Re: [Goanet] correctionS.
2008/8/2 Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Correction: Please read the word with as without. I mean to say Kevin did NOT consult the committee. In the last para of Part II, I said attended which should have been ended. Trying to check and correct glaring mistakes late today after returning from a tiring daylong trip to the Niagara region. Eugene QUESTION: Did you buy a bottle or two or your famous 'Ice wine' ? Nice but rather expensive, finished a bottle in one go, although it is supposed to be drunk as an aperitif or as an after, dinner drink. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times)
EXCERPTS The letter was leaked to the Press. Thereafter, a vicious campaign was launched on the Internet to discredit Rebello. Everything has changed so much, that I can no longer articulate the concerns of the GBA, lamented Rebello. The doctor took exception to the vicious campaign launched against him by Internet-savvy members of the GBA. They have tried to destroy my credibility, he said. - Who is Dotor Oscar referring to ? Who are these GBA members who are internet savvy ? Is he referring to Penpricks or Rajan Parrikar ?
[Goanet] Goa news for August 3, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Margao is main hub of Goa\'s own matka - Times of India [Jul 30, 2008] MARGAO: One might think that with the death of Bombay matka kingpin, Suresh Bhagat a blow would be dealt to matka activity in Goa. However, with the closing ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Margao_is_main_hub_of_Goas_own_matka/articleshow/3308177.cmscid=0ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBAusg=AFQjCNFB3p0v_3ejb7xS_zb8ufqubS7zAA *** Goa University grapples with low admission rates - Times of India [Jul 31, 2008] PANAJI: As many as three departments of the Goa university have registered the lowest intake in five consecutive years for their respective postgraduate ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_University_grapples_with_low_admission_rates/articleshow/3312398.cmscid=0ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBAusg=AFQjCNF6JyHJakmIII9FIJBPkZhAn2Rzjg *** GOA could do better than with Adam Harris - Stabroek News [14 hours ago] The Art of Shooting basketball clinic co-ordinated by the Maccabees Basketball Club in collaboration with the Everything Basketball Foundation began ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.stabroeknews.com/sports/goa-could-do-better-than-with-adam-harris-2/cid=0ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBAusg=AFQjCNHq5Xxc2tukbDE4Zu0QHpidHMNugw *** Hariprasad in Goa to facilitate Babushs induction in cabinet - Navhind Times [18 hours ago] PANAJI #148; Mr BK Hariprasad, the all-India Congress committee general-secretary in-charge of Goa desk, flew in the state late on Friday evening tofacilitate ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080225cid=0ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBAusg=AFQjCNE5-OqddElp7tMVpvQFIBawHCjwHA *** Maithilis deeply rooted with Goan culture - Navhind Times [18 hours ago] by SUDESH BHOSLE VASCO #148; The Maithili community having historical and mythological links with Goa has been deeply rooted with Goan culture. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080254cid=0ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBAusg=AFQjCNEJ9pECTOBXREoik5AQMv3nkIBZPQ *** Goa Carbon to inject Rs 700 cr for growth - Financial Express [10 hours ago] Goa Carbon Ltd (GCL), a manufacturer of calcined petroleum coke (CPC) in India, on Friday, said that the company plans to invest about Rs 700 crore in its ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Goa-Carbon-to-inject-Rs-700-cr--for-growth/343607/cid=0ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBAusg=AFQjCNGr_jKeq2I-g_2t9kUWzTDOFLoBag *** Goa Carbon plans to invest Rs 700 cr for expansions - Economic Times [Aug 1, 2008] 1 Aug, 2008, 1746 hrs IST, PTI MUMBAI: Calcined Petroleum Coke maker Goa Carbon, the lone listed entity of the diversified Dempo Group, today said it is ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Indl_Goods__Svs/Metals__Mining/Goa_Carbon_plans_to_invest_Rs_700_cr_for_expansions/articleshow/3315981.cmscid=1232340584ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBAusg=AFQjCNHO1N7REBOMsW5-l8GO0ddjeDIczg *** See FY09 topline at Rs 550 cr: Goa Carbon - Moneycontrol.com [Aug 1, 2008] Goa Carbon has announced its first quarter numbers. Its Q1 net profit increased at Rs 11.6 crore from Rs 1.9 crore. Shrinivas Dempo, Chairman, Goa Carbon ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://news.moneycontrol.com/india/news/results-boardroom/see-fy09-topline-at-rs-550-crgoa-carbon/15/05/350069cid=1232340584ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBAusg=AFQjCNGVTN9vKRTNxvFNeeSnUctTZFwyGA *** Goa will have 55 NIT seats, Centre tells high court - Times of India [23 hours ago] PANAJI: The central government on Fridayclarified before the high court of Bombay at Goa that it proposes to reserve 40 seats for Goan students in National ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_will_have_55_NIT_seats_Centre_tells_high_court/articleshow/3316942.cmscid=0ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBAusg=AFQjCNF2G_JnDU78rcqDzDz1IK8sCbp02g *** International conference on personal care products in Goa - Press Trust of India [17 hours ago] Mumbai, Aug 2 (PTI) About 500 delegates from 30 nations are likely to attend the global conference on personal care products to be held in Goa from October ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/F6F0DF9F0C4F97BC6525749900226F04?OpenDocumentcid=1232664078ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBAusg=AFQjCNEJR6THXaTEYDnjKsG3qeqoo39VhA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Goan Muslims: HERALD(Goa) Aug 3, 2008
GOAN MUSLIMS By Valmiki Faleiro Migrant Muslims are the flavour of current local debate. At least in the ‘Sangh Parivar,’ whose political arm is Goa’s only, and India’s principal, opposition party, the BJP. To the rest of Goa – Hindu, Catholic and, significantly, Goan Muslim – the issue is about migrants, not necessarily Muslim migrants. One Indian leader recently said that terrorists have no religion. I believe that to be true. (Though not all without religion are terrorists!) Terrorists could come from any religious calling. Similarly, migrants are migrants – of whatever religious creed. Muslim migrants (as against Goan Muslims) twice recently nearly succeeded in providing the powder keg for communal riots in my hometown, Margao. One must remember that generally speaking, Muslims in India, unlike Goan Muslims, belong to the illiterate and poor sections of the Indian social matrix. Like Christian tribals across the country, Indian Muslims have no SC/ST state patronage. They are orphans in a land of queer caste/creed-based politics. I am not some Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, and have no plans to tell the powers- that-be about the need to lift India out of its social justice morass. What I plan to dwell on today is the story of Goan Muslims, here only a few centuries, but so assimilated that you cannot spot one from another Goan Hindu or Christian, save in the superficial manner of talk, dress and place of worship – inconsequential to life. Goa had no aboriginal Muslims, like native Christians, until the Portuguese arrived. Goa was either entirely Hindu or partly Buddhist. The first Muslim conqueror, Allauddin Khilji, Sultan of Bengal, ordered his general, Mallik Kafur, to take the Deccan from the Yadavas. Kafur did that, then marched into Goa. The year: 1312. The capital city then, shifted from Chandor in Salcete, was Govapuri (roughly today’s area between Agacaim and Siridao, the core being from Pilar to ‘Vodlem Goem’ or ‘Goa Velha’ – don’t mistake it with ‘Velha Goa’ or Old Goa as foreign authors do.) It had some kilometres-long harbour, Gopakapattana, a bustling entrepôt of trade where hundreds of ships docked from all over Asia. The foolish Mallik Kafur virtually destroyed the city. Tublibh, his Muslim Governor, could not regain Goa’s lost glory. Short of revenues, Muslim rulers harassed the local Hindu populace. Unable to suffer the oppression, Goans led by Vasant Madhav and Mayi Shenai Wagle, appealed to the Hindu Vijayanagar empire for deliverance. Its general, Madhavacharya Vidyaranya (“Madhav Mantri”) liberated Goa around 1366. Vijayanagar held sway for the next about one century. But the Bahamanis were back, until Goans, led by Mhala Pai of Verna, invited the Portuguese in 1510. Muslim rule had produced no indigenous Muslims. Like Christians from South India who worked in Goa several centuries before, there always were transient Muslim traders (from West Asia.) But none local. The Goan Muslims we know today were brought in – surreptitiously – by the Portuguese. For an interesting reason. The horse, in that era, was as crucial a weapon of war as today’s battle tank. Goa was the main point of importation of the best horses from Persia and Arabia. This trade was the strategic reason why Goa was coveted by every neighbouring kingdom. The Portuguese took the city (now Old Goa) to greater heights of glory. At its pinnacle, in the mid- to late-16th century, the city was Asia’s prime trading centre with the world. Its population was a cosmopolitan mix of Europeans and traders from West to Far East Asia. The Portuguese maintained a delicate regional balance, for their own survival – and profits – by supplying horses to the constantly warring Hindu and Muslim kingdoms of South India. If the Portuguese were smart, the horse exporters of West Asia were even smarter. They ensured that only horses – and not a single mare – went to Goa. They well knew that if a single mare were exported, the Portuguese would start breeding horses in Goa. Their livelihood would be imperilled. The Portuguese tried the next best option: they decided to crossbreed Arabian horses with Indian mares, brought from Gujarat. There was, however, a hitch: Goa had neither the knowledge, much less the expertise, for cross-breeding horses. That is how horse-breeding families were smuggled from Persia and Arabia into Goa. These Muslim families were lodged around Bicholim and Valpoi. The Portuguese experiment, as we know, failed. The horse-breeders took to driving, after the advent of the motorcar in Goa in the early 20th century. From one carrier to another, as it were. Goa’s Chief Town Planner, Morad Ahmed, is certainly not one of them – he drives other forms of ‘vehicles.’ (Ends.) The Valmiki Faleiro weekly column at: http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=330 == The above article appeared in the
[Goanet] Creating A Child Friendly Classroom
In connection with GOA SUDHAROP's YEAR OF EDUCATION theme Vidya Vikas Academy (ICSE) Margao Goa Sudharop present Creating A Child Friendly Classroom - (a teachers training program) on Saturday, August 9, 2008 from 9am to 5pm at Vidya Vikas Academy, School Hall, 2nd floor, VVM Campus, G.R. Kare Road, Tansor, Comba, Margao, Goa. Participants: 60 teachers from various schools The workshop aims at increasing skills to handle emotional and behaviour issues in children, as well as create awareness about management of stress in teachers. The focus will be on practical strategies, taking actual examples and case studies from schools. Methods of training will include group discussions, lectures, case discussions and skill building exercises. Resource Persons: Dr, Nandita de Souza (Pediatrician) Dr. Priti Bakre (Child Psychiatrist) (from Sethu Centre for Child Development Family Guidance, Altinho, Goa) Topics: - Case Discussions - Handling behaviour problems in school children - Classroom Management Skills - creating an atmosphere of mutual caring and respect - Discipline policies for schools - Stress Management for teachers Programme: 0800 - 0900 - Registration 0900 - 0930 - Inauguration Introductions 0930 - 1100 - Behaviour Management (Part I) 1100 - 1130 - Coffee Break] 1130 - 1300 - Behaviour Management (Part II) 1300 - 1400 - Lunch Break 1400 - 1500 - Discipline Policies for Schools 1500 - 1600 - Stress Management for teachers 1600 - 1615 - Tea Break 1615 - 1645 - Question Time 1645 - 1700 - Wrap Up and Presentation of Certificates For additional information please contact Mr. Ibonio D'Souza at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you to all involved for making this program possible. Alan Rodrigues Melinda Powell Vidya Vikas Academy Goa Sudharop, www.goasudharop.org
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times)
Wasn't Rajan Parrikar the first to call for Oscar Rebello's resignation from the GBA a few months ago? Is Rajan a man ahead of his times? Regards, George --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By A Staff Reporter [EMAIL PROTECTED] PANJIM: Disparate forces with the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA) have finally forced the resignation of its convenor Oscar Rebello.
[Goanet] Aitaracheo Katkutleo: 'Sorry! No Parking Zone'
Sorry! No Parking Zone. Lapittachi bail nidpachi toyari kortana, bed-iche lagsor koddelir bosun paper vachpi apnnalea ghorkarak ganjil musa porim ek kuns marchelem tika dislem. Vachinastana tea disachi kosli-i gozal Navhind Times-acher chukon urli zalear, ti vachlea xivai Lapitt nidunk vochonaslo. Disalear chappun ail’li ti ek lhanxi gozal zait. Punn, te khobrek Lapittachi bail arlem-losun laun suad ditana Lapittachem mostok mat, tiksamnin ulpaitali. “Tum mhaka khal sangatalo amche gayek ani songitkar Remo baban, Dabolim vimantola lagsor, tachi Hyundai Gezt gaddi No Parking Zone zagear dovorlele khatir, taka bhouch tras ani upott dhondd farik korcho poddtolo mhunn. Punn aichea disaleancher, chiri-miri 100 rupia dhondd farik korun ani Hyundai gaddiesoit tacho V sign ditolo fottu chappun aila.” “Punn ek vhodd xikil’le ani on’toraxttrik famad songitkaran lokachea jiva kodden khellop ani surokxea ibaddop mhunnchem ek lojechi gozal.” “Punn tannem apli oddchon CISF (Central Industrial Security Force) odhikareak kolloileli.” Remochi bazu ghevn Lapittachi bail uloili. “Monis kedoi vhodd zaum. Kaide mhonntat te soglleank ek sarkele astat. Az taka nanvosto ‘pop star’ mhunn oxoch soddun dil’lo zalear falleam khorele ‘bomb blast stars’ bomb-sfott korpa sarkelo gaddi ‘no parking zone’ zagear soddun vetele. Tednam inosent lokacho jiv luksonan poddtolo.” “Mhaka-i bhi konnacho-i jiv luksannank ghelolo naka. Punn, amcho Remo baban apli vollok dil’li astanai-i vimantollache surokxa samballpi odhikareamni tachem magnnem kannar dovorunk na. Remo-che zagear, Gõy luttpi, chor-beiman Montri aslo zalear, tachi red-light pettleli gaddi polloun ani salam marun koslich surokxechi topasnni korinastana vochunk dita asle.” Lapittachi bail rajkarnnanchi ttika marit uloili. “Porche disa Benglure ani Ahmedabad fattat-fatt bomb-sfott zalelean Bharotachea mukhel zageancher ani odhik korun vimantollancher surokxa vaddounk koddok huhum dil’lo asa, ani Gõyantu-i mottea promonnan lagu kela. Zaum to Remo vo dusre namneche mon’xamni (celebrities) surokxa pallchele kaide poile apnavun, dusreank bori dekh diunk zai.” “Mumbai vochpachem viman ‘Jet Airways’ suntpacho vell zalelean thakttichea boballar tannem chukun apli gaddi thoddea sekenddam khatir No Parking Zone dovorleli tedna CISF odhikareamni BDS (Bomb Disposal Squad) hankam fone kelo. Ani kitem kai mhonnlear bomb sodpea thaim bomb sodunk favo teo vostu nasleleo khoim. Ani oxe toren khorele bomb dovortolea zagear vochun BDS kitem kortele kai? Hem chintun fuddarak public zagear vochpachi hanvem nakarlam” “Puro, puro chodd zalem tujem. Uloita te toren VVIP (Very, Very Important Person) dista tum” “Goddie hanv sorkarak vo publikak nhoi zait. Punn mhojea ghorkarak ani bhurgeank ek khoreli VIP ghorkarn’n ani avoy zaun asam Benglur ani Ahmedabad bomb-sfottan khubuch inosent lok mela. Tanche jivitan konn tori tim aplea mogacheank VIP aslim. Remo baban apli vollok dili astamna-i vimantollache surokxa samballpi aikonant tedna apli motor-gaddi thoinch soddun gorjechea kama khatir Mumbai vochunk gelo to. Remo-nk bori vangnnunk diunk na kori, punn tache Hyundai motor-gaddiek mat soglli zotnay gheun Vasco pulis thannar veli ani gaddi mat surokxitt urli. Itlem nattok korun xevottak zoitivont konn zalo? Ani ek aik. Apnnali gaddi ani apunn trasant poddla mhunn, Remo-n khoincha-i Gõychea pochpochit rajkarnnink (politicians) fone korun adhar magunk na. Velean, Goyche sorkarache dolle ugoddle.” “Tor te koxe?” “Gaddieche fattlea sitar kale ronganche ek bag aslem khoim. Goddie to bomb zait mhunn vimantollachea sekurittink dislem, ani tannim tabortob BDS hankam fone korun kolit kelem. Bomb sodpacheo favo teo vostu nasun ani asat teo kamank upkaronant tosleo pornneo (outdated) vostu ghevn BDS Ponnje thavn Dabolim vimantollar pavunk don horam laglim khoim. Zori khorelea akantvadeamni Gõychea khoinchea-i zagear bhirantkull bomb-sfottachem chaddor ghalit zalear Bomb Disposal Squad kitem kortele kai? Goycho sorkar atam tori uttholo ani Gõyche porjecho jiv surokxit dovortolo?” “Atam tujem somptelem vo ratbhor CD vazot asteli?” Lapittan vachtolo paper mezar soddun apli tokli unxear dovortana mhonnlem. “Hanvem dilea ti tablet lagli kitem tuka? Sarkem uloilear tuka rag ieta. Borem! Sust nide. Boa noite”, ani tinnem rumantli bizli paloili. Khalok gup zalo. Bhailean pavsachi xirxiri zhoddtali. Kiri-kiri korit rat-kiddio roddtaleo ani pois ravun-ravun sunneancheo bobo aikunk yetaleo. Zoglavmnne marun ghoddghoddeacho avaz ietalo. Eka vellar ghoddghoddeacho avaz matso voddlean ailo tedna Lapitt baile islean portolo ani xant moneaponnachem vattoront bigoddlem. “Kitem sonspotta?” Lapittache bailen vicharlem. “Parking korunk svatt sodtalom.” “Nokoi tum? He dis mhagele No Parking Zone –ache mhunn?” Lino B. Dourado
Re: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'PursuingPeople's Dreams
Dear Venantius, I know my weaknesses. And most of all I know I am not infallible. When I make a genueine mistake, I like to apologize for it in the understanding that the same mistake will not be repeated. This is important especially (as I have said earlier) there is a new (political) robe to be stitched for our dear mother Goa and we, the ones who have the needles in hand to do just that, cannot afford to have boot-lickers in the assembly line. Thank you for you appreciative note floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'PursuingPeople's Dreams Dear Floriano, A superb and conscientious post. Well said.. venantius From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People'sDreams (The only response I was getting from Prof. Kamat was Yes, yes and yes)
[Goanet] Scholarship Programme for Diaspora Children ( SPDC-2009) for the children of PIOs / NRIs
PRESS RELEASE The Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs, Government of India has announced the Scholarship Programme for Diaspora Children ( SPDC-2009) for the children of PIOs / NRIs to pursue undergraduate courses in several disciplines in India. The educational Consultants India Limited (Ed. CIL), A Government of India Enterprise, has been designated as the Nodal Agency for implementation of the SPDC. The following are the highlights of the SPDC-2009: 100 scholarships are being offered for undergraduate courses in several disciplines including Engineering / Architecture/Technology, Humanities/Liberal Arts, Commerce, Management - BBA/BBM, journalism, Hotel Management, Agriculture/animal Husbandry, sciences, Law, etc. The programme is open only to PIOs/NRIs from the specified 40 countries, including Kuwait, having a larger concentration of Indian Diaspora. 50% of the scholarship would be reserved for PIOs. However, in the event of non-availability of suitable PIO candidates, the unfilled slots could be assigned to NRI candidates. NRI candidates would be eligible for the grant of scholarship only if their total family income per month does not exceed an amount equivalent to US $2,250 (US dollars two thousand two hundred and fifty only) Children of NRIs should have pursued at least three years of education inclusive of 11th 12th or equivalent (not beyond), in a foreign country during the last sex years, and should have passed the qualifying examination abroad. The last date for receipt of duly filled-in application forms in the prescribed format by Ed.CIL is 9th September 2008. PIO/NRI students already studying in India on a self-financing basis or under any other arrangement will not be eligible under this scheme, which is open only for fresh admissions in the first semester/year of undergraduate courses. Candidates would be selected on the basis of a common entrance test to be conducted by Ed.CIL on 26th October 2008 in Kuwait by the Embassy of India, Kuwait. Exact timings would be intimated by Ed.CIL. The candidates would also have to fulfill all the criteria prescribed for the purpose. The amount of scholarship admissible would be 75% of the Institutional Economic Cost (IEC) or US $3,600 (US dollars three thousand six hundred), whichever is less. IEC includes Tuition fee, Hostel fee and other institutional charges. The announcement details, guidelines and the application form can be downloaded from the Ed.CIL websites www.edcil.co.in; and www.educationindia4u.nic.in.
Re: [Goanet] Fodrina
Fodrina is just Mr. Barad's way of expressing his contempt to names like Celina and Katrina. I think it offers a mirror to the scorn and hatred in his heart. Tony Message: 3 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:54:10 +0300 From: Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina, Fodrina? To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Wow..Fodrina...a new name? Can anyone tell me if its Indian/Italian/English name? eddie - Original Message - From: Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina? ** Tony Martin English Teacher, Freelance Writer and Author Dubai, UAE Cell: 050-1460524 *
Re: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina, Fodrina?
Dear Eddie. Allow me to answe this one. Fodri, as we know, is slang in Konkani for vagina as in Fodri-chya (of the / from the vagina); and would count as Indian. On occasion a term of endearment among men in bars; the use of which, could result in being blessed by a direct bottle hit on the head. Fodrina, would be classed as a diminutive, and this is sadly understandable, since many men for reasons including misogyny, get off by infantalizing and diminishing the divine in the feminine by interjecting a scalar aspect onto women's genitalia. Having said that, perhaps there is one who goes by that name. If true, then more power to her. There are slang words galore for the same in Italian and English. Other than the common na ending, in Italian, the term for porto vaginalis is, la vagina. In Medieval Latin, a metaphor for coitus in the vulgar sense, was the verb-phrase Fodiam digito -- an euphemism from the semantic field -- to dig or to excavate = fodiam. In regular Latin to dig is FODERE, and also escavare (to excavate). When used in an altered sense it meant to prick or prod. Among others terms used broadly, including orificium, uulua = womb, etc. is one -- fundus, meaning the bottom or base of anything, including a farm (essentially leading to the idea of ploughing), and estate (suggesting inhabiting it). In Hindi, to dig would translate as khodna OR khudwana; in Marathi khodne, and in Sanskrit khanu or utkhanu. The Latin words are from The Latin Sexual Vocabulary by J. N . Adams, John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore. Some of the meanings are from Cassell's Latin English Dictionary. venantius From: Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina, Fodrina? Wow..Fodrina...a new name? Can anyone tell me if its Indian/Italian/English name? eddie
[Goanet] Game theory (contd)
In our series on playing with the Bangalore analogue to get Mopa right, here is a telling comment in TOI (Blr) which we may need to pay heed to. In an article Will [Infosys mentor] Murthy come back on board of BIAL? it says 'Murthy was on the board when the company had a different standing. Forcefully shutting down HAL airport for commercial operations, **to open one which has nothing international about it**, has irked the public, and Murthy may not want to be associated with it, said sources.' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Will_Murthy_come_back_on_board_of_ BIAL/rssarticleshow/3319744.cms The bit about opening an airport which has nothing international about it could be hype as far as Blr is concerned but it could well be the story at Mopa. We have already observed that chartered flights to Goa may not be more than a handful a day that too only during the season. The scheduled international flights are sporadic and mainly with the PSU carrier(s) flying to Gulf (which are on again and off again from what we can tell). Then there is the recent hearsay about diverting international flights from Mumbai to Mopa. Which would these be if they are to carry only flyers who want to travel to/from Goa? It is ridiculous to plan for an international airport off the bat at Mopa. It can only grow into one over a decade or two. Will this ever get into the heads of our bumble ministers and the soon to be appointed Mopa airport steering committee?
[Goanet] Daily Grook #176
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[Goanet] Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'PursuingPeople's Dreams
Floriano writes: Dear Venantius, I know my weaknesses. And most of all I know I am not infallible. When I make a genueine mistake, I like to apologize for it in the understanding that the same mistake will not be repeated. Floriano I appreciate your post, and your magnanimity of heart in apologizing publicly. I know it is not easy, in fact, very painful to admit that one has wronged. But that alone will make you learn or else one will go like an idiot running around in circles, and living in a fool's paradise. Hats off to you! I think it is this trait that is essential in the end in our public life. You might be the greatest espouser of any cause, but if you dont want to be accountable to anyone but just yourself, you are zilch. Those who have worked in teams world over in their professional life or in other endeavours know this dictum well. And this in the end is going to be an essence of whether we produce Hitlers or whether we produce democrats. Thanks again for your post. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
Dear Eugene I am disappointed by your Notes from the Goan Convention posts. They are vinegar posts. So much hard work, goodwill, positive accomplishments all from very fine people in the Toronto Goan community and you have overlooked that, instead we are presented negatives. I know from personal experience how difficult and time-consuming these ventures are to undertake and pull-off. Goans must be encouraging and grateful. In the near future, I will post a write-up from one of the attendees. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Young Jesuit Saints
Analyzing hagiographies (biographies and literal writings of holy people) is great and exquisitely intriguing in working out or interpret the thinking / machinations at work during that period in time. Rather than crediting the socio-political clout of the Jesuits or the Spanish vis-a-vis Portuguese, which allegedly led to sainthood for more Spanish compared to Portuguese, the more relevant question is: How many Portuguese formed religious orders like the Spanish Loyola and Xavier, (founders of the Jesuits); Teresa of Avila and John the Cross (founders of the Discalced Carmelites), Dominic (founder of the Dominicans) etc.? If there was a marked difference between the number of Spanish to Portuguese-based religious orders, the next question is why? (Not many Goans may know, but there is a vibrant branch of the Discalced Carmelites (men and women) in Goa and India. Any religion honoring individuals as 'saints' is no different from other scientific fields which honors those who made a major contribution to the particular field; or fundamentally inspired others; or shifted the line of thinking leading to a paradigm shift in perspective. Some of the perspectives may not stand the test of time. Yet, regard is given to those who dedicated their life for a cause. The fact that their work may not stand the test of time is not a discredit. It is amazing how a few decades later, the same thinking may come full circle, with the work (and the individual's fame) resurrected once again. As in many scientific fields, as we know more and more about less and less, we loose sight of the important issues. Led to its logical conclusion, one ends up knowing everything about nothing. In medicine, the issue is how does any information presented practically benefit CURRENT practice (patient care). Or is what is being presented 'basic scientific research', which at least theoretically may be useful at a later date? When listening to the history of medicine, we are often feted with useful anecdotes; which served as the catalysts for stumbling on the right thing. Anything else is considered gossip on some of the fore-runners of the field, who are not around to defend themselves. Regards, GL -- Teotonio R. de Souza wrote: But one major factor in obtaining the beatification / canonization of its members by the Society of Jesus depended on its socio-political clout. It is not a surprise that while Portugal got its first Jesuit canonized only in the mid 20th century (St. Britto martyred in India), Spain could get 3 of its saints canonized on the same day and year: Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier and Theresa of Avila!
Re: [Goanet] Goa Bachao Abhiyan is far from over
--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, if my reply offended you. It was not intended. Dear Miguel, no apology needed but graciously accepted. You have respect and credibility as a gentleman whose heart bleeds for Goa. Keep fighting for Goa, do not get distracted from the enormous task at hand. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Betrayal by GBA and the Task Force farce
I hold entirely with yoy, Soter. Rajan's dedicated, selfless, clear exposure of the relentless abuse of every aspect of values in Goa has indubitably ctalysticized Goan 'sussegadne'. Most copious cheers to you, dear Rajan... Reboni Saha's views merit be review. Alfred de Tavares, Stockholm, 2008-08-03 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:33:07 +0530 Subject: [Goanet] Betrayal by GBA and the Task Force farce Reboni Saha's reaction to Rajan's criticism of GBA and labelling him as an arm chair critic is ridiculous. If he was an arm chair critic he could have spent his short stint in Goa just socialising with friends and relatives and given some more quality time to his aging father. But Rajan chose to leave home early and return late, sometimes after 2 days just to capture the beautiful moments of Goa which he might not see when he returns and along with it the horrifying glimpses of ugly concrete creations and mining for which many engineers, architects and contractors who claim to save Goa are responsible. Rajan's 'Rape of Goa' was definitely his contribution to creating awareness and goans who have viewed it have had been aroused to anger. That is what even lead Jason Keith from the up-market Dona Paula to accuse Rajan of inciting violence. Rajan has defintely not kept information like the excel files on zoning changes and maps from the public. He shared whatever information he gathered with the people and some of it is being reproduced in the newspapers these days. Rajan has been an inspiration to many and got them doing something for Goa, but definitely not with GBA. I definitely salute Rajan the true Goenkar for his contribution in the struggle to save Goa. -soter d'souza _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE
Re: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina, Fodrina?
Edited copy; a word possibly offensive to delicate ears has been substituted. AT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: goanet@lists.goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina, Fodrina?Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 00:53:10 +0200 Deivation...originetnicity of Fodrina? Well it is a diminutive of 'fodri' a whore in Konkni. A most detested pejorative in K. is 'fodrechea' (son-of a bitch) that hurled atsomeone, in anger, often leads to ferocious fisticuffs in the villagesquare, most probably the bar. 'Fodri' is derived from 'fudi/Fude or fodó', the femenine sexual organ. The last means that theorgan is publicly marketed for monetary gain or currying favours á là Mata Hari. so on a whole expressive chain of biographical detail can be obtained byeither of the protagonists of the ongoing bar-squable that becomes far more hurting lasting than the relatively harmless blows...kicks they try to aim at eachother. Am I right in my etymology dear Cecil? Alfred de T From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:54:10 +0300 Subject: Re: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina, Fodrina? Wow..Fodrina...a new name? Can anyone tell me if its Indian/Italian/English name? eddie - Original Message - From: 'Dr. U. G. Barad' [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina? Dear Goanet members, Why waist your time on Celina, Katrina, Fodrina, etc.? When Our Constitution says, as per interpretation of JC - I will sell my property in Goa to highest bidder - (check archives) every Indian is free to buy and settle in any part of India? If still one is interest in Celina, Katrina, Fodrina ,rope them in Goa, under threat, and make one BIG SHOW in Goa, with DIGU as chief guest and yet make money to enjoy your life style which you are STILL struggling to achieve. OR else quite Goa as is appealed by Elizabeth Carvalho (Selma). Goa is finished..gone...there is nothing left to say WE GOANS These days even GBA is seen to be FOOLING Goans . Goans who gave their moral support in Creating GBA spending own money, time and dedication. Today GBA is equally fooling themselves..their own CREAM members...Factually , Today NO ONE respects GBA including their Core members!! If they are surprised of this statement ...Let them give a call to SAVE GOA UNIVERSITY and let's see how many Goans come / respond to GBA's call. I challenge. Having said this, there is nothing left to say WE GOANS ... I thought we had only one thing left .. That's education system in Goa. Right this time it's also SOLD OUT RIGHT..by 1 politician and 2 so called Intellectuals... Read on the debate about converting (I hope it's not religious conversion!) Goa University to Central Goa University under command of SONIA!!! Are we going to let this happen... If Goans have no patience to think deeply let's donate 4000 Crores worth of Goa University to SONIA to stabilize the chair of DIGU.. the great? If you don't wan to see this happening let's devote out time, efforts and our little contribution to the cause of saving our POSTERITY at least from EDUCATION POINT VIEW? My next appeal on this issue will follow very shortly.. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=wlmailtagline
[Goanet] Re What's the problem with Celina, Katrina,?
I am sorrie that this msg went to goanet. It was meant for another group and copy to moderator My previous msg n this msg were sent togather hever this msg appeard today. Regret the inconvinience. :) Edward Verdes - Original Message - From: Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina, ? Wowa new name? Can anyone tell me if its Indian/Italian/English name? eddie
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times)
To Goanet - George Pinto writes: Wasn't Rajan Parrikar the first to call for Oscar Rebello's resignation from the GBA a few months ago? Guilty as charged. I aim to please and offend, not necessarily in that order :-) Is Rajan a man ahead of his times? No. Right now I am precisely 12.5 hours behind. Regards, r
[Goanet] Goans in Ethiopia?
Reference FN's recent reply to Armando - I too would be interested to know the year as I could well ask my historian friend(Cynthia Salvadori) to see if she can help. She has travelled extensively in Africa and is currently in Ethiopia from where she keeps in regular touch with me. Mervyn(Maciel)
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
Dear Santosh et al, Of late I have refrained from posting on Goanet. It has become a forum to ruin people's reputations. The newspapers said that Oscar Rebello resigned on account of the hate-campaign started against him on the internet. The internet has become a powerful yet vicious tool. selma --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 3:42 AM I too was disappointed by the critique referred to by George, and also by the infighting that is going on between all the Goan fighters and organizations. It is hard to understand why people rely so much on pure gossip, misunderstanding and personal bias. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 8/2/08, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Eugene I am disappointed by your Notes from the Goan Convention posts. They are vinegar posts. So much hard work, goodwill, positive accomplishments all from very fine people in the Toronto Goan community and you have overlooked that, instead we are presented negatives. I know from personal experience how difficult and time-consuming these ventures are to undertake and pull-off. Goans must be encouraging and grateful. In the near future, I will post a write-up from one of the attendees.
[Goanet] Goans in Eritrea
Reference my post in Issue 957. For Goans in Ethiopia please read Goans in Eritrea Apologies for the slip up! Mervyn M.
Re: [Goanet] Jesuit Saints
Dear Gilbert It is easy to question others, it is more difficult to give one's own answers! Giving answers or making statements requires research and hard work. Will you try in future to change your style of sending posts? Let us have some of your *well-substantiated* views, instead of seeking to gain points by raising doubts about what others have worked on and shared. Message: 5 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:08:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Young Jesuit Saints To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Analyzing hagiographies (biographies and literal writings of holy people) is great and exquisitely intriguing in working out or interpret the thinking / machinations at work during that period in time.? ? Rather than crediting the socio-political clout of the Jesuits or the Spanish vis-a-vis Portuguese, which allegedly led to sainthood for more Spanish compared to Portuguese, the more relevant question is: How many Portuguese formed religious orders like the Spanish Loyola and Xavier, (founders of the Jesuits); Teresa of Avila and John the Cross (founders of the Discalced Carmelites), Dominic (founder of the Dominicans)?etc.?? If there was a marked difference between the number of Spanish to Portuguese-based religious orders, the next question is why? (Not many Goans may know, but there is a vibrant branch of the Discalced Carmelites (men and women)?in Goa and India.
[Goanet] Overseas Goans Are Null and Void
Roland said:- We can do nothing against the builders or the land grabs or the political, civic and police mismanagement. All that is too big for us. We can sit in our drawing rooms, dance at our social get-togethers, shop for our Lexuses and talk of downsizing from large home to smaller ones. Mostly for the large profits or perhaps the weary bones that no longer permit us to mow the lawn or plow the snow. We can pretend our conventions make a difference. They do zilch of that sort at all. --- Hi, We can do nothing about this socio-economic disease world wide. Look at UK, the UN are now saying that the people of UK should be more tolerant towards others here. Question is, are other countries doing the same, can we build churches in Saudi Arabia? is what the news papers in UK are asking. ED. __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina,Fodrina?
Wow indeed, This is a classic. To understand that our moderators are after all humans and not robots. To have pulled 'one up' on our super vigilant moderators is an achievement in itself. And, to have spotted it by Eddie is another. ED. -- Subject: Re: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina, Fodrina? Wow..Fodrina...a new name? Can anyone tell me if its Indian/Italian/English name? eddie __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
Re: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People'sDreams
Dear Miguel, Thank you for the B/wishes. YOur post much appreciated. But remember one thing. CI is and remain purely a Citizen's Initiative. Godfrey or you or someone else can take charge of being the convenor of the TCP amendment case, or the Canacona Murder case or The Citizens' Initiative must roll on. Rest of the nitty-gritty details are un-important. Thanks, floriano Ex CI convenor - Original Message - From: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:07 AM Subject: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People'sDreams Dear Floriano, Belated birthday wishes to you. No sweat about the Moderator of the Citizens' Initiative. He is a devil we know. Thank you for announcing in your vote of thanks the other devils whom we did not know earlier. The debate exposed the rest. I do hope the excess of expenditure over income/collection was underwritten by IITian S. Kamat and Dr. U.G. Barad who motivated you. One played truant, the other used the platform. I hope they paid the bill for the hall and sound system. Dr. Ajit Shirodkar, with a Ph.D. from Purdue University, was perhaps the best speaker of that evening. Given a chance, Dr. Narayan Desai also makes a good speaker. He was wasted as a surprise assistant to Mr. M.S. Kamat. Dr. Narayan Desai is a Ph. D. in Political Science and a great man to be with. Dr. Shirodkar is , of course, a class apart. Please do not used the terms educated and enlightened for boot-lickers who will praise even a toad and call him a prince . if paid sufficiently to do that. They are a blot on the human race. Some of these folks are literate and in possession of degrees, just that. Education should be ABC ...Attitudenal and Behavioural Change. You have stated the reasons why you had MSK as Moderator, you kept your promise not to mix Goa SuRaj Party with the CI. That is enough for me to do what I promised to support the initiative by my presence and action. No apologies needed to me from you. Life is a learning experience. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:43:42 +0530 From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People'sDreams Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I opened-up today's Herald and the Navhind Times, Mauvin Godinho fell out on my lap, courtesy Prof. M.S. Kamat. I have just called up Prof. M.S. Kamat at his Porvorim residence (0832)2411291 Well sir, I find it difficult to understand how you educated and enlightened people can stoop so low as to fall at the feet of these chors. And you shamelessly write about it? My million apologies to Sam, Jose Colaco, Miguel Braganza et al who were worried about Professor M.S. Kamat having been chosen by Floriano Lobo. And Miguel was right in suggesting other names of which Mr. Ajit Shirodkar could have been the man for the first of its kind 'CI' . Even then, as a slim justification for my going thro' with my original decision, I went by the fact that 'moderating' an academic debate had nothing to do with the character of a person, especially when the decision had been taken and public announcements made. Now I know better. And we say that Goa is being looted by our politicians. Nay. We must now say that Goa has been allowed to be looted by people who pose as high principled guardians of our society, whether they are inside or outside the walls of religious institutions, but who are either rotten to the core or have a back-bone made of jelly who will only look for their continuation in service rather than retaliate as a principle of justice. I do hope that I shall be FORGIVEN in respect of having M.S. Kamat moderate the CI debate. floriano goasuraj -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/696 - Release Date: 7/31/2008 12:00 AM
Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home To: quot;Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!quot; lt;goanet@lists.goanet.orggt; Message-ID: lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 nbsp; Mario Goveia wrote: gt;gt; Mervyn wrote: gt;gt; Lastly, I would like to know what projects you support gt;gt; in Goa.? Do they need more funding? gt; gt; Mario responds: gt; Thanks, but no thanks, Mervyn.? The people I tend to gt; work with do so without publicizing what they do and gt; who they do it with.? ? ? ? Mario, The question, above,?is a simple one. You?either did not understand it or tried to evade it. ? I have yet to find a single charitable project that has all the funding it requires. ? Mervyn3.0 LISTEN GUYS! SEND ME THE MONEY SINCE YOU SEEM TO HAVE TOO MUCH OF IT. SEND IT IN LARGE BILLS! I CAN BE A REALLY GOOD CHARITABLE PROJECT! ;-)) Louise
Re: [Goanet] When Baga was 'bridge-less'
I remember that time. I was in the Gulf and had come down to my beloved Goa on a long holiday. We had left in two cars from Benaulim which had packed my wife, I and a few of my relatives on a trip to Calangute. The Tourist Hotel was rather new and just off the beach. Tito's Bar was just gaining prominence. I asked about the island just off the beach and they told me it was Baga. My wife refused to wade across and she didn't want to climb the hill so I took a couple of my cousins and walked across the water. It was low tide and the water barely reached our knees. During high tide I was told one needed a canoe to cross, like the one in Fred's picture. At the Baga end we had to take a winding trail across the hill until we came to a cove. That was Baga beach and the Jesuit retreat house was on the very top of the hill. We climbed to it and went inside. The hall was like a Buddhist temple. The Jesuits were already into prayer and Indian style meditation in those days and I had a feeling of entering a Hindu temple sanctum sanctorum. There were pillows laid on the floor along the walls and the scene also resembled a Congress party deliberation where you have fat, bellied Congressmen sitting on their haunches and talking about matters of state. When we returned to the Baga beach on the lower level, there were a few young Hippie Caucasian couples in all sorts of languorous positions, fully nude. We decided to sit and watch the fun, peeping toms if you will. We were watching one pretty woman washing some vessels in the sea water, her breasts heaving with every scrub. She used the grains of sand as one would use soap and was doing a good job of it. Suddenly one couple came right in our line of view and started performing some kind of funny movement. Basically, he was standing right behind her and rubbing himself on her behind. I was wondering what kind of foreplay that was and would have liked to see what came at the end of it. But becoming conscious of a prude female cousin with us, I decided to use discretion and pretended to be scandalized, suggesting we return to the Calangute side before low tide could ebb. Baga was like a bit of paradise at that time. The sands were clean, the hillside unblemished and except for the retreat house, there were no cement footprints. It was Goa at it's most pristine and the hippies knew it before we could appreciate it. Fredreick, a long journey it definitely has been. For yourself, myself and for Baga. Wonder what it is like now. Roland. Toronto 416-453-3371 On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Frederick Noronha [फ़रेदरिक नोरोनया] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 25 years ago, when starting off in journalism, this was one of the first photographs of mine that got published. It was in the Herald, sometime after October 1983. By some chance, it surfaced amidst the clutter of paper on my table. It has been a long journey … http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com/
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times)
The Fate of the GBA is representative of any group in Goa! too many people pulling in different directions not working for the good of all or the land or whatever political intereference through 'chamchas' is the way it functions so that anything that is for the good of those who are generally law abiding slowly gets drawn in as rouges and rascals as they are forced to adopt jungle tactics! to survive and make sure commendable work done by the genuinely dedicated do not go down the drain! mini self made power structures! have become the order of the day and money is the only speaker- its an Indian disease in our age division is our forte and that is one of the reasons we were under foreign rule for thousands of years and maybe still are! covertly who knows?? with the socalled regional parties and those hung up on identity add to the chaos. I have personally experienced this in NGO work in Goa where I tried to do my best but was discredited with false allegations and fabrications to denigrate whatever i did in the most humiliating manner. Less said the better-I go by the dictum now every dog has its day! so be it. All luck to the GBA ...may it achieve what it strted out on though it is doubtful this is a hijacking allright. Anita mathew. On 8/3/08, Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2008 Toronto International Goan Convention Theme: Goan Identity And Networking Today. http://2008goanconvention.com/index.php Mario Miranda Festival, July 24-26, 2008 Old GMC Building http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-July/077732.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA By A Staff Reporter [EMAIL PROTECTED] PANJIM: Disparate forces with the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA) have finally forced the resignation of its convenor Oscar Rebello. Two other prominent members of the GBA, Ritu Prasad and Patricia Pinto, who represented Rebello in the Task Force to prepare the draft Regional Plan 2021, have also decided to stay away from the panel henceforth. I can understand people from outside the GBA criticizing me, said a frustrated Rebello, but when your own people start labelling you a sell-out, it is better to resign. The resignation is a fallout over differences over the draft Regional Plan with some groups arguing that the GBA should pull out from the Task Force. Trouble in the GBA came to the fore a few months ago when Rebello was on a foreign trip and co-convenor Sabina Martins was coerced into signing a letter stating that the GBA rejects the methodology adopted by the Task Force to formulate a Regional Plan. The letter was leaked to the Press. Thereafter, a vicious campaign was launched on the Internet to discredit Rebello. I think the GBA has lost faith in me and I should resign, Rebello said. Part of the problem lies with the variety of interests in the GBA with each group pursuing individual agendas and forgetting the larger picture, sources said. One group wanted the ban on casinos to be included in the regional plan, another wanted the entire process to be restarted because it believed all the data provided by the government was manipulated. Yet another wanted the spirit of the 73rd and 74th amendment to be included in the plan. Another demand was that members of the Task Force should not sign the document until the Town and Country Plannin gAct is rescinded ... the list is endless. How long are we going to wait for the government to change the laws? asked Dr Rebello. If people want to change government policy, then they should get elected to do it, not through the back door. Added to his was the complication caused by the rising demand by gram sabhas across the state for a blanket ban on mega projects, sources said. When I suggested that we take a stand on mega projects, it was rejected, said Dr Rebello. Explaining the other issues, he said, the Regional Plan is being held back only because of the 73rd and 74th amendment. There is no precedent in the rest of India, as far as provisions pertaining to planning. We asked the core committee to produce a document on this issue so that we could take it to the Task Force, nobody responded, Dr Rebello said. So on the one hand, you have GBA members insisting that the spirit of these two amendments be included, on the other you have a situation where no one is willing to say how this can be accomplished. The problem faced by those who represented the GBA on the Task Force -- Rebello, Ritu Prasad and Patricia Pinto -- was that the disparate forces wanted them to behave as messengers between the GBA and the Task Force instead of active participant. Everything has changed so much, that I can no longer articulate the concerns of the GBA, lamented Rebello. The doctor took exception to the vicious campaign launched against him by Internet-savvy members of the GBA. They have tried to
[Goanet] Goa in a different milieu
People are complaining here about 'development' and 'dilliwallahs' ; Looks like this is not a problem just limited to Goa but to tourist places across the country. Below is a nice article in Outlook on Kumaon by Ira Pande. Interesting, how they are facing a problem similar to Goa. http://www.outlookindia.com/diary.asp?fodname=20080811 === A Creeping Sickness Every summer, the hills call out to all of us NRKs (non-resident Kumaonis) to come to UK (Uttarakhand to you desis). This year, we took the scenic Kaladhungi route past Jim Corbetts terai home and lush green woods to arrive at Nainital and the mother of all traffic jams. This once-lovely hill station is now an air-conditioned version of Karol Bagh, so if you wish to walk in the hills my advice is: stay away from this honking-parping mess. But why blame Nainital alone? Simla, Mussoorie, Darjeeling, Kodaikanal, Ootyall of them are gasping for air. Municipal services have broken down completely, leading to chronic water shortages, stinking gutters and choked drains. Why we never thought of developing other hill stations after the Brits left is a mystery. The cheery red tin roofs that once dotted verdant hillsides have been replaced by flat (and totally unsuitable) cement lintels and high-rise apartments, where wet laundry is perpetually hung out to dry. Wherever we went: Almora, Ranikhet, Bhowali, Bhimtal or even in off-the-track pilgrim towns that were sleepy villages until a few years ago, traditional mud and wood houses are being replaced with cement boxes. These teeter dangerously on hillsides and the next time an earthquake hits the region, I shudder to think how many may perish. - Dump The Philistines Kumaons spectacular view, or bhew, as we Paharis pronounce it, was what once drew the Brits to our hills, which have the Himalayas studded on their horizons like tiaras. Deodar and oak, pine and chestnut, to say nothing of the apple, peach, apricot, pear and walnut trees that grew abundantly made Kumaon a favoured orchard country. But once these pretty estates passed into the hands of desi developers, notorious all over the hills as the bhoo maphia (land mafia), the trees were forgotten along with the bhew. In Mukteshwar, I bumped into a group of gum-chewing youngsters, wearing baseball caps and low-slung jeans. Aunty, do you know of a good fast food joint around here? one of them asked me. Why be in this most scenic spot if you crave burgers and French fries, I wanted to reply. I shook my head. S***t, yaar, one of them said as they loped off, what a dump! I almost hurled a rock at their retreating posteriors. How dare they call such a hallowed place a dump! - Caravan Of The Exalted The unique charm of Kumaon was best understood by the Brits, who set up schools, orchards and dak bungalows that command the best views. The names of Corbett and Ramsay, a legendary commissioner of Kumaon, are still taken with awe. Anyone who has read Corbett cannot fail to appreciate how deeply he loved this enchanted land that casts a spell on all who come here looking for something more than burgers. Take a place like Almora: Sir Ronald Ross was born here in 1857; Uma Thurman too. Among its past residents were the dancer Uday Shankar, the Swedish monk Sunyata Sorensen, the mystic agricultural scientist Boshi Sen, the gentle Tibetan Govinda Lama and painters such as Earl Brewster and Elizabeth Brunner. Swami Vivekananda came here, as did Tagore and Nehru, who wrote furiously while incarcerated in Almoras pretty jail. The scenic Kasar Devi ridge has always been a sort of bohemian quarter, aptly named Cranks Ridge, that now has its own website. During the 60s and 70s, Harvards acid guru Timothy Leary came here, a wave of flower children followed. Other cranks include R.D. Laing, Mick Jagger, Alan Ginsberg and God knows how many incognito celebs. To appreciate the Almora brand of eccentricity you have to understand that those who value solitude, nature and contemplation, in that order, gravitate here and then stay on. There are still others who come here to heal their spirits: cases of burnout and stress. I could take names of some really brilliant people who still live here, but that would not be fair as notoriety is the last thing they want. But not everyone in Almora is a blessed soul, I must add quickly. Take a walk down its atmospheric Lala Bazaar and encounter the cussed and lazy Pahari shopkeeper, more interested in playing chess than selling his wares. Gurranis blackboard is another institution: a sort of wall magazine for scribbling gossip and news. Then there are those who have surrendered to drink and despair. Others have declared themselves mad and so escaped the burdens of the not-mad. -- Arise, Mr Nobody The most amusing character I met at a village a few years ago was a young man who informed me that he was a dubbul MA in Ingliss and Hindi
[Goanet] great going!
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[Goanet] Contributions to Goa
To Goanet - The Navhind Times has been giving us weekly rations of contributions made by Kannadigas, Oriyas, Keralites, Dilliwallahs, Punjabis, Maithils, Nagas, Kashmiris, Marathas, Bongs, and so on and so forth. Be very grateful, Goenkara. Where would you be without these contributions from generous bhaile? Bhaile dregs (ooops) who have been brought in by our politicians and businessmen right from 1961 and given lucrative appointments in Goa have unmistakably made handsome contributions - to their personal bank accounts. I chortled when I saw a picture of one such contributor known to have sucked a certain govt dept bone dry when he was in the saddle. The whole problem lies in the fact that the low-grade Goenkar to match the low-grade ore that we are exporting does not exist. That is why we are impelled to force all this gunk from outside to relinquish life in their shining El Paradisos and flow into Goa. This salt of the earth, who has sacrificed so much by coming here in the first place, is then further hobbled with the added burden of contributing. Look at the bhaile pissants we have got for editors, for instance. Each one, potential Nobel material: Rajan Narayan, Arun Sinha, Sujoy Gupta, Ashwin Tombat. Doesn't this premium line-up of doo-doo shovelers you have attracted make you feel proud, dear Goenkara? Warm regards, r
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
I too was disappointed by the critique referred to by George, and also by the infighting that is going on between all the Goan fighters and organizations. It is hard to understand why people rely so much on pure gossip, misunderstanding and personal bias. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 8/2/08, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Eugene I am disappointed by your Notes from the Goan Convention posts. They are vinegar posts. So much hard work, goodwill, positive accomplishments all from very fine people in the Toronto Goan community and you have overlooked that, instead we are presented negatives. I know from personal experience how difficult and time-consuming these ventures are to undertake and pull-off. Goans must be encouraging and grateful. In the near future, I will post a write-up from one of the attendees.
[Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times)
Dear George, Oscar Rebelo has surely NOT resigned because Rajan Parrikar asked for his resignation ... though both of them might have been students of Don Bosco High School, Panaji. No one in the GBA forced Oscar to resign. Like a government, he seems to have collapsed under the weight of his own inherent contradictions. We do not have any formal communication from him yet as to what made him resign when just two months ago he splashed the newspapers with a threat to GBA members to EXPEL him if they dared. What were the IMPELLING conditions now? Is it like SUICIDE before the final exam when the pressure of being unprepared forthe test gets to you where it hurts most? In my humble opinion, resignation from the GBA Convenership does NOT allow him to abdicate his responsibilities as a member of the TASK FORCE where he has been appointed by the GOVERNMENT OF GOA by a Gazette notification ... without consultation with the GBA. GBA Convenership and Task Force membership are TWO SEPARATE issues that one should NOT try to blur. Today, Oscar, Patricia and Ritu are all members of the GBA Core Group. If Oscar Rebelo has resigned form the Task Force is something Rajan Parrikar can find out, under RTI or otherwise. Task Force is a Government body under the TCP Act, 1974 accountable under RTI. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:17:07 -0700 (PDT) From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wasn't Rajan Parrikar the first to call for Oscar Rebello's resignation from the GBA a few months ago? Is Rajan a man ahead of his times? Regards, George --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PANJIM: Disparate forces with the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA) have finally forced the resignation of its convenor Oscar Rebello. Get an email ID as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
2008/8/3 Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Santosh et al, Of late I have refrained from posting on Goanet. It has become a forum to ruin people's reputations. The newspapers said that Oscar Rebello resigned on account of the hate-campaign started against him on the internet. The internet has become a powerful yet vicious tool. selma RESPONSE: Well what Rebello stated might be true but it was not here on Goanet, that his name and reputation was tarnished, by People from his own side! Quite the opposite, I got the distinct impression, warranted or not, that Mr. Braganza defended him on his forum on more than one occasion. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Selling Our Ancestral Home
2008/8/3 kaleon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mario, The question, above,?is a simple one. You?either did not understand it or tried to evade it. ? I have yet to find a single charitable project that has all the funding it requires. ? Mervyn3.0 LISTEN GUYS! SEND ME THE MONEY SINCE YOU SEEM TO HAVE TOO MUCH OF IT. SEND IT IN LARGE BILLS! I CAN BE A REALLY GOOD CHARITABLE PROJECT! ;-)) Louise RESPONSE: Dear Ms Louise, Only one person offered to help a charity; the other will no doubt state that it is no one's business to which charity he gives his large bills...certainly he will not throw his hat in the ring to support a charity publicly! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Goa Bachao Abhiyan is far from over
Dears, I am combining three threads unconnected to one another except for two points; 1. they concern GOA and its people and 2. they are exercises in HUMILITY and appreciation thereof. The Good News, or the Gospel, tell us: Whoever exalts himself will be debased and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. Luke 14:11, Luke 18:14, Matthew 23:12, 1 Petrer 5:5. Rarely is a verse repeated in the same gospel. This verse is. That is the good news. I have thanked and praised Floriano for admitting his mistake/oversight about the Goa University debate. So has Samir Kelekar. It feels nice that my own act of humility on the GBA debate has not gone unnoticed. I was right about the GBA, wrong about the snipe at George for raising issues, having misunderstood his intention due to my preoccupation with issues here. It is not a sin to be wrong. What is unforgiveable is to persist in saying it is right. I do hope the former Convener of the GBA has begun to realise that. There is a lot he can do, if he will agree not to repeat errors. He has been the public face of the GBA and a good one at that. The difficulty arises when he thinks the GBA must necessarily toe his line or else I go to the Press and resign and you face the music. The juke box does not always play your song . although it accepts your coin. There is no saint without a past and no sinner without a future. Those who are alive, always have a future .. and a hope. In our hands lies the future of Goa. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa Bachao Abhiyan is far from over Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Miguel, no apology needed, but graciously accepted. You have respect and credibility as a gentleman whose heart bleeds for Goa. Keep fighting for Goa, do not get distracted from the enormous task at hand. Regards, George --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, if my reply offended you. It was not intended. Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 00:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'PursuingPeople's Dreams Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Floriano writes: Dear Venantius, I know my weaknesses. And most of all I know I am not infallible. When I make a genuine mistake, I like to apologize for it in the understanding that the same mistake will not be repeated. Floriano I appreciate your post, and your magnanimity of heart in apologizing publicly. I know it is not easy, in fact, very painful to admit that one has wronged. But that alone will make you learn or else one will go like an idiot running around in circles, and living in a fool's paradise. Hats off to you! I think, in the end, it is this trait that is essential in our public life. You might be the greatest espouser of any cause, but if you don't want to be accountable to anyone but just yourself, you are zilch. Those who have worked in teams world over in their professional life or in other endeavours know this dictum well. And this in the end is going to be an essence of whether we produce Hitlers or whether we produce democrats. Thanks again for your post. regards, Samir -- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Eugene I am disappointed by your Notes from the Goan Convention posts. They are vinegar posts. So much hard work, goodwill, positive accomplishments all from very fine people in the Toronto Goan community and you have overlooked that, instead we are presented negatives. I know from personal experience how difficult and time-consuming these ventures are to undertake and pull-off. Goans must be encouraging and grateful. Regards, George -- Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/?wm=n/
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
Gabe, I think you're under-estimating Goanet's ability to set the agenda ... in ways both positive and negative! FN 2008/8/3 Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/8/3 Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Santosh et al, Of late I have refrained from posting on Goanet. It has become a forum to ruin people's reputations. The newspapers said that Oscar Rebello resigned on account of the hate-campaign started against him on the internet. The internet has become a powerful yet vicious tool. selma RESPONSE: Well what Rebello stated might be true but it was not here on Goanet, that his name and reputation was tarnished, by People from his own side! Quite the opposite, I got the distinct impression, warranted or not, that Mr. Braganza defended him on his forum on more than one occasion. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London. -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 16,000+ photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/
[Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA
George Pinto wrote: Wasn't Rajan Parrikar the first to call for Oscar Rebello's resignation from the GBA a few months ago? Is Rajan a man ahead of his times? Comment: Was Rajan a man ahead of his times or one of the campaigners who initiated the insidious campaign against Dr Oscar Rebello which has taken a toll on one of the best public faces who galvanised the people of Goa against corruption? The loss is not of Dr Oscar but goans. Rajan has accomplished his job and is back in the US (according to Samir).The others left behind have to bear the brunt. Another goan crab story to narrate to our grandchildren. Regards, Marshall --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By A Staff Reporter [EMAIL PROTECTED] PANJIM: Disparate forces with the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA) have finally forced the resignation of its convenor Oscar Rebello.
[Goanet] When Baga was 'bridge-less'
[Goanet] When Baga was 'bridge-less' thanks FN n Roland. Baga now has New Bridge http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2618833211/sizes/l/ This is where people used to cross during low tide (?) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2618832915/sizes/l/ This video captured from the other side of the bridge http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=xVux-m224jg Ealier, Baga had another bridge sort of enclosed bridge. the new one is built in it's place __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] : United We Stand
Hi all, I am writing this mail to share the sadness in my heart.Please do not tear it apart ,sentence by sentence ,word by word --Goanet style I am really distressed to read so much of naming ,blaming,and shaming different groups /individuals that are working for the good of Goa.Agreed that each group has its own ideals,aims and objectives ---but at present the underlying objective --to use the cliched phrase is to Save Goa.From whom and For whom ?It looks like we have to save Goa from Goans who pull each other down. I know how busy individuals are taking time off from hectic work schedules and giving of their time and resources to help in many ,many ways.There are committed individuals who are genuinely working tirelessely to make Goa a better place.There are many low profile individuals ,who in their respective villages are working to create awareness of social issues among the villagers and who are working for the collective good of Goa. The scathing criticism that comes through on Goanet -acts as such a dampener.-why do we have to be petty about things ?Let each one contribute what they can.Whether it is Goa Suraj party ,or Goan Solidarity for Change' or GOACAN or Goa Sudharop or the different NGOs or individuals , how does it matter?.Whether it is individuals or lone crusaders --let us look beyond externals and look at commitment and passion and zeal to correct wrong doings and evils that are plaguing Goa.Lets focus on what we can do for Goa , individually and collectively. Similarly I notice on this forum ,snide remarks to Goans who have migrated .Isnt it great that these NRI goans still care about Goa ?Why should we cast doubts on their integrity as people?I know many who have genuine concern and love for Goa. People must be careful of whatever callous remarks they fire off in cyber space.It hurts feelings and sentiments.There are many who are working for the cause of Goans without a hidden agenda.There are many unselfish individuals who giving of their precious time,energy and talents for the betterment of Goa. Melinda I am copying my letter to the Editor -- Herald ,which was published a few months ago ___ Dear editor, The need of the hour is for all the NGO's of Goa to unite. The need of the hour is to put aside ego,pride and self. Goans have woken up from their slumber and villagers are protesting about mining, mega projects etc.New NGOs are forming ,people are filled with zeal and passion and they genuinely want to do something for goans and Goa.However, we have the enemy watching ,waiting , silent ,ready to strike-- ready to divide and rule.Let us not be fooled by these masterminds.Let us not lull oursleves into a false sense of security. Goans must be alert and they must be armed and prepared to battle with these forces of evil.Each NGO genuinely has its own agenda, each ngo is definitely working for the good of the people -- but we must unite..In solidariity,in unity,in combined forces only can goan NGO's be powerful.Can you imagine the combined forces of all our NGO's? Goan ground will shatter and shake.Democracy will triumph and truly we will be forced to have a Government of the people, by the people and for the people.May God give people discernment and wisdom to make choices which will affect the future of Goa. Melinda Coutinho Powell, _
[Goanet] Orlando Dias
Hi there, Am looking for a School friend of mine Mr. Orlando Dias, used to live near Holy Spirit Church in Margao, Goa and was schooling at St. Joseph's Boys School, Bangalore and passed out in 1973. Need to get in touch with him urgently. Thanks. Agilio Pereira IT Consultant Abacus Systems UK Ltd. 31 Parkview Road, Croydon, Surrey. CR0 7DF. United Kingdom. *: +44 (0)208 662 9672 - Main Line *: +44 (0)7966 219 961 - Mobile *: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] *: http://www.abacus.uk.net/ http://www.abacus.uk.net P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
2008/8/3 Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gabe, I think you're under-estimating Goanet's ability to set the agenda ... in ways both positive and negative! FN RESPONSE: Thanks for the information, now we can truly say, indeed, the 'pen is mightier than the sword' -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Rajan Parrikar is way amiss viz Gurunath Kelekar
Rajan, That was most horrendous absolutely false innuendo. You don't know Gurunath Kelekar at all. His integrity, devotion/dedication to his mission is legend. The late Shanker Bandhari, my intimate friend most valuedmentor once said to me: 'If we had a few more of Gurunath Ravindra Kelekars among our active politicians it would make a world of diference'. He, who knew valued both as brothers, of course meant for the better. Had not Gurunath remained consistently steadfast to his tenets he coud have also, by now rolled in opulence and not walk the margs he so much cares for. You have crossed far beyond the permissiveness of decencyand gentlemanly debate and descended to the level of fetid gutters. Before this accrimony further degenerate into unerasable bitterness and enmity, the manly thing to do, promptly at this stage to Samir and Pappa. I assure you it will, in no way, detract from your inner or outer persona but rather enhance it. If you have some quixotic axe to grind with Samir that makes you squeamish to tender him the apology, do it to Gurunath-bab. He is large hearted enough to overlook your most unworthy and arrogant demeanour. Yours in SHAME Alfred de Tavares,Stockholm, 3-8-08,0046 70 295 4091 _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
Mightier? Deadlier? More lethal? More despicable? Take your pick. History will judge us, as Fidel Castro is wont to say :-) FN 2008/8/3 Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/8/3 Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gabe, I think you're under-estimating Goanet's ability to set the agenda ... in ways both positive and negative! FN RESPONSE: Thanks for the information, now we can truly say, indeed, the 'pen is mightier than the sword' -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 16,000+ photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/
[Goanet] IFRA-Kuwait Annual General Body Meeting / 08-08-08
IFRA Annual General Body Meeting The 27th annual general body meeting of the Indian Football Referees' Association (IFRA) - Kuwait will be held on Friday, August 8, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. at the Avanti Palace Restaurant, Salmiya - Kuwait. Please note the change in venue accordingly. All members are requested to be present. Indian Football Referees' Association (IFRA) Kuwait http://www.goa-world.com/goa/sports/ifra.htm - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com
Re: [Goanet] When Baga was 'bridge-less'
Hi Joe Thank you for the picture ( the video of the other side of the Baga Beach), but I wonder if you can help me with a query I have. I remember we were on a beach in the late 1950's, when we were near the sea shore, my mother went out to swim but got entangled in seaweed. This memory came to me a couple of years ago I spoke of this with relatives friends but they were unable to help me. The beach had some small hutments, not like today's beach huts, I am sure the one we were in was made of stone or similar, it was not of wood or covered cloth etc. I remember with my brother (4 years youger than me), my mother my father and uncle ( some other people) we were there for maybe two days on one sunny but very windy day we found ourselves in danger. My mother went out with my father uncle for a swim. The sea seemed so far away, the tide was out because I remember suddenly the water came up to us when we were sitting on the wet beach for quite some time, and within a few seconds, more water and then more until we felt frightened. People came to gather us up my other relatives / or friends of the family at the time, came to take us out in a hurry. My mother almost drowned, some jellly fish or similar AND seaweed trapped her so she could not get out of the sea. She got entangled I remember she was ill for a while afterwards. The memory fades but the fright of what happened brings this to my mind again, today. This was because your video of Baga beach looked low in tide I remember something similar, but much bigger Can you shed any light on where this may be. You have many videos (see them all) and your pictures of sea as well as river but can t get to grips where this may have happened. Are there areas on Goa Beaches where the sea suddenly comes back in without warning, or is this something common, or maybe at certain times of the year, there are places where it is dangerous to be for swimmers. I remember the days were VERY HOT, but the sea was out for such a long, long way at this tide going out. Then a while later it just gushed in so fast! If anyone else can help, I would be really happy to know of this. Thank you John Monteiro -- JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Goanet] When Baga was 'bridge-less' Baga now has New Bridge http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2618833211/sizes/l/ This is where people used to cross during low tide (?) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2618832915/sizes/l/ This video captured from the other side of the bridge http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=xVux-m224jg Ealier, Baga had another bridge sort of enclosed bridge. the new one is built in it's place -- Regards John Monteiro
[Goanet] Naval gazing
'Russian aircraft carrier could cost India USD 2 bn more' New Delhi, Aug 1 : India could end up paying a staggering USD 2 billion more for a Russian aircraft it has bought from Russia for USD 1.5 billion, a defence ministry source said Friday. http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-5162.html The cost of the sea trials have shot up considerably because of the sharp rise in fuel prices. This apart, much more cabling needs to be done than was originally estimated, the source pointed out. This apart, considerable work needs to be done on strengthening the deck since it will be **operating heavier aircraft than it was intended to deploy when it was originally built**, the source addedThe Vikramaditya, originally named Admiral Gorshkov, has been mired in controversy ever since the $1.5 billion deal for the ship was signed in 2004. Of this, a little over $900 million was to spent on refurbishing the ship and the balance on the MiG-29K Fulcrum fighters and the Kamov Ka-27 Helix-A and Ka-31 Helix-B reconnaissance and anti-submarine helicopters that would be deployed on boardIronically, the first of the MiG-29s will begin arriving later this year and **will be operated by the Indian Navy on land** from its air station at Dabolim in Goa. So the MiG29K's will be holding the fort at Dabolim till the carrier shows up on the Indian horizon in a few years! Smart thinking, right? The navy's priorities are very clear. GOG is no match at all in the brains department -- at least not yet.
Re: [Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention
2008/8/3 Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I too was disappointed by the critique referred to by George, and also by the infighting that is going on between all the Goan fighters and organizations. It is hard to understand why people rely so much on pure gossip, misunderstanding and personal bias. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 8/2/08, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Eugene I am disappointed by your Notes from the Goan Convention posts. They are vinegar posts. So much hard work, goodwill, positive accomplishments all from very fine people in the Toronto Goan community and you have overlooked that, instead we are presented negatives. I know from personal experience how difficult and time-consuming these ventures are to undertake and pull-off. Goans must be encouraging and grateful. In the near future, I will post a write-up from one of the attendees. RESPONSE: It is easy to take issue with what Eugene has written; we shall never learn lessons, if issues to be confronted, are not brought to the fore. The powers that be, whether in the Goa Govt. the various Goan organizations and what have you, would be more than happy that only praise is heaped. In fact, pronouncements have been made here in London as well'we do not want controversy' Which means please overlook the bad stuff . I believe the organizers of the convention and perhaps Kevin himself has suffered where it hurts - the bottom line - with him picking up the hefty tab; could be others as well. To add insult to injury, we now have all and sundry reading about it, here on Goanet. There has been no closing of ranks as yet and/or denials; perhaps what Eugene writes is true or perhaps no one wants to dignify Eugene's posts on the subject matter. I have met all the players mentioned and have nothing but respect for their undertakings. I am sure lessons have been learnt and I am also sure that those involved will not venture into any further undertakings, where Goans are concerned. Once bitten twice shy... I have been asked on several occasions to take over our local Goan Organization; I have told them, I need it like a bullet in the head...although I have stated, that I will always give a helping hand. What I would like to know is how the process takes place: Who decides where the next convention will take place and who decides who is qualified to take on the task. In short who decided that London is the next venue and who decided on the election of persons for the next committee. I would not want to sully the next convention, with my presence. One of the persons elected, to the next Convention, was a defaulter of the Goan Association U.K. and really should have been an ex member. We were gracious enough to allow the person to pay all the back dues. This came to light because the person had co-signed as sponsor, a new member, while being 'out of membership' when we rejected the new applicants membership, on this basis, the guy was peeved. I must hasten to add that, I then co-signed the membership request form. This ordinary member has been one of the most disruptive persons, ever to adorn a seat on the Board of Directors of the G.O.A U.K. Ltd. I trust and hope that the G.O.A. U.K Ltd has neither given a blank cheque nor, will they retrospecively agree to fund this cause. I was one of 17 founder members of the Association, having signed a letter of intent in the mid 60's; I am also a Life Member of the Association. The Association is already nursing a substantial paper loss on property, which we are to take possesion of, in the fall. This could be conservatively in the region of a 20 percent hit to our bottom line. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] : United We Stand
Thank you Melinda WELL SAID !! Occasionally, we hear a voice in the wilderness, and with your 'honeyed plea tone, you have empowered more people than some of the rages rants we are obliged to digest daily on this forum. There are many, many posters on this forum who after one or two posts decide never to contribute again, because they ARE mentally scarred feel torn apart by some the vicious less productive posters on this forum. I have no idea why they do it. Must be having a bad time, bad life or are just bad, !! I remember once reading on this forum that we ought to have TWO separate identities (Goanet split into two) on this forum. I did not agree at the time, as I felt everyone, no matter who they were had an equal right to express themselves on Goanet, but now I feel that I may have been to quick to judge this, perhaps we do need TWO Goanets, one for the intellectual frustrated and one for the rest of us. We need to have EVERYONE (no matter what race, creed or colour) who has Goan interests in their heart, come to this forum and express it. But on ONE GOANET, not two was what I had thought at the time. Some posters may find their contributions are not of interest to others (how do they know this if they dont try, because they feel threatened by the very small minority who sit in the front of the class demean, denegrate are always the first to put up their hands in the Goanet Classroom), so very little is posted by the majority, in case they are ridiculed by the bullies, so they do not post, this is wrong!!! SO WRONG This forum is not 'just for the intellectual nor for the drama queens', (its difficult sometimes to differentiate between them), nor for the politics only either, (though politics IS important does play a large part in all our lives), but its about the common man / woman. It's about getting YOUR FEELINGS on this forum. Everyone who reads here ought to contribute SOMETHING. You will be surprised how many people will find a thread that they can get into, if you will only contribute. No matter how small the subject, how distant it may be, or whatever. We have had people complaining discussing BUS CONDUCTORS ... now you would think WHAT ON EARTH HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH GOA. It turned out it had much to do with ATTITUDES, how women were treated, how girls older females were abused on buses etc. This has much to do with REAL LIVES, WHAT WHO is GOANET for? Its for everyone, but perhaps its now got a little too big (for some) of its contributors boots, and maybe we ought to divide, so that we CAN conquer sure sounds awful but I have to agree with Melinda you, there are some on this forum who have their (vile hate-filled) agendas do go against the grain, this is not to say that some posters are free to express themselves without comment from others, this is 'normal human behaviour'. There are many who may disagree with what you or I (or anyone else) has to say, but there are the few who spoil it for the majority. Who are these people that really feel that Goanet is for EVERYONE would like to say express their inner most feelings without being harranged or habitually spat it for saying what they feel. Yes, its all of us, we WANT advice, we want to give advice, we WANT to express without being vilified, we ALL want to be part of saving Goa, from destruction by all sorts of people who have alternative agendas of their own. There are supporters of all sides on this forum. Many who do not live in Goa are just as concerned, but unable to do anything physically, nor partake in events in Goa. This does not mean these people (99% of Goan or PIO origin) are any less important, just that they feel powerless but still HAVE AN INTEREST IN ALL THINGS GOAN. Or they would not contribute towards this forum. We have some who prefer to nit-pick on the smallest typo, or some who have had a bad day, but know they can feel at home by shouting (cyber-space style) at other Goans, knowing they will be understood.., perhaps that is how they feel, Goans having a go at other Goans... but loving them anyway as you do with family. But restraint is needed sometimes could be a better position to be in, the moral high ground most Goans feel on certain subjects (religion, politics etc) perhaps ought to be expressed on Goanet II, leaving the common 'plebs' at Goanet, or we will find that United we fall, but maybe Divided here in cyberspace we will Stand.. I really dont know the answer Melinda, its a trial, just as life is, but sometimes we have to put up with a lot, to get a little. And a little is better than nothing. And Goanet is everything! Maybe the moderators the owners of this forum could come up with a web page we can choose ... either .. Goanet (for
Re: [Goanet] Daily Grook #175
Betcha a Thousand Ruppiah to a Sterling Pound if I came up with something similar with a Catholic slant it would be rejected by the moderator, what's your bet? Anyone comment? Anyone want to bet? John Monteiro - Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAILY GROOK #175: RAMA DRAMA by Francis Rodrigues rama consulted da bhagvad gita, before he dated the baby-sita ! Regards John Monteiro
[Goanet] portuguese passport
John said:- As I said previously (refer to Gaonet archives again), my parents were European, I am European. I lived and breathed Goa for nearly 11 years of my life have only recently beenable to regain my breath, In one of my last posts on the subject of my 'parental heritage' I mentioned this more, and asked (at about the same time as others were discussing their parentage associated relatives, names / places etc) received a post saying that if my mother was an Ullah than she was from a very poor muslim background. WHAT ? -- Hi, Thanks for the above Info. Too late in the day but still helpful to clarify that pure and simply, you are an European. Because of your JOHN, I mistook you to be other than European, with a Christian name. OR a Bangladeshi with Ullah heritage. We at Guirim had a Portuguese boy as a boarder (for a short time), he was admitted so that he could learn to speak English, not the school syllabus. I now understand why you feel affiliated to people and the hills of Goa. Good luck and sorry to have given you grief. ED. __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People's Dreams
This is in reply to MIGuel BRAganza's message No 8, dated Sun, 3 August 2008 under subject tile as in above. In that message MIGuel writes - I do hope the excess of expenditure over income/collection was underwritten by IITian S. Kamat and Dr. U.G. Barad who motivated you. One played truant, the other used the platform. MIGuel, I think Rajan Parrikar's e-mails to Goanet on GBA have put you to work over time! Is it? OR else you being the MC at the ever first debate initiated by Citizens Initiative should have known each and every thing about the debate, including the sponsors before you could accept the MC position! Whoever, you preferred not to find out any details except accepting MC position for the debate. As for sponsorship, you can ask Floriano how much I contributed. I don't know about S. Kamat. If Floriano does not answer this question I will answer this question to Goanet. MIGuel it's no use firing bullets in air without any aim? Most importantly MIGuel, I don't require any of such platforms. Don't be surprised by this statement!! On the contrary I can comfortably say that you used that platform. For what I don't know nor I want to know. Yes I also know why you roped me in this mail! Are you surprised by me saying this? I's again a GBA issue. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Typos and semi-literates! + George Pinto and prostitution
Dear Goanet Members, Please allow me to respond to two messages (message No 5, dated Saturday, 2, August 2008 titled Typos and semi-literates! message No: 6, dated: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 under subject title George Pinto and prostitution) coming from same person. Anthony M. Barreto writes - Dear Gabe, I would class them as typos which are more due to oversight than lack of knowledge. They are different from illiterate expressions used by people with multiple titles appended to their name but cannot frame a decent sentence in English. I wonder how such people got their doctorates. And how they could be authors with books to their name is a mystery that would beat the biggest names in mystery thrillers. My response: What a surprise! Person with multiple titles appended to his name (Anthony M. Barreto, Alias Tony Martin, English Teacher, Freelance Writer, and Author) writes like this without even realizing that he is pointing figures to himself. In yet another message Anthony M. Barreto writes - Samir you have said it. I agree with you. There's lot of rhetoric flowing from overseas on saving Goa. I think it's just a case of gaining some recognition while in a distant land. I would call it trying to do good or sound good or mean good for goodies. My response: Again a big surprise! The person with multiple titles appended to his names (as indicated above) forgets that he is settle in DUBAI - UAE and is writing to Samir saying that it's just the case of gaining some recognition while in a distant land. Is the writer trying to say THAT DUBAI - UAE IS IN CANACONA? Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Goans in Eritrea
Somehow my earlier message hasn't appeared in Issue 958 even though the subsequent correction has. Here is the original: Reference FN's recent reply to Armando - I too would be interested to know the year as I could well ask my historian friend(Cynthia Salvadori) to see if she can help. She has travelled extensively in Africa and is currently in Ethiopia from where she keeps in regular touch with me. Mervyn(Maciel) M.
[Goanet] Dr Ribeiro's
Dr Ribeiro Goan School ex-students website http://dr.ribeiro.goan.school.googlepages.com/home -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 16,000+ photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/
[Goanet] Seminar on THE RIGHT MOVE II, at Comba, Margao, on 03/08/08
We are thankful to all those who participated to our seminar conducted at Comba Margao, on Right Move II, Carrier in Sports- National Games 2011 by Taleigao Chess Academy in association with International Centre Goa, Dona Paula, by its programm manager Mr. Arajun Haldonkar, Mr. J.B. Sardesai, JCEE leader, Mr. Damodar Naik, MLA Fatorda who have expressed their views and other prominant participants were Pradeep Kulkarni (Bhakti Kulkarni's father), Ravi Jogalekar, prominant writer from Margao and other 25 participants details will be given by the convener of THE RIGHT MOVER II Shri. S.V.Barve With Regards Sanjay Barve Secretary, Taleigao Chess Academy
[Goanet] You are invited to partake in this year ’s World Goa Day celebrations!
WORLD GOA DAY - FLYER http://worldgoaday2 008.blogspot. com/ = = = = = = = = = = Hi Everyone You are invited to partake in this year’s World Goa Day celebrations! At: The Friars, Aylesford , Kent ME20 7BX Time: Mass at 12.30pm- please arrive by 12.00pm for a prompt start Date Time: Sunday 31st August 2008 Followed by a picnic in the grounds- feel free to stay until 7.00pm or leave early if you can’t stay till late Further to my email of 23rd July, the following churches should have posters for the World Goa Day pilgrimage-picnic event on 31st August. I think we can do better as there must be more parishes with substantial Goan congregations. Please therefore let me know if you have got posters and notices in your church newsletters and complete the table below. Let’s see if we can fill this list by the 10th of August. If anyone wishes to receive a hard copy in the post for their parish, please let me have your name address and I’ll send you one in the post. Also please don’t forget to forward my email of 23rd July to family, friends and relatives and encourage them to come along! The more the merrier! I’ve attached the flyer and letter to Parish Priests again. List of Churches who are likely/have offered to put up WGD Pilgrimage-Picnic Flyer Name of Church Area 1 All Saints Harrow ( Kenton Rd ) 2 All Saints Sanderstead, Croydon 3 Holy Innocents Orpington 4 John Vianney (The Angelus) Bexley Heath 5 Our Lady St Thomas Harrow ( Kenton Rd ) 6 Our Lady of Lourdes Wensted 7 Our Lady of the Annunciation Addiscombe 8 Our Lady of Gillingham Gillingham , Kent 9 St Andrew's Thornton Heath 10 St Anselm's Tooting 11 St Anthony's Anerley 12 St Bartholomew' s Norbury 13 St Boniface Tooting 14 St Chad 's South Norwood 15 St Edward's Crawley 16 St Gertrude Purley 17 St John Fisher Wimbledon 18 St Mary's West Croydon 19 St Michael's Chatham 20 St Peter St Paul Mitcham 21 St Winifred's Wimbledon 22 Thomas More Bexley Heath I’d like again to request volunteers for the following mass activities. v Servers v MC or Adult Server v Musicians (Organist, guitarists, flute players, violinists, saxophonists, etc.) and singers for the hymns and other singing during mass v 3 Readers for the two readings and the Bidding Prayers v 6 Offertory Collectors v 3 or 4 volunteers to take up the Offertory gifts v Eucharistic Ministers Fr Lucas Rodrigues will be celebrating mass on the day together with other priests who can attend. Visiting priests are also welcome. Anyone knows of a nice lively Goan (or mixed) choir, do get in touch. We would also like children of all ages to come forward to take part in serving, reading and singing of hymns. Adults too needed for Offertory and Eucharistic Ministers. Also if you’d like to help with the organisation on the day in any way, do get in touch. We will be planning activities for all age groups: ‘young’ and ‘not so young’! Don’t forget to: * Please bring a picnic lunch, drinks, picnic rugs/chairs and games along to make it a fun day. If you can bring a dish to share, please do. * Have a go at making some goan snacks or goan sweets to reinforce the World Goa Day theme where we simply celebrate and take pride in being Goans! Feni is permissible in small quantities! We would like the event to be peaceful but fun so we request that there isn’t any alcohol over-indulgence. * Please also bring your cameras and video/DVD recorders to capture both the mass and also some fun/funny moments at the picnic. * Any ideas for entertainment and to add to the fun on the day are welcome. We would like to have a sing-song of both Goan and English songs. We’ll have song sheets available and will also email these out to you in advance of the event. So bring your guitars and other mobile instruments along together with your singing voices! We hope to see you in large numbers. Travel Information: Coach: We’ve had a few requests for a coach and we’re looking to have a coach/bus pick up people at St Boniface, Tooting and another stop in Croydon. Please get in touch if you would like to avail of the coach which will cost between £8 to £10 (this figure will be confirmed when we have a written quote from the coach company together with a better idea of numbers). Car sharing: Do also remember that we will also be arranging car-shares to put non-drivers in touch with drivers with space in their cars. So drivers and those requiring lifts do get in touch with Rose Fernandes if you would like to help. rosefernandes@ milnet.uk. net Tel 020 8409 8388 evening. Drivers if you have space in your vehicle do consider sharing transport, those willing to share fuel costs with driver to and from the event please let us know so we can
[Goanet] SI is 75
Saligao Institute at Arrarim observes the 75th year of its founding in 2008. Its celebration evening and prize distribution is scheduled for August 14, 2008 at 7 pm. To celebrate of 75th, we have planned an exciting evening starting with the prize distribution, followed by a varied cultural programme, culminating in our now popular song-and-dance session. This time, we have a professional DJ in attendance, says an announcement from SI president Jorge Carvalho and general secretary Elsa D'Souza. Intimate participation from Aug 6 to 12, between 6 to 7.30 pm. Members Rs 30, children below 12 Rs 15 and guests Rs 50.
[Goanet] GBA to pressure MLAs to revoke controversial amendments
http://www.thehindu.com/2008/08/03/stories/2008080351550300.htm GBA to pressure MLAs to revoke controversial amendments Special Correspondent PANAJI: The Goa Bachav Abhiyan (GBA), people's movement crusading against irregularities in and violations of the State land-use plans, has launched a movement to pressure MLAs to revoke the two amendments to the State Town and Country Planning Act passed during the last session of the Legislative Assembly. The two amendments, which have invited the ire of the GBA, give powers to the State and the Union governments to undertake any public projects, schemes or development works which need not conform to the provisions of the Regional Plan for Goa as may be in force. Ritu Prasad of the GBA said on Saturday, before a public meeting, that fast track clearance of projects could not be through two sets of regulations -- one for the Government and another for the people. The amendments were passed in the budget session of the Assembly in March without any debate, Ms. Prasad said. Describing the amendments as intended to dis-empower the people and expressing apprehensions that the Government might be looking for pushing through anything in the guise of public interest, including projects in the name of public-private participation, she said that the GBA had decided to reach all the MLAs with the help of people to get their support for forcing the Government to bring amendments to revoke the two amendments in the Assembly session due this month. On Friday, convener of the GBA Oscar Rebello quit the post following differences within the abhiyan over the issue of people's participation in the formulation and implementation of the State Regional Plan - 2021 which is being prepared. Mr. Rebello simultaneously resigned as the GBA's representative on the Goa Government's task force formulating the State Regional Plan - 2021. Two other members of the GBA, Patricia Pinto and Ms. Prasad, have also resigned from the task force which is led by Chief Minister Digambar Kamat.
[Goanet] FW: OCi or PIO
Dear all, Would some of the Goanetters be in a position to put some light on which of the two options is better to retain Indian citizenship? Is it by obtaining PIO or by acquiring OCI ? It has been noticed that PIO is a card issued by the Govt. of India to Indians who obtain foreign passport. It is a card and does not show anything on the new passport whether one has a PIO or not. Regarding OCI it is a sticker fixed on the foreign passport and also a card given to the holder. Thus the new foreign passport shows that one is also an Indian citizen in lieu of having the sticker on the passport It is said that some people are facing problems when they travel to few countries with OCI sticker on their passports. The emigration officers at the emigration counters insist on obtaining VISA to enter since they say that even if you hold a passport of a country which is exempted of visa to enter you have to obtain entry VISA since you are also Indian citizen ( in lieu of having OCI sticker on the foreign passport). Could anyone clarify how far this is true and if there are problems then why not request the Govt of India not to put a sticker on the foreign passport which one holds and only to issue a OCI card. cesar _ Searching for the best deals on travel? Visit MSN Travel. http://msn.coxandkings.co.in/cnk/cnk.do
[Goanet] GBA in a tizzy over convenor's resignation (TOI)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/GBA_in_a_tizzy_over_convenors__resignation/rssarticleshow/331.cms GBA in a tizzy over convenor's resignation 3 Aug 2008, 0546 hrs IST,TNN PANAJI: A meeting of Goa Bachao Abhiyan on Saturday discussed the resignation of its convenor Dr Oscar Rebello but could neither reach any decision nor finalise a model to ensure more participatory planning of people as per the 73rd and 74th amendments. The late evening meeting — followed by a presentation on the demerits of the amendments 16/16A to the Town and Country Planning Act at the same venue — discussed Dr Rebello's resignation, even as it was regretted. Whatever issues that arose from his resignation were discussed, but the matter is still at the discussion stage, said Sabina Martins, co-convenor, who chaired the meeting. Sources said that a section of the members felt that the GBA should request Dr Rebello to reconsider his decision to quit while some expressed an opinion against it. Members sought details about his resignation. As the GBA is not a structured organisation, there were no formal appointments. The GBA convenor conveyed his decision to two GBA members, sources said. As to the model of participatory planning to be suggested to the Task Force, over which Dr Rebello had resigned as the members were not in sync, the GBA has proposed to hold more meetings. The deadline for the submission of the draft Regional Plan report has been extended to August, 15. As the earlier RP left out the people and local self governing bodies at the grassroot level, there has been a demand that planning process be more transparent.
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA
To Goanet - Marshall Mendonza wrote: Comment: Was Rajan a man ahead of his times or one of the campaigners who initiated the insidious campaign against Dr Oscar Rebello which has taken a toll on one of the best public faces who galvanised the people of Goa against corruption? The loss is not of Dr Oscar but goans. Rajan has accomplished his job and is back in the US (according to Samir). The others left behind have to bear the brunt. Another goan crab story to narrate to our grandchildren. You have the wrong end of the stick. Sorry, you may desire a fund of nice fairy tales - with or without crustaceans in them - to relate to your grandchildren. I am under no such compulsion. I am quite happy to see traitors depart or to show them the door. Warm regards, r
[Goanet] Watch out for draft RP 2021
There is all possibility that the draft Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment as the crisis within GBA was fore seen by some of us as part of the masterplan in order to blunt the opposition just before this plan is out. The betrayal was expected by many of us goans. The people of Goa have to gear up to resist the RP 2021 which is expected to be nothing better than a repackaged RP 2011 by the very same builder and real estate mafia. Mere cosmetic changes like freezing hillslopes and Khazan lands definitely cannot be the solution to the goan people's issues of land, water, livelihood and culture. What are the planned policies of the government? The people of Goa definitely need to know. Development and Planning Rules, amendments to the Panchayat Raj Act and other TCP amendments will now be simultaneously carried out to confuse the people and divert their attention from RP 2021. This RP 2021 will have all the potentiality for a final assault on the ecology and the people of Goa. There will not be space kept for a Goa after 2021. WATCH OUT GOANS! -soter d'souza
[Goanet] The Mistress of Spices
Martin's Corner has just gone national with a recommendation in the Outlook magazine of July 21, 2008. Martin's Corner, Betalbatim, Salcete, Goa. Telephone 2880061 Meal For Two - Rs 900 3 carrots (4 carrots - very good, 3 carrots - good, 2 carrots - average, 1 carrot - avoidable). by Anwar Alikhan Mrs Carafina Caterina Pereira was known in Betalbatim for her cooking. So in the late 80s, she decided to start a tiny eatery with just one table in a corner of her compound. Legend has it that her early clientele was the tourist taxi drivers who ate here while their passengers were dining at more upmarket places. But as Martin's fame spread with time, the eatery gradually overtook the entire Pereira home and compound, until the family had to move to a new home across the road. Our favourites here include the prawn masal fry, pomfret recheado (whole pomfret stuffed with fiery masala) and pomfret caldine (pomfret cooked in coconut milk and green chilli). Mrs Pereira still supervises the kitchen and prepares the masalas, which she claims are the secret of her success, while her sons help her run the place. Clients include Vijay Mallya, Saif Ali Khan and Sharad Pawar. And Sachin Tendulkar who has a home nearby, apparently orders the king crab from here regularly. Some say Martin's has lost the simplicity and charm of the old days, Maybe they're right. But it is still a must-do when one's in Goa. transcribed by-- Roland Francis Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371
Re: [Goanet] Typos and semi-literates!
Dear Fred I too wouldn't pillory anyone for the quality of their language. But Dr. Barad is not anyone. He is a doctor. I don't know whether it is in medicine or he holds a doctorate. But either way he is a highly qualified man. And an author too. So there should not be any excuse for VERY BAD English. And I am not talking about the common typos and other errors which are more due to oversight. It would certainly be unfair if Dr Barad took off our faultable knowledge of medical issues simply because we have never studied medicine. Whereas English is the medium of instruction at all levels of education. I am sure Dr Barad has got his degrees by answering exams in English. It is OK if he answered all his exams in Greek in a university in Greece. Best Regards Tony Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 02:08:11 +0530 From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Typos and semi-literates! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Hi Tony, I wouldn't pillory anyone for the quality of their language ... maybe for the quality of their arguments. Would it be fair if Dr Barad took off our faultable knowledge of medical issues? I don't agree with you here. FN ** Tony Martin English Teacher, Freelance Writer and Author Dubai, UAE Cell: 050-1460524 *
Re: [Goanet] Quiz
Guess the word and win talleo's !! Replace the letter 'o' with 'a'... vice versa. What do u get?? Now replace the author of this word with the same!! What did u get?? Send me the answer!! hAVE a nICE dAY Seb Clue : On the invention of the new word Fodrina on GOANET!!
Re: [Goanet] a confused goan!!
Dear Jojo, For the present all I can say is that vested interests now wear long-sleeved shirts, ties and suits and sit in Board Rooms, too. They are from different professions including the oldest one. If one does it for love of the game, one is called an amateur. Town and Country Planning in Goa is a Professional League game. There are no knock-outs, just a Round Robin. Win some, lose some. Floriano Lobo has posted an apology on the Goanet because he thought that a person who uses the prefix Professor to his name was an honest broker and the Professor professed deep faith in a deputy Speaker just the other day. It speaks for itself. Another Professor apparently tried to pull a fast one on the GBA by palming off a Plan that he wanted us to internalise and submit to the Task Force as if it was our own. He allegedly gets paid just Re.1/- per month for his job. The others get Rs.1000/- for sitting around the whole day. Somebody else is doing the CADdy job . Goa will have a few more Golf courses by the time the Japanese-sponsored gutters help proliferate mosquitos in the villages where the contruction boom is yet to begin. Did you ever wonder why a broker, honest or otherwise, is rarely broke? We gave it a Thumbs Down to the Plan 'B'. The rest is History ... that saved Goa's Geography for the present. As of now, I will vouch that Dr. Oscar Rebelo would not have done what some MPs are alleged to have done. He is honest, though obviously misguided on the day of the partial Solar Eclipse as he was on the 28th of May, 2008, reportedly in the vicinity of Mary Immculate Girls' High School's basketball court. I knew Times Entertainment Group that bagged the ESG contract for IFFI was known as 360 degrees. Never thought the GBA would get an Oscar for doing 180 degrees in two months and three days. The Regional Plan for Goa 2021 is becoming like a Regional Film Festival with changes of Mandates and Dates and Acts in a prelude to some technicolour ending to the special spatial Regional Plan. We may even get a TCP Minister we deserve! Best vision is 20-20. Will our vision 2021 be squint eyed? Let us sit over this for a week and see what hatches. As in the case of hatcheries where the 'sexing' of the eggs has failed, the male chicks are sold for a buck ...for they cannot lay eggs, golden or otherwise! Today you and I are in the biggest state in the whole world the State of Confusion. Your 'gas' is as good as mine. Read my Guess column this Friday. We should have some answers by then. All the answers will never be known. Confucius said, A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. Oscars taken his first step. The thousand miles will follow. Mog asundi. Miguel --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Jojo F. DSouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jojo F. DSouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: a confused goan!! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED], Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 11:02 PM Dear Miguel, With so much going on and so much being said, unsaid, i'm totally confused. Aren't any values of morale's or principle's sacred anymore? What to believe or not believe, who is sincerely fighting for Goa and who is not, and how much of dust is under the rug, while so many sit with their smiles so smug... You bring us all the news, the views and leave it for us to choose, the guilty - well for them how about a noose? While Goa burns, everyone takes turns, while fingers point and people resign, there's always someone good?? or bad?? - but still in line; Is it money talking like the parliament scandal, that rocked the nation? or just some vested interests, willing to really MAKE A DONATION?? I'm a Goan to the core and a confused one, that too!! So Miguel, please sort it out, Mog Asundi - to you too! Jojo Get an email ID as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address
[Goanet] Contributions to Goa
I too wonder in amazement like Rajan Parrikar that a local newspaper like Navhind Times should sing the praises of these bhailes . The paper makes out that the Goans could not do without these Kannadigas, Oriyas,Sindhis,Dilliwallahs or Gujaratis. Could they not have stayed in their home states and help their fellow bhailes who are not doing very well in their home state so they have to migrate to Goa in their droves to better themselves. Our people (niz Goenkars) our youngsters have enough problems in finding jobs for themselves when these outsiders take our livelihood away from us and make us like second hand citizens in our own state. The government should do something and stop these unregulated inflow of these people. Kind regards Ignatius Fernandes _ Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571435/direct/01/
[Goanet] On unpardonably handsome Goan men.
Wendell Rodericks, is one of them. I have utter respect for his stance, for coming out of the closet and being counted. I do wish, sincerely, that our London/Kent Peacock would do the same. We can then be courteously nice towards each other...I hate hypocrisy! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Toronto Convention Music Seminar
I only managed to get up to Toronto from Kansas late Fri nite, to see the tiatro and magnificent Ball. Does anybody have any info on the Convention's Music Seminar? There were all sorts of rumours swirling about something quite extraordinary having taken place there. The final Presentation was apparently packed - could any netters enlighten me on this Music seminar - I think Cornel, Rene were mentioned as having attended. Zulema (Souza?) and Portugal's Virginia were quite fulsome in their praise! Heck, even the NRI Commissioner kept mentioning it - and he couldn't have been there! Or was he? Anybody? Do the organisers have a video, or can I obtain a transcript of it? Dirven Join me on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=539983025 _
[Goanet] Goa news for August 4, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Fresh #152;low to bring more rain into peninsula - Hindu Business Line [4 hours ago] In the Maharashtra-Gujarat region, rainfall occurred at most places over Konkan-Goa and south madhya Maharashtra, at a few places over north madhya ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/08/04/stories/2008080450220700.htmcid=1232841994ei=ej-WSPvpDYKwlgT5tqzhBAusg=AFQjCNGaZ3s9QD4EvFrvz7khVNFB--Br_Q *** Goa Moving Towards New Political Polarisation - Navhind Times [3 hours ago] After presenting an outstanding and path breaking budget this year, Mr Narvekar got busy with the preparation of Goas brief for the XIII th finance ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080424cid=1232910111ei=ej-WSPvpDYKwlgT5tqzhBAusg=AFQjCNFke7LwGzirjRFu63gUcyl2-XGLwA *** Goa Carbon plans to invest Rs 700 cr for expansions - Economic Times [Aug 1, 2008] 1 Aug, 2008, 1746 hrs IST, PTI MUMBAI: Calcined Petroleum Coke maker Goa Carbon, the lone listed entity of the diversified Dempo Group, today said it is ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Indl_Goods__Svs/Metals__Mining/Goa_Carbon_plans_to_invest_Rs_700_cr_for_expansions/articleshow/3315981.cmscid=1232340584ei=ej-WSPvpDYKwlgT5tqzhBAusg=AFQjCNHlyiS5Po3PeHWIfCWSgu8b7l7S1g *** Make Goa a film hub, says industry - Times of India [19 hours ago] PANAJI: Prominent Bollywood personalities have shown an interest in turning Goa into a location to shoot their films. A delegation of the Entertainment ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Make_Goa_a_film_hub_says_industry/articleshow/3320001.cmscid=1233172105ei=ej-WSPvpDYKwlgT5tqzhBAusg=AFQjCNGmooeXGlsXjv1XfBdkeDfxRD1hMQ *** Feast at Casa Professa, Old Goa - Goa Jesuits [6 hours ago] The feast began with celebrations from morning. However, the feast mass was at 5:00 pm. Fr. Simon Fernandes SJ was the main celebrant and exhorted everyone ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://goajesuits.in/events/20080731feastofignatius.htmcid=0ei=ej-WSPvpDYKwlgT5tqzhBAusg=AFQjCNEm8bmUpub6ofPAcLdQZgAmSuWC4g *** Goa will have 55 NIT seats, Centre tells high court - Times of India [Aug 1, 2008] PANAJI: The central government on Fridayclarified before the high court of Bombay at Goa that it proposes to reserve 40 seats for Goan students in National ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_will_have_55_NIT_seats_Centre_tells_high_court/articleshow/3316942.cmscid=0ei=ej-WSPvpDYKwlgT5tqzhBAusg=AFQjCNEc0lA_IiUhUVGQYzVUMnTMnNa8MQ *** GOA recognises only one GSBBA - Navhind Times [18 hours ago] MARGAO - The Goa Olympic Association (GOA) secretary Mr Gurudatta Bhakta said on Wednesday that the Sandesh Narvekar-led Goa State Body-Building Association ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080347cid=0ei=ej-WSPvpDYKwlgT5tqzhBAusg=AFQjCNGteTIbAfX4loyUOoELA6zxwlUejg *** International conference on personal care products in Goa - Press Trust of India [Aug 1, 2008] Mumbai, Aug 2 (PTI) About 500 delegates from 30 nations are likely to attend the global conference on personal care products to be held in Goa from October ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/F6F0DF9F0C4F97BC6525749900226F04?OpenDocumentcid=1232664078ei=ej-WSPvpDYKwlgT5tqzhBAusg=AFQjCNEJbquW6uYv_94UIZPq7kAdFNXBKg *** Goa to form special task force to implement anti-tobacco laws - Zee News [13 hours ago] Panaji, Aug 03: Goa will form a special task force to implement anti-tobacco laws in the tourist state, state Health Minister Vishwajeet Rane said. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=459929sid=REGcid=0ei=ej-WSPvpDYKwlgT5tqzhBAusg=AFQjCNFJ0b3AjAAcVeOHU-LCb3jHdF8LPg *** Goa to appoint NRIs to state boards - Hindustan Times [2 hours ago] Goa is set to become the first state in India to appoint non-resident Indians (NRIs) to various boards and corporations. ``Putting Goan expatriates on state ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindustantimes.com/Redir.aspx?ID=79366acb-9fa1-45b4-9ff0-048db1287ea2ParentID=4f044040-6069-4057-aa13-e29c474fad80cid=0ei=ej-WSPvpDYKwlgT5tqzhBAusg=AFQjCNEhPQ1U0t5N8kpZY_VbEVF-rzsXzw Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] DHIRIEO (Bullfights)
DHIRIEO (Bullfights) Ladru: Avois! Ar're Pedru, tum khuim ghelolo? Pedru: Khuim ghelolo? Hanv gerrak ghelolom! Ladru: Gerrak? Mhunnchem kitem re? Pedru: Gerrak mhunnchem zuzak ghelolom. Ladru: Konnam lagim zuz manddunk ghelolo tor tum? Pedru: Ar're, hanv zuzonk vochonk naslom, punn mhozo paddo ani reddo zuzonk ghelelet. Ladru: Ham, tum sangonk sodtai mista tum dhiriank ghelolo! Pedru: Hoi; hanv dhiriank ghelolom. Ladru: Khuim re? Pedru: Bannale. Ladru: Bannale? Saxttint dhirio bond keleat mur're – dhirio lailear pulis dhortat, hi khobor nam mista tuka? Pedru: Saxttint dhirio bond keleat? Oxem mhunnon tuka konnem sanglam? Amcho Francisco Bab Sardinha pasun dhirio kaidexi kortolo oxem porjek sangon nivllun eila ani tum Saxttint dhirio bond zaleot mhunntta? Ar're ‘paisa feko aur tamasha dekho’. Sunneanchea fuddean ek haddacho kuddko uddoi ani titlean tem sunnem dhadoxi; uprant tuka zai toxem kor. Ladru: Tor tum sangonk sodtai ki pulisank poixe dhilear vo khavoilear dhirio korunk zata? Pedru: Tum boro kapaz mur're! ‘Samazne valeko ishara kafi’! Ladru: Toxem zalear, dhirio khuim ani kednam zatat tor? Pedru: Khuim zatat? Sogle Saxttint zatat – Bannale zatat; Coleam zatat; Bettpatte zatat, adi. Kednam zatat? Sokallim zizunttear zatat, dha horar zatat; bara horar zatat ani toxeoch tinsancheo. Gimant soglleo mellon disak panch pasun dhirio zatat. Ladru: Rav re. Hea dhiriank lok hajir asta? Pedru: Hajir asta! Ar're ubo ravonk suat asonam. Ladru: Punn dhirio asat mhunn lokak koxem gomta re? Pedru: Koxem gomta - hem poi, hem asa amche kollovnechem hathiar – Mobile! Ek mobile call mar ani tujea ixttak sang; to magir aplea ixttak sangta ani to tachea ixttak ani he porim thu mhuntta mhunnosor dhiriechi kollovnni sogott lamb-rund Saxttint porgott zata ani lok aplo kam'-dondo soddun gerr pollovnk ieta. Ladru: Tor tum sangonk sodta ki dhirio pollovn lok aplem pott bhortat, oxem nhoi? Pedru: Albot – karann lok apost martat. Ladru: Kitlem pasun apost martat? Pedru: Aiz-kal lok xemboreanim apost marinant bogor ozaranim ani lakanim. Ladru: Tuvem kednam tori apost marlam re? Pedru: Marlam tor; hanv antrea-poirean apost jiktanch. Ladru: Tum kitle pavtti jiktai tor? Pedru: Three-to-one (3-1)! Ladru: Tuka paddeancheo vo reddeancheo dhirieo boreo lagtat? Pedru: Mhaka dogaimcheoi dhirio boreo lagtat, karann dogaimcherui poixe zoddunk zata. Hanvenui atam ek boroso gerracho reddo vinkto ghevnk chintla. Ladru: Ekdom bori aidiar tuji. Mhakai ek reddo nam zalear paddo mevta zalear polloi. Dogui dhirieo lavpachem business korumiea ani soglleank pattim kaddumiea! Pedru: Hoi tor! Chol faleam ami Belganv vochomiea! Pedru: Rab re, tumchea Bardezant dhirio-bhirio kaim zainant kitem? Ladru: Adim zataleot re; atam zainant; atam amkam tosle dakttule vis (vice) nant. Pedru: Hanvem kednanch aikonk nam Bardezan dhirieo zatat oxem. Ladru: Tumi mur’re sodanch makdda baxen ‘mojench tambddem’ mhunnttat! Pedru: Dhirieo Khuimsor zataleot tor? Ladru: Amchea Honnunant (Anjunant) dhirieo Tembier zataleot ani toxeoch igorje lagim xetant. Tech porim dhirieo zataleot Badean (Badem), Asgoam (Assagao), Siole (Siolim) Porra (Parra), Oddfoddeam (Arpora), Congotte (Calangute), Candoe (Candolim), adi. Eka tempar ami sogottt xet-kamti vortovn soglleam lagim gorvam aslint. Zanche lagim gorvam aslint tanche lagim ek tori dhiriancho paddo/reddo astaloch. Adlea temparui dhiriancher apost martalet punn nhoi atanche porim ozaranim ani lakanim. Ladru: Azun pasun tuvem zoddlaim tem tuka favlem. Hea fuddem anik dhirieo ascheo nam munnchem ascheonam. Pedru: Dhirieo ascheonant! Ani kiteak? Ladru: Tum dispottem ‘Herald’ khobranchem kagot ba vachinam kitem? Pedru: Dispottem kagot vachunk mhaka vell nam. Tuvem kitem vachlam zalear mhaka sang. Ladru: Tor aik. Gelea Budvaradis pulisanim dhirieo laitelea dog zannank Bannale Montir (Benaulim Monte) sampddailet. Zonn eklo pondra ozar rupianchi zamin dhivn suttlo. Sampddaiteleanchi beporva korun dusrea disa (Berestaradis) sokallim portun teach dogaim zannanim Bettpatte (Betalbatim) dhirieo laileot ani hea porim adikareancho kirod vaddoilo. Uprant, Agostache poiler Bombay High Court-an Moddgovchea Director of Panchayats ani Deputy Superintendent of Police hankam kollovnni dhaddli ani tanchea lagim vinonti kelam Ostomti Goyant (South Goa) dhirieo lavpachem bond korunk. Pedru: Ar’re amcho Francisco Bab Sardinha astannam ami koxech bhienant. To koslo tori upai kaddttolo ani dhirieo chalu dovortolo. Mhaka zalear tachi khatri asa. Ladru: Polloviea Francisco Bab Sardinha tumkam lagon kitlo pasun zuzta, vo ‘kam’ zalem voiz melo’ oxem chintun hath kovllun bosta zalear! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Gaumvaddy, Anjuna
[Goanet] ALL IN A DAY'S WORK
Dears, A sale deed for 2,50,000 sq. m. land has been registered at Canacona for S.N.139 at Tansi for Gold Resort Hotels Pvt. Ltd. Read the Tansi-Canacona story on NT page5 of 3/8/08. It is not available on its website. Visit www.savegoa.com to see what this land was supposed to be as per Goa Regional Plan 2011 that was scrapped in 2007. The proposal for a FILM CITY has been doing the rounds for quite some time. Land measuring a few lakh square metres at Survey No 40/1,2,and 3 at Chimbel village between Milroc at Ribandar hillock and the new highway bypass on NH-4 A to Old Goa, that is currently in possesion of the Directorate of Agriculture, is the land that is in the view finder. The Film City is proposed under PPP and would be a Government Project as defined in the draft rules prepared, allegedly by Prof. Edgar Ribeiro, for the Task Force on RPG 2021 for the Goa TCP [Amendment] Act, 2008 passed unopposed by the Goa Legislature Assembly on 25 March, 2008 and has since become an Act. [See report below] Mog asundi Miguel ... Navhind Times. Sunday 03 August, 2008 Film city - a need of the hour for Goa NT NETWORK PANAJI — The representatives of the Hindi, Marathi as well as Bengali film Industry, unanimously observed that setting up of a film city - including studios with film-related equipments, hiring facilities and post-production technology - in Goa would not only enhance the popularity of the International Film Festival of India, annually held in the state, but also create 500 to 600 direct jobs and employ about 4,000-odd people, indirectly. “The government can make available land for setting up such a film city,” they suggested. The representatives, including film producers/ directors, studio owners and in-charge of film institutes, who met a delegation of the Entertainment Society of Goa, led by the Chief Secretary, Mr J P Singh, in Mumbai on August 2, also supported launching special IFFI trains to Goa, during the film festival period, so as to facilitate the film-related persons like junior artists cameramen, technicians and so on, to arrive in Goa for attending the mega event. The ESG delegation also included the CEO of the Society, Mr Manoj Srivastava, the managing director, Mr Nikhil Desai and the governing council members, Mr Manguirish Pai Raikar and Mr Vishal Pai Cacode. As for setting up of the film city, the bigwigs of the three industries agreed to participate in the public-private partnership (PPP), if the film city is to be constructed through such an exercise, he stated. Among those whom the delegation met included Ramesh Sippy, Shekhar Kapur, Sudhir Mishra, Vinod Pande, Raj Tilak, Manmohan Shetty, Govind Nihalani and Kiran Shantaram, among others. Anjuna Citizens Forum oppose illegal constructions NT NETWORK MAPUSA — The Anjuna Citizens Forum (ACF), headed by Mr Gasper D’Souza is up in arms against the Anjuna panchayat for allegedly promoting and patronising illegal constructions and CRZ violations. At a joint meeting between the ACF and the panchayat members held recently, the forum members took the panchayat members to task for failing to initiate any action against illegal constructions and CRZ violations flourishing in the village. Anjuna sarpanch pretending to be unaware told the members of the forum to bring these illegalities to his notice following which he would direct the concerned departments to initiate the necessary action. The deputy director of health services, Dr Deepak Kabaddi along with Siolim health officer, Dr Flavio Furtado and other health officers visited various construction sites and fined the contractors who were working in violation of health safety measures. Various construction sites were thoroughly checked for water stagnation. Sarpanch reiterates resolve to prohibit mega housing projects NT NETWORK MARGAO — The Colva panchayat sarpanch, Ms Suzy Fernandes on Sunday asked the villagers to move a resolution to send a reminder to the local MLA and Tourism Minister, Mr Francisco Pacheco seeking to amend the building laws to put an end to the mushrooming mega housing projects in the state. When the point of ‘mega projects’ was read out by the secretary from the last meeting minutes, again the gram sabha members began to pose questions and the sarpanch replied that “no mega projects” will be allowed to come up in the village, adding that she has sent back all the files and that some of those already submitted to the authorities have been called back. When Mr Ceasar Fernandes asked on what grounds these projects will not be allowed and under what grounds some files have been recalled, the sarpanch replied that she had done this on the basis of improper infrastructure available in the village. The gram sabha also wanted to know why a football ground is proposed at a water harvesting site. The sarpanch replied that the villagers have
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA
To Goanet - Miguel Braganza wrote: Rajan Parrikar is NOT the type of person I would like to associate. Gee, I'm shattered, dude. Imagine not being able to bask in the shadow of your distinguished, CbC (Certified-by-Cecil) being. I guess with this devastating blow, I should cast off my mortal coil. Regards, r
[Goanet] Contributions to Goa
Ignatius writes: I too wonder in amazement like Rajan Parrikar that a local newspaper like Navhind Times should sing the praises of these bhailes . The paper makes out that the Goans could not do without these Kannadigas, Oriyas,Sindhis,Dilliwallahs or Gujaratis. Could they not have stayed in their home states and help their fellow bhailes who are not doing very well in their home state so they have to migrate to Goa in their droves to better themselves. Our people (niz Goenkars) our youngsters have enough problems in finding jobs for themselves when these outsiders take our livelihood away from us and make us like second hand citizens in our own state. The government should do something and stop these unregulated inflow of these people. Kind regards Ignatius Fernandes Why people are not getting jobs in Goa is not so much because of bhailes but there are not enough industries in Goa. In Bangalore, there are people from all states of India working. (Yeah, I hear the chorus about how overcrowded Bangalore has become). I think bhailes coming to Goa and Goans going outside is a good thing. After all, many of our Goans are also working in other states and abroad. Would you like them to be thrown out? In fact, some have made money abroad and now come back to Goa and want to throw the bhaile out from Goa. I mean hypocrisy has its limits! The point is to push with the govt. to encourage entreprenuership. When our concept of looking ahead of the times is to see the downfall of another Goan (See another post), we can see what level we ourselves have stooped to. We instead really need to look ahead and plan for jobs in Goa, and bringing relevant industries to Goa. regards, Samir
[Goanet] See this and weep
To Goanet - It is now the official policy of the govt to let ghatis take over Goa - http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7895cid=2 r
[Goanet] Now hear ye
Continuation of Two flights of fancy, Game theory etc posts. Centre for probe into BIAL lapses. http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Aug42008/state2008080382608.asp When opinion was sought on the decision of the Karnataka Legislative Assembly to set up a House Committee to look into the alleged violation of terms and conditions by the promoter company, officials indicated that the [civil aviation] ministry's stand may not be much different from that of state government. They, however, refused to comment on the Assembly's demand. Speaking to Deccan Herald on the condition of anonymity, ministry officials pointed out that over the last few months, both the state and the ministry shared similar opinion on different aspects such as facilities, second terminal and runway, need for HAL airport to continue etc. The ministry was of the opinion that the two governments together held 26 per cent stake (13 per cent each) at the BIAL and they can influence any decision at BIAL board in a major way. We can also block any decision if we think it is not good for the airport, officials added. **The airport capacity and the facilities cannot be unilateral decision of promoters. At the board level, it has to be unanimous.** The BIAL would be answerable to the state government if the House Committee directs the government to take certain decisions on the airport, they added. Now get a load of this nugget regarding real estate earnings of airports which follows: The BIAL has returned the surplus 400-odd acre to KSIIDC (state government), ministry sources said. Interestingly, Bangalore and Hyderabad airports are not liable to act like Delhi and Mumbai airports in sharing the non-aeronautical revenue. **Delhi and Mumbai airports have to transfer 30 per cent of their non-aeronautical revenue to aeronautical purposes but this clause is not applicable to the two southern airports.** Thus, suppose the two operators develop real estate, the entire returns go to the promoters' kitty without any obligation. It is not so in Delhi and Mumbai where they have to spend 30 per cent of non-aeronautical revenue on giving facilities to airlines and passengers. This means, there will be cross-subsidy and passengers and airlines get benefited, officials pointed out. At the same time, **the ministry is now planning to make the Delhi and Mumbai experience uniform to the country in future**. We will include the cross-subsidisation clause in the Airports Economic Regulatory Authority Bill which is before the Parliament, officials added. **Bangalore and Hyderabad airports cannot be bound by this as they operate under the existing contractual obligations.** On the face of it, the Mumbai and Delhi model should definitely be applicable to Mopa. The Bangalore fiasco must not be repeated in this Goa project. What say?
