Re: [h-cost] New Topic: Is this a Postmortem Photo
I think a lot is being read into the photo simply because the question of PM or not was asked. I see this all the time on PM or not photos. Ask yourselves honestly whether you would still be seeing so much evidence of death if Penny had simply posted a picture saying look at this photo of my family? There is no way of knowing why the children had any particular look on their face. They may have just gotten yelled at by their father for not sitting still for the photographer or for constantly talking or for hitting each other or any number of things that every normal child does. Or maybe one wanted to be on the other side or wearing a different hat/outfit/etc. We can't really know what caused any particular emotion or if there was any emotion at all. How many of you have seen a photo of yourself where you looked mad or bored or whatever when you weren't feeling that at all? It just happened to be a particular camera angle at just the right time of you moving your face. I know it has happened to me. Teena From: Jacqueline Johnson jacqueline.m.john...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topic: Is this a Postmortem Photo That was my thing as well. The expression on those kids face is upset. By this time in pictures this entire myth that no one smiled...we've lots of pictures with people smiling. The oldest, poor thing, she's literally holding the weight of their grief and you can see it in her face. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Topic: Is this a Postmortem Photo
I disagree. I don't think it is post-mortem. First of all, why would they do it with him standing when the grouping would have been just as pleasant with him sitting. That would be much more likely if he was post mortem. There is no indication that he is not holding his own weight on his legs. They are clearly solid beneath him and not shifted to the side as if something else is holding him up. I do, however, think that he has some disability and the belt is keeping him steady. There is also drooping on one side of his face which may indicate stroke or other brain abnormality/injury. And his eyes look blind to me not dead. There is a certain look to a dead body and he doesn't have it. Particularly focus on his lips. They are not the lips of a dead body at all. Just my 2 cents. Teena From: Penny Ladnier pe...@costumegallery.com To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 1:07 AM Subject: [h-cost] New Topic: Is this a Postmortem Photo I'll open a can of worms. I have a photo of my Dad and his siblings from 1912 http://www.costumegallery.com/kids2.jpg . The little boy in this front is he postmortem or handicapped. He passed away in 1912. I have always thought the belt around him was odd and being shoeless. My Dad told me once that his mother was very strict and would not allow them to go around barefooted. Last week I was dusting the photo's frame and gave it a hard look and thought it might be postmortem. Penny Ladnier, Owner The Costume Gallery Websites, www.costumegallery.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pomona Green: vote now!
I always envisioned Pomona Green to be more like this color. But that is just from my own mind's forming and not really grounded in any kind of fact or anything. :) http://www.bangkokthaisilk.com/lime-green-100-authentic-silk-fabric/ Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Getting pantone colors with rit dye
On a less contentious topic ;-) I thought this was really cool. The RIT dye website gives the formula for recreating the pantone seasonal colors using their dyes. Pantone Seasonal Colors #RitDye | | | | | | | | | | | Pantone Seasonal Colors #RitDyePantone Seasonal Colors Change with the changing seasons with Pantone’s seasonal colors. | | | | View on www.ritstudio.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Getting pantone colors with rit dye
Sorry looks like Yahoo ate the link. Here it is: https://www.ritstudio.com/color-library/pantone-seasonal-colors/ Teena From: Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:02 PM Subject: [h-cost] Getting pantone colors with rit dye On a less contentious topic ;-) I thought this was really cool. The RIT dye website gives the formula for recreating the pantone seasonal colors using their dyes. Pantone Seasonal Colors #RitDye | | | | | | | | | | | Pantone Seasonal Colors #RitDyePantone Seasonal Colors Change with the changing seasons with Pantone’s seasonal colors. | | | | View on www.ritstudio.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Topic: Is this a Postmortem Photo
Actually, I was not reading into it. I was not stating that the children were being yelled at. I was simply giving several possible alternative reasons for their facial expressions that did not include being upset that someone was dead. My point being that you can't assume that the child in the photo is dead because of the facial expressions of the other children. And had the PM or not question not been asked, I doubt it would have been assumed that they were mourning simply based on facial expression. This seems to happen every time the PM or not is asked about a photo. Thanatos archive posts these quite often. And every time there are several people who suddenly see things in the photo that they would not have seen if the question was not asked. For example, the baby has to be dead because the mother looks so sad and she is wearing black. The mother could have been wearing any color that photographed as dark. The facial expression was blank which was not that uncommon for that type of photograph (these are the ones you have to sit very still for). And even when specifics are given as to why the outfit would absolutely not be mourning (trims, fabrics, styles, etc), people only see death because that is what they are looking for. Personally, I like to look at anatomy. We can only guess at emotion, but we scientifically know what happens to a body after death. Teena From: Jacqueline Johnson jacqueline.m.john...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Topic: Is this a Postmortem Photo Of course a lot is being read into it. That's why we have this list is it not? After all, you just read a lot into yourself, the idea of the kids being yelled at...you're right, we can't know. But we can conjecture. About history. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
Marjorie said: Yeek. Just looked at the price! How familiar are you with the company (not Amazon DG, the pattern produceer)? I have their regency pattern which was a similar price as I recall. That one is a fantastic pattern and worth the price because it contains patterns for a bunch of different garments with different options. I love it. I haven't used their artistic reform pattern, but if it is like the regency one, it will be a good investment. Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] what is everyone working on?
Ann Wass said: So far, I'm resisting Pinterest. Facebook is enough of a time waster. I would probably NEVER get anything done if I got caught up in Pinterest. (Occasionally, friends do share pins, but, alas, many pinners don't document worth a darn--so we don't know WHERE that purty pitcher is from!) Actually, they don't need to document it. Pinterest is basically a fancy bookmark with pictures. If you click on the pin, it will take you to the original website where the image was found. For example, if they pin a dress from the Met, clicking on it will take you to the Met page showing the dress. The problem comes in when they pin it from a website with no source information... but then we suffered that even before Pinterest. ;) Of course, Google now has the functionality to find an image if you cut and paste it into their search engine so sometimes the original can be found that way even when someone doesn't put source information. Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] what is everyone working on?
I'm finishing up my 18th century stays this weekend and a bum pad. Not very exciting, but necessary in order to move on to the pretties! Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants
We recently moved back to the US after living in the UK for five years. While there, I never got used to the word pants meaning underwear. It was very embarrassing when we went into a Starbucks out of a downpour where the water had come up to my ankles. I turned with disgust to my husband and said, My pants are soaking wet!! Several people turned my way and just stared. I said, Trousers! I meant trousers! but it was too late. ;-) LOL Teena From: Robin Netherton ro...@netherton.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants One of my favorite speakers on costume history once began a lecture at an international conference by saying, I considered giving this presentation wearing knickers and a vest. The Americans in the audience may have thought she had a quirky fashion sense, but the Brits were horrified. The speaker went on to discuss the problems of fashion terminology in historical sources. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Source for buttons?
Not sure how many you need, but I found these vintage ones on Etsy. They only have 10 though. (Disclaimer: not affiliated with seller in any way.) http://www.etsy.com/listing/123790859/vintage-grey-half-dome-pearl-buttons Teena From: annbw...@aol.com annbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 5:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Source for buttons? I am looking for spherical pearl (or pearl-like) buttons--you know, like the kind on long gloves--but in a smoky gray color, not white. Does anyone know of a source? Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] checking on a merchant
I have a pair of the debbie style and I LOVE them. They are one of my most favorite pairs of shoes to wear. The first time I wore them was to a dance event and my feet didn't hurt one bit even though I hadn't had a chance to break them in first. Of course, everyone's feet are shaped different so your mileage may vary. If I recall correctly, I think I had to go up a half size from my normal size. Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] checking on a merchant
Katy said: I have the Victoria boots and I love them, they were comfortable from the first wearing. I have two pairs of those too. And, again, comfortable right out of the box! With those, I think I went with the true size and didn't have to go up a half size. Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for Grannd Garb
I'm not sure that listing is the same company... or at least that they are operating in the same way and offering the same items as Grannd Garb (the correct spelling). I found this on the interwebs: Grannd Companies is undergoing changes. Customers with pending orders will be contacted shortly via email. All back orders are being cancelled and any funds due will be refunded. I want to thank all of our customers for their support during difficult economic times, as well as our own personal struggles. The future is still a bit uncertain but decisions are being made regarding Grannd Companies and it's future. Additional information will be available soon. Suzanne - 11/17/2009 Hope that helps! :) Teena From: Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for Grannd Garb You've spelled it wrong. Try again. I did a Google search and it was the second item. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Purple Kat Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] looking for Grannd Garb I just attempted to look for Grannd Garb (South River, NJ), but can't locate their web site. Can anyone help?? Katheryne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Amazon dry goods
Liz, have you tried sockdreams.com? They are not specific for reenactors or anything like that, but they have such a wide variety of stuff that they may have what you need. I buy their over the knee and thigh-high striped socks for my victorian wear. They also have things that fit larger legs. (Not affiliated with the company except as a happy customer). Teena From: Liz H. imco...@verizon.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: [h-cost] Amazon dry goods Actually they've been around for...I think a year and a half now, he said? I called this summer, hoping to buy some of the cotton with lycra stockings that I *love* for reenacting. Which is the only reason I know that timeframe for the new owners. He said that, unfortunately, one of the very first suppliers he heard from/spoke to was the maker of the stockings...who called to tell them that they were going out of business. :-( Anyone come across a stocking that is basically heavy cotton tights that aren't attached, but will stretch and fit a short person with heavy legs, please let me know! Meanwhile, customer service there is as great as it ever has been, if not better :-) -Elisabeth (still here, but quiet) - Reply message - From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 11, Issue 259 Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:00 pm Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-requ...@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-ow...@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... Today's Topics: 1. Amazon Drygoods (Pierre Sandy Pettinger) 2. Re: Amazon Drygoods (Marjorie Wilser) 3. Re: Amazon Drygoods (Wicked Frau) 4. Re: Amazon Drygoods (Marion McNealy) 5. Re: Amazon Drygoods (Franchesca Havas) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:26:54 -0600 From: Pierre Sandy Pettinger costu...@radiks.net To: h-cost...@indra.com, ic...@yahoogroups.com, slc...@yahoogroups.com, f-cost...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Amazon Drygoods Message-ID: e1tafs9-0006k4...@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed They're bck! From: Carole Parker ms...@sonic.net Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:24:40 -0800 Subject: Amazon Drygoods Begin forwarded message: On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Persephone mailto:inbox%40vintagewaltz.comin...@vintagewaltz.com wrote: Hello Costumers! Do you remember Amazon Drygoods, that cute little paper catalog full of nifty books, shoes, hats... well everything... A year or two ago they went out of business and we said boo-hoo. Well I just learned last week, that they are back in business. How did I miss that one? In case some of you had not heard I wanted to pass it on. Here are the new owners http://www.amazondrygoods.com/about-us/http://www.amazondrygoods.com/about-us/ International Costumers' Guild Archivist http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:59:11 -0800 From: Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Amazon Drygoods Message-ID: f26e6b41-e62f-4600-96ee-d6177ee02...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Good to hear it, thanks! ==Marjorie Wilser @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Nov 19, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Pierre Sandy Pettinger wrote: They're bck! -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:20:39 -0700 From: Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Cc: ic...@yahoogroups.com, slc...@yahoogroups.com, f-cost...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Amazon Drygoods Message-ID: CAHPcGNrK2GY+tqQEW67HQdTJ=dvxzm9bqs2aj3zyiqzhxpk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OMG! So are they still just brick and mortar? Sg On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Pierre Sandy Pettinger costu...@radiks.net wrote: They're bck! From: Carole Parker ms...@sonic.net Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:24:40 -0800 Subject: Amazon Drygoods Begin forwarded message: On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Persephone mailto: inbox%40vintagewaltz.**com inbox%2540vintagewaltz.com in...@vintagewaltz.com wrote: Hello Costumers! Do you
Re: [h-cost] Cotton stockings (was Amazon dry goods)
Lauren, I should have finished reading my email before responding to Liz. You beat me to it! ;-) As a warning to others, sockdreams can become an addiction! Teena From: lauren.wal...@comcast.net lauren.wal...@comcast.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton stockings (was Amazon dry goods) For cotton stockings, try http://www.sockdreams.com/_pages/index.php I like many of their over-the-knee offerings, especially their O Basics for re-enacting. http://www.sockdreams.com/products/socks/over-the-knee/o-basics The cotton content seems to change depending upon the batch (currently, 68%) , but they are a simple, flat-knit, over-the-knee sock, and they attempt to tell you how they will fit on various leg sizes. Also you can't beat the price. Sock Dreams carries a lot of other over-the-knee and thigh-high stockings, so if these aren't what you're looking for you may find something else that is. I'm still craving these beauties: http://www.sockdreams.com/products/orkney-angora-over-the-knees:10296 50% angora/50% wool. Hope you can find the socks you want! Lauren - Original Message - From: Liz H. imco...@verizon.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:52:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] Amazon dry goods Actually they've been around for...I think a year and a half now, he said? I called this summer, hoping to buy some of the cotton with lycra stockings that I *love* for reenacting. Which is the only reason I know that timeframe for the new owners. He said that, unfortunately, one of the very first suppliers he heard from/spoke to was the maker of the stockings...who called to tell them that they were going out of business. :-( Anyone come across a stocking that is basically heavy cotton tights that aren't attached, but will stretch and fit a short person with heavy legs, please let me know! Meanwhile, customer service there is as great as it ever has been, if not better :-) -Elisabeth (still here, but quiet) - Reply message - From: h-costume-requ...@indra.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 11, Issue 259 Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:00 pm Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-requ...@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-ow...@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... Today's Topics: 1. Amazon Drygoods (Pierre Sandy Pettinger) 2. Re: Amazon Drygoods (Marjorie Wilser) 3. Re: Amazon Drygoods (Wicked Frau) 4. Re: Amazon Drygoods (Marion McNealy) 5. Re: Amazon Drygoods (Franchesca Havas) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:26:54 -0600 From: Pierre Sandy Pettinger costu...@radiks.net To: h-cost...@indra.com, ic...@yahoogroups.com, slc...@yahoogroups.com, f-cost...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Amazon Drygoods Message-ID: e1tafs9-0006k4...@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed They're bck! From: Carole Parker ms...@sonic.net Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:24:40 -0800 Subject: Amazon Drygoods Begin forwarded message: On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Persephone mailto:inbox%40vintagewaltz.comin...@vintagewaltz.com wrote: Hello Costumers! Do you remember Amazon Drygoods, that cute little paper catalog full of nifty books, shoes, hats... well everything... A year or two ago they went out of business and we said boo-hoo. Well I just learned last week, that they are back in business. How did I miss that one? In case some of you had not heard I wanted to pass it on. Here are the new owners http://www.amazondrygoods.com/about-us/http://www.amazondrygoods.com/about-us/ International Costumers' Guild Archivist http://www.costume.org/gallery2/main.php Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:59:11 -0800 From: Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Amazon Drygoods Message-ID: f26e6b41-e62f-4600-96ee-d6177ee02...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;format=flowed Good to hear it, thanks! ==Marjorie Wilser @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press
Re: [h-cost] The new Anna Karenina
I'll still see it. The costumes, as seen in the trailer, are beautiful. So even if the movie is less than steller, I will enjoy that. Besides, I disagree often enough with critics that I don't let them make my decisions for me anymore. Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 3:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] The new Anna Karenina After reading this review, I'm not going to bother watching the movie: http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Anna-Karenina-review-Off-the-rails-4041627.php Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Indian? Pakistani? Not sure what it is.
The tunic is called a Kameez (spellings vary) and the scarf is a Dupatta. Normally they are worn with salwar or shalwar (or other spellings depending on region) which are loose trousers or churidar (again spellings vary!) which are tight legging type trousers. I tried to google around to see what the skirt would be called, but, though I found this combination, they just seemed to be called Kameez with skirt. Maybe this is because it is a more modern combination rather than a traditional one? I don't know. Also, while they are worn in Punjab, they are also worn all over southeast asia. Hope this helps. Teena From: Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Indian? Pakistani? Not sure what it is. Lauren, Thanks for the link!! Not a lehenga choli like those pictures. No. The top is a *tunic* and not a choli. It's as if you were to take a Punjabi pantsuit *tunic* and place it over the long lovely skirt from the Lehenga choli. I'll find time later to post the pic of me wearing it. I'm unforgivably paleface, but the outfit is nice :) ==Marjorie Wilser On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:36 AM, lauren.wal...@comcast.net wrote: It's a lehenga choli. http://www.exoticindiaart.com/textiles/SalwarKameez/lehenga/ The Punjabi pantsuit is called a salwar kameez. The lehenga choli is often used for bridal wear. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Indian? Pakistani? Not sure what it is.
I found something. Someone on a forum or something like that was asking about a Kameez Lengha (sometimes spelled lahenga) which is the tunic with the skirt. I guess Lengha means skirt. Anyway, they were saying that this was the Pakistani style as opposed to the lengha choli which is more of an Indian style. So maybe your outfit is Pakastani? Teena From: Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Indian? Pakistani? Not sure what it is. Lauren, Thanks for the link!! Not a lehenga choli like those pictures. No. The top is a *tunic* and not a choli. It's as if you were to take a Punjabi pantsuit *tunic* and place it over the long lovely skirt from the Lehenga choli. I'll find time later to post the pic of me wearing it. I'm unforgivably paleface, but the outfit is nice :) ==Marjorie Wilser On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:36 AM, lauren.wal...@comcast.net wrote: It's a lehenga choli. http://www.exoticindiaart.com/textiles/SalwarKameez/lehenga/ The Punjabi pantsuit is called a salwar kameez. The lehenga choli is often used for bridal wear. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] chain stitch
Is that something any 4 thread serger can do? Or is it a specialty machine? Teena From: Kim Baird kba...@cableone.net To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] chain stitch You can buy a serger that does a beautiful chain stitch. Kim -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of aqua...@patriot.net Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 12:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery Machines I'm sure embroidery machines can do satin stitch, but can they do chain stitch? I think your best bet there is to get an antique machine that sews with a chain stitch. I actually had a toy machine at one point that was a chain stitch, but it would lose alignment easily. Chain stitch, or tambour embroidery was popular in the 1780s. It's thought to have originated in India. There is a beautiful Indian robe at the Victoria Albert Museum, from the early 18th century. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] pinning
No, not that model. One is the c-250 futura, one is a 6038 and the last (which is currently an extra living in its box) is a 3820. That 6038 has been a workhorse! I had a singer before that but don't recall the number. The reason I have so many? My first I got for christmas years and years ago. It was a very basic model. I replaced it with the 3820 because I wanted more features and gave it away to some students who needed a machine. It was great until the puppy chewed the cord when I was under a deadline, so I bought the 6038. I replaced the cord so that I had a spare machine. Then a couple of years ago, my husband bought me the futura for christmas. I know some people don't like singer, but I have been very lucky! Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinning You wouldn't have the Singer 2277 Tradition by any chance? That is the brand new White Elephant in my garage. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com/ On 9/21/2012 9:13 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: Some modern machines will sew over pins. Most of the time, I remove them as I sew, but there is one task which requires me to leave the pins in and just sew over them. I've dented a pin once or twice, but never had any issue with the machine itself nor have I broken any needles. I've done this with at least 3 recent model singers. Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Hair and Reenacting
I don't know if you belong to Your Wardorbe Unlock'd or not, but I recall seeing some how-to articles on hair pieces by Lynn McMasters and others. But if you aren't a member, just google making hair pieces or something similar and you should find a lot of tutorials on making your own hair pieces. Teena From: Sharon Phillips vintagealternat...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hair and Reenacting Thank you to everyone who had offered ideas for head coverings and ideas for starting points for reasearched. I haven't done any costuming in the last five years or so and I'm struggling to remember what I had learnt before then. I guess I'm also stressing a little because I'm already self-concious about drawing attention to my face at events when I'm not wearing sunglasses. My medication paralyse my eye muscles and pupils open, and I usually I hide that behind Ray-Bans. I dyed my hair to add colour to my face. The henna colour in some lights is a metallic wine-red and in other lights the colour matches a piece of burnt sienna coating I have. I don't remember seeing that shade of red as a natural hair colour but I could be wrong. I do know of a couple of local wigmakers locally who do make human hair wigs. One of them will buy hair, which is what prompted this line of thought. I do expect made to order wigs to be expensive like any craft that takes many, many hours of hand work. Cost is one of the reasons I'm after opinions and ideas before making enquiries to them. I had not thought of using the hair for switches which sounds much more feasible. How is the best way to make them into pieces that won't fall apart? Sharon Phillips (I use Dragon Dictate to compose emails. Strange word substitutions may occur.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Puts the burden where it belongs!
Lauren said: PS: By the way, you can often tell if a link is a virus if you mouse-over and the actual URL doesn't match the visible link and/or ends in .exe. Don't click on those! This is definitely true for phishing and spoof emails, but the virus emails that contain only a link and no text generally don't do this. I would recommend never clicking on a link that doesn't have accompanying text. Teena From: Lauren Walker lauren.wal...@comcast.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Puts the burden where it belongs! PS: By the way, you can often tell if a link is a virus if you mouse-over and the actual URL doesn't match the visible link and/or ends in .exe. Don't click on those! Lauren M. Walker lauren.wal...@comcast.net On Sep 20, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: Fran, Perhaps you are unaware that many emails that come with just links are viruses. It only takes a moment to write a sentence or two. It is the current norm for email etiquette. Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Puts the burden where it belongs! If you don't want to click on them, don't. Simple as that. Fran On 9/20/2012 6:18 PM, Ginni Morgan wrote: I don't click on bare links without at least a short explanation of where they're going or what they're about, so I agree with Joan on this. What are they? Ginni Morgan Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com 9/20/12 4:34 PM Did you read the articles? Or the link titles? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com/ On 9/20/2012 4:18 PM, Joan Jurancich wrote: At 08:26 PM 9/16/2012, you wrote: http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/09/07/modesty-glasses/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/ultra-orthodox-jews-blurry-glasses_n_1757338.html http://www.modestyglasses.com/index.html Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com/ www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress What in the world are these links about? Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Puts the burden where it belongs!
Fran, as I was not the only one who remarked that they would prefer text with any links, it clearly is not just me. My point was so that no one was mislead by thinking if that circumstance didn't exist, it meant the link was safe. We have had bare link virus emails sent to this list before and people have gotten viruses by clicking on them. So, believe it or not, this isn't about you. And while not on topic with historic costuming, it is on topic with regards to members of this list getting viruses previously. As you are often seen to say, if you aren't interested in the discussion, don't read it. Teena Um, you are aware that there could be accompanying text and the link could still contain a virus? All the junk my ISP's spamcatcher dumps into my graymail has accompanying text. This is a ridiculous discussion, as the only person it matters to whether you click on a link, is you. Thankfully, this moribund list seems to be moving on to some actual content. Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com/ On 9/21/2012 9:01 AM, Beteena Paradise wrote: Lauren said: PS: By the way, you can often tell if a link is a virus if you mouse-over and the actual URL doesn't match the visible link and/or ends in .exe. Don't click on those! This is definitely true for phishing and spoof emails, but the virus emails that contain only a link and no text generally don't do this. I would recommend never clicking on a link that doesn't have accompanying text. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Puts the burden where it belongs! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] pinning
Some modern machines will sew over pins. Most of the time, I remove them as I sew, but there is one task which requires me to leave the pins in and just sew over them. I've dented a pin once or twice, but never had any issue with the machine itself nor have I broken any needles. I've done this with at least 3 recent model singers. Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pinning The older machines will happily sew over pins and the newer ones will not. When my mother bought her Sears Kenmore in the early 1960s, she was very impressed by what was apparently the standard sales demo. In order to prove that the machine could sew over pins, the salesperson (well practiced, of course), sewed over a ruler, the spiel being that if the machine could pass over a ruler it could pass over anything. That was her first and only machine (and seldom used at that; I wish I had taken it when she died) so it was a new concept to her. But I had no problems sewing over pins with either a treadle or an early electric, let alone my own Kenmore which my parents bought for me some years after they bought hers. It was only when I started buying higher-end and more modern machines that I ran into problems. For about the last 20 years, I have pinned each seam, basted it, removed all the pins, sewn the seam, removed the basting (to avoid thread marks when pressing), and then pressed it. I went through two clothing design programs in college, one couture and one ready-to-wear. I was taught that pins should be placed a minimum of an inch apart and for curves and difficult fabrics, closer than that, usually about half an inch. I imagine I could just hold the fabric together instead--when I took an industrial sewing class I had to do exactly that. I also could remove pins as I sew. But I would prefer to either pin it all and then sew it all, or baste it all and then sew it all. I never use any kind of glue when sewing, either adhesives to take the place of basting, or Fray-check for seams. I am convinced that residue would be left on the fabric and/or the machine. Also, I like using traditional methods, though I do modify them to some extent at need. I also, BTW, never mark with anything but tailor's chalk or tailor's tacks and thread tracing. I can see Carol's point about using a walking foot for machine quilting. But otherwise, basting should continue to work for me. I realize that most people don't hand baste, and being able to sew over pins again would have been convenient, but I don't really mind basting. You can also use a slip-basting stitch for stripes and plaids which works better than pins for keeping them matched while you sew. At any rate, now I know that the Bernina 1008 will not sew over pins, and I will not damage it by experimenting with it. I still have painful memories of ruining an expensive new machine that way, which was way worse than having a broken needle. Bad design though, IMO. Fran Lavolta Press Books on historic sewing http://www.lavoltapress.com/ On 9/21/2012 6:24 PM, Kim Baird wrote: Of course I remove them as I go along. Sewing over a pin is bad for the needle, can chip it if not break or bend it. I find it hard to believe that you need so many pins to hold a simple seam together. Sometimes I don't pin at all. Although curves and matching plaids are a different story. . . ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Puts the burden where it belongs!
Fran, Perhaps you are unaware that many emails that come with just links are viruses. It only takes a moment to write a sentence or two. It is the current norm for email etiquette. Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Puts the burden where it belongs! If you don't want to click on them, don't. Simple as that. Fran On 9/20/2012 6:18 PM, Ginni Morgan wrote: I don't click on bare links without at least a short explanation of where they're going or what they're about, so I agree with Joan on this. What are they? Ginni Morgan Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com 9/20/12 4:34 PM Did you read the articles? Or the link titles? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com/ On 9/20/2012 4:18 PM, Joan Jurancich wrote: At 08:26 PM 9/16/2012, you wrote: http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/09/07/modesty-glasses/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/ultra-orthodox-jews-blurry-glasses_n_1757338.html http://www.modestyglasses.com/index.html Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress What in the world are these links about? Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Hair and Reenacting
I know someone in England who does 15th century War of the Roses living history and she wears a hood to cover her very bright cherry red hair. I don't know what style of 15th/16th century clothing you wear, but there is probably a type of headwear that can cover your hair completely while still being historically accurate. Teena From: Sharon Phillips vintagealternat...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] Hair and Reenacting I would like some ideas on hair pieces and wigs as I now have short hair again and I have no real idea myself. My hair is maybe a centimetre or two long at the back and for part of the sides and, about 7 cm or 8 cm long on the top part. I also have dark red henna in it so all in all my hair looks modern. I need to come up with some kind of solution for reenacting. I'm mostly interested in 15th and 16th centuries, and regency. I was wondering what the list would suggest for solutions for covering up the hair and achieving period hairstyles. I did keep my plaits when they where cut off. They reached they bottom of my ribcage(plaited) and were cut off halfway between shoulder and head. The hair is in good condition and was never dyed, chemically treated or the like. I never even used a hairdryer or straightener on it.The plaits also weigh over 160 grams so there is quite a bit of hair there. I'm wondering if it would be worth talking to a wigmaker and seeing if they are able to make something with this either wig or hair pieces. I'm wondering if anybody on the list has done something similiar or knows anything about the subject Sharon Phillips ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Hair and Reenacting
Sorry forgot to talk about the Regency stuff... I don't know how old you are, but if you are not in the first blush of youth, you could get away with wearing a pretty cap for Regency day (which would look lovely under your bonnet when you go outside) and a turban for regency evening. Teena From: Sharon Phillips vintagealternat...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] Hair and Reenacting I would like some ideas on hair pieces and wigs as I now have short hair again and I have no real idea myself. My hair is maybe a centimetre or two long at the back and for part of the sides and, about 7 cm or 8 cm long on the top part. I also have dark red henna in it so all in all my hair looks modern. I need to come up with some kind of solution for reenacting. I'm mostly interested in 15th and 16th centuries, and regency. I was wondering what the list would suggest for solutions for covering up the hair and achieving period hairstyles. I did keep my plaits when they where cut off. They reached they bottom of my ribcage(plaited) and were cut off halfway between shoulder and head. The hair is in good condition and was never dyed, chemically treated or the like. I never even used a hairdryer or straightener on it.The plaits also weigh over 160 grams so there is quite a bit of hair there. I'm wondering if it would be worth talking to a wigmaker and seeing if they are able to make something with this either wig or hair pieces. I'm wondering if anybody on the list has done something similiar or knows anything about the subject Sharon Phillips ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Kenmore
Wow what a great place! Too bad they don't have one in Florida. It would be a great place to try out certain crafts (like woodworking) without having to buy all of the equipment. Teena From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kenmore Thanks all for helping with my machine choice. Buying the top levels of any major brand, is a wise tho pricey move for the serious costumer (or textile person). I just opted for the Bernina 550 and now have a my old Viking 1+ as my backup machine. One specializes in machine quilting (great for smallish areas) and the latter specializes in embroidery. Both are made in Europe, rather than China where cheap is the watch-word. I chose based on reliability features not present in my other machine. The Viking wouldn't have been replaced if not for the fact that some of the wavemounted connectors on the motherboard and video controller had vibrated loose over the 15 yrs of moderately heavy use developed shorts. My electrical-engr husband debugged resoldered them saving me $600+ in repairs. (The repair shop guy was going to replace the boards, rather than do the inexpensive repair.) For those with gobs more money lots of space, I've just gotten started with the full size CNC controlled HandiStitcher quilting machine at TechShop (http://www.techshop.ws/) which can handle quilts as wide as 120. Wow, what fun! I'm hoping for a few quilted petticoats in my future. Happy machine shopping to the rest of you, --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Techshop quilting, etc
They had the Austin and Raleigh ones listed on the website. Hopefully, they will venture down into central Florida. I bookmarked their website so I'll check back every once in a while. :) I can think of so many crafts that I could try there without having to waste money on equipment I may not use: woodworking, jewelry casting, big sewing jobs, etc. Teena From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Techshop quilting, etc You're right, that's pretty much the charm of the place, that it's a clubhouse for powertool users. I can be found at San Jose Menlo Park Techshops. They're planning on expanding countrywide, including Raleigh-Durham Austin, I think. Look for one in/near Crystal City (Wash DC area) in Feb 2013. (FWIW, in the spirit of full disclosure, I do have had a business relationship with them for 6 years.) --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: Wow what a great place! Too bad they don't have one in Florida. It would be a great place to try out certain crafts (like woodworking) without having to buy all of the equipment. Teena From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 1:38 PM snip For those with gobs more money lots of space, I've just gotten started with the full size CNC controlled HandiStitcher quilting machine at TechShop (http://www.techshop.ws/) which can handle quilts as wide as 120. Wow, what fun! I'm hoping for a few quilted petticoats in my future. Happy machine shopping to the rest of you, --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stupid question
I purchased my rotary pinker at Joanns. It is an Olfa and seems to be pretty commonly found. I've only used it on long strips that are going to be ruched decoration (18th century). I much prefer the shears for most jobs. Teena From: Franchesca Havas franchesca.ha...@gmail.com To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stupid question Most likely, you do. :) Most folks do not know where to purchase them so post the link if you know it! :D Franchesca -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kim Baird Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 8:23 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stupid question Am I the only one who has a pinking blade for my rotary cutter? Beats the H out of pinking shears. Kim -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Land of Oz Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 9:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stupid question although I'm beginning to think buying a new pair of Fiskars on sale every time my pinking shears get dull might be much less of a hassle (though wasteful). --Rachel You could always donate them to a school or teacher. They will still cut paper even when they are long past cutting fabric. Denise ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stupid question
I have a pair of Fiskers and have never had any problem, but I think I have only used them on silk taffeta and plain cotton. Maybe your technique is ok but the fabric just doesn't want to cooperate? Teena From: Lauren Walker lauren.wal...@comcast.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 12:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] Stupid question Hi, costumers, I do lots of sewing things. But I can't get pinking shears to work for me. I have a new pair of Ginghers and an old pair my brother used all the time in his various design and sewing businesses, so they must have worked for him. I would believe they might need sharpening, but I doubt the Ginghers do yet, and both do the same thing, so I think it is my (lack of) technique. The shears do not make a nice zigzag cut. They kind of squish and shred the fabric, and sometimes don't even cut. I am pretty sure the Ginghers are as sharp as they're supposed to be; but I actually have somewhat better luck with my brother's old shears. Does the fabric have to be under tension or something? Thanks! Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.wal...@comcast.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Liquid soap for hand washing
Patty said: My mother always used to save the last bits of the Ivory bar put them in a jar with some water. She'd use the goop to hand wash things. My grandmother did this too. :) I just use Woolite. I've never had reason to switch (at least yet), but I'll remember the suggestions here if I ever do. Teena From: Rickard, Patty ricka...@mountunion.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Liquid soap for hand washing My mother always used to save the last bits of the Ivory bar put them in a jar with some water. She'd use the goop to hand wash things. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Genie Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:50 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Liquid soap for hand washing My mother and I both have used Ivory soap. Shred the bar and a little goes a long way. -Original Message- From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com Sent: Aug 20, 2012 2:50 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Liquid soap for hand washing What's everyone using for hand washing clothes? I hand wash my modern lingerie, some delicate modern clothes, and vintage clothes. I am not looking for an archival product. I am wondering if I should switch from Woolite, although for no special reason, really. Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sewing Machines
Then I guess I hit the lottery 4 times in a row because all of my Singers have been purchased since 1990 and I haven't had a single problem. ;-) And even if I had gotten a bad one, I could buy 50 Singer sewing machines for the price of that one $10K machine.I'm sure it sews magnificantly (it should for that price) and I can see if you sew for a living, but I can't imagine a $10K machine is practical for most hobby sewers. Teena From: Simone Bryan cil...@dracolore.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:13 PM Subject: [h-cost] Sewing Machines Wow, 21K for a Bernina? My Viking is top of the line and I spent $9,999 for it! Admittedly I spent more for the embroidery program but that was $2,500 complete. My Diamond is mostly metal still, will sew through 6 layers or more (Have not tried more yet) of twill and upholstery fabrics. Singers What I can say? Is that Singer was sold quite a while ago, and does not have the standard that it used to have so if you have one from the 1970's and back? Keep them they are worth gold, if you have purchased Singers in the recent past and they are working? Then you have won the lotteryyes they are made in China now, and have many plastic parts that are of a lower grade. If I could afford one I would get a Juki, it simply sews. Cilean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] serger review?
I know lots of people go fancy... But I love my brother serger like the dickens! It is a 4 thread machine and threads up like a dream. I rarely need to adjust it even after moving it from UK to US last February. It just goes and goes and goes! Teena From: Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:32 AM Subject: [h-cost] serger review? I need to replace my serger and would welcome use/quality comments by brand name-- from people who have bought a new serger in the last year, please! Leaning toward Bernina Imagine. I have not used a serger in 10 years and am looking forward to the technology improvements since then! I used to own a Pfaff, which I liked, but the thread tree broke and is unavailable for that model le sigh I don't serge on historicals, but I sew my mundanes and anything else that isn't nailed down. ==Marjorie Wilser @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] sewing machines
I know I'll be unpopular, but I have always had a Singer sewing machine. I've upgraded and replaced them but never because the machine stopped working. I now have 3 Singers. I had 4 but I gave away my oldest one to some college kids who wanted to start costuming. One I keep as a backup machine in case I have several people over to sew or in case something ever happened to my other machines. It stays in the box, in other words. I do most of my sewing on my 621B (I think that is the number looking at the machine's label thingie, it is teal green and white) that I bought a few years ago and my Futura C250. I hear everyone raving about some of the more expensive machines, but I already have those features on the Singers and I didn't pay $3000 for a machine either. ;-) Teena From: Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] sewing machines Went with a friend to look at new sewing machines. We hit a Bernina store because we were in the hood. My brain boggled at the prices (21K for ALL the bellses whistles). . . Is anybody else shopping and what are your parameters for a great sewing machine that won't break the bank? (I'm now interested in a serger, so I'll start a parallel thread). ==Marjorie Wilser (whose beloved Pfaff is working just fine, thank you!) @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Brassiere assistance sought
I don't know of any email lists, but I just googled bra construction and the first page seems to all be sites about actual bra construction, patterns, etc. Hope this helps. Teena From: lili...@earthlink.net lili...@earthlink.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] Brassiere assistance sought Does anyone know of a trustworthy bra building e-mail list? Some of my searches turn up rather... uh... inappropriately salacious boards. I would also like to find some of the materials needed to fix some bras or build new ones from scratch. I am in the US. Thanks Lilinah ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Amster Amster dam dam dam
I have been there a few times, but haven't found a lot for historic costume, unfortunately. However, I'd like to recommend a restaurant that is so delicious. We always eat there when we visit. The name is Kantjil de Tijger. It is an Indonesian restaurant. Indonesian cuisine is very much a part of Amsterdam's culture. You go there and get what they call a rice table (rijsttafels) which is a bunch of dishes so that you get a sample of a lot of different foods. Delicious! http://kantjil.nl/en/ Around the corner is the beginhof, which is where the beguines (unofficial nuns) lived. During the protestant reformation, it was the only catholic institution allowed to exist. It no longer houses beguines but is, I think, the oldest inner court in Amsterdam. It is well worth a view and is right around the corner from the restaurant listed above. I found a wiki article about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begijnhof,_Amsterdam No matter what you end up seeing and doing, you are going to love Amsterdam. Teena From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com To: H-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 12:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Amster Amster dam dam dam Speaking of business travel, I have to go to Amsterdam for a trade show. Frustratingly, the endless Rijksmuseum renovation is still not complete. Are there any other places in around town that might please a historical costumer? Thanks, all! --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] historical costume books
Yeah the Herald book sells for hundreds of dollars. Teena From: Franchesca Havas franchesca.ha...@gmail.com To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical costume books You have two books that I immediately recognize to be very hot items to put on eBay. QEWU (make sure to post what printing year it is, one is worth twice the other) and Renaissance Dress in Italy. :) Franchesca -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Zakhour Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:14 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical costume books I don't have a full catalog, but I have some nice books that have been barely used. I haven't researched/figured out prices yet. But here are some: Outcasts: Vol I by Ruth Mellinkoff Outcasts: Vol 2 by Ruth Mellinkoff The Hermitage, Leningrad: Gothic Renaissance Tapestries Late Gothic Europe, 1400-1500 by Margaret Scott Textiles and Clothing 1150-1450 by Elisabeth Crowfoot (et al) Renaissance Dress in Italy 1400-1500 by Jacqueline Herald Medieval Tapestries by Cavallo The Art of Embroidery by Marie Schette The English Icon by Roy Strong Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd I have many others and many that cover more modern eras. But this may be the most interesting list to folks on this forum. On 7/24/12 5:56 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: Here. (grin) What have you got? Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Zakhour Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] historical costume books I have been a long time lurker on this forum. :) I need to raise some money and want to sell off some historical costuming books. Other than ebay, is there a good place to sell books of this type? Thanks. ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Interesting underwear find
Agreed that it is more interesting than the Daily Mail story, but unfortunately not the one which will stick in the average person's mind. ;-) One of the places that had gotten the Daily Mail stories linked to that. Medievalists maybe? Teena From: Marie Stewart maric...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting underwear find The Daily Mail Article is 'interesting' but the more interesting piece is the summary of the presentation from the NESAT conference. You can find it here. http://www.nesat.org/abstracts/lecture_nutz.pdf I sent out both links initially, but not to HCost, ah well. There's more information out there. I'm still finding items on it. Bridgette On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: I tried to read the BBC story but you have to have a subscription, unfortunately. However, I did notice that every news story out there seemed to stem from the Daily Mail story. And that is too bad. I am not discounting the importance of the find and the resulting research that will be available. That is awesome. What I find annoying is all of the headlines and news stories that say Medieval women wore skimpy linen bras and knickers. Teena From: Kate Bunting k.m.bunt...@derby.ac.uk To: h-cost...@indra.com h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting underwear find ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Interesting underwear find
I tried to read the BBC story but you have to have a subscription, unfortunately. However, I did notice that every news story out there seemed to stem from the Daily Mail story. And that is too bad. I am not discounting the importance of the find and the resulting research that will be available. That is awesome. What I find annoying is all of the headlines and news stories that say Medieval women wore skimpy linen bras and knickers. Teena From: Kate Bunting k.m.bunt...@derby.ac.uk To: h-cost...@indra.com h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting underwear find Teena wrote: The article was in the Daily Mail. It was probably right next to an article about seeing the Virgin Mary on a pancake and having an alien as a brother in law. ? Teena But it does refer to an article in the August issue of BBC History Magazine, which should be more authoritative. Any UK list members have access to this? Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor _ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Interesting Underwear find
The article was in the Daily Mail. It was probably right next to an article about seeing the Virgin Mary on a pancake and having an alien as a brother in law. Teena From: Linda Rice vm...@cox.net To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting Underwear find What you say is certainly true... even the article's title is misleading. I see no lacey lingerie, but I suppose that's what it takes to grab the average reader today. But it's still interesting, and I'd love to see photos of other pieces in this discovery. Any leads on that? ::Linda:: -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting Underwear find This article is getting some discussion in other places. It's a shame the author (or whoever provided the information to the author) makes so many assumptions. For instance, the pictured garment described as a bra appears to be fragments of a much larger item -- look at the part surviving at the lower left side of the garment (right side of the photo) with eyelets at the side and a waist-level edge at the bottom, which might have been attached to a skirt. (The shaped cups are cool, though! I can see that in 15th c. German costume.) And as Heather Rose Jones pointed out in a conversation elsewhere, the string-bikini knickers bear a strong resemblance to men's underwear seen in 15th c. German artwork. The article, however, assumes they belonged to women, although there's no context to determine the wearer. --Robin On 7/17/2012 9:55 AM, Linda Rice wrote: Just read this really interesting article on a discovery of 15th century undergarments in Austria. Never say never things really are being dug up every day! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2174568/Found-castle-vault-scraps- lace-lingerie-rage-500-years-ago.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Interesting Underwear find
While I disagree with the sensationalized depiction in the Daily Mail article (Hey look! Medieval times had modern bras!), I do look forward to seeing the actual research done on the items. It could be very interesting! Teena From: Ginni Morgan ginni.mor...@doj.ca.gov To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting Underwear find http://www.nesat.org/abstracts/lecture_nutz.pdf The above link is to the abstract for the archaeologist's presentation at NESAT 2011. I look forward to seeing further publication of the finds. It looks really interesting. Ginni Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com 7/17/12 10:52 AM The article was in the Daily Mail. It was probably right next to an article about seeing the Virgin Mary on a pancake and having an alien as a brother in law. Teena From: Linda Rice vm...@cox.net To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting Underwear find What you say is certainly true... even the article's title is misleading. I see no lacey lingerie, but I suppose that's what it takes to grab the average reader today. But it's still interesting, and I'd love to see photos of other pieces in this discovery. Any leads on that? ::Linda:: -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting Underwear find This article is getting some discussion in other places. It's a shame the author (or whoever provided the information to the author) makes so many assumptions. For instance, the pictured garment described as a bra appears to be fragments of a much larger item -- look at the part surviving at the lower left side of the garment (right side of the photo) with eyelets at the side and a waist-level edge at the bottom, which might have been attached to a skirt. (The shaped cups are cool, though! I can see that in 15th c. German costume.) And as Heather Rose Jones pointed out in a conversation elsewhere, the string-bikini knickers bear a strong resemblance to men's underwear seen in 15th c. German artwork. The article, however, assumes they belonged to women, although there's no context to determine the wearer. --Robin On 7/17/2012 9:55 AM, Linda Rice wrote: Just read this really interesting article on a discovery of 15th century undergarments in Austria. Never say never things really are being dug up every day! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2174568/Found-castle-vault-scraps- lace-lingerie-rage-500-years-ago.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Nell Gwyn
To me it sounds a bit like what you see so often at a renn faire. Her smock with a sleeveless bodice over it and a skirt. Teena From: Linda Walton linda.wal...@dsl.pipex.com To: h-cost...@indra.com h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: [h-cost] Nell Gwyn I found this in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography: Pepys saw Nell again on 1 May 1667, standing at her lodgings' door in Drury Lane (off Bridges Street, the site of the King's Theatre), ‘in her smock sleeves and bodice … she seemed a mighty pretty creature’ (Pepys, 8.193). Please, I'd very much like to know what Nell Gwyn was wearing: can anyone suggest an illustration which might help? Linda Walton. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Nell Gwyn
From what I understand about her, she wouldn't be one to wear the at home dress. She was much less formal. ;-) Teena From: R Lloyd Mitchell rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nell Gwyn What was 'undress' in this time period re at home...or stage door expectation -Original Message- From: Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com Sent 7/10/2012 6:06:19 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nell GwynTo me it sounds a bit like what you see so often at a renn faire. Her smock with a sleeveless bodice over it and a skirt. ? Teena From: Linda Walton linda.wal...@dsl.pipex.com To: h-cost...@indra.com h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: [h-cost] Nell Gwyn I found this in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography: Pepys saw Nell again on 1 May 1667, standing at her lodgings' door in Drury Lane (off Bridges Street, the site of the King's Theatre), ?in her smock sleeves and bodice ? she seemed a mighty pretty creature? (Pepys, 8.193). Please, I'd very much like to know what Nell Gwyn was wearing:? can anyone suggest an illustration which might help? Linda Walton. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
As support to my statement that the whip is the driver of the coach. Here is a website about an event in Newport which sounds lovely: http://www.newportmansions.org/events/a-weekend-of-coaching A quote from the text on that website: All seating is outside, with the driver, known as a whip, sitting in the slightly elevated right front seat, and the whip’s wife or female relative taking up the “box seat” on the left. Teena From: penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] What is a Whip? I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ http://www.costumegallery.com/ 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip?
The whip is the one driving the coach. The dress only apply if he is the host and not a hired/employed coachman. Teena From: penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] What is a Whip? I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ http://www.costumegallery.com/ 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Known World Costuming Symposium
I went to one several years ago before we moved to England. I very much enjoyed it. Our own Robin Netherton was one of the lecturers that year. Where is it being held this year? Teena From: Simone Bryan cil...@dracolore.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Known World Costuming Symposium Since I am not going to Costume College for the first time in like 12 years, because I was going to Pennsic, however? The prices on airfare has made that almost impossible So in November? In Chicago I was wondering if anyone was going to the SCA's Known World Costuming Symposium? And has anyone been to one and did they enjoy themselves? Cilean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] mid to late 15th century English women's clothing
Not sure how many images are out there for England during that period. I heard that it was because so many were destroyed... something associated with the war. Not sure if that is true or not. I was briefly associated with a 15th century group (didn't join as we found out we were moving away) and they were portraying the lower social classes. For them, you would go back a few years in style as it trickled down to them. So if you are thinking of a period contemporary with the E Woodville portrait, you would not do the curved coller (unless you were very high class and fashionable) but the straight V as seen in the Burgundian portraits. For fabric on the lower classes, it was wool dresses trimmed in wool. For a little higher on the social scale, you might trim the wool gown in velvet as that would be very posh. Hope this helps! Teena From: Elizabeth W elizabeth.r.walp...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] mid to late 15th century English women's clothing I'm seeking images of mid to late 15th century (Yorkist or early Henry VII era) women's clothing in England Thus far the only portrait I've found is Elizabeth Woodville http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElizabethWoodville.JPG I like that slightly rounded neckline and the contrasting collar but I'm hoping to try for something that would be more plausible lower down the social scale e.g. gentry level best dress I've found some brass rubbings e.g. http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/page245.html http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1406326 http://professor-moriarty.com/info/section/church-monument-art/15th-century-church-monuments-thomas-andrewes-brass-church-charwelton-no but they don't really help with fabric choice. I'm trying to find more examples so that I can work out if Elizabeth Woodville's use of a plain fabric for the gown and a fancier fabric for the collar and cuffs is normal or an anomaly and especially if matching her mini hennin to the collar and cuffs is normal (as I've got about 1/2 yd of silk which should just cover the collar and cuffs but won't manage the hat as well) -- -- Elizabeth Walpole http://magpiecostumer.wordpress.com/ http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Source for silk noil
http://www.thaisilks.com/ has a great selection and are very good about sending swatches and such. I used to buy from them a few years ago and the quality was excellent. Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] Source for silk noil I don't want it for costuming, but for regular clothes. But who is selling a large color selection online these days? Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing patterns www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Irons
I have a Rowenta and I love it. But I don't really use it much with water in it. I prefer to use a bottle to spray water as I iron so that I can use lavender ironing water. It smells so nice! Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dressmakers dummy
1. One that can actually be shaped like you. Many of us can never be matched with the hard dial type ones. 2. One that you can push pins into My recommendation is for the Uniquely You dress form. It is made of hard foam and you fit the fabric cover to your body (they include instructions for this). Then you put the cover on the form and it squishes into place to be shaped by you. The fitting of the cover can be a bit of a pain, but well worth it in the end. Teena From: Rachel Stimson restim...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] Dressmakers dummy Does anyone have any advice on what to look out for when purchasing a dress makers dummy. My mother has offered to buy me one in exchange for remaking a jacket for my sisters wedding. I am in the UK. Thanks Rachel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dressmakers dummy
That is a good idea. I'll have to check that out. My plan was to get another Uniquely You and have one fitted to my normal shape and one fitted to my corsetted shape. But my weight is in transition as I lose the weight I put on during an ankle injury/surgery that kept me mostly immobile for over a year. So maybe that is another option. Thanks for the info! :) Teena From: Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressmakers dummy The last issue of Threads had a tutorial on how to make a sloper for a body (and then use it) by padding up a smaller dress dummy for a perfect fit!! Pretty awesome for folks who sew for a variety of body shapes. Sg On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: 1. One that can actually be shaped like you. Many of us can never be matched with the hard dial type ones. 2. One that you can push pins into My recommendation is for the Uniquely You dress form. It is made of hard foam and you fit the fabric cover to your body (they include instructions for this). Then you put the cover on the form and it squishes into place to be shaped by you. The fitting of the cover can be a bit of a pain, but well worth it in the end. Teena From: Rachel Stimson restim...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] Dressmakers dummy Does anyone have any advice on what to look out for when purchasing a dress makers dummy. My mother has offered to buy me one in exchange for remaking a jacket for my sisters wedding. I am in the UK. Thanks Rachel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- -Sg- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
I'm working on finishing two UFO GFDs. All that is left is hems and about a zillion button holes. Teena From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com To: H-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? It's that time of year: spring parties, summer balls, summer theater season, LARPs, historic recreation events, costume conventions fandom. You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale or a historic site. Whatever the reason, h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something marvelous on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's in your design sketchbook, on the worktable, at the sewing machine or in the embroidery hoop. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
GFD= gothic fitted dress (sometimes referred to as cotehardie or kirtle). I believe Robin Netherton came up with the term. Teena From: annbw...@aol.com annbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? GFDs ??? Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Fri, May 18, 2012 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? I'm working on finishing two UFO GFDs. All that is left is hems and about a zillion button holes. Teena From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com To: H-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? It's that time of year: spring parties, summer balls, summer theater season, LARPs, historic recreation events, costume conventions fandom. You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale or a historic site. Whatever the reason, h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something marvelous on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's in your design sketchbook, on the worktable, at the sewing machine or in the embroidery hoop. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Finding Real Starch
Amazon.com has all of this stuff too. Teena From: Sharon Henderson henderson.sha...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: [h-cost] Finding Real Starch Hi folks, The eBay seller chick1154 sells Kershaw's Laundry Starch in 200g bags; they're in the UK with reasonable prices and shipping. They also carry Argo Laundry Starch. Argo is also available through lehmans.com in the US. Lehman's carries genuine lye soap, too. :) Have fun! Sharon (Jasta, Meli, 'hey, you!!') ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Grrrrr ... !
My husband says the same thing! He says that they cancel the good stuff because it is too much work to keep restocking. :) Teena From: Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gr ... ! wow does that sound familiar... the secret computer report on what MY household buys, so they can quit carrying exactly those items! oh, and my DH's theory that the MOST POPULAR items are highly likely to get dropped, because it's so much bother re-stocking the popular stuff all the time... customers keep buying and emptying the shelves, so we have to work harder to keep these items in stock -- nah, let's drop 'em save ourselves the work and when some national corp. giant buys out your local chain and replaces LOCAL products with house-brand stuff from wherever they are home-based. chimene (where Kroger from the MidWest bought Fred Meyer of Oregon and wrought all sorts of havoc; and where local WINCO chain is expanding into CA and wreaking all sorts of havoc with their stock as they lower and lower the common denominator, dropping NW local products for stuff that they can get in greater volume, because of the CA store explosion) On May 16, 2012, at 4:52 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: And superfine sugar, and tarragon vinegar, and . . . . Heard a woman the other day swear that our largest local chain deliberately goes through and quits carrying x items a month that she buys all the time. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Overseas exhibitions?
I don't know of any costume collections in those towns specifically, but when you are Lucca be sure to see... I don't know what it is called, but it is a collection of buildings built in a circle. It is very cool! The town is darling. You'll like it. :) A few years ago I stayed in Montecatini and visited a few of the nearby towns. That was one of my favorites. Teena From: Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] Overseas exhibitions? I'm going to traveling from Geneva to Lucca to Rothenfels to Geneva in late May/early June. Does anyone know of any historical costume collections enroute that I can visit? Many thanks, Aylwen -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy http://www.earthlydelights.com.au * *Jane Austen Festival Australia* http://www.janeaustenfestival.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1865 hair nets/snoods
I'm not sure if you mean patterns for making the netting part of the snoods or for the decorated snoods. If it is the latter, Butterick put out a pattern of different styles of snoods suitable for civil war. I haven't compared them specifically to Godey's or anything but a few of them looked like something I had seen there. Even if they aren't perfectly accurate, they could be a good starting point. http://butterick.mccall.com/b5663-products-14513.php?page_id=385 If you are looking for non big 3 patterns, check Amazon Drygood's patterns. They are online now. I was looking through those a couple of weeks ago and I think they had some headwear patterns. http://www.amazondrygoods.com/patterns/ If you meant the netting patterns, I got nothing. ;-) Teena From: Hansen, Lia lia.han...@vanguard.edu To: h-cost...@indra.com h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1865 hair nets/snoods I am looking for a pattern or a link to one for snoods/hair nets from around 1865. Thanks! Lia lia.han...@vanguard.edu Vanguard University ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Silk noil
I've always gotten it from Thai Silks. http://www.thaisilks.com/index.php?cPath=1_21 They also have a wholesale store (Exotic Silks) for those who buy larger quantities. http://www.exoticsilks.com/index.php?cPath=1_21osCsid=cha05th5ar0ej0h1u9jnqtev56 Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] Silk noil Where is a good online source for reasonably priced silk noil these days? Thanks! Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cedar chips/moths
The moths who get into wheat and other foods are a completely different species from moths who eat wool. I found this out when we bought a bag of bird seed that had moth eggs inside. We had a huge infestation in our utility room. It took several months before it was completely gone. I had no idea that there were even moths that ate food. I had to educate myself on them quick! Teena From: cora hendershot wheatgoddes...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cedar chips/moths I have a similar problem with moths in the wheat. I hate to say it but I have gone to the dark side on this topic and I put a Hot Shot No Pest strip in every (airtight) box. I have feathers, too, and this stuff works. Cedar, moth balls, lavendar, not so much. Freezing has to be pretty close to 0 degrees F to really work. 150 degrees F for 2 hours works, too, but not appropriate for feathers. The damn bugs are EVERYWHERE and you can get reinfested all too easily. From: seamst...@juno.com seamst...@juno.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cedar chips/moths I use a couple of tablespoons of whole cloves in those little drawstring organza wedding favor bags in all my boxes of wool/feathers. It seems to work pretty well. There's no staining from the cloves and my clothing has a warm spicey aroma. I'm sure they would work as well for cedar and lavender. Karen -- Original Message -- From: Lynn Downward lynndownw...@gmail.com To: gbacgcostum...@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Cedar chips/moths Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:27:40 -0800 Hi all, We've had an infestation of moths in the house, mostly in my feather collection. I had them all in a (not airtight) plastic container. Thinking that they needed some air, I kept all the vintage feathers carefully wrapped up in tissue. Those feather I didn't care much about were in zip-lock bags and had no moths in them at all. Of course the damage was to the vintage feathers. When I bring feathers home, I always put them in a zip bag and leave them in the freezer for a couple of weeks to kill off any bugs that may already be in them before I add them to my collection. Unfortunately, something went wrong with my plans. After tossing about a third of my collection, I've cleaned the rest and put them back into the freezer. I'll be ready to take them out this weekend. Before I do I want to purchase some cedar chips or a bit of cedar and put them in with the feathers and in my wool boxes (the smell of moth balls makes me nauseous so I'm not going there). SO my question: I understand the oils in the cedar (or lavendar if I decide to use that instead) can stain and I wondered how you have avoided this. Would putting the cedar or lavendar into one layer of muslin keep my fabrics/feathers from being stained and still keep the moths out? Two layers? Thanks for any information you might have, Lynn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Groupon#8482 Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f48011d267aa1a6a333st05duc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cedar chips/moths
Ruthanne, you are so right. And they were disgusting! I walked into the utility room one morning and saw maggots going up the wall. And let me tell you maggots from moths are no less gross than maggots from flies. You could have knocked me over with a feather! Luckily, it was the utility room and not the kitchen, but we still kept a lot of staples in there. We didn't bother trying to save anything. Everything went into the trash. And then we washed every surface of that room. Even though we cleared out every moth/larvae we found, there were some behind cupboards and such. I bought some strips that have a pheramone designed to lure that specific species of moth. It took at least 6 months or more before the strips stayed clean. I think I was lucky that I noticed them right away and they didn't get into other areas of the house. But I see how easily they could. And in my case, the kitched was the next room over. You really have to be careful with what you buy. After that experience, I know exactly what their eggs look like. We bought a box of dog treats a year or so later and I immediately identified moth eggs inside. Into the garbage they went! I was thankful I saw them because that would have been right in the pantry. What a nightmare! Teena From: ruthan...@mindspring.com ruthan...@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cedar chips/moths Very true that the moths that develop from mealworms don't eat fabrics. BUT also true that once they get into your house they are EVERYWHERE in your house, and they are particularly fond of making their cocoons in folds of drapery and other cloth (as well as on the back panels and undersides of furniture and all through your grains), and those cocoons are sticky. If they decided to make cocoons in your feathers, I'd say goodbye to the feathers. Keep your birdseed outdoors in galvanized steel garbage cans, keep your foodstuffs in Mason jars or else put the boxes inside big Ziplock bags. You can freeze the flour etc. if you want, but the best defense is to be able to see the moths or grubs BEFORE they get out into your house. Yes, it can take a year (or more) to clear an infestation once you have it. --RA Baumgartner -Original Message- From: Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com Sent: Feb 27, 2012 11:29 AM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cedar chips/moths The moths who get into wheat and other foods are a completely different species from moths who eat wool. I found this out when we bought a bag of bird seed that had moth eggs inside. We had a huge infestation in our utility room. It took several months before it was completely gone. I had no idea that there were even moths that ate food. I had to educate myself on them quick! Teena From: cora hendershot wheatgoddes...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cedar chips/moths I have a similar problem with moths in the wheat. I hate to say it but I have gone to the dark side on this topic and I put a Hot Shot No Pest strip in every (airtight) box. I have feathers, too, and this stuff works. Cedar, moth balls, lavendar, not so much. Freezing has to be pretty close to 0 degrees F to really work. 150 degrees F for 2 hours works, too, but not appropriate for feathers. The damn bugs are EVERYWHERE and you can get reinfested all too easily. From: seamst...@juno.com seamst...@juno.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cedar chips/moths I use a couple of tablespoons of whole cloves in those little drawstring organza wedding favor bags in all my boxes of wool/feathers. It seems to work pretty well. There's no staining from the cloves and my clothing has a warm spicey aroma. I'm sure they would work as well for cedar and lavender. Karen -- Original Message -- From: Lynn Downward lynndownw...@gmail.com To: gbacgcostum...@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Cedar chips/moths Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:27:40 -0800 Hi all, We've had an infestation of moths in the house, mostly in my feather collection. I had them all in a (not airtight) plastic container. Thinking that they needed some air, I kept all the vintage feathers carefully wrapped up in tissue. Those feather I didn't care much about were in zip-lock bags and had no moths in them at all. Of course the damage was to the vintage feathers. When I bring feathers home, I always put them in a zip bag and leave them in the freezer for a couple of weeks to kill off any bugs that may already be in them before I add them to my collection. Unfortunately, something went wrong with my plans. After tossing about a third of my collection, I've cleaned
Re: [h-cost] nankeen substitute
My impression was always that it was a heavier cotton cloth. It was made into sturdy boots/halfboots for wearing when walking. And men's trousers were made of it. Sheeting would not make very good men's trousers. ;-) I always envisioned it as the weight of a thin denim/twill though not necessarily that weave style. It was originally made from a yellowish/brownish Chinese cotton, but later regular cotton was used and dyed that same color. Teena From: Katy Bishop katybisho...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] nankeen substitute I asked Saundra the same question and she recommended a cotton sheeting. It has to be lightweight. Katy On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Emily Gilbert emchantm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I'm planning to make the Past Patterns 1793-1820 Transition Stay. It says that the stay the pattern was taken from was made in nankeen, and that nankeen is unlike any fabric available in today's market, but doesn't offer any suggestions as to what to use instead. Does anyone know what kind of fabric would give me the closest approximation? Thanks! Emily ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Organizing Hanging Bag System?
Not sure about the hanging part, but ziplock makes some giant ziplock bags. They are pretty sturdy. I use them to organize projects and they come in 3 different sizes. The large is a good size for needlework projects and the xxl is almost big enough for a comforter. http://www.ziploc.com/Products/Pages/BigBags.aspx Teena From: michaeljdeib...@gmail.com michaeljdeib...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Organizing Hanging Bag System? As always seems to happen, my sewing area and supplies have exploded and then forced back into various places thus scattering pieces and supplies for various projects. I'm looking for a sturdy, clear bag that I can hang on a hanger, thereby allowing me to put all supplies, notions, and trims inside and have one bag per project. That way I can sort what I have and see at a glance what I have/still need for that project. I'm sure something like what I want exists but cant seem to find it. Also wondering what everyone uses if it's a better method. As always, I'm looking for economical as well. Any ideas/suggestions? Note: Unless they're small pieces or already cut, I keep fabric on bolts or cardboard so that wouldn't be put in said bags. Michael Deibert OAS AAS LLS Sent from my iPhone ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Renaissance dance costumes
I have to strongly disagree with you, Patricia, about the gowns not looking like Italian ren. If you look at portraits by Ghirlandaio you will see that the gowns (especially the one on the right) are exactly the same. The fabrics are different and the richer ones are obviously a nicer fabric, but same cut. A lot of them are covered by giorneas but you can still make out the gowns underneath. http://www.sai.msu.su/cjackson/ghirlandaio/p-ghirlandaio2.htm http://www.artcyclopedia.org/art/domenico-ghirlandaio-woman.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j7xkQHEYUok/S-e24nMhLOI/DAA/1DsiBpSFoW4/s1600/ghirlandaio_tornabuoni.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_72Z080GKe8A/TQqjHBSg0mI/AWY/g4Js0-tpwlg/s640/ghirlandaio_1490_port_lady_red_bodice.jpg http://www.topofart.com/images/artists/Domenico_Ghirlandaio/paintings/ghirlandaio005.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_72Z080GKe8A/TQqjLw4JHxI/AWg/DPT5w-h7vLk/s1600/Ghirlandaio-Girl.jpg http://www.artbible.net/3JC/-Luk-01,39_Mary%20visits%20Elizabeth_La%20visitation/15%20GHIRLANDAIO%20DOMENICO%20JB%2002%20VISITATION.jpg Teena From: Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance dance costumes Hi Aylwen, Is there some reason you preferred the first pattern? As someone said, it doesn't look much like -my- idea of Italian Renn. looks almost German to me, but my DH says it just looks real middle class (on the right) and lower class (the serving woman on the left). The overgown and sectional sleeve elements are what look upper class to most folks, I think. scale will be important in the stage decor parts... things DO need to be larger scale to register, but not so much bigger that they look chees-y. on the problem of short doublets tights... 1) proper short-short doublets would probably NOT be fast or easy to make. 2) take a look at the guy on the left here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Botticelli_magi_detail.jpg that red tabard-y/houpeland-y thing would be MUCH easier to do, the blue-gray sleeves would be much easier to do and tie on to some kind of simple base under the red, and, IMPORTANT, look how long the red thing is! covers delicate bits!!! 3) take a look at florentine-persona.com, some good pics of the giornea (tabard-y thing) in period sources, and even longer than the red Botticelli; AND on the closet page, made up on a real person's body! and that's just what I found in a half-hour of thrashing around teh google. good luck! chimene On Nov 7, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden wrote: Dear H-cost list I have to make 20 costumes for an upcoming Italian renaissance performance and have been thinking about using http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/products/rh509-1470s-1500-florentine-womans-outfit-1#. Can you think of different ways we can decorate these gowns so they don't all look the same? Plus they need to look grand because we will be on stage under lights. I am still working out what to dress the men in, and fear they will not want to wear short doublets and tights :(( *Aylwen* * * *Aylwen's Historical Costumes* www.aylwen.com http://aylwen.blogspot.com * * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy* www.earthlydelights.com.au http://edhda.eventbrite.com * * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Uniquely you replacement cover
I second the recommendation of Atlanta Thread. I bought my Uniquely You from there and they were wonderful to work with (I had special shipping requirements). And they also have great sales on other stuff if you want to sign up for their email flyer. Teena From: Katy Bishop katybisho...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Uniquely you replacement cover Don't know this company but Atlanta Thread Supply, a reputable company (good for notions) has them for $33.95 http://store.atlantathread.com/unyoudrfo1.html Katy On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: Ladies gents, I'm in the market for a new cover for a recent adopted Uniquely You dressmakers dummy. A friend pulled her out of a dumpster. She's been washed in the process the cover shredded must be replaced. I'd shop locally but there's no one near who seems to carry covers only. I'm forced to check online. Does anyone have info, good or bad about this vendor? http://www.sewvacdirect.com/uniquelyyou-cvr5.html The price is pretty reasonable. I've never heard of them before. In the meantime, I see about finding a replacement stand for her. Thanks all! --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Converting a Sack Style Men's Dress Coat to a Frock Style Men's Dress Coat
If remaking the sack suit doesn't work, fashionfabricsclub.com is having a sale on wool this week. Wool coating is going for $11.95. Teena From: Angelique Carlson subversivey...@me.com To: h-cost...@indra.com h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] Converting a Sack Style Men's Dress Coat to a Frock Style Men's Dress Coat My son loves frock style coats and I'd love to make him one for Winter. Wool coating is fairly expensive, and I am hoping that it would be possible to alter a sack style coat from a nearby thrift store. Do you think it's possible? Thanks in advance, Angelique ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] mystery term
This is the only reference I could find for it. (at the bottom) http://www.vintage123.com/?p=932 Teena From: Astrida Schaeffer astr...@schaefferarts.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 2:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] mystery term Anyone ever heard of a hesitation hem??? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1975-76 - Prom dresses/formal gowns
If you google Prom 1975 and then filter it so that you just see the images, there are tons of prom pictures. :) From: Sheridan shaneandsheri...@sympatico.ca To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 3:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1975-76 - Prom dresses/formal gowns Does anyone have a good resource of photos of dress styles popular at the time? I have a vague recollection of what my cousins wore to their graduations, but need the visual reminders - I've managed to block most of the fashions of the 70's out of my mind. :0) Sheridan P ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Venting a bit: sourcing
On the About Me page it gives this email address: makingpatt...@gmail.com Teena From: Galadriel galadrielfi...@yahoo.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] Venting a bit: sourcing I was looking up notched collar drafts online just so I don't have to produce my own for a class I'm teaching and came across this site: http://www.pattern-making.com/men-notch-collar/ It really irks me that this woman takes her draft, charts, and diagrams straight out of Masaaki Kawashima's book (FUNDAMENTALS OF MEN'S FASHION DESIGN), doesn't credit him, and then puts her own watermark all over it like it is hers. And I can't even find a place on this website to send her an e-mail to tell her what I think about it. I wouldn't even care so much if she just credited her source. Grr. --Rachel (back to lurking now, thanks.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] split drawers
Which is why I love the cage crinoline so much more than a regular crinoline. That doesn't happen. It folds nicely. :) I bet they felt the same! Teena From: WorkroomButtons.com westvillagedrap...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] split drawers Ah... that makes perfect sense. When she was not quite 12, my daughter was a jr. docent in a hoop skirt. Let's just say sitting down, um... modestly was a challenge. I had forgotten all about that experience! Dede --- On Wed, 9/14/11, Ann Catelli elvestoor...@yahoo.com wrote: If you have a lampshade slightly loose on its harp, press down on one side. The other side goes Flying up. The crinoline does the same thing, if not managed carefully. Even the most ladylike of persons might fall. Drawers are definitely needed. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes
But that doesn't mean the costumes aren't excessive! Ann Wass Isn't that the point? Would we all be discussing the picture galleries if they weren't excessive? Heck, would there even be picture galleries if that wasn't the case? ;-) Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dressing pins for 19th cdresses
www.dressu2012.com Teena From: Lynn Downward lynndownw...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, August 16, 2011 2:14:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dressing pins for 19th cdresses Dress U? Please give us more information - where and when at the very least, a website if at all possible. thanks, LynnD On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Lisa A Ashton lis...@juno.com wrote: It's becasue of this discussion list thatI even know what to be on the lookout for! I have learned so much, and had so much fun making Victorian dresses and trying to make them with the authentic look. I hope to see many of you at Dress U. next spring. I'll be giving a talk on using original 19th C. Photographs as fashion sources, and I hope to gather a decent number of artifactss to set up a sort of mini-exhibit there. Yours in cosutming,Lisa A On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:30:25 -0400 penn...@costumegallery.com writes: WOW Lisa what a great find! Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/10749841596157 9 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Sewing Apps - was Where is everyone hanging out these days?
Penny said: If I was tech savvy enough (and I am not), I would develop apps for costuming. There you go...someone smart enough go for it! Just send me a thank you card when you are rich! I love apps! They have great apps for sewing though. Unfortunately they are only for the iPhone (definitely an opportunity for anyone who knows how to program android apps). This is actually why I bought the iPhone over the other one I was looking at (LG Optimus). I have 3 apps: Fabric Stash, Pattern Pal and Sewing Kit. Fabric Stash is what you would expect. It is a place to store what you have in your stash including non-fabric items (database). You can take pictures with your iPhone to have an accompanying photo with the entry for each fabric. Pattern Pal is the same as above except for patterns. I bought the two of those first but then a friend (one from LJ! lol) suggested Sewing Kit. It does what both of the other apps do, fabric and pattern databasing, plus it also has a section for people where you can store all of the measurements for an individual and a project database so that you can store the particulars for a specific project. All of the dictionaries for pattern companies, notion types, fabric types, measurement types, etc can be customized. I am not using Pattern Pal at all because I like the way Sewing Kit does the patterns. However, I think I will probably use Fabric Stash to store my fabrics because they also have a way to store non-fabric notions of which I have way too many. :D But I haven't started putting in my stash yet so I may end up doing the fabric and trims in sewing kit and then the notions in fabric stash. My fabric stash is out of control and takes up a room. I hope I don't break the phone! I am excited about the process though because many things lurk because I forget they are there. This is a great way to reacquaint myself with what is living on my shelves. And a great process for weeding out what I will never use. And considering that I have several large projects that are starting soon, including a gorgeous Titanic era gown, and will be fabric shopping in other countries, having my stash in the palm of my hand will be a godsend. Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Scaled drawings of original garments
How about period sources like La Mode Illustree, Godey's Lady's Book, Harper's Bazar, etc? Also on ebay you can often find original period magazines with patterns. :) Teena From: Maggie Halberg hhalb94...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, August 8, 2011 5:48:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] Scaled drawings of original garments I'm teaching a workshop on how to scale up patterns of original garments that have been drawn out such as the ones you see from Janet Arnold. I'm trying to compile a lit of sources for these patterns. Other than the usual suspects of Janet Arnold and Jean Hunnisette does anyone have any sources for these types of patterns? Maggie Halberg -Original Message- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com To: h-costume h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:46 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? On 08/08/2011 01:08 AM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have found it. I found the H-costume list website by searching the web shortly after I got a real browser (i.e., one that could handle graphics well) in 2001, and that's when I signed up. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com Beware how you take away hope from another human being. --Oliver Wendell Holmes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
I joined sometime between 2002 and 2003 because I was living in Atlanta at the time. Does anyone else mark time by where they lived? Gotta love the army! Anyway, I don't remember where I heard about this list. I just remember that it had something to do with Robin Netherton. I don't know if she mentioned it somewhere or it came up doing an internet search for research. I took a costuming hiatus for a couple of years around 2005 so didn't really pay much attention to posts on this list. It goes to its own folder so sometimes I just let them accumulate. But every so often I would go back to reading regularly. Teena On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 01:08:13 -0400 penn...@costumegallery.com writes: So here are the questions...how did you find the h-costume email list? And what year did you join? It will be really interesting how the newbies have found it. I found it as one of two costume email lists in 1996 on AOL. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/10749841596157 9 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
There is actually a large and thriving historic costuming community. I just don't think they are represented on this list. With no insult intended for anyone, I think what is dying is this list rather than historic costuming/reenactment community. Of all of the people I know in my own worldwide costuming circle (that sounded rather self-important lol but you know what I meant), I think only 1 is on this list. There are others who I know as friends of friends or by seeing them posting on communities that are on this list (Like Susan Farmer and Kimiko), but for the most part, they are not represented here either. Some were and left for various reasons and now are active on other mediums. Though I have not been vocal for long stretches of time, I have been on this list for about 7 or 8 years. I know many of you have been around for much longer. And I am sure that this was once the best place for everyone to congregate and share and explore the topic together. But as technology has moved forward, email lists are a dying breed. Teena From: A. Thurman athur...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sun, August 7, 2011 4:23:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? snip I don't think costuming is going out of style - far from it. Younger people tend not to do historic costuming, but there does seem to be a huge interest in sci-fi/anime character costuming (cosplay) and events/mailing lists/other internet to match. Could be we're just not seeing them here. snip Allison T. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
Lots of people on blogs. From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 8:37:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? For well over a year, I've been noticing a relative scarcity of posts on pretty much every costume-related mailing list and bulletin board of which I am a member (several dozen). Many of these groups, including h-costume, were formerly very active. The general, noncostume sewing groups are an exception--they seem to be as active as ever. I don't really consider Facebook a substitute because their message limits and format don't cater to either long messages or complicated interchanges. Is costuming going out of style, as it were? Is reenactment less popular? Are people traveling less to events because of the recession, therefore making fewer outfits for attending events, therefore not discussing those projects? Is everyone hanging out on new lists I've never heard of? Where ARE all the costumers hanging out, if not on h-costume? Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open as the format of it is more conducive to community. Teena From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days?
No, it doesn't really work like that. All of my costuming friends on LJ, of which there are many, post similar to a handwritten diary. So some days it is about how they can't get a seam right and the next day it is about their cat or whatever. (Some people have separate journals for personal and costuming, some mix both into one). It is a diary not an official blog like, say, The Duchess of Devonshire's Gossip Guide to the 18th Century or Perez Hilton or whatever. All of us comment on each others diary posts both costume related and not. We have a friends page which lists all of the posts our friends have made. It is a very strong support system of like minded individuals. So for example, where on the h-cost list, you could email and say Oh look at this new book about warnshnaggles that I found today! and people would respond to it. One of us could post to our LJ the same message and all of them respond to it. Same for asking for help on how to fix a wrinkled corset or bodice that is pulling under the arms or whatever. In addition to personal journals like that, there are communties such as dressdiaries or lamodeillustree or costumesnark or whatever. There are tons of them. They are groups where any member can post something related to the specific community and the members of that community can comment on them. These will show up on the above mentioned friends lists if you want. From: Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 10:26:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Beteena, I've read a fair number of LJ posts. I still think both LJ and other blog formats work like this: One person (or a group of people who have assembled for the long term specifically to post the blog entries) posts on a regular and/or frequent basis. The post is like a short magazine article or essay. Then, other people comment on the post. Many of the comments are on the Great work! or I agree! lines. Some are substantive, but even so, not usually more than a paragraph or two long. I would argue that this is a different format from a discussion group like h-costume, where anyone can broach any subject at any time, and it is easy for multiple people to engage in each discussion. If in a blog format, one person is responding to another's blog on his/her own blog, and then people have to respond to that post, it's just a lot harder for this to be a general discussion where everyone can tell what is going on. That does not mean I am attacking LiveJournal. I'm saying that a blog format, where one person provides most of the content and others respond to it, is different from a more general discussion group. I am also not against hanging out in a community for the sake of doing so. It's just that I personally am not interested in doing that. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com On 8/6/2011 2:09 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: The live journal community is VERY strong. It isn't a group reading a journalistic type of blog. It is all of us reading each others personal blogs and interacting as a community. These days LJ has been under a lot of attack so some people are moving to dream(something that I can't remember the name off the top of my head) or blogspot. But they are still keeping their LJ journals open as the format of it is more conducive to community. Teena From: Lavolta Pressf...@lavoltapress.com To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, August 6, 2011 9:31:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where is everyone hanging out these days? Of course, blogs have been around for a long time. But, I typically see them used more as form of journalism (one person posts regularly/provides most of the content, a few others briefly comment) rather than discussion. I'm really more interested in substantive information than chat or belonging to a community. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1880's casual dress question
If you are looking for a little visual candy in addition to the lovely book suggestions, the miniseries The Buccaneers had some lovely seaside looks, iirc. Think white and pale colors (or colors striped with white) in light fabrics like lawn and ruffles. :) So yummy! Teena From: Kathryn Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 5:58:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1880's casual dress question IIRC, 1879-80 is sort of between bustle periods. What would a young English lady living on the coast of Cornwall be wearing? I will be costuming Pirates of Penzance in January and am looking for some ideas of where to look. Fashion plates in Godey's and Harper's hardly seem the type of garment that young ladies would be wearing on the beach. Googling previous Pirates productions produces a wide range. Of course I know that it is an operetta with a rather silly premise and costume designers can take great liberties, but I would love to have some idea of what might actually have been worn. Any pointers in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. I am more familiar with 18th cent.-early 19th c. and then very late 19th c. (Fran, which of your books covers this?) Kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1840s question
I have three photos which show gowns from the 1840s like you are describing. There are two photos of extant gowns and one is a photograph of a bunch of women. The address to the folder is: http://s522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/my_stitching/For%20Elizabeth%20Walpole/ I could probably come up with a few more images if you need them. Teena From: Elizabeth Walpole elizabeth.r.walp...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 4:21:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1840s question Hello everyone, I'm trying to pin down some plans for some taffeta I bought a while ago. When I bought it I had a picture in my mind of what I thought of as a 'typical' 1840s dress with a very plain dart-fitted bodice (perhaps with a pointed waist) and tight sleeves. But now that I'm actually looking at images and extant garments that look like what I'm thinking of. What I've seen is either a shirred/fan front bodice with plain fitted sleeves or a darted bodice with rather more complicated sleeves (e.g. the puff below the elbow or some variation on a trumpet/funnel shaped sleeve) So essentially what I'm asking from the collected 19th century wisdom on this list, is my idea a rarity or non existent or perhaps it belongs to another era. Elizabeth -- -- Elizabeth Walpole http://magpiecostumer.wordpress.com/ http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help
If you have the book Medieval Tailor's Assistant, I am pretty it she covers how to make such headdresses. Otherwise, perhaps Cynthia Virtue's website? http://www.virtue.to/articles/ Teena From: Guenievre de Monmarche guenie...@erminespot.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 7:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th c Headdress Help For those, like me, who had to go look it up, an image of the headdress is here: http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/25836/1/ertk1721.jpg Guenièvre On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Regina Lawson reginalaws...@gmail.com wrote: I am reproducing the ensemble from the Margaret Fitzgerald tomb effigy, in St. Canice's Cathedral, Kilkenny, Ireland. The headdress is the Irish version of the heart shaped headdress. Any and all advice regarding construction or application (kputting it on) would be greatly appreciated. I have some ideas, but no practical experience with the style. Thanks, all. Ever, Regina in L.A. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] one of a kind wedding dress
I was surprised by this because I had never heard it used in such a way. I had always heard it used to mean woman or wife. Granted, it is a condescending racist term but certainly not an obscene or sexual one. So I looked at wiki to see what it said. It does mention the vagina issue but said it didn't arise until the 1970s where there are earlier usages of the word which seemed to mean woman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaw Teena From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 8:25:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] one of a kind wedding dress Sadly, this is an Algonquin (specifically Wappanoag) word that means matron, that a young Iroquoian woman decided was an English bastardization of an Iroquois word that mean vagina. -Original Message- squaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Azalea Trail Maids: Antebellum Costumes
To me they look like the grown up versions of the cupcake skirts worn by little girls in glitz pageants. From: annbw...@aol.com annbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 11:14:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Azalea Trail Maids: Antebellum Costumes In a message dated 6/16/2011 10:09:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hhalb94...@aol.com writes: So, while, they are historically inspired they are not billed or meant to be historically accurate. Well, shut my mouth! Of course they aren't meant to be historically accurate! They are COSTUME. But I find it fascinating how styles evolve even for these sorts of garments. As I said, a totally different (although just as inaccurate) look in the early '80s. Our local square dance festival has a theme every year, and this year it is Rollin' Down the River, so the committee are going overboard with those made-up ante-bellum styles, but, get this, in rust and jewel blue, a weird medium blue shade--neither being a color I particularly associate with the 1850s. Well, they aren't costume historians, either. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Azalea Trail Maids: Antebellum Costumes
I think it said that they make their own drawers. To me, it gave the impression that they could express themselves with the drawers as they wouldn't be seen. I could be wrong, but it makes me smile to think someone has a pair of drawers on under those skirts made out of some crazy quilting fabric covered with lobsters or something. Teena From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 10:49:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Azalea Trail Maids: Antebellum Costumes The sad thing is that there is so much that one can do in a design with ruffles and none of the gowns seem to try that route. it's either rows or scallops. :P I wonder if any of them ever considered pleating the ruffle (probably because it's more difficult then gathering). If I was to be a ATM and I had a choice to look like the others or really be different within the rules I would go for the latter. Though they really should consider something besides polyester, like cotton, especially for the drawers. De -Original Message- I now understand the usefulness of a ruffle foot for a sewing machine... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] seeking help on constructing a mantua
I made the mantua from that Reconstructing History pattern and it went together pretty easily. I stumbled a little bit over the garment being pleated to the body for fitting as I had never done it before. You definitely need another pair of hands. The only thing I remember being off was the strips that go along the neckline. I couldn't figure out how the pattern worked there so I did my own strips and finished it that way. Is that where you are having difficulty? I made mine for a specific event and have no reason to wear it again which is too bad considering how comfortable it was to wear! Teena From: Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker d...@mantua-maker.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 4:34:09 AM Subject: [h-cost] seeking help on constructing a mantua I'm passing this request on for Kerry. If you can help her, please contact her at wkmda...@hdo.net -- I am desperately seeking help on constructing a mantua (1680's). Have you any experience or know of anyone who has made this type of garment? I have tried Reconstructing History's pattern but it hasn't been very user friendly (to me) and I am getting very discouraged. Yes, we have talked to the pattern makers at Reconstructing History but they, too, have realized some discrepancies in pattern directions/instructions. I just thought I'd see if I could find someone else who might have created this kind of garment so as to get a different perspective or learn from their experience. I would appreciate your offer of furthering my email onto your costume list to see what we might be able to find out. Any assistance you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Kerry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light?
I have a Panasonic Lumix and loved it. Actually, I had two because the one before was a Lumix also. But this past fall my husband wanted a new camera for his birthday and got the Sony Cybershot. The one with 14.1 megapixels and 10x optical zoom. I didn't think we needed it, but it was what he wanted. And now I hardly ever use my Lumix anymore. This camera is amazing. Teena From: penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 5:19:58 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cameras for photographing costumes in poor light? Oh Andy...I am still in mourning over the death of my Panasonic Lumix. My husband still has his but won't let me touch it. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] the tambour embroidered regency dress i made last year
I was in Copenhagen for a few days last week and was hoping to see it, but I couldn't remember which museum you said it was for. It really is stunning. I'm also glad you are back. Are you coming back to LJ too? Teena From: Leif og Bjarne Drews drews...@post12.tele.dk To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 7:52:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] the tambour embroidered regency dress i made last year Thanks for all your welcomes. I am glad you accept me here again. Here is my webpage with the tambour embroidered dress that almost killed me :-) http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/empire.htm Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany or Queen Victoria
I think it depends on what they are trying to say. If they are saying Who wore it first? then it opens up the spectrum to any who ever lived. But if they are specifically saying Who made it a trend? then I think the answer is obviously Queen Victoria. Prior to Queen Victoria, it wasn't the usual thing to do. Otherwise, after Anne of Brittany or Philippa of England, there would have been a lot of people wearing white. But because we are onlly mentioning those two, clearly it wasn't happening (or at least no documentation has survived to us of it happening). Know what I mean? Teena From: Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 9:32:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1st White Wedding Dress Trend: Anne of Brittany or Queen Victoria Apparently Anne wasn't even first; numerous ref's online to, I think, Princess Philippa, daughter of Henry IV (Bolingbroke), 1406 She was married on 26 October 1406 to Eric of Pomerania [Scandinavia, Sweden] in Lund Cathedral. Philippa was actually the first documented princess in history to wear a white wedding dress during a royal wedding ceremony: she wore a tunic with a cloak in white silk bordered with grey squirrel and ermine). chimene On May 9, 2011, at 10:43 PM, penn...@costumegallery.com wrote: My local newspaper ran an article about wedding traditions, http://www2.timesdispatch.com/lifestyles/celebrations/2011/may/04/tradition- tales-ar-1015954/ Scroll down to The White Wedding Dress. So who started the trend of the white wedding dress, Anne of Brittany or Queen Victoria? The year 1499 is out of my league of knowledge. I know all about Victoria's wedding dress trend. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costumes in Dangerous Liaisons
There have been two other versions that come to mind. At least one of them was called Valmont. But the Glenn Close/John Malkovich one is the best all around, in my opinion. And didn't you love that image where Glenn Close gets out of the carriage and her face is hidden by the hat and then she lifts her face and changes her expression? I really love that movie! It's beyond my control! From: Natalie natali...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 2:23:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] costumes in Dangerous Liaisons I didn't realize there was more then one version, but I watched the 1988 version with Glenn Close and John Malkovich. Natalie On 5/7/2011 9:00 PM, Franchesca wrote: Well, depends, which version of Dangerous Liaisons were you watching? :) (For the record, I thought they were all BEAUTIFULLY done costume wise). :) Franchesca : -Original Message- : From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- : boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Natalie : Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 5:00 PM : To: Historical Costume : Subject: [h-cost] costumes in Dangerous Liaisons : : I just watched the movie Dangerous Liaisons last night for the first : time. Unbelievably, I had never heard of it before. I was quite thrilled : by the beautiful outfits! I don't really know anything about 18th c. : French clothing, but it was certainly nice eye-candy. I especially liked : the beginning scene where they were dressing. Were they sewing her into : her bodice? : : Natalie : ___ : h-costume mailing list : h-costume@mail.indra.com : http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic period
How about this one? http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Lovers-Morning-Recreation-Sarony-Major-1850.jpg/85px-Lovers-Morning-Recreation-Sarony-Major-1850.jpg From: Laurie Taylor costumer...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 3:22:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic period I'll definitely check those out. I woke up this morning wondering if my message was even clear at all. I always wonder when I type too late at night. I am just looking for any images that might fit the description, NOT trying to find the specific image from 20+ years ago. In truth, I could end up looking at the original image and not recognizing it. But any image of a man in a tailcoat and a woman in a Redingote would be just fine. So the sources that you suggested certainly do sound like they have possibilities. Thank you! Laurie -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of R Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 6:55 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic period I have ?just received copies of Fashion in Jane Austin's Time and catalogue of the new Napolianic fashion exhibit.? Both have pics from Bon Temps and many of the illustrations show couples as you have described. You might find your quest in these. kathleen? -Original Message- From: Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com Sent 4/18/2011 3:29:03 AM To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic periodI found this when I did a Google search. www.blakeneymanor.com Maybe the pictures were taken from this book: All images and text from The Mode In Costume by R. Turner Wilcox, Charles Scribner's Sons, New York, 1958 Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Taylor Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:54 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic period Good evening, Ok, so it's almost midnight and I'm plugging away on a project that I really don't need finished until Fall. It's what I'm in the mood for though, so here I am, up too late and probably too tired to think clearly! I am looking for an image, probably of a man and a women - maybe a fashion sketch, maybe a painting, maybe something else... He is wearing a clawhammer tail coat, aka dress coat. She is wearing a Redingote gown. That is all I have. I would have seen this image in a Costume History class in 1987-88, during the lecture and again on one of the exams. On that exam, we were shown the image and asked to identify the Period, approx. date, country, Key Garment and Key Accessory/Garment. On my copy of the test, I got full credit for Romantic, 1815-1848, England/France, Clawhammer tailcoat, Redingote gown. From that answer, I drew my conclusion that this picture would have been of a man and a woman. If you're a costume history image fanatic, or a Romantic period fanatic, and this strikes a cord with you, I'd love to hear your thoughts on images that might fit this description. It's not critical or urgent, but it will probably drive me crazy with wondering! LOL Laurie T. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic period
I put 1830s redingote tailcoat into google and then only looked at the images page. It was about 6 pages in. I love the google images filter. It has come through for me on so many projects! From: Laurie Taylor costumer...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 4:04:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic period Wow! That certainly fits the description! The date of the image is right at the very end of the Romantic period, depending on which period dating system you follow, so I can use it. The description that accompanies the image, on the Wikimedia Commons site, does not use the terms tailcoat or redingote, but then Wikipedia and it's off-shoots are not considered the most accurate of sources. Thank you for finding this one. I am curious as to how you found it as I could not use the rpmedia.ask.com site. Maybe the site is down. Anyway, for the sheer delight of looking at other images, I'll probably look some more, but it is nice to know that I've got an image that can work! Laurie -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Beteena Paradise Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic period How about this one? http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Lovers-Morning-Rec reation-Sarony-Major-1850.jpg/85px-Lovers-Morning-Recreation-Sarony-Major-18 50.jpg From: Laurie Taylor costumer...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 3:22:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic period I'll definitely check those out. I woke up this morning wondering if my message was even clear at all. I always wonder when I type too late at night. I am just looking for any images that might fit the description, NOT trying to find the specific image from 20+ years ago. In truth, I could end up looking at the original image and not recognizing it. But any image of a man in a tailcoat and a woman in a Redingote would be just fine. So the sources that you suggested certainly do sound like they have possibilities. Thank you! Laurie -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of R Lloyd Mitchell Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 6:55 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic period I have ?just received copies of Fashion in Jane Austin's Time and catalogue of the new Napolianic fashion exhibit.? Both have pics from Bon Temps and many of the illustrations show couples as you have described. You might find your quest in these. kathleen? -Original Message- From: Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com Sent 4/18/2011 3:29:03 AM To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic periodI found this when I did a Google search. www.blakeneymanor.com Maybe the pictures were taken from this book: All images and text from The Mode In Costume by R. Turner Wilcox, Charles Scribner's Sons, New York, 1958 Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Taylor Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:54 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Image search - Romantic period Good evening, Ok, so it's almost midnight and I'm plugging away on a project that I really don't need finished until Fall. It's what I'm in the mood for though, so here I am, up too late and probably too tired to think clearly! I am looking for an image, probably of a man and a women - maybe a fashion sketch, maybe a painting, maybe something else... He is wearing a clawhammer tail coat, aka dress coat. She is wearing a Redingote gown. That is all I have. I would have seen this image in a Costume History class in 1987-88, during the lecture and again on one of the exams. On that exam, we were shown the image and asked to identify the Period, approx. date, country, Key Garment and Key Accessory/Garment. On my copy of the test, I got full credit for Romantic, 1815-1848, England/France, Clawhammer tailcoat, Redingote gown. From that answer, I drew my conclusion that this picture would have been of a man and a woman. If you're a costume history image fanatic, or a Romantic period fanatic, and this strikes a cord with you, I'd love to hear your thoughts on images that might fit this description. It's not critical or urgent, but it will probably drive me crazy with wondering! LOL Laurie T. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h
Re: [h-cost] crinoline storage
I have a cage crinoline which is pretty big. I twist it upon itself and put it in a bag. I have a cloth bag but have also been known to use a giant ziplock depending on the circumstances. Teena From: Laurie Taylor costume...@mazarineblue.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 1:01:46 AM Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) What I'd really like to know is how did Robert Heinlein make all the extra room in the car? But I'll settle for asking how do you all store your hoop skirts or hoped petticoats or what ever term you prefer? What can be safely done to them to minimize the space that they require? And if you've read Heinlein and know the answer to that question, I'm waiting Laurie T. Phoenix ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique
Textiles and clothing has some images and information about buttons sewn to the edge. I believe it is a piece of sleeve. From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 8:54:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique Perhaps the Moy Bog dress? I don´t know of any bit of fabric in Textiles and Clothing that would have been complete enough for reconstruction, but the Moy Bog gown is... Hanna At 21:17 14.02.2011, you wrote: Buttons on the edge --- sounds like the extant dress that either Kass McGann or bangs head on desk - another top garb lady -- saw and reproduced. The dress was either Irish or Scottish in origin. It sticks in my head because the extant dress was *almost* the ladies exact size. Katheryne On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:37 PM, cw15147-hcos...@yahoo.com wrote: Buttons along the edge: that sounds familiar. I feel I've seen a photo of that...maybe in Textiles and clothing, c.1150-c.1450 (Crowfoot. et al) cited by Catherine earlier? It's been a while since I did any research related to that time period, but buttons along the edge triggered an image of an extant find in my muddled brain. Claudine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 15th c sewing technique
Recently, I was given some information which seems wrong to me. I was told that I should be using twill tape to stablize the neck and front opening of a (pre-tudor) mid-15th century laced front kirtle. To me, that sounds like a modern sewing technique, but the woman who told me this said that was the way the extant clothing was done. I've tried doing some research and can't find anything to confirm it. Does this sound right to anyone here? Thanks. Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique
It isn't exactly what she said as she insisted that it had to be 1/4 inch cotton twill tape as that is what was used then, but at least there is support for silk binding. Thank you so much! From: Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 7:19:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15th c sewing technique On 02/12/2011 01:18 PM, Beteena Paradise wrote: Recently, I was given some information which seems wrong to me. I was told that I should be using twill tape to stablize the neck and front opening of a (pre-tudor) mid-15th century laced front kirtle. To me, that sounds like a modern sewing technique, but the woman who told me this said that was the way the extant clothing was done. I've tried doing some research and can't find anything to confirm it. Does this sound right to anyone here? Thanks. Take a look at Textiles and clothing, c.1150-c.1450 By Elisabeth Crowfoot, Frances Pritchard, Kay Staniland Google Books has excerpts of it, but with out the photograph that (to my recollection) shows a piece of different fabric reinforcing the buttonholed edge. The page (as redacted for Google Books) can be found here, but you might be able to get it on Interlibrary Loan if you can't afford to buy it: http://books.google.com/books?id=CY-8T59wHHUCpg=PA171lpg=PA171dq=pritchard+14th+century+sleevesource=blots=KItepaB2Owsig=prDR4VKvp4WS92XrcHdjohQ2My4hl=enei=HNxWTZnqLcTflgeG_8nBBwsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=1ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepageq=pritchard%2014th%20century%20sleevef=false -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com I'm a little bit disappointed that cat plus Internet doesn't equal YouTube.— Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Queen Maud's wardrobe
Do you think it is one of those situations where they had gowns designed to be identical? Princess Alexandra of Wales (mother of Maud) and G.D. Maria Feodorovna of Russia (aka Dagmar of Denmark) did that even as adults, but they were sisters. From: R Lloyd Mitchell rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 1:37:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Maud's wardrobe This gown is quite interesting. On one of the photo sites it is shown being worn by the Queen of Spain (Maud's cousin). I contacted the VA and they were aware of the second model but have no idea as to whether it was the same gown from Worth (With minor additions) or a second etition.It seems a little strange to think Maud would have lent it to another promenent personage.? -Original Message- From: otsisto otsi...@socket.net Sent 1/5/2011 1:04:42 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queen Maud's wardrobeFound the black and white beaded on a list that shows the original Worth's design. http://thedreamstress.com/2010/02/rate-the-dress-queen-maud-of-norway-in-wor th/ De -Original Message- Had to see what you all were talking about: Maybe this was obvious but I didn't know who Maud was or what the SS meant. http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/1333_styleandsplendour/wardrobe/war drobe1.html http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/1333_styleandsplendour/wardrobe/wa rdrobe1.htmlWow - what a figure that woman had! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] piping on Civil War era dresses
I have one example, but the contrasting piping is only at the waistline and is really a decorative element. I have uploaded the pictures of the gown if you are interested in looking. The gown is from 1867. http://s522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/my_stitching/Piping%20example/ From: Lisa A Ashton lis...@juno.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 11:26:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] piping on Civil War era dresses I know that dresses from this era (in America) were piped, and almost all self-piped, around the armscyes, and the back seams, but does anyone have a reference or a photo showing a solid piping with a print dress (or even anything refering to contrasting piping, for example, black piping on a lighter colored dress bodice)? Yours in costuming, Lisa A ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Buttons
I found some a year or so ago on Ebay. I'm sorry that I can't remember the vendor's name but they were in Hong Kong and the shipping was pretty fast. Prices were outstanding. From: Daniel Fenwick dan...@fenwick.sparks.nv.us To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 7:01:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] Buttons All, I'm needing a good number of buttons in very short order. Finding something that looks ok for 14th century hasn't been easy. Anyone have any recommendations for a vendor? Thanks. Dan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
