i have the brushes allright.. Havent tried the patterns or textures yet (Still working out where to put them) The textures are not meant for GIMP but for 3D programs. Actually the patterns are [possibly scaled-down] copies of the textures. Sincerely Rene ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
--- Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 09:28:48AM +, Kent Tong wrote: Thanks for all who have replied. Yes, the Chinese problem is bogus. It works as long as the LANG env variable is set. it is interesting that the one time i saw anyone use this photoshop layers effect stuff, i was able to get TheGIMP to produce the same image in less than twenty minutes. that was using a little knowledge of computer graphics (most of which i learned by working with TheGIMP). Carol, You are right that there are ways of working around solutions, but this is not the point. In reality, it seldom happens, if ever, that you come up with an idea, then sit down in front of your computer and realize it in one shot. Rather, artwork, even the simplest ones like web page buttons are the result of experimentation. And this is where the Adjustment layer and the layer effects come in. Using them you can experiment with various settings without changing the set up of your layer structure. In addition, you can edit your artwork, even months or years after finishing it, simply by altering the Adjustment layer or changing the layer effects parameters. For instance, if I decide at some point that don't want drop shadows anymore, I simply click on the layer effect representing the shadow and I turn it off, or add other effect if I want to. By the way Macromedia Fireworks has similar tools but their implementation is totally different; they call them Live Effects. These are extremely useful tools that's why graphic artists like them; they allow an efficient and economical way of creating artwork. I think the Gimp would benefit a great deal from similar features. Regards, jozsefmak ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
j Mak wrote: Using them you can experiment with various settings without changing the set up of your layer structure. In addition, you can edit your artwork, even months or years after finishing it, simply by altering the Adjustment layer or changing the layer effects parameters. For instance, if I decide at some point that don't want drop shadows anymore, I simply click on the layer effect representing the shadow and I turn it off, or add other effect if I want to. I'm not a PhotoShop user so please excuse the question but how does your example *not* change the setup of the layer structure? If I add a drop shadow to something in Gimp, the drop shadow is in a layer an I show or hide. How is that different from the Adjustment layer you describe? I'm sure it is but I don't know how it differs. :) Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
