Re: [Goanet] Catholic schools in Goa
Sachin, what level of education are you talking about? Do you consider the government to be Catholic, Hindu, secular or pseudo-secular? FN On 19/07/07, Sachin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an interesting thread. However, I was wondering if there is any data how many schools in Goa are run by Catholics and how many by Hindus. Sachin Phadte. -- Frederick Noronha Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] P: +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 Yahoo: fredericknoronha Skype: fredericknoronha GTalk: fredericknoronha 784, Sonarbhat, Near Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India
[Goanet] Today's reflections
Dear brothers and sisters The most beautiful prayer which Jesus himself has taught us is the Our Father.I do not think there is better prayer than that.But Jesus did not tell us to use that prayer like a nursery ryme.He has not asked us to pray that prayer ten times or twenty times but just one.If we analyse that prayer it is made up of several parts.The first part gives praises to the one and only Father in Heaven.We accept the superiority and uniqueness of God.We accept that He is the alpha and the omega .We praise His name and glorify Him.We cannot gloriy anyone else except Him and only those whom He wants to be glorified. The second part deals with petitions.Since He is our Father we ask Him for our daily needs.Many of us remain hungry because we fail to ask Him.Many times due to our sin and our cut off from God we are plagued with diseases or sorrows or depressions or emptyness in our body and soul and our life is full of misery.We go to doctors,psychist, astrologers,etc etc but we fail to face our Father, our loving father and place before Him all our miseries and sorrows and build a good relationship with Him by getting rid of our paganisms and accepting Him as our only God without glorify ing anyone else dead or alive and see the difference in your life.C lean your hearts for God loves clean hearts.Be simple in your dealings.Rid yourself of the empty pride that is born with you. Amen Albert _ Spice up your IM conversations. New, colorful and animated emoticons. Get chatting! http://server1.msn.co.in/SP05/emoticons/
[Goanet] reply to Kamalaksh - RSS Fear mongering
None of the regular liberal, intellectuals responded to / condemned Bhandare about his inquiries on taking action to prevent Muslims building their place of worship in Goa. Some even came to support him and his stand. Now you know why I call them, pseudo-progressives? Kamalaksh's post was typical innuendo and fear mongering, last seen in the Nazi and Communist era. Ok, Prez Bush and PM Blair have been doing it of late. I will leave it to our pseudo-progressives to respond to his post, with a similar over-the-top post. I have my hands full with replying to other posts. Bosco and other moderators, please give me credit for not overloading you with my posts. My only point to Kamlaksh is: You and Bhandare have shifted your argument. You previously posted that RSS will only respond physically in retaliation to violence and will not be the first to take action. Your new stand is: RSS and its cadres will take action to prevent problems, in the possibility these may occur in future. Can you tell me: Who appointed you as Goa's Top Cop or Security Chief? If you are lost for a reply, please say, The next BJP-RSS government.:=)) Regards, GL - KAMALAKSH CHARI Bhandare's writing aren't factual to the people who will encourage terrorist organisations to settle down in Goa and create communal riots spoiling Goa's integrity. Recent example is the eve teasing in Margao market by a gang of some muslim community members originally migrants outside Goa. Will you tolerrate Pakistanis or Bangaldeshis to infiltrate here and build mosques n madarsas. Why not, definitely, coz you said so? And if whatever goes wrong, like riots or tensions due to these madarsas there are always RSS or other saffron organizations to put blame on, see sanvordem-curchorem example.
[Goanet] Why Goa is high on political and social stability!
I just realised that in my post on the subject the reason for Goa's high rating may not be self evident. The short explanation could be that the term political and social stability covers a lot of ground between the narrow band of utopia at one end and the perhaps equally narrow strip of perpetual political and social strife. There may be a felt need for a more discriminating analytical apparatus for the vast middle ground which Goa probably occupies. We need facts not biases of one kind or another.
[Goanet] Goa a lost cause - a response to Rui Nuvo
rui nuvo wrote: [Had Goa been given Independence and Goans however incompetent and apathetic administered goa then that Goa would be a very different Goa to the one we have today. None of this RSS, BJP, imported labour and masjids you name it aggravations. We have to face it that that Goa is a lost cause. Whether it is best for Goa, I have no idea. What is happening in Goa may be the best thing that has happened to Goa. So be it.] Dear Rui, This world is full of those who do not learn from history. They (along with the greedy) are still trying experiments based on ignorance in some parts of the world. We even have Goans now who are quite shocked at the number of 'strange strangers' muscling around in Goa. Would that have happened IF Hindu Goans and Catholic Goans were really seen to be together? Just think about it - WHY did it not happen ante-1961? I'd say this ...the wheels of motion were set in place by the MGP (read BJP and Congress). Ain't nothing stopping it now. Unless the bigots STOP, THINK and REVERSE for good We might as well expect to see a change in the name of Goa to.. Govotna or Goaabad Gomantabad if you wish What else did the bigots expect? jc === from http://www.colaco.net/1/letdown.htm In a move which can only be explained as a move to destabilize Catholic Goans, the ruling MGP set in place a policy of discrimination against Goans when it came to employment in Goa. Officers in all major fields with no particularly spectacular expertise were brought in to positions which could easily have been filled by Goans. Many Goans found themselves in the untenable position of being literally bossed around by less capable deputationists who were specifically brought in by the MG government. A good number of the deputationists were good, honest and hard working. They served Goa well. But the vast majority of them were substandard space occupiers. These less competent bosses didn't have a clue of Goa, Goan culture or of the landscape. They didn't even display a scintilla of interest in improving anything in Goa. All they did was talk down to Goans, bad mouth Goans as lazy, good for nothing, sossegado feni drinkers and specialized in merely filling up posts with their friends and relatives. This policy of squeezing out Goan Catholics worked for the MGP. Vast number of Goan Catholics emigrated to the UK, Australia, Brazil, Africa, Canada and even Portugal. The percentage of Catholic Goans in Goa dwindled from a near 50% to 30%. This was politically excellent for the MGP. Their vote block was intact while the vote bank of their political rivals was effectively demolished. With a carrot here and a bus license there, the MGP managed to keep the opposition divided. Many Catholic Goans were known to be convenient supporters of the MGP. A few pieces of silver did the needful This electoral Catholic vote cleansing effort was to eventually come back and hurt the MGP. Many of the nonGoan deputationists not only served Goa indifferently but also created a third party vote bank for non Goa based parties. More at http://www.colaco.net/1/letdown.htm
Re: [Goanet] Bhandares Musings
Hello Sunith I believe you meant Christian? As what Bosco said anti-Catholic is right. United Methodist are Christians and not Catholics. :-) or are they? Cheers Jerry Fernandes Bosco, How could you accuse Bhandare of being anti-Catholic. He is by his own logic a supporter of the United Methodist Church. After all he contributes a large portion of his earnings to the US government, an organisation headed by a Methodist. Whats worse is that he also provides financial support to the Episcopalians, since one of them is the governor of his state. Guruji must be turning in his grave! Sunith Velho
Re: [Goanet] Evolutionist Kevin?
Hi Santosh, Aristo and others who have addressed the issue of Dualism Many thanks for the interesting exchange. I do not know much in this field but my appetite has been whetted to find out more. Regards Cornel Santosh Helekar wrote: --- Aristo wrote: Santosh, any suggestions for pertinent PS books? Hi Aristo, To you and to others who have expressed an interest in this subject privately, here is a short list of popular books you might want to read:
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 588_Bhandare
Hello Bhandare, Not so quick cowboy! Let think this together- By contribution of money, you mean Sunday collection, whether or not offered as tithe. Well most do not comprehend this and are good at rationalizing where their money is better spent, but that is not the point. The organization if of course the Catholic Church and the recent pious mumblings of Cardinal Mahoney of LA-being a prince of the Church, to mean allegiance to the Vatican, where the buck or the Euro should stop at. And then we have this sad fact of pedophilia. So what do you think we are all thinking? One may only glean the following from what you write. Perhaps you are saying- move away from a organization that certainly appears to condone pedophilia. Yes it must be quite true that the 2 billion paid so far in Boston and LA has come from Sunday collections-perhaps invested in who knows what, etc. Perhaps the Church will go back to selling indulgences. Imagine a commodities market in Indulgences. The worshipper is interested in communing through the intercession of the church. There are many who are communing directly, but then run along to the church to get baptised, and indulge in the other sacraments-except usually Confession. The pro conciliation made more Catholics communicants and less penitents! But again my point here is to get you to see that correlationships of the order that you are resorting to are spurious and shallow. Ask, what are the opinions of people or christians on this net. Those of us who wish to weigh in will do so. Others may not. This is not about belling the cat. Or is it? If then, tathastu! But, sarvesam purnam bhavatu, would be preferable. Have you made other such binaries? How about pedarasty? Annulments? The children of even a single Catholic in the union having to be brought up as Catholic! Is charging high interest wrong/unconscionable? What do we think? This is not about generating false equivalences. It should be about avoiding one to one simplistic correspondences. Going furher-sati, and child marriage, and the nature of widowhood. So is Hinduism messed up? Should we only respect atheists who come from Hindu stock and reject practicing or even cultural Hindus, because their predecessors came from a religious perspectives which indulged however sparingly in the earlier mentioned practices. Of course not. Furthermore, conceptually, can most Christians understand the abstractions of Sanathan Dharma. Or what may be construed a kind of abstraction but not seen as such in Catholicism-the transfiguration of the body into wine. Do we really understand this, or at least do many? I see more of the Christ-ness in the Hindu than in the Christian. Having said that does my bent towards ecumenical beliefs mean I am still a Christian for attempting to understand non-Christian values, thoughts and ideas? Believe it or not, in the minds of many Christians and Roman Catholics I am not. So when you say that ducking pedophilia is tantamount to condoning pedophilia; it is not so direct. This is a Vikram and Vetal scenario! But what we can certainly do is to try and answer your questions. We owe it to you but on certain conditions. You on your part cannot expect any among all the goanetters to categorically state their positions. Some can, some cannot, some are just overwhelmed, and others simply will not. But you can certainly ask. Imagine being told that ones dad raped a six year old or for that matter raped anyone. Do you feel too many words will be coming out too easily. Get the point. Anyway, hang in there. Venantius J Pinto
Re: [Goanet] Catholic schools in Goa
Hello Sachin, For what its is worth the following is from Hurdles to Konknni in Goa by Pratap Naik in Metahistory: History questioning history Festschrift in honour of Teotonio R. de Souza by Coordinators Charles J. Borges, s.j. MN. Pearson. As on 3 February 2005, in Goa there were 292 NGO high schools. Out of these only 207 schools offer Konknni as a third language. Out of these 207 schools, 126 belong to the minority community. This means that more than 50% of high school run by the majority community do not provide the option to their students to opt for Konknni as a third language! (para continues). venantius Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:31:46 +0100 From: Sachin This is an interesting thread. However, I was wondering if there is any data how many schools in Goa are run by Catholics and how many by Hindus. Sachin Phadte.
Re: [Goanet] Understanding Gilbert
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is always hard to understand Gilbert when he writes something original. As far as I know, the only person who understands him well is George Pinto. To help other Goanetters better understand Gilbert, I requested JoeGoaUK to come along with me this morning and videotape Gilbert defending the Catholic Church. Footage was going to be placed on You Tube and Konkan TV. I could not tell which Catholic Church Gilbert would be defending so we first went to the Aldona Catholic Church just in case. I was hoping to see Gilbert standing at the church gate, valiantly defending against atheists (cosmotheists is a better word for some to accept), RSS sympathizers, and illegal Muslims in Goa (according to the RSS all Muslims are illegal in Goa, in India, and in any country they are found). No sign of Gilbert. In heavy monsoon downpour we traveled to nearby Moira Catholic Church. Still no sign of Gilbert. Off to South Goa. No Gilbert defending the Margao Catholic churches. I told JoeGoaUK, for the benefit of Frederick and other Goanetters to turn the video camera on himself so they could finally see what he looked like. Alas, the video camera battery died then. Not a productive morning. Regards, George
[Goanet] Cracking the nut of land for urbanisation
No policy to build new towns by TK Arun Why should land be forcibly be taken away from peasants, big and small? Why can't we create conditions in which peasants happily and voluntarily make land available for building towns, factories, etc? This is not all that difficult. The farmers who sold land to builders who built Delhi's suburb of Gurgaon are fabulously rich, compared to their brethren who continue to till the land. The main thing is to make sure that farmers get a price that rids them of anxiety and uncertainty about future incomes. It is not easy to replicate Gurgaon everywhere, for the simple reason that every new town cannot be near Delhi or Mumbai. We need policy slightly more evolved than allowing farmers to sell land to builders at mutually agreed prices. Two things need to be done. Entire zones, measuring tens of thousands of sq km, need to be earmarked for free, automatic conversion from farm land to urban land, on the owner's request. Right now, such conversion is an arbitrarily granted form of patronage, which can be purchased from politicians and bureaucrats at a very high price. This must change. This will immediately fetch the farmer a much higher price than at present for his land - he would sell it after converting it to commercial land. Further, farmers need to be organised into builders of towns. This is not some idle dream but what a group of farmers have accomplished in a town called Magarpatta, near Pune. Farmers can form limited liability companies, pooling their land as capital. They can lease out the land, or better still, create built-up area of the kind required for offices and factories and lease out this built-up area. If private builders can access credit on the strength of their notional land banks, why shouldn't farmers' companies get the requisite credit for their projects on the strength of their real land bank? They can then sell a variety of services to those who come and occupy their built-up spaces. Of course, these are just some of the many possible policy options. The point is that we need to think of those options. Now. In Goa, environment and heritage have to be factored into the making of land available. In addition, there has to be provision for all support services of high quality, not just rampant building construction. Let's hope GBA is digesting ideas like the foregoing mushrooming elsewhere in the country nowadays. Goa's problem is not unique.
[Goanet] It was a Gujarati Trader Chandan who helped the Portuguese Conquer Goa !
It had to be a Gujarati who helped the Portuguese Conquer Goa - Why didn't Chandan help the Portuguese Colonize mainland Gujarat ? Portuguese explorer Vasco da Gama, who is credited with discovering the sea route to India, actually followed a Gujarati trader from Zanzibar, a new book claimed. Suresh Soni, author of India's Scientific Heritage, quoting archaeologist Dr Vishnu Shridhar Wakankar, said He, no doubt, came to India but not as a discoverer sea-farer but following a Gujarati trader from Zanzibar. According to Dr Wakankar, Vasco da Gama had recorded in his diary that upon his arrival at Zanzibar in Africa, he saw a docked ship three times bigger than his own. He took an African interpreter to meet the owner of the ship, Chandan, a Gujarati trader who used to bring pine wood and teak from India along with spices and take back diamonds to Cochin.Vasco da Gama followed Chandan to reach the shores of India, a fact very few independent Indians know about, regrets Soni. (Goacom.com 7/15/07)
[Goanet] something to remember
Dear Goanetters For those who knew Fr.Freddy da Costa and for those who had been associated with him will remember him on the 20th July every year.It was on this day many years ago Fr.Freddy da Costa was born.It was his birthday to be remembered.He was a man with guts.Who would have had the courage to built a mighty church where just a fulamcho khuris was existing? who would have guts to stage a tiatr and that too complete twenty five shows each time? who would start a konkani magazine and that too keep it alive for many years? He may not live amidst us physically but his memories will remain for ever.His good works will be remembered by many. Albert de souza _ Wedding bells are ringing. When's your time to walk the aisle? http://ad.in.doubleclick.net/clk;112111293;17571293;v?http://www.simplymarry.com/timesmatri/faces/jsp/UserTrackLandingPage.jsp?origin=hotmail_taglines_ros_june07
[Goanet] PARRIKAR: KEEP MIGRANTS OFF
Way to Go Manohar ! We do not need any BHAILES in Goa ! Send them to Kerala ! Keep Goa for Goans Only ! - Carmo D'Cruz PARRIKAR: KEEP MIGRANTS OFF Leader of Opposition Manohar Parrikar, on July 17, 2007, called for arresting the inflow of population into the state, warning that an addition of two to three lakh of persons would put severe pressure on the state's infrastructure. I am not against people coming in from other states to settle here, but we should not create siutations that will facilitate it. A population of 15 lakh for our state is enough. We must not allow it to reach 20 lakh. Even another 2-3 lakh rise in population will put Goa in trouble, he said. Parrikar made the remarks while referring to the mention of Special Economic Zone for Goa in the government's budget proposals, which he said would create a huge job market that the Goan population would not be able to cater to. Parrikar also criticised the state budget on every aspect, stating that it would not benefit either the farmer, the common man or the youth. He said the state government's indiscriminate borrowings was pushing the state into a debt trap and also questioned uncontrolled revenue expenditure. [GT]
[Goanet] Some interesting resources on the Goa-Research-Net
Some interesting resources on the Goa-Research-Net. You could access them via http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-research-net/files/ but you might need to be a member of that list to access the same. Membership is open to those with an interest with research issues in Goa. It is run by Prof. Teotonio R de Souza. --FN Coconuts_XVIc dissemination.pdf Coconut palm went from India to the West? 119 KB Cosimo_Ramponi_Goa.pdf Cosimo_Ramponi_SFX Mausoleum_Goa 60 KB Devanagari_KristaPurana_Abbot.pdf Krista Purana in Devanagari Script 152 KB REF Ultimate Genealogy Message 137 KB GoaInWiderPerspective.pdf Goa in a Wider Perspective - 1961 461 KB goapopulationpolicy2007.pdf Goa Population Policy 2007 183 KB goaresearchnetattnpolscientists2002assemblyresult.zip Goa Assembly Polls 142 KB Invitatorio_LB_GRN06.pdf Invitatorio to Christmas Matins 280 KB JuanPimentel_Iberian Peripheral Modernity.pdf The Iberian Vision: Science and Empire in the Framework of a Universal Monarcy, 1500-1800 698 KB Mando-Micael_Martins_-_p1.jpg Micael Martins - The Mando (p.1) 814 KB image/ Mando-Micael_Martins_-_p2.jpg Micael Martins - The Mando (p.2) 848 KB Our Father in patti-xalla: Lourdino Barreto 91 KB Patti-xalla through music: Lourdino Barreto 331 KB Scammell_IndigenousAssistance_Empire.pdf Native Assistants of the Portuguese Empire 395 KB seductiveness_portuguese_empire.pdf Seductiveness: Sex, Violence, Colonialism 332 KB Hymn of SFX in Konkani 1245 KB -- Frederick Noronha Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] P: +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 Yahoo: fredericknoronha Skype: fredericknoronha GTalk: fredericknoronha 784, Sonarbhat, Near Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India
Re: [Goanet] Understanding Gilbert
George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To help other Goanetters better understand Gilbert, I requested JoeGoaUK to come along with me this morning and videotape Gilbert defending the Catholic Church. Vividly brings to my mind visions of Don Quixote versus the windmills... :) All we need now is a Sancho Panza. Selma? Allwyn.
[Goanet] more notes from lisbon
India´s most valuable gift to the world, Kama Sutra, is suddenly in vogue in Lisbon. Two magazines, Maxem, and GQ (Gentlemen´s Quarterly) and given away free pamphlet-size issues of the ancient India way of lovemaking. GQ is priced at euro 3.99 and I didn´t checkt he prize of the other one. Monuments abound in Portugal but I doubt anything like the erotic sculpture that are seen in ajanta alora and elsewhere is available in this country. Has the Portuguese tied of the western ways of lovemaking? A question perhaps some of the Portugal-based netters can answer? Undoubtedly, it is a marketing gimmick, just like many women´s mangazine come with bags, sandals, pouches, etc. anyway, it seems like the Kama Sutra season in Portugal with the balmy weather and the sun and the sea for a fabulous backdrop. Can you ask for anything more? Eugene Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
[Goanet] Catholic schools in Goa
Sachin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [Goanet] Catholic schools in Goa This is an interesting thread. However, I was wondering if there is any data how many schools in Goa are run by Catholics and how many by Hindus. Sachin Phadte. Dear Sachin, Data on schools and their Managements is available with the Directorate of Education, Government of Goa. Normally, schools managed by the DSE and ABE are referred to a Catholic schools, although schools like Spring Valley, Holy Family, Mater Dei [even 'Sharada Mandir' in yester years] are managed by societies or trusts where the individuals who comprise the management profess the Catholic faith. Hindu organisations [ like the Hindu Mathagramasta that runs the Damodar High School in Margao or Vidya Prabhodini in Porvorim] have a few schools. there are educational Trusts/Societies which have exclusive Hindu trustees [like Saraswat Edution Society] or Hindu majority [like Janata Education Society which has had a member of my family on its Board for many years]. Except in DSE or ABE or RSS-run schools, the religion of the management generally has nothing to do with what they teach.or the religion of their students. Mog asundi. Miguel -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] Euducating Selma :((( Re: Vol 2, Issue 598
Hei Selma, The truth about kinder gardens is that they provide a start to an education especially if they have been the group that have been denied it. :))) Kindergartens should be fun places but they should also be places where you are learning. It would appear that either the teaching method is bad or perhaps you are not learning. Kevin never called me names. He and I may disagree on some issues and agree on others. But calling each other names Never. :))). regards rn
[Goanet] The Infinite Hotel Re: Vol 2, Issue 598
Hei Folks, The debates on Evolutionist? Kevin, the Deity of Truth, monist, dualist . the seekers of truth all have rooms at the Infinite Hotel Hilbert's Paradox which I have mentioned before. http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/12/04/infinite-hotel. There is always room for one more truth in our quest for the truth. The reference is worth a good read. You may enjoy it. Cheers
Re: [Goanet] Re : Goa to Portugal - the journey of art .......thethree-day Global Goan Convention in Lisbon
Shashikant, Your firm and uncompromising stand on how the Portuguese Govt should process your nationality application inspired me to day dream about how I should have gone about my interview for Canadian immigration, years ago. Ideally, my meeting with Kevin Robinson, in Cairo, would have been thus: KR: Good morning Mr Francis and welcome to your interview for Canadian immigration. Me: I would have felt more welcome if you had come to interview me in Doha (where I lived), rather than having me come here to Cairo. KR: I apologize for the inconvenience. How is your family? Me: They are sitting outside, having come to Cairo with me, as your letter requested. Now your assistant tells me they are not required during this interview. What a waste of airfares. KR: We'll make that up to you, someday. (Rustling through my bulky file) Tell me something about your career skill sets and accreditations. Me: Isn't it all there in the file? It took me a lot of time compiling it, and you have not even read it? KR: Ok, Ok, let's discuss something else. What made you apply for Canadian immigration? Me: What a loaded question. I could take about 5 hours to explain it to you, but do you have the time? KR: Indeed not Roland. You seem very much on the ball and I must tell you that I have no hesitation in granting you and your family the right to immigrate. A letter for your medicals will be sent to you in a week's time. Me: Look here Sir, I look quite fit don't I? And my family sitting outside, look quite fit too don't they? Do you think I am immigrating to Canada for your medical facilities when the best of treatments are available free, here in Qatar. KR: (making a motion to indicate end of interview) Ok we'll dispense with that, but you will have to get us a Police Clearance from Bombay. Me: Wait a minute Sir! More foolishness? I left Bombay 15 years ago. How do you reckon they will clear me when they don't even know me. KR (definitely losing patience) Fine then, we shall dispense with all the formalities and just arrange to have your visas ready for your collection in 2 months. Me: Wht? I have to come again to Cairo just to collect my visas? Are you guys nuts? Haven't you heard of courier services? Exeunt Kevin Robinson and Roland Francis. Shashikant, less my insubordination, rudeness and humor, that is exactly what happened in real life. But alas, other than wishful thinking, I made no attempts to point out to the Canadian Foreign Service on how they should frame their procedures. Roland. On 7/17/07, Zodiacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Paulo, We are in a democratic world and we all have the right to choose and live in our own way. As per my previous email, i do admit the serious issue of fraud applicants, but what about the administration defiencies of portugal government as written and pointed in my response to jose colaco message. Rather then, delaying and unnecessarily harassing the applicants the authorities should insist on improving the time bound system.
Re: [Goanet] First Konkani Karaoke song
Dear Edward, The lyrics of the song Dukham Sanvronam does not display when the song is playing. The lyrics displayed in the lyrics menu is in other language not in konkani. To view the lyrics We have to open the word file or the other files. So here i put the lyrics along with the song. when you start playing the song you will also able to view the lyrics in the lyrics menu and sing along. Thanks, Borgee --- Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My friend John Barreto from Bahrain has been working on Konkani Karaoke music for some time now. We tried our best to remove the voice from the Konkani songs with help of softwares available on net.. but could not succeed. However John has not given up and is now singing konkani songs with the help of English Midi's. John has shared with me some of the songs he recorded on his pc. Now you too can sing konkani songs...here is how to go about it... Below are the lyrics of the famous Alfred Rose Song Dukham Sanvronam and here is the link to the midi file. http://www.goanet.org/images/topics/Konkani/Music/Karaoke/DukhamSanvronam.mid This is how the karaoke singing works outopen up the midi and sing along. I hope one day someone will come out with good Konkani Karaoke music. Enjoy! Dev Borem Korum Edward Verdes/KSA === Dukham sanvronam, Nirmoll kallzak ghavo zala to pekonam, Tuje osoli devi dusri mevchinam, Rochnnaran kazar kiteak favo kelenam, vhoi kelemnam Anstem rup tujem, Nialltoch kallzak pet'ta akttem ujeachem, Tunch mozo fuddar dissoi neketr Sorginchem, Sozmotalom tunch mhunn amrut jivitachem, Khoimsor geleim, khoimsor geleim Kazarachea dissa, aksident zaun, choddfoddeanim meleim Kallzak balo topun geleim, kalliz toddun veleim Zogllaunnem koxem jivitan aileim Ekach minutan, tum nattak zalem, fottoun geleim Pisso zalam anv, chintunk naslelea mornan giraslem tuka Kazarachea dissa, tunvem fottoilo maka Makai vor, sonvsaran anink dovrinaka, tunch vor maka. Lyrics compiled by Eddie Verdes Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Death Announcement: Ryan Luke Fortes
19th July 2007: Arusha, Tanzania. RYAN LUKE FORTES. Aged 24. Son of Lucas/Yvonne (Mwanza/Canada). Brother of Sarah, Leo and Darrel. Nephew of Leo/Marianne (Arusha/Holland), Timmy/Leena (Dubai/Canada), Stephen/Numaish (Mwanza) and the late William. Funeral details will be announced later. Condolence messages may be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] May his soul rest in peace. Amen.
[Goanet] Send Him Back To Vengurla - What Do You Expect of a Bhaillo Principal in Goa ?
What Do You Expect of the Bhaillo Principal Mahesh Vengurlekar in Goa - Send Him Back to Vengurla, Maharashtra ! We Need Goan College Principals in Goa ! Dr. Carmo D'Cruz ex Velim, Goa There was high drama at the Government's Art College, Altinho, on July 11, with students and former students along with representatives of the Youth Congress gheraoing the principal, Mahesh Vengurlekar, and demanding his resignation alleging his failure to solve several of their problems. The students have also resolved to boycott classes from July 12 onwards. Alleging shoddy infrastructure in the college premises, students voiced several of their problems including that they should be refunded the amount paid by them annually for the college magazine, as the college did not publish it for the last three years. They also demanded the refund of their gymkhana fee as they claimed the gym did not exist. [GT]
Re: [Goanet] Goa to Portugal - the journey of art - final response to Shashikant
Response, I am fully agree with you Mr. Colaco. There were frauds done by non-Goans to obtain the Portuguese Citizenship and they are enjoying in Portugal. Our question is that the Consulate of Goa checked the papers, done final identification and got the CR number and now they do not reply at all. I feel that the Consulate should do something to the genuine applicants. If someone raise this issue to the Authority in Portugal it will surely sort the problem and do the needful. Please help the Goans and their wish should be fulfilled. Regards, Mario Vicente Santos Pereira, Shashikant wrote (and I have placed it in point format) - My answers follow his post. 1)Why has the portuguese government not obtain the records of Birth,marriage, death from the respective registrars of Goa, daman diu and all these years ridiculously wasted in allegations. 2)One cannot consider fraud or fabricated documents as an excuse for delay and 2b) it is the duty of the portuguese governement to see that No geniune applicant should suffer. 3) If the records are send for re-verification then it is the duty of the consulate authorities to co-ordinate and liaise with the registrar for the same. 4)Anyone approaching the portuguese consulate is never given the true and correct advice, No PRO, no helpdesk, emails unanswered and confirm replies are never given. 4b) Also there is no separate division formed by the portuguese authorities at Lisboa where an individual can express their grievences and directly communicate incase there is no adequate response from the consulate. 4c) We all know that all the foreign consulate's are very meticulous and have a well to do system but this is not the case with portugal. 5)There have been even cases that despite being the original document produced, the consulate ask for more documents and it is always not possible to have all the documents for anybody. 5b) Any articles posted by any journalist should not defer goans in lisboa to help geniune people. 5c)I hence feel the necessity to seriously bring this matter to the portuguese ministry as it is high time. --jc's comments-- re the above - I will try get these points across. I believe Paulo has already answered some other queries quite well. re 1: Have no clue what Shashikant means by that sentence - hence will SKIP the query re 2: Once fraud occurs, trust fails and all kinds of barriers come up; some of them as excuses, others as part of due diligence. Now that a Portuguese passport affords automatic right to enter, look for work and work in the EU (accompanying spouse of any nationality having similar privileges) - Portugal must do its due diligence (which in civil service terms could mean... IF the chaps from any place are known to produce bogus documents - why bother at all) re 2b: According to which law does the Portuguese Govt have a DUTY towards those who apply for nationality? And HOW does Portugal know which applicant is 'genuine' and which is bogus? As far as Portugal is concerned, it might well be that the thinking is that - MOST of the genuine ones from Goa have already been registered. Most of the rest are merely opportunists. No Sweat. re 3: I submit that you either do not know the meaning of the word duty, or you do not understand the limitations under which consulates and their officials work in a foreign country. re 4: This point is essentially true for the Goa consulate...though an on line system has been in place for purposes of info. BTW: I have observed no such problem with consulates in Miami, DC or NY. If anything, they are extremely helpful. re 4b: I wonder.. Under which budgetary (or other) mandate, can or should the Portuguese Govt set up a division to address the grievances of applicants from a place which is notorious for fake certificates. Perhaps, Shashikant will advise us of another country which does the same. As far as email queries are concerned, my personal experience is that the Conservatoria does respond quite promptly to queries...but in Portuguese. re 4c: perhaps Shashikant will tell us which nation's consulate is meticulous with regard to citizenship applications from Goa etc and on what basis he says that. re 5: The consulate needs to do all it has to do to ensure that the applicant is NOT bogus. re 5b: regret to inform you that Goans in Lisbon are under NO obligation to help those who did not help themselves. Furthermore, I personally would not help anyone who has not yet cared enough to tell us his full name. re 5c: Strongly recommend that you do not hold your breath for that to happen jc
Re: [Goanet] reply to Kamalaksh - RSS Fear mongering
GILBERT LAWRENCE wrote My only point to Kamlaksh is: You and Bhandare have shifted your argument. You previously posted that RSS will only respond physically in retaliation to violence and will not be the first to take action. Your new stand is: RSS and its cadres will take action to prevent problems, in the possibility these may occur in future. Can you tell me: Who appointed you as Goa's Top Cop or Security Chief? If you are lost for a reply, please say, The next BJP-RSS government.:=)) - KAMALAKSH CHARI Bhandare's writing aren't factual to the people who will encourage terrorist organisations to settle down in Goa and create communal riots spoiling Goa's integrity. Recent example is the eve teasing in Margao market by a gang of some muslim community members originally migrants outside Goa. Will you tolerrate Pakistanis or Bangaldeshis to infiltrate here and build mosques n madarsas. Why not, definitely, coz you said so? And if whatever goes wrong, like riots or tensions due to these madarsas there are always RSS or other saffron organizations to put blame on, see sanvordem-curchorem example. -- Hi Gilbert, Your replies happens to be unrelated to my post in any manner. You seem to be guessing and dead reckoning. I was expecting your response on my questions, but you queerly avoided them. I have no idea whether you studied for history and answered geography in your schools. Is it so? But please don't blame me for that. I think its you who lost a reply of my question. Now responding your last two lines, take for example if my house is burned by some terrorist(may be by your beloved Saudi or Hubli people) or by anyone else, my first responsibility is to put it off, isn't it Mr. Gilbert? Or should I wait for fire brigade to reach my house, may be even by that time my house is burnt down to ashes. I reckon you'll opt for latter. In this scenario I'll be Security Chief of my house and try my best to extinguish it, the outcome might be the same as latter one, but I'll put my efforts to stop it rather watching it burn. Look, no one appointed me top cop in that situation, it is the state of affairs that made be step into top cop shoes. May be if you were also present on the spot, had helped me in extinguishing, by giving me a gallon of water gifted to you by your Saudi friends without realizing its petrol, not water, then would have proudly said you helped me saving my house, but it was I who ignited it again.. The same thing applies when such incidents happen in my village, Goa or my Country India. My reaction will be the same.. if I could not make it to reach the affected area in time, tell you what, RSS halfpants or khaki chaddi or saffron people or communal people (that will help you understand better) will be seen helping victims( they won't even know whether they're rescuing Gopal, Gilbert, Gurwinder, or Rehmatullah). Instead of all this you won't fall short in saying RSS is culprit behind that fortuity. You can refer Floods in Orissa, Latur Earthquake, train incident which took in the past, RSS was the first to hear their cry and reach for their cause. You have own predictions regarding RSS, Saffron(i know you ilk minded use it cleverly instead of using Hindu in its place, because it will unwrap your hidden communalism) Organisations. But i doubt is it really you, or someone devised you to crafty manoeuvre to outwit RSS. Kamalaksh Chari
[Goanet] Goa Lost Cause - colaco Re: Vol 2, Issue 600
Hei JC Again I have to confess my ignorance of the MGP. I hope I am not making a habit of disclosing my ignorance :))). From what you say they appear to be about ethnic cleansing or similar. Ok if you say so. I will have to read up about them. Well, in that case get organised, get united with all goans. I am afraid it takes a lot of sacrifice, hard work at grass root level. The RSS I understand is a very well organised and structured party. Get Bhandare's help. :))) But talk is easy. Getting down to working and building up support from goans has never been easy. But then if we have been lol lazy, good for nothing, sossegado feni drinkers well its time to change. Don't you agree? Actually, I am afraid that I agree to an extent that there is some truth in that statement. I have said so here in so many words before. A correct prognosis is only the first step. There is global evidence that if you flee from the land or the invader succeeds in killing off all the inhabitants or corralling them into controlable areas then the invader makes the land his own. Then without further ado you hear God Save whatever . as the rallying cry with God on your side making it legitimate. Don't mention the atrocities. Take USA, Canada, Brazil, Peru, Diego Garcia .. but not Cyprus, Kenya, South Africa. because they stood up and resisted. The main point is you fight for your rights and stand up and be counted. Get rid of them whether it is the MGP, Congress, SFG . if they are not there for the Goans. And keep religion out of it. It is about politics and realpolitik's. As for MGP or Congress or any other party you care to name it would be pretty short sighted if they see Goans as an ethnic group to be cleansed. Unfortunately, even our drunks are of the same blood group and genetic makeup, I think. Hahaha Which ever party we have then we have to make them see that too. Cheers rn
Re: [Goanet] Understanding Gilbert
--- allwyntc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vividly brings to my mind visions of Don Quixote versus the windmills... :) All we need now is a Sancho Panza. Selma? There are many who find themselves in the circumstances in which Don Quixote found himself. I had written about this earlier on Goanet under the title Goan Cyber-Ranga-La Mancha. Here is the link: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg35062.html Gilbert is defending the Church against the atheists, sociologists and scientists. Allwyn is defending postmodernism, the New Age and eastern mysticism against modern science and western establishment. Gilbert believes Christian theologians and grandmothers have already discovered everything about the brain and cancer, so it is a waste of money to do medical research. Allwyn believes Ayurveda and Chinese Medicine are legitimate sciences, whereas modern medical science is not a science at all because it relies on objective observational evidence. Gilbert believes those who point out wrongdoing such as plagiarism and verbal abuse on Goanet should apologize or be reprimanded. Allwyn believes that there are no proofs even in Mathematics. I am happy to play Sancho Panza in all these types of circumstances. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] First Konkani Karaoke song
Borgee, Thanks, for the mp3. As you know goanet does not allow attachements, hence I requested bosco to post it via link. Anway what i wanted to say was that play the midi on the back ground and read the words from the mail... On other forums I had posted the midi as an attachment so netters could play the midi and sing the words from the mail. There is another way of doing it...in PPS...so that would be first Konkani Karaoke e-song..:) Your converting of midi into mp3 helps as midi can only be played on pc...if anyone wants the mp3 version of love story do write to me.. dev borem korum eddie - Original Message - From: borg costa Dear Edward, The lyrics of the song Dukham Sanvronam does not display when the song is playing. The lyrics displayed in the lyrics menu is in other language not in konkani. To view the lyrics We have to open the word file or the other files. So here i put the lyrics along with the song. when you start playing the song you will also able to view the lyrics in the lyrics menu and sing along. Thanks, Borgee
[Goanet] THE SWEET ESCAPE 2007 ............GOA Toronto
G.O.A Senior Young Adults BOAT CRUISE! Heyy guy How's everyone's summer going??? Hope you all are having a BLAST!!! Have I got news for you guys!!! Check it out... The G.O.A presents THE SWEET ESCAPE 2007 Annual Boat Cruise . Inviting all YOUNG Adults, ages 19+ to attend. Join us on Friday, August 17th for this exciting event Board the Empire Sandy and sail the waters of Lake Ontario while enjoying a delicious bufet dinner, dancing and music all under the stars. Dress to Impress!! No Jeans, No Hats, No Runners!!~ Enjoy a variety of hip-hop, reggae, soca, old school pop-culture music by DJ Revolution!!! Get your ticket (cash only) to this annually sold-out event FAST!! Don't miss the LOW Early bird price of: Mem -- $25 NonMem -- $35 Early bird pricing only until AUGUST 1st. After August 1st: Mem -- $30 NonMem -- $40 Boat Boarding Time: 8:30pm Return Time: 1am (Please hold onto tickets: Wicked AFTER PARTY @ Union Nightclub, 240 Richmond St. West) NEW Boat...NEW Ambiance...NEW Music...Let's end the summer with a BLAST!! Come on out and make this summer night one to remember!! For Tickets Info: West-- Fiona D'Silva - 905-... -- Tanya Aguiar - 416-...East -- Gazelle D'Souza - 647-... -- Sherman Fernandes- 647-... Tickets will be sold @ VIVA GOA (Sat. July 28th) too Hope to see you ALL there Thanks have fun The G.O.A Senior Young Adults Committee == Friends of Goa and World Goan Associations to organize `GLOBAL GOAN CHILDREN ART COMPETITION 2007- We thank GOANET for extending their support for this competition. Read all about it on www.goatoronto.com - www.goansw.com - www.goacom.com - Gulfgoan news - www.goaworld.com - www.goanet.org - and ...etc., === VIVA GOA - TORONTO - 28th JULY , 2007 = Once again we have designated our Viva Goa celebrations as part of our Goa Day celebration. ; Oscar Furtado , President , GOA Toronto www.goatoronto.com = Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
[Goanet] Goans in the new world - Chef Floyd Cardoz of New York's Tabla Restaurant
Goan chef, Floyd Cardoz of Tabla Restaurant in New York, gets recognized by New York Magazine: http://nymag.com/daily/food/2007/07/a_toddle_around_jackson_height_1.html#gs-digest http://nymag.com/daily/food/2007/06/tablas_floyd_cardoz_corners_th_1.html#more More on Floyd courtesy Google.com
[Goanet] Pisstakerov Axioms (Bhandare) Re: Vol 2, Issue 600
Hei So Bhandare now we know all about Kolmogorov axioms as the starting point of building up a theories. So what Pisstakerov axioms can we define for Sunith to play Junior Santosh? LOL Just an idea the proof is in the pudding: :))) regards
[Goanet] Menkurem postmaster booked for funds misappropriation
-- samir *BICHOLIM, JULY 18* - Bicholim police has booked an offence against a postmaster from Menkurem Bicholim in connection with the misappropriation of Rs 10,500. According to reports, Inspector of Post (Mapusa Sub-Division), N K Zorba complained that Pundalik Y Parab, postmaster of the Gramin Dak Seva Branch at Mankurem, had misappropriated recurring deposits worth Rs 10,000, sometime between July 2005 and October 2006. He said Parab, used to recover monthly payments from people with Recurring Deposits and would make entries into their passbooks, but had failed to record the entries into the RD journal. The amount collected by Parab was not credited to the concerned branch of the post office at Menkurem, thereby misappropriating the amount of Rs 10,500. PSI T P Walke is investigating the case. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20070719/86df4042/attachment.htm
[Goanet] Response for Venantius
Dear Venatius: Let me explain myself one more time. I believe: 1.lay catholics in general are not responsible for the sex abuse in the RC Church. Mnay of them are very disheartened for having been taken for a ride. 2. Overwhelming majority of priests are good people,a large number of then have even been falsely accused in the past and hence are victims themselves. 3.The main issue is not pedophilia here, afterall it is present in all cultures and in many organizations (even ISKCON was involved in the 1970s i believe) 4. The issue here is that the Pope tried to cover up the scandal, hampered law enforcemnt efforts byb threatening subordinates with excommunication if they co-operated, and did nothing to stop the abuse which we now know has been going on for decades.The offending priests were merely shifted from parish to parish thereby enabling them to molest more kids. 5. In a country where people are prosecuted for turning up at a decoys house after engaging in explict chatting online and their names probably entered in a sex offender list (NBC Dateline- catch a predator) we are seing how cardinals like mahony and Law got scot free after using money to buy off justice.They should have been arrested and their names entered in a sex offender database. The churches proclivity to settle such cases also raises questions about what the church has to hide..are there more sordid skeletons in the proverbial cupboard? 6.You comparison with sati and child marriage is unfair because I am not holding catholics collectivelyresponsible for the sins of a few. Similarly all hindus cant be held responsible for sati, all mulsims shouldnt be held responsible for al qaeda activities and neither are all brahmins responsible for dalit persecution 7. Catholics who continue to pay money voluntarily to an organization that has now beyond any doubt used that money to protect pedophiles from law, are as much responsible for it as those who sponsor say other organizations like KKK or bajrang dal or al qaeda or LTTE One cant claim to be humnaist and secular if one donates money to organizations whose actions have been proved to be detrimrntal to society. Finally I would ask you a question myself: Do you believe that a person can be a member of the Bajrang Dal or Shiv Sena, attend its programs, contribute money to its coffers and yet claim to be secular liberal and progressive? Would his explanation that I am trying to reform the organization fromw within be acceptable? Regards Bhandare Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
[Goanet] Death and funeral announcement
Death: AGUIAR ANTONIO DA CUNHA 10 Jul: Sydney, Australia. AGUIAR ANTONIO DA CUNHA (born Feb 5, 1923, ex-Nairobi and Uganda). Husband of Lily (nee Pinto). Father/father-in-law of Nicky and Millie Hira, Eugene and Merlin Remedios, and Mervin and Lorraine Da Cunha. Grandfather of Annette, Roshan, Naveen, Colin, Meryl, Ingrid, Sarah and Gemma. Great-grandfather of Rani. Funeral will be held on Wed. July 18 at St. Columbkilles, Corrimal NSW at 11:30am. Instead of flowers, his family requests that donations are made to the Diabetes Foundation in Aguiar's name. Condolences [EMAIL PROTECTED] Death: LEO CORREIA 26 Jun: Milton Keynes, UK. LEO CORREIA (aged 70, ex-Mombasa). Brother of Victor/Mabel (UK) and Esmeralda (Perth, Aus). Funeral at 1.45 pm on Wed. 11 July at St Augustine's Church, Langcliffe Drive, Heelands, Milton Keynes MK13 7PL followed by 2.45 at the Crematorium. In lieu of flowers, please make offers of masses for his soul. Condolences to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For and on behalf of the family GWS
[Goanet] Press Note - Reply to Anacleto
ROMI LIPI ACTION FRONT c/o Rhythm House, Below City Hospital ,Opp. Meenaxi Hotel, Margao, Goa.403 601.Mob. 9822386579 Ref: RLAF/Press Date: 16.7.2007 To the Editor, Press Note, for kind favour of publication VIEWS OF ANACLETO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HIS OWN The views of Mr Anacleto Viegas on the matter of Roman Script as expressed by him in the Navhind Times of 16th July 2007, are strictly his own , as he himself says so in the same Press interview. Mr Anacleto admits that the matter is still to be discussed at the UGDP presidium meeting and hence the views as expressed by him are also not the views of the UGDP. The whole of Goa knows that Advocate Radharao Gracias, the real backbone of the UGDP is 110% for Roman Script Konkani. Mr.Radharao in fact is, till date the only person who had attempted to bring the same Amendment Bill in the Goa Assembly, in the past when he was himself an M.L.A. Mr.Anacleto's views for that matter, on any issue, are always his own. There seems to be some sort of panic in the mind of Anacleto and probably his only supporter in the U.G.D.P. Mr. Prashant Naik. The reason for this panic seems to be some sort of insecurity. This insecurity is becoming more and more obvious by his frequent attacks on Mr.Churchill Alemao and all the good that Mr.Churchill is planning to do for Goa. Anyway, it is the voice of the people that always prevails and not the voice of an individual. And Mr.Churchill Alemao represents the Voice of the People of Goa. WILMIX WILSON MAZARELLO Convenor ROMI LIPI ACTION FRONT.
[Goanet] Evolutionist Kevin?
Our home-grown dukracho-vhois, Kevin, is a smart-alec. He has pulled a Goveia on us!! Even though he is busy adjusting his Speedo, so as to adjust his tan line, all week on a Caribbean beach(Psst!!), he successfully managed to keep his name on every third message on Goanet..grin-grin. Should recommend the vhois switch professions to marketing when he returns tomorrow!!! Ohhh.another thingbesides Kevin's affair with the K-C, he wears alot of orange clothing with the Aum sign all over. He is also a veg (check his email address).he is definitely evolving..and leaving a few Goanetters revolving..in his wake! - Bosco T.O
[Goanet] Goa to Portugal - the journey of art .......{RESPONSE}
Further to my messages i do not mean to offend anybody and we are not on any hot platform, but it certainly pains when the geniune people suffer. My only appeal to all the goans is that when any Political or social gatherings or conventions takes place, the issue of portuguese nationality should be certainly discussed seriously. It does not matter what amount of verification does the CRC or the consulate need to arrive at a decision, but what is concerned is the amount of period consumed for this entire process, which should not exceed more than 2.5 to 3 Years. Shashikant.
[Goanet] Whither the intellect, morality and integrity?
Goanetters Somehow accidentally, some of my old emails on Goanet did not get discarded from my computer and they proved to be quite interesting when revisited unintentionally. One that stood out was from Teotonio R. de Souza dated 5/8/04 on the subject of Goan Freedom Fighters. Teotonio explicitly says to F... I shall be glad if you can provide me (by private mail) what you know or care to tell me of these two personalities He also tells F..details about a person called Dhondo, I would be wearing a cassock [then]. Now this is definitely the same Teotonio who was thoroughly regalled recently by several Goanetters for making public some mail sent privately to him. He has also been rather quiet when challenged on this matter. I therefore genuinely wonder what kind of intellect requests private mail and is then untroubled in disclosing such (private) mail to all and sundry? Does intellect, morality and integrity not feature in this kind of person's psyche? Just asking! Cornel DaCosta, London, UK.
[Goanet] Paedophilia A Difficult Question To Answer Why? Re: Vol 2, Issue 600
Hei Folks, Why is paedophilia so difficult a question to answer? It is not. Paedophilia is a crime against society. Crime is not condoned. What society do we know of, that condones paedophilia? I know of no primitive or advanced society that does. It is a crime against society and is punishable by the laws in that society. It is also a crime for aiding and abetting to a crime if you please. Does it matter if the perpetrator is an archbishop or cardinal, farm hand or monarch? Not a bit. No one is above the law. Laws are there to protect society. Are we not mixing religion with a crime against society? In the recent case the fact that a member of the clergy committed a crime is neither here or there.There is no doubt that the public have a right to expect a higher standard of morality from the clergy and institutions that are custodians of the Society. However, you would not expect the The Institution of Engineers to come out with a statement condoning paedophilia because one of their members was guilty of the crime now would you? Paedophilia is not condoned by people in society. Keeping silent may be because people do not want to wash their dirty linen in public or it is too embarrassing or that it does not relate to them directly. Perhaps, there are several more reasons why people may remain silent, the least likely of which is that they condone it. No more of Bhandare's chump logic or axioms please. lol . Cheers
Re: [Goanet] PARRIKAR: KEEP MIGRANTS OFF
Hi Carmo Are you serious? Goan migrants have gone all over the world. Should they, like you, be sent back to Goa? This is a serious question and I hope you will reply to it. Thanks Regards Cornel CARMO DCRUZ wrote: Way to Go Manohar ! We do not need any BHAILES in Goa ! Send them to Kerala ! Keep Goa for Goans Only ! - Carmo D'Cru
[Goanet] article
Law Does not exist Our elected government is very serious about foreigners buying land in Goa, but what about the misuse of Goa's precious land by our fellow brothers so called builders with the help politicians in power and the concerned corrupt authorities ?The illegal compound wall constructed by the wife of the one and only non corrupt, sincere,Health minister in the Digamber Kamat government is the clear and the open example confirming how law has been abided by the powerful and the rich people in Goa.Our constitution says, equally we stand as far as law is concerned but practically speaking, different laws for the different people. Our beloved Churchill bab who call himself as the saviour of Goa want the government to end or legalise the matka in Goa.Why not legalise the selling of government jobs in the market? Is it not true that government jobs are been sold? Has any elected member debated on such issues in the assembly? Save Goa Front has definitely saved Churchill but whether it will succeed in saving Goa is a million dollar question. Garbage has become a major concern for niz goenkars. People have started to fall sick in a place call Curca.Again the people of Goa has voted the garbage into power. If one type of garbage proposes a solution, another type of garbage opposes it and the result is gorib goenkars suffer. The historic village of Cuncolim was in the news prior to the assembly elections. The issue was pollution created by the industries in the industrial estate. The elections are over. Everybody is silent. Has the industries causing pollution closed? Has the industrial waste dumped in the nearby fields cleared and the water from the nearby wells turned crystal clear pure and best in the world? What about the PIL filed by one of the Pollution leaders and fought by one of the Save Goa leaders? Has till date any judgement passed by our court of law on the said PIL? If no how many more years the court needs to pass the judgement? How people like me can keep our faith on such a kind of law? Last but not the least, we all are brothers and sisters. There should not be any problem if some of our rich brothers and sisters like to rob the poor ones. Viva Goa. Joel Morais P.O.Cuncolim, Bencleamvaddo, Salcette,Goa. TEL- 0832 2764094
