Re: [H] Hardware Digest, Vol 183, Issue 4

[Jin-Wei Tioh]

Man, it's been awhile.
End of an era :(
https://www.anandtech.com/show/21542/end-of-the-road-an-anandtech-farewell




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   1.  Turn eight port video plug into six port? (_ Winterlight)
   2. Re:  Turn eight port video plug into six port? (Jamie Furtner)
   3. Re:  Turn eight port video plug into six port? (_ Winterlight)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 20:53:22 +
From: _ Winterlight 
To: "hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com"

Subject: [H] Turn eight port video plug into six port?
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I  have installed a new Seasonic 750 Watt Gold Power supply. This
computer has a Radon HD video card with a SIX port female plug. The
only six port plugs I see in my new PS box plug into the power
supply and are used for hard drives.
So can I just remove two of the 8 port male plugs to make it a six
port so it fits in my video card? I would just cut off two of the
plugs with my Dremal.
Thanks 



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 16:56:47 -0600
From: Jamie Furtner 
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Turn eight port video plug into six port?
Message-ID: <84921413-a602-48ad-8c17-ffcae3080...@furtner.ca>
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No, don't do that you risk damaging your video card, PS, or entire
system. You should have a 6+2 PIN PCIe power cable, see
https://seasonic.com/focus-plus-gold/#cables for examples from Seasonic
and use the exact cables that came with the PS. Don't take a cable from
another PS and use it - there are no standards for the layout so it may
work but be miswired (even different models from the same brand are
different).

On 2024-08-30 2:53 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> I  have installed a new Seasonic 750 Watt Gold Power supply. This
computer has a Radon HD video card with a SIX port female plug. The
only six port plugs I see in my new PS box plug into the power
supply and are used for hard drives.
> So can I just remove two of the 8 port male plugs to make it a
six port so it fits in my video card? I would just cut off two of
the plugs with my Dremal.
> Thanks 
>


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 00:37:12 +
From: _ Winterlight 
To: "hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com"

Subject: Re: [H] Turn eight port video plug into six port?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Actually, in my new Seasonic they do not include it in the modular
plugs.  I am guessing they decided nobody is using that old video
cards so why bother including it.However, it occurred to me that
I have bought three of these in the last five years and I still have
all the modular plugs that came with those PS. My older Gold
Seasonic had one that I could plug into my new one so problem
solved! Thanks for the reply.  


From: Hardware  on behalf
of Jamie Furtner 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2024 3:56 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Turn eight port video plug into six port?

No, don't do that you risk damaging your video card, PS, or entire
system. You should have a 6+2 PIN PCIe power cable, see
https://seasonic.com/focus-plus-gold/#cables for examples from Seasonic
and use the exact cables that came with the PS. Don't take a cable from
another PS and use it - there are no standards for the layout so it may
work but be miswired (even different models from the same brand are
different).

On 2024-08-30 2:53 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> I  have installed a new Seasonic 750 Watt Gold Power supply. This
computer has a Radon HD video card with a SIX port female plug. The
only six port plugs I see in my new PS box plug into the power
supply and are used for hard drives.
> So can I just remove two of the 8 port male plugs to make it a
six port so it fits in my video card? I would just cut off two of
the plugs with my Dremal.
> Thanks 
>


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Re: [H] Turn eight port video plug into six port?

[_ Winterlight]

Actually, in my new Seasonic they do not include it in the modular plugs.  I am 
guessing they decided nobody is using that old video cards so why bother 
including it.However, it occurred to me that I have bought three of these 
in the last five years and I still have all the modular plugs that came with 
those PS. My older Gold Seasonic had one that I could plug into my new one so 
problem solved! Thanks for the reply.  


From: Hardware  on behalf of Jamie 
Furtner 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2024 3:56 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Turn eight port video plug into six port?

No, don't do that you risk damaging your video card, PS, or entire
system. You should have a 6+2 PIN PCIe power cable, see
https://seasonic.com/focus-plus-gold/#cables for examples from Seasonic
and use the exact cables that came with the PS. Don't take a cable from
another PS and use it - there are no standards for the layout so it may
work but be miswired (even different models from the same brand are
different).

On 2024-08-30 2:53 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> I  have installed a new Seasonic 750 Watt Gold Power supply. This computer 
> has a Radon HD video card with a SIX port female plug. The only six port 
> plugs I see in my new PS box plug into the power supply and are used for hard 
> drives.
> So can I just remove two of the 8 port male plugs to make it a six port so it 
> fits in my video card? I would just cut off two of the plugs with my Dremal.
> Thanks 
>

Re: [H] Turn eight port video plug into six port?

[Jamie Furtner]

No, don't do that you risk damaging your video card, PS, or entire 
system. You should have a 6+2 PIN PCIe power cable, see 
https://seasonic.com/focus-plus-gold/#cables for examples from Seasonic 
and use the exact cables that came with the PS. Don't take a cable from 
another PS and use it - there are no standards for the layout so it may 
work but be miswired (even different models from the same brand are 
different).


On 2024-08-30 2:53 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

I  have installed a new Seasonic 750 Watt Gold Power supply. This computer has 
a Radon HD video card with a SIX port female plug. The only six port plugs I 
see in my new PS box plug into the power supply and are used for hard drives.
So can I just remove two of the 8 port male plugs to make it a six port so it 
fits in my video card? I would just cut off two of the plugs with my Dremal.
Thanks 

Re: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

[Bino Gopal]

What do you guys think of the Samsung Odyssey Ark?  Anyone got one?  Used one 
on B&H for nowhere near the full $2700 price seems reasonable...

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/used/1708954/


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Greg 
Sevart
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 12:41 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

The panel in their 34" OLED is WQHD, which means native resolution of 3440x1440.

The 32", in contrast, is 3840x2160. I suspect both panels support 4k inputs, 
but only the 32" can display every pixel in the signal. Most TV panels of 
decent size these days are 4k or even 8k, but monitor-class panels are a 
different story.

For me, the more important metric is PPI - the higher the PPI, the sharper the 
text, and I'm ready for an upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 1:45 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

Huh? above 32 inch doesn't support 4K? How do they do it on a big TV or your 
saying they can't?


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 10:11 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

So close! I'm interested in the 32" version for the 4k resolution though.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 11:17 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

Greg >>>today, you can grab the Alienware AW3423DWF — a 34-inch ultrawide OLED 
gaming monitor that’s already popular for its frequent sales — at a new, 
all-time low price: Dell is selling it right now for 
$700<https://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-8200811-12839518?url=https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/apd/210-bfrp&sid=2-1-2425877-1-0-0>,
 an astonishing $400 off its original retail price.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2425877/this-alienware-oled-gaming-monitor-is-cheaper-than-ever-at-700.html?ut


https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/apd/210-bfrp?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&cjevent=6c107a3c5a5811ef804d3b180a1eba23&dgc=CJ&publisherid=4832273&publisher=&aff=IDG+Communications&affid=4832273&aff_webid=8200811&aff_user_id=2-1-2425877-1-0-0&gacd=9684992-28463632-5750457-345576786-177846717&dgc=af&VEN1=12839518-8200811-2-1-2425877-1-0-0-IDG%20Communications&dclid=CN3s_8bw9IcDFZu_fwQdHTAbug

Re: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

[Greg Sevart]

The panel in their 34" OLED is WQHD, which means native resolution of 3440x1440.

The 32", in contrast, is 3840x2160. I suspect both panels support 4k inputs, 
but only the 32" can display every pixel in the signal. Most TV panels of 
decent size these days are 4k or even 8k, but monitor-class panels are a 
different story.

For me, the more important metric is PPI - the higher the PPI, the sharper the 
text, and I'm ready for an upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 1:45 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

Huh? above 32 inch doesn't support 4K? How do they do it on a big TV or your 
saying they can't?


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 10:11 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

So close! I'm interested in the 32" version for the 4k resolution though.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 11:17 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

Greg >>>today, you can grab the Alienware AW3423DWF — a 34-inch ultrawide OLED 
gaming monitor that’s already popular for its frequent sales — at a new, 
all-time low price: Dell is selling it right now for 
$700<https://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-8200811-12839518?url=https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/apd/210-bfrp&sid=2-1-2425877-1-0-0>,
 an astonishing $400 off its original retail price.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2425877/this-alienware-oled-gaming-monitor-is-cheaper-than-ever-at-700.html?ut


https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/apd/210-bfrp?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&cjevent=6c107a3c5a5811ef804d3b180a1eba23&dgc=CJ&publisherid=4832273&publisher=&aff=IDG+Communications&affid=4832273&aff_webid=8200811&aff_user_id=2-1-2425877-1-0-0&gacd=9684992-28463632-5750457-345576786-177846717&dgc=af&VEN1=12839518-8200811-2-1-2425877-1-0-0-IDG%20Communications&dclid=CN3s_8bw9IcDFZu_fwQdHTAbug

Re: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

[_ Winterlight]

Huh? above 32 inch doesn't support 4K? How do they do it on a big TV or your 
saying they can't?


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 10:11 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

So close! I'm interested in the 32" version for the 4k resolution though.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 11:17 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

Greg >>>today, you can grab the Alienware AW3423DWF — a 34-inch ultrawide OLED 
gaming monitor that’s already popular for its frequent sales — at a new, 
all-time low price: Dell is selling it right now for 
$700<https://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-8200811-12839518?url=https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/apd/210-bfrp&sid=2-1-2425877-1-0-0>,
 an astonishing $400 off its original retail price.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2425877/this-alienware-oled-gaming-monitor-is-cheaper-than-ever-at-700.html?ut


https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/apd/210-bfrp?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&cjevent=6c107a3c5a5811ef804d3b180a1eba23&dgc=CJ&publisherid=4832273&publisher=&aff=IDG+Communications&affid=4832273&aff_webid=8200811&aff_user_id=2-1-2425877-1-0-0&gacd=9684992-28463632-5750457-345576786-177846717&dgc=af&VEN1=12839518-8200811-2-1-2425877-1-0-0-IDG%20Communications&dclid=CN3s_8bw9IcDFZu_fwQdHTAbug

Re: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

[Greg Sevart]

So close! I'm interested in the 32" version for the 4k resolution though.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 11:17 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Alienware’s stunning OLED for $700

Greg >>>today, you can grab the Alienware AW3423DWF — a 34-inch ultrawide OLED 
gaming monitor that’s already popular for its frequent sales — at a new, 
all-time low price: Dell is selling it right now for 
$700,
 an astonishing $400 off its original retail price.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2425877/this-alienware-oled-gaming-monitor-is-cheaper-than-ever-at-700.html?ut


https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/apd/210-bfrp?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&cjevent=6c107a3c5a5811ef804d3b180a1eba23&dgc=CJ&publisherid=4832273&publisher=&aff=IDG+Communications&affid=4832273&aff_webid=8200811&aff_user_id=2-1-2425877-1-0-0&gacd=9684992-28463632-5750457-345576786-177846717&dgc=af&VEN1=12839518-8200811-2-1-2425877-1-0-0-IDG%20Communications&dclid=CN3s_8bw9IcDFZu_fwQdHTAbug

Re: [H] Who makes a better GeForce video card...MSI or Gigabyte? Thanks!

[_ Winterlight]

I had a terrible experience with ASUS video cards the one time I purchased 
them. I had two cards in one board and fans kept dying. It killed one of the 
cards and my experience with ASUS support was awful. I switched to EVGA and 
they were great but now they refuse to make anything NVIDA due to what they 
considered price gouging.


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 2:56 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Who makes a better GeForce video card...MSI or Gigabyte? 
Thanks!

I've tended towards Gigabyte and Asus GPUs myself.

I'm not sure if it matters as much as it once did. Most DIY PC hardware has 
reached commodity status and very little is built to last.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
bh...@sc.rr.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 4:46 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Who makes a better GeForce video card...MSI or Gigabyte? 
Thanks!

Hey.
A couple of years ago, I rated Gigabyte better than MSI.
This was when 30xx GCs were $1500-$2000.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 4:27 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Who makes a better GeForce video card...MSI or Gigabyte?
Thanks!

Re: [H] Who makes a better GeForce video card...MSI or Gigabyte? Thanks!

[Greg Sevart]

I've tended towards Gigabyte and Asus GPUs myself.

I'm not sure if it matters as much as it once did. Most DIY PC hardware has 
reached commodity status and very little is built to last.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
bh...@sc.rr.com
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 4:46 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Who makes a better GeForce video card...MSI or Gigabyte? 
Thanks!

Hey.  
A couple of years ago, I rated Gigabyte better than MSI.  
This was when 30xx GCs were $1500-$2000.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 4:27 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Who makes a better GeForce video card...MSI or Gigabyte?
Thanks!

Re: [H] Who makes a better GeForce video card...MSI or Gigabyte? Thanks!

[bheid]

Hey.  
A couple of years ago, I rated Gigabyte better than MSI.  
This was when 30xx GCs were $1500-$2000.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _
Winterlight
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 4:27 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Who makes a better GeForce video card...MSI or Gigabyte?
Thanks!

Re: [H] new email ?

[Bino Gopal]

I pay for Outlook-well Office-now after having had it free through work for 
like 20+ years...it's only thing that works for me!  About 300+ rules to sort 
all my incoming mail currently saved in here... ;p

BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of FORC5
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 1:27 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] new email ?


thanks, will give it a good look

fp

On 5/13/2024 11:18 AM, _ Winterlight wrote:
> I use Em client  https://www.emclient.com/ .  You do have to buy it but you 
> had to buy Eudora. I can still use Eudora and like it's portability but it is 
> a text only program now lacking in many formats and features and I eventually 
> made the switch to Em. You can use Em for free for two addresses. You can use 
> it for all email both web and private including gmail outlook and anything 
> else and it will operate your email addresses in one view or independently. I 
> am getting ready to buy a second license.
> 
>
> 
> From: Hardware  on behalf of
> FORC5 
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:34 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> 
> Subject: [H] new email ?
>
> seems I may need a new client, do not use web based even though I know
> they interface thru that.
>
> once upon a time Eudora, sad, Thunderbird long time, it's OK does the
> job but Cox is switching to Yahoo...having problems with
> authentication. calls for AOuth2, one puter seems to be OK with it the
> other is not listed under SMTP, is listed under IMAP.
> seems to work even though sometimes Yahoo complains.
>
> any good email client suggestions ? found one called proton but not
> free... never liked Office, way more then I need.
>
> hope all is well with the group. I listen rarely speak, sort of
> retired from active puter repair.
>
> thanks
>
> FP
>

Re: [H] curved monitors

[Greg Sevart]

I'm in the process of acquiring two of the ones I linked before, but I don't 
have them yet or an ETA. I currently run two of these: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DWD38VX/ - and I got where I like the 
curve, but two 34s is a bit much for what I find myself doing these days.

I like the monitors, but the PPI increase from 4k resolution and the contrast 
increase from OLED are why I am upgrading. The Alienware is literally the 
monitor I've been waiting on for years.

Window position is indeed a problem, related to DisplayPort deep sleep. I have 
my monitors set to never turn off to avoid the issue, however, I'm still 
running W10 - W11 supposedly addresses this problem. You wouldn't want them on 
full-time with OLEDs for sure.


 

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 11:57 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] curved monitors

yeah, that was my first thought but I am leery of spending a grand+ for 
something that will fail in 3-5 years. Are you using an OLED curve?   I am 
mostly interested in how you like using a large curved monitor. I have a three 
monitor setup. My current setup...before the big one broke was a 32 in the 
middle and two 28 inch on the side all DELL. One of the problems with this 
setup is maintaining window position and desktop when the power is turned off 
and on. I am guessing this would not be an issue with one huge monitor. Are you 
living with a single large monitorare you happy with it? Are there 
downsides I am unaware of?


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 6:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] curved monitors

One word: OLED.
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/alienware-32-4k-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw3225qf/apd/210-blmq/monitors-monitor-accessories


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:33 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] curved monitors

I am in the market for a new monitor. My last two primary monitors have been 
very expensive high end monitors intended for graphics professionals. They only 
seem to last for 3 to five years while my inexpensive monitors go on year after 
year. So no more high end monitors.
I have always used multiple monitors but am now considering one very large 
curved Ultra HD monitor. Anybody have any thoughts or experience with 
these...comments, advice warnings?  

Re: [H] curved monitors

[_ Winterlight]

yeah, that was my first thought but I am leery of spending a grand+ for 
something that will fail in 3-5 years. Are you using an OLED curve?   I am 
mostly interested in how you like using a large curved monitor. I have a three 
monitor setup. My current setup...before the big one broke was a 32 in the 
middle and two 28 inch on the side all DELL. One of the problems with this 
setup is maintaining window position and desktop when the power is turned off 
and on. I am guessing this would not be an issue with one huge monitor. Are you 
living with a single large monitorare you happy with it? Are there 
downsides I am unaware of?


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 6:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] curved monitors

One word: OLED.
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/alienware-32-4k-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw3225qf/apd/210-blmq/monitors-monitor-accessories


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:33 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] curved monitors

I am in the market for a new monitor. My last two primary monitors have been 
very expensive high end monitors intended for graphics professionals. They only 
seem to last for 3 to five years while my inexpensive monitors go on year after 
year. So no more high end monitors.
I have always used multiple monitors but am now considering one very large 
curved Ultra HD monitor. Anybody have any thoughts or experience with 
these...comments, advice warnings?  

Re: [H] curved monitors

[Greg Sevart]

One word: OLED.
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/alienware-32-4k-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw3225qf/apd/210-blmq/monitors-monitor-accessories


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:33 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] curved monitors

I am in the market for a new monitor. My last two primary monitors have been 
very expensive high end monitors intended for graphics professionals. They only 
seem to last for 3 to five years while my inexpensive monitors go on year after 
year. So no more high end monitors.
I have always used multiple monitors but am now considering one very large 
curved Ultra HD monitor. Anybody have any thoughts or experience with 
these...comments, advice warnings?  

Re: [H] new email ?

[FORC5]

thanks, will give it a good look

fp

On 5/13/2024 11:18 AM, _ Winterlight wrote:

I use Em client  https://www.emclient.com .  You do have to buy it but you had 
to buy Eudora. I can still use Eudora and like it's portability but it is a 
text only program now lacking in many formats and features and I eventually 
made the switch to Em. You can use Em for free for two addresses. You can use 
it for all email both web and private including gmail outlook and anything else 
and it will operate your email addresses in one view or independently. I am 
getting ready to buy a second license.



From: Hardware  on behalf of FORC5 

Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:34 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: [H] new email ?

seems I may need a new client, do not use web
based even though I know they interface thru
that.

once upon a time Eudora, sad, Thunderbird
long time, it's OK does the job but Cox is
switching to Yahoo...having problems with
authentication. calls for AOuth2, one puter
seems to be OK with it the other is not
listed under SMTP, is listed under IMAP.
seems to work even though sometimes Yahoo
complains.

any good email client suggestions ? found one
called proton but not free... never liked
Office, way more then I need.

hope all is well with the group. I listen
rarely speak, sort of retired from active
puter repair.

thanks

FP

Re: [H] new email ?

[_ Winterlight]

I use Em client  https://www.emclient.com .  You do have to buy it but you had 
to buy Eudora. I can still use Eudora and like it's portability but it is a 
text only program now lacking in many formats and features and I eventually 
made the switch to Em. You can use Em for free for two addresses. You can use 
it for all email both web and private including gmail outlook and anything else 
and it will operate your email addresses in one view or independently. I am 
getting ready to buy a second license.



From: Hardware  on behalf of FORC5 

Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:34 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: [H] new email ?

seems I may need a new client, do not use web
based even though I know they interface thru
that.

once upon a time Eudora, sad, Thunderbird
long time, it's OK does the job but Cox is
switching to Yahoo...having problems with
authentication. calls for AOuth2, one puter
seems to be OK with it the other is not
listed under SMTP, is listed under IMAP.
seems to work even though sometimes Yahoo
complains.

any good email client suggestions ? found one
called proton but not free... never liked
Office, way more then I need.

hope all is well with the group. I listen
rarely speak, sort of retired from active
puter repair.

thanks

FP

Re: [H] Linux file server Novice Linux user

[Jamie Furtner]

Yes, reading and writing NTFS is supported on more recent kernels. If 
you're just reading data from existing drives it'll likely work ok, if 
you want to read/write then it may be a bit rocky (as it's not as well 
used as native filesystems, so there's more possibility of bugs). I 
think you'll have a much easier time if you can switch to native Linux 
disk formats, and remember that you can always use a Linux live image to 
boot a machine to get data off of the disks. Also remember that Linux's 
whole-disk encryption (called "LUKS") is not compatible with Windows 
Bitlocker (and vice-versa).


I'd suggest OpenMediaVault to give you easier administration. 
OpenMediaVault is Debian based, and the newest version "Sandworm" should 
natively support NTFS disks. While you have time - maybe try it in a VM 
and see how it installs, behaves, and ensure it'll give you what you need.



My guess when it comes to the "perfectly good Windows 10 computers" - 
most people won't care until there's a big enough security problem that 
it actually costs them in some way, or until browsers stop supporting 
it, and there's something in an updated browser that doesn't work on 
Windows 10 anymore. Browsers won't stop supporting Windows 10 for at 
least 3 years, and then after we'll see what happens.


Jamie


On 2024-04-11 1:48 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

I want to use one of my old mini computers NUC quad core for a file 
server,  security cameras and HD homerun which front ends my TV antenna. Given 
that windows 10 is 18 months away from ending I am thinking of turning to Linux 
for the OS. Actually, I think October 2025 will be the best opportunity Linux 
has ever had to capture a segment of the PC market both business and personal. 
End users and business aren't going to want to throw away perfectly good 
windows 10 computers. They may be willing to pay the $61 for one year of 
updates but after that it gets expensive and you end up at the same starting 
point. It is going to be a major issue come the end of Win 10

Linux Questions

Can I use a NTFS format for any drives ... this would be easier to deal with if 
something went wrong and I had to access the drive from a windows PC?

I have on occasion installed various versions of Linux in virtual machines and 
old PCs but I am a novice and I will struggle with it to learn how to manage it.
What current distribution of Linux would you recommend for this ?
Thanks  

Re: [H] [Letantig_internal] And the Beat Goes On

[Greg Sevart]

Is "MAGA moment eliminator" something that can be exported?

Asking for ~200 million friends.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Thane K. 
Sherrington
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 2:19 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] [Letantig_internal] And the Beat Goes On

Just in case anyone was wondering, the Province has rejected the merger.  The 
bill which was working it's way through the legislature has been withdrawn.  So 
our MAGA moment has ended. :)


T

th...@computerconnectionltd.com
On 03-Apr-2024 8:10 a.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
>
> On 02-Apr-2024 11:15 p.m., Bino Gopal wrote:
>> Well, s...how did it go?!  Waiting with bated breath for the next 
>> chapter in the Antigonish MAGA saga...! ;P
>>
>>

Re: [H] [Letantig_internal] And the Beat Goes On

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Just in case anyone was wondering, the Province has rejected the 
merger.  The bill which was working it's way through the legislature has 
been withdrawn.  So our MAGA moment has ended. :)



T

th...@computerconnectionltd.com
On 03-Apr-2024 8:10 a.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:


On 02-Apr-2024 11:15 p.m., Bino Gopal wrote:
Well, s...how did it go?!  Waiting with bated breath for the next 
chapter in the Antigonish MAGA saga...! ;P

Re: [H] [Letantig_internal] And the Beat Goes On

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Badly.  The Premier of Nova Scotia came down to tell the voters that his 
hands are tied (they aren't) because the municipal councils asked for 
consolidation, and he is honour bound to allow it.  Now in Nova Scotia, 
the municipal governments serve at the pleasure of the province.  The 
province makes all the rules that govern the municipalities, and those 
rules require a study and a plebiscite when municipalities merge.  In 
this case, the two councils (who never ran on the issue in the previous 
election) asked for special legislation to avoid a plebiscite.  
According to the premier, because they asked, he must do it.   He is 
requiring a study by the UARB (Utility and Review Board) to look into 
the financial implications.  The UARB is an appointed board, so that 
isn't sitting well with voters.


It was an interesting meeting - between 500 and 600 people were there, 
and people asked again and again for a vote on the issue, and the 
premier basically said "you voted for the councils, they asked for the 
legislation, we have to do it, it's not my fault, it's yours."


It was sort of a weird meeting, and shows me once again, that the best 
way to deal with politics is to ignore it. :)


And this was about as OT as we ever got back in the 90s. :)

T

On 02-Apr-2024 11:15 p.m., Bino Gopal wrote:

Well, s...how did it go?!  Waiting with bated breath for the next chapter 
in the Antigonish MAGA saga...! ;P


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Thane K. 
Sherrington
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 4:10 AM
To: letantig_inter...@letantigonishdecide.ca; hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] [Letantig_internal] And the Beat Goes On

Let's be clear what the amendments do:
1)They stop the current council members from sitting on the Transition 
Committee.  Since the vast majority of the population don't trust the Laurie, 
Owen and their cronies, this is table stakes.   This gains Tim nothing in terms 
of votes or trust, and he's spending EVEN MORE money on the process.
2)Even though we told them we don't trust our current Councillors to make this 
decision for us, they responded by saying, ok, we'll have some non-elected 
officials make the decision.  In what what world is this better?  They appear 
to be sticking with the idea that voters are too stupid, too poorly educated, 
and too emotional to vote on this, and that we should be quiet and let our 
betters decided for us.

I was in a meeting yesterday with John Hannaford, the clerk of the Privy 
Council and he repeated over and over that integrity, ethics and respect for 
democracy were the hallmarks of good government. We've seen very little of 
those from the Laurie, Owen and their cronies, and Houston isn't looking much 
better right now.

Where is the UARB going to get financial information for their study? I'm betting they'll 
be given a sunshine and rainbow stories from Laurie, Owen and the CAOs and will decide 
"the finances look good".  This study is meaningless eyewash as far as I can 
tell.

Thane K. Sherrington

Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers since 1982.
Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award *Thanks for 
making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019!*
95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com
On 25-Mar-2024 5:23 p.m., Bruce MacLean wrote:

Lohr, this afternoon, ".ordered a new analysis on whether
consolidating Antigonish town and county is the right move, after
months of public opposition." Note that his main rationale for
reconsidering the consolidation was the "major" concern "that many
residents didn't feel they had enough information about the financial
impact of consolidation on their tax rate ." *No mention of the
plebiscite.*

**

He has defined the problem so that it can be resolved in their chosen
domain. "If the UARB does not find consolidation to be in the best
interest of residents, it will not go forward" Lohr orates.

For more recent detail on the MAGA (Make Antigonish Great Again)
movement (local) see below:

N.S. hits pause on Antigonish consolidation | CBC News
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Fnova-scotia%2Fn-s-hits-pause-on-antigonish-co
nsolidation-1.7154855&data=05%7C02%7C%7C76c78f8564894069d70508dc4d8552
2b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638470482210104395%7CU
nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha
WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7mLX8ITVmE%2F7kiRaLrpdnEJjHnlTLPTC4FmFWeWoRpI%3D&reserved=0>

Bruce

Re: [H] [Letantig_internal] And the Beat Goes On

[Bino Gopal]

Well, s...how did it go?!  Waiting with bated breath for the next chapter 
in the Antigonish MAGA saga...! ;P


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Thane K. 
Sherrington
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 4:10 AM
To: letantig_inter...@letantigonishdecide.ca; hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] [Letantig_internal] And the Beat Goes On

Let's be clear what the amendments do:
1)They stop the current council members from sitting on the Transition 
Committee.  Since the vast majority of the population don't trust the Laurie, 
Owen and their cronies, this is table stakes.   This gains Tim nothing in terms 
of votes or trust, and he's spending EVEN MORE money on the process.
2)Even though we told them we don't trust our current Councillors to make this 
decision for us, they responded by saying, ok, we'll have some non-elected 
officials make the decision.  In what what world is this better?  They appear 
to be sticking with the idea that voters are too stupid, too poorly educated, 
and too emotional to vote on this, and that we should be quiet and let our 
betters decided for us.

I was in a meeting yesterday with John Hannaford, the clerk of the Privy 
Council and he repeated over and over that integrity, ethics and respect for 
democracy were the hallmarks of good government. We've seen very little of 
those from the Laurie, Owen and their cronies, and Houston isn't looking much 
better right now.

Where is the UARB going to get financial information for their study? I'm 
betting they'll be given a sunshine and rainbow stories from Laurie, Owen and 
the CAOs and will decide "the finances look good".  This study is meaningless 
eyewash as far as I can tell.

Thane K. Sherrington

Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers since 1982.
Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award *Thanks for 
making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019!*
95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com
On 25-Mar-2024 5:23 p.m., Bruce MacLean wrote:
>
> Lohr, this afternoon, ".ordered a new analysis on whether 
> consolidating Antigonish town and county is the right move, after 
> months of public opposition." Note that his main rationale for 
> reconsidering the consolidation was the "major" concern "that many 
> residents didn't feel they had enough information about the financial 
> impact of consolidation on their tax rate ." *No mention of the
> plebiscite.*
>
> **
>
> He has defined the problem so that it can be resolved in their chosen 
> domain. "If the UARB does not find consolidation to be in the best 
> interest of residents, it will not go forward" Lohr orates.
>
> For more recent detail on the MAGA (Make Antigonish Great Again) 
> movement (local) see below:
>
> N.S. hits pause on Antigonish consolidation | CBC News 
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Fnova-scotia%2Fn-s-hits-pause-on-antigonish-co
> nsolidation-1.7154855&data=05%7C02%7C%7C76c78f8564894069d70508dc4d8552
> 2b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638470482210104395%7CU
> nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha
> WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7mLX8ITVmE%2F7kiRaLrpdnEJjHnlTLPTC4FmFWeWoRpI%3D&reserved=0>
>
> Bruce
>
>

Re: [H] [Letantig_internal] And the Beat Goes On

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Let's be clear what the amendments do:
1)They stop the current council members from sitting on the Transition 
Committee.  Since the vast majority of the population don't trust the 
Laurie, Owen and their cronies, this is table stakes.   This gains Tim 
nothing in terms of votes or trust, and he's spending EVEN MORE money on 
the process.
2)Even though we told them we don't trust our current Councillors to 
make this decision for us, they responded by saying, ok, we'll have some 
non-elected officials make the decision.  In what what world is this 
better?  They appear to be sticking with the idea that voters are too 
stupid, too poorly educated, and too emotional to vote on this, and that 
we should be quiet and let our betters decided for us.


I was in a meeting yesterday with John Hannaford, the clerk of the Privy 
Council and he repeated over and over that integrity, ethics and respect 
for democracy were the hallmarks of good government. We've seen very 
little of those from the Laurie, Owen and their cronies, and Houston 
isn't looking much better right now.


Where is the UARB going to get financial information for their study?  
I'm betting they'll be given a sunshine and rainbow stories from Laurie, 
Owen and the CAOs and will decide "the finances look good".  This study 
is meaningless eyewash as far as I can tell.


Thane K. Sherrington

Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers since 1982.
Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award
*Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store in 2016, 
2017, 2018 and 2019!*

95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com
On 25-Mar-2024 5:23 p.m., Bruce MacLean wrote:


Lohr, this afternoon, “…ordered a new analysis on whether 
consolidating Antigonish town and county is the right move, after 
months of public opposition.” Note that his main rationale for 
reconsidering the consolidation was the “major” concern “that many 
residents didn’t feel they had enough information about the financial 
impact of consolidation on their tax rate …” *No mention of the 
plebiscite.*


**

He has defined the problem so that it can be resolved in their chosen 
domain. “If the UARB does not find consolidation to be in the best 
interest of residents, it will not go forward” Lohr orates.


For more recent detail on the MAGA (Make Antigonish Great Again) 
movement (local) see below:


N.S. hits pause on Antigonish consolidation | CBC News 



Bruce

Re: [H] Thunderbird insanity

[Greg Sevart]

Well...that's a neat trick

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Thane K. 
Sherrington
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 9:51 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Thunderbird insanity

Well, for some reason Thunderbird decided to add hardwaregroup to every email I 
repy to.  I think I have that fixed now.  Sorry for the irritation.

T

Re: [H] Lian Li fans

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Hi Rob,
    Just checking to see if those fans are available. :)  And if so, 
what's the current price?


Thanks,

Thane K. Sherrington

Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers since 1982.
Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award
*Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store in 2016, 
2017, 2018 and 2019!*

95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com
On 27-Feb-2024 6:41 p.m., Rob Cole wrote:


Still showing as back order Thane ☹

*From:*Thane K. Sherrington 
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2024 4:58 PM
*To:* Rob Cole 
*Subject:* Re: Lian Li fans

Hi Rob,
    Are these fans available now?

Thanks,

Thane K. Sherrington

Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers since 
1982.

Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award
*Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store in 2016, 
2017, 2018 and 2019!*

95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com

On 31-Jan-2024 4:36 p.m., Rob Cole wrote:

The ETA on all of these fans has been pushed back to Feb 9^th

One - 14tllcd1w - $57.00
One - 12tllcd3w - $169.00
Two - 12rtllcd3w - $169.00

*From:*Thane K. Sherrington 
<mailto:th...@computerconnectionltd.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 31, 2024 4:08 PM
*To:* Rob Cole 
<mailto:robc...@elcosystems.com>
*Subject:* Re: Lian Li fans

Hi Rob,
    Are these fans available now?

Thane K. Sherrington

Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers
since 1982.
Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award
*Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store in
2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019!*
95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com

On 03-Jan-2024 3:11 p.m., Rob Cole wrote:

Thank you and same to you guys Thane!

One - 14tllcd1w - $57.00
One - 12tllcd3w - $169.00
Two - 12rtllcd3w - $169.00

They all show as back rodered so your probably ight about the
ETA’s, but yes we can get them

*From:*Thane K. Sherrington 
<mailto:th...@computerconnectionltd.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 3, 2024 2:19 PM
*To:* Rob Cole 
<mailto:robc...@elcosystems.com>
*Subject:* Lian Li fans

Hi Rob,
    I hope you had a great Christmas, and I wish you and your
family and happy and healthy 2024!

    Do you carry Lian Li fans?  I'm looking for the following:
One - 14tllcd1w
One - 12tllcd3w
Two - 12rtllcd3w

I'm pretty sure these are all pre-order right now, with
release date between Jan 6 and 11th.

Thanks,

-- 
Thane K. Sherrington


Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of
computers since 1982.
Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award
*Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store
in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019!*
95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com

Re: [H] Update on your laptop

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Sorry, I sent this email by mistake.

Thane K. Sherrington

Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers since 1982.
Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award
*Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store in 2016, 
2017, 2018 and 2019!*

95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com
On 21-Mar-2024 9:36 a.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:

Hi Jona,
    I finally tracked down some sets of fans.  They are Lenovo 
originals, so it's a bit of a crapshoot.  There is one set for $87.50 
and one for 141.30.  Both are Chinese brands, so I have no idea if one 
is better than the other.  They will take about two weeks to come in.  
They would be $95 to install and we will also replace the thermal 
compound to help with the cooling.
    If you are interested, let me know which you would prefer and I'll 
get it ordered.
    If you don't want to replace them, let me know and I'll 
reassembled your laptop.


Thanks,

Thane K. Sherrington

Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers since 
1982.

Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award
*Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store in 2016, 
2017, 2018 and 2019!*

95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com
On 18-Mar-2024 11:26 a.m., Jona Pedersen wrote:

Hi Thane,

I just wanted to check with you if you have any updates on the prices 
for replacement parts?


Thanks so much!

Jona

On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 11:53 AM Jona Pedersen 
 wrote:


    Thanks for the update! Looking forward to hearing more.

    Jona

    On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 11:25 AM Thane K. Sherrington
 wrote:

    Hi Jona,
        I cleaned the fans, which made it a lot better, but the
    fans are still noisy.  I'm getting a price on replacements.
    You'll want to have the CPU thermal compound replaced as
    well.  They put it on poorly at the factory, and the system is
    running hotter than it should because of that.  I will email
    you prices on the fans as soon as I get it.

    Thanks,
    --     Thane K. Sherrington

    Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of
    computers since 1982.
    Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award
    *Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store
    in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019!*
    95 College St., Antigonish,
    NS B2G 1X6
    902-863-3361 (phone)
    902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com



    --     *Jona L. Pedersen*
    they/them

    Bachelor of Science in Fisheries & Wildlife Biology
    Bachelor of Arts in English



--
*Jona L. Pedersen*
they/them

Bachelor of Science in Fisheries & Wildlife Biology
Bachelor of Arts in English

Re: [H] Update on your laptop

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Hi Jona,
    I finally tracked down some sets of fans.  They are Lenovo 
originals, so it's a bit of a crapshoot.  There is one set for $87.50 
and one for 141.30.  Both are Chinese brands, so I have no idea if one 
is better than the other.  They will take about two weeks to come in.  
They would be $95 to install and we will also replace the thermal 
compound to help with the cooling.
    If you are interested, let me know which you would prefer and I'll 
get it ordered.
    If you don't want to replace them, let me know and I'll reassembled 
your laptop.


Thanks,

Thane K. Sherrington

Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers since 1982.
Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award
*Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store in 2016, 
2017, 2018 and 2019!*

95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com
On 18-Mar-2024 11:26 a.m., Jona Pedersen wrote:

Hi Thane,

I just wanted to check with you if you have any updates on the prices 
for replacement parts?


Thanks so much!

Jona

On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 11:53 AM Jona Pedersen 
 wrote:


Thanks for the update! Looking forward to hearing more.

Jona

On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 11:25 AM Thane K. Sherrington
 wrote:

Hi Jona,
    I cleaned the fans, which made it a lot better, but the
fans are still noisy.  I'm getting a price on replacements. 
You'll want to have the CPU thermal compound replaced as
well.  They put it on poorly at the factory, and the system is
running hotter than it should because of that.  I will email
you prices on the fans as soon as I get it.

Thanks,
-- 
Thane K. Sherrington


Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of
computers since 1982.
Winner of the 2012 Ian Spencer - Excellence in Business Award
*Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store
in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019!*
95 College St., Antigonish,
NS B2G 1X6
902-863-3361 (phone)
902-863-2580 (fax)
th...@computerconnectionltd.com



-- 
*Jona L. Pedersen*

they/them

Bachelor of Science in Fisheries & Wildlife Biology
Bachelor of Arts in English



--
*Jona L. Pedersen*
they/them

Bachelor of Science in Fisheries & Wildlife Biology
Bachelor of Arts in English

Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

[Bino Gopal]

Heh yeah-I mean I was thinking the same thing...but pretty sure it's out of 
warranty at this pint...guess I should look into that...

Though I have seen people complaining about having issues with failing 
keyboards on these LG Grams and not being able to get them easily fixed-which 
is weird as that's not something I've had much failure with on any of my other 
laptops-lots of other things have failed like the screen hinge on my MSI 
(multiple times) and the power and USB ports, but not keys randomly working/not 
working like that...

And of course since I sent this it's both worked and stopped working, back and 
forth completely randomly...and currently it's back to working since I can type 
9(9(9(9( like this just fine... 😝

And the 7 key on the number pad started working again for the first time in a 
while!  777!  Cool!

Wish it was just consistent tho... :/

BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2024 1:04 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

I think it would be a lot easier just to replace the keyboard on the laptop 
...if you can get oneor use a Bluetooth keyboard or even a USB keyboard. 
Logitech sells wireless keyboards with track pads. I use one with my TV 


From: Hardware  on behalf of Bino 
Gopal 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 4:39 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

Ok this is SUPER WEIRD-the 9 key (and thus the left parentheses) started 
working randomly today during the day for about 10 mins-I used both for like 10 
mins today (tested it multiple times to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating) and 
it was working fine!

Then a few mins after I tried it again and it wasn’t working again!  So this 
indicates that it’s likely some sort of weird software problem right?  …or I 
suppose it could be a weird random sticky hardware key problem…

Any idea here??

BINO


> On Feb 26, 2024, at 14:53, Bino Gopal  wrote:
>
> Bueller...?  The list didn't die since New Year's Day (the last thread that 
> I saw), did it...?! 😝
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bino 
> Gopal
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 10:36 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...
>
> So this seems like a perfect HWG list question...
>
> I have a weird problem that just started happening a few weeks ago on the 
> keyboard of my LG Gram laptop from 2021...
>
> The 9 key across the top stopped working completely (I have to use the one on 
> the numeric keypad to type 9).
>
> I also can't use the left parentheses, and AFAIK there's no way to get that 
> symbol without using the ASCII key codes for it, ALT-0028-X, but that 
> apparently doesn't work everywhere like in Google Chat as I tried it to no 
> avail (unless some knows some trick to make it work) and I had to paste this 
> one in from the Character Map, which looks like it was the wrong font/size 
> now... :P
>
> Weirdly enough the 7 key on the numeric keypad also stopped working too.  
> Those are the only two keys that aren't working AFAIK...
>
> So I was wondering...I usually have taken my much older IBM Thinkpads apart 
> in the past, and esp my last laptop, an MSI gaming laptop which had a lot of 
> issues with the cover hinge breaking-but I stopped needing to do that back in 
> 2020 or so and I'm not sure this LG Gram is as forgiving at being opened...
>
> Is my only hope to take this sucker apart and see if there's something stuck 
> in those keys and it's some sort of physical issue causing the keys not to 
> work, or is this possibly some sort of software short circuit as the keys 
> feel fine and it's weird that those two just randomly stopped working no...?
>
> Any help/advice appreciated!  TIA!
>
>   
>  BINO
>
> P.S.  In the past I've had issues with some of the keys, maybe even the 9 key 
> itself not working or sticking and repeating, but banging on it a few times 
> usually got it working...
>

Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

[_ Winterlight]

I think it would be a lot easier just to replace the keyboard on the laptop 
...if you can get oneor use a Bluetooth keyboard or even a USB keyboard. 
Logitech sells wireless keyboards with track pads. I use one with my TV 


From: Hardware  on behalf of Bino 
Gopal 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 4:39 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

Ok this is SUPER WEIRD-the 9 key (and thus the left parentheses) started 
working randomly today during the day for about 10 mins-I used both for like 10 
mins today (tested it multiple times to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating) and 
it was working fine!

Then a few mins after I tried it again and it wasn’t working again!  So this 
indicates that it’s likely some sort of weird software problem right?  …or I 
suppose it could be a weird random sticky hardware key problem…

Any idea here??

BINO


> On Feb 26, 2024, at 14:53, Bino Gopal  wrote:
>
> Bueller...?  The list didn't die since New Year's Day (the last thread that 
> I saw), did it...?! 😝
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bino 
> Gopal
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 10:36 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...
>
> So this seems like a perfect HWG list question...
>
> I have a weird problem that just started happening a few weeks ago on the 
> keyboard of my LG Gram laptop from 2021...
>
> The 9 key across the top stopped working completely (I have to use the one on 
> the numeric keypad to type 9).
>
> I also can't use the left parentheses, and AFAIK there's no way to get that 
> symbol without using the ASCII key codes for it, ALT-0028-X, but that 
> apparently doesn't work everywhere like in Google Chat as I tried it to no 
> avail (unless some knows some trick to make it work) and I had to paste this 
> one in from the Character Map, which looks like it was the wrong font/size 
> now... :P
>
> Weirdly enough the 7 key on the numeric keypad also stopped working too.  
> Those are the only two keys that aren't working AFAIK...
>
> So I was wondering...I usually have taken my much older IBM Thinkpads apart 
> in the past, and esp my last laptop, an MSI gaming laptop which had a lot of 
> issues with the cover hinge breaking-but I stopped needing to do that back in 
> 2020 or so and I'm not sure this LG Gram is as forgiving at being opened...
>
> Is my only hope to take this sucker apart and see if there's something stuck 
> in those keys and it's some sort of physical issue causing the keys not to 
> work, or is this possibly some sort of software short circuit as the keys 
> feel fine and it's weird that those two just randomly stopped working no...?
>
> Any help/advice appreciated!  TIA!
>
>   
>  BINO
>
> P.S.  In the past I've had issues with some of the keys, maybe even the 9 key 
> itself not working or sticking and repeating, but banging on it a few times 
> usually got it working...
>

Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

[Bino Gopal]

Ok this is SUPER WEIRD-the 9 key (and thus the left parentheses) started 
working randomly today during the day for about 10 mins-I used both for like 10 
mins today (tested it multiple times to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating) and 
it was working fine!

Then a few mins after I tried it again and it wasn’t working again!  So this 
indicates that it’s likely some sort of weird software problem right?  …or I 
suppose it could be a weird random sticky hardware key problem…

Any idea here??

BINO


> On Feb 26, 2024, at 14:53, Bino Gopal  wrote:
> 
> Bueller...?  The list didn't die since New Year's Day (the last thread that 
> I saw), did it...?! 😝
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bino 
> Gopal
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 10:36 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...
> 
> So this seems like a perfect HWG list question...
> 
> I have a weird problem that just started happening a few weeks ago on the 
> keyboard of my LG Gram laptop from 2021...
> 
> The 9 key across the top stopped working completely (I have to use the one on 
> the numeric keypad to type 9).
> 
> I also can't use the left parentheses, and AFAIK there's no way to get that 
> symbol without using the ASCII key codes for it, ALT-0028-X, but that 
> apparently doesn't work everywhere like in Google Chat as I tried it to no 
> avail (unless some knows some trick to make it work) and I had to paste this 
> one in from the Character Map, which looks like it was the wrong font/size 
> now... :P
> 
> Weirdly enough the 7 key on the numeric keypad also stopped working too.  
> Those are the only two keys that aren't working AFAIK...
> 
> So I was wondering...I usually have taken my much older IBM Thinkpads apart 
> in the past, and esp my last laptop, an MSI gaming laptop which had a lot of 
> issues with the cover hinge breaking-but I stopped needing to do that back in 
> 2020 or so and I'm not sure this LG Gram is as forgiving at being opened...
> 
> Is my only hope to take this sucker apart and see if there's something stuck 
> in those keys and it's some sort of physical issue causing the keys not to 
> work, or is this possibly some sort of software short circuit as the keys 
> feel fine and it's weird that those two just randomly stopped working no...?
> 
> Any help/advice appreciated!  TIA!
> 
>   
>  BINO
> 
> P.S.  In the past I've had issues with some of the keys, maybe even the 9 key 
> itself not working or sticking and repeating, but banging on it a few times 
> usually got it working...
> 

Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

[Bino Gopal]

Bueller...?  The list didn't die since New Year's Day (the last thread that I 
saw), did it...?! 😝


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bino 
Gopal
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 10:36 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

So this seems like a perfect HWG list question...

I have a weird problem that just started happening a few weeks ago on the 
keyboard of my LG Gram laptop from 2021...

The 9 key across the top stopped working completely (I have to use the one on 
the numeric keypad to type 9).

I also can't use the left parentheses, and AFAIK there's no way to get that 
symbol without using the ASCII key codes for it, ALT-0028-X, but that 
apparently doesn't work everywhere like in Google Chat as I tried it to no 
avail (unless some knows some trick to make it work) and I had to paste this 
one in from the Character Map, which looks like it was the wrong font/size 
now... :P

Weirdly enough the 7 key on the numeric keypad also stopped working too.  Those 
are the only two keys that aren't working AFAIK...

So I was wondering...I usually have taken my much older IBM Thinkpads apart in 
the past, and esp my last laptop, an MSI gaming laptop which had a lot of 
issues with the cover hinge breaking-but I stopped needing to do that back in 
2020 or so and I'm not sure this LG Gram is as forgiving at being opened...

Is my only hope to take this sucker apart and see if there's something stuck in 
those keys and it's some sort of physical issue causing the keys not to work, 
or is this possibly some sort of software short circuit as the keys feel fine 
and it's weird that those two just randomly stopped working no...?

Any help/advice appreciated!  TIA!


BINO

P.S.  In the past I've had issues with some of the keys, maybe even the 9 key 
itself not working or sticking and repeating, but banging on it a few times 
usually got it working...

Re: [H] is there still a way to auto boot = log in to windows 10

[Thane K. Sherrington]

It works.  I use it all the time.

Set the username to the username environment variable (go to a command 
prompt and type set username to see it).
Set the domain the the computername environment variable (go to a 
command prompt and type set computername to see it).

Set the password.

I use it on a daily basis at work, so let me know if it gives you problems.

T

On 01-Jan-2024 6:57 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

It doesn't seem to work in Home  ( I hate working with Home) because the user 
name and password are a MS account  = outlook email address  and then MS turns 
it into an abbreviation for the user who doesn't use a password but a pin. None 
of which is accepted by autologin. It is as hopelessly confusing as it can be.  
But I am glad I have this so I can use it on Pro versions with normal users. 
Did I mention I hate Windows Home?





From: Hardware  on behalf of Thane K. 
Sherrington 
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2024 1:43 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] is there still a way to auto boot = log in to windows 10

Try Sysinternals Autologon -
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autologon

On 01-Jan-2024 2:31 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

Happy New Year to the List...it amazes me that we are all still here !

I am dealing with a windows 10 home laptop. It seems like MS has defeated every 
way users have come up with to auto log into windows. They want you to have an 
authenticated account and they want you to log in every time. Does anybody know 
a working method for 2024. I would like to upgrade this laptop to PRO. Does 
anybody have a retail key to windows 7 or 8 PRO that has not been used to 
upgrade to 10. If you would like to sell it please back channel me. Thanks

Re: [H] is there still a way to auto boot = log in to windows 10

[_ Winterlight]

It doesn't seem to work in Home  ( I hate working with Home) because the user 
name and password are a MS account  = outlook email address  and then MS turns 
it into an abbreviation for the user who doesn't use a password but a pin. None 
of which is accepted by autologin. It is as hopelessly confusing as it can be.  
But I am glad I have this so I can use it on Pro versions with normal users. 
Did I mention I hate Windows Home?





From: Hardware  on behalf of Thane K. 
Sherrington 
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2024 1:43 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] is there still a way to auto boot = log in to windows 10

Try Sysinternals Autologon -
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autologon

On 01-Jan-2024 2:31 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> Happy New Year to the List...it amazes me that we are all still here !
>
> I am dealing with a windows 10 home laptop. It seems like MS has defeated 
> every way users have come up with to auto log into windows. They want you to 
> have an authenticated account and they want you to log in every time. Does 
> anybody know a working method for 2024. I would like to upgrade this laptop 
> to PRO. Does anybody have a retail key to windows 7 or 8 PRO that has not 
> been used to upgrade to 10. If you would like to sell it please back channel 
> me. Thanks
> 

Re: [H] is there still a way to auto boot = log in to windows 10

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Try Sysinternals Autologon - 
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autologon


On 01-Jan-2024 2:31 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

Happy New Year to the List...it amazes me that we are all still here !

I am dealing with a windows 10 home laptop. It seems like MS has defeated every 
way users have come up with to auto log into windows. They want you to have an 
authenticated account and they want you to log in every time. Does anybody know 
a working method for 2024. I would like to upgrade this laptop to PRO. Does 
anybody have a retail key to windows 7 or 8 PRO that has not been used to 
upgrade to 10. If you would like to sell it please back channel me. Thanks

Re: [H] is there still a way to auto boot = log in to windows 10

[Greg Sevart]

If you're just talking about automatic login after reboot, this tool still 
works--at least for Pro.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autologon


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2024 12:31 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] is there still a way to auto boot = log in to windows 10

Happy New Year to the List...it amazes me that we are all still here !

I am dealing with a windows 10 home laptop. It seems like MS has defeated every 
way users have come up with to auto log into windows. They want you to have an 
authenticated account and they want you to log in every time. Does anybody know 
a working method for 2024. I would like to upgrade this laptop to PRO. Does 
anybody have a retail key to windows 7 or 8 PRO that has not been used to 
upgrade to 10. If you would like to sell it please back channel me. Thanks 

Re: [H] October 25, 2025

[James Boswell]

With regards to Linux gaming, I'll tell you hwhat, I've got a Steamdeck,
the (Linux based) SteamOS they use runs Windows binaries through the Proton
translation shim and it's pretty astonishing how well it works a lot of the
time.

The caveat is that there are some things that it just _won't_ run, often
falling foul of anti-cheat measures (Destiny 2 is a big casualty there)

-JB

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 at 23:21, FORC5  wrote:

>
> agree, mine (not that old) failed the tmp
> test until Asus came out with a bios update
> that fixes whatever tpm checks for.
>
> if MS follows tradition 11 will be a bad OS
> and 12 will be better. always Ubunto, if it
> would get in line for gaming.
>
> fp
>
> On 4/30/2023 1:13 PM, _ Winterlight wrote:
> > I am curious what others think about the October 25, 2025 end of life
> for Windows 10.  The usual process is to update to Windows 11 however, in
> the vast majority of cases that won't be possible. Without the special chip
> on board you can't run windows 11 so I guess they expect you to throw you
> old laptop or desktop away and get a new one. I have a number of laptops
> and a  couple of desktops that all are used for different jobs so I guess
> in 2 and a half years I will have to throw them away start over even if
> they are running perfectly fine.  If we spiral down into a recession I find
> it hard to believe that corporations and even government ancencies will be
> happy about filling recycle centers with obsolete computers at a scale we
> have never seen before
> >
> > What does the collective think about this?
> >
> > 
>

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Joshua MacCraw]

Yeah mine is similar https://pcpartpicker.com/list/72xVmD

On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 5:14 AM Brian Weeden  wrote:

> Great to hear from you all :)
>
> I am also (finally) in the market for a new build, although it’s only been
> 5 years for me since I put together an Intel 8700k build and not 10 like OP
> :)
>
> I was looking for a new build that will last another 5 years (hopefully)
> and given that Intel has said the current LGA 1700 is only going to support
> one more generation I am also going with AMD for the first time ever. Part
> list:
> https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rs4YmD
>
> Not included are the case (Cooler Master Silencio) and video card (Nvidia
> 3070Ti) that I will be carrying over from my current build.
>
> This new build not only uses the AM5 socket, which AMD claims it will
> support for at least two more gens, but the X670 chipset that supports PCI
> 5.0 for both expansion cards and NVME sockets. That means it will hopefully
> support a couple more generations of new video cards as well as the next
> gen of SSDs:
> https://www.pcworld.com/article/1676119/pcie-5-ssd-5-reasons-upgrade.html
>
> BTW, if you guys haven't discovered it yet, there's a pretty great
> community of PC builder enthusiasts over at
> https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:27 AM James Boswell  wrote:
>
> > 7800X3D?
> >
> > Although I think you've just brain hiccupped? Q6600 is a Core 2 Quad and
> > Z87-A would take Haswell generation parts like a 4570K or 4790K
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 04:23, Joshua MacCraw  wrote:
> >
> > > Whoa, activity! Hello all!
> > >
> > > Just recently finally put my aging Asus Z87-A /w Q6600 + R9 280 out to
> > > pasture in favor of a new AM5 build. Amazing 1440 gaming so far! =)
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 7:56 PM Greg Sevart  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Truthfully this is probably the most correct answer--while a fine
> > system
> > > > in its day, the P9X79 platform is easily eclipsed even with the most
> > > > budget-friendly builds today.
> > > >
> > > > That being said, I just went and found my old P9X79 WS board. It's
> > been a
> > > > few years since it's been in service, but you are welcome to it if
> you
> > > want
> > > > to try a replacement board.
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Hardware  On Behalf
> Of
> > > > lopaka polena
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:26 PM
> > > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)
> > > >
> > > > My recommendation would be all new everything and check your
> components
> > > > once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know
> > > anybody
> > > > with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working
> but
> > it
> > > > will take more time
> > > >
> > > > lopaka
> > > >
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> > > > >
> > > > Virus-free.www.avast.com
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> > > > >
> > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a
> > > > > RAM config button (some do).  If so, try that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies
> > > > > which will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
> > > > >
> > > > > T
> > > > >
> > > > > On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > > > > > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.
>  My
> > > > > original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Joshua MacCraw]

Yep, with a 7800XT!

You're right, I think the Q6600 was last last PC from '09. The Z87-A from
'13 was in fact a some 4xxxK series chip. RIP =)



On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 11:29 PM James Boswell  wrote:

> 7800X3D?
>
> Although I think you've just brain hiccupped? Q6600 is a Core 2 Quad and
> Z87-A would take Haswell generation parts like a 4570K or 4790K
>
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 04:23, Joshua MacCraw  wrote:
>
> > Whoa, activity! Hello all!
> >
> > Just recently finally put my aging Asus Z87-A /w Q6600 + R9 280 out to
> > pasture in favor of a new AM5 build. Amazing 1440 gaming so far! =)
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 7:56 PM Greg Sevart  wrote:
> >
> > > Truthfully this is probably the most correct answer--while a fine
> system
> > > in its day, the P9X79 platform is easily eclipsed even with the most
> > > budget-friendly builds today.
> > >
> > > That being said, I just went and found my old P9X79 WS board. It's
> been a
> > > few years since it's been in service, but you are welcome to it if you
> > want
> > > to try a replacement board.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > > lopaka polena
> > > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:26 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)
> > >
> > > My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components
> > > once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know
> > anybody
> > > with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but
> it
> > > will take more time
> > >
> > > lopaka
> > >
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> > > >
> > > Virus-free.www.avast.com
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> > > >
> > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
> > > >
> > > > I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a
> > > > RAM config button (some do).  If so, try that.
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies
> > > > which will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
> > > >
> > > > T
> > > >
> > > > On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > > > > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> > > > original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the
> > > > board reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did
> a
> > > > major cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just
> > > > fine. I had a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them.
> > > > What I had installed was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866.
> > > > What I added into bank two was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600.
> > > > It didn’t seem to recognize all the RAM so I went into the BIOS to
> try
> > > > different settings. I enabled Auto Memory frequency settings saved
> and
> > > > exited out. This is when my troubles began.
> > > > >
> > > > > The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black
> screen.
> > > > At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto
> > > > flashing the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing
> > > > the bios with the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off
> > > > the board, removed it from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a
> > > > month. Then I cleaned everything and put it back together but same
> > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed
> > > > > down
> > > > and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a
> > > > used but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to
> > > > just throw this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any
> > > > ideas to jump start the board? Thanks 
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Greg Sevart]

Fair enough. Definitely happy to send it along if the BIOS doesn’t work, and 
not looking for any compensation for it.

It still has the CPU (3930K) and RAM (4x8GB G.Skill DDR3-2133) installed, which 
I'd send with it.

The 8C/16T notation just means 8 cores with 2-threads-per-core SMT (in Intel 
parlance, Hyperthreading) just like your IVB-E chip.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 8:53 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

Thanks Greg! I appreciate the offer. However, I was looking at used boards on 
EBAY when I discovered I could buy a new BIOS chip for 14 bucks...I was 
surprised. So I ordered one last night. I think that may be my problem because 
right after the board went out I was unable to even restore the BIOS with the 
rescue flash feature.  I completely agree with you as to the age of the 
platform. But it is the computer I use with my TV to stream, record, browse, 
and manage my security cameras. It has been very nice for that purpose and it 
is customized and tweaked for my needs and I am lazy and don't want to redo 
everything. So if the new BIOS chip doesn't do the trick I will take you up on 
your offer.

On Black Friday I did buy a replacement for my TV PC on Amazon. I have used a 
quad core Celeron NUC now for years  on a kitchen PC and I think they are great 
so I was looking to buy a I5 version to replace my broken system. But I ended 
up buying this Beelink SER5 MAX, Mini PC Ryzen 7 5800H (8C/16T, Turbo 4.4GHz), 
32GB DDR4 RAM 500GB PCIe3.0 SSD Desktop Mini Computers Support 4K@60Hz Triple 
Display/WiFi 6/BT5.2/DP+HDMI+USB-C/USB3.2/RJ45 LAN on sale for  for $309...now 
priced at 
$459https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BYJKD2BX?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

I know nothing about Beelink or Ryzen CPUs but I am amazed that they could put 
this much tech and performance in such a small package = 4 X  4x2.5 inches.  
This supports three 4k monitors and I could use this as my primary computer. I 
haven't even tried it yet. I don't know if this was a good deal or not. Are 
these reliable and what is the deal with the cores. What is meant by 8 cores \ 
16T mean? Is this 16 virtual cores?






From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 7:56 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

Truthfully this is probably the most correct answer--while a fine system in its 
day, the P9X79 platform is easily eclipsed even with the most budget-friendly 
builds today.

That being said, I just went and found my old P9X79 WS board. It's been a few 
years since it's been in service, but you are welcome to it if you want to try 
a replacement board.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of lopaka 
polena
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:26 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)

My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components once 
you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know anybody with 
spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it will take 
more time

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On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington < 
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:

> You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
>
> I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a 
> RAM config button (some do).  If so, try that.
>
> Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies 
> which will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
>
> T
>
> On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the 
> board reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a 
> major cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just 
> fine. I had a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them.
> What I had installed was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866.
> What I added into bank two was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600.
> It didn’t seem to recognize all the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try 
> different settings. I enabled Auto Memory frequency settings saved and 
> exited out. This is when my troubles began.
> >
> > The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the scr

[H] Reconnecting - was Re: P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Hey Tim,
    Are you still doing data recovery?

Thane K. Sherrington

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*Thanks for making us the Reader's Choice Best Computer Store in 2016, 
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On 04-Dec-2023 9:10 p.m., Beave wrote:

Ooh! Hello!

Tim Lider
1st Degree Black Belt at Cardenas School of Modern Arnis and Arnis de Mano

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023, 4:20 PM Christopher Fisk
wrote:


Should we do a sound off? lol

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 2:26 PM lopaka polena  wrote:


I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)

My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components
once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know

anybody

with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it
will take more time

lopaka

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On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:


You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)

I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a RAM
config button (some do).  If so, try that.

Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies which
will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.

T

On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My

original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the

board

reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a major
cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just fine. I

had

a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them. What I had

installed

was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866. What I added into bank

two

was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600. It didn’t seem to recognize

all

the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try different settings. I enabled

Auto

Memory frequency settings saved and exited out. This is when my

troubles

began.

The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.

At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto

flashing

the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing the bios

with

the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off the board,

removed

it

from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a month. Then I cleaned
everything and put it back together but same problem.

It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed

down

and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a

used

but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to just

throw

this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any ideas to jump

start

the board? Thanks 

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[_ Winterlight]

Thanks Greg! I appreciate the offer. However, I was looking at used boards on 
EBAY when I discovered I could buy a new BIOS chip for 14 bucks...I was 
surprised. So I ordered one last night. I think that may be my problem because 
right after the board went out I was unable to even restore the BIOS with the 
rescue flash feature.  I completely agree with you as to the age of the 
platform. But it is the computer I use with my TV to stream, record, browse, 
and manage my security cameras. It has been very nice for that purpose and it 
is customized and tweaked for my needs and I am lazy and don't want to redo 
everything. So if the new BIOS chip doesn't do the trick I will take you up on 
your offer.

On Black Friday I did buy a replacement for my TV PC on Amazon. I have used a 
quad core Celeron NUC now for years  on a kitchen PC and I think they are great 
so I was looking to buy a I5 version to replace my broken system. But I ended 
up buying this Beelink SER5 MAX, Mini PC Ryzen 7 5800H (8C/16T, Turbo 4.4GHz), 
32GB DDR4 RAM 500GB PCIe3.0 SSD Desktop Mini Computers Support 4K@60Hz Triple 
Display/WiFi 6/BT5.2/DP+HDMI+USB-C/USB3.2/RJ45 LAN on sale for  for $309...now 
priced at 
$459https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BYJKD2BX?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

I know nothing about Beelink or Ryzen CPUs but I am amazed that they could put 
this much tech and performance in such a small package = 4 X  4x2.5 inches.  
This supports three 4k monitors and I could use this as my primary computer. I 
haven't even tried it yet. I don't know if this was a good deal or not. Are 
these reliable and what is the deal with the cores. What is meant by 8 cores \ 
16T mean? Is this 16 virtual cores?






From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 7:56 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

Truthfully this is probably the most correct answer--while a fine system in its 
day, the P9X79 platform is easily eclipsed even with the most budget-friendly 
builds today.

That being said, I just went and found my old P9X79 WS board. It's been a few 
years since it's been in service, but you are welcome to it if you want to try 
a replacement board.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of lopaka 
polena
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:26 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)

My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components once 
you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know anybody with 
spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it will take 
more time

lopaka

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On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington < 
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:

> You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
>
> I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a
> RAM config button (some do).  If so, try that.
>
> Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies
> which will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
>
> T
>
> On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the
> board reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a
> major cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just
> fine. I had a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them.
> What I had installed was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866.
> What I added into bank two was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600.
> It didn’t seem to recognize all the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try
> different settings. I enabled Auto Memory frequency settings saved and
> exited out. This is when my troubles began.
> >
> > The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.
> At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto
> flashing the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing
> the bios with the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off
> the board, removed it from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a
> month. Then I cleaned everything and put it back together but same problem.
> >
> > It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed
> > down
> and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a
> used but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to
> just throw this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any
> ideas to jump start the board? Thanks 
>
>

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Brian Weeden]

I really hope so!

Then my problem will be my 15-yr old gamer son who will insist that I redo
his rig next. And my answer of course will be "get a job and you can do it
yourself" LOL.

-
Brian



On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 8:17 AM James Boswell  wrote:

> That collection of parts will haul ass in the best way.
>
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 13:14, Brian Weeden  wrote:
>
> > Great to hear from you all :)
> >
> > I am also (finally) in the market for a new build, although it’s only
> been
> > 5 years for me since I put together an Intel 8700k build and not 10 like
> OP
> > :)
> >
> > I was looking for a new build that will last another 5 years (hopefully)
> > and given that Intel has said the current LGA 1700 is only going to
> support
> > one more generation I am also going with AMD for the first time ever.
> Part
> > list:
> > https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rs4YmD
> >
> > Not included are the case (Cooler Master Silencio) and video card (Nvidia
> > 3070Ti) that I will be carrying over from my current build.
> >
> > This new build not only uses the AM5 socket, which AMD claims it will
> > support for at least two more gens, but the X670 chipset that supports
> PCI
> > 5.0 for both expansion cards and NVME sockets. That means it will
> hopefully
> > support a couple more generations of new video cards as well as the next
> > gen of SSDs:
> >
> https://www.pcworld.com/article/1676119/pcie-5-ssd-5-reasons-upgrade.html
> >
> > BTW, if you guys haven't discovered it yet, there's a pretty great
> > community of PC builder enthusiasts over at
> > https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:27 AM James Boswell 
> wrote:
> >
> > > 7800X3D?
> > >
> > > Although I think you've just brain hiccupped? Q6600 is a Core 2 Quad
> and
> > > Z87-A would take Haswell generation parts like a 4570K or 4790K
> > >
> > > On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 04:23, Joshua MacCraw 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Whoa, activity! Hello all!
> > > >
> > > > Just recently finally put my aging Asus Z87-A /w Q6600 + R9 280 out
> to
> > > > pasture in favor of a new AM5 build. Amazing 1440 gaming so far! =)
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 7:56 PM Greg Sevart  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Truthfully this is probably the most correct answer--while a fine
> > > system
> > > > > in its day, the P9X79 platform is easily eclipsed even with the
> most
> > > > > budget-friendly builds today.
> > > > >
> > > > > That being said, I just went and found my old P9X79 WS board. It's
> > > been a
> > > > > few years since it's been in service, but you are welcome to it if
> > you
> > > > want
> > > > > to try a replacement board.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Hardware  On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > lopaka polena
> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:26 PM
> > > > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me
> > > > >
> > > > > I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)
> > > > >
> > > > > My recommendation would be all new everything and check your
> > components
> > > > > once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know
> > > > anybody
> > > > > with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working
> > but
> > > it
> > > > > will take more time
> > > > >
> > > > > lopaka
> > > > >
> > > > > <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > > 

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[James Boswell]

That collection of parts will haul ass in the best way.

On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 13:14, Brian Weeden  wrote:

> Great to hear from you all :)
>
> I am also (finally) in the market for a new build, although it’s only been
> 5 years for me since I put together an Intel 8700k build and not 10 like OP
> :)
>
> I was looking for a new build that will last another 5 years (hopefully)
> and given that Intel has said the current LGA 1700 is only going to support
> one more generation I am also going with AMD for the first time ever. Part
> list:
> https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rs4YmD
>
> Not included are the case (Cooler Master Silencio) and video card (Nvidia
> 3070Ti) that I will be carrying over from my current build.
>
> This new build not only uses the AM5 socket, which AMD claims it will
> support for at least two more gens, but the X670 chipset that supports PCI
> 5.0 for both expansion cards and NVME sockets. That means it will hopefully
> support a couple more generations of new video cards as well as the next
> gen of SSDs:
> https://www.pcworld.com/article/1676119/pcie-5-ssd-5-reasons-upgrade.html
>
> BTW, if you guys haven't discovered it yet, there's a pretty great
> community of PC builder enthusiasts over at
> https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:27 AM James Boswell  wrote:
>
> > 7800X3D?
> >
> > Although I think you've just brain hiccupped? Q6600 is a Core 2 Quad and
> > Z87-A would take Haswell generation parts like a 4570K or 4790K
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 04:23, Joshua MacCraw  wrote:
> >
> > > Whoa, activity! Hello all!
> > >
> > > Just recently finally put my aging Asus Z87-A /w Q6600 + R9 280 out to
> > > pasture in favor of a new AM5 build. Amazing 1440 gaming so far! =)
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 7:56 PM Greg Sevart  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Truthfully this is probably the most correct answer--while a fine
> > system
> > > > in its day, the P9X79 platform is easily eclipsed even with the most
> > > > budget-friendly builds today.
> > > >
> > > > That being said, I just went and found my old P9X79 WS board. It's
> > been a
> > > > few years since it's been in service, but you are welcome to it if
> you
> > > want
> > > > to try a replacement board.
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Hardware  On Behalf
> Of
> > > > lopaka polena
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:26 PM
> > > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)
> > > >
> > > > My recommendation would be all new everything and check your
> components
> > > > once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know
> > > anybody
> > > > with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working
> but
> > it
> > > > will take more time
> > > >
> > > > lopaka
> > > >
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > >
> > >
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> > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a
> > > > > RAM config button (some do).  If so, try that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies
> > > > > which will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
> > > > >
> > > > > T
> > > > >
> > > > > On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > > > > > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.
>  My
> > > > > original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot 

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Brian Weeden]

Great to hear from you all :)

I am also (finally) in the market for a new build, although it’s only been
5 years for me since I put together an Intel 8700k build and not 10 like OP
:)

I was looking for a new build that will last another 5 years (hopefully)
and given that Intel has said the current LGA 1700 is only going to support
one more generation I am also going with AMD for the first time ever. Part
list:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rs4YmD

Not included are the case (Cooler Master Silencio) and video card (Nvidia
3070Ti) that I will be carrying over from my current build.

This new build not only uses the AM5 socket, which AMD claims it will
support for at least two more gens, but the X670 chipset that supports PCI
5.0 for both expansion cards and NVME sockets. That means it will hopefully
support a couple more generations of new video cards as well as the next
gen of SSDs:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1676119/pcie-5-ssd-5-reasons-upgrade.html

BTW, if you guys haven't discovered it yet, there's a pretty great
community of PC builder enthusiasts over at
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/

On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:27 AM James Boswell  wrote:

> 7800X3D?
>
> Although I think you've just brain hiccupped? Q6600 is a Core 2 Quad and
> Z87-A would take Haswell generation parts like a 4570K or 4790K
>
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 04:23, Joshua MacCraw  wrote:
>
> > Whoa, activity! Hello all!
> >
> > Just recently finally put my aging Asus Z87-A /w Q6600 + R9 280 out to
> > pasture in favor of a new AM5 build. Amazing 1440 gaming so far! =)
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 7:56 PM Greg Sevart  wrote:
> >
> > > Truthfully this is probably the most correct answer--while a fine
> system
> > > in its day, the P9X79 platform is easily eclipsed even with the most
> > > budget-friendly builds today.
> > >
> > > That being said, I just went and found my old P9X79 WS board. It's
> been a
> > > few years since it's been in service, but you are welcome to it if you
> > want
> > > to try a replacement board.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > > lopaka polena
> > > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:26 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)
> > >
> > > My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components
> > > once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know
> > anybody
> > > with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but
> it
> > > will take more time
> > >
> > > lopaka
> > >
> > > <
> > >
> >
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> > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
> > > >
> > > > I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a
> > > > RAM config button (some do).  If so, try that.
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies
> > > > which will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
> > > >
> > > > T
> > > >
> > > > On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > > > > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> > > > original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the
> > > > board reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did
> a
> > > > major cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just
> > > > fine. I had a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them.
> > > > What I had installed was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866.
> > > > What I added into bank two was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600.
> > > > It didn’t seem to recognize all the RAM so I went into the BIOS to
> try
> > > > different settings. I enabled Auto Memory frequency settings s

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[James Boswell]

7800X3D?

Although I think you've just brain hiccupped? Q6600 is a Core 2 Quad and
Z87-A would take Haswell generation parts like a 4570K or 4790K

On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 04:23, Joshua MacCraw  wrote:

> Whoa, activity! Hello all!
>
> Just recently finally put my aging Asus Z87-A /w Q6600 + R9 280 out to
> pasture in favor of a new AM5 build. Amazing 1440 gaming so far! =)
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 7:56 PM Greg Sevart  wrote:
>
> > Truthfully this is probably the most correct answer--while a fine system
> > in its day, the P9X79 platform is easily eclipsed even with the most
> > budget-friendly builds today.
> >
> > That being said, I just went and found my old P9X79 WS board. It's been a
> > few years since it's been in service, but you are welcome to it if you
> want
> > to try a replacement board.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > lopaka polena
> > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:26 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)
> >
> > My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components
> > once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know
> anybody
> > with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it
> > will take more time
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > <
> >
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> > >
> > Virus-free.www.avast.com
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> >
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> > >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
> > >
> > > I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a
> > > RAM config button (some do).  If so, try that.
> > >
> > > Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies
> > > which will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > > On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > > > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> > > original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the
> > > board reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a
> > > major cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just
> > > fine. I had a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them.
> > > What I had installed was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866.
> > > What I added into bank two was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600.
> > > It didn’t seem to recognize all the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try
> > > different settings. I enabled Auto Memory frequency settings saved and
> > > exited out. This is when my troubles began.
> > > >
> > > > The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.
> > > At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto
> > > flashing the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing
> > > the bios with the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off
> > > the board, removed it from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a
> > > month. Then I cleaned everything and put it back together but same
> > problem.
> > > >
> > > > It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed
> > > > down
> > > and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a
> > > used but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to
> > > just throw this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any
> > > ideas to jump start the board? Thanks 
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[James Boswell]

I'm still here.

On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 00:20, Christopher Fisk 
wrote:

> Should we do a sound off? lol
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 2:26 PM lopaka polena  wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)
> >
> > My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components
> > once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know
> anybody
> > with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it
> > will take more time
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > <
> >
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> > >
> > Virus-free.www.avast.com
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> >
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> > >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
> > >
> > > I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a RAM
> > > config button (some do).  If so, try that.
> > >
> > > Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies which
> > > will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > > On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > > > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> > > original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the
> > board
> > > reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a major
> > > cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just fine. I
> > had
> > > a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them. What I had
> > installed
> > > was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866. What I added into bank
> two
> > > was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600. It didn’t seem to recognize
> all
> > > the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try different settings. I enabled
> Auto
> > > Memory frequency settings saved and exited out. This is when my
> troubles
> > > began.
> > > >
> > > > The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.
> > > At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto
> flashing
> > > the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing the bios
> with
> > > the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off the board,
> removed
> > it
> > > from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a month. Then I cleaned
> > > everything and put it back together but same problem.
> > > >
> > > > It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed
> > down
> > > and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a
> used
> > > but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to just
> throw
> > > this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any ideas to jump
> > start
> > > the board? Thanks 
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Joshua MacCraw]

Whoa, activity! Hello all!

Just recently finally put my aging Asus Z87-A /w Q6600 + R9 280 out to
pasture in favor of a new AM5 build. Amazing 1440 gaming so far! =)

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 7:56 PM Greg Sevart  wrote:

> Truthfully this is probably the most correct answer--while a fine system
> in its day, the P9X79 platform is easily eclipsed even with the most
> budget-friendly builds today.
>
> That being said, I just went and found my old P9X79 WS board. It's been a
> few years since it's been in service, but you are welcome to it if you want
> to try a replacement board.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> lopaka polena
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:26 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me
>
> I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)
>
> My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components
> once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know anybody
> with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it
> will take more time
>
> lopaka
>
> <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> >
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> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
> th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
>
> > You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
> >
> > I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a
> > RAM config button (some do).  If so, try that.
> >
> > Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies
> > which will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
> >
> > T
> >
> > On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> > original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the
> > board reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a
> > major cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just
> > fine. I had a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them.
> > What I had installed was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866.
> > What I added into bank two was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600.
> > It didn’t seem to recognize all the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try
> > different settings. I enabled Auto Memory frequency settings saved and
> > exited out. This is when my troubles began.
> > >
> > > The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.
> > At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto
> > flashing the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing
> > the bios with the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off
> > the board, removed it from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a
> > month. Then I cleaned everything and put it back together but same
> problem.
> > >
> > > It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed
> > > down
> > and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a
> > used but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to
> > just throw this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any
> > ideas to jump start the board? Thanks 
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Greg Sevart]

Truthfully this is probably the most correct answer--while a fine system in its 
day, the P9X79 platform is easily eclipsed even with the most budget-friendly 
builds today.

That being said, I just went and found my old P9X79 WS board. It's been a few 
years since it's been in service, but you are welcome to it if you want to try 
a replacement board.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of lopaka 
polena
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:26 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)

My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components once 
you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know anybody with 
spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it will take 
more time

lopaka

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On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington < 
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:

> You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
>
> I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a 
> RAM config button (some do).  If so, try that.
>
> Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies 
> which will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
>
> T
>
> On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the 
> board reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a 
> major cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just 
> fine. I had a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them. 
> What I had installed was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866. 
> What I added into bank two was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600. 
> It didn’t seem to recognize all the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try 
> different settings. I enabled Auto Memory frequency settings saved and 
> exited out. This is when my troubles began.
> >
> > The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.
> At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto 
> flashing the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing 
> the bios with the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off 
> the board, removed it from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a 
> month. Then I cleaned everything and put it back together but same problem.
> >
> > It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed 
> > down
> and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a 
> used but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to 
> just throw this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any 
> ideas to jump start the board? Thanks 
>
>

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Beave]

Ooh! Hello!

Tim Lider
1st Degree Black Belt at Cardenas School of Modern Arnis and Arnis de Mano

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023, 4:20 PM Christopher Fisk 
wrote:

> Should we do a sound off? lol
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 2:26 PM lopaka polena  wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)
> >
> > My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components
> > once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know
> anybody
> > with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it
> > will take more time
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > <
> >
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> > >
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> >
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> > >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> >
> > > You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
> > >
> > > I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a RAM
> > > config button (some do).  If so, try that.
> > >
> > > Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies which
> > > will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > > On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > > > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> > > original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the
> > board
> > > reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a major
> > > cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just fine. I
> > had
> > > a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them. What I had
> > installed
> > > was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866. What I added into bank
> two
> > > was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600. It didn’t seem to recognize
> all
> > > the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try different settings. I enabled
> Auto
> > > Memory frequency settings saved and exited out. This is when my
> troubles
> > > began.
> > > >
> > > > The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.
> > > At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto
> flashing
> > > the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing the bios
> with
> > > the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off the board,
> removed
> > it
> > > from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a month. Then I cleaned
> > > everything and put it back together but same problem.
> > > >
> > > > It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed
> > down
> > > and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a
> used
> > > but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to just
> throw
> > > this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any ideas to jump
> > start
> > > the board? Thanks 
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Hey Lopaka,
    Great to hear from you!  Man, the hardware list were some good 
times. :)


T

On 04-Dec-2023 3:26 p.m., lopaka polena wrote:

I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)

My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components
once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know anybody
with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it
will take more time

lopaka


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On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:


You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)

I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a RAM
config button (some do).  If so, try that.

Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies which
will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.

T

On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My

original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the board
reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a major
cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just fine. I had
a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them. What I had installed
was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866. What I added into bank two
was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600. It didn’t seem to recognize all
the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try different settings. I enabled Auto
Memory frequency settings saved and exited out. This is when my troubles
began.

The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.

At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto flashing
the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing the bios with
the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off the board, removed it
from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a month. Then I cleaned
everything and put it back together but same problem.

It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed down

and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a used
but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to just throw
this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any ideas to jump start
the board? Thanks 

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Christopher Fisk]

Should we do a sound off? lol

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 2:26 PM lopaka polena  wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)
>
> My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components
> once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know anybody
> with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it
> will take more time
>
> lopaka
>
> <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> >
> Virus-free.www.avast.com
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>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
> th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
>
> > You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
> >
> > I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a RAM
> > config button (some do).  If so, try that.
> >
> > Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies which
> > will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
> >
> > T
> >
> > On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> > original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the
> board
> > reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a major
> > cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just fine. I
> had
> > a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them. What I had
> installed
> > was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866. What I added into bank two
> > was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600. It didn’t seem to recognize all
> > the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try different settings. I enabled Auto
> > Memory frequency settings saved and exited out. This is when my troubles
> > began.
> > >
> > > The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.
> > At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto flashing
> > the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing the bios with
> > the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off the board, removed
> it
> > from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a month. Then I cleaned
> > everything and put it back together but same problem.
> > >
> > > It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed
> down
> > and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a used
> > but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to just throw
> > this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any ideas to jump
> start
> > the board? Thanks 
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[lopaka polena]

I was wondering if anyone was still using the list. Hey Thane :)

My recommendation would be all new everything and check your components
once you have a running system. New cpu/mobo at least. If you know anybody
with spare parts you could try to figure out what is still working but it
will take more time

lopaka


Virus-free.www.avast.com

<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:15 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:

> You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)
>
> I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a RAM
> config button (some do).  If so, try that.
>
> Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies which
> will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.
>
> T
>
> On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My
> original setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the board
> reported a CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a major
> cleaning of the CPU fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just fine. I had
> a couple extra RAM SIMMS so I decided to install them. What I had installed
> was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 4GB SIMM running at 1866. What I added into bank two
> was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 running at 1600. It didn’t seem to recognize all
> the RAM so I went into the BIOS to try different settings. I enabled Auto
> Memory frequency settings saved and exited out. This is when my troubles
> began.
> >
> > The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.
> At first I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto flashing
> the BIOS but it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing the bios with
> the on board pin, and finally I pulled everything off the board, removed it
> from the case and let it sit in it’s box for a month. Then I cleaned
> everything and put it back together but same problem.
> >
> > It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed down
> and then my memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a used
> but tested CPU on Ebay and tried again. Same issue. I hate to just throw
> this board away but I am out of ideas. Anybody have any ideas to jump start
> the board? Thanks 
>
>

Re: [H] P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me

[Thane K. Sherrington]

You are showing your age.  They are DIMMS now. :)

I'd try a single DIMM in each socket.  Does this motherboard have a RAM 
config button (some do).  If so, try that.


Have you tried a different power supply?  I've had power supplies which 
will power up the motherboard but not allow it to boot.


T

On 03-Dec-2023 3:54 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

After 10 years my E6896_P9X79_WS with i7-4930K has failed me.   My original 
setup was running fine but one day it wouldn’t boot and the board reported a 
CPU error. I cleaned the dust off the board and did a major cleaning of the CPU 
fan and heat sink and it seemed to run just fine. I had a couple extra RAM 
SIMMS so I decided to install them. What I had installed was 4 CRUCIAL DDR 3 
4GB SIMM running at 1866. What I added into bank two was two 8GB CRUCIAL DDR3 
running at 1600. It didn’t seem to recognize all the RAM so I went into the 
BIOS to try different settings. I enabled Auto Memory frequency settings saved 
and exited out. This is when my troubles began.

The PC hung at post. I saw nothing on the screen just a black screen.  At first 
I thought something must of got corrupt so I tried auto flashing the BIOS but 
it wasn’t working normally so I tried clearing the bios with the on board pin, 
and finally I pulled everything off the board, removed it from the case and let 
it sit in it’s box for a month. Then I cleaned everything and put it back 
together but same problem.

It occurred to me that maybe the CPU burned out when the fan slowed down and then my 
memory bios adjustment finished it off. So I purchased a used but tested CPU on Ebay 
and tried again. Same issue. I hate to just throw this board away but I am out of 
ideas. Anybody have any ideas to jump start the board? Thanks 

Re: [H] Windows 11

[gmxxx]

no


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of FORC5
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 2:32 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Windows 11


does not 11 force Bitlocker ?

fp

On 8/7/2023 9:02 AM, gm...@att.net wrote:
> You have a problem and it's not W11. I have 3 computers running W11 over year 
> with absolutely no problem.
> I also helped install it on 10 more computers on family machines also with no 
> problems.
> W11 runs fine.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Thane 
> K. Sherrington
> Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 8:55 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Windows 11
>
> In my experience, W11 is flakier than 10, and a bit slower.  When it
> goes wonky (gets trapped in a boot loop for instance, or a repeated
> explorer.exe crash) there doesn't appear to be a way to fix it other
> than a fresh install.  I'd avoid it unless you really need it.
>
> T
>
> On 06-Aug-2023 3:30 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
>> Those of you who are using or dealing with Windows 11..I am talking to you 
>> Greg and Chris ...what do you think of it.   I can see myself updating my 
>> Win10 NUC by the end of the year...which I use with my TV...as a way to ease 
>> into this. So any reviews, hints and or warnings appreciated!
>> 

Re: [H] Windows 11

[FORC5]

thanks, appreciate that. may put it on my 
laptop for grins to play as long as I can 
change the menu program .


have even though of just doing Ubuntu on that 
also but hear not game friendly


fp

On 8/7/2023 11:37 AM, James Boswell wrote:

No, the requirements are TPM and secure boot _capable_, it doesn't require
secure boot to be on nor does it enforce bitlocker.

(Running Win11 Pro on an assortment of Ryzen's over here)

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 at 19:31, FORC5  wrote:


does not 11 force Bitlocker ?

fp

On 8/7/2023 9:02 AM, gm...@att.net wrote:

You have a problem and it's not W11. I have 3 computers running W11 over

year with absolutely no problem.

I also helped install it on 10 more computers on family machines also

with no problems.

W11 runs fine.


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of

Thane K. Sherrington

Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 8:55 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Windows 11

In my experience, W11 is flakier than 10, and a bit slower.  When it
goes wonky (gets trapped in a boot loop for instance, or a repeated
explorer.exe crash) there doesn't appear to be a way to fix it other
than a fresh install.  I'd avoid it unless you really need it.

T

On 06-Aug-2023 3:30 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

Those of you who are using or dealing with Windows 11..I am talking to

you Greg and Chris ...what do you think of it.   I can see myself updating
my Win10 NUC by the end of the year...which I use with my TV...as a way to
ease into this. So any reviews, hints and or warnings appreciated!

Re: [H] Windows 11

[FORC5]

I do not think my backup sw works with 
Bitlocker, could be wrong but my stuff does 
not move around anyway, desktops only and the 
one laptop I have for vacations only does 
email, nothing else.


fp

On 8/7/2023 11:33 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:

Maybe? All my org's Win10 laptops use Bitlocker by default anyways. Crazy
in this day and age to not have that enabled on things that move around and
can be lost.

Home might be a different issue.

-
Brian



On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 2:31 PM FORC5  wrote:


does not 11 force Bitlocker ?

fp

On 8/7/2023 9:02 AM, gm...@att.net wrote:

You have a problem and it's not W11. I have 3 computers running W11 over

year with absolutely no problem.

I also helped install it on 10 more computers on family machines also

with no problems.

W11 runs fine.


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of

Thane K. Sherrington

Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 8:55 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Windows 11

In my experience, W11 is flakier than 10, and a bit slower.  When it
goes wonky (gets trapped in a boot loop for instance, or a repeated
explorer.exe crash) there doesn't appear to be a way to fix it other
than a fresh install.  I'd avoid it unless you really need it.

T

On 06-Aug-2023 3:30 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

Those of you who are using or dealing with Windows 11..I am talking to

you Greg and Chris ...what do you think of it.   I can see myself updating
my Win10 NUC by the end of the year...which I use with my TV...as a way to
ease into this. So any reviews, hints and or warnings appreciated!

Re: [H] Windows 11

[James Boswell]

No, the requirements are TPM and secure boot _capable_, it doesn't require
secure boot to be on nor does it enforce bitlocker.

(Running Win11 Pro on an assortment of Ryzen's over here)

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 at 19:31, FORC5  wrote:

>
> does not 11 force Bitlocker ?
>
> fp
>
> On 8/7/2023 9:02 AM, gm...@att.net wrote:
> > You have a problem and it's not W11. I have 3 computers running W11 over
> year with absolutely no problem.
> > I also helped install it on 10 more computers on family machines also
> with no problems.
> > W11 runs fine.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> Thane K. Sherrington
> > Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 8:55 AM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Windows 11
> >
> > In my experience, W11 is flakier than 10, and a bit slower.  When it
> > goes wonky (gets trapped in a boot loop for instance, or a repeated
> > explorer.exe crash) there doesn't appear to be a way to fix it other
> > than a fresh install.  I'd avoid it unless you really need it.
> >
> > T
> >
> > On 06-Aug-2023 3:30 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> >> Those of you who are using or dealing with Windows 11..I am talking to
> you Greg and Chris ...what do you think of it.   I can see myself updating
> my Win10 NUC by the end of the year...which I use with my TV...as a way to
> ease into this. So any reviews, hints and or warnings appreciated!
> >> 
>

Re: [H] Windows 11

[Brian Weeden]

Maybe? All my org's Win10 laptops use Bitlocker by default anyways. Crazy
in this day and age to not have that enabled on things that move around and
can be lost.

Home might be a different issue.

-
Brian



On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 2:31 PM FORC5  wrote:

>
> does not 11 force Bitlocker ?
>
> fp
>
> On 8/7/2023 9:02 AM, gm...@att.net wrote:
> > You have a problem and it's not W11. I have 3 computers running W11 over
> year with absolutely no problem.
> > I also helped install it on 10 more computers on family machines also
> with no problems.
> > W11 runs fine.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> Thane K. Sherrington
> > Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 8:55 AM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Windows 11
> >
> > In my experience, W11 is flakier than 10, and a bit slower.  When it
> > goes wonky (gets trapped in a boot loop for instance, or a repeated
> > explorer.exe crash) there doesn't appear to be a way to fix it other
> > than a fresh install.  I'd avoid it unless you really need it.
> >
> > T
> >
> > On 06-Aug-2023 3:30 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> >> Those of you who are using or dealing with Windows 11..I am talking to
> you Greg and Chris ...what do you think of it.   I can see myself updating
> my Win10 NUC by the end of the year...which I use with my TV...as a way to
> ease into this. So any reviews, hints and or warnings appreciated!
> >> 
>

Re: [H] Windows 11

[FORC5]

does not 11 force Bitlocker ?

fp

On 8/7/2023 9:02 AM, gm...@att.net wrote:

You have a problem and it's not W11. I have 3 computers running W11 over year 
with absolutely no problem.
I also helped install it on 10 more computers on family machines also with no 
problems.
W11 runs fine.


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Thane K. 
Sherrington
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 8:55 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Windows 11

In my experience, W11 is flakier than 10, and a bit slower.  When it
goes wonky (gets trapped in a boot loop for instance, or a repeated
explorer.exe crash) there doesn't appear to be a way to fix it other
than a fresh install.  I'd avoid it unless you really need it.

T

On 06-Aug-2023 3:30 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

Those of you who are using or dealing with Windows 11..I am talking to you Greg 
and Chris ...what do you think of it.   I can see myself updating my Win10 NUC 
by the end of the year...which I use with my TV...as a way to ease into this. 
So any reviews, hints and or warnings appreciated!

Re: [H] Windows 11

[gmxxx]

You have a problem and it's not W11. I have 3 computers running W11 over year 
with absolutely no problem.
I also helped install it on 10 more computers on family machines also with no 
problems.
W11 runs fine.


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Thane K. 
Sherrington
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 8:55 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Windows 11

In my experience, W11 is flakier than 10, and a bit slower.  When it 
goes wonky (gets trapped in a boot loop for instance, or a repeated 
explorer.exe crash) there doesn't appear to be a way to fix it other 
than a fresh install.  I'd avoid it unless you really need it.

T

On 06-Aug-2023 3:30 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> Those of you who are using or dealing with Windows 11..I am talking to you 
> Greg and Chris ...what do you think of it.   I can see myself updating my 
> Win10 NUC by the end of the year...which I use with my TV...as a way to ease 
> into this. So any reviews, hints and or warnings appreciated!
> 

Re: [H] Windows 11

[Brian Weeden]

FWIW on my personal machines I"m still running Win10 (and I've used GRC's
handy little InControl  utility to get
it to shut up about the upgrade notifications). But that's because a)
they're old (still running a 8700k on a A370 mobo) and b) I don't see much
additional value in Win11 yet.

But at some point I will make the leap to take advantage of the free
upgrade and the previously mentioned lack of security patches. Perhaps just
before I build a new machine...

-
Brian



On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 8:55 AM Thane K. Sherrington <
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:

> In my experience, W11 is flakier than 10, and a bit slower.  When it
> goes wonky (gets trapped in a boot loop for instance, or a repeated
> explorer.exe crash) there doesn't appear to be a way to fix it other
> than a fresh install.  I'd avoid it unless you really need it.
>
> T
>
> On 06-Aug-2023 3:30 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> > Those of you who are using or dealing with Windows 11..I am talking to
> you Greg and Chris ...what do you think of it.   I can see myself updating
> my Win10 NUC by the end of the year...which I use with my TV...as a way to
> ease into this. So any reviews, hints and or warnings appreciated!
> > 
>
>

Re: [H] Windows 11

[Thane K. Sherrington]

In my experience, W11 is flakier than 10, and a bit slower.  When it 
goes wonky (gets trapped in a boot loop for instance, or a repeated 
explorer.exe crash) there doesn't appear to be a way to fix it other 
than a fresh install.  I'd avoid it unless you really need it.


T

On 06-Aug-2023 3:30 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

Those of you who are using or dealing with Windows 11..I am talking to you Greg 
and Chris ...what do you think of it.   I can see myself updating my Win10 NUC 
by the end of the year...which I use with my TV...as a way to ease into this. 
So any reviews, hints and or warnings appreciated!

Re: [H] Windows 11

[Greg Sevart]

Honestly, W11 has been fine. My guys at work have done >180 Win11 deployments. 
We have not done in-place upgrades - these are all either new hires or machine 
swaps. Other than MS continuing to make WSUS difficult, nothing really notable 
to report - with the exception of the start menu. On my machines I run a start 
menu replacement (StartAllBack), but we aren't deploying that to others. I did 
the same to W10 with Classic Shell, but it is fully broken with W11 so I had to 
switch to a different solution.

Win10 22H2 will be supported by updates until October 2025 so you do have a 
healthy runway yet.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2023 1:31 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Windows 11

Those of you who are using or dealing with Windows 11..I am talking to you Greg 
and Chris ...what do you think of it.   I can see myself updating my Win10 NUC 
by the end of the year...which I use with my TV...as a way to ease into this. 
So any reviews, hints and or warnings appreciated!

Re: [H] Win 2000 Pro SP4 Retail

[_ Winterlight]

unfortunately these are the same as other postings. The EULA will not accept 
them unless they are an exact mirror of the CD with the correct name of the CD. 
Almost all the iso s posted were created off a hard drive instead of the actual 
CD. Original sealed CDs are available on Ebay but surprisingly at outrages 
prices.  For the kind of money they are asking I can buy an old laptop that 
came with Win2K. What is the big interest in Win2K anyway?.  I don't know if my 
idea is even going to work so it is not worth spending that kind of money for a 
CD. I may just have to rethink this.


From: Hardware  on behalf of 
Christopher Fisk 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2023 10:11 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Win 2000 Pro SP4 Retail

have you tried the stuff on archive.org?

https://archive.org/details/enwin2000prosp4_202001
https://archive.org/details/win2kproiso
https://archive.org/details/Windows2000_en-us

I don't have any of this stuff left.

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 11:17 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> Does anybody have a ISO of the Win 2000 Pro SP4 Retail disk. I have my
> original key but not the disk. Everything I have downloaded online has
> failed. I never even get to the key part. I get Eula failure, and can not
> fine NT4 because it is a upgrade install. So if you have a copy you
> personal bought and can iso and post I would appreciate it. Thanks 
>

Re: [H] Win 2000 Pro SP4 Retail

[Christopher Fisk]

have you tried the stuff on archive.org?

https://archive.org/details/enwin2000prosp4_202001
https://archive.org/details/win2kproiso
https://archive.org/details/Windows2000_en-us

I don't have any of this stuff left.

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 11:17 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> Does anybody have a ISO of the Win 2000 Pro SP4 Retail disk. I have my
> original key but not the disk. Everything I have downloaded online has
> failed. I never even get to the key part. I get Eula failure, and can not
> fine NT4 because it is a upgrade install. So if you have a copy you
> personal bought and can iso and post I would appreciate it. Thanks 
>

Re: [H] Installing Win 2000 on old laptop

[_ Winterlight]

From: Hardware  on behalf of James 
Boswell 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:29 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Installing Win 2000 on old laptop

Is there any particular reason you're not throwing XP at the machine?

It doesn't support Talkworks Pro

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 04:01, _ Winterlight  wrote:

> I want to use an old ACER_Aspire AS6930 to install Win 2000 ProSP2  and
> Talkworks Pro 3.0 to create a phone and message center
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 2.0G
> 4 GB DDR2
> DVD Super Multi
> Intel GMA 4500MHD
>
> I installed a OCS 30GB SSD with a primary partition marked activethe
> BIOS sees the drive. The laptop has a serial port and I have the right
> voice external modem.
>
> I then created an install CD
>
> However when I boot off it Windows setup blue screen comes on loads a
> number of files and then hangs at a black screen with no message.
> I have tried various ways of doing this but it ends up the same. Do you
> think this can be done?
>

Re: [H] Installing Win 2000 on old laptop

[James Boswell]

I'd be surprised if Windows 2000 can be persuaded to run smoothly on
hardware that wasn't released until _after_ Win2k left mainstream support
(SP4 was 2005, Core 2 Duo was 2006)

Is there any particular reason you're not throwing XP at the machine?

-JB

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 04:01, _ Winterlight  wrote:

> I want to use an old ACER_Aspire AS6930 to install Win 2000 ProSP2  and
> Talkworks Pro 3.0 to create a phone and message center
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 2.0G
> 4 GB DDR2
> DVD Super Multi
> Intel GMA 4500MHD
>
> I installed a OCS 30GB SSD with a primary partition marked activethe
> BIOS sees the drive. The laptop has a serial port and I have the right
> voice external modem.
>
> I then created an install CD
>
> However when I boot off it Windows setup blue screen comes on loads a
> number of files and then hangs at a black screen with no message.
> I have tried various ways of doing this but it ends up the same. Do you
> think this can be done?
>

Re: [H] October 25, 2025

[Greg Sevart]

We stopped redeploying anything older than 8th gen about a year ago with the 
intention of making the remaining set near W10 EOL pretty small.

The far bigger lift this year is end of support for Win2012/2012R2.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Thane K. 
Sherrington
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2023 6:15 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] October 25, 2025

I strongly suspect the date will be pushed back a few years, as happened with 
XP and Windows 7.  MS has always been sensitive to the market place with 
upgrades.

T

On 30-Apr-2023 5:13 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:
> I am curious what others think about the October 25, 2025 end of life for 
> Windows 10.  The usual process is to update to Windows 11 however, in the 
> vast majority of cases that won't be possible. Without the special chip on 
> board you can't run windows 11 so I guess they expect you to throw you old 
> laptop or desktop away and get a new one. I have a number of laptops and a  
> couple of desktops that all are used for different jobs so I guess in 2 and a 
> half years I will have to throw them away start over even if they are running 
> perfectly fine.  If we spiral down into a recession I find it hard to believe 
> that corporations and even government ancencies will be happy about filling 
> recycle centers with obsolete computers at a scale we have never seen before
>
> What does the collective think about this?
>
> 

Re: [H] October 25, 2025

[Thane K. Sherrington]

I strongly suspect the date will be pushed back a few years, as happened 
with XP and Windows 7.  MS has always been sensitive to the market place 
with upgrades.


T

On 30-Apr-2023 5:13 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

I am curious what others think about the October 25, 2025 end of life for 
Windows 10.  The usual process is to update to Windows 11 however, in the vast 
majority of cases that won't be possible. Without the special chip on board you 
can't run windows 11 so I guess they expect you to throw you old laptop or 
desktop away and get a new one. I have a number of laptops and a  couple of 
desktops that all are used for different jobs so I guess in 2 and a half years 
I will have to throw them away start over even if they are running perfectly 
fine.  If we spiral down into a recession I find it hard to believe that 
corporations and even government ancencies will be happy about filling recycle 
centers with obsolete computers at a scale we have never seen before

What does the collective think about this?

Re: [H] October 25, 2025

[FORC5]

agree, mine (not that old) failed the tmp 
test until Asus came out with a bios update 
that fixes whatever tpm checks for.


if MS follows tradition 11 will be a bad OS 
and 12 will be better. always Ubunto, if it 
would get in line for gaming.


fp

On 4/30/2023 1:13 PM, _ Winterlight wrote:

I am curious what others think about the October 25, 2025 end of life for 
Windows 10.  The usual process is to update to Windows 11 however, in the vast 
majority of cases that won't be possible. Without the special chip on board you 
can't run windows 11 so I guess they expect you to throw you old laptop or 
desktop away and get a new one. I have a number of laptops and a  couple of 
desktops that all are used for different jobs so I guess in 2 and a half years 
I will have to throw them away start over even if they are running perfectly 
fine.  If we spiral down into a recession I find it hard to believe that 
corporations and even government ancencies will be happy about filling recycle 
centers with obsolete computers at a scale we have never seen before

What does the collective think about this?

Re: [H] Modern day listserv?

[Brian Weeden]

Yes, I think google groups still does it, but I'm going to have to work
with orgs that block pretty much everything google by default (government
defense contractors) so that might be a challenge.

And I know Microsoft 365 offers lots of ways to collaborate via Teams, but
everything I've seen is for only people in that domain. Not sure if there's
a way to do it via other domains.


-
Brian



On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 10:23 AM Scott Sipe  wrote:

> I haven't used it in a few years, but my recollection was that Google
> groups did allow adding anybody. I just took a look at our domain admin
> page, and I was able to add a non-domain email to a group, but there may be
> some limitations I don't know about.
>
> It does seem like many organizations are moving to Microsoft 365 now.
>
> Scott
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 9:03 AM Brian Weeden 
> wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone, hope all are well.
> >
> > I'm starting up some IT services for a small non-profit and struggling to
> > find the answer for one of them. I need a service that can provide
> several
> > old school listservs (like this one!) - where members of the list can all
> > post to it - in addition to the standard mass email marketing stuff for
> > monthly newsletters and the such.
> >
> > Seems that most places these days only do the latter, and services like
> > Google and Microsoft 365 only offer listservs to people who are in the
> > domain already. For this application, I need to be able to add people
> > outside the domain who can participate in the listserv.
> >
> > Any ideas? Free is good, but we're willing to pay as well.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Brian
> >
>

Re: [H] Modern day listserv?

[Scott Sipe]

I haven't used it in a few years, but my recollection was that Google
groups did allow adding anybody. I just took a look at our domain admin
page, and I was able to add a non-domain email to a group, but there may be
some limitations I don't know about.

It does seem like many organizations are moving to Microsoft 365 now.

Scott

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 9:03 AM Brian Weeden  wrote:

> Hey everyone, hope all are well.
>
> I'm starting up some IT services for a small non-profit and struggling to
> find the answer for one of them. I need a service that can provide several
> old school listservs (like this one!) - where members of the list can all
> post to it - in addition to the standard mass email marketing stuff for
> monthly newsletters and the such.
>
> Seems that most places these days only do the latter, and services like
> Google and Microsoft 365 only offer listservs to people who are in the
> domain already. For this application, I need to be able to add people
> outside the domain who can participate in the listserv.
>
> Any ideas? Free is good, but we're willing to pay as well.
>
>
> -
> Brian
>

Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

[Greg Sevart]

Right now, I like WD and Toshiba drives - both of which are really (now) 
iterations of prior HGST technology. I have a number of 14TB WDs w/o issue so 
far, but I don't have a large enough sample size of any spinners anymore to 
really have anything other than anecdotal experience. I have more WD/HGST He8 
and He10 drives than any other spinner, and those are great drives.



-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2022 9:16 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

So tell us what you really think Greg! 🙂
How about WD ..they also make a 16GB USB3 drive. I am thinking of using it with 
a unused LIVA X mini PC..dual Celeron 2GB of on board RAM ESATA small OS drive 
Windows 10 Pro. I would just run it blind as a file server on my one user LAN. 
The drive would not get that much use so I imagine it would be sleeping most of 
the time so I really don't think I will need a real NAS drive?


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 12:49 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

While I admittedly don't have any of their 16TB offerings, I've had a high 
failure rate on their 12TB so-called IronWolf Pro NAS drives.

My personal belief is that Seagate would do us all a favor if they just 
redirected their factory output to the garbage dump.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 2:33 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

my mistake I meant Terabyte


From: Hardware  on behalf of Richard 
Quilhot 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 2:40 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

16gb is very small these days. I would look for at least 1tb.

Rick Q
quilh...@gmail.com



On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 5:17 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I am considering buying a 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive for a 
> backup everything drive. This wouldn't be for critical important data 
> which I back up encrypted on a online google drive. But media takes up 
> lots of bytes and I never want to have to get a bigger drive.
>
> How durable or Seagate drives these days...can I trust it with 16GB of 
> data?
>
> 
>

Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

[_ Winterlight]

So tell us what you really think Greg! 🙂
How about WD ..they also make a 16GB USB3 drive. I am thinking of using it with 
a unused LIVA X mini PC..dual Celeron 2GB of on board RAM ESATA small OS drive 
Windows 10 Pro. I would just run it blind as a file server on my one user LAN. 
The drive would not get that much use so I imagine it would be sleeping most of 
the time so I really don't think I will need a real NAS drive?


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 12:49 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

While I admittedly don't have any of their 16TB offerings, I've had a high 
failure rate on their 12TB so-called IronWolf Pro NAS drives.

My personal belief is that Seagate would do us all a favor if they just 
redirected their factory output to the garbage dump.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 2:33 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

my mistake I meant Terabyte


From: Hardware  on behalf of Richard 
Quilhot 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 2:40 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

16gb is very small these days. I would look for at least 1tb.

Rick Q
quilh...@gmail.com



On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 5:17 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I am considering buying a 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive for a
> backup everything drive. This wouldn't be for critical important data
> which I back up encrypted on a online google drive. But media takes up
> lots of bytes and I never want to have to get a bigger drive.
>
> How durable or Seagate drives these days...can I trust it with 16GB of
> data?
>
> 
>

Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

[Greg Sevart]

While I admittedly don't have any of their 16TB offerings, I've had a high 
failure rate on their 12TB so-called IronWolf Pro NAS drives.

My personal belief is that Seagate would do us all a favor if they just 
redirected their factory output to the garbage dump.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 2:33 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

my mistake I meant Terabyte


From: Hardware  on behalf of Richard 
Quilhot 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 2:40 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

16gb is very small these days. I would look for at least 1tb.

Rick Q
quilh...@gmail.com



On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 5:17 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I am considering buying a 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive for a 
> backup everything drive. This wouldn't be for critical important data 
> which I back up encrypted on a online google drive. But media takes up 
> lots of bytes and I never want to have to get a bigger drive.
>
> How durable or Seagate drives these days...can I trust it with 16GB of 
> data?
>
> 
>

Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

[Thane K. Sherrington]

I see a lot of dead external drives.  Tim once said they aren't built 
for 24x7 use.  So I'd either buy three and back up to all of them, or 
possibly go with a good NAS box that will last longer.


Thanks,

Thane K. Sherrington

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On 08-Dec-2022 4:33 p.m., _ Winterlight wrote:

my mistake I meant Terabyte


From: Hardware  on behalf of Richard 
Quilhot
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 2:40 PM
To:hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com  
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

16gb is very small these days. I would look for at least 1tb.

Rick Q
quilh...@gmail.com



On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 5:17 PM _ Winterlight
wrote:


I am considering buying a 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive for a backup
everything drive. This wouldn't be for critical important data which I back
up encrypted on a online google drive. But media takes up lots of bytes and
I never want to have to get a bigger drive.

How durable or Seagate drives these days...can I trust it with 16GB of
data?

Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

[_ Winterlight]

my mistake I meant Terabyte


From: Hardware  on behalf of Richard 
Quilhot 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 2:40 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

16gb is very small these days. I would look for at least 1tb.

Rick Q
quilh...@gmail.com



On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 5:17 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I am considering buying a 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive for a backup
> everything drive. This wouldn't be for critical important data which I back
> up encrypted on a online google drive. But media takes up lots of bytes and
> I never want to have to get a bigger drive.
>
> How durable or Seagate drives these days...can I trust it with 16GB of
> data?
>
> 
>

Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

[lopaka polena]

If you're talking terabyte then yes. I have a 16TB Seagate drive in single
bay NAS that has been running good for the past couple years. I have an 8
bay synology for my large storage but only power that one on occasionally
to back stuff up or copy stuff

lopaka

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 2:17 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I am considering buying a 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive for a backup
> everything drive. This wouldn't be for critical important data which I back
> up encrypted on a online google drive. But media takes up lots of bytes and
> I never want to have to get a bigger drive.
>
> How durable or Seagate drives these days...can I trust it with 16GB of
> data?
>
> 
>

Re: [H] 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive

[Richard Quilhot]

16gb is very small these days. I would look for at least 1tb.

Rick Q
quilh...@gmail.com



On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 5:17 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I am considering buying a 16GB Seagate External USB 3.2 drive for a backup
> everything drive. This wouldn't be for critical important data which I back
> up encrypted on a online google drive. But media takes up lots of bytes and
> I never want to have to get a bigger drive.
>
> How durable or Seagate drives these days...can I trust it with 16GB of
> data?
>
> 
>

Re: [H] TLS Settings

[Eli Allen]

This may be more up to date for some extra details:
https://sourceforge.net/p/hermesmail/discussion/general/thread/407979bc26/


On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:55 PM Bino Gopal  wrote:

> This might help...
>
>
> https://www.worldcadaccess.com/blog/2020/12/making-eudora-7-work-with-gmail-servers.html
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> Greg Sevart
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 11:03 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] TLS Settings
>
> No, I'm an Outlook guy.
>
> The Hermes project files overwrite some Eudora files and allegedly add TLS
> 1.2 compatibility. I didn't dig deeper but found it when I was trying to
> research Eudora TLS support. Incidentally, the source code for Eudora was
> in fact released and open-sourced under the BSD Open Source license.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _
> Winterlight
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 12:50 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] TLS Settings
>
> Well, I have managed to keep Eudora OG working for 27 years but I knew
> this day would come.  So Greg do you use Hermes? I always wondered why
> Eudora didn't just release the source code and let the open source
> community work on it.
> w
>
> 
> From: Hardware  on behalf of
> Greg Sevart 
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 5:34 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
> Subject: Re: [H] TLS Settings
>
> Best guess is they're removing support for anything older than TLS 1.2.
> Two conceivable options:
>
> To the degree that you have control over the protocols supported by your
> hosted mail solution, they may be force-disabling any protocol older than
> TLS 1.2.
>
> More likely, they've monitored the negotiations between your client and
> their systems and noticed you are negotiating something less than TLS 1.2.
>
> I don't think Eudora uses schannel, so the protocols you have enabled in
> Control Panel are not applicable. Further, I don't believe Eudora supports
> TLS 1.2 - so you may be forced to find some sort of workaround (
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fhermesmail%2Ffiles%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C665ab12e20604712335608daa0b32e68%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637998988681478590%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1W3w48cA151Y%2Fi0N33BijqlvRUdT5u2byo3A%2BknGqx4%3D&reserved=0)
> or finally give up on Eudora as your email client.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _
> Winterlight
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:23 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] TLS Settings
>
> I got this from Network solutions which is my hosting - email provider.
> __
> Action Required
> ​Due to increased attacks and security vulnerabilities in previous years,
> we have upgraded our platform which no longer support TLS settings you are
> using. Please know that your account's security remains our primary concern.
> To ensure your continued data safety, this version provides a more secure
> connection that will improve the security of your mailboxes in order to
> shield your email address from unwanted messages.
>
> After this update, your email platform will be migrated to a new and
> improved platform which is easier and better.
> __
>
> TLS settings are in Control Panel / Internet settings 1.1 1.2 or 1.3
> ...all are checked. I thought they were for the browser.
> I still use Eudora.. is that what they are refereeing to  does an email
> client have a set TLS.
> thanks
> w
>

Re: [H] TLS Settings

[Bino Gopal]

This might help...

https://www.worldcadaccess.com/blog/2020/12/making-eudora-7-work-with-gmail-servers.html


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Greg 
Sevart
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 11:03 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] TLS Settings

No, I'm an Outlook guy.

The Hermes project files overwrite some Eudora files and allegedly add TLS 1.2 
compatibility. I didn't dig deeper but found it when I was trying to research 
Eudora TLS support. Incidentally, the source code for Eudora was in fact 
released and open-sourced under the BSD Open Source license.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 12:50 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] TLS Settings

Well, I have managed to keep Eudora OG working for 27 years but I knew this day 
would come.  So Greg do you use Hermes? I always wondered why Eudora didn't 
just release the source code and let the open source community work on it.
w


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 5:34 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] TLS Settings

Best guess is they're removing support for anything older than TLS 1.2. Two 
conceivable options:

To the degree that you have control over the protocols supported by your hosted 
mail solution, they may be force-disabling any protocol older than TLS 1.2.

More likely, they've monitored the negotiations between your client and their 
systems and noticed you are negotiating something less than TLS 1.2.

I don't think Eudora uses schannel, so the protocols you have enabled in 
Control Panel are not applicable. Further, I don't believe Eudora supports TLS 
1.2 - so you may be forced to find some sort of workaround 
(https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fhermesmail%2Ffiles%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C665ab12e20604712335608daa0b32e68%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637998988681478590%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1W3w48cA151Y%2Fi0N33BijqlvRUdT5u2byo3A%2BknGqx4%3D&reserved=0)
 or finally give up on Eudora as your email client.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:23 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] TLS Settings

I got this from Network solutions which is my hosting - email provider.
__
Action Required
​Due to increased attacks and security vulnerabilities in previous years, we 
have upgraded our platform which no longer support TLS settings you are using. 
Please know that your account's security remains our primary concern.
To ensure your continued data safety, this version provides a more secure 
connection that will improve the security of your mailboxes in order to shield 
your email address from unwanted messages.

After this update, your email platform will be migrated to a new and improved 
platform which is easier and better.
__

TLS settings are in Control Panel / Internet settings 1.1 1.2 or 1.3 ...all are 
checked. I thought they were for the browser.
I still use Eudora.. is that what they are refereeing to  does an email client 
have a set TLS.
thanks
w

Re: [H] TLS Settings

[Greg Sevart]

No, I'm an Outlook guy.

The Hermes project files overwrite some Eudora files and allegedly add TLS 1.2 
compatibility. I didn't dig deeper but found it when I was trying to research 
Eudora TLS support. Incidentally, the source code for Eudora was in fact 
released and open-sourced under the BSD Open Source license.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 12:50 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] TLS Settings

Well, I have managed to keep Eudora OG working for 27 years but I knew this day 
would come.  So Greg do you use Hermes? I always wondered why Eudora didn't 
just release the source code and let the open source community work on it.
w


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 5:34 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] TLS Settings

Best guess is they're removing support for anything older than TLS 1.2. Two 
conceivable options:

To the degree that you have control over the protocols supported by your hosted 
mail solution, they may be force-disabling any protocol older than TLS 1.2.

More likely, they've monitored the negotiations between your client and their 
systems and noticed you are negotiating something less than TLS 1.2.

I don't think Eudora uses schannel, so the protocols you have enabled in 
Control Panel are not applicable. Further, I don't believe Eudora supports TLS 
1.2 - so you may be forced to find some sort of workaround 
(https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/files/) or finally give up on 
Eudora as your email client.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:23 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] TLS Settings

I got this from Network solutions which is my hosting - email provider.
__
Action Required
​Due to increased attacks and security vulnerabilities in previous years, we 
have upgraded our platform which no longer support TLS settings you are using. 
Please know that your account's security remains our primary concern.
To ensure your continued data safety, this version provides a more secure 
connection that will improve the security of your mailboxes in order to shield 
your email address from unwanted messages.

After this update, your email platform will be migrated to a new and improved 
platform which is easier and better.
__

TLS settings are in Control Panel / Internet settings 1.1 1.2 or 1.3 ...all are 
checked. I thought they were for the browser.
I still use Eudora.. is that what they are refereeing to  does an email client 
have a set TLS.
thanks
w

Re: [H] TLS Settings

[_ Winterlight]

Well, I have managed to keep Eudora OG working for 27 years but I knew this day 
would come.  So Greg do you use Hermes? I always wondered why Eudora didn't 
just release the source code and let the open source community work on it.
w


From: Hardware  on behalf of Greg 
Sevart 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 5:34 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] TLS Settings

Best guess is they're removing support for anything older than TLS 1.2. Two 
conceivable options:

To the degree that you have control over the protocols supported by your hosted 
mail solution, they may be force-disabling any protocol older than TLS 1.2.

More likely, they've monitored the negotiations between your client and their 
systems and noticed you are negotiating something less than TLS 1.2.

I don't think Eudora uses schannel, so the protocols you have enabled in 
Control Panel are not applicable. Further, I don't believe Eudora supports TLS 
1.2 - so you may be forced to find some sort of workaround 
(https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/files/) or finally give up on 
Eudora as your email client.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:23 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] TLS Settings

I got this from Network solutions which is my hosting - email provider.
__
Action Required
​Due to increased attacks and security vulnerabilities in previous years, we 
have upgraded our platform which no longer support TLS settings you are using. 
Please know that your account's security remains our primary concern.
To ensure your continued data safety, this version provides a more secure 
connection that will improve the security of your mailboxes in order to shield 
your email address from unwanted messages.

After this update, your email platform will be migrated to a new and improved 
platform which is easier and better.
__

TLS settings are in Control Panel / Internet settings 1.1 1.2 or 1.3 ...all are 
checked. I thought they were for the browser.
I still use Eudora.. is that what they are refereeing to  does an email client 
have a set TLS.
thanks
w

Re: [H] TLS Settings

[Greg Sevart]

Best guess is they're removing support for anything older than TLS 1.2. Two 
conceivable options:

To the degree that you have control over the protocols supported by your hosted 
mail solution, they may be force-disabling any protocol older than TLS 1.2.

More likely, they've monitored the negotiations between your client and their 
systems and noticed you are negotiating something less than TLS 1.2.

I don't think Eudora uses schannel, so the protocols you have enabled in 
Control Panel are not applicable. Further, I don't believe Eudora supports TLS 
1.2 - so you may be forced to find some sort of workaround 
(https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/files/) or finally give up on 
Eudora as your email client.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:23 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] TLS Settings

I got this from Network solutions which is my hosting - email provider.
__
Action Required
​Due to increased attacks and security vulnerabilities in previous years, we 
have upgraded our platform which no longer support TLS settings you are using. 
Please know that your account's security remains our primary concern.
To ensure your continued data safety, this version provides a more secure 
connection that will improve the security of your mailboxes in order to shield 
your email address from unwanted messages.

After this update, your email platform will be migrated to a new and improved 
platform which is easier and better.
__

TLS settings are in Control Panel / Internet settings 1.1 1.2 or 1.3 ...all are 
checked. I thought they were for the browser.
I still use Eudora.. is that what they are refereeing to  does an email client 
have a set TLS.
thanks
w

Re: [H] Video pixel pushing issues with multiple monitors-and Zoom etc

[Bino Gopal]

Well so I solved the TV black bar issue:

I downloaded  and run the Intel Graphics Command Center (I guess the equivalent 
of the Nvidia Control Center for GTX cards) and I was able to select the TV and 
there was a Scale option for it that had "Maintain Aspect Ratio" selected and 
when I switched it to "Maintain Display Scaling" it seemed to reset the image, 
and then the 1920x1080 image filled the screen and the black bars disappeared!

I switched it back to Maintain Aspect Ratio to test it, and it still stayed 
full screen, so I guess whatever thing had happened to mess it up is gone now?  
So weird...

Still doesn’t help with the Zoom/Discord lag, but I'm going to try your 
suggestion next Jamie-thanks!

So no one has used one of those external Thunderbolt (since I have USB4.0 Gen 
3x2, I figure that's the same as Thunderbolt 3 right?) external enclosures with 
a discrete graphics card and can report back on how well it works...?

BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Jamie 
Furtner
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 2:57 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Video pixel pushing issues with multiple monitors-and Zoom etc

Have you tried forcing Zoom and Discord to not use graphics acceleration for 
video? I've seen that make a difference with Teams and older Intel Graphics in 
my Surface Book 2 (higher CPU utilization, but more stable overall was the 
result). If the problem is just that you have the screens connected then this 
isn't it, but I've found the acceleration to not be ideal on the SB2 depending 
on the client app.

You should be able to use the Intel Graphics Engine tools to add custom 
resolutions to help with the Samsung TV. I do that on my Surface Book with its 
3240x2160 screen to cut the resolution down so I can use those resolutions with 
games. The result is that the Geforce 1060 can much more easily keep up when 
compared to native resolution as it's pumping
1/4 the pixels.


On 2022-05-19 12:11 p.m., Bino Gopal wrote:
> Hey all, looking for some help and guidance here (long post warning, 
> so TL; DR included at the top)
>
> TL;DR: Am I just being unreasonable in hoping I can run multiple 
> monitors with just my integrated Intel Iris XE graphics card on my new 
> laptop and just use it for Zoom/Discord video mtgs w/o issues?  Not 
> talking about gaming even-just basic daily productivity stuff!  (Also, 
> pls read the PS at the end for the bonus resolution weirdness question 
> on my TV!)
>
>
> More details:
> I got a new 17" LG Gram laptop with Intel Iris XE graphics a few months ago.  
> It's super light and portable (like 3 lbs) and I love that, but I'm starting 
> to regret not have discrete graphics b/c I guess I didn't realize that there 
> is a limit to how many pixels it can push just in terms of how many monitors 
> I can connect at a decent resolution...and also just doing basic video on 
> Zoom and Discord/other video collab SW seems to cause perf issues...
>
> Currently I have 2 27" monitors both connected through a Dell D600 dock 
> connected via a USB-C port-the monitors are diff max res:
> 2560x1440 for the Lenovo P27h connected via HDMI to the dock (on left)
> 3840x2160 for the Dell P2721Q connected via DisplayPort to the dock on 
> right)
>
> My laptop can do 2560x1600 at max res and I also have a 85" Samsung TV 
> mounted above and behind which can go up to 4096x2160 (not just 
> 3840x2160 which is a separate subdiscussion I'll bring up below...)
>
> When I first got it, I was (I think naively) running everything at max res 
> and doing some scaling in Windows 10 and things seemed to be fine for a hot 
> minute-but then the system would eventually slow down and even get really 
> choppy-esp when I would join a Zoom meeting-that's when I noticed it most-tho 
> also when doing Discord video meets too, etc-i.e. anything with video causes 
> the machine to slow to a crawl and become basically unusable...even watching 
> YT videos sometimes caused issues.
>
> So I started doing stuff to step it back to see if it would help-the main 
> first thing I did was reduce the resolutions a bit at a time and try and 
> eliminate the scaling as I saw delays as I moved windows across monitor-but 
> it didn't get better til I set all the other monitors to 1920x1080 (which 
> seems like a waste) and set my laptop to 1920x1200 so there's no res changes 
> across the system and I'm pushing fewer pixels overall...
>
> But even so, while it improved the slowness on Zooms and Discord video 
> sessions, I still got SOME slowness/choppiness.  It was better, but there was 
> still enough present that it was annoying-so what I'd do is I'd turn of

Re: [H] G Suite Legacy Migration

[Christopher Fisk]

I'm still in a holding pattern as well.  I have heard that you can migrate
your google voice stuff to a regular free google voice account gmail
account.

I may transfer my stuff to the office 365 family thing which is $100/year.
Will get me the 6 users I need, but I'm not looking forward to the process.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 8:10 AM Dan Dexter  wrote:

> On 1/24/22 11:25, Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > Anyone else have a Legacy  G Suite account they were being spoiled
> with...
>
> Yep, same here. Still trying to figure out what to do. I've read that
> Google Voice tied to G Suite will also go away. The Voice that is for
> Workspace is a different product, paid separately, and can't migrate to
> from the free Voice (have to "port" my number to a cell service, then
> back). I will need to migrate that over to a free gmail account.
>
> My extended family uses G Suite so it's a major pain. Worst case, I'm
> thinking we'll just do the discount Workspace for a while at
> $3/account/month. Otherwise I'm looking at Google Domains for the email
> and calendar part, which is basically the cost I pay now just to
> register my domains.
>
>

Re: [H] G Suite Legacy Migration

[Dan Dexter]

On 1/24/22 11:25, Christopher Fisk wrote:

Anyone else have a Legacy  G Suite account they were being spoiled with...


Yep, same here. Still trying to figure out what to do. I've read that 
Google Voice tied to G Suite will also go away. The Voice that is for 
Workspace is a different product, paid separately, and can't migrate to 
from the free Voice (have to "port" my number to a cell service, then 
back). I will need to migrate that over to a free gmail account.


My extended family uses G Suite so it's a major pain. Worst case, I'm 
thinking we'll just do the discount Workspace for a while at 
$3/account/month. Otherwise I'm looking at Google Domains for the email 
and calendar part, which is basically the cost I pay now just to 
register my domains.

Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...

[Bino Gopal]

Yeah, that's my concern...but I did do a cdkeys license for Mad Max (the game) 
and it worked fine, so I'm wondering...

That's why I asked if anyone had any personal experience with either of the 
sites below...

And it turns out that I had a Office Home 2019 license I bought back in Oct 
2018 that I hadn't installed anywhere, so I ended up putting that on after 
spending 2 hrs on the phone with Office advanced tech support doing a remote 
session using Quick Assist (Paul, in Nigeria-who for the most part knew what he 
was doing, which was very refreshing) and after completely uninstalling O365 
and signing out of my account and signing back in, got the Home 2019 license to 
take and the formatting/font/look is much better so I'm just going to use that 
for now...

Still keeping O365 if I want to use the web versions on other machines as I do 
get 1TB of OneDrive storage and that's what I pay for Google One (and I'm 
paying for 2TB if icloud now that I think about it...only one I'm not paying 
for is Dropbox lol!) and easy support, so it's worth it for me just for that!

BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Steve 
Tomporowski
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 3:03 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...

Bino,

Just be careful what you get from the cheap vendors.  My experience has been 
that they will freely sell you an install off a volume license. This caused 
problems with me everytime I moved to a new system.  The volume license had no 
more installs and I had to call M$.  The other time I had a Win10 Pro key and 
when I went to install it, I found out it required a yearly renewal from a 
domain.  In that case, the people who sold it to me didn't know that either.

Steve

On 1/21/2022 4:18 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:
> (whoops; ignore the one from my gmail...didn't know you could send to 
> the list from a non-subscribed address...!)
>
> FWIW, I found out that traditional Office licenses (for example) only allow 
> you to install it on one computer-says so right on the licensing page...and I 
> guess that would be true for most software, now that I think about it...just 
> seems painful if you have multiple machines tho...like once I get my desktop 
> then that's 3 licenses I'd need...or I guess I would have to reinstall it 
> from one machine to another huh...?
>
>
> Anyway, to make it simple, I signed up for the Office 365 family plan 
> ($100/yr) and was just going to install that on both the laptops and go from 
> there...but ran into 2 issues:
>
> 1) First, on the old machine that had Office Pro Plus 2019 installed, it 
> doesn't launch the Office 365 version of the apps, it launches the 2019 
> versions.  Do I need to uninstall Office 2019 first, anyone know?
>
> 2) BUT, the thing that's got me re-thinking O365...the O365 version of 
> Outlook on the new laptop is...not nearly as nice-looking as the one in 
> 2019...it seems almost like a webpage turned into an Win 10 "app" and I kinda 
> hate those compared to the old-school desktop versions of the software...it's 
> enough to really put me off and I spend a lot of time in Outlook and it's 
> like the main app I use most of the time...
>
>
> Anyone have experience with this and/or the same feelings?  Wondering now if 
> it's better to just get an Office Pro Plus 2021 license and install that on 
> the other machine...
>
> I found one at this site that lists it for $60 (vs the $440 from MS!)
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpcsal
> esonline.com%2Fen%2Foffice-accounting%2Foffice-professional-plus-2021&
> amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd117298ccbe1429c313a08d9dd3229f2%7C84df9e7fe9f64
> 0afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637784029782109742%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb
> 3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%
> 7C3000&sdata=nexQe10J5wexwTlPK9qDdwi347sq9UWwS0Tormu78ks%3D&re
> served=0
>
> This site has it for $130..
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmrkey
> shop.com%2Fen%2Fmicrosoft-office-2021%2F84-office-2021-professional-pl
> us-product-key&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd117298ccbe1429c313a08d9dd3229f2%
> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637784029782109742%7CUnkn
> own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
> LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=b4AG4MCwwrKsX%2FR4lwqBeTUwB3qm0q2keri7
> r220ATI%3D&reserved=0
>
> Anyone have experience with either site if I got that route and scrap the 
> Office 365 thing b/c the graphics on the apps suck...?  Thanks!
>
>   BINO

Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...

[Steve Tomporowski]

Bino,

Just be careful what you get from the cheap vendors.  My experience has 
been that they will freely sell you an install off a volume license.  
This caused problems with me everytime I moved to a new system.  The 
volume license had no more installs and I had to call M$.  The other 
time I had a Win10 Pro key and when I went to install it, I found out it 
required a yearly renewal from a domain.  In that case, the people who 
sold it to me didn't know that either.


Steve

On 1/21/2022 4:18 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:

(whoops; ignore the one from my gmail...didn't know you could send to the list 
from a non-subscribed address...!)

FWIW, I found out that traditional Office licenses (for example) only allow you 
to install it on one computer-says so right on the licensing page...and I guess 
that would be true for most software, now that I think about it...just seems 
painful if you have multiple machines tho...like once I get my desktop then 
that's 3 licenses I'd need...or I guess I would have to reinstall it from one 
machine to another huh...?


Anyway, to make it simple, I signed up for the Office 365 family plan ($100/yr) 
and was just going to install that on both the laptops and go from there...but 
ran into 2 issues:

1) First, on the old machine that had Office Pro Plus 2019 installed, it 
doesn't launch the Office 365 version of the apps, it launches the 2019 
versions.  Do I need to uninstall Office 2019 first, anyone know?

2) BUT, the thing that's got me re-thinking O365...the O365 version of Outlook on the new 
laptop is...not nearly as nice-looking as the one in 2019...it seems almost like a 
webpage turned into an Win 10 "app" and I kinda hate those compared to the 
old-school desktop versions of the software...it's enough to really put me off and I 
spend a lot of time in Outlook and it's like the main app I use most of the time...


Anyone have experience with this and/or the same feelings?  Wondering now if 
it's better to just get an Office Pro Plus 2021 license and install that on the 
other machine...

I found one at this site that lists it for $60 (vs the $440 from MS!)

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpcsalesonline.com%2Fen%2Foffice-accounting%2Foffice-professional-plus-2021&data=04%7C01%7C%7C41e82d9f841f4680058008d9dd218628%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637783958326356341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=MLhCahtAhuAEX60g5MXj%2Bwqg%2F0p77KO7IdZh2xL%2BvT0%3D&reserved=0

This site has it for $130..

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmrkeyshop.com%2Fen%2Fmicrosoft-office-2021%2F84-office-2021-professional-plus-product-key&data=04%7C01%7C%7C41e82d9f841f4680058008d9dd218628%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637783958326356341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=QTTKCXOS5U6J9vYO9ave1ty8l6K8Pjugvbn%2BNk68Gk0%3D&reserved=0

Anyone have experience with either site if I got that route and scrap the 
Office 365 thing b/c the graphics on the apps suck...?  Thanks!

BINO

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Fisk
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 4:28 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...

Windows 10 is insanely good about swapping hardware now.  Just today I imaged a 
drive from an old Second Generation core i3 to an 11th gen i5 without issue, it 
downloaded drivers for the motherboard and was ready to go.

As was said, some programs you may need to go through the process of reapplying 
licenses, but it depends on the app.

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:06 PM Steve Tomporowski 
wrote:


To be honest, I haven't turned on the old machine since it transferred.
I believe most of the programs won't allow use on two computers.

On 11/17/2021 7:04 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:

So are you still using all the programs/apps on both machines at the

same time, and I'm curious-is that technically allowed...?  Or are you
"supposed" to get a new license for each install on a new machine?  Or
does it depend on the software...?  That's the things I'm mainly wondering...

   BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf
Of

Steve Tomporowski

Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:57 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...

Just a week or so ago, I transfered (image via Macrium) my C drive
from

an i7-8700 to a 5800X.  Win 10 had no problems with activation, acted
as if nothing changed.  Office 2016, however, screamed that the
hardware had changed and it needed to be activated/new key

Re: [H] So this happened....

[Steve Tomporowski]

Good thing, Julian!  How long did it take them to pronounce your name 
properly?  It isn't everyday that you have more hair than your 
interviewer


On 1/21/2022 5:00 PM, Julian Zottl wrote:

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/julianzottl_cybersecurity-cyber-cybersecurity-activity-6890392088505061376-CeCs

If you want to see Sabre's goofy side on TV, here's your chance! LOL!

Sabre (Julian)

Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...

[Bino Gopal]

(whoops; ignore the one from my gmail...didn't know you could send to the list 
from a non-subscribed address...!)

FWIW, I found out that traditional Office licenses (for example) only allow you 
to install it on one computer-says so right on the licensing page...and I guess 
that would be true for most software, now that I think about it...just seems 
painful if you have multiple machines tho...like once I get my desktop then 
that's 3 licenses I'd need...or I guess I would have to reinstall it from one 
machine to another huh...?


Anyway, to make it simple, I signed up for the Office 365 family plan ($100/yr) 
and was just going to install that on both the laptops and go from there...but 
ran into 2 issues:

1) First, on the old machine that had Office Pro Plus 2019 installed, it 
doesn't launch the Office 365 version of the apps, it launches the 2019 
versions.  Do I need to uninstall Office 2019 first, anyone know?

2) BUT, the thing that's got me re-thinking O365...the O365 version of Outlook 
on the new laptop is...not nearly as nice-looking as the one in 2019...it seems 
almost like a webpage turned into an Win 10 "app" and I kinda hate those 
compared to the old-school desktop versions of the software...it's enough to 
really put me off and I spend a lot of time in Outlook and it's like the main 
app I use most of the time...


Anyone have experience with this and/or the same feelings?  Wondering now if 
it's better to just get an Office Pro Plus 2021 license and install that on the 
other machine...

I found one at this site that lists it for $60 (vs the $440 from MS!)

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpcsalesonline.com%2Fen%2Foffice-accounting%2Foffice-professional-plus-2021&data=04%7C01%7C%7C41e82d9f841f4680058008d9dd218628%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637783958326356341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=MLhCahtAhuAEX60g5MXj%2Bwqg%2F0p77KO7IdZh2xL%2BvT0%3D&reserved=0

This site has it for $130..

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmrkeyshop.com%2Fen%2Fmicrosoft-office-2021%2F84-office-2021-professional-plus-product-key&data=04%7C01%7C%7C41e82d9f841f4680058008d9dd218628%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637783958326356341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=QTTKCXOS5U6J9vYO9ave1ty8l6K8Pjugvbn%2BNk68Gk0%3D&reserved=0

Anyone have experience with either site if I got that route and scrap the 
Office 365 thing b/c the graphics on the apps suck...?  Thanks!

BINO

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Fisk
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 4:28 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...

Windows 10 is insanely good about swapping hardware now.  Just today I imaged a 
drive from an old Second Generation core i3 to an 11th gen i5 without issue, it 
downloaded drivers for the motherboard and was ready to go.

As was said, some programs you may need to go through the process of reapplying 
licenses, but it depends on the app.

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:06 PM Steve Tomporowski 
wrote:

> To be honest, I haven't turned on the old machine since it transferred.
> I believe most of the programs won't allow use on two computers.
>
> On 11/17/2021 7:04 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:
> > So are you still using all the programs/apps on both machines at the
> same time, and I'm curious-is that technically allowed...?  Or are you 
> "supposed" to get a new license for each install on a new machine?  Or 
> does it depend on the software...?  That's the things I'm mainly wondering...
> >
> >   BINO
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf 
> > Of
> Steve Tomporowski
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:57 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...
> >
> > Just a week or so ago, I transfered (image via Macrium) my C drive 
> > from
> an i7-8700 to a 5800X.  Win 10 had no problems with activation, acted 
> as if nothing changed.  Office 2016, however, screamed that the 
> hardware had changed and it needed to be activated/new key.  Some of 
> my other programs whined about activating on a new computer, 
> specifically Presonus Studio One and Waves plugins.  Both were easy fixes 
> online.
> >
> > On 11/17/2021 6:40 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:
> >> Hey guys, picked up a new LG Gram laptop at Costco for 
> >> $850...couldn'

Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...

[keltraine]

FWIW, I found out that traditional Office licenses (for example) only allow you 
to install it on one computer-says so right on the licensing page...and I guess 
that would be true for most software, now that I think about it...just seems 
painful if you have multiple machines tho...like once I get my desktop then 
that's 3 licenses I'd need...or I guess I would have to reinstall it from one 
machine to another huh...?


Anyway, to make it simple, I signed up for the Office 365 family plan ($100/yr) 
and was just going to install that on both the laptops and go from there...but 
ran into 2 issues:

1) First, on the old machine that had Office Pro Plus 2019 installed, it 
doesn't launch the Office 365 version of the apps, it launches the 2019 
versions.  Do I need to uninstall Office 2019 first, anyone know?

2) BUT, the thing that's got me re-thinking O365...the O365 version of Outlook 
on the new laptop is...not nearly as nice-looking as the one in 2019...it seems 
almost like a webpage turned into an Win 10 "app" and I kinda hate those 
compared to the old-school desktop versions of the software...it's enough to 
really put me off and I spend a lot of time in Outlook and it's like the main 
app I use most of the time...


Anyone have experience with this and/or the same feelings?  Wondering now if 
it's better to just get an Office Pro Plus 2021 license and install that on the 
other machine...

I found one at this site that lists it for $60 (vs the $440 from MS!)

https://pcsalesonline.com/en/office-accounting/office-professional-plus-2021

This site has it for $130..

https://mrkeyshop.com/en/microsoft-office-2021/84-office-2021-professional-plus-product-key

Anyone have experience with either site if I got that route and scrap the 
Office 365 thing b/c the graphics on the apps suck...?  Thanks!

BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Fisk
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 4:28 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...

Windows 10 is insanely good about swapping hardware now.  Just today I imaged a 
drive from an old Second Generation core i3 to an 11th gen i5 without issue, it 
downloaded drivers for the motherboard and was ready to go.

As was said, some programs you may need to go through the process of reapplying 
licenses, but it depends on the app.

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:06 PM Steve Tomporowski 
wrote:

> To be honest, I haven't turned on the old machine since it transferred.
> I believe most of the programs won't allow use on two computers.
>
> On 11/17/2021 7:04 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:
> > So are you still using all the programs/apps on both machines at the
> same time, and I'm curious-is that technically allowed...?  Or are you 
> "supposed" to get a new license for each install on a new machine?  Or 
> does it depend on the software...?  That's the things I'm mainly wondering...
> >
> >   BINO
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf 
> > Of
> Steve Tomporowski
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:57 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Licensing and new computer upgrade/transfer questions...
> >
> > Just a week or so ago, I transfered (image via Macrium) my C drive 
> > from
> an i7-8700 to a 5800X.  Win 10 had no problems with activation, acted 
> as if nothing changed.  Office 2016, however, screamed that the 
> hardware had changed and it needed to be activated/new key.  Some of 
> my other programs whined about activating on a new computer, 
> specifically Presonus Studio One and Waves plugins.  Both were easy fixes 
> online.
> >
> > On 11/17/2021 6:40 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:
> >> Hey guys, picked up a new LG Gram laptop at Costco for 
> >> $850...couldn't
> pass it up at that price given the specs and screen size of 17" (floor 
> model, hence discounted a bunch from the $1250 normal price).
> >>
> >> In any case what I'm wondering is about licensing and transferring 
> >> over
> programs and stuff.  I've got a bunch of software installed on my old 
> MSI gaming laptop and do most licenses for most of these things let 
> you have two or more copies installed on multiple machines at home or 
> would I need licenses for each instance?
> >>
> >> And specifically, I'm trying to remember, what's the deal with both
> Windows 10/11 and MS Office now?  What I mean is the LG came with 
> Win10, not 11, and I think it's free to upgrade to 11, but would you 
> guys recommend doing tha

Re: [H] help

[_ Winterlight]

isn't it a Saint Bernard?


From: Hardware  on behalf of 
Christopher Fisk 
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 7:14 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] help

Should we send the great dane with hot chocolate or brandy?

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 7:25 AM Anthony Q. Martin 
wrote:

>
>

Re: [H] help

[Christopher Fisk]

Should we send the great dane with hot chocolate or brandy?

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 7:25 AM Anthony Q. Martin 
wrote:

>
>

Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro Remote

[Christopher Fisk]

never leave RDP open to the internet.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:56 PM Dave Gibney  wrote:

> You need to know your ip (what's my ip websites) and port forwarding from
> your router to your work station Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S20 5G, an
> AT&T 5G smartphone
>  Original message From: Bobby Heid 
> Date: 12/10/21  13:31  (GMT-08:00) To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro Remote TeamViewer was free for personal use
> if you don't connect to too manydifferent machines.-Original
> Message-From: Hardware  On
> Behalf Of _WinterlightSent: Friday, December 10, 2021 3:18 PMTo:
> hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.comSubject: Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro
> RemoteWow, 35 to 55 bucks a month annual subscription requiredI had no
> ideathis was so expensive. Too much for something I will need for a week!
> ThanksChrisFrom: Hardware <
> hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com> on behalf ofChristopher Fisk <
> christopher.f...@thefisks.org>Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 6:49 AMTo:
> hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject:
> Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro RemoteThose instructions are just for PCs on the
> same network.For remote access across the internet teamviewer, logmein,  or
> similar iswhat you'll need.If you want to get all fancy you could go with
> setting up VPN between PCsusing something like hamachi.On Thu, Dec 9, 2021
> at 12:12 PM _ Winterlight wrote:> I have never
> used remote PC in windows 10 Pro. I have used it with > Windows> 7 Pro and
> Teamviewer for Win7 and 8 but never with 10 Pro. Now I have > need to do
> so. I want to be able to log on to my workstation from my > laptop in a
> remote location across the NET ... not from the LAN. Both > computers use
> the same version of windows 10.  So I look up MS > instructions and get
> this How to use Remote Desktop>>
> > Windows 10>> Use
> Remote Desktop on your Windows, Android, or iOS device to connect > to a
> Windows 10 PC from afar.> Set up the PC you want to connect to so it allows
> remote connections:> Make sure you have Windows 10 Pro. To check, go to
> Start  > Settings  > > System > About and look for Edition. For info on how
> to get it, go > to Upgrade Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro.> When you're
> ready, select Start  > Settings  > System > Remote > Desktop, and turn on
> Enable Remote Desktop.> Make note of the name of this PC under How to
> connect to this PC. > You'll need this later.> Use Remote Desktop to
> connect to the PC you set up:> On your local Windows 10 PC: In the search
> box on the taskbar, type > Remote Desktop Connection, and then select
> Remote Desktop Connection. > In Remote Desktop Connection, type the name of
> the PC you want to > connect to (from Step 1), and then select Connect.> On
> your Windows, Android, or iOS device: Open the Remote Desktop app >
> (available for free from Microsoft Store, Google Play, and the Mac App >
> Store), and add the name of the PC that you want to connect to (from > Step
> 1).  Select the remote PC name that you added, and then wait for > the
> connection to complete.>>
> --->> I am planning
> on using  on a laptop using my Google Fi account hotspot > but I am
> confused because these instructions don't explain how it > finds the named
> PC without a IP address or am I suppose to be using anapp.>> So should I
> use a Windows 10 App to do this securely... are there > additional security
> measures I need to be aware of ?>>>> Thanks>

Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro Remote

[Dave Gibney]

You need to know your ip (what's my ip websites) and port forwarding from your 
router to your work station Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S20 5G, an AT&T 5G 
smartphone
 Original message From: Bobby Heid  Date: 
12/10/21  13:31  (GMT-08:00) To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: 
[H] Windows 10 Pro Remote TeamViewer was free for personal use if you don't 
connect to too manydifferent machines.-Original Message-From: Hardware 
 On Behalf Of _WinterlightSent: 
Friday, December 10, 2021 3:18 PMTo: hardware@lists.hardwaregroup.comSubject: 
Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro RemoteWow, 35 to 55 bucks a month annual subscription 
requiredI had no ideathis was so expensive. Too much for something I will 
need for a week! ThanksChrisFrom: Hardware 
 on behalf ofChristopher Fisk 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 6:49 AMTo: 
hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: 
[H] Windows 10 Pro RemoteThose instructions are just for PCs on the same 
network.For remote access across the internet teamviewer, logmein,  or similar 
iswhat you'll need.If you want to get all fancy you could go with setting up 
VPN between PCsusing something like hamachi.On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:12 PM _ 
Winterlight wrote:> I have never used remote PC in 
windows 10 Pro. I have used it with > Windows> 7 Pro and Teamviewer for Win7 
and 8 but never with 10 Pro. Now I have > need to do so. I want to be able to 
log on to my workstation from my > laptop in a remote location across the NET 
... not from the LAN. Both > computers use the same version of windows 10.  So 
I look up MS > instructions and get this How to use Remote Desktop>> 
> Windows 10>> Use 
Remote Desktop on your Windows, Android, or iOS device to connect > to a 
Windows 10 PC from afar.> Set up the PC you want to connect to so it allows 
remote connections:> Make sure you have Windows 10 Pro. To check, go to Start  
> Settings  > > System > About and look for Edition. For info on how to get it, 
go > to Upgrade Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro.> When you're ready, select 
Start  > Settings  > System > Remote > Desktop, and turn on Enable Remote 
Desktop.> Make note of the name of this PC under How to connect to this PC. > 
You'll need this later.> Use Remote Desktop to connect to the PC you set up:> 
On your local Windows 10 PC: In the search box on the taskbar, type > Remote 
Desktop Connection, and then select Remote Desktop Connection. > In Remote 
Desktop Connection, type the name of the PC you want to > connect to (from Step 
1), and then select Connect.> On your Windows, Android, or iOS device: Open the 
Remote Desktop app > (available for free from Microsoft Store, Google Play, and 
the Mac App > Store), and add the name of the PC that you want to connect to 
(from > Step 1).  Select the remote PC name that you added, and then wait for > 
the connection to complete.>> 
--->> I am planning on 
using  on a laptop using my Google Fi account hotspot > but I am confused 
because these instructions don't explain how it > finds the named PC without a 
IP address or am I suppose to be using anapp.>> So should I use a Windows 10 
App to do this securely... are there > additional security measures I need to 
be aware of ?>>>> Thanks>

Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro Remote

[Bobby Heid]

TeamViewer was free for personal use if you don't connect to too many
different machines.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _
Winterlight
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 3:18 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro Remote

Wow, 35 to 55 bucks a month annual subscription requiredI had no idea
this was so expensive. Too much for something I will need for a week! Thanks
Chris


From: Hardware  on behalf of
Christopher Fisk 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 6:49 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro Remote

Those instructions are just for PCs on the same network.

For remote access across the internet teamviewer, logmein,  or similar is
what you'll need.

If you want to get all fancy you could go with setting up VPN between PCs
using something like hamachi.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:12 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I have never used remote PC in windows 10 Pro. I have used it with 
> Windows
> 7 Pro and Teamviewer for Win7 and 8 but never with 10 Pro. Now I have 
> need to do so. I want to be able to log on to my workstation from my 
> laptop in a remote location across the NET ... not from the LAN. Both 
> computers use the same version of windows 10.  So I look up MS 
> instructions and get this How to use Remote Desktop
>
> 
> Windows 10
>
> Use Remote Desktop on your Windows, Android, or iOS device to connect 
> to a Windows 10 PC from afar.
> Set up the PC you want to connect to so it allows remote connections:
> Make sure you have Windows 10 Pro. To check, go to Start  > Settings  
> > System > About and look for Edition. For info on how to get it, go 
> to Upgrade Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro.
> When you're ready, select Start  > Settings  > System > Remote 
> Desktop, and turn on Enable Remote Desktop.
> Make note of the name of this PC under How to connect to this PC. 
> You'll need this later.
> Use Remote Desktop to connect to the PC you set up:
> On your local Windows 10 PC: In the search box on the taskbar, type 
> Remote Desktop Connection, and then select Remote Desktop Connection. 
> In Remote Desktop Connection, type the name of the PC you want to 
> connect to (from Step 1), and then select Connect.
> On your Windows, Android, or iOS device: Open the Remote Desktop app 
> (available for free from Microsoft Store, Google Play, and the Mac App 
> Store), and add the name of the PC that you want to connect to (from 
> Step 1).  Select the remote PC name that you added, and then wait for 
> the connection to complete.
>
> ---
>
> I am planning on using  on a laptop using my Google Fi account hotspot 
> but I am confused because these instructions don't explain how it 
> finds the named PC without a IP address or am I suppose to be using an
app.
>
> So should I use a Windows 10 App to do this securely... are there 
> additional security measures I need to be aware of ?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>

Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro Remote

[_ Winterlight]

Wow, 35 to 55 bucks a month annual subscription requiredI had no idea this 
was so expensive. Too much for something I will need for a week! Thanks Chris


From: Hardware  on behalf of 
Christopher Fisk 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 6:49 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro Remote

Those instructions are just for PCs on the same network.

For remote access across the internet teamviewer, logmein,  or similar is
what you'll need.

If you want to get all fancy you could go with setting up VPN between PCs
using something like hamachi.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:12 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I have never used remote PC in windows 10 Pro. I have used it with Windows
> 7 Pro and Teamviewer for Win7 and 8 but never with 10 Pro. Now I have need
> to do so. I want to be able to log on to my workstation from my laptop in a
> remote location across the NET ... not from the LAN. Both computers use the
> same version of windows 10.  So I look up MS instructions and get this
> How to use Remote Desktop
>
> 
> Windows 10
>
> Use Remote Desktop on your Windows, Android, or iOS device to connect to a
> Windows 10 PC from afar.
> Set up the PC you want to connect to so it allows remote connections:
> Make sure you have Windows 10 Pro. To check, go to Start  > Settings  >
> System > About and look for Edition. For info on how to get it, go to
> Upgrade Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro.
> When you're ready, select Start  > Settings  > System > Remote Desktop,
> and turn on Enable Remote Desktop.
> Make note of the name of this PC under How to connect to this PC. You'll
> need this later.
> Use Remote Desktop to connect to the PC you set up:
> On your local Windows 10 PC: In the search box on the taskbar, type Remote
> Desktop Connection, and then select Remote Desktop Connection. In Remote
> Desktop Connection, type the name of the PC you want to connect to (from
> Step 1), and then select Connect.
> On your Windows, Android, or iOS device: Open the Remote Desktop app
> (available for free from Microsoft Store, Google Play, and the Mac App
> Store), and add the name of the PC that you want to connect to (from Step
> 1).  Select the remote PC name that you added, and then wait for the
> connection to complete.
>
> ---
>
> I am planning on using  on a laptop using my Google Fi account hotspot but
> I am confused because these instructions don't explain how it finds the
> named PC without a IP address or am I suppose to be using an app.
>
> So should I use a Windows 10 App to do this securely... are there
> additional security measures I need to be aware of ?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>

Re: [H] Windows 10 Pro Remote

[Christopher Fisk]

Those instructions are just for PCs on the same network.

For remote access across the internet teamviewer, logmein,  or similar is
what you'll need.

If you want to get all fancy you could go with setting up VPN between PCs
using something like hamachi.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:12 PM _ Winterlight 
wrote:

> I have never used remote PC in windows 10 Pro. I have used it with Windows
> 7 Pro and Teamviewer for Win7 and 8 but never with 10 Pro. Now I have need
> to do so. I want to be able to log on to my workstation from my laptop in a
> remote location across the NET ... not from the LAN. Both computers use the
> same version of windows 10.  So I look up MS instructions and get this
> How to use Remote Desktop
>
> 
> Windows 10
>
> Use Remote Desktop on your Windows, Android, or iOS device to connect to a
> Windows 10 PC from afar.
> Set up the PC you want to connect to so it allows remote connections:
> Make sure you have Windows 10 Pro. To check, go to Start  > Settings  >
> System > About and look for Edition. For info on how to get it, go to
> Upgrade Windows 10 Home to Windows 10 Pro.
> When you're ready, select Start  > Settings  > System > Remote Desktop,
> and turn on Enable Remote Desktop.
> Make note of the name of this PC under How to connect to this PC. You'll
> need this later.
> Use Remote Desktop to connect to the PC you set up:
> On your local Windows 10 PC: In the search box on the taskbar, type Remote
> Desktop Connection, and then select Remote Desktop Connection. In Remote
> Desktop Connection, type the name of the PC you want to connect to (from
> Step 1), and then select Connect.
> On your Windows, Android, or iOS device: Open the Remote Desktop app
> (available for free from Microsoft Store, Google Play, and the Mac App
> Store), and add the name of the PC that you want to connect to (from Step
> 1).  Select the remote PC name that you added, and then wait for the
> connection to complete.
>
> ---
>
> I am planning on using  on a laptop using my Google Fi account hotspot but
> I am confused because these instructions don't explain how it finds the
> named PC without a IP address or am I suppose to be using an app.
>
> So should I use a Windows 10 App to do this securely... are there
> additional security measures I need to be aware of ?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>

Re: [H] Setting up a System for Sale

[Steve Tomporowski]

Thanks, Greg.  The person using this computer never did much with data, 
only installing Mcafee over Windows Security (complaining on the 
computer was a 'dog') and doing Facebook.  A reset should do fine.  I 
was just concerned about the OEM key.  I've had lots of problems with 
Office keys and activation.


On 12/6/2021 8:41 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:

If Windows 10 was on it with a valid license, then a format & reinstall, so 
long as it has internet connectivity, should pull down that digital license 
entitlement from Microsoft's servers--so long as you're using the same edition 
(Home, Pro, Workstation, etc). If it doesn't do it automatically, I've had good 
luck with the activation troubleshooter.

If there's never been any data on it you care about, then a reset is a bit simpler: 
Settings, Update & Security, Recovery, Reset this PC

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Steve 
Tomporowski
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 7:32 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Setting up a System for Sale

Need some guidance.  I have an HP system I need to sell.  No data was put on it 
and I've uninstalled a bunch of crap (it is an HP). I can grab the key off the 
system, which is probably HP's OEM key.  If I sysprep it, will it validate the 
OS (Win10) when I put the key back in?  Or is there another way to set up the 
system for sale?

Thanks...Steve

Re: [H] Setting up a System for Sale

[Greg Sevart]

If Windows 10 was on it with a valid license, then a format & reinstall, so 
long as it has internet connectivity, should pull down that digital license 
entitlement from Microsoft's servers--so long as you're using the same edition 
(Home, Pro, Workstation, etc). If it doesn't do it automatically, I've had good 
luck with the activation troubleshooter.

If there's never been any data on it you care about, then a reset is a bit 
simpler: Settings, Update & Security, Recovery, Reset this PC

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Steve 
Tomporowski
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 7:32 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Setting up a System for Sale

Need some guidance.  I have an HP system I need to sell.  No data was put on it 
and I've uninstalled a bunch of crap (it is an HP). I can grab the key off the 
system, which is probably HP's OEM key.  If I sysprep it, will it validate the 
OS (Win10) when I put the key back in?  Or is there another way to set up the 
system for sale?

Thanks...Steve