Re: [GNC] Importing Reports into LO Calc

[Robert Heller]

I think the OP's issue is the fact that Calc does not preserve the red
coloring of the negative numbers.  The red coloring of the negative numbers is
something *GnuCash* is doing as a "good accounting practice", but the Calc is
not doing.

At Sat, 9 Mar 2024 18:13:04 -0600 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

>
> 1. Export Report
> 2. Open Calc
> 3. Open the report file in Calc. Result is the report imported into
> cells based on the html table.
>
> or
>
> 1. Export Report
> 2. Open Calc
> 3. Click 'Sheet' Menu, then 'Insert Sheet from file...' and select the
> exported report file. Answer the dialogs, result is same as above.
>
> or
>
> 1. Run Report in GnuCash
> 2. Select All
> 3. Copy
> 4. Open Calc
> 5. Paste, result is same as above
>
> In none of these cases is a web browser involved. (save for the Webkit
> rendering within GnuCash, if you want to be pedantic about browser engines)
>
> I just tried all three, and in each case, there is no change in font or
> alignments.
>
> Perhaps your issues involve whatever intermediary (browser) you are
> involving that is unnecessary.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 3/9/24 10:41 AM, Abe Sternberg wrote:
> > I guess I am a bit dense - old age will do that to you.  Let me try and
> > be a bit more specific on my actions and the errors I get. Below is a
> > screenshot of a budget performance report in GnuCash.
> >
> >
> >
> > Next, I export it to the folder I want it in and open it in Calc. The
> > file opens in a browser tab, and I cut and paste the data into Calc.
> > Notice the different colors used.
> >
> >
> >
> > I wonder why the colors are there in the first place instead of the
> > expected black.  The negative numbers being in red is good accounting
> > practice.  Look at what happens when I copy them into Calc.  Once 
> > again
> > I get a shift in colors and the negative numbers are not in red and
> > cannot be changed using cell format.  Is the problem in GnuCash or in 
> > Calc?
>
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Re: [GNC] Importing Reports into LO Calc

[Robert Heller]

At Sat, 9 Mar 2024 11:41:31 -0500 Abe Sternberg  
wrote:

>
> I guess I am a bit dense - old age will do that to you.  Let me try and
> be a bit more specific on my actions and the errors I get. Below is a
> screenshot of a budget performance report in GnuCash.
>
>
>
> Next, I export it to the folder I want it in and open it in Calc. The
> file opens in a browser tab, and I cut and paste the data into Calc. 
> Notice the different colors used.
>
>
>
> I wonder why the colors are there in the first place instead of the
> expected black. The negative numbers being in red is good accounting
> practice. Look at what happens when I copy them into Calc. Once again
> I get a shift in colors and the negative numbers are not in red and
> cannot be changed using cell format. Is the problem in GnuCash or in Calc?

It is the spreadsheet program (calc).  Spreadsheet programs are not accounting
programs and don't know anything about "good accounting practice".  GnuCash is
an accounting program and does know all about "good accounting practice".

*I* don't know how to fix this.  What are you trying to do with the
spreadsheet program?

>
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Abe
>
>
>
> On 3/8/2024 21:47, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > Abe, next time, please start a new thread by sending a new message to
> > the list rather than replying to someone else's.
> >
> > As for how to get reports into Calc, I usually copy/paste, but you can
> > also just 'open' the exported report, or you can 'insert sheet from
> > file' into an existing workbook. (again, choosing the exported report)
> > When exporting, it probably wouldn't hurt to use an .html filename
> > extension.
> >
> > I have in a few reports seen some alignment issues, but that was due
> > to special padding used by that particular report rather than a
> > cleaner HTML. I think I filed a bug on it.
> >
> > Otherwise, I've had no issues bringing them into Calc.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 3/8/24 1:45 PM, Abe Sternberg wrote:
> >> After a long hiatus from GnuCash and preparing reports, I find that I
> >> am back in that business.  The good news is that I am good to go on
> >> getting my reports structured the way I want. The bad news is that
> >> now I can't figure out how to import the HTML report into Calc.  I
> >> have tried everything I can think of, including cutting and pasting.
> >>
> >> The error is that some fields are imported in a different colored
> >> font, this seems to be limited to numeric fields.  I have another
> >> situation where totals in a table do not cross-foot - they are not
> >> equal when adding row totals across and column totals going down.
> >>
> >> I had this correct, but have forgotten what to do.
> >
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Re: [GNC] Repeatable crashes with 4.14 on 32-bit arm Linux

[Robert Heller]

At Sat, 10 Feb 2024 22:13:14 -0500 (EST) Robert Heller  
wrote:

> 
> 
> At Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:19:40 -0800 John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Robert Heller  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Always when hitting the reconcile button on a credit card account:
> > > 
> > > Could not determine the accessibility bus address
> > > **
> > > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> > >  
> > > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > > Bail out! 
> > > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> > >  
> > > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > > Could not determine the accessibility bus address
> > > **
> > > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> > >  
> > > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > > Bail out! 
> > > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> > >  
> > > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > > 
> > > Things work fine after restarting...
> > 
> > Restarting GnuCash or the computer?
> 
> GnuCash.  (I'm on Linux, not MS-Windows -- I don't randomly reboot my Linux 
> machines.)
> 
> > 
> > The accessibility bus message probably indicates that the DBUS session has 
> > quit for some reason. That part would be external to GnuCash.
> > 
> > The assertion that's failing is about the result of 
> >  count = g_signal_handlers_disconnect_by_func(dialog,
> >   gnc_xfer_dialog_response_cb,
> >   xferData);
> > There should be exactly 1 handler using that gnc_xfer_dialog_response_cb 
> > connected to the signal. It there aren't either the transfer dialog is 
> > trying to run more than one instance (count > 1) or the the handler is 
> > already disconnected (count == 0). I don't think connecting or failing to 
> > connect to the accessibility bus would affect that, but I don't know what 
> > would cause it.
> 
> Is it possible that the transfer dialog might have slipped "underneath" the 
> account window?  I *think* I have properly *Cancel*ed the (extranious) 
> transfer dialogs that popup when I reconcile credit accounts, but on at one 
> occasion I missed the cancel button and just "raised" the account window over 
> the dialog window (I caught that and retried the Cancel button).  The tranfer 
> dialog popups up *both* before the reconcilation dialog and after it (why?).

OK, I just did another batch of CC statements, being extra careful about 
*Cancel*ing the pesky transfer dialog windows, including checking underneath 
the account window.  No crashes... Can these dialogs be disabled?

> 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

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Re: [GNC] Repeatable crashes with 4.14 on 32-bit arm Linux

[Robert Heller]

At Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:19:40 -0800 John Ralls  wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> > On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:19 PM, Robert Heller  wrote:
> > 
> > Always when hitting the reconcile button on a credit card account:
> > 
> > Could not determine the accessibility bus address
> > **
> > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> >  
> > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > Bail out! 
> > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> >  
> > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > Could not determine the accessibility bus address
> > **
> > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> >  
> > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > Bail out! 
> > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> >  
> > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > 
> > Things work fine after restarting...
> 
> Restarting GnuCash or the computer?

GnuCash.  (I'm on Linux, not MS-Windows -- I don't randomly reboot my Linux 
machines.)

> 
> The accessibility bus message probably indicates that the DBUS session has 
> quit for some reason. That part would be external to GnuCash.
> 
> The assertion that's failing is about the result of 
>  count = g_signal_handlers_disconnect_by_func(dialog,
>   gnc_xfer_dialog_response_cb,
>   xferData);
> There should be exactly 1 handler using that gnc_xfer_dialog_response_cb 
> connected to the signal. It there aren't either the transfer dialog is trying 
> to run more than one instance (count > 1) or the the handler is already 
> disconnected (count == 0). I don't think connecting or failing to connect to 
> the accessibility bus would affect that, but I don't know what would cause it.

Is it possible that the transfer dialog might have slipped "underneath" the 
account window?  I *think* I have properly *Cancel*ed the (extranious) 
transfer dialogs that popup when I reconcile credit accounts, but on at one 
occasion I missed the cancel button and just "raised" the account window over 
the dialog window (I caught that and retried the Cancel button).  The tranfer 
dialog popups up *both* before the reconcilation dialog and after it (why?).

> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [GNC] Repeatable crashes with 4.14 on 32-bit arm Linux

[Robert Heller]

I have gotten behind on my reconcilations and today I am catching up.

At Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:09:24 -0600 David Carlson  
wrote:

> 
> If GnuCash crashes once then runs fine after restarting, then that isn't
> always!

No not always: it crashed, I restarted, re-did the handful of things lost with
the crash and then reconciled with out issues. Then went on to the next
statement, this time saving just before hitting the reconcile button. It
crashed again upon hitting reconcile, I restarted and then reconciled with out
issues. Went on to the next (and final for that account) statement and
everything was fine.

Question: I get popup dialogs wanting to make a transfer when I reconcile 
*some* accounts.  For savings accounts this is useful for entering interest 
paid that month.  For credit accounts, I have set up automated payments that 
are already entered via scheduled transactions and handle the interest as 
manual transaction entry before reconciling, so these extra popups are 
unneeded.  Is it possible to disable them?

> 
> Or do you mean that you cannot reconcile one or more credit card accounts?
> 
> I would suggest opening that account register and do a check and repair all
> transactions operation.  If you were to try that from the accounts screen
> you might be waiting all night for GnuCash to finish.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2024, 7:19 PM Robert Heller  wrote:
> 
> > Always when hitting the reconcile button on a credit card account:
> >
> > Could not determine the accessibility bus address
> > **
> > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> >
> > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > Bail out!
> > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> >
> > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > Could not determine the accessibility bus address
> > **
> > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> >
> > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> > Bail out!
> > gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
> >
> > assertion failed: (count == 1)
> >
> > Things work fine after restarting...
> >
> >
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[GNC] Repeatable crashes with 4.14 on 32-bit arm Linux

[Robert Heller]

Always when hitting the reconcile button on a credit card account:

Could not determine the accessibility bus address
**
gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
 
assertion failed: (count == 1)
Bail out! 
gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
 
assertion failed: (count == 1)
Could not determine the accessibility bus address
**
gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
 
assertion failed: (count == 1)
Bail out! 
gnc.gui:ERROR:/home/heller/gnucash-4.14/gnucash/gnome-utils/dialog-transfer.c:2297:gnc_xfer_dialog_run_until_done:
 
assertion failed: (count == 1)

Things work fine after restarting...


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Re: [GNC] GNC UI problem...

[Robert Heller]

At Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:36:39 -0500 "Kalpesh Patel"  
wrote:

> 
> My bad... both instances should be double left clicks for Windows platform...
> 

I'm using Linux...

> 
> If you can get the cursor on top of the vertical bar between the column
> headers, then you can adjust columns individually but by double left clicking
> the header label it will resize to largest text size in that column except for
> the description column which will shrink to remove the horizontal scroll bar
> at the bottom by the double left clicks. 
> 
> The list is cc'ed on the replies... 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> Received: Sat, 10 Feb 2024 02:14:10 PM EST
> From: Tommy Trussell 
> To: Kalpesh Patel Cc: Robert Heller
> , GNU Cash User 
> Subject: [GNC] GNC UI problem...
> 
> > If you find Kalpesh Patel's procedure useful, let the list know. I think
> > the FAQ could be worded a bit more helpfully
> > 
> > On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 1:08 PM Kalpesh Patel 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Double click the left button on the label of each column from right to
> left
> > > direction. And then lastly go back to the heading 'Description" and
> double
> > > click right button to shrink it so that scroll bars go away.
> > >
> > >
> > > Date:   Sat, 10 Feb 2024 12:47:28 -0500 (EST)
> > > From:   Robert Heller 
> > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> > > Subject:[GNC] GNC UI problem...
> > > I am using Version: 4.14 Build ID: 4.14+(2023-03-25) Finance::Quote:
> 1.50,
> > > built from source on a RPi 2 running bullseye Raspbian GNU/Linux 11.
> > >
> > > How do I get the collumns past the Description to be wider (readable)?
> > > Everything I have tried only makes it worse.
> > >
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[GNC] GNC UI problem...

[Robert Heller]

I am using Version: 4.14 Build ID: 4.14+(2023-03-25) Finance::Quote: 1.50, 
built from source on a RPi 2 running bullseye Raspbian GNU/Linux 11.

How do I get the collumns past the Description to be wider (readable)? 
Everything I have tried only makes it worse.

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Re: [GNC] UI Problem with 4.14

[Robert Heller]

At Thu, 7 Dec 2023 15:09:13 -0600 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> On 12/7/23 2:07 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > At Thu, 7 Dec 2023 13:46:19 -0600 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> The Description column always fills the remaining width of the window.
> >>
> >> You adjust the other columns to your liking, then reduce the window
> >> width to shrink the Description column. Otherwise, you can after setting
> >> the other columns, drag the right handle of the Description column to
> >> the left and let it bounce back to fill the remaining space.
> > 
> > So how do a make the columns to the right of the Description column wider?  
> > Do
> > I drag them off the window?  This actually makes no sense.
> 
> Yes, that's how you do it, sort of. And if you try, it does make sense 
> as you see it happen.
> 
> For example, to widen the Account column, drag its right border to the 
> right. (up in the header) The column will widen accordingly, and you 
> will get a left-right scroll bar at the bottom of the window. Resize all 
> columns *other than* the description to your liking, *first*.
> 
> Then, to remove the scroll bar and size the Description to take up the 
> remaining space of the window, (Window Width - Sum of all *other* Column 
> Widths) drag its right-border to the left and let it snap back into 
> place. (hence it auto-sizes)
> 
> > OK, I am totally confused. How do I make a column to the right of the
> > Description wider *without* draging the right handle of the Description 
> > column
> > to the left? 
> 
> See above.
> 
> I don't want to *shrink* the columns to the right of the
> > Description, I want to make one of them wider. How does one do that without
> > shrinking the Description column? Where does the space come from? How does 
> > one
> > add space?
> 
> You are 'adding width' as you resize the other columns which triggers a 
> scroll bar. You then snap the Description column back and the scroll bar 
> goes away.
> 
> What is happening is that there is some total window width W, which
> > is the sum of widths of all of the columns (plus the margin space). If one
> > wants to make some column Cx wider, some other collumn Cy needs to shrink, 
> > but
> > this is impossible if the only column that is "shrinkable" (Cy) is the
> > Description column. I can make columns to the *left* of the Description 
> > wider
> > or narrower, but not the columns to the right of the Description. Any 
> > attempt
> > to make any of them wider ends up making them all narrower until eventually
> > one (or more) of them end up with a width of 0. As far as I am concerned, 
> > this
> > is a bug (and a serious one at that). This makes no sense.
> 
> Yes it does - try it and stop thinking about it.
> 
> > 
> > I have the source code and will go hunting...
> 
> No need for that rabbit hole. Just follow the above. Note, this behavior 
> is described in the Help manual and as Stan noted, there is also an FAQ 
> entry about it. If you really want to see the code, go right ahead, but 
> you're just going to discover what I've described above and is already 
> documented behavior.

All I can say is *no other application* with a resizable column UI that I have 
ever used works that way.  AFAIK, this is unique to Gnucash...  It was totally 
unexpected and *unfriendly* behaviour [to me]. 

> 
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> Adrien
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Re: [GNC] UI Problem with 4.14

[Robert Heller]

At Thu, 7 Dec 2023 13:46:19 -0600 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> The Description column always fills the remaining width of the window.
> 
> You adjust the other columns to your liking, then reduce the window 
> width to shrink the Description column. Otherwise, you can after setting 
> the other columns, drag the right handle of the Description column to 
> the left and let it bounce back to fill the remaining space.

So how do a make the columns to the right of the Description column wider?  Do 
I drag them off the window?  This actually makes no sense.

> 
> If you still find Description longer than you want, and you don't want 
> to narrow the width of the window, adjust the other columns accordingly. 
> I usually adjust the Account column wider in such cases.

OK, I am totally confused. How do I make a column to the right of the
Description wider *without* draging the right handle of the Description column
to the left? I don't want to *shrink* the columns to the right of the
Description, I want to make one of them wider. How does one do that without
shrinking the Description column? Where does the space come from? How does one
add space? What is happening is that there is some total window width W, which
is the sum of widths of all of the columns (plus the margin space). If one
wants to make some column Cx wider, some other collumn Cy needs to shrink, but
this is impossible if the only column that is "shrinkable" (Cy) is the
Description column. I can make columns to the *left* of the Description wider
or narrower, but not the columns to the right of the Description. Any attempt
to make any of them wider ends up making them all narrower until eventually
one (or more) of them end up with a width of 0. As far as I am concerned, this
is a bug (and a serious one at that). This makes no sense.

I have the source code and will go hunting...

> 
> This is nothing new in 4.14, GnuCash has worked this way for many many 
> years.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 12/7/23 12:57 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > I have a UI problem (failure?) running GNC 4.14 under Ubuntu 22.04. I tried 
> > to
> > shrink the Description column (make it narrower) in the general ledger 
> > display
> > of an account, but Description column only wants to get wider. Draging the
> > right edge to the left just "bounces" further to the right, causing the
> > columns to the right of the Description column to shrink. How do I fix 
> > this? I
> > tried exiting and restarting, but the column widths seem to be "remembered"
> > somewhere (where?).
> > 
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[GNC] UI Problem with 4.14

[Robert Heller]

I have a UI problem (failure?) running GNC 4.14 under Ubuntu 22.04. I tried to
shrink the Description column (make it narrower) in the general ledger display
of an account, but Description column only wants to get wider. Draging the
right edge to the left just "bounces" further to the right, causing the
columns to the right of the Description column to shrink. How do I fix this? I
tried exiting and restarting, but the column widths seem to be "remembered"
somewhere (where?).

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Re: [GNC] What is wrong with this custom stylesheet code?

[Robert Heller]

At Tue,  4 Jul 2023 09:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Robert Heller  
wrote:

> 
> OK, I've given up.  I'm going to write a Tcl program to post process the 
> default HTML export and create a LaTeX file.  There is some serious things 
> broken that I cannot figure out.

Actually, I am going to write a Python program (yech) to create the LaTeX 
file and totally give up on printing Invoices from the GnuCash GUI.

> 
> At Mon, 3 Jul 2023 18:57:17 -0700 Vincent Dawans  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > HI Robert:
> > 
> > Here are a few things you need to change:
> > 
> > That very last statement (gnc:make-html-style-sheet "DWS_Stylesheet" (N_
> > "DWS Stylesheet")) the first parameter is actually the template name
> > defined just above, so it should be "DWS Stylesheet" without the
> > underscore. The second parameter is the name of the default stylesheet
> > created based on that template. You can use the same name as the template
> > or you could call your Template "DWS Template" both here and above, as in:
> > 
> > (gnc:define-html-style-sheet
> >  'version 3.0
> >  'name (N_ "DWS Template")
> >  'renderer dws-renderer
> >  'options-generator dws-options)
> > 
> > (gnc:make-html-style-sheet "DWS Template" (N_ "DWS Stylesheet"))
> > 
> > I would also advise you put your code in a separate scm file, for instance
> > dws.scm, then store it in the USER_DATA directory .local/share/gnucash and
> > load it from config-user.scm by adding
> > 
> > (load (gnc-build-userdata-path "dws.scm"))
> > 
> > Finally, possibly you are hitting a bug with the inability to save or there
> > is something I don't know about loading the template because I have the
> > same problem. Actually it's saving fine, you can see it in
> > local/share/gnucash/stylesheets-2.0. It's the loading that's not working. I
> > am wondering if it's not trying to load the saved stylesheet before running
> > config-user.scm and therefore not finding it or something like that. But if
> > I put the scm file directly in the main template directory under gnucash
> > then it works, it's loading the saved settings, so that's a work-around.
> > You don't load it in config-user.scm; instead you copy the file to
> > 
> >  > dir>/gnucash/share/guile/site/2.2/gnucash/report/stylesheets/
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > Vincent Dawans
> > 
> > Then it saves fine for me.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 
> > 7:17 AM Robert Heller 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > I have written a style sheet module and it *seems* to be loading now, but
> > > things are wonky any I don't know why.
> > >
> > > What I am *trying to go:
> > >
> > > 1) Put my company letterhead across the top of the invoice
> > > 2) Put a "button image" (Payments by PayPal) under the invoice table.
> > >
> > > My custom stylesheet code adds two options: the button image and some
> > > (optional) text to put under the button image (typically the e-mail
> > > address to
> > > use as the payment target).
> > >
> > > Several things are not working:
> > >
> > > If I use the Edit->Style Sheets options and create a new stylesheet from 
> > > my
> > > template, the addition options are not available (why?) If I just edit the
> > > template itselt (with Edit->Style Sheets) I can set the header image and
> > > the
> > > button image, and the header image shows up, but not the button image
> > > (why?),
> > > and the options not saved across runs (why?).
> > >
> > > This code used to work just fine with V 2.6.  What has changed?  What do I
> > > need to change?  The attached code was copied and modified from the V4.14
> > > source tree (footer.scm), but obviously something is wrong somewhere.
> > >
> > >
> > > ;;*
> > > ;;
> > > ;;  System:
> > > ;;  Module:
> > > ;;  Object Name   : $RCSfile$
> > > ;;  Revision  : $Revision$
> > > ;;  Date  : $Date$
> > > ;;  Author: $Author$
> > > ;;  Created By: Robert Heller
> > > ;;  Created   : Sun Jul 2 15:09:23 2023
> > > ;;  Last Modified : <230703.1014>
> > > ;;
> > > ;;  Description
> > > ;;
> > > ;;  

Re: [GNC] What is wrong with this custom stylesheet code?

[Robert Heller]

OK, I've given up.  I'm going to write a Tcl program to post process the 
default HTML export and create a LaTeX file.  There is some serious things 
broken that I cannot figure out.

At Mon, 3 Jul 2023 18:57:17 -0700 Vincent Dawans  wrote:

> 
> HI Robert:
> 
> Here are a few things you need to change:
> 
> That very last statement (gnc:make-html-style-sheet "DWS_Stylesheet" (N_
> "DWS Stylesheet")) the first parameter is actually the template name
> defined just above, so it should be "DWS Stylesheet" without the
> underscore. The second parameter is the name of the default stylesheet
> created based on that template. You can use the same name as the template
> or you could call your Template "DWS Template" both here and above, as in:
> 
> (gnc:define-html-style-sheet
>  'version 3.0
>  'name (N_ "DWS Template")
>  'renderer dws-renderer
>  'options-generator dws-options)
> 
> (gnc:make-html-style-sheet "DWS Template" (N_ "DWS Stylesheet"))
> 
> I would also advise you put your code in a separate scm file, for instance
> dws.scm, then store it in the USER_DATA directory .local/share/gnucash and
> load it from config-user.scm by adding
> 
> (load (gnc-build-userdata-path "dws.scm"))
> 
> Finally, possibly you are hitting a bug with the inability to save or there
> is something I don't know about loading the template because I have the
> same problem. Actually it's saving fine, you can see it in
> local/share/gnucash/stylesheets-2.0. It's the loading that's not working. I
> am wondering if it's not trying to load the saved stylesheet before running
> config-user.scm and therefore not finding it or something like that. But if
> I put the scm file directly in the main template directory under gnucash
> then it works, it's loading the saved settings, so that's a work-around.
> You don't load it in config-user.scm; instead you copy the file to
> 
>  dir>/gnucash/share/guile/site/2.2/gnucash/report/stylesheets/
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Vincent Dawans
> 
> Then it saves fine for me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 7:17 AM Robert Heller  
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > I have written a style sheet module and it *seems* to be loading now, but
> > things are wonky any I don't know why.
> >
> > What I am *trying to go:
> >
> > 1) Put my company letterhead across the top of the invoice
> > 2) Put a "button image" (Payments by PayPal) under the invoice table.
> >
> > My custom stylesheet code adds two options: the button image and some
> > (optional) text to put under the button image (typically the e-mail
> > address to
> > use as the payment target).
> >
> > Several things are not working:
> >
> > If I use the Edit->Style Sheets options and create a new stylesheet from my
> > template, the addition options are not available (why?) If I just edit the
> > template itselt (with Edit->Style Sheets) I can set the header image and
> > the
> > button image, and the header image shows up, but not the button image
> > (why?),
> > and the options not saved across runs (why?).
> >
> > This code used to work just fine with V 2.6.  What has changed?  What do I
> > need to change?  The attached code was copied and modified from the V4.14
> > source tree (footer.scm), but obviously something is wrong somewhere.
> >
> >
> > ;;*
> > ;;
> > ;;  System:
> > ;;  Module:
> > ;;  Object Name   : $RCSfile$
> > ;;  Revision  : $Revision$
> > ;;  Date  : $Date$
> > ;;  Author: $Author$
> > ;;  Created By: Robert Heller
> > ;;  Created   : Sun Jul 2 15:09:23 2023
> > ;;  Last Modified : <230703.1014>
> > ;;
> > ;;  Description
> > ;;
> > ;;  Notes
> > ;;
> > ;;  History
> > ;;
> >
> > ;;*
> > ;;# @copyright
> > ;;Copyright (C) 2023  Robert Heller D/B/A Deepwoods Software
> > ;;  51 Locke Hill Road
> > ;;  Wendell, MA 01379-9728
> > ;;
> > ;;This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
> > ;;it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
> > ;;the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
> > ;;(at your option) any later versi

Re: [GNC] Where is config-user.scm supposed to be under Linux

[Robert Heller]

At Mon, 3 Jul 2023 16:04:23 -0400 Jean-David Beyer  
wrote:

> 
> On 7/3/23 15:28, David H wrote:
> > Sure is, which is why I phrased my reply as more of a question :-)  Sorry I
> > should have suggested doing "Help >> About" - the popup shows a lot of
> > config file locations and might be a better guide
> > 
> > Cheers David H.
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 at 21:26, Robert Heller  wrote:
> > 
> >> At Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:28:18 +1000 David H  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Robert,
> >>>
> >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations doesn't help ?
> >>
> >> Nope.  At least it doesn't help as far as I can tell.  It is a bit
> >> confusing
> >> though.  It talks about $HOME/.gnucash and $HOME/.local/share/gnucash and
> >> I am
> >> not totally sure which is correct for V4.14.  I have determined that
> >> $HOME/.local/share/gnucash/ is used for stylesheets-2.0, since that file
> >> in
> >> that location gets updated after I fire up gnucash and exit.  It just
> >> doesn't
> >> appear the config-user.scm ever gets loaded.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers David H.
> >>>
> 
> Well, I am running Red Hat Enterprise Linux release 8.8 (Ootpa) and
> GnuCash
> Version: 4.2
> Build ID: 4.2+(2020-09-26)
> Finance::Quote: -
> 
> It seems config-user.scm is nowhere on my machine. Yet Gnucash seems to 
> work just fine.

config-user.scm is only needed if you are loading user-supplied Scheme.

It belongs in $HOME/.config/gnucash (appearently).  The Wiki is vauge and 
confusing.  Doing a gnucash --paths helped.

> 
> $ locate config-user.scm
> $
> 
> 
> 
> 

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[GNC] What is wrong with this custom stylesheet code?

[Robert Heller]

I have written a style sheet module and it *seems* to be loading now, but 
things are wonky any I don't know why.

What I am *trying to go:

1) Put my company letterhead across the top of the invoice
2) Put a "button image" (Payments by PayPal) under the invoice table.

My custom stylesheet code adds two options: the button image and some 
(optional) text to put under the button image (typically the e-mail address to 
use as the payment target).

Several things are not working:

If I use the Edit->Style Sheets options and create a new stylesheet from my
template, the addition options are not available (why?) If I just edit the
template itselt (with Edit->Style Sheets) I can set the header image and the
button image, and the header image shows up, but not the button image (why?),
and the options not saved across runs (why?). 

This code used to work just fine with V 2.6.  What has changed?  What do I 
need to change?  The attached code was copied and modified from the V4.14 
source tree (footer.scm), but obviously something is wrong somewhere.

;;*
;;
;;  System: 
;;  Module: 
;;  Object Name   : $RCSfile$
;;  Revision  : $Revision$
;;  Date  : $Date$
;;  Author: $Author$
;;  Created By    : Robert Heller
;;  Created   : Sun Jul 2 15:09:23 2023
;;  Last Modified : <230703.1014>
;;
;;  Description 
;;
;;  Notes
;;
;;  History
;;  
;;*
;;# @copyright
;;    Copyright (C) 2023  Robert Heller D/B/A Deepwoods Software
;;  51 Locke Hill Road
;;  Wendell, MA 01379-9728
;;
;;This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;;it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;;the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
;;(at your option) any later version.
;;
;;This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;;but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;;MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;;GNU General Public License for more details.
;;
;;You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;;along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
;;Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;; @file dws-stylesheet.scm
;; @author Robert Heller
;; @date Sun Jul 2 15:09:23 2023
;; 
;;
;;*

(define-module (gnucash report stylesheets DWS))

(use-modules (gnucash engine))
(use-modules (gnucash utilities))
(use-modules (gnucash core-utils))
(use-modules (gnucash app-utils))
(use-modules (gnucash report))
(use-modules (gnucash html))

(define (dws-options)
  (let* ((options (gnc:new-options))
 (opt-register
  (lambda (opt)
(gnc:register-option options opt

(opt-register
 (gnc:make-string-option
  (N_ "General")
  (N_ "Preparer") "a"
  (N_ "Name of person preparing the report.")
  ""))

(opt-register
 (gnc:make-string-option
  (N_ "General")
  (N_ "Prepared for") "b"
  (N_ "Name of organization or company prepared for.")
  ""))

(opt-register
 (gnc:make-simple-boolean-option
  (N_ "General")
  (N_ "Show preparer info") "c"
  (N_ "Name of organization or company.")
  #f))

(opt-register
 (gnc:make-simple-boolean-option
  (N_ "General")
  (N_ "Enable Links") "d"
  (N_ "Enable hyperlinks in reports.")
  #t))

(opt-register
 (gnc:make-text-option
  (N_ "General")
  (N_ "Footer") "e"
  (N_ "String to be placed as a footer.")
  ""))

(opt-register
 (gnc:make-pixmap-option
  (N_ "Images")
  (N_ "Background Tile") "a" (N_ "Background tile for reports.")
  ""))

(opt-register
 (gnc:make-pixmap-option
  (N_ "Images")
;;; Translators: Banner is an image like Logo.
  (N_ "Heading Banner") "b" (N_ "Banner for top of report.")
  ""))

(opt-register
 (gnc:make-multichoice-option
  (N_ "Images")
  (N_ "Heading Alignment") "c" (N_ "Banner for top of report.")
  'left
  (list (vector 'left (N_ "Left"))
(vector 'center (N_ "Center"))
(vector 'right (N_ "Right")

(opt-register
 (gnc:make-pixmap-option
  (N_ "Images")
  (N_ "Logo") "d" 

Re: [GNC] Where is config-user.scm supposed to be under Linux

[Robert Heller]

At Mon,  3 Jul 2023 07:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Robert Heller  
wrote:

> 
> At Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:28:18 +1000 David H  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi Robert,
> > 
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations doesn't help ?
> 
> Nope.  At least it doesn't help as far as I can tell.  It is a bit confusing 
> though.  It talks about $HOME/.gnucash and $HOME/.local/share/gnucash and I 
> am 
> not totally sure which is correct for V4.14.  I have determined that 
> $HOME/.local/share/gnucash/ is used for stylesheets-2.0, since that file in 
> that location gets updated after I fire up gnucash and exit.  It just doesn't 
> appear the config-user.scm ever gets loaded.

OK, running "gnucash --paths" on the command line reveals another location: 
$HOME/.config/gnucash, putting config-user.scm there seems to get it loaded, 
but I am getting the message:

WARNING: Use of `load' in declarative module (gnucash utilities).  Add 
#:declarative? #f to your define-module invocation.

What does this mean?

config-user.scm contains:

(display "Hello World (.config/gnucash)")
(newline)
(load "/home/heller/gnucash/dws-stylesheet.scm")
(let ((template (gnc:html-style-sheet-template-find "DWS")))
  (if template 
(let ((options ((gnc:html-style-sheet-template-options-generator 
template

 (gnc:restore-html-style-sheet "Deepwoods Software Stylesheet" "DWS" options


/home/heller/gnucash/dws-stylesheet.scm starts with:


(define-module (gnucash report stylesheets DWS))

(use-modules (gnucash engine))
(use-modules (gnucash utilities))
(use-modules (gnucash core-utils))
(use-modules (gnucash app-utils))
(use-modules (gnucash report))
(use-modules (gnucash html))

and ends with:


(gnc:define-html-style-sheet
 'version 3.0
 'name (N_ "DWS")
 'renderer dws-renderer
 'options-generator dws-options)

(gnc:make-html-style-sheet "DWS" (N_ "DWS"))

Most of this file is just copied from 

.../gnucash-4.14/gnucash/report/stylesheets/footer.scm

with some added options added to the options function and some rendering code 
added to the renderer function.

What am I missing?

I'm beginning to think adding custom code is going to require hacking directly
on the source code and re-compiling. Really? (I may end up doing that anyway.)

> 
> > 
> > Cheers David H.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 at 10:50 am, Robert Heller  wrote:
> > 
> > > Which directory should config-user.scm be in?
> > >
> > > $HOME/.local/share/gnucash
> > > OR
> > > $HOME/.gnucash
> > >
> > > This is for Version 4.14, build under Linux (Ubuntu 22.04).
> > >
> > > I am not able to tell if the file is being loaded.  From what I can tell
> > > it is
> > > not loading config-user.scm.  This is the file name the wiki says to put
> > > user
> > > scheme code in, but I am doubtful about that. Is this really the correct
> > > file?
> > > I am not getting any indication that it is being loaded, not even 
> > > errors...
> > >
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Re: [GNC] Where is config-user.scm supposed to be under Linux

[Robert Heller]

At Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:28:18 +1000 David H  wrote:

> 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations doesn't help ?

Nope.  At least it doesn't help as far as I can tell.  It is a bit confusing 
though.  It talks about $HOME/.gnucash and $HOME/.local/share/gnucash and I am 
not totally sure which is correct for V4.14.  I have determined that 
$HOME/.local/share/gnucash/ is used for stylesheets-2.0, since that file in 
that location gets updated after I fire up gnucash and exit.  It just doesn't 
appear the config-user.scm ever gets loaded.

> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 at 10:50 am, Robert Heller  wrote:
> 
> > Which directory should config-user.scm be in?
> >
> > $HOME/.local/share/gnucash
> > OR
> > $HOME/.gnucash
> >
> > This is for Version 4.14, build under Linux (Ubuntu 22.04).
> >
> > I am not able to tell if the file is being loaded.  From what I can tell
> > it is
> > not loading config-user.scm.  This is the file name the wiki says to put
> > user
> > scheme code in, but I am doubtful about that. Is this really the correct
> > file?
> > I am not getting any indication that it is being loaded, not even errors...
> >
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[GNC] Where is config-user.scm supposed to be under Linux

[Robert Heller]

Which directory should config-user.scm be in?

$HOME/.local/share/gnucash
OR
$HOME/.gnucash

This is for Version 4.14, build under Linux (Ubuntu 22.04).

I am not able to tell if the file is being loaded.  From what I can tell it is 
not loading config-user.scm.  This is the file name the wiki says to put user 
scheme code in, but I am doubtful about that. Is this really the correct file? 
I am not getting any indication that it is being loaded, not even errors...
 
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Re: [GNC] HELP! Invoice Stylesheet, how to? V4.8

[Robert Heller]

At Sun, 2 Jul 2023 17:41:48 -0500 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> Try:
> 
> Edit > Style Sheets > New > Template = CSS, give it a name,
> 
> then copy/paste your CSS code.

This does not help me -- my changes add some HTML, not CSS.  I've found CSS 
really tricky and very hard to get what I want.

CSS is good (sort of) for changing how something looks, but` it is not so good
for adding content. I *guess* that might be possible, but that is beyond my
ability -- I'm a programmer, not a web designer (misquoting Dr. McCoy).

What you are saying there is no way of doing this (anymore)?  It used to work 
and I have code that probably should still work, but there is no way loading 
it? 

> 
> I'm not sure how to go about it via config.user or outside of the GUI.
> 
> The above method should allow you to select it in reports. If you set a 
> particular invoice template to use it, you can then set that template as 
> a default for easy future use. (without resorting to a Saved Report 
> Configuration)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 7/2/23 2:54 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > OK, I have created a new stylesheet renderer, but how to I get it into the
> > menus?
> > 
> > I have this in ~/.local/share/gnucash/config.user:
> > 
> > ;; Hacked from: 
> > /usr/local/share/guile/site/3.0/gnucash/report/stylesheets/footer.scm
> > (load "/home/heller/gnucash/dws-stylesheet.scm")
> > 
> > ;; copied and hacked from ~/.local/share/gnucash/stylesheets-2.0
> > (let ((template (gnc:html-style-sheet-template-find "DWS")))
> >(if template
> >  (let ((options ((gnc:html-style-sheet-template-options-generator 
> > template
> > 
> >   (gnc:restore-html-style-sheet "Deepwoods Software Stylesheet" "DWS" 
> > options
> > 
> > But my stylesheet is not showing up anywhere... not getting any errors or
> > messages (other then telling me about finding Finance::Quote version 1.51).
> > 
> > (Is ~/.local/share/gnucash/config.user the correct file to put the load in?)
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Re: [GNC] HELP! Invoice Stylesheet, how to? V4.8

[Robert Heller]

At Sat,  1 Jul 2023 11:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Robert Heller  
wrote:

> 
> At Sat, 1 Jul 2023 09:36:19 -0500 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Ah, you want TWO images. (Your own logo, plus the PayPal logo)
> > 
> > My guess would be a custom report (via Scheme) or maybe via CSS as I 
> > mentioned with a :before or :after pseudo class that inserts the image 
> > somewhere but I haven't tested that approach with GnuCash. (I can't see 
> > why it wouldn't work though)
> 
> There is the Wiki page on custom reports, but I'll have to check it out.  I 
> did this once before back in the days of 1.x and/or 2.x (don't remember when 
> exactly).  I have the old code lying around -- guessing I can probably 
> adapt/update it.

OK, I have created a new stylesheet renderer, but how to I get it into the 
menus?

I have this in ~/.local/share/gnucash/config.user:

;; Hacked from: 
/usr/local/share/guile/site/3.0/gnucash/report/stylesheets/footer.scm
(load "/home/heller/gnucash/dws-stylesheet.scm")

;; copied and hacked from ~/.local/share/gnucash/stylesheets-2.0
(let ((template (gnc:html-style-sheet-template-find "DWS")))
  (if template 
(let ((options ((gnc:html-style-sheet-template-options-generator 
template 

 (gnc:restore-html-style-sheet "Deepwoods Software Stylesheet" "DWS" options

But my stylesheet is not showing up anywhere... not getting any errors or 
messages (other then telling me about finding Finance::Quote version 1.51).

(Is ~/.local/share/gnucash/config.user the correct file to put the load in?)

> 
> > 
> > You won't find instructions anywhere in the GnuCash documentation for 
> > this, you'll just need to tinker and do studying outside a la Scheme and 
> > CSS/HTML.
> 
> Not really a problem for me.  I am proficent in Lisp (Scheme is just a Lisp 
> variant).  I know HTML and CSS as well.
> 
> > 
> > An alternative might be to make a logo image that has both yours and the 
> > PayPal logo in it with a white or transparent background so they appear 
> > as separate images - maybe one to the left, the other to the right, for 
> > example, and then place and size the image so it looks reasonable in the 
> > header.
> 
> My "header" image is the full width of the page (this is working properly). 
> The other is a "button" image that goes somewhere below the invoice content 
> (exactly where depends on how much space the invoice content takes up -- eg 
> how many line items are in the invoice).
> 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> > 
> > On 7/1/23 7:17 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > > I've already gotten the header set up, but there does not seem to be a 
> > > place
> > > to put the other image.  I think I need to create a new image location.  
> > > I did
> > > that in the older versions with some Scheme code.  I'm guessing I need to 
> > > do
> > > something similar, but it is not clear how to do that.
> > 
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Re: [GNC] HELP! Invoice Stylesheet, how to? V4.8

[Robert Heller]

At Sat, 1 Jul 2023 09:36:19 -0500 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> Ah, you want TWO images. (Your own logo, plus the PayPal logo)
> 
> My guess would be a custom report (via Scheme) or maybe via CSS as I 
> mentioned with a :before or :after pseudo class that inserts the image 
> somewhere but I haven't tested that approach with GnuCash. (I can't see 
> why it wouldn't work though)

There is the Wiki page on custom reports, but I'll have to check it out.  I 
did this once before back in the days of 1.x and/or 2.x (don't remember when 
exactly).  I have the old code lying around -- guessing I can probably 
adapt/update it.

> 
> You won't find instructions anywhere in the GnuCash documentation for 
> this, you'll just need to tinker and do studying outside a la Scheme and 
> CSS/HTML.

Not really a problem for me.  I am proficent in Lisp (Scheme is just a Lisp 
variant).  I know HTML and CSS as well.

> 
> An alternative might be to make a logo image that has both yours and the 
> PayPal logo in it with a white or transparent background so they appear 
> as separate images - maybe one to the left, the other to the right, for 
> example, and then place and size the image so it looks reasonable in the 
> header.

My "header" image is the full width of the page (this is working properly). 
The other is a "button" image that goes somewhere below the invoice content 
(exactly where depends on how much space the invoice content takes up -- eg 
how many line items are in the invoice).

> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 7/1/23 7:17 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > I've already gotten the header set up, but there does not seem to be a place
> > to put the other image.  I think I need to create a new image location.  I 
> > did
> > that in the older versions with some Scheme code.  I'm guessing I need to do
> > something similar, but it is not clear how to do that.
> 
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Re: [GNC] HELP! Invoice Stylesheet, how to? V4.8

[Robert Heller]

At Fri, 30 Jun 2023 23:21:06 -0500 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> Once you have an Invoice Report on screen, click the Options button and 
> the Layout tab.
> 
> In the header, you can specify a place for a picture, and then further 
> down, you can specify the location for that image file.

I've already gotten the header set up, but there does not seem to be a place 
to put the other image.  I think I need to create a new image location.  I did 
that in the older versions with some Scheme code.  I'm guessing I need to do 
something similar, but it is not clear how to do that.

> 
> You could likely do something with CSS as well, I'm sure with a crafty 
> pseudo class like :before or :after one of the table elements.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 6/30/23 3:06 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At this point there is one little bit of the style
> > sheet hackery I need some help with: I want to add something to the invoices
> > -- a PayPal payment image (logo). I'm not sure how to do that and syspect 
> > that
> > the GUI does not provide that sort of hook. I did it back in the old days by
> > writing a scheme file -- it is level of hackery still possible? If so, how 
> > is
> > that done with V4.14?
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Re: [GNC] HELP! Invoice Stylesheet, how to? V4.8

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At Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:03:58 -0500 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak
> 
> It's in the Release Notes posted here on the list and on the website.
> 
> Perhaps file an Enhancement Request to put that link at the top of the 
> Website along with the other links to binaries & sources.

At this point it is "too late" -- I have managed to successfully build 4.14
from sources and it behaves better, including *partially* solving the style
sheet issues I was having. At this point there is one little bit of the style
sheet hackery I need some help with: I want to add something to the invoices
-- a PayPal payment image (logo). I'm not sure how to do that and syspect that
the GUI does not provide that sort of hook. I did it back in the old days by
writing a scheme file -- it is level of hackery still possible? If so, how is
that done with V4.14?

> 
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 6/30/23 12:52 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Fri, 30 Jun 2023 12:30:47 -0500 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> There's a flatpak option now if you don't want to build.
> > 
> > Where?  There isn't any obvious links anywhere, just source plus binaries 
> > for
> > MS-Windows and MacOSX.
> > 
> > (It is building it now, after a bit of strugling with apt -- some of the 
> > -dev
> > files required the base libraries to be downgraded...)
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Re: [GNC] HELP! Invoice Stylesheet, how to? V4.8

[Robert Heller]

At Fri, 30 Jun 2023 12:30:47 -0500 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> There's a flatpak option now if you don't want to build.

Where?  There isn't any obvious links anywhere, just source plus binaries for 
MS-Windows and MacOSX.

(It is building it now, after a bit of strugling with apt -- some of the -dev
files required the base libraries to be downgraded...)

> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 6/30/23 12:09 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:37:57 -0500 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> I think 4.14 is the last of the series. Maybe try that? I do recall some
> >> report crashes that were fixed around the end of the 4.x series which
> >> could be related.
> > 
> > So, I would have to build it from source?  I don't see any binaries for
> > *Linux* (Ubuntu 22.04 x86_64).
> 
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Re: [GNC] HELP! Invoice Stylesheet, how to? V4.8

[Robert Heller]

At Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:37:57 -0500 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> I think 4.14 is the last of the series. Maybe try that? I do recall some 
> report crashes that were fixed around the end of the 4.x series which 
> could be related.

So, I would have to build it from source?  I don't see any binaries for 
*Linux* (Ubuntu 22.04 x86_64).

> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 6/30/23 10:00 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > OK, even worse, Gnucash (4.8) is now *crashing* when I try to print the
> > invoice with the default stylesheet.
> > 
> > At Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Robert Heller 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> I had some nicely designed stylesheets for my Invoices working with V2.6, 
> >> but
> >> with V4.8, they are (appearently) gone (well, I still have the scheme 
> >> files,
> >> but V4.8 is not seeing them). I just created a new stylesheet using the GUI
> >> [Edit=>Style Sheets] (is there a programmatical way to create style sheets?
> >> Scheme? Python? Something else? (css?).), and the new style sheet shows up 
> >> in
> >> the list of possible style sheets, but does not seem to work...
> >>
> > 
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Re: [GNC] HELP! Invoice Stylesheet, how to? V4.8

[Robert Heller]

OK, even worse, Gnucash (4.8) is now *crashing* when I try to print the 
invoice with the default stylesheet.

At Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Robert Heller  
wrote:

> 
> I had some nicely designed stylesheets for my Invoices working with V2.6, but
> with V4.8, they are (appearently) gone (well, I still have the scheme files,
> but V4.8 is not seeing them). I just created a new stylesheet using the GUI
> [Edit=>Style Sheets] (is there a programmatical way to create style sheets?
> Scheme? Python? Something else? (css?).), and the new style sheet shows up in
> the list of possible style sheets, but does not seem to work...
> 

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[GNC] HELP! Invoice Stylesheet, how to? V4.8

[Robert Heller]

I had some nicely designed stylesheets for my Invoices working with V2.6, but
with V4.8, they are (appearently) gone (well, I still have the scheme files,
but V4.8 is not seeing them). I just created a new stylesheet using the GUI
[Edit=>Style Sheets] (is there a programmatical way to create style sheets?
Scheme? Python? Something else? (css?).), and the new style sheet shows up in
the list of possible style sheets, but does not seem to work...

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[GNC] Reading a 2.6. GnuCash file (compressed XML) with 4.8?

[Robert Heller]

I just upgraded my Ubuntu desktop machine from 18.04 (now EOL) to 22.04, which 
jumps the repo supplied version of GnuCash from 2.6.something to 4.8.  Will 
4.8 load my 2.6. file properly?

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Re: [GNC] Locking the side bar items

[Robert Heller]

I don't know about either MacOSX or MS-Windows, but there is a "Quit" item on 
the File menu that does in fact quit the program.

At Wed, 12 Apr 2023 18:07:22 +0100 G R Hewitt  wrote:

> 
> > I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better
> still
> > done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change it to
> > 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program
> 
> That button does *not* 'Quit GnuCash' and is not anywhere described as
> such. It closes the active tab only. It does not say 'Quit' it says
> 'Close', but I do think it could be more clear and instead say: 'Close Tab'.
> 
> 
> Yes I know, I was making a suggestion to change it's function to quitting
> the program fully.
> Apologies if I failed to make that clear. In MacOS not all programs quit
> when
> clicking the red button, they stay active but not visible.
> 'Close Tab' would be an acceptable change too - making clear what the
> button does close.
> 
> Regards G
> 
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 17:36, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
> 
> > On 4/12/23 9:32 AM, G R Hewitt wrote:
> > > Thanks Alan, for your suggestion.
> > >
> > > I know the tabs can be put anywhere on the four points of the compass,
> > > and I have tried them all: I like them where they are, on the left hand
> > > side.
> > >
> > > My question was if there was a way to lock them so that they cannot be
> > > closed -
> > > like the original 'Accounts' page has no 'X', though additional ones do.
> >
> > What you are describing is similar to 'pinning' tabs in web browsers.
> >
> > That would be an interesting enhancement, especially for a dashboard
> > type of report display. (there is such a sample report in the Reports >
> > Multicolumn menu)
> >
> > >
> > > I agree with others that the 'Close' button could be moved, or better
> > still
> > > done away with, I think it serves no useful purpose. Perhaps change it to
> > > 'Quit GnuCash' and really quit the program
> >
> > That button does *not* 'Quit GnuCash' and is not anywhere described as
> > such. It closes the active tab only. It does not say 'Quit' it says
> > 'Close', but I do think it could be more clear and instead say: 'Close
> > Tab'.
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Building 5.0 on Ubuntu 18.04

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ooking for include file stdlib.h
> -- Looking for include file stdlib.h - found
> -- Looking for include file string.h
> -- Looking for include file string.h - found
> -- Looking for include file strings.h
> -- Looking for include file strings.h - found
> -- Looking for include file sys/stat.h
> -- Looking for include file sys/stat.h - found
> -- Looking for include file sys/time.h
> -- Looking for include file sys/time.h - found
> -- Looking for include file sys/times.h
> -- Looking for include file sys/times.h - found
> -- Looking for include file sys/types.h
> -- Looking for include file sys/types.h - found
> -- Looking for include file sys/wait.h
> -- Looking for include file sys/wait.h - found
> -- Looking for include file unistd.h
> -- Looking for include file unistd.h - found
> -- Looking for include file utmp.h
> -- Looking for include file utmp.h - found
> -- Looking for include file wctype.h
> -- Looking for include file wctype.h - found
> -- Check if the system is big endian
> -- Searching 16 bit integer
> -- Looking for stddef.h
> -- Looking for stddef.h - found
> -- Check size of unsigned short
> -- Check size of unsigned short - done
> -- Using unsigned short
> -- Check if the system is big endian - little endian
> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:776 (target_compile_definitions):
>   Cannot specify compile definitions for imported target "PkgConfig::GLIB2".

sudo apt install libglib2.0-dev libglib2.0-dev-bin

Should fix this.


> 
> 
> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:782 (target_compile_definitions):
>   Cannot specify compile definitions for imported target "PkgConfig::GTK3".
> 

You will probably have to upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 to fix this.

> 
> -- Performing Test standard_math_library_linked_to_automatically
> -- Performing Test standard_math_library_linked_to_automatically - Success
> -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
> See also "/home/tom/dev/build-gnucash-5.0/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log".
> See also "/home/tom/dev/build-gnucash-5.0/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log".
> 
> 
> I've checked all of the required deps in the README.dependencies and
> believe I have them all.  I've googled around and I don't see any answers.
> Has anyone else run into a similar error building on other platforms?
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Re: [GNC] Temporary Website URL

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Re: [GNC] Can a bank account have sub-accounts?

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At Mon, 13 Mar 2023 23:55:05 +1000 Mort Q  wrote:

> 
> Hi all
> I act as Treasurer for a community organisation, and want to look for a way
> that GnuCash can subdivide the money in the bank account into planned
> expenses e.g. a few members do ongoing fund raising for equipment, so could
> I make a sub-account of the bank account called "Equipment enhancement"?
> When making a deposit, allocate that money to "Assets:Current Assets:Bank
> Account:Equipment Enhancement" instead of the currently-used
> "Assets:Current Assets:Bank Account".
> 
> Currently, we just have the one account called "Bank Account" in the Assets
> tree, and I keep a separate spreadsheet with the allocation break up.  I
> have to remember to do the extra work to keep the spreadsheet up to date.
> In my previous life, I learnt that it was better to have a single point of
> truth for data.
> 
> I am thinking I will end up with an account tree like
> Assets:
>-Current Assets:
> -Accounts Receivable
> -Bank Account:  (will still need this to be reported on for audits,
> etc, as a single account)
>   -General Funds
>   -Equipment Enhancement
>   -Saved for something else
>   -etc
> Does this make sense?  Or am I missing something?
> Or creating a nightmare that will come back and bite me when I try to do
> reports, etc later?
> 
> Clearly, I am not an accountant, and a self-taught GnuCash user.

Clearly :-).

You are not fully understanding double-entry bookkeeping and how GnuCash works 
and is generally meant to be used.

Yes, you can have sub-accounts under Bank Account, but probably should be 
looking at creating a budget.

You should *also* create additional accounts for the various expenses and so 
on as well.

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> Thanks
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Re: [GNC] Credit/Debit vs Withdrwal/Deposit

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I believe this is a function of the account type.  "Bank" accounts get the 
Withdrawal and Deposit labels, and others get labeled the Debit and Credit (I 
think credit [card] accounts get labeled with Charge and Payment).

At Sun, 5 Feb 2023 15:50:18 -0500 King Mak  wrote:

> 
> Good day,
> 
> How does one change the word Debit and Credit to Withdrawal and Deposit?
> 
> Thank you
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Re: [GNC] Issuing a credit to customer

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At Mon, 30 Jan 2023 16:29:06 -0500 Ryan Carver  wrote:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am curious how one may resolve the following scenario in Gnucash.
> 
> A client sent me a payment check in the mail for $1,450.  The check was
> lost in the mail so my client issued me a new check and I successfully
> received and processed the payment in Gnucash.
> 
> Then a few months later the missing check appeared and I mistakenly
> deposited the check without cross-referencing the check date and amount
> (lesson learned there).  Now I have $1,450 extra in my checking account.
> My client asked I just issue them a credit on their next invoice.
> 
> So my question is two-fold:
> 
> 1)  How would I categorize the extra $1,450 since the original invoice has
> already been marked paid?  Marking it as "assign as payment" does not seem
> correct since there is no invoice to apply it to.  I was thinking I could
> assign it to "Income - Sales" or possibly "Income - Other" and not process
> it as a payment.
> 
> 2)  How would I issue the Credit Note back to the client to be applied on
> future invoices?

When a client has "overpaid" me (including "pay in advance"), I just process
it as a payment. This puts it in the "accounts receivable" account for that
customer (just like a payment), but since there is no invoice to "subtract"
the payment from, the "accounts receivable" for that customer has a surplus. A
future invoice will chip away at that surplus.  

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Are accountants happy with CVS exports?

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At Thu, 5 Jan 2023 11:52:04 -0500 stepbystepf...@comcast.net wrote:

> 
> This discussion merits a comment.
> 
> ALL .csv means is an indication that the data is in a file of "records" 
> each of which contains data fields separated by commas. It does not mean 
> ANYTHING about what the fields mean (what sort of data is there) or what 
> is the logical order of the fields.

Does gnucash include a "header row"?  If so, this will provide a level of 
"documentation" of what the data is.

> 
> Thus a record with the data  A,BAC,WYZ,LMNOP  would be a perfectly well 
> ordered record with four fields separated by commas. But it would have 
> no meaning to your accountant.
> 
> So what we are really talking about "would an accountant be happy with 
> data exported from gnucash in .csv (with the fields that gmucash puts 
> into these records, in the order in which gnucash puts them, etc.). For 
> example, the data that the accountant want might be there but not in the 
> order expected by his or her software.
> 
> << those of you using a 'nix OS should be able to write a shell script 
> to rearrange the order --Note that this cannot be a responsibility of 
> gnucash to :get the order right" as no way to know what order is 
> required. AFAIK there is no accepted standard << but if there were, then 
> a request "make the export/imports of gnucash match this published 
> standard" would be a legitimate request >>

I would expect that the .csv file could be imported in a "modern" spreadsheet
program (Excel, localc, etc.) by the accountant. If there is a header row, the
columns would be labeled. I expect most modern spreadsheet programs can
re-order columns.

> 
> 
> Michael D Novack
> 
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Re: [GNC] Improvement suggestion

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At Fri, 23 Dec 2022 10:34:44 +1000 Daryl Hillgrove  
wrote:

> 
> Can a simple backup function be added to gnucash?
> 
> I am very concerned that if my computer fails I will lose all my data. I
> want to store the backup data to external storage such as a memory stick.
> 

This can be achieved by just copying the *.gnucash file to your external 
storage device.  GnuCash *already* makes backup copies of its datafile, in the 
directory (folder) where the datafile lives.

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> 
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Re: [GNC] Can someone confirm if this split transaction is correct?

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At Mon, 12 Dec 2022 15:12:55 -0600 (CST) Mark Penner  
wrote:

> 
> 
> Dec 12, 2022 14:39:13 Dr. David Kirkby :
> 
> > So at one point your PayPal account has the full amount, then you split
> > that, so the fees are removed?
> 
> When you process payment, you'll get a transaction like:
> Debit  Paypal: 906
> Credit A/R: 906
> 
> Edit that transaction by subtracting the fee from the amount debited to 
> PayPal and make a debit to Fees. The transaction should then look 
> something like:
> Debit  Paypal: 867.74
> Debit Fees: 38.26
> Credit A/R: 906

I just add two lines to the transaction split:

PayPal (debit) 
Service charge (credit) 

The result is a split transaction: PayPal increases by the total payment, the 
accounts receivables decreases by the total payment, PayPal decreases by the 
fee and service charges increase by the fee.  The *net* is PayPal increases by 
the payment less the fee, accounts receivables decreases by the total payment, 
and service charges increases by the fee.

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Re: [GNC] Invoice now printing with huge text!

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At Mon, 12 Dec 2022 21:08:03 + "Dr. David Kirkby" 
 wrote:

> 
> I was messing around trying to get a nicer invoice., following instructions
> at
> 
> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/busnss-ar-invoicechange.html
> 
> I seem to have achieved the dead opposite. But I can't seem to find what
> went wrong - I assume a style sheet is messed up, but I can't seem to find
> out what. I've tried resetting everything I can find to the defaults, but
> clearly I am not succeeding. I probably changed the font size, but I can't
> find where the problem is.
> 
> I overlooked what the documentation said about importing GIF and PNG
> images, but I imported a JPEG. It actually displayed, so I assume the
> software supports JPEG too, but it was huge in size.
> 
> I assume these preferences are not stored in the .gnucash file because no
> matter what file I open, I see the same problem. I'm using Windows 10.
> Perhaps tomorrow I will open it on a Linux computer - I can see my way
> around that more than I can with Windows.

With gnucash 2.6.19 (stock version with Ubuntu 18.04 [yes, I know it is old,
but it works for me]), the stylesheets are in ~/.gnucash/stylesheets-2.0. I
don't know if 4.x does things differently. And I have no clue about what
MS-Windows does reguarding config files (where it stores/names them).

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Re: [GNC] Why doesn't GnuCash have an Export function?

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At Mon, 5 Dec 2022 09:08:39 -0500 Steve Thompson  wrote:

> 
> Thank you, and others who posted.
> 
> So I went looking for the Gnu Cash installation files (that is 
> what was installed and actually being used) and after looking at 
> the 2.6 Migrating GnuCash Data for a second time, I now 
> understand the *files *I need to copy over (not as bad as the 
> Thunderbird migration -- since my system is beyond their 2GB 
> limit). So I can make this file copy  happen within minutes 
> since all my systems are connected to a file server (something 
> newish that I've gotten working).
> 
> And I also had the opportunity to read the 2.5 Backing Up and 
> Recovering Data. I like this!!
> 
> But cutting to the chase, I thought that since GnuCash imports 
> QIF, that perhaps that should be one of the EXPORT options.
> 
> Why?  Because the CPAs that I have been involved with all ask for 
> data in that format so they can more easily do our tax returns. 
> (Not a fan of Quicken since they bought Parson's and destroyed 
> MoneyCounts -- they did this to get the customer list long 
> story ancient history now).
> 
> And I realize that Gnu Cash is "free" software, but I do 
> contribute to different groups whose software I use. So as soon 
> as I can get my company restarted, this is high on my list.

I expect that "exporting" the GnuCash file to QIF will result in "data loss", 
in the sense that the QIF file won't have all of the data that is in the Gnu 
Cash data file.  That is a Gnu Cash data file => QIF => Gnu Cash data file 
will result in a new Gnu Cash data file that will be missing some data that 
was in the original file.

As for your CPAs, you might do better to "export" to CSV or HTML (eg generate 
a "report").

> 
> Regards,
> Steve Thompson
> 
> 
> On 12/4/2022 9:50 PM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> >
> >> But, to the question, now that we have covered the problem 
> >> that brought me to this question: Why doesn't GnuCash have an 
> >> export functions so that one can more easily migrate from one 
> >> computer system to another?
> >
> > Because the DATA is not dependent on the computer. This is NOT 
> > different from other data you are moving between computers, 
> > even ones under different operating systems. You do not have to 
> > export/import, you just have to move the FILE.
> >
> > You are picturing export from the gnucash data file to a file, 
> > move that file to another computer, import that file (into the 
> > gnucash data file on the new computer). You don;t have to do 
> > that. You just move (copy) the data file to the new 
> > computer.(where if the PROGRAM gnucash is installed, you can 
> > now open the file).
> >
> > Michael D Novack
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> And it may be needed to migrate from Gnucash's data format to 
> >> another system used by one's CPA. 
> >
> > THAT is another matter. If what you mean is "move to the 
> > accountant's computer" same as another of your own IF the 
> > accountant willing to install gnucash to ope it. But if you 
> > mean move data so that it can be opened/read by another 
> > accounting application, yes, now an export/import pair is 
> > needed along with a data converter since in general a different 
> > data format (I mean logical format, but physical data format 
> > difference might also be involved). The problem is, there is no 
> > agreed standard for an exported general ledger that all 
> > accounting applications have agreed to use for export/import. 
> > << what makes you think that this other application would be 
> > able to import the exported data without a data conversion 
> > step.  One specific to that pair of applications. THAT is the 
> > sort of thing they used to pay me to write -- "quick Mike, we 
> > need some data from X converted so that we can import it into 
> > our system >>
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Is GnuCash right for me?

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At Sat, 20 Aug 2022 10:32:03 -0400 d...@ditdit.us wrote:

> 
> HI Everyone,
> Sorry for the totally noob uneducated question. I'm an engineer by 
> training, not an accountant!
> I recently started a home business and everyone said "Quickbooks". It's 
> too expensive and I despise subscription software. Online/cloud options 
> are not an option, we have limited (and expensive) internet where we 
> live.
> 
> The business is repairing custom electronic equipment.
> What I want/need:
> Basic money tracking for the checking account.
> Keep track of equipment based on serial number (I was thinking a 
> database). Here I will keep a record of owner(s), data like software 
> versions, and work done per RMA.
> RMA tracking (another database?). Ability to generate RMA numbers or use 
> one supplied by the distributor.
> Invoicing based on what was done on an RMA (labor, parts and state tax 
> if applicable).
> Simple payroll (I'm the only employee).
> Light duty inventory control. I have about 30 items, some are almost too 
> cheap to track, a few items are expensive, some of those are supplied by 
> the manufacturer so I need to settle with them at the end of the month.

I use GnuCash for my business and home finances.  Works well for me.

I am a computer programmer and Linux Admin.

GnuCash does not have support for "Payroll" functions, but with a single
"employee" (yourself), there really isn't any "payroll" in the full HR sense:
you are not going to need to bother with payroll taxes -- you are
"self-employed", so you might do quarterly estimates & payments to the IRS
(and your state) and pay SE tax when you file your 1040 schedule C. You just
need the numbers you will file on the 1040 schedule C, 1040SE, etc. GnuCash
will have those numbers. 

Inventory management is "interesting" with GnuCash, but it sounds like you
could manage. GnuCash does not really have any proper tools for true inventory
management (eg for a proper storefront), but for a small scale it can be made
to work, possibly with a small database on the side. If you just want to keep
track of how much you owe the suppliers (and if you need resupply), GnuCash
can do that just fine (eg you just create account(s) for the inventory -- when 
you acquire more inventory you add the value to the inventory account and 
when you sell or use some inventory, you reduce the inventory account by the 
amount used/sold.  

Yes, using a proper database for keeping track of equipment and RMA tracking 
makes sense.

GnuCash can manage your invoicing, etc.

> 
> My wife wants to run the entire business from Excel, and in one 
> spreadsheet I think? Databases seem more proper to me :-)

YES! People seem to think a spreadsheet program is a be-all-end-all
application (ARG!). This is like tossing out your whole toolbox and buying a
Swiss Army Knife as a replacement. Would you actually do that?  (Yes, a Swiss 
Army Knife is great on a camping trip or if you are MacGiver, but otherwise, 
probably not really.)  Using a spreadsheet for something like this is going to 
cause trouble later on.  Spreadsheet software is not going to properly 
validate "data" and you you could end up with missing or incompatible data 
"fields" (I seen this happen and it leads to all sorts of weirdnesses).

> 
> Thanks and enjoy the weekend.
> 
> Dave
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Re: [GNC] Lost 4 hours of data input

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You probably should hang onto the log files, until you have BOTH a good file 
and a good backup of that file.  You might want to keep some recent set of log 
files, just in case something happens. 

At Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:51:01 -0500 Phyllis Bruce  wrote:

> 
> Thank you Adrien, and Glenn
> 
> I'd much prefer to keep the file local. I just discovered I can choose to
> NOT sync a folder to dropbox so I carefully navigated to the GnuCash folder
> on my PC and made that change.  I will re-import by month henceforth.  I've
> already done the hard work of figuring where stuff goes so it should be
> easier this time.  I'll also decrease the autosave interval.
> 
> Once I have a good file, do I need to keep the log files?  They pile up in
> a double quick hurry.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 12:16 PM Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
> 
> > Someone else can help with the logfile, and it *should* replay your
> > steps, but I'd offer two suggestions for a different workflow:
> >
> > 1. copy the file locally first, then open it. (other users of DropBox
> > may have additional/alternative practices to help with sync issues)
> >
> > 2. Import, match & reconcile one month at a time then save. Doing this
> > in smaller batches has two advantages: the matcher is trained as you go,
> > this means less editing work on your part, and more accurate match
> > guesses on GnuCash's part; the incremental saves mean should a crash
> > happen, you lose less work.
> >
> > Another option is to switch to the SQLite backend rather than the
> > default XML. Of course, XML should work, but SQLite does instant saves,
> > so if there is a crash, your at most likely to lose the last
> > edit/import, etc. (and so doing things in smaller batches also means
> > less lost work, without even having to remember to save.)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 7/22/22 11:29 AM, Phyllis Bruce wrote:
> > > Imported and matched all the years transactions for a credit card.  Then
> > > hit the reconcile button.  Crash!
> > > On trying to get back in I received a message that talked about
> > > bounceback?  I'm sorry, I didn't write it down, but when I tried to
> > reopen
> > > it said that someone else might be using the file and the path to DROPBOX
> > > was shown.  I possibly made a mistake in choosing to open anyway -
> > because
> > > 4 hours of work have apparently disappeared.
> > >
> > > Dropbox has a log file timestamp is 10:51 (the log also exists on my
> > local
> > > drive).  That is about the time of the crash.  Could it possibly be of
> > help
> > > in restoring all my work or do I need to do it over again?
> >
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Re: [GNC] Blue line in checking account register window

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At Sat, 9 Jul 2022 12:33:05 -0700 "Barry G. Hall"  wrote:

> 
> I am running GnuCash 4.6 on a 2011 iMac running OSX 10.14.6 and having 64 GB 
> of RAM
> 
> My checking account register window looks like this
>   
> 
> Notice the bright blue line above the last 3 transactions.
> What is that line and how to I get rid of it?

The bright blue line represents midnight tonight. Transactions above that line
are before midnight tonight and the ones below it are in the future (sometime
after midnight). I don't believe GnuCash stores time at a finer scale than
whole days, so above the blue line is today or before and below the blue line
is tomorrow or later.

> 
> When I enter a new transaction it appears immediately ABOVE that blue line, 
> and the balance is based only on the entries above that line.  I would like 
> to:
> 1.Move the transactions below the line above the blue line
> 2.Delete the blue line so that there is only a single section; i.e. the 
> section now above the blue line.  I would then sort on the date and be where 
> I need to be.
> 
> Any help will be much appreciated. 
> Barry G. Hall
> Director, Bellingham Research Institute
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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash? between 2 users

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At Tue, 10 May 2022 10:09:55 -0600 John Griessen  wrote:

> 
> On 5/9/22 10:57, Westshire Realty wrote:
> > Prefer to avoid maintaining two separate apps intalled on devices and 
> > sharing just the data file.
> 
> I'm not aware that gnucash can run remotely without you making a way via 
> programs like vnc or xwindows, which sounds like extra 
> work on a mac.  It's easy to keep gnucash installed at same revision with a 
> flatpak installation, so you can then just run gnucash 
> from your local machine and open the file on the shared volume:

I don't believe the OP is running gnucash remotely, just storing the gnucash 
executable on a shared disk.

> 
> $ gnucash   /shared/books1/books1.gnucash
> 
> I've not used macports -- you may have to make sure the two machines both use 
> the same revision:
> 
> sudo port install gnucash  on both machines each time it is done...
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Re: [GNC] gnucash v 2.6.19 or newer on 32bit linux

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At Mon, 9 May 2022 11:19:48 -0500 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> If I recall correctly, the original plan was to stop 32-binaries & 
> installers for 18.04, but the outcry resulted in a back-track. 
> (thankfully, too many good machines in perfect working order out there, 
> I manage several.)
> 
> The big push was Steam, but there were some other libraries that needed 
> to continue 32-bit support. Canonical then realized they could continue 
> to provide builds, sans stand-alone installers, but with the caveat that 
> they won't take bug reports because they got rid of (or have a lack of) 
> the physical hardware for testing. I think there are some core packages 
> and libraries they try to continue to patch and support however.

There is *probably* little in the way of 32-bit *specific* bugs at this point. 
And since there is no new 32-bit *specific* hardware, there are not going to 
be new kernel drivers for 32-bit *specific* hardware -- any new kernel driver 
issues will be for 64-bit hardware.  (Probably the only exception to this is 
for 32-bit *arm* processors, but that is something completely different.)

What bugs that are showing up are not word-size specific, so it is just a 
matter of automated re-builds for all supported arches.  And the builds and 
Q/A can be done on generic 32-bit VMs.

> 
> I could almost bet that I installed 18.04 with fresh 32-bit installers, 
> but I could be misremembering.

Misremembering.  You probably did a do-release-upgrade from 16.04.

> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 5/9/22 7:48 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > *I* know for sure that Ubuntu 18.04 will run on a 32-bit machine (I have it 
> > on
> > a VM).
> > 
> > The deal is this:  Ubuntu no longer provides *installers* for 32-bit 
> > machines
> > -- I believe 16.04 is the last version of Ubuntu that includes installer /
> > live CD ISOs for 32-bit machines.  Once you have a 32-bit version installed,
> > you can always do a 'do-release-upgrade' on that 32-bit machine and it will
> > upgrade to the next release -- on a 32-bit Ubuntu 16.04, do-release-upgrade
> > will get you Ubuntu 18.04, then doing it again (after rebooting), you will
> > have a 32-bit version of 20.04, and then doing it yet again, you will have
> > 22.04, still 32-bit.  I don't know if (when?) Ubuntu will stop building 
> > 32-bit
> > binaries -- I suspect that as long as there remain support for 32-bit in the
> > kernel and as long as gcc supports compiling for a 32-bit target, you will 
> > be
> > able to upgrade a 32-bit machine.  The only really issue is what happens 
> > when
> > certain critical parts for that 32-bit machine stop being available.  OTOH,
> > the only really 32-bit parts (CPU, motherboard, and memory) could last
> > indefinately -- the only parts that will wear out would be some of the
> > capacitors on the motherboard, which could be replaced.  It should even be
> > possible to replace the CPU fan.  I don't know if there are BIOS issues with
> > very large disks or if there will be some sort of "brick wall" issue with a
> > 32-bit kernel dealing with ginormous disks -- I suspect that even a 32-bit
> > kernel will have no trouble a 1KT drives, but by then the issue will be
> > whether or not a it makes sense to get a hover mod for your Ford model A...
> > :-)
> > 
> > 
> > At Mon, 09 May 2022 08:02:00 -0400 "David T."  wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> Jonathan,
> >>
> >> I'm not a Linux person, but a search online turned up
> >>
> >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/768415/where-can-i-find-32-bit-version-of-ubuntu
> >>
> >> Which suggested that 18.04 was available for 32-bit:
> >>
> >> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/18.04.5/release/xubuntu-18.04.5-desktop-i386.iso
> >>
> >> I also found:
> >>
> >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1376090/latest-version-of-ubuntu-for-i386-architecture-32-bit
> >>
> >> Which links to:
> >>
> >> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
> >>
> >> But I don't profess to understand the contents at that second link. I 
> >> leave it to you to sort it out.
> >>
> >> According to the Gnucash wiki, 18.04 has  2.6.19. Such an upgrade might be 
> >> a major undertaking...
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> On May 9, 2022 12:19:28 AM EDT, Jonathan Francoeur  
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hi David.  Thank you for asking.  I am 
> >>> using Linux Lite, Ubuntu 16.04 a

Re: [GNC] gnucash v 2.6.19 or newer on 32bit linux

[Robert Heller]

.
> >>>> 
> >>>> See the instructions here:
> >>>> 
> >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building
> >>>> 
> >>>> And you can update to current on your 64bit machine to match.
> >>>> 
> >>>> You might also be able to use the Flatpak if you don't want to build.
> >>>> (I'd try that first)
> >>>> 
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Adrien
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 3/23/22 2:52 AM, Jonathan Francoeur wrote:
> >>>>> I have my accounts in dropbox and I was using a newer version of GNU
> >>>>> cash on my 64bit computer.  Now I"m trying to use the files on my
> >>>>> older 32bit computer and I get the error:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> This Dataset contains features not supported by this version of
> >>>>> GnuCash. You must use a newer version of GnuCash in order to support
> >>>>> the following features:
> >>>>> * Use account GUID as key for bayesian data and store KVP flat
> >>>>> (requires at least Gnucash 2.6.19)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I have not been able to install the Gnucash 2.6.19 from the tar.gz
> >>>>> files.  I'm used to using .deb files on following instructions by 
> >>>>> copy
> >>>>> pasting in to the terminal.  I haven't found anything like that for
> >>>>> installing a newer version on GNU cash on a 32bit linux machine.  Any
> >>>>> ideas?
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Re: [GNC] Account for Seller Credit when purchasing a home

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At Sat, 7 May 2022 11:00:05 -0400 M  wrote:

> 
> I am still learning double-entry accounting, and I need a little help.
> 
> I recently purchased a home, but the price was reduced during 
> negotiation and a seller credit was applied at closing.
> 
> Agreed Purchase Price: $100,000
> Seller Credit for Repairs: $5,000
> Actual Purchase Price: $95,000
> 
> When I add this asset, I am stumped.  When I increase the asset by 
> $100,000 and decrease other accounts for cash and loans of $95,000, that 
> all makes sense.  But how do I account for the $5,000?  I see it as an 
> unrealized gain... instant equity provided by the seller. But I need to 
> debit an account with this amount, so it shows an unrealized gain of 
> -$5,000.
> 
> Should I simply just increase the asset by $95,000 and not account for 
> the credit?
> 
> I know I am missing the big picture.  Can anyone point me in the right 
> direction?

What *I* would do is create an account to account (Seller's Credit) for the
$5,000. So you debit $95,000 for your payment (your payment account [mortage
loan?], debit $5,000 for the Seller's Credit account, and credit the asset for
$100,000. I would have this all in one multi-split transaction.

> 
> Thanks to all,
> 
> Mike
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Re: [GNC] How to copy a GnuCash 'installation'?

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At Fri, 6 May 2022 18:58:13 +0100 Chris Green  wrote:

> 
> If one wants to copy a GnuCash 'installation' from one place to
> another, in particular from one computer to another what needs to be
> copied?  I'm really only interested in copying from one Linux system
> to another, both running the same GnuCash version.
> 
> Obviously one needs to copy:-
> 
> The GnuCash 'data' file, either XML or sql
> 
> Any log files (though not strictly necessary I guess)
> 
> However there are other files one needs to copy if you want reports
> and screen layout and things like that to be the same.  Is this
> documented anywhere?

Don't know if it is documented anywhere...

Config files somewhere in $HOME: .gnucashrc or under .local/...  I believe 
this is where reports are saved (report params, used to generate the reports).



> 
> I'm particularly interested in copying reports across as I run GnuCash
> on both my desktop machine and my laptop.  Just copying the GnuCash
> data file means that I get the same accounts on both systems but not
> reports and connected files ('experimental' CSS for reports, that sort
> of thing).
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Re: [GNC] How to manage multiple accounts (as in separate gnucash? databases)?

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There is a MacOS / MS-Windows -centric concept of organizing a user's file
space by file *types* (I don't know for sure if Steve Jobs or some brainiac at
M$ came up with this notion). So most (all?) GUI desktops initialize a user's
file space with a set of "folders": Documents, Pictures, Movies, Music,
Downloads, and a few others and the various desktop apps default to storing /
finding files in one of these folders. Some of us (old school UNIX users?)
find this file space organization silly / strange / counter-useful. 

Instead we have top-level directories ("folder" is a strange term) that 
represent specific jobs or projects or something like that and then gather all 
of the various *different* files that relate to that job, project, etc. 
togther.  So instead of the documents living under Documents and the pictures 
living under Pictures, etc. the documents (eg letters) and pictures, and so on 
for a partitular job, project, or whatever, would all be collected together in 
a directory for the job, project, or whatever.

At Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:10:49 +0100 Chris Green  wrote:

> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 06:10:21PM -0400, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> > On 4/26/2022 11:25 AM, Chris Green wrote:
> 
> > > The --nofile option tells gnucash not to open the last accounts
> > > database, it helps a little, but I really want it to forget more!
> > > 
> > It may be confusing things slightly when you shorten "book of accounts" to
> > "accounts" instead of "books" << we usually refer to the financial records
> > of an entity as "its books" --- in days of yore when the records were kept
> > pen and ink on paper the "journal" and "ledgers" WERE books (bound volumes
> > of accounting paper) >>
> > 
> Yes, I never quite know what to call a GnuCash data file.  As you say
> 'account' is confusing because GnuCash has multiple 'accounts' within
> one file/database.
> 
> 
> > Why is remembering in what directory the records for an entity are kept
> > easier than remembering the name of the entity?
> 
> Because it makes a whole lot more sense (for me anyway) to keep
> everything to do with one set of books in one place.  So, for my
> church accounts for one particular year I have a directory:-
> 
> ~/pcc/2022
> 
> This is very simple to remember and find.  (PCC is Parochial Church
> Council).  I have the GnuCash accounts files there, and copies of
> letters I have sent, and copies of incoming cheques and records for
> GiftAid plus anything else relevant.  
> 

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Re: [GNC] How to manage multiple accounts (as in separate gnucash??? databases)?

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At Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:44:57 -0700 stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> On 4/26/22 11:33, Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Tue, 26 Apr 2022 19:21:46 +0100 Chris Green  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 02:00:22PM -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
> >>> Under Linux, gnucash's "recent file memory" is in ~/.gnucash/books/. 
> >>> Maybe if
> >>> that directory is removed or made to be an empty "read-only" directory, 
> >>> you
> >>> might be able to "enforce" gnucash to have a memory loss...
> >>>
> >>> rm ~/.gnucash/books/*
> >>> chmod -w ~/.gnucash/books
> >>>
> >> Yes, it seems a bit drastic though! :-)
> >>
> >> It's actually /home/chris/.local/share/gnucash/books (or, strictly,
> >> some system variable specifies the directory I believe).
> > Probably depends on the version.  I'm still using 2.6.19-1 on my Ubuntu 
> > 18.04
> > system.
> >
> > Even opening GnuCash from a menu or icon (rather than the command
> > line) I'd really prefer that it didn't default to the last set of
> > accounts opened.
> > Yeah, that is unfortunate.  And really unfriendly.
> >
> 
> I happen to really like that it opens the last set of books.  Yes, I 
> have three (3) separate sets of books with each in a different folder 
> (directory).
> 
> And having the list of recent opened files makes it really handy to 
> switch between the three sets as desired.

I have no objection to the recent opened files. But applications that
automagically opening the last opened can be obnoxious and awkward for some 
workflows.  There should be preferences settings for that -- eg what is in the 
recent opened files list and what to do when opened without a filename on the 
command line (open nothing, open last, something else, etc.).

> 
> --Steve
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Re: [GNC] How to manage multiple accounts (as in separate gnucash?? databases)?

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At Tue, 26 Apr 2022 19:21:46 +0100 Chris Green  wrote:

> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 02:00:22PM -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
> > 
> > Under Linux, gnucash's "recent file memory" is in ~/.gnucash/books/. Maybe 
> > if
> > that directory is removed or made to be an empty "read-only" directory, you
> > might be able to "enforce" gnucash to have a memory loss...
> > 
> > rm ~/.gnucash/books/*
> > chmod -w ~/.gnucash/books
> > 
> Yes, it seems a bit drastic though! :-)
> 
> It's actually /home/chris/.local/share/gnucash/books (or, strictly,
> some system variable specifies the directory I believe).

Probably depends on the version.  I'm still using 2.6.19-1 on my Ubuntu 18.04 
system.

> 
> Even opening GnuCash from a menu or icon (rather than the command
> line) I'd really prefer that it didn't default to the last set of
> accounts opened.

Yeah, that is unfortunate.  And really unfriendly.  

> 

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Re: [GNC] How to manage multiple accounts (as in separate gnucash? databases)?

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At Tue, 26 Apr 2022 18:36:13 +0100 Chris Green  wrote:

> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 12:24:32PM -0400, David T. wrote:
> >On April 26, 2022 11:25:02 AM EDT, Chris Green  wrote:
> > > I have several gnucash accounts files (sqlite databases in my case)
> > > spread around my system.  When I go to a specific directory and run
> > > GnuCash I just want it to see only the database[s] in that directory.
> > > Is there a way I can tell gnucash to forget about all previous files
> > > it has opened?  As it is I get presented with a 'memory' of other
> > > accounts which can be very confusing unless I'm very careful with file
> > > naming.
> > > The --nofile option tells gnucash not to open the last accounts
> > > database, it helps a little, but I really want it to forget more!
> > 
> >I'm not certain what has you confused, but if you need each file to
> >have its own existence, you might have to create separate OS logins for
> >each.
> > 
> Seriously?!  Do you really mean that I should create a different user
> for each GnuCash account?  That seems a very clumsy way to handle more
> than one account.
> 
> What 'has me confused' is the way that GnuCash by default opens the
> last account I was looking at.  In nine cases out of ten that's just
> what I don't want it to do, why else would I have exited GnuCash and
> moved to another directory?
> 
> My ideal would be for GnuCash to look for account files in the current
> directory, if there is only one then open that one, if there are more
> then offer me a list to choose from. I can write myself a little
> wrapper script to do this but I don't find other programs need this.
> Many other programs do have a 'recently opened' option but they don't
> automatically open the last opened file.  ... and, as I pointed out,
> using the --nofile option prevents GnuCash from opening any file, you
> have to select the file after starting GnuCash.

In the GUI world there really isn't anything like a "current directory". GUI
apps don't know anything about the current directory, *esp* if they are fired
up from a launcher menu or desktop icon. I understand that under MS-Windows
(and maybe Linux) you can bind desktop *file* icons to fire up gnucash with
the specified file. I have heard that this does not work under MacOSX --
something is "broken" there. From the (evil?) command line, gnucash will take
a filename on the command line (at least for XML/Compressed XML files -- I
have not used a version of gnucash that supports SQL).

Under Linux, gnucash's "recent file memory" is in ~/.gnucash/books/. Maybe if
that directory is removed or made to be an empty "read-only" directory, you
might be able to "enforce" gnucash to have a memory loss...

rm ~/.gnucash/books/*
chmod -w ~/.gnucash/books

> 
> 

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Re: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums.

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At Fri, 8 Oct 2021 00:08:02 -0700 Stan Brown  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 2021-10-07 16:39, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
> > 
> >> Of course there's Usenet, which doesn't require everyone to connect to
> > 
> > Usenet is still active?
> > I though it died years ago.
> 
> No, Google did its best to destroy it in favor of Google Groups. most
> formerly active newsgroups are moribund, but some are still quite
> active: misc.taxes.moderated, for instance.
> 
> Most ISPs gradually cut back their Usenet support and eventually
> terminated it -- without lowering their price for the loss of amenity,
> as another poster noted. There are a number of independent free or
> fee-based Usenet servers. I use news.individual.net at 10 euros a year;
> it carries every text-based newsgroup, if I am not mistaken.

There is also GigiNews (US$4.99/month).

> 
> New groups still appear occasionally, for instance Thunderbird and
> Firefox peer support groups after Mozilla decommissioned its own captive
> newsgroups. Anyone could start a GnuCash group, but I wouldn't do it
> without some level of consensus in the mailing list.)
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Re: [GNC] [MAINT] Unplanned network outage

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At Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:51:22 +1000 gnucash-user@gnucash.org wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:03:56 -0400
> Glenn Fowler  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Derek,
> > 
> > Wouldn't it be advantageous to move to a cloud server to relieve you
> > of maintaining hardware and issues with network & power outages and
> > the risk of natural disasters such as fire?
> 
> "Cloud" is simply a euphemism for someone else's computer.
> I suspect Derek is of my vintage, and we are happy dealing with
> managing our own stuff and not parking it on someone else's computer.

Well, I am probably of about the same "vintage" and yes I too am happy dealing 
with managing my own stuff, but also see the advantage of using someone else's 
data center.  I still manage my own VPS, but don't have to deal with network & 
power outages, etc.  

> 
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[GNC] UI question about 2.6...

[Robert Heller]

I recently upgraded my OS from CentOS 6.10 to Ubuntu 18.04 and thus from 
GNUCash 2.4 to GNUCash 2.6.  With GNUCash 2.6, the toolbar only has images for 
most of the tools.  GNUCash 2.4 had a preference setting to display both text 
and images, but that preference seems to be missing in GNUCash 2.6.  I am 
somebody who is fiercely literate and generally have trouble with pictorial 
tool buttons.  Is there any way to get text for these buttons?  It is actually 
easier/quicker for me if there is text.  I am managing, mostly because I have 
been using GNUCash long enough to generally remember the order of the buttons.

I realize the the 2.6 branch is not being worked on anymore and don't expect 
any sort of fix, just that I am wondering about this UI change...

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Re: [GNC] Where does gnucash put the lock file on Linux?

[Robert Heller]

Question: do you have selinux enabled?  It is possible that somehow you have 
the wrong selinux context set on the directory or don't have a selinux context 
set at all.

At Wed, 20 Jan 2021 13:33:33 + Chris Green  wrote:

> 
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 08:23:23AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The lock file is created in the same directory as the data file.
> > Is that directory not writeable?  That would cause the error.
> 
> The directory is definitely writeable and there definitely isn't any
> sort of lock file in the directory:-
> 
> chris$ cd tmp/pcc/2020
> /home/chris/tmp/pcc/2020
> chris$ ls
> building.gnucash  building.gnucash.20210120121447.log  general.gnucash
> chris$ ls -al
> total 504
> drwxrwxr-x 2 chris chris   4096 Jan 20 12:14 .
> drwxrwxr-x 3 chris chris   4096 Jan 20 12:13 ..
> -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 212992 Jan 20 12:14 building.gnucash
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 chris chris381 Jan 20 12:14 
> building.gnucash.20210120121447.log
> -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 290816 Jan 20 12:14 general.gnucash
> chris$ gnucash general.gnucash
> Found Finance::Quote version 1.49.
> chris$ 
> 
> The above sequence pops up the can't create lock file error.
> 
> > If GnuCash cannot create (and lock) the lock file then it will throw the
> > error.
> > If you are SURE that there is not another process running, you can "Open
> > Anyways" and that will clear the error.
> > 
> Yes, I realise that, but it's not "right". :-)
> 
> 
> > NB that gnucash may mix the metadata for two versions of the same-named
> > file located in different directories.  The GCM file does not contain the
> > file location information.
> > 
> I'm not quite sure I follow that, I do have general.gnucash in two
> different places.  Are you saying that this may cause problems and
> that I should rename my 'previous year' accounts to (for example)
> general2020.gnucash as well as moving them to a suitably named
> sub-directory?
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Re: [GNC] No PDF button

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At Tue, 24 Nov 2020 00:24:09 -0600 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> If you're on Mint20 most likely you already have the cups-pdf package 
> installed. (if not, that's easy enough to do)
> 
> Then just 'print' to the 'PDF printer' on your system.

Don't even need that.  "Print to File" is built in.

> 
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 11/23/20 11:48 PM, nco2...@outlook.com wrote:
> > I have been using gnucash for about 7 months on linux mint without any 
> > problems but have recently installed in on a mint 20 machine. The 
> > problem now is there is no way of producing a pdf of the invoice I've 
> > created, the PDF button is missing. I have also tried installing older 
> > versions but always get the same gui without a pdf button.
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Re: [GNC] No PDF button

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At Tue, 24 Nov 2020 05:48:48 + "nco2...@outlook.com"  
wrote:

> 
> I have been using gnucash for about 7 months on linux mint without any 
> problems but have recently installed in on a mint 20 machine. The 
> problem now is there is no way of producing a pdf of the invoice I've  
> created, the PDF button is missing. I have also tried installing older 
> versions but always get the same gui without a pdf button.

Print Report then Print to file, select output type PDF.

> 
> help would be very much appreciated, dig
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Re: [GNC] List Replies

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At Tue, 17 Nov 2020 12:26:58 -0600 adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net wrote:

> 
> Yeah, perhaps I'm not understanding something, but if the list server is 
> configured with the list address in the reply-to header, but *does not* 
> hide the individual's personal address (as described by Greg) how hard 
> is it for someone to copy and paste that address in a new compose window 
> in the 'to' field? And to make it even easier, most mail apps have a 
> feature that if you select *any* e-mail address, you can get a context 
> menu to send a new message to that address!

The whole copy and paste from the comment part of the from header is something 
of a "pain in the ass" for many people.  It is *far easier* to click the 
"Reply[ to Sender]" vs. "Reply to All" buttons virtually all E-Mail clients 
provide.  Then the E-Mail client sets up the To: and Cc: headers properly and 
without error -- the copy and paste is prone to [human] errors.  

> 
> So the default behavior would be reply-to-list, and if the *OFF* chance 
> you *might* want to privately reply, you can still do so. (note, private 
> replies to this list are discouraged, so why make it the default?!)
> 
> That way you don't have to rely on people understanding 'reply-all' or 
> 'reply-list' explicitly, and you can still reply privately *very easily* 
> if you want to.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 11/16/20 8:08 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Mon, 16 Nov 2020 05:33:31 -0800 Greg Feneis  wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> That seems like an unnecessary dichotomy.  Perhaps it's a limitation of
> >> mailman, or our ability to administer?  On the other list I belong to that
> >> server causes either reply type to default to only the list server without
> >> obscuring the originator's address.
> > 
> > Those lists are almost impossible to make *private* replies, without being a
> > near computer-Guru.
> > 
> > Note I manage a list populated by people who are mostly non-techies, which 
> > is
> > a "standard" Mailman list and is set up much like this list and these
> > non-techies have no problem replying to the list and making private replies 
> > as
> > appropriate.  *It Is Not Rocket Science.*
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 05:20 Derek Atkins  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greg,
> >>>
> >>> This topic comes up about once a year or so, usually closer to Spring as
> >>> people start working on their taxes and asking for help.
> >>>
> >>> In short, yes, mailman COULD be set up to set the Reply-To the list.  The
> >>> downside of that approach is that it makes it MUCH MUCH harder (nearly
> >>> impossible) to make an off-list (private) reply.  The decision, which has
> >>> been made over and over again over the past 20 years, is that making it
> >>> POSSIBLE to make a private reply is more important than making it always
> >>> reply-to-list.
> >>>
> >>> This is why every message has a note to remind people to Reply-All.
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Re: [GNC] List Replies

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At Mon, 16 Nov 2020 05:33:31 -0800 Greg Feneis  wrote:

> 
> That seems like an unnecessary dichotomy.  Perhaps it's a limitation of
> mailman, or our ability to administer?  On the other list I belong to that
> server causes either reply type to default to only the list server without
> obscuring the originator's address.

Those lists are almost impossible to make *private* replies, without being a 
near computer-Guru.

Note I manage a list populated by people who are mostly non-techies, which is 
a "standard" Mailman list and is set up much like this list and these 
non-techies have no problem replying to the list and making private replies as 
appropriate.  *It Is Not Rocket Science.*  

> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards, Greg Feneis
> (Pixel 3)
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 05:20 Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> > Greg,
> >
> > This topic comes up about once a year or so, usually closer to Spring as
> > people start working on their taxes and asking for help.
> >
> > In short, yes, mailman COULD be set up to set the Reply-To the list.  The
> > downside of that approach is that it makes it MUCH MUCH harder (nearly
> > impossible) to make an off-list (private) reply.  The decision, which has
> > been made over and over again over the past 20 years, is that making it
> > POSSIBLE to make a private reply is more important than making it always
> > reply-to-list.
> >
> > This is why every message has a note to remind people to Reply-All.
> >
> > -derek
> >
> > On Mon, November 16, 2020 8:06 am, Greg Feneis wrote:
> > > Hi friends,
> > >
> > > A frequent encounter on this list is members replying to an email's
> > > originator and not to the list server.
> > >
> > > In the grand scheme, not a big deal. However, other lists I belong to
> > > don't
> > > seem to have this issue.  I'm wondering if a list server setting could
> > > help.
> > >
> > > For this other list I belong to, when I receive an email, it appears to
> > > come from the originator's name and email address.  But, no matter if I
> > > use
> > > reply, or reply-all, the initial email composition only ever begins with
> > > the list server as the only recipient.
> > >
> > > I imagine this feature has to do with the construction of the email
> > > messages being sent from the server to the list members.
> > >
> > > Could our mailman server be set to do the same thing?🤔
> > >
> > > Kind regards, Greg Feneis
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

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Most people in recent times are using a webmail client (eg GMail, Yahoo, AOL, 
Hotmail, etc.), so they are reading E-Mail in a webbrowser, just as they would 
be reading postings in an actual webforum.  The idea of an "E-Mail List" as 
something separate from a forum is actually foreign to these people.  And yes 
many people would prefer a web-forum (not me -- I hate web forums and avoid 
them whenever possible).

At Tue, 7 Jul 2020 20:45:29 + (UTC) Bruce Irving  
wrote:

> 
>  On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 15:34:40 +0100 Fred Bone wrote
> (What mystifies me is why people go looking for a "forum" in the first 
> place).
> If I didn't know better, THAT is the first thing I would look for.
> 
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Re: [GNC] notify when new version is available?

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At Tue, 28 Apr 2020 09:57:40 -0400 "Derek Atkins"  wrote:

> 
> On the other hand, implementing it wouldn't be too hard to do.  Not
> everyone updates their systems every day/week, so just knowing there is a
> more recent version if, for no other reason than to notify their
> distribution or look there, isn't a BAD thing.
> 
> I'll note that there are other systems, even with packaging, that notify
> of updates.  This is especially true of cross-platform systems.  E.g.,
> Chrome, Firefox..  Even the Unifi Controller software notifies of updates.
> 
> Granted, I don't consider this a high priority, but a small, click-away
> popup or corner-notification on app startup seems like a reasonable
> feature to me.

If anyone every implements this, *PLEASE* provide a configuration or CLI 
option to disable it.  *I* don't want any application I use to "phone home" on 
start up everytime (or to phone home *ever* for any reason).  Or at worst, 
only implement it under MS-Windows (eg with #ifdef WINDOWS or whatever), since 
only MS-Windows users would have any reason for it -- the rest of us have 
various other ways of knowing about updates.

> 
> -derek
> 
> On Tue, April 28, 2020 9:46 am, Geert Janssens wrote:
> > On platforms with an app store or package manager this doesn't make sense.
> > It's the
> > responsibility of those to inform the user of application updates. And on
> > these platforms it would
> > be silly for each app to reinvent that wheel.
> >
> > I am aware many applications on Windows will notify you when a new release
> > is available. That
> > platform doesn't have a strong package manager or app store story.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Geert
> >
> > Op dinsdag 28 april 2020 05:46:39 CEST schreef Ed Love:
> >> Thanks for moving it somewhere clearer. I'm surprised more people don't
> >> want this feature, it's bog standard in most programs I use every day.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help!
> >>
> >>  Ed
> >>
> >> On 28/04/2020 7:49 am, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:
> >> > Am 27.04.20 um 07:15 schrieb Ed Love:
> >> >> Is this possible? It would be useful! I checked the FAQ but found
> >> >> nothing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >>  Ed
> >> >
> >> > You should read more precise. The FAQ has several links to
> >> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists. And there is:
> >> > * gnucash-announce: a low traffic Announcement list, e.g. for package
> >> > maintainers.
> >> >
> >> > OK, it was hidden in the  section
> >> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Mailing_Lists_for_Development_
> >> > Topics. I have moved it to
> >> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Announcements
> >> >
> >> > And I will revew "Tip of the day" to incorporate it there.
> >> >
> >> > How should we the FAQ?
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Frank
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Re: [GNC] notify when new version is available?

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At Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:46:55 +0200 Geert Janssens  
wrote:

> 
> On platforms with an app store or package manager this doesn't make sense. 
> It's the 
> responsibility of those to inform the user of application updates. And on 
> these platforms it would 
> be silly for each app to reinvent that wheel.
> 
> I am aware many applications on Windows will notify you when a new release is 
> available. That 
> platform doesn't have a strong package manager or app store story.

In some cases, an E-Mail list (or a usenet group) is used:  CentOS has an 
announce list where important updates (eg security fixes) are posted.  The 
TeX/LaTeX maintainers post announcements in the Usenet group comp.text.tex.  

The idea of a *desktop* application "phoning home" to check for updates is 
obnoxious.  It also tends to fail misseriably if one has poor Internet 
("Hello, my name is Nobody and I use Dialup.").

And yes, with a proper package manager, updates are handled in a controlled 
and *managed* way, without random supprises and without randomly breaking 
things.

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Geert
> 
> Op dinsdag 28 april 2020 05:46:39 CEST schreef Ed Love:
> > Thanks for moving it somewhere clearer. I'm surprised more people don't
> > want this feature, it's bog standard in most programs I use every day.
> > 
> > Thanks for your help!
> > 
> >  Ed
> > 
> > On 28/04/2020 7:49 am, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:
> > > Am 27.04.20 um 07:15 schrieb Ed Love:
> > >> Is this possible? It would be useful! I checked the FAQ but found
> > >> nothing.
> > >> 
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> 
> > >>  Ed
> > > 
> > > You should read more precise. The FAQ has several links to
> > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists. And there is:
> > > * gnucash-announce: a low traffic Announcement list, e.g. for package
> > > maintainers.
> > > 
> > > OK, it was hidden in the  section
> > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Mailing_Lists_for_Development_
> > > Topics. I have moved it to
> > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Announcements
> > > 
> > > And I will revew "Tip of the day" to incorporate it there.
> > > 
> > > How should we the FAQ?
> > > 
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> > > Frank
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Re: [GNC] Would like to use, but ....

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At Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:31:35 +0100 fred.b...@dial.pipex.com wrote:

> 
> On 15 April 2020 at 9:02, Derek Atkins said:
> 
> > Hi Andrew,
> > 
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> > If you could supply us with the URL of the page that points to WinXP,
> > there is a chance that we might be able to fix it.  BUt of course it
> > depends if it is on a page that we can control or not.  No way for us to
> > tell without knowing the specific page ;)
> 
> The "XP/Vista" text in the "Download Gnucash 3.10" box at the top of the 
> main gnucash.org page links to 
> https://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-2.6.21.setup
> .exe
> which does not go directlly where you expect, but to
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/
> from which clicking on the top ("gnucash (stable)") link leads you to the 
> list of available releases. Which, yes, does include 2.6.21 which the 
> main page tells you is the latest one supported on XP/Vista. So the OP's 
> complaint that it "just goes to the version for 7, 8 and 10" is 
> incorrect.
> 
> It might be better to have the link on the main page point to
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/2.6.
> 21/
> or
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/2.6.
> 21/gnucash-2.6.21-setup.exe/download
> 
> Incidentally I am still on 2.6.21 (on Win10) and find it entirely 
> satisfactory. I have tried one or two of the 3.x series but see no 
> compelling reason to upgrade (if it ain't broke ...)

And I am using 2.4.15 under CentOS 6 and it works just fine. Newer versions
are not available in the repository and I am not sure if they will even
compile and would likely require chasing down dependencies (and dependencies
of dependencies ...) if I were to try to build from source on my CentOS 6
systems. Not presently worth my time to deal with. "if it ain't broke ...".

Sometime later this year I play to move to an ARM Linux system running a 
newer version of some Debian-ish O/S (probably Ubuntu 16.04 or 18.04).  At 
which point I will probably upgrade...

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Re: [GNC] hiding expense and income accounts with zero balances

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At Sat, 7 Mar 2020 11:13:07 -0500 Ian D Henry  wrote:

> 
> I am very new to Gnucash and I have not been able to find answers to
> questions which I think possible ought to have easy answers.
> 
> 1 Is there a way to suppress display of accounts with a zero balance in the
> Balance Sheet and Income Statement?

Should be a checkbox under Options (Accounts tab I think)

> 2  How do I display either statement with a specific end date?  For
> example, today is 7March and I want to provide reports as at 29February.
> The standard Income statement shows that it covers 1Jan20 to 30Jun20 and
> the Balance Sheet is at 30Jun20.  The accounting year is 1Jul19 to 30Jun20.

This is under Options (General tab).

> 3 Has anyone produced an multi column Income report that lists the income
> and expense by month?
> 
> Thank you in advance for your help.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Can't get v3.8 to work, Nor generate Expense Over Time Report on v2.6.21

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At Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:19:01 + (UTC) LEO BOLTA  wrote:

> 
> Greetings,
> I could not get the latest 3.8 update to work at all, so had to uninstall and 
> go back to the earlier stable version of 2.6.21.  Unfortunately, I don't 
> recall the version that I was using before trying to upgrade to the latest 
> but I believe it was possibly 2.6.18?  The version 2.6.21 works almost 
> flawlessly but cannot generate the report "Expenses Over Time" and only get a 
> "Report Error - An error occurred while running the report" message.
> 
> I should also mention that for some time now, while running my older version 
> (2.6.18?) and the current (2.6.21), I continuously get an error message like 
> the one below on each start-up of the program: 
> 
> "GnuCash could not obtain the lock for file://C:\Users\Ownerà
> \Desktop\GnuCash.gnucash.  That database may be in use by another user, in 
> which case you should not open the database. What would you like to do?"
> I have always chosen the option to "Open Anyway", to get started in using the 
> program.

You will get that error if you don't properly exit GnuCash. If you *always*
log out or shut down the computer with GnuCash still running, you will always 
get that error.  You need to go to GnuCash's file menu and select "Quit" 
before you log out or shut down the computer.  Then that error will go away.

> Any help to get the latest 3.8 version working and the program being able to 
> generate my favorite Expense Over Time Report would be much appreciated.
> Leo
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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

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Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards

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At Wed, 28 Aug 2019 15:39:43 +0300 Haim Roman  wrote:

> 
> Got it.  Seems obvious now ☺

If it is a straight checking account debit card AND you are not concerned 
about keeping separate track of checks, EFTs, and debit card use, you don't 
really need a separate GnuCash "account" for the debit card.  I put all of the 
checking account debit card uses in my checking account account, just without 
a check number.  Ditto for EFTs and other direct payments (eg online banking 
billpay or other sorts of transfers).  The only debit card I bother to have 
its own account for is my PayPal debit card, since it can hold a balance of 
its own.

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> > First you need to fund the debit card. $ has to come from somewhere. Then
> > you use the debit card to purchase many different things.
> >
> >
> >
> > One transaction to fund card, then many transactions to expense acct’s
> > when you use it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Similar to what you do with a credit card. Use it many times then make one
> > payment.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Haim Roman [mailto:haim.ro...@gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:15 AM
> > *To:* Gary Holtum
> > *Cc:* Gnucash Users
> > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards
> >
> >
> >
> > First of all, I want to thank everyone who has responded so far.  And
> > those might respond in the future.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Gary*, did you mean that each use of a debit card involves *two 
> > *transactions?
> > 1st from checking/savings to debit card, and 2nd from debit card to
> > expense?
> >
> >
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> >
> > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/haimroman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM Gary Holtum 
> > wrote:
> >
> > A debit card is an asset.
> >
> > You transfer $ from Checking or Savings to Debit card then to Expense acct.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gnucash-user [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=
> > earthlink@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of Haim Roman
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:05 AM
> > To: Gnucash Users
> > Subject: [GNC] 2 Questions About Debit Cards
> >
> > Hi.  I'm new to GnuCash and to bookkeeping/accounting in general.  I have 2
> > questions about debit cards.
> >
> > (1) I made my debit card account a Liability account, as I did with my
> > credit card accounts.  In the GnuCash archives, someone wrote a debit card
> > should be an Access account.  Is that correct?
> >
> > (2) I envisioned debit card transactions as single transactions with 3
> > stages:  Checking to Debit Card to Expense (yes, I have different expense
> > accounts).
> > But I'm beginning to think that it should be 2 transactions: [a] Checking
> > to Debit Card, [b]  Debit Card to Expense.
> > The 1st deposits into the debit card account, and the 2nd withdraws from
> > it.
> > Is that correct?
> >
> > Thanks
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Re: [GNC] how to remember an interest account?

[Robert Heller]

At Sun, 4 Aug 2019 08:00:05 -0600 p...@kinzelman.com wrote:

> 
> When I reconcile a charge card, GC remembers the account I pay
> the card out of, and in the payment window (after reconciliation),
> it selects this account which is quite convenient.
> 
> However, when I reconcile, say a savings account, the window that
> pops up to account for the interest does not pre-select the account that
> I always use to post the interest. Both sides of the window (to select
> the debit account and the credit account) show the same account.
> 
> Is there any way for GC to remember the account from the last time
> I reconciled and posted interest, and select that same account for
> interest again?
> 
> Given that the remembering for charge cards works, I would almost
> think the lack of remembering is a bug. Should I post a bug someplace?

Assuming you use the same text for the *description*, once you tab to there in 
the form and start to enter the description, it will remember/fill things in. 
At least that is what happens with the older version I am using (2.4.15) under 
CentOS 6.

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Re: [GNC] Unsplitting a transaction

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At Wed, 5 Jun 2019 11:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Rich Shepard  
wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Derek Atkins wrote:
> 
> > Expand it and remove all the other splits.
> 
> Derek,
> 
> That's what I tried before writing. I left only the credit and an expense
> debit. When I saved the transaction it still showed 'split' and had empty
> rows.

Removing the other splits means removing *everthing* on those lines. not just 
the ammounts.  At least that is what works for me (I am using 2.4.15 under 
CentOS 6).

> 
> > Or you can expand and right click -> remove splits (I *think* that is the
> > correct phrasing)
> 
> Well, there was a 'delete splits' option which did nothing for me but wipe
> out the 'split' in the transfer column and the amount in the credit column.
> I couldn't fix it so I essentially re-created the transaction.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Xcode project/buildable non X11 Mac version?

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At Mon, 27 May 2019 12:43:27 -0500 (CDT) kentsor  wrote:

> 
> John Ralls-2 wrote
> > No, no one has ever undertaken a MacOS-native UI for GnuCash. 
> 
> I'm surprised to hear that. The program could be very useful and far more
> popular, but the list of UI issues I could draw up would be a long one
> indeed. Accounting is unpleasant enough that I would not put up with a
> program that looks and works like this. If it was just a few issues I'd be
> more than willing to chip in and submit fixes as I have for two other
> projects but this is just so thoroughly painful and alien to use. 
> I've always seen it as the perpetual tyranny by the vocal minorities that is
> the bane of so many open source projects, forcing conformity to whatever pet
> linux distro of the day over mass appeal and usefulness to the general
> public. 

As John has said, *free* Open Source projects are always going to use *free*
Open Source GUI toolkits that support cross-platform projects. It turns out,
just about all *free* Open Source GUI toolkits have their roots in
Unix/Linux/X11. Writing a GUI-based project is hard enough, it is harder to
write multiple versions of such a project (to run on different platforms,
using different GUI toolkits). The only people who can "afford" to do that are
Microsoft, Adobe, and Intuit and the various game software houses. And that is
*all* paid software. The only way a *free* Open Source project is going to
have *any* chance of surviving on *volunteer* labor for any platform *outside*
of Linux, is if it uses a *free* Open Source *cross-platform* GUI toolkit.
This pretty much means one of the X11/Linux based toolkits, that supports
cross-platform projects. Note: there is no reason for *any* of the X11/Linux
based toolkits to be cross-platform in the first place, unless the authors /
maintainers of those toolkits put in the effort to make them work under a
non-X11/Linux system, which is actually the *hardest* part of writing and
maintaining those toolkits.

Note: even *Java* applications don't use the native GUI toolkits under 
MS-Windows and MacOSX.  And Java is the ultimate in "cross-platform".  And it 
too has its roots in Unix/X11 (after all, Sun Microsystems was building *Unix* 
based hardware).

If there is any "tyranny" going on, the people you *really* should be ranting
at are Apple and Microsoft -- they are the ones who created the *propriatory*
GUI subsystems using *closed source* toolkits. Almost all programs using the
*native* GUI (for either MS-Windows or MacOSX) are going be either
single-platform programs or *paid* software (commercial or "shareware"). And 
the "market" for non-Linux FOSS software is really very small, even though the 
number of non-Linux users is larger than the number of Linux users.  Most of 
the non-Linux computer users are more likely to *buy* software (and generally 
pay far too much for it).

> 
> I would also say that download counts of a given OS build is not any
> indication of users willing to use the program. 
> 
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Re: [GNC] List Spam (was: Need loan to upgrade my truck)

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 8 May 2019 15:11:21 -0500 Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:

> 

> There were no links though, just the message. I'm guessing a reply by me
> would generate another reply by the spammer/scammer that might escalate
> things.

Yeah.  The first message might have been a "feeler" message.

> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> > On May 8, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Robert Heller  wrote:
> > 
> > At Wed, 8 May 2019 11:58:30 -0500 Adrien Monteleone 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> Considering the ’name’ and the email address are both names but they 
> >> are different, I’d say that is a fair guess. The slight rambling tone 
> >> and the plug link was what first tipped me off.
> >> 
> >> I just got a personal spam e-mail yesterday from someone claiming they 
> >> couldn’t access the list and wanted help fixing that. (presumably they 
> >> had been using and posting to the list prior) I knew they weren’t legit 
> >> when I did a site search for their e-mail address. Nothing came up. Had 
> >> they ever posted a message, I’d have gotten a hit. (I searched parts of 
> >> my own address just to verify) I must say, it was fairly cleverly 
> >> designed, even with a screenshot of the Mailman login page. I already know 
> >> that non-members posting to the list get sent to a moderator queue where 
> >> the message can be deleted or sent through. (happened to me a few times 
> >> when I accidentally replied or posted from the wrong e-mail account) So 
> >> even sending the same message to the list itself, would be seen by the 
> >> moderator who would be the one to offer list help. (or see that the 
> >> name/e-mail address aren’t in the Mailman user base)
> >> 
> >> Not sure how the scam/phish is supposed to work since I just deleted it, 
> >> but perhaps other members should be aware of it.
> > 
> > It is based on the assumption that the receiver (eg you) is dumb enough to 
> > randomly click on the link(s) provided.
> > 
> > There is some assumption that many "webmasters" are actually people who are 
> > people with a WordPress blog and are not technically savy and will fall for 
> > a 
> > message like that.  Or else there is the assumption that random members of 
> > a 
> > mailman list are not technically savy and will fall for a message like 
> > that.  
> > Of course, sometimes the message goes to someone who is technically savy 
> > and 
> > then the scam/phish fails...
> > 
> > The scammers and spammers are getting cleverer and cleverer and are trying 
> > to 
> > get ahead of the spam detection software (both silicon and biological)...
> > 
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Re: [GNC] List Spam (was: Need loan to upgrade my truck)

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 8 May 2019 11:58:30 -0500 Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:

> 
> Considering the ’name’ and the email address are both names but they are 
> different, I’d say that is a fair guess. The slight rambling tone and the 
> plug link was what first tipped me off.
> 
> I just got a personal spam e-mail yesterday from someone claiming they 
> couldn’t access the list and wanted help fixing that. (presumably they had 
> been using and posting to the list prior) I knew they weren’t legit when I 
> did a site search for their e-mail address. Nothing came up. Had they ever 
> posted a message, I’d have gotten a hit. (I searched parts of my own 
> address just to verify) I must say, it was fairly cleverly designed, even 
> with a screenshot of the Mailman login page. I already know that non-members 
> posting to the list get sent to a moderator queue where the message can be 
> deleted or sent through. (happened to me a few times when I accidentally 
> replied or posted from the wrong e-mail account) So even sending the same 
> message to the list itself, would be seen by the moderator who would be the 
> one to offer list help. (or see that the name/e-mail address aren’t in the 
> Mailman user base)
> 
> Not sure how the scam/phish is supposed to work since I just deleted it, but 
> perhaps other members should be aware of it.

It is based on the assumption that the receiver (eg you) is dumb enough to 
randomly click on the link(s) provided.

There is some assumption that many "webmasters" are actually people who are 
people with a WordPress blog and are not technically savy and will fall for a 
message like that.  Or else there is the assumption that random members of a 
mailman list are not technically savy and will fall for a message like that.  
Of course, sometimes the message goes to someone who is technically savy and 
then the scam/phish fails...

The scammers and spammers are getting cleverer and cleverer and are trying to 
get ahead of the spam detection software (both silicon and biological)...

> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> > On May 8, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> > 
> > John Ralls  writes:
> > 
> >>> On May 8, 2019, at 5:43 AM, GeorgeMunday  
> >>> wrote:
> > [snip]
> >> 
> >> Dear Mr. Munday,
> >> 
> >> Sorry, you've stumbled into the wrong list. We discuss a Free
> >> accounting program called GnuCash here. We emphatically do not offer
> >> financial advice.
> > 
> > I am sitting here wondering if the original message was just an
> > elaborate spam email?
> > 
> >> Regards,
> >> John Ralls
> > 
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Re: [GNC] n and c?

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At Wed, 10 Apr 2019 22:01:27 -0700 ToddAndMargo  wrote:

> 
> Hi All,
> 
> On a credit card account, in the "R" column, what is "blank", "n", and 
> "c" stand for?

c = cleared
y = reconciled
n = ?

> 
> And does "R" stand for "reconcile"?

Yes

When you get your credit card statement, you match up what is on that 
statement (charges, payments, interest, fees, etc.) with what you have in 
GnyCash, and then reconcile your recorded balance (as of the statement date) 
and the balance on the statement.  If things are good (everything matches), 
you click the green circle and the c's change to y's.

> 
> Many thanks,
> -T
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Re: [GNC] Example of multi-split feature of CSV importer?

[Robert Heller]

At Mon, 18 Mar 2019 18:54:30 +0100 Geert Janssens  
wrote:

> 
> Hi Hendry,
> 
> The term split has been in use in GnuCash long before I joined the project. 
> As 
> I'm not an accountant, I don't know which would be the proper formal 
> accounting term to use in this context. And additionally it may be very hard 
> to change the use of this term throughout the project (though if there really 
> is a more correct term it may be worth gradually promoting it).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Geert
> 
> Op maandag 18 maart 2019 18:19:00 CET schreef Michael Hendry:
> > > On 18 Mar 2019, at 16:36, Patrick  wrote:
> > > 
> > > That makes sense. Thank you for the very helpful response and the example.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Patrick
> > 
> > Am I alone in finding the use of the word “split” in this context to be
> > confusing?
> > 
> > In ordinary everyday English, splitting an object involves its being
> > separated into two or more fragments.
> > 
> > When I split a log in two with an axe, the result is ONE split (the plane in
> > which the log separates) and TWO smaller logs. If I keep on going, the
> > outcome of N splits is (N - 1) smaller logs.

When you split a log, you end up two (or more) log sections (generally like
pie slices). One can say "one split that log". In the case of GnuCash, one
split the overall transation across two (or more) accounts. It is also common
English usage to "split the tab" when a group of friends goes out for dinner,
etc. This comes very close to what is happening in GnuCash.

> > 
> > In the context of double-entry bookkeeping, each transaction involves two
> > entries - one (for example) recording the issue of a cheque from a bank
> > account, and the other logging the same transaction through the appropriate
> > expense account.
> > 
> > When several expense accounts are involved in the same payment (e.g. if you
> > buy petrol, milk and a bunch of flowers at a service station) there are
> > actually three double entries. It’s convenient to record the cheque issued
> > to cover all three expenses as one entry, and to allocate an entry for each
> > of the separate expenses to put together as one (quadruple)-entry
> > transaction.
> > 
> > So what you get when you split a Gnucash transaction is two or more
> > _entries_ relating to the same financial transaction.
> > 
> > No?
> > 
> > Michael
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] "Non-sticky" scroll bars in gnucash registers

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At Tue, 5 Feb 2019 15:08:37 -0600 David Carlson  
wrote:

> 
> I was not trying to assign any blame or credit for the new scrollbars.
> IIRC I first saw one in a GTK3 application, and I was definitely upset by
> not having a page up page down function on my mouse.  If you have not seen
> that yet, you eventually will.


*Part* of what is going on is the whole "touch screen" mania, coupled with a 
bitofscroll-wheelmania.ManyUI people (the ones making design choices for 
thevariouswidgetlibraries,includingGTK3), seem to feel that nobody really
is (should?) be using their mice to access scrollbars. They really should be
using their fingers on their touch screen (everybody is using a touch screen,
right? I mean clunky things like keyboards and mice are so arcane now). Or if
they still have a mouse, they are using their scroll wheel and not really
needing a scrollbar...


> 
> David Carlson
> 
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:02 PM Colin Law  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 20:17, Steve Cohen  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/5/19 2:04 PM, David Carlson wrote:
> >> > GTK3 as default rather than GTK2.  I think those scroll bars first
> >> > appeared there but they seem to be becoming as fashionable as useless
> >> > 'antique' bathroom sinks.
> >> >
> >>
> >> While I appreciate and think I agree with the thrust of your comment,
> >> I'm not actually understanding what you mean.  Are you saying that GTK3
> >> renders scrollbars useless?  And why does GnuCash seem to be unique in
> >> how it handles this (at least among the applications I use)?
> >>
> >
> > This is yet another red herring.  I have never seen the symptom you
> > describe and I have been using Gnucash on Ubuntu for years.
> >
> > I think it would be worth eliminating the Wayland issue (though I don't
> > think it is likely to be the cause). Wayland is planned to be a replacement
> > for the X windowing s/w but it isn't really ready for general use yet. I
> > don't remember exactly what the login screen looked like on 18.04, but if
> > you logout then on the panel with your user name there may be a settings
> > icon, or possibly an Ubuntu icon and if you click that it will give you
> > some selections.  If not there then on the screen where you enter your
> > password.  First see what is marked as selected already.  You want one that
> > says Ubuntu on X or maybe just Ubuntu, but doesn't mention Wayland.  If you
> > are not sure then come back with the options available.
> >
> > Colin
> >
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Re: [GNC] How do I access the forum without using Nabble

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Re: [GNC] X Forwarding starts session on remote machine?

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> 
> On Mon., 31 Dec. 2018, 00:23 Derek Atkins  
> > Check $DISPLAY
> >
> 
> Thanks Derek, but that's my issue. $DISPLAY is set but gnucash doesn't
> forward the display ot the xserver in $DISPLAY unless I force it by
> manually supplying the $DISPLAY variable to the --display parameter.
> 
> e.g.
> 
> This works:
> 
> gnucash --display="$DISPLAY"
> 
> 
> While this doesn't:
> 
> gnucash
> 
> 
> Other non-gnome x applications work as expected. Gnome applications also
> require me to append --display "$DISPLAY" to the commandline.

This suggests either a Gnome bug or a Gnome misset gnomw-setting...

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Re: [GNC] XML File

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At Mon, 17 Dec 2018 21:33:39 + Jack Lockard  wrote:

> 
> What is GC?

GC == GnuCash

> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Colin Law  
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 4:30 PM
> To: jelock...@outlook.com
> Cc: gnucash-user 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] XML File
> 
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 at 21:15, Jack Lockard  wrote:
> >
> > Is there any way to convert a compressed XML file back to an uncompressed 
> > one?
> 
> Alternatively you can open it in GC, Change the GC settings to not compress 
> the file, and Save As.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Text Files

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At Mon, 3 Dec 2018 17:43:38 + Gareth Davies  
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone tell me why there are a load of text files in the folder I save
> Gnucash to, and can they be safely deleted.

If you mean the .log files, these are transaction logs.  You can delete them 
if you are sure your currently saved data file is 100% up-to-date and correct.
Note that there will also be a batch of GnuCash data files, with names 
containing the date and time.  These are backup copies of your data file.

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> Thanks Gareth
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Re: [GNC] Migrating to iMac from PC

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Re: [GNC] Migrating to iMac from PC

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At Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:05:56 + Colin Law  wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 14:57, R. Victor Klassen  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 28, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Colin Law  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope you are going to be running Linux on the new machine.
> > >
> > > Colin
> >
> > Why?  The iMac runs a Unix variant native. It’s called macOS
> 
> Precisely, I understood Richard to be moving to a non-Mac PC, so he
> might be intending to use Windows.  Perhaps I misunderstood.

He is moving *from* a MS-Windows machine *to* an iMac.

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Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

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At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:49:17 -0800 "Stephen M. Butler"  wrote:

> 
> On 11/27/18 4:46 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:13:37 +0100 Geert Janssens 
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls:
> >>>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
> >>> The other big issue is that your description of the various modules in a
> >>> business accounting system is for *big* business. That’s not what 
> >>> GnuCash
> >>> is designed for and not what the current development team is interested 
> >>> in,
> >>> never mind (as you point out) capable of supporting. There are a several
> >>> open-source projects in that space, search the web for “foss 
> >>> erp” to find
> >>> them. GnuCash is focussed on very small businesses (as in sole
> >>> proprietorships) and individuals.
> >> I mostly agree, yet I think many small businesses would benefit from a 
> >> simple
> >> inventory management system. My own business would have for that matter.
> >>
> >> And while inventory is not strictly accounting it would make gnucash a 
> >> viable
> >> option to quite a few extra small businesses. So I'm in two minds with 
> >> respect
> >> to inventory support and have been for quite a while. In the past I 
> >> envisioned
> >> implementing it myself (reusing certain parts of the existing code and 
> >> adding
> >> the missing bits) but for various reasons shifted to other priorities. If
> >> someone would step in to write it, I would still support the effort though.
> > "Inventory Management" is so close to managing stocks, that it should be
> > possible to implement with bit of recycling/repurposing the existing code 
> > for
> > stocks...  One can *almost* fake it now by considering physical inventory as
> > if it were a stock and using a "stock" type account.
> Hmm.  I'll have to read up on stocks.  My retirement accounts are 
> managed by a firm so I haven't felt the need to track the details.

A stock (or commodity) account contains a number of units (shares) at a value
of so much each. It is a "small" leap to think of an "account" for say a
supply of widgets valued at so much each. You would have an "account" for each
sort of widget, all grouped under some master account for one's complete
inventory. And then you would need to store the widget characteristics (size,
color, and so on) in addition to how many you have and what they are worth and
you might want to store things like base value, retail and wholesale sale
price, etc.

> >> Payroll on the other hand is not my cup of tea and likely more targeted at
> >> larger businesses.
> > Yes, a full fledged Payroll module would likely to be major bit of coding, 
> > but
> > maybe a simplified small scale Payroll module *might* be of use to smaller
> > businesses (say < 5 employees).
> 
> 
> The one I built was for a 700 employee hospital in S. California.  They 
> had strange rules about on-call and overtime.
> 
> Something for a Mom and Pop would be interesting.  Not this year!
> 
> >
> >> More generally, we can certainly use more hands to carry gnucash forward. 
> >> So
> >> Stephen your offer to lend us a hand is highly appreciated :)
> I'm curious as to how many developers contribute.
> > +1
> >
> >> Regards,
> >>
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Re: [GNC] Migrating to iMac from PC

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At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:23:27 + Michael Hendry  
wrote:

> 
> > On 27 Nov 2018, at 14:36, Robert Heller  wrote:
> >=20
> > At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:47:16 + Richard Jones =
>  wrote:
> >=20
> >>=20
> >> I know gnucash runs on both Macs and PCs but I cannot find anything =
> about
> >> the migration procedure.
> >> I have gnucash 3.3 on Windows 10. I am considering buying an Apple =
> iMac.
> >> Can my files from the PC be used on the iMac easily?
> >=20
> > I would expect, yes.  The only tricky bit is making sure your =
> "preferences"=20
> > get moved over to the proper place.  I understand that clicking on =
> data files=20
> > does not work properly on the Mac -- the file clicked on does not open =
> -- you=20
> > just have to use the File=3D>Open menu item and navigate from there.
> >=20
> >> Thanks
> >> Richard
> 
> A mild correction here: double-clicking on data files in the Finder on a =
> Mac (the equivalent of Windows Explorer) DOES usually result in the file =
> being opened by the appropriate program, but this doesn=E2=80=99t always =
> work for programs ported from other environments.

I was refering to the fact that *GnuCash* is one of the cases where it doesn't 
work, probably because it is one of those "programs ported from other 
environments".  I understand that *in general* Finder will open the proper 
program and open the selected file when the file icon is double-clicked.


> 
> The same applies to email attachments.
> 
> For example, if LibreOffice has been opened during a session, =
> double-clicking one of its data files works OK, but if it=E2=80=99s the =
> first time it=E2=80=99s been opened since the last reboot, LibreOffice =
> crashes.
> 
> If you try this with a .gnucash file GnuCash starts up normally, but it =
> doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily open the file you clicked on - it opens the =
> most recently opened .gnucash file.
> 
> If Frescobaldi is already running, double-clicking a .ly file in Finder =
> will open the file, but if Frescobaldi isn=E2=80=99t already running, it =
> will be started up, but with no file opened.
> 
> MacVim will open a double-clicked file without complaint.
> 
> 
> I=E2=80=99m not sure what to make of this from a programmer=E2=80=99s =
> point of view, but it seems that the parameters passed by the operating =
> system to the program that is being started aren=E2=80=99t being =
> correctly interpreted by that program once it is running - to the extent =
> of causing it to crash in the case of LibreOffice.

I think Finder does not pass filename parameters "on the command line", but 
instead uses some inter-process communication API and not all programs are 
coded to handle that properly, mostly because most non-Mac programers are 
expecting things to just "show up" in argc/argv.  I believe MS-Windows (of all 
things) does pass things to argc/argv, at least for programs coded Posix-style 
(int main(int argv,char *argv[]) {...}).  Linux's GUI file managers all do the 
Posix thing.

> 
> Michael=
> 
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Re: [GNC] Migrating to iMac from PC

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At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:47:16 + Richard Jones  
wrote:

> 
> I know gnucash runs on both Macs and PCs but I cannot find anything about
> the migration procedure.
> I have gnucash 3.3 on Windows 10. I am considering buying an Apple iMac.
> Can my files from the PC be used on the iMac easily?

I would expect, yes.  The only tricky bit is making sure your "preferences" 
get moved over to the proper place.  I understand that clicking on data files 
does not work properly on the Mac -- the file clicked on does not open -- you 
just have to use the File=>Open menu item and navigate from there.

> Thanks
> Richard
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Re: [GNC] Accounting Modules

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At Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:13:37 +0100 Geert Janssens  
wrote:

> 
> Op dinsdag 27 november 2018 00:17:06 CET schreef John Ralls:
> > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Stephen M. Butler  wrote:
> > The other big issue is that your description of the various modules in a
> > business accounting system is for *big* business. That’s not what GnuCash
> > is designed for and not what the current development team is interested in,
> > never mind (as you point out) capable of supporting. There are a several
> > open-source projects in that space, search the web for “foss erp” to 
> > find
> > them. GnuCash is focussed on very small businesses (as in sole
> > proprietorships) and individuals.
> 
> I mostly agree, yet I think many small businesses would benefit from a simple 
> inventory management system. My own business would have for that matter.
> 
> And while inventory is not strictly accounting it would make gnucash a viable 
> option to quite a few extra small businesses. So I'm in two minds with 
> respect 
> to inventory support and have been for quite a while. In the past I 
> envisioned 
> implementing it myself (reusing certain parts of the existing code and adding 
> the missing bits) but for various reasons shifted to other priorities. If 
> someone would step in to write it, I would still support the effort though.

"Inventory Management" is so close to managing stocks, that it should be 
possible to implement with bit of recycling/repurposing the existing code for 
stocks...  One can *almost* fake it now by considering physical inventory as 
if it were a stock and using a "stock" type account.

> 
> Payroll on the other hand is not my cup of tea and likely more targeted at 
> larger businesses.

Yes, a full fledged Payroll module would likely to be major bit of coding, but
maybe a simplified small scale Payroll module *might* be of use to smaller
businesses (say < 5 employees).

> 
> More generally, we can certainly use more hands to carry gnucash forward. So 
> Stephen your offer to lend us a hand is highly appreciated :)

+1

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Geert
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Re: [GNC] No Maximise button on 3.3 in Ubuntu 18.10

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At Fri, 12 Oct 2018 14:39:11 +0100 Colin Law  wrote:

> 
> Running Gnucash 3.3 in Ubuntu 18.10 Beta from the Ubuntu repository
> there is no maximise button, and the window will not maximise by the
> usual shortcut methods.  Has anyone else seen anything similar?
> Should I file a bug under the Ubuntu system or gnucash?

Window [size] management (maximize,minimize,resize, etc.) is a function of the
window manager (duh). Can you maximise any other application windows under
Ubuntu 18.10 Beta?

It *might* be an issue with the GUI toolkit gnucash is using or *possibly* a 
gnucash bug in how gnucash is using that GUI toolkit.


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Re: [GNC] Posting

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"Posting" an invoice effectively "sets it in stone" -- it locks the invoice as
the final incarnation and creates the transaction(s) in Receivables and thus
makes the invoice receivable. Until you post it, the invoice is just a "work
in progress". For example, as you complete work items for the client, you
would add a line item to the invoice. When the job is done, or its the end of
the pay period (week, month, quarter, etc.), you would then post the invoice
and (if the job is ongoing) start a new one. It has nothing to do with
actually sending the invoice to the customer.




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> 
> I am so new to this program. I am wondering if when I 'post' something, 
> does it automatically email the invoice to the client?  I haven't been 
> able to find any information to confirm whether this is the case.  Thank 
> you.
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Re: [GNC] Chromebooks

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At Sun, 7 Oct 2018 13:47:05 -0500 Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:

> 

> Ideally, one should be able to choose a repository with a more up to date
> version so you don't have to build. (such as sid)

There could (will) be issues with dependencies...

> 
> If I had the hardware to test, I'd go through the build and add the recipe
> to the wiki, but alas...(anyone?)

I expect a VM running an appropriate version of Debian or Ubuntu would work to 
build a viable .deb file or even a binary .tar.bz2 file, that could be 
dropped / unpacked into /usr/local/ or /opt/, etc.

> 
> But note, you can install flatpak and use that version as well.
> 

Assuming there aren't dependencies issues...

> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
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> > 
> > At Sun, 7 Oct 2018 10:19:51 -0500 (CDT) randix  
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> thanks, unfortunately, also get the message, "error while installing"
> > 
> > OK, it looks like *someone* needs to build a newer version of GnuCash under 
> > ChromeOS OR really under the version of Debian used by ChromeOS or possibly 
> > a 
> > version of Ubuntu that is binary compatible with the version of Debian used 
> > by 
> > ChromeOS.  *I* *have* VMs running Ubuntu 14.04 and could probably create 
> > VMs 
> > running 16.04 or even 18.04, but I have no clue which (if any) are binary 
> > compatible with ChromeOS...  I don't have the wherewithall to install 
> > Debian 
> > itself (I have dialup Internet so I cannot do any sort of network install 
> > -- I 
> > do have a local repo for Ubuntu 14.04, 16.04, and 18.04 on a removable disk 
> > that I sneakernet to someplace to rsync it up to date from time to time).
> > 
> > The *ideal* option would be to build from sources on the chromebook itself. 
> >  I 
> > guess that would be possible, just a bit non-trivial.
> > 
> > Is there any way to get a more detailed message than "error while 
> > installing"? 
> > Eg. which dependencies are missing, etc.  It *could* be possible to hunt 
> > down 
> > additional (missing) packages and install them.  Or something like that.
> > 
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Re: [GNC] Chromebooks

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> When I try and type the following at the command line: sudo apt-cache showpkg
> gnucash
> 
> I get:
> 
> ERROR: Unknown command:  SUDO

Did you type sudo or SUDO.  It makes a difference!

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Re: [GNC] Chromebooks

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At Sun, 7 Oct 2018 10:19:51 -0500 (CDT) randix  wrote:

> 
> thanks, unfortunately, also get the message, "error while installing"

OK, it looks like *someone* needs to build a newer version of GnuCash under 
ChromeOS OR really under the version of Debian used by ChromeOS or possibly a 
version of Ubuntu that is binary compatible with the version of Debian used by 
ChromeOS.  *I* *have* VMs running Ubuntu 14.04 and could probably create VMs 
running 16.04 or even 18.04, but I have no clue which (if any) are binary 
compatible with ChromeOS...  I don't have the wherewithall to install Debian 
itself (I have dialup Internet so I cannot do any sort of network install -- I 
do have a local repo for Ubuntu 14.04, 16.04, and 18.04 on a removable disk 
that I sneakernet to someplace to rsync it up to date from time to time).

The *ideal* option would be to build from sources on the chromebook itself.  I 
guess that would be possible, just a bit non-trivial.

Is there any way to get a more detailed message than "error while installing"? 
Eg. which dependencies are missing, etc.  It *could* be possible to hunt down 
additional (missing) packages and install them.  Or something like that.

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Re: [GNC] Chromebooks

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At Sun, 7 Oct 2018 08:12:14 -0500 (CDT) randix  wrote:

> 
> thanks to some other replies, i have located some "deb" files, the 3.3 ones
> didn't work (installation error), but i'm trying one for 2.6 and it says
> "installation in progress" so we'll see what happens.

The 3.3 ones probably want newer / different dependent libraries.  Such is 
"normal" in the Linux world.  I'm still using 2.4.15 on my CentOS 6 machines 
(really old library versions).  It does what I need and when I upgrade to 
CentOS 7, I'll also upgrade to a newer GnuCash...

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Re: [GNC] Chromebooks

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At Sun, 7 Oct 2018 07:48:52 -0500 (CDT) randix  wrote:

> 
> Colin... I'm so desperate to get gnucash back, I'll take the 1950
> version!
> 
> When I go to gnucash.org and click on the distributable option, all I get
> are options for windows and mac. For Linux it says, what I am printing
> below. Obviously I did not get a "linux distribution" I simply turned it on
> in chromebooks.  When I go to look at older versions, I don't see a linux
> install option.  Not only do I not have a desire to build it from scratch, I
> wouldn't know where to start.
> 
> Is there no place I can download a file apparently with a "deb" extension
> for a linux install?  I don't care what version it is.  Or am I
> missing something (again)???

This is the deal: The gnucash.org site only has Mac and MS-Windows versions of
gnucash.org. In the Mac and MS-Windows there isn't any sort of OS supported
repository of software (except what Apple and Microsoft (or their "partners")
*sell* -- there isn't a group of people maintaining a collection of open
source software that can be installed with the OS's package management system
-- dpkg/apt-get for Debian flavored (Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, and (appearently)
ChromOS), rpm/yum for RedHat flavors (Fedora, RHEL/CentOS, Mandrake, Suse,
etc.). Since ChromOS is based on Debian, you need a .deb file (this is the
binary built for a Debian flavored Linux and is something dpkg knows how to
deal with and it is what apt-get will snarf from a repository and pass onto
dpkg. (Appearently there are GUI / point-and-click wrappers for dpkg and/or
apt-get).

Many advanced / adventuresome Linux users will download the source and have 
all kinds of fun (at the command line) with the likes of configure and make to 
build gnucash from source, but it sounds like that is beyond your skill / 
knowledge / comfort level. Otherwise most Linux users will either do

apt-get install gnucash
OR
yum install gnucash

Depending on the flavor of Linux they are using and this will install a 
version of GnuCash that was built just for their flavor of Linux.  These 
*binary* versions are built and maintained by the keepers of the Linux open 
source repositories and are updated from time to time.  It does not appear 
to be as easy to do this for ChromOS, but it appears to be *close*.  There 
appears to be things you can do to hook into the base Debian or possibly a 
Debian-derived repository (Ubuntu) and get a .deb file when can then be 
installed on your Chromebook.  A little extra work, but it looks like it is 
doable.



> 
> 
> 
> 
> Linux
> Most linux distributions come bundled with a version of GnuCash, though it's
> not always the most recent version and it may not have been installed by
> default. Still it is recommended to use the GnuCash version that comes with
> your distribution.
> 
> Below are ways to install GnuCash on some of the more popular distributions:
> 
> Fedora: Fedora users can install GnuCash through
> System->Administration->Add/Remove Software (Gnome) or
> Applications->System->Software Management (KDE).
> Mandriva: Mandriva users can install GnuCash through the Software Management
> in the Mandriva Linux Control Center.
> Redhat/Centos: Redhat and CentOS don't have GnuCash in their repositories by
> default. It can be installed however from the third-party Epel repository.
> For more details on configuring this additional software repository for your
> setup, see Epel's wiki page.
> Solus: Solus users can install GnuCash through the Software Center (Office
> Software -> Financial Software -> gnucash).
> Ubuntu: Ubuntu users can install GnuCash through the Software Center. This
> will install GnuCash under the Office category in the Applications menu.
> If your distro doesn't ship with GnuCash or you wish to install a different
> version than it ships with, you could try to build GnuCash directly from the
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> 
> Source code
> bzip2 compressed tarball for GnuCash 3.3
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Re: [GNC] Chromebooks

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At Sun, 7 Oct 2018 06:37:03 -0500 (CDT) randix  wrote:

> 
> Ok, so I downloaded an app that decompresses on a chromebook the tar.bz file
> I downloaded, but there's a long list of files and none of them end in
> ".deb" which I understand is the Linux installation file, so obviously (?) I
> downloaded the wrong one... can you point me to what I should have
> downloaded?

You downloaded the source.  Now you need to compile it...  The .deb file is 
not on the gnucash.org site.  A newer version might be available in another 
Debian-ish repo (eg Ubuntu or a PPA).

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Re: [GNC] Chromebooks

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At Sun, 7 Oct 2018 04:51:42 -0500 (CDT) randix  wrote:

> 
> Ok, I think I'm getting closer... after some more research and exploring...
> 
> 1. I have the latest Google Pixel Chromebook which does support the Linux
> option
> 
> 2. With the help of the following recent article (different from what I
> posted earlier), it was quite simple to turn the Linux option ON.
> 
> https://www.androidcentral.com/how-install-linux-apps-your-chromebook
> <https://www.androidcentral.com/how-install-linux-apps-your-chromebook>  
> 
> 3. If you refer to the article, I've now reached the point where it says
> "Download and Install an application"
> 
> *4. I went to www.gnucash.org and under "Download GnuCash 3.3" it lists
> Linux and gives 2 options from which to download, "Source" and "via
> distribution". I chose "source" and it downloaded, gnucash-docs-3.3.tar.gz.
> 
> 4a. [QUESTION] Is that the right file for me to download?

Only if you have also installed all of the build tools (compilers, binutils) 
and -dev dependencies (various lib*-dev packages) and then plan on building it 
(./configure; make; sudo make install).

> 
> 4b. [QUESTION] The final instructions from the article in #5 below are very
> clear, but how do I extract/decompress the downloaded file in "4a." above on
> my Chromebook, and will it create one file with a "deb" extension?*

Not directly.

> 
> 5. These are the article instructions for the remaining steps:
> 
> /Once the installation file is downloaded, open the File browser.
> Click Downloads.
> Copy and paste the .deb installation file to the Linux files folder.
> 
> Click Linux files
> Right click or two finger tap on the trackpad while your pointer hovers over
> the file name.
> Click Install with Linux (Beta).
> The program will install, and when it's done, you can open it from the app
> drawer. That's it!/
> 
> Thanks for your assistance, again...
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Chromebooks

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At Sat, 6 Oct 2018 14:08:00 -0500 (CDT) randix  wrote:

> 
> Thanks, Robert. I lost my laptop this morning, and already going through
> withdrawal without GnuCash (I do have backups galore, but backups without a
> program to run them is like a hot fudge sundae without the ice cream). Have
> an available chromebook to use but didn't/don't have a clue what to do with
> it, re gnucash.  Re your post, "Linux + Google's GUI layer" I'm in the
> dark...can you send me someplace so I can understand and implement?

A chromebook runs ChromOS.  ChromOS is a version of Linux, with Google's GUI 
frontend.  I *believe* a Linux build of GnuCash should run under ChromOS.  
What I don't know is how one would install GnuCash on a chromebook.  I run an 
older version of CentOS (6) and GnuCash 2.4.15 is in the epel repo, so it is 
trivial to install with the package manager (yum/rpm).  I don't know how extra 
/ third party software is installed under ChromOS.  I don't know if there is a 
prebuilt binary for ChromOS.  There are binaries in repos for many other 
Linux distros.  If it is possible to install the build infrastructure 
(compilers, libraries, etc.) for ChromOS, it should be possible to build from 
source.

> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Chromebooks

[Robert Heller]

Chrome == Linux + Google's GUI layer.


At Sat, 6 Oct 2018 13:53:42 -0500 (CDT) randix  wrote:

> 
> Did a search, didn't find much, and it was a while ago.
> 
> No options re running gnucash [portable] on Chromebooks?
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash won't open

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At Sun, 23 Sep 2018 01:40:55 + (UTC) Alison Fox  wrote:

> 
> It works now.  Although I had placed Gnucash.dmg in the Application folder, 
> it still didn't work - I would go to open and the app icon would disappear.  
> That is when I reached out to the group for advice.  
> 
> Once I followed your debug advice, I opened Gnucash from the Applications 
> folder (through Finder) - all my files appeared.  Then I dragged a copy of 
> the application onto my Dock and now I can open Gnucash directly by clicking 
> on that icon.  
> 
> I hope this explanation makes sense.    Thanks again.

My *guess* is that the original icon you had in the launcher pointed to the 
dmg folder.  Then you created an icon from the program under Applications, 
which did (and does) work.


> 
>  
> 
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018, 9:25:35 PM EDT, John Ralls 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  So it launches from the command line but not from Finder? That's not good. 
> Please run Applications:Utilities:Console and select "User Reports" in the 
> sidebar and see if there are any reports whose name begins with "Gnucash".
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
> > On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Alison Fox  wrote:
> > 
> > Thank you. Your suggestion (see below) for going to Applications and and 
> > adding the prompt did work.  Below, to remind everyone, is your suggestion.
> > 
> >  try opening Applications:Utilities:Terminal and at the prompt typing
> >  /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash --debug
> > 
> > Thanks again.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Saturday, September 22, 2018, 8:35:02 PM EDT, John Ralls 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Sep 22, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Alison Fox via gnucash-user 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi.
> > > Hoping someone can help me.  I am on a MacAir running MacOS High Sierra 
> > > version 10.13.4
> > > When I went to open Gnucash, it will not open.  I tried several ways, 
> > > but it says the software may not be compatible.  I downloaded the latest 
> > > version.  It downloads and I saved and open the application.  It 
> > > verifies it and then asks if I want to open it even thought from 
> > > Internet.  I say yes.  It looks like the icon is bouncing and about to 
> > > open, but then it simply vanishes.
> > > I can't get my files and I can't open the older version or the one I just 
> > > downloaded.  Any suggestions?
> > 
> > 
> > It's not clear from your description that you dragged Gnucash.app out of 
> > the dmg folder to somewhere else (usually the main Applications folder). If 
> > you didn't, do so.
> > 
> > The next thing to check is the trace file (see 
> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Trace_File). If there are no errors there, 
> > try opening Applications:Utilities:Terminal and at the prompt typing
> >  /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash --debug
> > 
> > See if it displays anything to the terminal window; it will also write a 
> > much larger trace file that might shed some light on the problem.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> > 
> > 
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Re: [GNC] How do I enter a transaction with an account not in the Gnucash ledger?

[Robert Heller]

At Sun, 9 Sep 2018 11:59:57 -0700 Mark Phillips  
wrote:

> 
> How do I enter the following transaction in gnucash?
> 
> I have a business checking account and a personal checking account. My
> Gnucash file only tracks the business checking account. Occasionally, I
> grab the wrong debit card from my wallet to pay for a business expense.
> 
> For example, let's say I use my personal debit card to pay $100 of business
> expenses. For this example let's say I bought $100 of nuts and bolts (since
> I feel like a nut not being able to work this out). How do I enter this
> transaction into my business Gnucash ledger to account for (1) transferring
> money out of my business checking to reimburse my personal checking and (2)
> record the expense in the appropriate business account?

You will have to add an additional account for this.  Call it "personal 
reimbursment account" or whatever.  Not sure what type of account (could just 
be a "bank account").

You would either make one transaction with a set of splits:

$100 *from* "personal reimbursment account" *to* "Nuts and Bolts account"
$100 *from* "business checking" *to* "personal reimbursment account"

Or two separate transactions, which might make sense if there is a "delay" in 
the reimbursment (eg you don't get around to it for a couple of days, etc.).

At the end of the day, the "personal reimbursment account" is normally at a 
balance of $0, except when you "grab the wrong debit card" and when you handle 
the reimbursment.

> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Mark
> 
> PS The good news is I have only done this twice since 2015!
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Re: [GNC] GNC List and DKIM (was Re: how to share style sheets between computers in GnuCash 3.1?)

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At Fri, 06 Jul 2018 09:47:52 -0400 Derek Atkins  wrote:

> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Geert Janssens  writes:
> 
> >> BTW I get a lot of DKIM rejection reports from recipient servers when I
> >> send mail to the list.  Is that because the list server strips the
> >> anti-spam headers from my message before it forwards it out?  Maybe there
> >> is a patch for that.
> >> 
> > I don't know. This is something our mailing list adminstrator may know more 
> > about... Forwarding back to the list...
> 
> Could you forward me one (or more) of these rejection notices?  Then I
> can take a look at the logs or at least try to come up with an idea of
> what's going on.
> 
> The mailing list is set up to munge email addresses with DMARC, but if
> you don't have DMARC set up then I'm not sure why you'd even get DKIM
> backflow -- unless you're signalling in DKIM, somehow, to block the
> messages.  But I'm not sure how you would signal that purely in DKIM.
> 
> For what it's worth, I have DKIM set up on my address (not this one) and
> when I send to the gnucash lists I do not receive any blowback.
> 
> If you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/557493 you'll see
> that DKIM headers should not be stripped out.  On the other hand,
> currently, the list server is NOT set up to (re-)sign outgoing
> messages.  This is certainly something on the To Do list to fix, but
> requires lots of moving parts to get set up.

*Some* of the E-Mail providers out there are getting picky WRT DMARC/DKIM.  It 
seems like getting DMARC/DKIM *fully* set up on the outbound SMTP server used 
by Gnucash's Mailman list might be getting more urgent on the To Do list...

> 
> >> Mark
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Re: virus download version 3.0

[Robert Heller]

I think "Windows Defender" detects any exe that is not "Official Microsoft" as 
a "virus", unless an exception is set.


At Tue, 3 Apr 2018 13:01:15 +1000 Dave H <hell...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Symantec Endpoint Protection on Win 10 Enterprise here didn't detect any
> issues with the file.
> 
> Cheers Dave H.
> 
> On 3 April 2018 at 12:35, Dave via gnucash-user <gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > Downloaded from official GnuCash.org which lead me to the official Source
> > Forge download page.
> >
> > For Windows 10 OS
> >
> > Windows Defender detected.
> >
> > Trojan Win32 Azden/B!cl
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Frank H. Ellenberger <frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 10:29 AM
> > To: dtep...@yahoo.com; gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > Subject: Re: virus download version 3.0
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Am 03.04.2018 um 04:20 schrieb Dave via gnucash-user:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm getting a virus when I download version 3.0
> >
> > * From which URL did you download?
> > * Did you verify the signature?
> > * Which AV reported which message?
> >
> > * Can you cross check with https://www.virustotal.com or similar?
> >
> > Regards
> > Frank
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