[Goanet] DEAR AUNTY No. 16 - WEEKLY HUMOR :-))
DEAR AUNTY No. 16 - WEEKLY TOP 12: _ 1. DEAR AUNTY, I'm a Goan poder (baker), who wants to be a Hollywood star! Give me a good floury screen name so I can be famous and marry Angelina Jolie ?Pittulo . Dear Pittulo: 'Bread Pitto' ? (Brad Pitt, dummy!)* ___ 2. DEAR AUNTY, How come you so kind Aunty, yet Uncle Willy always stings us? Gilbert . Dear Gilbert:Don't worry Gilly - Uncle may bite but Aunti-dotes on you ! (antidotes!)* ___ 3. DEAR AUNTY, The Bible tells us Adam was made of clay Eve from his side. What about the first Indians was he the same, and she clay from his side ?Marty ... Dear Marty: Yes. That's why he's Shri and she's Shri-matti ! (matti=clay)* ___ 4. DEAR AUNTY, My grandma's curry is scary - so hot I need to 'run'! What to do? Cody .. Dear Cody: I think you better scurry home to Mum's ! ___ 5. DEAR AUNTY, Now the story's out ! The Goan band 'Lynx' tried to crash Viva Goa and caused all the commotion ! What did the Toronto cops do ? Gabe .. Dear Gabe: 'cuff Lynx ?(cuff-links !)* ___ 6. DEAR AUNTY, My maid makes chapatis from leftover dough - but why do they smell? Pittor Dear Pittor: Maybe they're 'roti'ing ?(rotting!)* ___ 7. DEAR AUNTY, Elections near, yet the politicos still squabbling over posts ! You think Narvekar should sit in CMs chair wear CM's coat, in the rains?Sonia ... Dear Sonia: It'll only be a short reign-coat, for soon he'll be throne out! ___ 8. DEAR AUNTY, Do you really need us, or are uncle you just happy with each other ? Jen . Dear Jen: Without 'U' darling, neither a'U'nty nor 'U'ncle can exist ! ___ 9. DEAR AUNTY, That was a great King knock-knock, now do a Kung knock-knock !Bruce ... Dear Bruce: Knock ! Knock !...Who's there ?.Kung !! Kung who ??..Arree, Kung who nu re, Kung FU !! ___ 10. DEAR AUNTY, Yr Sol-Fa jokes are fab ! Shall I buy a cow or a buffalo, to eat ?Remy ... Dear Re-Me: I'm So Re, but Re-Do's are not very Me-Ti ! (So Re=sorry) (Re-Do=Buffalo) ___(Me-Ti=meaty)___ 11. DEAR AUNTY, I went to meet my French friend Jacques at Dabolim airport. When I saw him and shouted Hi Jack!, I was arrested. Why Jacques let me down ?Rene .. Dear Rene: With 'France' like these, who needs enemies ?! ___ 12. DEAR AUNTY, The Middle East guerr(war) is escalating - want to join in, aunty? Anan .. Dear Anan: No guerr-aunty, no warr-aunty ! ___ Disclaimer: all material original [EMAIL PROTECTED] *translations for non-konkani readers worldwide. Do forward with due acknowledgement. For Aunty Pontys photos of Toronto's Viva Goa 2006 click on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] ROMAN DEAL OF PRATAP NAIK?
ROMI DEAL There are very strong indications that the fanatic Pratap Naik has struck a deal with the RSS Chief, Subhas Velinkar. The RSS brigade and even senior BJP leaders have been making statements that the only languages which deserve to be official languages in Goa are Marathi and Konkani in the Roman script. The objective is to marginalise the secular elements in the Konkani movement who have always strongly condemned the RSS conspiracy to polarise Goa along communal lines. The BJP and the RSS have been extending support to the demand for equal status for Romi Konkani as the official language of the State. Not because they are interested in Romi Konkani but because it serves their purpose of dividing Goa on communal lines. I understand that the deal between Pratap Naik, who has been the most hysterical of those demanding equal official language status for Romi Konkani, is that the RSS and the BJP will extend full support to Romi Konkani. Aparently Parrikar and Velingkar assured Pratap Naik that the BJP would support any amendment to confer equal status to Romi Konkani in the Legislative Assembly. In return, apparently, Pratap Naik has assured Subhash Velingkar that the Romi Konkani leaders will support or at least not oppose the demand for equal status for Marathi. It is unfortunate that the Romi Konkani leaders and even some prominent parish priests have fallen into the RSS trap. I would like to reiterate that the best solution would be to amend the Official Language Act to provide that Romi Konkani along with Marathi shall be used for any or all official purposes, including the knowledge of Konkani for recruitment to government jobs. To meet the legitimate grievances of the Romi Konkaniwadis, it can also be stipulated that they will get equal representation an patronage in all official language bodies. (Stray thoughts by Rajan Narayan in the Goan Observer) FR. NAIK'S CLARIFICATION: Fr. Pratap Naik castigated Mr Rajan Narayan for fomenting confusion associating him with Mr Subhash Velingker stating that the two were hand in glove to pursue the Romi issue and as a quid pro quo support the demand for Marathi as official language. He said that his demand is for Konkani in Roman script with Devanagari . He questioned Mr Narayan -- how could a man ---referring to RSS chief in Goa Mr Subhash Velingker a teacher,- who had in his article called St Francis Xavier Sant or Saitan in Sunaparant daily be linked to Fr Pratap Naik? Fr Naik stated that most of the Press resorted to distortion of news and provoked confusion. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Tiatrist Babli arrives.
TIATRIST BABLI ARRIVED IN KUWAIT. Just today in the morning at 7.30 the youthful and blooming Babli, daughter of Ophelia and late Bab Peter reached Kuwait. She was received at the Kuwait International Airport by the president of Kuwait Goan Association Salvador Dias from Curtorim and Fidelis Fernandes, brother of Rosary Ferns, from Colva. This is the first trip of Babli to Kuwait after 20 years. She first came to Kuwait twenty years back when she was a small baby girl along with her parents who all came to participate in the Tiatro written and directed by Rosary Ferns only. She stays in Kuwait city along with her mother and Antonette de Calangute and her contact number is 2413634. She will play a major role in this Tiatro and sing beautiful duet and solos and also Cantos. This is going to be a rare occasion for the audience to witness her acting and singing along with her mother Ophelia. The other visiting artistes are William de Curtorim, John D'Silva, Osvi Viegas, Antonette de Calangute and Ophelia. To avoid last minute disappointment, Tiatro goers should book their seats in advance. Entry passes are available with organizers and Raja Stores. This Tiatro Ghor Bhandlem Ghorabo Moddlo written and directed by Rosary Ferns will be staged by Kuwait Goan Association. All are requested to come in time so that delay in starting the Tiatro can be avoided and since everything is smooth, there should be no need for delay if all reach in time. According to the organisers, they are going to start the Tiatro without delay. Hence, they seek cooperation from all. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] WEAR CASTE UP YOUR SLEEVES - TO UNDERSTAND GROUND REALITIES
Hi Gilbert I am afraid you are incorrect in your understanding of ground realities especially when you use the word caste entirely a misnomer in America, as somehow equivalent to the concept of caste in India. Instead of your word caste in America, the terms ethnic minorities, community groups, hyphenated Americans, newcomers or even new social classes would definitely be more appropriate in your hopeful search for an appropriate term to make your point re America. On another point, you seem to suggest, incorrectly that, lower caste groups in India are happy to stay within their low status position by wearing caste on their sleeves, in clearly, your unmistakable apology for caste. The very substantial literature on caste in India does not support your commonsense view at all. There are several ways lower caste groups have historically opted for mobility within the caste structure or endeavoured to get out of their caste groups. Minimally, if you read outstanding research by Scrinivas you will note that he has talked about intentional processes like westernization, sanskritization and change of religion as means to get out of the binds of traditional Hindu caste. Others have been more radical politically and are treating caste and casteism as racist on the global scene. They are making good progress even though India, refused, for now, to admit casteism as racism at the last international conference on racism (in 2004, from memory) held in Durban, South Africa. No Gilbert, the smart guys you so deride are much smarter than you think! You have also persisted in repeating your erroneous view in this post, about a relative static and unchanging caste situation in India. So let me be of some help re essential reading for you, from a small selection (non alphabetically presented) of my books on caste from my home bookshelf. After all, Goanet is a learning instrument: Deliege R. (1999) The Untouchables in India. New York. Berg Publications. Kothari R. (1991 reprint) Caste in Indian Politics. New Delhi. Orient Longman Ltd. Thapar R. (Eds) (1996 reprint) Tribe, Caste and Religion in India. New Delhi. Macmillan Press. Michael S. M. (ed) (1999) Dalits in Modern India: Vision and Values.New Delhi. Vistaar Publications. Sharma K.L. (1999) Caste and Class in India. New Delhi. Rawat Publications. Charsley S. R. and Karanth G.K. (Eds) ( 1998) Challenging Untouchability: Dalit Initiative and Experience from Karnataka. New Delhi. Sage Publications. Robb P. (1996) Dalit Movements and the Meaning of Labour. New Delhi. Oxford University Press. Sharma U. (1999) Caste. Buckinghamshire, England. Open University Press. Massey J. (1995) Dalits in India: Religion as a Source of Bondage or Liberation With Special Reference to Christians. New Delhi. Manohar Press. Ahmad I. (1978) Caste and Social Stratification among Muslims in India. New Delhi. Manohar Press. Finally, Gilbert, to make sense of how minorities adjust in their new destinations of migration you will find the next two books particularly illuminating. The first relates to the UK. The second, has excellent historical material about what you call mainstreaming in the USA. Eade J (1989) The Politics of Community: The Bangladeshi Community in East London. Avebury Press, Aldershot, England. Rex J. (1986) Race and Ethnicity. Milton Keynes, Open University Press. Very best regards and hopefully, pleasant reading. Cornel - Original Message - From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:14 PM Subject: [Goanet] WEAR CASTE UP YOUR SLEEVES - TO UNDERSTAND GROUND REALITIES MOST (specially the lower caste) use caste to protect and preserve their identity. In India, the Hindus use caste to maintain their religious path (deity) and way of life. In the USA, the caste (each immigrant group) maintained their identity for the same reasons for about two generations. Then they were confident in joining the main stream. But they still strive to maintain their identity through their ethnic religious and social rituals, socials and festivals THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. It is by protecting their identity, many social groups in India and the world have survived in numbers rather than economic wealth. Now these groups are using the same numbers to fight for a share of the political clout and economic wealth. This is something that Catholic Goans (the smart and intelligent) can learn from others. Kind Regards, GL godfrey gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The indelible mark of caste -- has been the hallmark of rise or fall in the Indian social ladder. It is merit by birth and not ones worth that dictates your social status. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Christian Goanet. Religion-bashing Bigotry
Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My contract allows me to work in at least 14 more countries. Good for you, Joe. I am especially glad that Saudi was your top choice from the 14 countries. What does your contract allow you to do? The short answer is that I do not have a contract. It seems insane to limit my aspirations to a good contract. Secondly, no one has stopped me from worshiping in a Church, at anytime or any place. I still do! So theres the answers to your two questions. You are dead wrong on both counts. I believe you! Now if you can give me the time and place of mass on the Lord's day, I could pass on the info to the citizens of Saudi and the Chancellor of the OBL University. Finally, the only thing I agree with you is that you have not stopped being a teenager. :-( What can I say, Joe? I am different things to different people. Some get the impression I am retired , others that I am a teenager. Now that I answered both your questions, can you tell us what makes a pious Christian like you to privately send me several hate-mails? Er, you are the one who started the hate mails by publically accusing me of sending you a virus. I could have easily replied with a public, So, have you stopped beating your wife yet? Instead, I offered to identify the sender of the virus. Your reply, essentially, is that it is more to your advantage if I do not identify the evil perpetrator. Mervyn3.0 Actually, evil has little or nothing to do with the concept of God. The concept of God simply highlights the difference between good and evil. - Mario Goveia __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] GOA'S OWN CYBER-BALCAO: LESSONS TO LEARN ON THE INTERNET SUPERHIGHWAY
Hello Goanetters Different people buy news papers for different reasons, Some to read the political news, hence will start from page 1, others will go for the Sports page to start with, and gradually to the beginning, yet there are others who will first go to Business news, and than other things in the news papers. For me, its first letters to the editor and than editorials and than the remaining. Letters to the editor has always interested me as it has been the individual voice to subjects unlike the news, which can be the editors voice depending on his affiliation to the politician, like in Goa, we always used to say Navhind times was pro Government, and O'Heraldo was the opposite. But in letters to the editor, people don't care a damn, they will write what is in their minds, and well sometimes, the editor will shorten it either loosing the entire meaning of the letter for which it was intended for due to shortage of space, or maybe he did not like some words in the letter and sometimes it will carry the whole message of the writer but in brief. When I first was given a print out of Goanet, digest format, I was thrilled with the discussions going on it and I immediately subscribed for it, I think now almost 3 years ago? And since than I have been a big fan of Goanet. Sometimes joining in the discussions, and best part is making friends. Goanet to me is a complete letters to the editor column with plenty of news coming from various writers like Godfrey, Fred, and others. It was nice reading the article with the above subject by by V. M. de Malar and its very true to what he has written. Thanks Malar, for bringing my thoughts thru your writings. Cheers to Goanet and all its writers and readers. Jerry Fernandes by V. M. de Malar wrote ..Eddie Fernandes came online, the veteran librarian had access to superb search engines and posted news articles from around the world with relevance for Goa. And so Goanet became the best one-stop source for Goa-related international news. Fred Noronha came online at the same time, the Saligao-based journalist fed Goanet with locally generated news and views. And bolstered by these miraculously free services that materialized on your desktop almost instantaneously, the membership of Goanet soared from a couple of score to a couple of thousand. Goa's pre-eminent contemporary historian, Dr. Teotonio de Souza joined the network from his university in Portugal. Writers like Victor Rangel-Ribeiro and Philip Nazareth, distinguished scientists like Santosh Helekar and Helga do Rosario Gomes, technologists like Samir Kelekar all joined the network, and the forum became convulsed with stormy debates about religion, colonialism, 1961, and all the topics that get Goans hot under the collar whether on the Internet or off. In time, the network has grown and expanded further. The messages still fly fast and furious, and we are seeing a long overdue demographic correction as more and more Goans in Goa are finding their way to this venerable discussion list. Goanet needs to be commended for running a strictly transparent, strictly inclusive organization that has consistently maintained very high-minded standards. It is this Open Source motivation that is the key to its success and longevity, and provides an excellent model for newcomers to the Goa niche of cyberspace. As our state prepares to roll out broadband right into the villages, we will be bringing tens of thousands of new subscribers online, and a host of new Internet-based companies and services will be born. They should all take a long look at what has kept Goanet alive; it's an uncomplicated formula that will yield results. This month marks twelve long years since Herman Carneiro launched Goanet, the teenager expected to keep in touch with a few friends and now manages a list encompassing more than 6000 members. -= -- ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of misconceptions with examples
Hello Mr, Lawrence Your reply made we wonder what you understood of the Holy Bible. I am not a scholar in this subject, but yet I feel you have not understood the basic message in this. Its not only Christians who believe that Abraham was asked for the sacrificing of his son, but also Moslems too believe only difference is that they believe it's Ishmael. Its was Abraham's utmost love for God which needed the test, and he did not fail God in that. The defination for Violence is a behaviour that is intended to hurt or kill. Violence is an act of greedy people who want something by hook or by crook, (eg can be politicians ?) And for Sacrifice is giving up something valuable to oneself, in order to get or do something that seems more important. Sacrifice is an act of selfless person, who will give even his/her last morsel of food and stay hungry. ( eg can be parents ) Cheers Jerry Fernandes - Original Message - From: Lawrence Rodrigues ... It is my belief that NO God fearing person will NEVER commit violence against another ... except in self-defence. ...Jose Colaco What about the Abraham's attempt to kill his son Isaac? Lawrence ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] POETRY BY THE SEA, PLAINS AND HILLS
POETRY BY THE SEA, PLAINS AND HILLS Goan traveller-poet Brian Mendonca is just back in Delhi from a whirlwind sea- plains-hills poetic tour, reading and writing poems in the rain at calangute near the sea; at the secunderabad sailing club overlooking the angry Hussainsagar lake on the deccan plains and at Nainital among the idyllic lakes of Bhimtal and Naukuchiya Tal. Choreographed over 3 consecutive weekends brian seized the day stealing red hot monsoon fares on low-cost flights to goa and hyderabad. Cafe Literati, Calangute hosted Brian on Sat 22 July as rain beat down on Diviya Kapur's old Goan house and the windows swayed to the breeze. Renowned author Maria Aurora Couto introduced brian by candle-light in the absence of electicity. She later wrote in the Visitors's Book-'Deeply moved by Brian's passionate and and wistful evocation of the Goa we love - his deep feelings for the environment, the liveliness and wit that binds the community, the poetry of life on the move!' Brian's PhD supervisor Prof Lakshmi Chandra and her mother Ms Ruttonsha hosted brian's poetry reading at the prestigious secunderabad sailing club the following weekend on sat 29th July. Brian also read at his alma mater the Central Institute of English and Foreign Languages (CIEFL),where brian did his PhD on madness, on Sunday. The lakes at Bhimtal and Naukuchiyatal beckoned the last weekend 3-5 August. This was an official chillout and Brian came away with 3 new poems - the latest being 'My Innisfree'. For recent net reviews of Brian's 'Last Bus to Vasco: Poems from Goa' see the links below: 1. Muse India - Current Issue- Neeti Sadarangani: On 'Last Bus to Vasco' Last Bus to Vasco is a first book of poems by Brian Mendonca, a Goan poet who works with a publishing house in New Delhi. ... www.museindia.com/showcon.asp?id=337 - 7k - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.museindia.com ] 2. Heartfelt and very Goan - Deccan Herald - Internet Edition Deccan Herald Now Available Globally in Print Format ... Brian Mendonca looks at Goa with the same passion, love and respect. ... www. deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jul162006/books1858522006714.asp - 46k - Cached - Similar pages ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women: Goa and Kuwait
Hi Paulo Many thanks for your post on the issue of rape in 1961 and 1990 and also for the excellent references/links. I wish I could find the time to read them. I have no doubts whatsoever that, very sadly, rape in everyday life, and especially in wartime, takes place and is often very brutal. The evidence can be found in the literature and on the net. It is also clear why personal reportage is much lower than actual incidence in all societies. However, because journalists and reporters are invariably present at most war scenes, fairly reliable reportage now comes out reasonably quickly. My contention re Veronica's post is simple. If one makes serious allegations like rape, re an individual or group, then it is incumbent that, that person provides firm evidence. If the evidence is not available, then it is incumbent and wisest for the person not to make the unsubstantiated allegation. I am sure that, like the very reasonable person you are, you will agree with me that all of us have a measure of responsibility for what we express on the net. I also think Fred had this in mind when he independently asked the same question I did, about evidence of rape, at the start of this discussion. Best regards Cornel - Original Message - From: Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Brutality of invaders against women. Hi Cornel, I have been following the subject with interest and the many requests about evidence required about the cases of rape and other regrettable incidents that followed the Indian invasion of Dec. 1961. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Rock Solid Moral Codes
Dear Gilbert, I was waiting for you to make your 'final amateur comments' on this thread so that I could do the same. I am constantly surprised by your extrapolation of personal experiences to the general population (referring to your closing paragraphs on the reluctance of atheists to accept their own mortality and impending death). It may surprise you to learn that most cases involving assisted suicide for terminal patients are instigated by suffering people who have no doubts about the myth of after-life or have any delusions about the salvation of their souls. In fact the President Emeritus if the Humanist Association of Canada is Dr. Rob Buckman, a prominent oncologist from Toronto who has seen more than a fair share of lingering, painful death in his practice. As for your summary, I will briefly address each point: 1. Religion sets out a 'rock solid code' that expect all it converts or inductees to follow to the letter, depending on interpretation by various generations of 'theologians' whose sole purpose in life is to complicate the code and invent new ways to interpret it. Eg. Capybara meat is edible on Fridays when abstinence is advocated because they are water-dwelling animals! Go figure. 2. Only the first sentence in this paragraph is correct (Fundamentally, atheists believe they have No Soul and there is No After-life.) While atheists personally have no use for an 'external' God, we do accept that there is merit to the universal 'concept of God' as the human spirit (ie. intellect) we have all been endowed with. However, this concept has been hijacked by organized religions and layered with theological nonsense that it is no longer recognizable. It is unfortunate that the basic human need to believe in more than the finality of our existence on this earth has opened the doors to 'God-men' intervening on behalf of the ignorant masses. The disappointment felt by previously religious atheists in the inability of 'a rock solid moral code' to alleviate social ills probably fuels their animosity against their religion and other religions in general. The last sentence is patently false, confusing immature atheism of laziness or disappointment with mature atheism of intellect. 3. Behaviour and Belief are completely separate. Knowing the consequences of certain behaviour does nothing to prevent it. It has long been acknowledged that the death penalty is not a deterrent to murder. Just because there exists a commandment such as 'Thou shalt not kill' will not stop a religious psychopath. Leaders of developed nations exalt the killing of terrorists, insurgents and enemies. Unlike you, I find this subject far from sterile... and putting our faith in theologians to give us the answers is a misguided one. It is interesting to discuss matters that will affect the lives of our children and grand-children. Most universities now require their students to take a credit in critical thinking. The text books used are predominantly written by humanists. As for the impact on Goan society, as we have seen in the past, if we refuse to evolve, we will go extinct. We need to start embracing new ideas and not be afraid to speak out against evils (now there's a theological concept ;-) that are prevalent in society today. Your antiquated ideal of a 'God-fearing Goan Catholic' is outdated as is evident from the opinions posted by many free-spirited thinkers on this forum. Just because our parents thought they were doing the best for us by absolving us of original sin by baptism and indoctrinating us with a 'faith' does not mean that the same will hold true for the next generation. Even though I'm not in the 50+ category yet, my genuine hope is to leave a legacy of critical thinking to my children and any other individuals I can influence with my example. I have left in your entire post quoted here as reference for the few who may be following this thread. Once again, thank you for giving me this opportunity to expound. However, this may not be my final word on this thread. Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. ps. BTW my answers to all four of Aristos questions were NO. /ks Message: 5 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:55:53 -0700 From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Rock Solid Moral Codes To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Aristo, Looks like you missed a lively discussion by AMATEURS on Believers and Non-Believers in God.:=)) The conclusions that I arrived are, and these may help answer your questions: The specific answer to them are at the end of the post. My apologies to you and other goanetters for the length of this post. This is my last post on this thread. Though I may have started a new one.:=)) SUMMARY 1. It's difficult to rely on labels and generalizations. So Believers may not follow their faith and what they claim they believe. And Non-believers (atheists), deep in their heart, may believe
Re: [Goanet] The late Dr. Neela Pinto Vas
Thanks Valmiki, for the nice words you have written about my close friend Neela. She was a loving friend, mother, sister, aunt. She was also a wonderful paediatrician, a committed catholic, an upright citizen ,a help to all who needed it, and a lovely person. In the 60s and 70s, when polio was yet common in this country, she has saved a number of children with her timely diagnosis in Wadias at Bombay. A goan who was a professional, worked selflessly without any self importance, and who will leave an indelible mark behind. regards, Gilbert Menezes Message: 8 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:37:39 -0400 From: Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Dr. Neela Vas, a life well lived... To: goanet@goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dr. Neela Vas, a life well lived... By Valmiki Faleiro Neela treated two generations of patients, kids who themselves grew into mothers, and their kids. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] God Fearing and In a court of Law - a response to RK Nair
wrt to this from me : [ An attempt to commit violence, is NOT equivalent to having commited violence.] Radhakrishnan Nair wrote : Fantastic logic! It means God-fearing people may attempt rape and murder, but they won't actually do the thingy! Try telling it in a court of law and see what happens! ---jc's response--- Dear Mr. Nair, From the little I know about such matters, I will submit the following four points wrt the Court of Law: 1. In a court of law, an attempt to commit violence is NOT equivalent to having commited violence. 2. In a court of law, it is highly unlikely that my above quoted by you statement will be interpreted as meaning that God-fearing people may attempt rape and murder, but they won't actually do the thingy 3. Even though interpretation of the intentions of Parliament (as in enacted laws) is usually in the domain of judges, I submit that most judges will hold that (God Fearing or not) An attempted Rape or an attempted Murder is NOT the same as Rape and Murder respectively. The Defendant could still be charged for the ATTEMPT but not for the substantive crime of murder. 4. It is my understanding that In a court of law, for a charge of (say) Murder to be brought about, there MUST be a Homicide -(no such situation with Abraham/Isaac). An ATTEMPT will NOT do. I know that you will agree. If you do not, please do tell us why. good wishes jc == please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!
Jim, This is not an issue subject to ongoing debate. Only time will tell who the real idiots are. I have made my opinion clear in a response to Velho's when, when, if, when philosophy based on local demand. Even before the growing global economy, the experience of central and south America and Europe is that the demand from locals has little or nothing to do with the increasing value of properties WITH AMBIENCE in tropical climes. As with any investment the buyer has to be able to tell the difference. If someone doesn't think so, it's their money and they have the right to do whatever they please. --- Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please read my email once again in its entirety, if you'd like to debate on this issue. Jim F. New York. -- Original message -- From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Fernandes, If considered in pure economic terms, your post is right on the button. You really would have to be an idiot, if you were a foreign national(of non-Goan descent) buying property in Goa for purely investment purposes in the long term. Mario asks: I know several foreign nationals of non-Goan descent who purchased property in Goa a few years ago, and the property has more than quadrupled in value and the value continues to increase. So, can Jim or Sunith please explain how these people are idiots??? And, while you are at it, can you please explain how property values, which are based on supply and demand, vary depending on whether the investor is a Goan or non-Goan? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ....... re Godfearing evil/response to Mario
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: Firstly, is there a difference between REAL evil and FAKE evil? Mario replies: Yes. REAL evil is when someone medically sane deliberately and maliciously sets out to harm others. I gave you a long list of examples. FAKE evil are the kinds of personal bad habits and other non-evil sins you include in order to score rhetorical points. Elisabeth writes: Secondly, are you now saying that your position on homosexuality, is different from that of the Catholic Church, who firmly condemns the act i.e labels it as evil. If that is the case, what you are saying is that the Church's rock-solid code of conduct does not apply to you. Mario responds: The Catholic Church's position on homosexuality does not apply to me because I am not homosexual. The act itself is classified as a sin by the Catholic Church under it's basic rock solid moral code, just as adultery is. All sins are not evil [see REAL versus FAKE evil above]. Elisabeth writes: Ergo, it is not just Atheists and Agnostics, whose code of conduct cannot be substantiated or validated due to lack of formal codification (which has been your persistent mantra against atheists, set to iambic pentameter), but your very own is in question too. Mario responds: My own moral code is pretty rock solid when it comes to what I need to do, or get back to if I stray. I also know that members of morally based organizations have subscribed to their moral codes, which are public knowledge and often highly developed over centuries of experience. When it comes to an unorganized individual atheist/agnostic like yourself, you may know your own home-made moral code, which may be excellent, but you really have no idea what each home-made moral code is for other unorganized individual atheists as much as you and Santosh may want to ASSUME they are as excellent as yours and desperately want to speak for them all as you have sometimes tried to speak for ALL Goanetters. Ergo, no general, across the board, unconditional moral equivalencies can be made with the moral codes of ALL unorganized, individual atheists/agnostics. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] BENEFITS OF official recognition to KONKANI DEVANAGARI SCRIPT
Even as the Chief Minister of Goa and the Goa Pradesh Congress President Mr Ravi Sitaram Naik have gone to New Delhi according to a source in New Delhi who spoke to this writer; the devils workshop (pro Konkani Only in Devanagari script protoganists) is agog with lies, lies, and more lies to quell the storm raised by the RLAF (Romi Lipi Action Front). A perusal of the benefits that have accrued to the miniscule population 3% of Hindu Brahmins by virtue of official recognition to Konkani in Devanagari script owing the Goa Daman and Diu Official Language Act 1987 clearly indicates that the Catholics leaders and politicians under the Konkani Porjecho Avaz compelled the 29.6% Catholic community to make the SUPREME COMPROMISE on the Roman script in favour of Devanagari -ofcourse ignorant of the fact that a) script was not the criteria, but language, for the formation of a State, (to save us from being merged with Maharshtra) and b) Devanagari as the script was already given legal sanction by a clandestine resolution passed by the Advisory Board for Konkani of the Sahitya Academy on 21.11.1981 by some Hindu Brahmins who include Mr Uday L Bhembre (Adv) ex Independent Margao MLA and Chairman of the INC think tank (septic tank?) Vichar Vibhag and others- all intended to a) get official recognition to the language Konkani by enacting the Goa Daman and Diu Official Language Act 1987 b) later dismantle the Union Territory status and obtain Statehood on 30/05/1987 and c) ensure that the non Hindu Brahmins who admit that Konkani is their mother tongue but write in Marathi would find it easy to accept Konkani if written in the Devanagari script instead of Roman Even the then Good Shepherd of the Archdiocese of Goa and Daman, Archbishop Patriach Dr Raul Niclau Gonsalves ( who surprisingly even post Liberation enjoys the Order of precedence alongwith the Head of State as during the colonial regime AND who later in 2000 ashamedly was the first to greet the CM Mr Manohar Parrikar of the technically constituted BJP government but later developed cold feet as the right wing party inched its foray in the political horizon and cried hoarse to put a end to his regime when they tresspassed into the Paco Patriacal to claim an alleged stone -- Linga ) fell for the Hindu Brahmin leaders bait in 1989 - 90 to introduce Konkani in Devanagari script as the medium of instructions ONLY in all its Diocesan run schools. Thereby ruining the careers of the innocent Catholic children who do not have the resources to learn in English medium schools which are unaided by Government and hence are run by private bodies or forced to succumb to learn Marathi especially in the Government Primary Schools in the remote corners of the State. Besides that mothers are forced to teach an alien script and a Konkani language with its Sanskritised version making a mockery of the entire primary education of a child. So what are the benefits that those ( 3% Hindu Brahmins exclusively ) who benefit out of the grant of official recognition to Konkani in Devanagari script: a) it is only the Hindu Brahmin community which benefits it; not the Catholics not the non Hindu Brahmins whose mother tongue they ADMIT is KONKANI but write in MARATHI for historical reasons; b) all the Indian currency notes bear Konkani in Devanagari script notings c) all newspapers in Konkani in Devanagari script get funds by way of Government advertisement, tenders, public notices (even though the only such newspaper SUNAPARANT has only a 1500 circulation ) d) all State and Central Libraries can be directed to subscribe for print audio and visual material in Konkani devanagari script irrespective whether there is readership viewer or not e) all State and Central Government instituition airlines communication media railways etc can be directed to subscribe for Konkani in Devanagri script publications f) all examinations written test etc conducted by the State and Central Government institutions must be conducted in Konkani in Devanagari script; g) for the purpose of employment in State or Central Government offices institutions knowledge of KONKANI IN DEVANAGARI SCRIPT is compulsory Post and Telegraphs, Railways etc etc h) interviews for promotion of State or Central Government staff are based on knowledge of Konkani in Devanagri script i) tutors knowing Konkani in Devanagari script have a ready made self employment opportunity to teach the children of the 29.6% Catholics j) all cultural, literary, works which have Konkani in its Sanskritised version and written in Devanagri script receives grants, subsidy and other forms of financial assistance from the State and Central Government bodies for such individuals and for the promotion of such activities; k) Institutions like the Ravindra Bhavans, the Kala Academy, the Film Industry, the Directorate of Art Culuture the Ministry of Art and Culuture promote all activities related to Konkani in its
[Goanet] Albert writes
Albert wrote The telephone company in Goa , viz BSNL held complete autonomy and the staff never cared for its people. The telephone users had literally to beg at the feet of the staff to either install phone connection or get it repaired if one already existed. The rude answers were their morning prayers. Once the engineer at Mapuca telephone department told me that he will attend to me when he gets time. Once when I went to see the General Manager they told me that I cannot see him and that he is busy and when I forced my way into his office he was annoyed .Today, thanks to private phones coming into our state ,we are kings, Today the people have a choice to change telephones like they change their shirt .Those still clinging to BSNL phones are missing the best service given by other phone companies. One can use the phone which is codless, use it to send SMS, use is to get internet, use it as morning alarm etc etc. Albert _ Sexy, sultry, sensuous. - see why Bipasha Basu is all that and more. Try MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/Profile/bipashabasu.asp ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] God fearing vs Evil
many interesting points have been made in the God fearing vs evil discussion on Goanet. My belief is that pure evil and a solid faith in God can both exist. Be it the Hindu caste system, or the christian inquisition, evil people have invoked God to commit inhuman atrocities on their fellow beings. -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Vasku, Vasco, Bhoyas, Saptak, Jelebies etc
Vasku, Vasco, Bhoyas, Saptak Jelebies One time, 1970s, Vasku (Vasco) was very famous for freshly churned Lassie, 'dud pedas' and 'Mitai', 'Bhelpuri' etc from the hands of UP Bhaiyas (Bhoyas). Migrants workers were usually seen only in Vasco. Perhaps, it was due to the last Railway Station (terminating point) of all South-Central trains (Bombay- Miraj-Londa-Vasco etc etc) Stn.Vasco da Gama (Sambhaji Nagar). Other reason could be, at the time of construction of the large scale Industry, Zuari Agro Chemicals Pvt. Ltd where many migrants may have come to work there. There were two Goan boys who used to come to our school from Vasco and because they were from Vasco, we often called them Vasku Bhoya. If a girl from our village marries to any Vascoites, we said she married to Vasku bhoya their children born were also called as bhoyas. During those days, we never missed Vasco Saptak, we always went there during the night ( and again during the day as the fair last 7-10days). Used to arrange special bus at night (all Christians men , women children) and come back by 7am next day. During the night all streets were crowed with all sorts of people from all over Goa. Some even came there for pick-pocketing Some come there for stealing other items from the fair stalls. Most of us went there for fun and very few of us (not me ?) just to dodge with young girls (in the crowd). Endless queues were seen to worship Lord Damodar, see pic, we too were in the queque to see the God and offcourse, for the free Prasad sweet mixture of Coconut and Jaggary. Another specialty of the Vasco Saptak is freshly squeezed jelebies or Jelobis. There were many stalls making jelibies on site with plenty of sitting arrangement for the customers. Jelebies there were fresh, hot and cheap, see pics Today, I visited Vasco, and had an opportunity to visit the temple, ate jelebies too. All these things brought back my memories and the same I am sharing with you here. See photos here (6 in 1) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/210916547/ Home work: Besides, Vasco, where else you see migrant people in Goa now ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] ROMAN DEAL OF PRATAP NAIK?
to be official languages in Goa are Marathi and Konkani in the Roman script. The objective is to marginalise the secular elements in the Konkani movement who have always strongly condemned the RSS conspiracy to polarise Goa along communal lines. Viva Goa.Say it with feni. MIGUEL BRAGANZA, Mhapsa Horticulturist/ Editor - Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20060809/db234642/attachment.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Obituary Remedios (Remy) Joseph De Mello (ex Air- India/Kuwait Airways)
Obituary Remedios (Remy) Joseph De Mello (ex Air- India/Kuwait Airways) Remedios (Remy) Joseph De Mello (ex Air- India/Kuwait Airways) passed away peacefully at the Credit Valley Hospital, surrounded by loved ones, on August, 7, 2006 at age 72. He was a loving husband to Maggie; cherished father to Evon (Everard), Evet (Carlton), Evelin (Keith) and Elizabeth; beloved grandfather to Kevin and Katelin. Dearly loved by brothers Francis, Jules (pre-deceased), Santan and all his family and friends. The family wishes to thank the staff at the Credit Valley Hospital (Ward 1E) for all their care and attention. Family and friends will be received at The Simple Alternative Funeral Centre (1535 South Gateway at Dixie Rd, Mississauga, 905-602-1580) on Friday, August 11, 2006 from 2 4 p.m. and 7 9 p.m. Rosary at 8:15 pm. A Funeral Mass will take place on Saturday, August 12, 2006 at 11 a.m. at St. Patricks Church (921 Flagship Drive, Mississauga, 905-270-2301). Private Cremation. In lieu of flowers, donations to the Credit Valley Hospital Ward 1E, would be appreciated by the family (www.cvh.on.ca). ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] death of distinguished Toronto musician
Hi all ! The death occured in Toronto of well known musician - Remy DeMello. He suffered from a stroke more than ten years ago, and although he got back from a coma some two years later, he never fully recovered. Hailing from a family of musicians, Remy founded the DeMello Brothers band in the southern Tanzanian town of Iringa in the early fifties with older brothers- Santan (trumpet) and the late Jules (piano and accordion), uncle Matthew on drums and Tony Fernandes on double bass. The family moved to Dar es Salaam - the capital - in the mid-fifties and they continued playing with new musicians - including drummer - Joaquim Mendes formerly of Iringa. Remy was a very versatile clarinet player, but was equally talented in playing the trumpet, tenor saxophone and trombone. He was well known for imitating the Afro-American trumpeter and singer - Louis Armstrong-aka Satchmo. After stints on the BI ships, he returned to Dar, but left for Kuwait in the seventies and finally to Toronto where he played for a number of bands and taught music to some goan youth. However, some ten years ago as he was driving to the home of a young goan boy to prepare him for his final piano exam, he took a detour to the hospital where on arrival, he collapsed at the steering wheel- apparently of a stroke. Remy- who leaves behind a wife and children- will be buried this Saturday in the Canadian metropolis. His youngest brother - Francis- a very talented pianist and drummer- plays as a one-man show at a top Toronto nite-spot, and Santan continues to play the trumpet for some bands at GOA functions. Yours In Grief. Tony Barros. Union, New Jersey. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Portugal e o Desporto: vivências d o Mundial 2006
Portugal e o Desporto: vivências do Mundial 2006 O CLP/ Instituto Camões tem vindo a divulgar aspectos diversos da realidade portuguesa mostrando documentários e fotografias como aconteceu nos passados dias 4 e 5 de Agosto. Uma exposição Portugal e o Desporto: vivências do Mundial 2006, projecto de A. Rodrigues da Costa e organização do CLP/IC, estará disponível nos próximos dias 11, 12 e 13. Podendo ser visitada na Sexta- feira e no Sábado, das 14.00 às 19.30, e no Domingo das 10.30 às 13 horas, esta exposição mostrará imagens de jornais portugueses e de fotografias tiradas durante o Mundial 2006 comprovando a popularidade deste desporto em Portugal. Nos dias 11 e 12 pelas seis horas da tarde terá igualmente lugar uma sessão de projecção de fotografias. Todos os estudantes de português e interessados são convidados a visitar a exposição nas instalações do Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões em Panaji (AGVA HOUSE, Dr. Dada Vaidya Road) Portugal and Sports: experiencing the World Cup 2006 CLP/ Instituto Camões is organizing an exhibition about Portugal and Sports: experiencing the World Cup 2006, which will be on display from Friday to Sunday, 11th. 13th. of August. Conceived by A. Rodrigues da Costa and organized by Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões, this exhibition will display front pages of different Portuguese newspapers and also photos taken during the World Cup 2006. There will also be the projection of photographs on large screen on Friday and Saturday at 06.00 p.m. All are invited to visit the exhibition that will be held at the premises of the Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões in Panaji (AGVA HOUSE, Dr. Dada Vaidya Rd.) from 02.00 p.m. to 07.30 p.m. on Friday and Saturday, and from 10.30 p.m. to 01.00 p.m. on Sunday Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões AGVA HOUSE, 9/32 Dr. Dada Vaidya Road, Panaji-403001 GOA-ÍNDIA Tel: 00-91-832-6647737 «» E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] WE ARE FREE TO CHOOSE OUR BANKERS
Banking has come of age in India and most of the private banks have put shop in Goa. We are free to choose our banks. If one does not like the service of a particular bank you can open in another good bank. I have accounts in nationalised as well as private banks. With competition on the rise, their services are far more better than what it was 10 years back. so not to worry to take advantage of modern banking facilities and one will find banking a lot more easier and convienent. 17000 crore of Goan money in banks, than they should treat us like kings !!! after all CUSTOMER IS STILL THE KING kind regards R. Abel Fernandes Margao ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] God Fearing and sacrifice during building bridges/JC
Dear Dr Colaco, I wonder if in the below paragraph, you have inadvertently typed Western India instead of Western Europe. The folklore surrounding sacrifice while building bridges is common in Western Europe. Infact, the nursery rhyme London Bridge is falling down is a cryptic reference to this horrific act. The bridge endured several disasters and there was always the implied threat of human sacrifice to make it work. Elisabeth -- --- Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Many primitive societies 'sacrifice' (= murder) their children. These horrendous sacrifices are known to occur especially during the building of bridges in certain parts of Western India. Wonder if this reported Abraham's attempted sacrifice was similar.What you think ? good wishes jc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa Sudharop: Goan Seniors E-book
If you are a Senior please submit an essay or please ask your parents/grandparents to submit an essay Goa Sudharop Community Development Inc., a USA-based non-profit, volunteer NGO working for the betterment of Goa and Goans worldwide, is celebrating 2006 as the YEAR OF THE SENIOR. We intend to honour Goan seniors by publishing a Goan Seniors E-Book, similar to the Goan Women's E-book. The book will be divided into two categories: Reminiscences of my Goan Youth and Giving back to Goa and Goans. In accordance with these two themes, Goa Sudharop invites essays from Senior Citizens (60+ years old) of Goan origin based anywhere in the world. Your entry should be of approximately 500-750 words (but no more than 750 words). Seniors can share their knowledge about their Goan youth spent in any part of the world for the Reminiscences of my Goan Youth topic. If you choose to write on the Giving back to Goa and Goans topic, please write about your experience or about any Senior (living or deceased) known to you, who has done something for the betterment of Goa and Goans. You may send an essay on one topic or both topics if you wish. Entries can be sent by e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or mailed to IBONIO D'SOUZA at 'SUYASH GARDENS, 1st FLOOR, FLATS AF3 AF4, SWAMI CHINMAYA MARG, GOGOL, MARGAO, GOA, INDIA, 403601. Please mention your name and complete postal address. The last date for entries is August 31, 2006. Selected essays will be published in an E-book by Goa Sudharop with due credit to each writer. Essays must be written by seniors. However, if possible, do engage your children and grandchildren in writing your essay in a cross-generational experience. Goa Sudharop reserves complete rights of publication. The Goa Sudharop Board's decision with respect to publication is final. Please forward this message to your friends, family, e-groups, and organizations and their members. Thank you in advance for your support. Goa Sudharop www.goasudharop.org World G.O.A.N. network ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Does anyone know about this Portuguese song?
Hi Goanetters, A new acquaintance of mine, Simran Silva, who is a co-author of the book, My India: Passages Through Time and a free lance writer and a copy editor, wants some help with the details of the singer and title of the Portuguese song with the following translated lyrics: * Simran writes: Does Anyone Know? Does anyone out there in cyberspace know the name of this song and who sings it? I've put the English translation, but it is actually a song written and sung in Portuguese. I hope someone out there knows and can tell me. Thanks. The lyrics are very deep in English, I can only imagine how much more so in their original language. ** [ For seven years you fooled me and left me in darkness. Ill tell the sun to tell the moon that I will never, never give you my forgiveness. If someday by chance you end up at my door with a sack in hand. I would give you bread just as I would any other beggar. But I will never, never give you my forgiveness. If someday by chance you end up behind iron bars, I would visit you just like any other prisoner. But I will never, never give you my forgiveness. If someday by chance, I see you dead and stretched out in your coffin, Id give you a kiss and then and only then will I give you my forgiveness. ] *** Aren't these lyrics fantastic? Please check out Simran's blogsite http://everythingindian.blogspot.com/ Silviano ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Screening Final Solution ..
I came across a post by V gadgil regarding the screening of final solution, a documentary by rakesh sharma. I have seen the documentary myself. In my opinion the documentary is a crude and obnoxious attempt by leftists to exemplify and exagerate the unfortunate happenings in Gujarat in order to extract some cheap political mileage. The documentary is full of half truths lies as well as unverified and mischiveous allegations against a particular political ideology. Some points worth noting are as follows: The following is a excerpt of a interview rakesh Sharma gave to BBC: BBC Four: You've said that the Gujarat riots were a turning point for India. Why is that? Rakesh Sharma: It was a turning point because for the first time the state was complicit. We now have it on record that there were government ministers trying to disrupt and control police operations when the violence was at its peak THE FACT IS THAT THIS WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME THE SKH RIOTS WERE FAR MORE GRUESOME AND HAD AMPLE STATE PATRONAGE. 2. The documentary conveniently ignores the fact that hindu dalits were also the target of violent muslim mobs i many parts of gujarat. 3.The MYTH being circulated is that the state police did nothing. the FACT is that 254 rioteers were shot dead by the state police and many more were injured. 4. For instance, the documentary claims that: Narendra Modi introduced 7/8th grade history textbook that glorifies Hitler. It, however, turns out that the books was actually prescribed under a Congress government in 1993 and can hardly, in any case, be pinned upon the incumbent chief minister. 5. There is wide coverage to the hate speech delivered by hindu fundamentalists like Togadia and others but the documentary is silent regarding the vicious anti hindu uterances of fanatic muslims. the documentary tries to create the impression that hate speech is carried out only by Hindus while the muslims are meek victims. 6.The inteviews are selectively carried out with either muslims vctims or hindu suspects. It is surprising that rakesh dint find any single muslim exremist or a hindu victim of communal riots 7. Finaly the name Final Solution itself is very interesting. The Final Solution was conceived at the Wannsee conference by office holders in the German administration to come up with a long-term plan to murder and dislocate Jews. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that even one murder in Gujrat was conceived at the state or national level, no evidence that it was ever a part of government policy. Because it was not. The name is chosen to pander to western audiences for whom it has a far darker connotation (it implies violence as a part of government policy) with what happened in Gujrat. FINAL COMMENTS: Some peope would like everybody to believe that I have a vested interest in protecting the rioteers. many many people on Goanet use synonyms (some even confess to doing that openly) yet some people here would like to portray me as someone who creates smoke screen and red herrings because i just use a first name. I would request everyone to indeed watch the film and see for themselves the biased and inflamatory messages propagated by these marxist miscreants. I also happened to talk to many of my gujarati friends. They admit that wht happened in Gujarat was bad but yet they are also convinced that vested interests have started spreading canards about gujratis in general. A question worth reflecting upon is : Why would the gujratis who are essentialy a pragmatic business community who know better than anyone else that economic growth is the first casualty of riots would so actively support narendra Modi? -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] London Goenkars, please note!!
Hi Mario, The point I was making was from an investment perspective, for a foreign national with no roots in Goa. As is your habit, you have completely misinterpreted the post and have taken it as a personal insult. Unfortunately it will be impossible for me to continue this discussion since your understanding of economics and investing seems to be limited to supply and demand, which you keep repeating montonously. It is quite obvious that you have not read the forecasts for real esate in India from HDFC and other Indian investors with far more knowledge than your NEVER HUMBLE opinion. In the world of economics according to Mario, do economic cycles exist?? Does there exist a field called economic forecasting?? The numbers though approximated are not bogus. The prices on that waterfront for sea facing views are between Rs 40,000-50,000 per sq metre which is very close to the price of real esate in suburbs of Mumbai such as Bandra and Santacruz. Regards Sunith Velho ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Can a Christian be a Communist?
--- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you have repeated a lot of your logic once again by conveniently avoiding to give an answer to the question Karl Marx, 19-century Communist Manifesto aside, in todays world of Cafeteria plural identities, what practically prevents a Christian from being a Communist in political/economic Ideology?, I will discuss this no further. Mario responds: That's just as well, because you are comparing apples and oranges by trying to compare REAL Karl Marx communism where a state had to use it's coercive power in the day-to-day implementation and the impotent political version followed by obscure political parties which have no power to impose REAL communism and so are really socialists masquerading as communists. Aristo writes: However, I would like to tell you that you have once again misunderstood what I have written, and this being the 3rd instance with me, I will assume that you don't take the time to properly read since you spend most of it typing away your voluminous views. This is what I had written: It do not think it is written anywhere in the Communist Manifesto (yea, I had to actually download it and go through it since you love to refer to it ever so often) that Communism has to be brutal and repressive. As per the philosophy, Communism IS egalitarian in nature. Mario responds: On the contrary, I have understood that you have not understood the implications of the Communist Manifesto in it's day-to-day implementation. The concept of egalitarianism is foreign to human nature, especially when forced on society by the state. Each individual is different. Some are achievers, others are not. Some are leaders, others are not. Some are smart, others are not. Some are successful in acquiring wealth, others are not. The Communist Manifesto made no common sense in forcing the theory of eglatarianism over these human and natural differences. This is precisely why brutality and oppression became necessary in the IMPLEMENTATION of communism, even though it was not written anywhere. Oh, I forgot. Some people have common sense, others don't. Aristo writes: However, I do not subscribe to the means of obtaining that egalitarianism, ie, the Robin hood method. To me, altruism (which is against human nature) should be voluntary. I'd . rather prefer the trickle down effect, and circulation of money to achieve egalitarianism. Mario asks: Does this mean you reject the coercive egalitarianism of REAL communism for the trickle down economic benefits of capitalism? Real egalitarianism is against human nature and a political pipe dream. Aristo writes: Also, would you be kind enough to humour me and answer the following questions with your Goveian Logic? 1) What is the fundamental difference in the Political Economic ideology between Communism Socialism? Mario responds patiently: Socialism is communism minus the religious hostility and power of the state behind it, i.e. what was left when the coercive power of a state to impose REAL communism was relegated to the dustbin of history where it really belongs. Aristo writes: 2) Can an Athiest be a Capitalist? Mario responds: Of course they can, Aristo. Sheesh! Aristo writes: 3) Can a Christian be a fascist? Mario responds: Not a Christian who follows the rock solid Christian moral code. However, there have been people who claimed to be Christian but followed NOT A SINGLE tenet of the rock solid moral code, who were fascist. These were used to make exceptions the rule in the recent full-scale attack on religion which seems to have fizzled under it's own illogic, just like communism did:-)) These included the Crusaders and the Inquisition types of ancient times, and Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and the Mafioso more recently. Aristo writes: Mario, one thing that experience has taught me is that when Quantity is the focus, there is a definite compromise on Quality. Your writings are an epitome of that lesson. That doesn't mean that you cannot produce quality. Your answer to Sunith's question on what next for India's economy was a gem that made it the first MG piece that I saved for future reference. I hope you can give us more gems like that. Mario responds: Unfortunately, I have no way to respond to a gratuitous and meaningless generality like the first part of your last paragraph. However, if you can cite some specifics where quality was compromised by quantity I would definitely consider it. For example, how am I supposed to restrict my responses when people CONTINUE to look for brutality and repression in the Communist Manifesto, when a) common sense should have told them that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a state to force a whole society to be egalitarian across the board without brutality and oppression, and b) even after all the real world evidence that ALL communist regimes were brutal and oppressive by necessity, and the two
[Goanet] No OBC quota in pvt institutes, phased rollout in IITs, IIMs
No OBC quota in pvt institutes, phased rollout in IITs, IIMs Akshaya Mukul [ 10 Aug, 2006 0114hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ] NEW DELHI: It is becoming increasingly likely that OBC reservation in admission will be confined to government-aided institutions, even as unaided institutions like Symbiosis, Manipal Academy and Tata Institute of Fundamental Research may be left out of the quota umbrella for now. The government has also decided to roll out quota in aided institutions IITs, IIMs, AIIMS,Indian Institute of Science, National Institute of Design, School of Planning and Architecture, among others in a phased manner. In a resolution of sorts within the divided government, two draft reservation bills one for aided and another for unaided institutions have been prepared by the HRD ministry and sent to several ministries for comments. But indications from within the government are that while it would press for the reservation bill on aided institutions in the Monsoon session itself, the one on unaided institutions might get delayed. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1879341.cms ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Happy St. Lawrence Feast to you all
Today 1oth August.. Happy St. Lawrence Feast to you all Today, the feast is celebrated at Agassain, Arossim, Aguada etc Todays progmmes at Agassaim: - At least 4 bull fights (Dhirrio or Boilam Zogdim) one near to MLA Silveiras house - Coconut breaking game or competition (nal foddnni). - Tiatr Daddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for August 10, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Parsvnath wins Goa land bid (NDTV Profit) Parsvnath Developers Limited has been awarded prime land in Panjim, Goa by the state government owned Economic Development Corporate Ltd. Parsvnath bid Rs 45,100 per sq mt for the entire 12,290 sq mt piece of land. The total amount to be paid is estimated to be over Rs 55.4 crore. http://www.ndtvprofit.com/homepage/storybusinessnew.asp?template=whichstory=nid=32625 *** Goa opposes excise exemption for hilly States (The Hindu) Pharma units' investment plans take a hit http://www.thehindu.com/2006/08/09/stories/2006080906891500.htm *** Language war hots up in Goa (The Economic Times) PANAJI: With Goa assembly elections scheduled for early next year, the issue of according official language status to Marathi is gaining momentum. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1879369.cms *** Goa recommends Austrian's `mercy petition' to Governor (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 8: Goa cabinet today recommended to the Governor the `mercy petition' of an Austrian national, undergoing 12 years' sentence at Central Jail, Aguada for possessing drugs. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=4020 *** Incessant rains to continue in Goa for next 24 hrs: Met Dept (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 8: As incessant rains continued to lash coastal Goa, Indian Meteorogical Observatory today predicted heavy rains in the state for the next 24 hours. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=3867 *** Mahindra United mulling shifting base to Goa (New Kerala) Mumbai, Aug 7: Last year's Federation Cup and National Football League winners Mahindra United have issued a veiled threat to the Western India Football Association that unless the latter spruces up the Cooperage ground to international standards the club would shift base to Goa. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=3651 *** Incessant rains in Goa; alert sounded (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 8: Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second consecutive day today, raising the water levels in Anjunem dam in north Goa, prompting the state government to sound an alert for those residing in low-lying areas around the dam. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=4031 *** Four persons run over by train in south Goa (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 9: Four persons, including an infant, were run over by a train in south Goa, police said today. All the four bodies were found lying on the tracks near Sjoe De Areal village in south Goa, Deputy Superintendent of Police Tony Fernandes said. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=4469 *** Incessant rains in Goa, flood alert sounded (The Times of India) Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second consecutive day, raising the water levels in Anjunem dam in north Goa. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1873945.cms *** Incessant rains in Goa; alert sounded (Outlook India) Incessant rains lashed Goa for the second consecutive day today, raising the water levels in Anjunem dam in north Goa, prompting the state government to sound an alert for those residing in low-lying areas around the dam. http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=405118 Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Indian state bans Coke, Pepsi
Indian state bans Coke, Pepsi Last Updated Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:01:50 EDT CBC News A state in south India has banned the manufacture and sale of Coke, Pepsi, Sprite and other soft drinks, claiming they contain high levels of pesticide residues. The state of Kerala is the first in India to take such action against the local subsidiaries of Coca-Cola Co. and PepsiCo Inc., two bottlers that account for nearly 80 per cent of India's $2-billion US soft-drink market. Four other Indian states have already banned the sale of the soft drinks in schools, colleges and government offices, while several other states have said they are examining the issue. http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2006/08/09/coke-wed.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exposure of ....... re Godfearing evil/response to Mario
Dear Mario, Next time you type an email, can you also include a Rosetta stone in there. Elisabeth -- --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: Firstly, is there a difference between REAL evil and FAKE evil? Mario replies: Yes. REAL evil is when someone medically sane deliberately and maliciously sets out to harm others. I gave you a long list of examples. FAKE evil are the kinds of personal bad habits and other non-evil sins you include in order to score rhetorical points. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] 'DKA's Statement NOT expose tacit understanding
Dear Fausto-bab, Have no such fear as expressed by the 'alleged' President of KBM, which Shridhar Kamat is definitely not! The allegation is made by an alligator that is party to permiting a quasi-official status to Marathi in OLA, 1987. Konkani in Roman script does not even have that status. That shows how much more they love the Devanagri script over Konkani language. Konkani in Devanagri and Marathi [also written in Devanagri] are bhai-bhai all the way since 1987. Why do the allegators shed crocodile tears NOW ? On 07 August, 2006 in Margao, Mr. Wilson Mazarello [Wilmix], the President of DKA, had this to say in context of the quote attributed to him by Ms.Melba Mergulhao-Carvalho Antao in the Goan Observer of 5-11 August on page 6, Goan Observer person called me on the phone, asked me some questions and then went ahead to misquote me. I requests the journalists not to do this to anyone. Melba seems to be a confused old lady. I do not know if she knows to read or write Konkani in any script. Perhaps, her fellow columnist who was present at the Press Conference where the allegation was made, could enlighten us on the subject. Marathi is already there in the OLA,1987. The DKA, to the best of my knowledge, is agitating for inclusion of Roman script for the Official Language of Goa, Konkani. What does Dalgado KONKANI Akademi have to do with Marathi? The Goa Marathi Akademi is given Rs.30.00 lakhs grants per annum to protect the rights of Marathi. DKA gets nothing. Both are registered as Societies/NGOs. And one thought that KONKANI was the SOLE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE of Goa State. It seems like Marathi is superior to Konkani in Romi in Goa. It is the SCRIPT that matters, not the LANGUAGE. Viva Goa. Miguel From: Fausto V. D'Costa Subject: [Goanet] 'DKA's Statement exposes tacit understanding 'DKA's STATEMENT EXPOSES TACIT UNDERSTANDING PANAJI:** Konkani Bhasha Mandal president** Shridhar Kamat has expressed his fear that an amendment in the Official Language Act to accord equal status to Konkani in Roman script would open the doors to Marathi to be included as well, and said that this was already happening. The statement made by Wilson Mazarello, President of DKA welcoming the proposition of the CLP,according equal status to Konkani in Roman script and in the same breathsaying that there is no objections for the inclusion of Marathi in the actspeaks volumes and exposes the tacit understanding between them and the fanatic and the fundamentalist elements within the Marathi leadership he alleged.Speaking under a unified banner called Konkani Ekvott, which comprises different Konkani organisations and the Goa Hitrakhan Manch, Kamat said that the bid to bring in Marathi was already underway. The KE was represented by Serafino Cotta, KBM's Srhidhar Kamat, Akhil Bharatiya Konkani Parishad's Nagesh Karmali, Catholics for Devanagiri's Fr Jaime Couto and Prof SM Borges, Hitrakhan's Prashant Naik and Jose Lourenco and Asmitai Pratishtan's **Arvind Bhatikar** and Prof Harischandra Nagvenkar. (News fromGomantak Times) HOW CAN MARATHI BE INCLUDED IN THE ACT?? AND WHY NOT ENGLISH PORTUGUESE TOO??? IS THIS YOUR STAND DKA??? Viva Goa.Say it with feni. MIGUEL BRAGANZA, Mhapsa Horticulturist/ Editor ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
