Re: Speaking of OSS in schools

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Okay, call it a fit of inspriation (thank you Brian!).  I ran out an
registered linuxinschools.[com, net, info] (org was taken), and I
offer it for the following:

How would a group as knowledgable and as talented as the GNHLUG or
~any~LUG package, market, and sell (as in convince) Linux to towns and
cities for use in their school systems?  I can go and find a dozen
HOWTOs (including linuxinschools.org), but it's a ~lot~ harder to find
a WHYTO anywhere.

If anyone is interested in volunteering for this project with me, let
me know.  I can provide space, etc to get a site started, though b/w
is a home connection (768k up) so it couldn't live there past concept.

any takers?


On 7/7/05, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ripped from the headlines of /.:
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4642461.stm
 
 
 How schools can get free software
 school computer room
 Schools' computer costs have been rising
 The UK government's school computing agency, Becta, has said schools could
 save costs by switching to what is known as open source software.
 
 In open source software (OSS), the underlying computer code is freely
 available so users can alter it and publish new versions, to benefit the
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Re: Question on iptables and forwarding inward

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That's the hope, yes, as I do run a couple of other services (smtp, http(s)) via port forwarding.On 9/10/05, Jeff Kinz 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 12:09:31PM -0400, Star wrote:
 Hi All, I've got a server sitting inside my firewall (netfilter/iptables) and I need to make it completely accessible to clients coming from specific subnets. I've used iptables for NATing and other uses from the inside out, but not
 for coming outside in, and since it's a windows box, I'd like to limit it so that it only a couple of known networks can get access to it. Port forwarding it ~doable~ but with all the services, I'm hoping to avoid a
 chain that long.OK, win server sitting inside (behind) an iptables firewallAllow some external (outside) network address ranges(subnets)to have some access to the win server?
You use net masks on the INPUT chain to specify ACCEPT onthe net address ranges you want to let in, and you can even specify portranges (which map to services) to further refine the access.
My assumption here is that all other traffic is to be either rejectedor sent to some other system on the internal LAN?--speech recognition software was used in the composition of this e-mail
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Re: Question on iptables and forwarding inward

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On 9/10/05, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Star, please don't top-post, it makes it harder to understand whatyou are saying:For example what are you referring to below when yousay Thats the hope?(yes, I can guess this time, but thereason for the time honored tradition of bottom posting is that it
produces a more understandable and more condensed dialog stream).On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 01:22:16PM -0400, Star wrote: That's the hope, yes, as I do run a couple of other services (smtp, http(s)) via port forwarding.
MOVED TO INDICATE what I think You're replying to. On 9/10/05, Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 12:09:31PM -0400, Star wrote:
   I've got a server sitting inside my firewall (netfilter/iptables)  and I need  to make it completely accessible to clients coming from  specific subnets.  I've used iptables for NATing and other uses
  from the inside out, but not  for coming outside in, and since it's  a windows box, I'd like to limit it so  that it only a couple of  known networks can get access to it. Port  forwarding it ~doable~
  but with all the services, I'm hoping to avoid a  chain that long.  OK, win server sitting inside (behind) an iptables firewall   Allow some external (outside) network address ranges(subnets)
  to have some access to the win server? That's the hope, yes, as I do run a couple of other services (smtp, http(s)) via port forwarding.Star: the next two paragraphs are what I think is a solution to your
goals.Do you need more specific examples?  You use net masks on the INPUT chain to specify ACCEPT on  the net address ranges you want to let in, and you can even specify port
  ranges (which map to services) to further refine the access.   My assumption here is that all other traffic is to be either rejected  or sent to some other system on the internal LAN?
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Sorry for the top-post, I'd just finished up with some work-mail, and well, it's backwards there ;)

Thanks for the help! It got me in the right direction and things are going and forwarding as needed!

Re: DNS Recursion

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On 9/14/05, Kenneth E. Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,I'm using BIND8 (8.4.6) as an external name server. I want to also useit as the name server for my external boxes. However, I can't seem toget recursion to work correctly.If I use `allow-recursion {none; };` then dns lookups for my local zones
works fine, but the external boxes can't use it to look up otherdomains.If I use `allow-recursion { any; };` then anyone can use it as a DNSserver.I tried `allow-recursion { x.x.x.x; };` (x.x.x.x
 = external NAT IPaddress), but the query was denied with:named[2692]: denied recursion for query from [x.x.x.x].24684 forwww.google.com INI have also tried setting up acl external {}; with the ip addresses of
the external hosts and using `allow-recursion { external; };`. This isalso denied.Is recursion an all or nothing option? I thought that it could take acloptions. Any thoughts?Thanks,Kenny
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Simplest thing I've done to guard from that is to use the allow query stanza...

allow-query {
 // Only let mine see.
 192.168.1.0/24;
};

You can use that globally, or if you're also using it to host other domains you can use

allow-query {

 // anyone can see this domain.

 any;

};

from within the domain setup.

It's worked for me, at any rate ;-)

Re: Half Dux Linksys?

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On 9/15/05, Lawrence Tilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good afternoon, all.

Today I had my service swapped over from cable to DSL. When I hit
Speakeasy's speed test after the new service was setup however I got a
bit of a shock. My download speed was clocking in at only 800kbps
( upload is about 650 ). I was a bit concerned and so I
reconnected my cable modem and tried again...and got very similar
results ( 780 down and 500 up ). 

I disconnected my Linksys Firewall Router ( BESFX41 ) and went directly
against the modems. This looked much better. My upload
didn't change in either case but my download for both went up over
3k. I have a standard Linksys Router ( BEFSR41 ) here also which
I hooked up. This had almost no impact on the speeds, so it's definetly
something with the FIrewall Router.

I went thru the admin menu of the troublesome equipment and I can't
find anything that might put this thing into half duplex mode or
otherwise cripple it's performance. I have no logging enabled on
the router and no special filters running. I double-checked
Linksys site and am running the most current firmware ( dated 2004 )
and Google has not turned up any leads. I have been using this unit for
the last 2+ years and to be honest with you it has been a LONG time
since I've done a speed test, probably when I first got everything
networked up, so I couldn't say when it may have done this to me.
I know I could just put in the non-firewall in place for now but I
really don't want to give up the firewall.

Any ideas / suggestions / experience?

-L


When my linksys was finally dying, after 3+ years of constant service,
it was doing much the same... speed seemed to wind-down, and when
I hooked the ports up directly to system (including the wan port) they
were indeed all linking at half-duplex, save, I think, port 1. I
ended up retiring it. I went the geeky route with a small
multi-homed debian box and a WAP to keep the wireless, but my speed
with comcast jumped up again, then higher when I moved to Speakeasy...

just my experience

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Re: howto demo website

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On 9/20/05, Marc Nozell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 10:27 -0500, Richard Soule wrote: Greg Rundlett wrote:  Anybody have suggestions for good (free software) tools for recording  and playing back a website demo?I built an application that has a web
  frontend, and I want to record user interaction through the site so that  I can do demonstrations of the application without requiring the live  application.Say for doing training, or documentation.
 Not exactly free software, but...A similar 'freeware' (free-as-in-beer, no source) tool is wink(http://www.debugmode.com/wink/).It too generates flash
and lets you edit and annotate the video.-marc--Marc Nozell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.nozell.com/blog/
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Another that I ran across while looking at edubuntu is Istanbul.
Not sure about the flash bit, but it does look fun to play with!
http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul
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Re: jabber?

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Oh no! Not Tom in front of the group...

*sigh* well, yeah, okay, but I'm gonna be buying a lot of beer that night ;)On 10/18/05, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:On 10/17/05, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: I seem to remember at one point that someone in the group was quite familiar with jabber, but can't remember who.On 10/18/05, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: That'd be me..;-)I sense a future GNHLUG meeting presentation topic here ;-)-- Ben Come on, it'll be fun! Scott___
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DNS: BIND vs. WinDNS

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Well, in the run up to the apparently much anticipated disucussion this week on DNS/BIND and all things namey related, I pose this question:Does anyone know of or have access to any studies or numbers comparing the performance of BIND 9 vs. Windows 200x DNS servers?
I'm looking for real study type stuff. I've been in those trenches too, and I know what my gut tells me, but I need to present something with real backable bite to them.My company is primarily a windows shop. We tend to see 10s of thousands of hits per hour to the name servers on the average day, round the clock (international product). Due to some snafu's recently regarding the name servers, and only having 2-ish people that are comfortable working with BIND (and sadly, none in the group responsible for it), Some of the Powers are questioning the sense of moving to a Windows DNS on our edged name severs. I'm trying to pitch the idea of keeping the edges as BIND/RH and using them as slaves with Windows masters being setup for the Ease of mgt they're looking for. Googling for such things is becoming a full time job ;)
Thanks in advance for your help/suggestions!~Star

Re: DNS: BIND vs. WinDNS

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 Is the real issue managing BIND, or is the real issue that
 everybody
 there hates nix, and BIND management is just the latest
 excuse to get
 rid of nix?Currently, it's some of each. There is
definately a fear of using something that's not understood. It's
not so much a matter of trying to force it down their throats as, it's
already in place, it's solid, ~and~ it works. The problem stems
from management in that we have to move this out to our Builds Team
for adding and removing CNAMEs etc, as there are litterally scores of
such changes a day. The guys in the Systems Group (those
responsible for the management of these machines overall) simply can't
keep up with the level of requests coming forward. Management is
of the opinion that We know windows, therefore we'll go that route
and it's hard to argue. There's lots of expertice in house for
dealing with Windows machine and such moving forward.

The discussion today, ran to the idea my group (meaning me and one
other guy) proposed to use Windows boxes in the core (non-public) as
masters for the zones and have the edge (public) servers setup as slave
bind boxes to the core servers. No capital outlay for that one,
just keep the bind boxes as they are and change them to be
slaves. Our build-monkeys get to have a cute MS style interface
to screw up instead (okay, okay, it's not ~quite~ that bad) and don't
have to deal with VI (don't get me going on the webmin
conversation). We don't add domains often enough for it to be a
major concern, and their addition can remain with the Systems
group. It's got it's merits, but MGT is looking for numbers to
see if that kind of paradigm shift (direct quote) is necessary.

Sadly, offloading this to a provider is just not an option as we have
to have 24x7 absolute accountability (a.k.a. someone to skin) when
things break. Not to mention, we'll need, literally, instant
responsiveness to changes and the ability to deal with the number of
requests we do.

Re: OT: Forum legalish question

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There's a couple of groups on Yahoo (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhlibertarians/ and 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NHPorcupines-announce/) that I'm sure would look at this with Rabid Fascination.With New Hampshire having been chosen as the Free State (
http://www.freestateproject.org) there are many people taking a close look at how government works within the state, and making sure that such abuses, while difficult to stop, are given a lime-light and made to be very public knowledge.
There are a number of people within the mail-lists that have a good understanding of such laws and ordinance and where you may get the backing/knowledge you'll need when a suite is brought.With enough eyes in the state on the prospect, a useless legal action is far less likely.

Re: open source database visualization

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On 3/14/06, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 14 March 2006 9:46 am, Christopher Chisholm wrote: Hey Everyone, Does anyone know of any open source or freeware project that can graph relational databases?I'm thinking of something similar to the way MS
 Access draws tables, or similar to Visio.http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discussOne of my favs for this has been Dia. Pretty straight foward and similar to Visio.

Re: Question about rdesktop

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On 4/25/06, Steven W. Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At work I run linux but I have to get my damn email via winbloze. Theyhave a wim machine I can get to from linux by using rdesktop. Here's myquestion. Is there *ANY* way to set a cut buffer in linux and then paste
that value into the windoze screen? Or vice versa, can I set a buffer inwindoze, do a ^C and then be able to paste in linux?The way does exist... using TSClient as my front-end (yeah, I'm that lazy) I don't get such buffers, but using grdesktop for it, I'm able to cut and paste text-buffers no sweat.
Sadly, I can't answer the how for just rdesktop *shrugs*~ Star

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

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  At this point, the subject line has become something of an in-joke,
although I will concede I may be the only one in on it.



Oh no!  Actually, I should have known better than to be sipping coffee while
opening this thread...  Ah well, that's why there's a stack of keyboards
over there...

And speaking as someone who has sought you out at times just to start the
You know why Debian is better..? conversations, there is something to be
said in the mental flexing that happens with any such conversation.

Debian's my choice because it's where my comfort zone is.  I have a fairly
good understanding of where it's putting stuff and where to look when I
change one-too-many lines in a config file.  That all started when i got
really p!$$3d off with a RH7 install and a bout of Dependency Hell in the
days before a stable dependency manager (that I was aware of) in RH.  I took
the time to work through all of the problems that a Potato install gave me,
'cause $DIETYs knew that it couldn't be as bad as where I was coming from!
Or so I told myself to prove to me why I was right, and it wasn't really a
fruitless exercise :-D

Once I hit that comfort-zone, and fell in love with the (at that time)
largest available repositories, I was ready to go.  Didn't touch RH again
until 9, and by that time, I'd already converted and been confirmed as a
Debian Zealot.  My attempts to change and view other distros (5 months with
Suse, 4+ months with various Fedoras on work machines, 13.5 minutes with
Ubuntu Hoary [What do you mean now Firefox 1.5?!], a number of let's see
with Mandr[ake|iva]), it came back to where I knew what was going on.  Yes,
on FCx and RHx, changing the interface is as easy as going to
/etc/sysconfig/networking/ifcfg.ethx (or some such), but my fingers are
already hardwired for vi /etc/network/interfaces when I want to change
'em.  When my nVidia xserver doesn't fire up after a kernel upgrade, I
already know (and accept) that it's back at the console for a brief rounder
with Module-Assistant...  The times recently when I test drove the other
distros was more of a curiosity adventure and I knew that I could always run
back under the covers when I didn't wanna figure it out any more.

None of these are perfect, I just happened to chose the imperfect one that I
like best.  I still think that part of the reason that FOSS in general game
so far so fast is because of the typical user-base's tendency to stretch the
boundaries of it's original function.  Hence all of the breakage, fixage,
and rapid bug-patch-releasage (hey I was on a theme).

As to the proprietary stuff: There are pay-for distros that work just fine
with MP3 and DVD codecs, and their price is downright reasonable...
Mandriva, Suse, and RH Workstation have been including them in their
packages for... how long?

Next on the adgenda...  Gnome is so much better than KDE because...

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New Login in a nested Window and a month of aggravation...

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Okay, this one has finally beaten me...

I use Xnest as proved with gnome to login to multiple machines and work in a
very Windowy way on a desktop via XDMCP offering from those machine...  not
rocket science.  Except on one machine...  It just happens to be my primary
workstation here, and it's the one that I really want to have working.

I open up xnest (or more correctly gdmflexiserver --xnest) and happily get a
screen where I can choose all of my actions and move about on the keyboard
with no effort/no problem...  until I attempt to use the mouse.  The cursor
moves just fine, and such ('course that could just be the local
representation) but when I click, with any button:  nuthin'.  Worse than
nuthin, if I click repeatedly (anywhere between 10 and 50 clicks) I
eventually get the response of one single click.

I do not have the same problem in GDM or anywhere in my gnome/nautilus
desktop.  I've resorted to logging in via regularly running vnc sessions,
but hate the idea of leaving them open all the time when all i'm really
looking to do is have a decent shelled experience when needing to get stuff
done and log off.  Between sshing in and starting the vncserver and
bouncing 'tween those two shells, i get stuff done, but I ~miss~ my xnest
experience.

I've googled, e-mail developers (may-as-well-have flushed 'em with all the
activity on the new release), i've wept, i've shouted at the street-lamps
for a minor sliver of where to look...  You, GNHLUGers, are my last best
hope for bringing just one more simplicity to my meager desktop desires...

any thoughts?  And no, Tom, i will not switch to KDE ;-)

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Re: New Login in a nested Window and a month of aggravation...

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On 3/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


Okay, I admit it!  I have no idea what you're talking about!  I use
Xnest.  And I have problems with Xnest, too.  But what problems are
you having?  Maybe you can give an example of one situation which is
causing problems for you...



Yeah, it was wordy...  kinda the edge i was on...

Basically, it all works fine, just not the mouse.  The mouse cursor appears
to track but clicking any of the buttons has no effect unless I click like a
bug-mad monkey.  If I repeatedly click, eventually the xnest window will
register a click.  The mouse and keyboard are both PS2, but plugging in the
USB mouse shows the same symptoms.
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Re: New Login in a nested Window and a month of aggravation...

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Distro, Xorg release, video HW on this box? If ATI or NVidia, stock or
proprietary X drivers? If the latter, what happens with the former?



I'm running Debian Sid x86_64 with X.org 7.1.1
I am currently running with the nVidia drivers 1.0-8776 on a GeForce 7600
GS.  After seeing your note, I flipped back to the stock nv driver, and
had identical results (restored my original xorg.conf file)
GDM is version 2.16.4

**  New further finding...

it does appear to be a problem with motion tracking.  After forcing my way
into a full session, it appears that by holding the mouse-button and moving
it a touch, I get it to recognize where it is...  if this happens to be on a
launcher in gnome, i get several running gnome-terminals...

on an additional note, the versions here match the versions on my laptop
except that the lt is 32bit and a nVidia Go448 chip...
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Re: New Login in a nested Window and a month of aggravation...

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After much of the playing I've done today, and discovering that it really
~is~ mouse movement and not the clicks that aren't registering...  it
appears to be a documents and not yet fixed issue (at least in my distro)

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412486

Thanks for the tips!!
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Re: MS Services for Unix permission problems

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On 4/27/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


For various reasons I'm trying to get Microsoft Services For Unix's (SFU)
NFS Server setup so a unix system can mount files on the PC.  I have Linux
and Solaris NFS clients to play with.

On Solaris I get this error:
NFS access failed for server blahblah: error 7 (RPC: Authentication error)
/net/blahblah/NFS: I/O error
total 1

Linux gives this:
ls: /net/blahblah/nfs: Permission denied

I'm using IP addresses here.
SFU is set to allow anonymous and root access

Permissions on visible from the unix side are 777

I've run wireshark on the Linux side and see the ACCESS reply is 0x00
(deny all)

Any one else have to work with SFU?




I've had problems with this in the past, and it has something to do with the
NTFS file-system permissions...  I gave up and flipped it to FAT32 and have
been happily using it since, though my space requirements are minimal.  I'm
thinking that it ~may~ be necessary to give full permissions to the Everyone
group or anonymous or some such.

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[OT] Network In Flight data sizes

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Does anyone know of a tool that will help determine
Internet-application performance throughput for overall data window
size?

My company has a client that depends on a hosted application.  While
only one of their offices used this app, things worked very well for
them.  Now that they're rolling it globally, they're noticing
significant slowdowns in certain areas.  We already use Akamai and
some fairly extreme caching settings to keep the dead-bits to a
minimum, but the dynamic parts are showing some trouble.

Essentially, they're telling us that they're seeing choke points in
the 8k range for throughput.  We've gone through all of our equipment
and assured that we're using 64k windows sizes on the send and receive
sides.  Still they see this.  It's one of those it must be on your
end discussions and we're working hard to get all the data that they
request, but it's hard to quantify this in flight number that they
keep touting and showing pretty graphs of.

The tool that the client's group is using is Opnet IT Guru/ACE which
is a fine tool...  but if I can get a req for $50k for software in
under 6 months, Hell may have a need for those double hockey-sticks...

Any advice is much appreciated.

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Re: Woot! OOXML nogo!

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On 9/5/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 9/5/07, Greg Rundlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The process isn't over.

   I expect the process will never be over.

 -- Ben

Sure it will, once it's officially recognized as a standard and
there's no one else to buy off.

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Re: a simple question about grep

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 I want to pick up all lines starting with * but no INDICATOR
 followed.

I'd double-grep it, but i'm not infront of a *nix box to check

grep -i * | grep -v *INDICATOR filename

or something to that effect.

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Re: Desperate for deb docs

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 I need docs on how to build .deb files. I do not want docs on how to build
 .deb files for a debian distribution. I do not want docs on debian policy.
 I need to understand the intricasies of how to write control files (e.g.,
 control, preinst, postinst, prerm, postrm, etc...)

I found the IBM docs very useful at
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html

But my packages tend to be very basic with little in the way of
dependencies.  You may have already exceeded what this is telling
ya...

HIH
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Re: Desperate for deb docs

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As I recall (it's been a bit) if you're on a deb-like system it's
$ apt-get source foo-package

Then you can alter, rebuild, and make a deb from that.  It will be
deployed in the current directory as ./foo-package-version/

That also assumes that your /etc/apt/sources.list file contain the
correct deb-src entries and that they're available.

On 10/16/07, Tyson Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK, that was helpful.  But there is still a big picture thing that I
 don't understand:

 How does one re-build a .deb package?  Where is the equivalent of srpm 
 packages?

 What if I want to rebuild a package on a different architecture or
 with some minor change?

 Thanks!
 Ty

 On 10/16/07, Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I need docs on how to build .deb files. I do not want docs on how to build
   .deb files for a debian distribution. I do not want docs on debian policy.
   I need to understand the intricasies of how to write control files (e.g.,
   control, preinst, postinst, prerm, postrm, etc...)
 
  I found the IBM docs very useful at
  http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html
 
  But my packages tend to be very basic with little in the way of
  dependencies.  You may have already exceeded what this is telling
  ya...
 
  HIH
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Re: List header cancer (was: Lawsuits, Red Hat, yummy....)

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 The fix needs to be in the list, not the reader.

 --

Why does this whole conversation smell of being no more than an
annoyance?  Nothing in any of this is going to please everyone, and
frankly, I like my quick *reply-all* *rant* *click send* steps
(adjusted for this argument).  If CCancer is that much of a burden,
well...  sorry.

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Re: Brother, can you spare a couple of SCSI SCA disks?

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   The one wrinkle is that they must be 3.5-inch, 1/3-height, SCSI,
 80-pin SCA (single connector attachment) disks.  That's all that will
 fit the 1U server we have.

I have a pair of Seagate 36g that I believe fit the bill here, though
their size is also nuthin' to write home about...

 -- especially if we want to start doing
 things like hosting videos of meetings.

not fer nuthin', but may be want to consider a service such as YouTube
(I know, flash, not foss) or GoogleVideo for these considerations?  It
would help with making such videos available to a much wider audience
and not exponentially jump up GNHLUG's bandwidth at MV.

Just a thought...

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Re: Brother, can you spare a couple of SCSI SCA disks?

[Star]

   That would still be twice what we have now.  So if you're willing to
 part with them for a price we can afford (i.e., free), that would be
 *sweet*.

I'd be willing to let 'em go for Fifty Nothings apiece, me thinks...
I'll double-check 'em tonight to make sure that they're the correct
connectors and let you know.

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Re: Brother, can you spare a couple of SCSI SCA disks?

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Bugger!  My drives are not the 80-pin connectors :(  Anyone else?

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Gimme that old time interface...

[Star]

Okay, so it sounded better with the Bob Seger riff playing in the back
of my head...

Anyway:  Lately, I realized that I was nothing short of bored with the
two major-player options for the desktop interface.  Sure, the
convienience of everything just working and gobs of very shiny
information flowing into the eyeballs at the speed of cpu has served
me well and brought me a long way into the past 5+ years of having
various flavors of Linux be my primary work/home/life desktop.

The problem is that it never felt quite like home to me...  A bit
last year I had an FVWM conversation and it got me thinking, but time
was never on my side for it...  Until this past weekend.  I finally
got fed up with my 3 year old laptop showing it's age (it's a p4 2.6g
with 2g of memory) and the [EMAIL PROTECTED] panel freezing up on boot (there's
only so many times you can type killall -9 gnome-panel without
starting to visualize blood).  So I cracked open the man-pages,
trudged through all of the forums that I could find (locating
thousands of links that are years out of date) and have a great
beginning on a working, functional desktop, and while plagiarized to
some extent, it's beginning to look pretty snappy...

My question here is this:  What are users here using if they shy away
from all of the main-stream (can that be said with Linux yet?)
desktops and go for that One Off style

I know Ben has his 'puter wired to Model 37 Teletype, 'cause that's
how Unix was meant to be run, Tom C is still working out the bugs in
his Neural Link a la Matrix.  Me?  I'm happy with my subtle gray
blends and 3d rendered wall-papers.

I know the benies to using KDE and Gnome, i'm wondering about the
multitude of users with Black/Whitebox with PERLed out menues and the
likes...

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Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

[Star]

 Couldn't some combination of wireless and VOIP make POTS
 redundant/unnecessary?  Doesn't it already?

Not even a little bit.  Drive north of Concord NH and it starts to
fall out in waves.

 I noticed Verizon doesn't want to ditch its wireless service (a separate
 company).  I'm assuming that Comcast serves the whole state and that their
 VOIP services are available everywhere, but that could be a bad assumption.

Would this be the same Comcast who doesn't offer ~any~ services as
close as Lyndyborough and Mason?

 I just wonder, if POTS went away tomorrow, what would that mean in terms of
 its effect on residents and commercial businesses?  I think it wouldn't
 affect me all that much because I have VOIP and cell phones.  But I think
 other folks here probably have a lot more insight.

 Anyone?

POTS is still there because it's resilliant as hell, and for all of
the individual complaints that people may have with the phone
company it's rarely something to do with picking up the phone and
getting a dial-tone.  I've had more electrical outages in the past
year then I have had telephone service out.

Wireless is not nearly as all-encompassing as we think...  I live in
Nashua and yeah, great coverage...  I head out to my buddies house in
Allenstown and on my Verizon phone can't seem to find signal and
eventually kills itself looking...


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Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

[Star]

 If the keepers of the POTS up and vanished... wow.  What chaos, what
 opportunity would ensue!

 People would still want (or think they need) their telephone
 service, but there would be no shiny-logo company to take their money.
 These would seem to be the perfect conditions for small-time
 for-profit/amateur telephone operators to pick up the ball.

 I can only imagine bands of Amateur Telephone Operators roaming the
 streets, rewiring at will.  Oh, what fun that would be!  Up and down
 the streets I'd go... until EVERYBODY had DSL!

 Amateur Radio operators are entrusted with custodianship of a hefty
 chunk of the radio spectrum.  Why not let amateurs get in on the wire
 waves as well?  What a great deal that would be.


Yes, fantastic, until some rival upstart that happens to be upstream
decides that only his neighborhood should get service from that nearly
decrepit CO because the other neighborhoods are filled with
republicrats!

Hams self-police well enough to be sure but we've all worked for that
license.  You can't disconnect my antenna from 3 miles away either...
Ever use 11 Meter in Nashua, say 13 years ago?  *shivers from the
memory*

N1USI
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Python's making my head hurt...

[Star]

Okay, I'm not a python coder, nor do I really desire to be yet...  I'm
trying to run a system that uses Python pretty heavily, and while it's
starting up, I'm getting an error just before it bombs...

The error is ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/cPickle.so:
undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_DecodeRawUnicodeEscape

I'm running this on Debian Sid, and the python version is 2.4.4 (as
given by python -V)

I've searched for days on google and altavista and all I can find is
some guy who screwed up Yum *sigh*

Can any python-guys/gals point me somewhere where I might find some
more information?  Or perhaps help me with some ideas on writing a
short test script that can help me duplicate/confirm that it's an
error with the debian packaging?

As an aside:  I have tried this with python versions 2.3 and 2.5 (also
installed from debian packages) with the same results.

The server that I'm playing with is a game server for
SubSpace/Continuum called A Simple Subspace Server
(http://asss.yi.org)

Thanks very  much for any advice!!

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Re: Python's making my head hurt...

[Star]

Thanks for all of the feedback!  I haven't gotten it ~quite~ fixed
yet, but I am well on my way.

It appears to be an issue with how the C components of the game server
are interacting with the python modules that it's calling, and of
course, the one specific for the game type I'm trying to run with
this.  With the information gotten from here, and a handful of
respondents from python groups, I've been able to collect enough info
to get the developers attention.

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Re: Linux and Smart phones?

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On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Brian Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's getting about time for me to replace my cell phone... next month
  actually is when I plan to do it.

  So my question to the community is...

  Is there a (smart)phone out there that can sync ***EASILY*** with Linux
  (as in user side software NOT beta, RPM/DEB/etc. available, maintained)
  that can also handle basic web browsing, and more importantly IMAP
  (preferably encrypted over ssl or other standard)?


I'm in love with My Treo (mine is the 700p model).  It appears to hit
all of your requirements, though I don't use IMAP SSL 'cause verizon
lets me sync through them.  All of the PIM offerings work great with
gpilotd and evolution.  And my short trips into KDE land (for other
reasons) had me syncing to the KDE PIM apps in just-about
plug-and-play fasion.

~If~ i've heard correctly (and I don't know that I have), the 750 is
windows mobile (no experience with sync) and 755 is Palm OS.  The Palm
Centro is also palm based and add a little funk to the look and feel
of the palm brand of smartphones.

But I think my favorite feature of the phone is (for an extra cost)
the tethering feature (either bluetooth or via usb) that works with
one bit of extra palm software.  Yes, in Linux :)

Of course, I've had it for only 5 months, so about the time I'm
looking to upgrade, OpenMoko will be making its debut, and Verizon
will keep to it's open connectivity promises.  Hey, a boy can dream...

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Re: low power linux PC?

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On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Peter Dobratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So I want to setup a linux server at home to do backups from various
  computers around the house.

  Amanda looks promising ( http://amanda.zmanda.com/ )

If you might be contemplating letting the workstations manage their
backups in a push method, you may also want to take a look at Time
Warp or Fly-Back for linux.  Not sure about a windows method here,
however, some crafty scripting with rsync or rsnapshot can give you
full backups to remote devices and save a lot on space.  Think Apple's
Time-Warp while using hard links to represent files that haven't
changed.  My backups are tiny now without playing the incremental
game.


  For the backup server, I want to setup a separate box, probably
  running Debian.  As the primary purpose of this computer is just to
  store the backups, my primary feature consideration is power
  requirements.  Is there anything out there that can run Linux, have a
  few 250 GB or greater hard drives, and run on around 50 Watts or less?
   It can be a headless box that I ssh into.


I've recently fallen in love with the Buffalo line of products for
networked storage.  Healthy drive size to start with, and a couple of
USB 2.0 ports to add more when/if necessary.  The tinkerer in me
doesn't like that it's all prebuilt and shiny, but for plug-in-and-go
it's a good measuring-stick.
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Re: low power linux PC?

[Star]

  I've got a set of the Western Digital 'Green' drives coming in
  tomorrow (whoops...today now):

  8.5 Watts - only 5400 RPM though (so I'm expecting to cache
  aggressively).  I'm trying to build a quiet, powerful 1U server so
  every Watt counts in keeping the fans slow (quiet).  We'll see, WD's
  haven't been so reliable for me.


At work, we recently deployed a storage server in the data-center
stuffed full of 1T Green Drives, and I've gotta tell you:  Far more
then I expected out of them.  They can boost performance up to
nearly 7200 rpm's when demand is high (power curve goes up with it).
 Since we're using them primarily as NFS mounts over Gigabit Ethernet,
the bottleneck hasn't been the I/O.  They're currently configged in
RAID-10 (software) with ext3 FS's.  Haven't really noticed a huge
difference in cache usage from our older choice of drives.  It's only
been a few weeks with them, so I can't speak to the longterm
reliability, though.


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[OT] - bad bad humor

[Star]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems

Go to the Feature Compairison...  Note the last feature column.

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Re: Alternatives to Comcast

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On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Dan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Various things Comcast is doing is driving me away. They used to be
 decent, but now they are horrible.

 Whats driving me away:

 Internet: Blocking port 25. Yes, I could illegally hack my modem, but
 its not worth it. There goes all my logwatches and cron job outputs.

 Cable: Their compression stinks. Has anyone watched NESN lately? Even on
 just digital cable, when the seen changes, the picture is horrible. For
 the best example check out:
 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271

 I am strongly looking at DirectTV for tv, but don't know a good
 alternative for internet. So my question is two-fold.

 What ISP is a good alternative to Comcast?
 What cable/satellite provider is better than Comcast?

 Thanks
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I also live in Southern Nashua, and did have Verizon FiOS until about
a month ago...  kept having problems trying to pay my bill, and
finally got fed up with having to be transfered a bunch of times
'cause the phone company didn't know that they offered FiOS service in
NH...  (the worst transfer count was 48, but it averaged around 20).
I recently went back to Comcast.  I did not, however, go for the
standard domestic setup.  I require open access to port 80 and 25,
etc, etc, so I decided that it was worth it to me to spend the extra
money and purchased the Home Office package.  Yes, it's $80 vs the
standard $50, however, there is no port blocking, ever...  I get to
use their business support people (at least during the day they tell
me, at night it's the regular all-in-one group), and there's no
traffic shaping or p2p blocking...  I've noticed no degradation in my
use of torrents.

I also got static IPs, paid extra, but got 5.  My connection is also
at 16/2 and has been solid since they turned it on.  I don't remember
what the price difference was for the 8/1 connection.

For all of the EvilEmpirism surrounding the port-blocking issue of
late, just remember the cliche:  you get what you pay for.

And, when I move (which i often seem to) I get to take it with me, as
long as comcast is there.  DSL just couldn't do that for me, neither
could FiOS.

/rant happy debating :-D

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Re: Ubuntu network configuration

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On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm slowly getting things running on my ubuntu based system.  I have a few
 network questions.
 I have two NICs, one to the corporate network, and a local one that only
 runs to a blade computer.
 eth0 is set up as dhclient.  No issues there.

 I need eth1 to be a dhcp server.  So I installed dhcp3.
 I editted /etc/default/dhcp3-server to include the line INTERFACES=eth1.


 The contents of /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf are:

 allow bootp;
 ddns-update-style interim;
 default-lease-time 6;
 option domain-name-servers 192.168.3.1;
 subnet 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
 host bch-amm {
hardware ethernet xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx;
fixed-address   192.168.3.99;
 }
 host qs22-001 {
hardware ethernet   yy.yy.yy.yy.yy.yy;
filenameqs22-001-nfsroot-2.6.22-1.ydl.1.img;
fixed-address   192.168.3.100;
 {

 option routers  192.168.3.1;
 option subnet-mask  255.255.255.0;
 filenameydl-cell.img;
 next-server 192.168.3.1;
 allow bootp;
 range dynamic-bootp 192.168.3.2 192.168.3.98;
 }

 I see there are two allow bootp's.  Which one do I take out?  Is there
 anything else wrong?

 I am attempting to run atftpd also.  The contents of /etc/default/atftpd
 is:

Looking at your dhcpd.conf, you can remove either of the allow bootp
entries.  The first is global to any server requesting from that
dhcp server, the second (if i'm reading it right) is specific to the
dhcp zone that's configured.  Since you only have one zone,  removing
either, or neither should work fine.





 USE_INETD=true
 OPTIONS=--daemon --port 69 --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5
 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread
 100 --verbose=5 /tftpboot

 I would expect that I need to edit the 239.239. . address to be =
 192.168.3.0-255?  anything else?  I read on ubuntugeek that some
 recommended that USE_INETD=false.  Why would that be?


the mcast address is for multi-cast.  It lives in a world of it's own,
and you should probablly leave that IP address alone.  any multicast
connections to that service will expect a mcast address.

setting USE_INETD=false will cause the service to run on its own vs.
being initiated through InetD services.  If you're only using this
service to give out bootp stuff to your one client, I'd go ahead and
turn it off.


 -Bruce


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Re: boot HDD into RDP client

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Pam McLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm with a K-12 school district in the Lakes Region and am looking for an 
 independent consultant who might be able to spend a few hours converting an 
 old PC into a thin client.  Glen Page referred me to this group.

 I would prefer a small, thin distro which will boot right up into an RDP 
 client - that's really all I want it to do.  I've been playing with 
 Thinstation for awhile, which seemed perfect for my needs, but can't get it 
 working on these PCs (Compaq Deskpro EX 933 w/ 128MB RAM).  The machines are 
 pre-PXE.  This is taking too much time away from the rest of my projects.

 I'm not particularly attached to Thinstation if you've something else which 
 does exactly the same thing.

 Please get in touch if you're interested in this project and I'll give you 
 more details.


At this time, I'm not looking for any contract work in that area, but
thought I'd point out some ideas:

There are a couple of different attempts that I have made to do
something very much like this.  Two of them have worked out well for
me for quick answers.

1)  A basic Gnome-Desktop install of Favorite Distro Here.  Then you
can setup a generic, unprivileged user.  Setup GDM to automatically
login using that user.  Gnome Session Manager can be used to
automatically startup rdesktop with your requred flags and in
full-screen mode if required.

2)  A bare-bones installation of linux (any distro) that uses getty or
mgetty to automatically login a user.  Then, using the xsession method
to automatically fire up rdesktop without the need to start a window
manager.  This one is obviously much lighter weight, but has some more
time involved in setting it up.

If you'd like me to elaborate on these, or provide some example of my
config changes, I'll be happy to send them along.
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Re: Ubuntu and Kernels

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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:
  I've been using Jaunty for a few months now, and I've noticed that
 my grub list is getting *quite* lengthy as new kernels are released.
 In order to reduce the kernels, I need to manually uninstall all of
 the old kernels I don't need anymore, and I was curious if there was
 any sort of a management application which might be able to manage
 what kernels are installed.  Say, keep one old one we *KNOW* booted,
 and get rid of any older ones.

  Does such a beasty exist?

Well, it won't get rid of installed kernels, but the startup-manager
tool will keep your number of grub boot options to a set number or
less.

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Re: OT: green vehicles (was: Power management)

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Alan Johnsona...@datdec.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Bill McGonigleb...@bfccomputing.com wrote:
 On 07/25/2009 08:44 AM, Alan Johnson wrote:
 But again, if I'm buying new?  Yes, Prius, Prius, Prius.

 Isn't the nickel mining an environmental and thermodynamic disaster?

 Even taking that into account,
 http://www.greenercars.org/highlights_greenest.htm lists the Prius as
 the second most green vehicle.

If you really want to go green, get a motorcycle or scooter...  for
decades they've been cheaper and better for the environment.  My
mid-grade cruiser get's about 60 mpg and can be fixed in my drive-way.
 It's lighter than any hybrid car, is far far cheaper to manufacture,
is lighter and has less foot-print on the road leading to
exponentially less damage to concrete and asphalt surfaces (thus less
need to re-pave), and considering people spend more time solo in any
car it just makes sense.

Okay, so it's not a good winter-choice, but hey!  we're talking about
the environment here!!!

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Re: Silly DNS question

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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:
  Is an _ allowed in a DNS name?

  I didn't think so, and my home DNS proxy doesn't think so, but other
 networks seem fine with it.

 http://www.thingiverse.com/image:8662

  Above is an example, where the image is stored by amazon at
 http://thingiverse_beta.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/fe/2a/15/49/75/0.5mm_single_wall_calibration_piece_display_medium.jpg

  I sent Makerbot an email about the use of the _, but I just wanted
 to make sure I wasn't wrong that _'s in a domain name aren't allowed,
 as their reserved for special use.


I'm fairly certain that the spec says no, but there may be cases where
certain DNS servers may take it to deal with dumb inhouse admins and
old-names on machine names.  I've tried in the past to register
Domains with an underscore and the machine just laughed at me.


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Re: Interesting article, games

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On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
  There is definitely a chicken-and-egg problem when it comes to games
 on Linux.  Game publishers don't target Linux because there are few

There have been a couple of great releases specifically targeting
Linux as a platform.  I'm thinking of Unreal, EVE, and Farcry (i
think?)

It's only a couple of examples, but as I recall, when Unreal and
Unreal Tournament released, they were pretty solid and quite popular.
The lag in releases was minimal from the Windows versions.  They even
had Tux on the box, proudly stating that it ran on Linux.  However, it
was also much harder to install.  Copy what where?  run what as root?
Where's my Menu entry?!

With all of the differing distros, and all of the different ways to
install software (without compiling) it's hard for any releasing
company to package for Linux as a whole.  They should just go the
way that Oracle went and say that they're going to support
Fedora/Redhat, or Ubuntu/Debian, but they didn't and it only added to
the frustration.  Then there's the Sound integration...  You've got
Pulse over here, eSound on that guy, he's playing with ALSA, and OSS
keeps asking for another can of Coke...

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Re: What Language for a kid

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To go against the grain a little here, I'd probably recommend starting with
something a little more touchy-feely, to see if the interest persists.
Start with scratch, it's available for everything, except maybe my toaster,
but it's a little old.  If the building/seeing keeps the interest then move
into the more abstract world of scripting/coding.

Heck, my first experience was Logo on the Apple 2, but I could actually
~see~ what was going on as I learned the concepts.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:42 PM Bill Freeman  wrote:

> Probably not surprising anyone, I'm going to recommend Python.
>
> It lets you dip in to the structure of algorithms without having to first
> learn to manage your own variable allocations, type restrictions, etc.
> Those things can be added later when adding C or Java.
>
> Python is also available by default on Raspbery Pi (and clones), allowing
> more tangible projects.
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Kenny Lussier 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My daughter has expressed an interest in learning to code. It's a
>> non-specific, very general interest. She doesn't have a specific area of
>> interest that she wants to learn (UI, game development, HPC, etc.), she
>> just want to learn how to code.
>>
>> What do people think is the best language for a 12yr old to learn? What
>> is most flexible to use for different purposes? What tools are out there to
>> teach a kid to code? Code Academy and the like seem to be a little dry and
>> never yielded wonderful results for most of the adults I know, so other
>> ideas would be welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kenny
>>
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Re: Motherboardectomy: how to un-bond the CPU's heatsink?

[Star]

I've used the dental-floss trick, well, actually, thin fishing line.  It
worked well enough without the alcohol, it was just a slow, steady process.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:06 PM Joshua Judson Rosen 
wrote:

> Bought a nice CPU a while back, with a cheap motherboard to put it onto
> until I found something better (in retrospect, that was probably silly...).
>
> Finally found a better motherboard, and am now reminde that
> (a) now I need to get the heatsink off of the CPU in order
> to transfer the CPU between the ZIF sockets (since the socket lever
> is covered by the heatsink), and (b) baked thermal paste is
> a remarkably good adhesive.
>
> Somewhat surprisingly..., the CPU is out of the original socket
> at this point--it popped out while I was fiddling with the heatsink.
> I'm going on the assumption that nothing got broken in the process,
> for the time being
>
> Any suggestions on what the right course of action is, here?
>
> Wikihow advises to soak the CPU+heatsink assembly in isopropanol
> and then slicing them apart with dental floss.
>
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CISSP Study Groups in Southern NH?

[Stephen “Star” Jones]

I was wondering if anyone was aware of any Southern NH area CISSP study groups, 
or if there was any interest in maybe putting one together.

I’ve asked the Googles, but thought some good actual experience or knowledge 
would be of value too.

** Backstory 
Working in a company that’s been pinned to obsolete technology for some time 
makes the resume look a little more…  lacking then I would prefer.  Looking for 
relevant expansion that would also keep me entertained.
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