Re: [Gimp-user] GimpShop list
On Thursday 12 July 2007 19:13, Chris Mohler wrote: On 7/12/07, John R. Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone can set up a list at yahoogroups. I see some with three members. The owner of the list can set the rules, allow anyone to join or requre preapproval, prescreen or not prescreen posts, set up assistant moderators and so on. I am the lead moderator on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have two essentially coequal co-moderators. The owner of the list is SPAN. It is a comprehensive service and it is free. It isn't perfect but what is? Yahoo Group messages are nastily formatted HTML. I hear the Google Groups has added mailing lists -- I wonder if that's any better? On [EMAIL PROTECTED] we ask for plain text. I can't remember if we set a parameter to insist on that. I know that the messages I clear are all in plain text. So your statement doesn't apply in our case at least. I see HTML on a few other lists but those senders get yelled at. HTML has no place in email IMO. If the mail is not from one of my mailing lists or from a designated client I have a filter that sends HTML bearing mail to a special folder. 98% of such mail is SPAM. I delete based on subject line. -- John Culleton Able Indexing and Typesetting Precision typesetting (tm) at reasonable cost. Satisfaction guaranteed. http://wexfordpress.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GimpShop list
On 7/13/07, John R. Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 12 July 2007 19:13, Chris Mohler wrote: [...] Yahoo Group messages are nastily formatted HTML. I hear the Google Groups has added mailing lists -- I wonder if that's any better? On [EMAIL PROTECTED] we ask for plain text. I can't remember if we set a parameter to insist on that. I know that the messages I clear are all in plain text. So your statement doesn't apply in our case at least. I see HTML on a few other lists but those senders get yelled at. HTML has no place in email IMO. If the mail is not from one of my mailing lists or from a designated client I have a filter that sends HTML bearing mail to a special folder. 98% of such mail is SPAM. I delete based on subject line. Good news. I'm on only one of those Yahoo lists, and I assumed text wasn't an option - who wouldn't turn off that nasty HTML!? For those who haven't got one: they're particularly ugly! Going to bitch at that particular list admin right now... ;) Chris ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GimpShop list
On Thursday 12 July 2007, Manish Singh wrote: Why is this our problem? Our list our community is being distracted by it. That gives us a facet of the problem. We can reduce that facet by simply saying That's a GimpShop problem, please take it http://here/; in response. Hopefully, this will prompt GimpShop developer(s) to put up their own fora, even if only in self defence. One possible (not likely, you'll notice, but possible) outcome is that having GIMP-friendly moderators will lead to participants pressuring GimpShop developers to turn it into a a collection of patches on GIMP, or maybe a GIMP module of some kind. Cheers; Leon -- http://cyberknights.com.au/ Modern tools; traditional dedication http://plug.linux.org.au/ Member, Perth Linux User Group http://slpwa.asn.au/Member, Linux Professionals WA http://osia.net.au/ Member, Open Source Industry Australia http://linux.org.au/Committee Member, Linux Australia ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GimpShop list
sorry to post again on this topic but there are to points One possible (not likely, you'll notice, but possible) outcome is that having GIMP-friendly moderators will lead to participants pressuring GimpShop developers to turn it into a a collection of patches on GIMP, or maybe a GIMP module of some kind. This i suppose he already did: the deweirdyfier plugin that is listed in the gimp plugin repository as far i know basically transform gimp in gimpshop. seem result is even a bit less buggy then gimpshop then...GIMPSHOP SUPPORT as answer to any question relate to gimpshop we can kindly offer the link for the Gimpshop author webside , this http://www.plasticbugs.com/ default reply could be, please for Gimpshop refer to http://www.plasticbugs.com/ this is a different project, we can't help Alchemie Foto\grafiche - - L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GimpShop list
On Wednesday 11 July 2007 17:16, Leon Brooks wrote: On Thursday 12 July 2007, Manish Singh wrote: The GPL allows forks, but doesn't require the organization that was forked from to provide support to the fork. True. However, I'm wondering if there's anyone here willing to moderate such a list, what it would coist to run such at Berkeley? The logic is that it would take such posts away from the main list (which you're reading now) really be helping people. The downside is that it could be seen as supporting GimpShop despite the developer's entire unwillingness to join this community. In answer to the second point, are are any other good, free (yeah, yeah, I know) list servers in action that you'd recommend someone independant started a support list on? The idea behind that is to take the traffic away but still be able to monitor it, so that despite said developer's approach, good ideas could be captured for the benefit of *both* packages. And, who knows, bad ideas might even get a little slapping about before anyone implements them, so establishing a precendent. If enough people here think the idea's basically a winner, I might ask Linux Australia to be a list host, with the idea of inviting a few others here along as moderators. Cheers; Leon Anyone can set up a list at yahoogroups. I see some with three members. The owner of the list can set the rules, allow anyone to join or requre preapproval, prescreen or not prescreen posts, set up assistant moderators and so on. I am the lead moderator on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have two essentially coequal co-moderators. The owner of the list is SPAN. It is a comprehensive service and it is free. It isn't perfect but what is? -- John Culleton Able Indexing and Typesetting Precision typesetting (tm) at reasonable cost. Satisfaction guaranteed. http://wexfordpress.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GimpShop list
On 7/12/07, John R. Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone can set up a list at yahoogroups. I see some with three members. The owner of the list can set the rules, allow anyone to join or requre preapproval, prescreen or not prescreen posts, set up assistant moderators and so on. I am the lead moderator on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have two essentially coequal co-moderators. The owner of the list is SPAN. It is a comprehensive service and it is free. It isn't perfect but what is? Yahoo Group messages are nastily formatted HTML. I hear the Google Groups has added mailing lists -- I wonder if that's any better? Chris ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GimpShop list
On Thursday 12 July 2007, Manish Singh wrote: The GPL allows forks, but doesn't require the organization that was forked from to provide support to the fork. True. However, I'm wondering if there's anyone here willing to moderate such a list, what it would coist to run such at Berkeley? The logic is that it would take such posts away from the main list (which you're reading now) really be helping people. The downside is that it could be seen as supporting GimpShop despite the developer's entire unwillingness to join this community. In answer to the second point, are are any other good, free (yeah, yeah, I know) list servers in action that you'd recommend someone independant started a support list on? The idea behind that is to take the traffic away but still be able to monitor it, so that despite said developer's approach, good ideas could be captured for the benefit of *both* packages. And, who knows, bad ideas might even get a little slapping about before anyone implements them, so establishing a precendent. If enough people here think the idea's basically a winner, I might ask Linux Australia to be a list host, with the idea of inviting a few others here along as moderators. Cheers; Leon -- http://cyberknights.com.au/ Modern tools; traditional dedication http://plug.linux.org.au/ Member, Perth Linux User Group http://slpwa.asn.au/Member, Linux Professionals WA http://osia.net.au/ Member, Open Source Industry Australia http://linux.org.au/Committee Member, Linux Australia ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GimpShop list
On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 05:16:56AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: On Thursday 12 July 2007, Manish Singh wrote: The GPL allows forks, but doesn't require the organization that was forked from to provide support to the fork. True. However, I'm wondering if there's anyone here willing to moderate such a list, what it would coist to run such at Berkeley? The logic is that it would take such posts away from the main list (which you're reading now) really be helping people. The downside is that it could be seen as supporting GimpShop despite the developer's entire unwillingness to join this community. In answer to the second point, are are any other good, free (yeah, yeah, I know) list servers in action that you'd recommend someone independant started a support list on? The idea behind that is to take the traffic away but still be able to monitor it, so that despite said developer's approach, good ideas could be captured for the benefit of *both* packages. And, who knows, bad ideas might even get a little slapping about before anyone implements them, so establishing a precendent. If enough people here think the idea's basically a winner, I might ask Linux Australia to be a list host, with the idea of inviting a few others here along as moderators. Why is this our problem? The initial response to the GimpShop question was to ask the GimpShop people for support? How about everyone who likes GimpShop to ask the guy who started it to have a mailing list or some other support forum, and his own bug tracker? If he doesn't want to do this, this is a gigantic reason *not* to use GimpShop. Alternatively, the same people who like GimpShop could ask him why he doesn't/didn't actually work contructively with the community. -Yosh ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
