Re: [hlds] Possible Host_Error crash fix
Thanks guys, I'm gonna try that Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.netwrote: I leave settings at defaults but allow taunts. Not one crash yet. - Neph On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I allow taunts and I think it works just as good. Windows though, no telling what linux will do. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Are the several things removed only for pl maps or for every map? What do you recommend to allow and block? Thanks Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: ahh, thx guysmissed that. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Part of the plugin. Check the cvars in the readme. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tony for the plugin. It's excellent! After installing on our TF2 servers we have had no crashes for the last 3 hours and our community is very happy instead of frustrated. Just asking this, but is anyone else having problems with the taunts not working? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Ben B brutalgoerge...@gmail.com wrote: has anyone noticed random weapon criticals no longer working after setting this up? I don't know if it was the tf2 update, or this plugin. I wouldn't think this affected crits anyhow. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Thank You! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible Host_Error crash fix
I get this on my linux server with taunts on and verbose on: Particles: Missing 'particles/error.pcf' ./srcds_run: line 352: 14306 Exception en point flottant $HL_CMD Add -debug to the ./srcds_run command line to generate a debug.log to help with solving this problem vendredi 27 février 2009, 09:23:10 (UTC+0100): Server restart in 10 seconds (floating point exception) The server restarts in loop I've tried stb_blocktaunts 0 and stb_blocktaunts off (off first, then thought it might want a 0 but no change) Even with all defaults settings, no cvar in my server.cfg, it crashes No more crash when I remove the plugin. If I can be of any help (but I cannot test ingame, I'm at work) Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Thanks guys, I'm gonna try that Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.netwrote: I leave settings at defaults but allow taunts. Not one crash yet. - Neph On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I allow taunts and I think it works just as good. Windows though, no telling what linux will do. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Are the several things removed only for pl maps or for every map? What do you recommend to allow and block? Thanks Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: ahh, thx guysmissed that. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Part of the plugin. Check the cvars in the readme. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tony for the plugin. It's excellent! After installing on our TF2 servers we have had no crashes for the last 3 hours and our community is very happy instead of frustrated. Just asking this, but is anyone else having problems with the taunts not working? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Ben B brutalgoerge...@gmail.com wrote: has anyone noticed random weapon criticals no longer working after setting this up? I don't know if it was the tf2 update, or this plugin. I wouldn't think this affected crits anyhow. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Thank You! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info -- http://www.coldfire.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-2193/?recent=26893 very nice 2009/2/27 Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.com Oh well, lets hope you get more than 4 in 6 months! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible Host_Error crash fix
If it helps: http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/core.18650 http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/debug.log debian etch uname -a: Linux xxx.ovh.net 2.6.24.5-grsec--grs-ipv4-64 #3 SMP Tue May 27 19:09:58 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: I get this on my linux server with taunts on and verbose on: Particles: Missing 'particles/error.pcf' ./srcds_run: line 352: 14306 Exception en point flottant $HL_CMD Add -debug to the ./srcds_run command line to generate a debug.log to help with solving this problem vendredi 27 février 2009, 09:23:10 (UTC+0100): Server restart in 10 seconds (floating point exception) The server restarts in loop I've tried stb_blocktaunts 0 and stb_blocktaunts off (off first, then thought it might want a 0 but no change) Even with all defaults settings, no cvar in my server.cfg, it crashes No more crash when I remove the plugin. If I can be of any help (but I cannot test ingame, I'm at work) Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Thanks guys, I'm gonna try that Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.netwrote: I leave settings at defaults but allow taunts. Not one crash yet. - Neph On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I allow taunts and I think it works just as good. Windows though, no telling what linux will do. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Are the several things removed only for pl maps or for every map? What do you recommend to allow and block? Thanks Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: ahh, thx guysmissed that. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Part of the plugin. Check the cvars in the readme. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tony for the plugin. It's excellent! After installing on our TF2 servers we have had no crashes for the last 3 hours and our community is very happy instead of frustrated. Just asking this, but is anyone else having problems with the taunts not working? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Ben B brutalgoerge...@gmail.com wrote: has anyone noticed random weapon criticals no longer working after setting this up? I don't know if it was the tf2 update, or this plugin. I wouldn't think this affected crits anyhow. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Thank You! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info -- http://www.coldfire.info -- http://www.coldfire.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible Host_Error crash fix
ive just installed this now, looking good so far. I have no idea how you can work out this stuff, its all dark voodoo coding to me. Is there a chance you might be able to release the sourcecode if its cosher to do so? On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: If it helps: http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/core.18650 http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/debug.log debian etch uname -a: Linux xxx.ovh.net 2.6.24.5-grsec--grs-ipv4-64 #3 SMP Tue May 27 19:09:58 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: I get this on my linux server with taunts on and verbose on: Particles: Missing 'particles/error.pcf' ./srcds_run: line 352: 14306 Exception en point flottant $HL_CMD Add -debug to the ./srcds_run command line to generate a debug.log to help with solving this problem vendredi 27 février 2009, 09:23:10 (UTC+0100): Server restart in 10 seconds (floating point exception) The server restarts in loop I've tried stb_blocktaunts 0 and stb_blocktaunts off (off first, then thought it might want a 0 but no change) Even with all defaults settings, no cvar in my server.cfg, it crashes No more crash when I remove the plugin. If I can be of any help (but I cannot test ingame, I'm at work) Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Thanks guys, I'm gonna try that Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.net wrote: I leave settings at defaults but allow taunts. Not one crash yet. - Neph On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I allow taunts and I think it works just as good. Windows though, no telling what linux will do. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Are the several things removed only for pl maps or for every map? What do you recommend to allow and block? Thanks Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: ahh, thx guysmissed that. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Part of the plugin. Check the cvars in the readme. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tony for the plugin. It's excellent! After installing on our TF2 servers we have had no crashes for the last 3 hours and our community is very happy instead of frustrated. Just asking this, but is anyone else having problems with the taunts not working? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Ben B brutalgoerge...@gmail.com wrote: has anyone noticed random weapon criticals no longer working after setting this up? I don't know if it was the tf2 update, or this plugin. I wouldn't think this affected crits anyhow. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Thank You! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info --
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
How about we keep f7 out of this. This was an uncoordinated event not discussed with upper management. f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness On Feb 26, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Chris wrote: So, I didn't know what clan msleeper was running but thought there would be loads of people complaining on his forums, and right enough in his bans section loads of people are complaining... First thread I saw this reply from one of his TF2 Division members: Or just do it on another non F7 server like everyone else who farms achievements does and don't fall for msleepers little trap next time. I think you should ban this guy msleeper, not only does he play on your server but he's one of your clan members in TF2 Division and he's condones and obviously is involved in the highly illicit practice of farming, and advising those who play on your servers to farm elsewhere! On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: This is not some noble cause that warrants beating your own drum in a one-man parade. What you're doing is the equivalent of a child offering to share their toys with another child, then taking them away and yelling NO! You're not allowed to play with my toys anymore! And my friends all hate you too! Hey everyone! Isn't this person stupid! Don't ever play with him because he's stupid! From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:16:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I am not trying to win anything. Farming is a polarized topic, where people feel agree it is wrong, or feel it is fine and isn't against the rules. Like all server communities, it is up to individual server admins to decide what they want to be allowed and not to be allowed. Am I saying that every single admin or player out there needs to feel the same way I do? Of course not. I'm not going to say that people need to feel the same way I feel about farming, either. It's not off base and it's not the way that you feel, so awesome. Don't run it, and enjoy farmers on your servers. On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 16:54 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote: msleeper, you are entirely missing the principal people are using to judge your logic/decision to base your bans off of. Until you decide to at least consider the fact that you might possibly be off base, weather or not you wrote a plugin to do this or that is a moot point. The quality or usability of the plugin isn't what is behind the driving force to resist you, it is the logic that farming is somehow a banable offence that people are disagreeing with, and until you consider the other arguements logically you will never win the arguement. -Matt On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Hey look I can crosspost to AlliedModders too. FYI my Karma is back up to where it was before, not like I care too much. I think you're missing the point. Nobody is forcing you to use the plugin, or enforce the banlist I have up. I am being called self-righteous, but then being flamed and -Karma'd for something that nobody is being held at gun point to use. If you don't like it, don't use it. End of story. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
i just installed drunken fools string table blocker to stop the random crashes. now im getting the map change timeout which i never had before! might have to install this one next! On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: great, I'll have to reenablesince we are getting major crashes. Thanks! On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:31 PM, SakeFox sake...@kingdomsend.com wrote: have it on 3 server and not a single crash on any Dog wrote: We run Neph's plugin on all six TF2 servers and it hasn't affected achievments. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:27 AM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: How about we keep f7 out of this. This was an uncoordinated event not discussed with upper management. f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness On Feb 26, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Chris wrote: So, I didn't know what clan msleeper was running but thought there would be loads of people complaining on his forums, and right enough in his bans section loads of people are complaining... First thread I saw this reply from one of his TF2 Division members: Or just do it on another non F7 server like everyone else who farms achievements does and don't fall for msleepers little trap next time. I think you should ban this guy msleeper, not only does he play on your server but he's one of your clan members in TF2 Division and he's condones and obviously is involved in the highly illicit practice of farming, and advising those who play on your servers to farm elsewhere! On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: This is not some noble cause that warrants beating your own drum in a one-man parade. What you're doing is the equivalent of a child offering to share their toys with another child, then taking them away and yelling NO! You're not allowed to play with my toys anymore! And my friends all hate you too! Hey everyone! Isn't this person stupid! Don't ever play with him because he's stupid! From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:16:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I am not trying to win anything. Farming is a polarized topic, where people feel agree it is wrong, or feel it is fine and isn't against the rules. Like all server communities, it is up to individual server admins to decide what they want to be allowed and not to be allowed. Am I saying that every single admin or player out there needs to feel the same way I do? Of course not. I'm not going to say that people need to feel the same way I feel about farming, either. It's not off base and it's not the way that you feel, so awesome. Don't run it, and enjoy farmers on your servers. On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 16:54 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote: msleeper, you are entirely missing the principal people are using to judge your logic/decision to base your bans off of. Until you decide to at least consider the fact that you might possibly be off base, weather or not you wrote a plugin to do this or that is a moot point. The quality or usability of the plugin isn't what is behind the driving force to resist you, it is the logic that farming is somehow a banable offence that people are disagreeing with, and until you consider the other arguements logically you will never win the arguement. -Matt On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Hey look I can crosspost to AlliedModders too. FYI my Karma is back up to where it was before, not like I care too much. I think you're missing the point. Nobody is forcing you to use the plugin, or enforce the banlist I have up. I am being called self-righteous, but then being flamed and -Karma'd for something that nobody is being held at gun point to use. If you don't like it, don't use it. End of story. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
oops, replied to the wrong e-mail. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:50 AM, RideGuy ryde...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:27 AM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: How about we keep f7 out of this. This was an uncoordinated event not discussed with upper management. f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness On Feb 26, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Chris wrote: So, I didn't know what clan msleeper was running but thought there would be loads of people complaining on his forums, and right enough in his bans section loads of people are complaining... First thread I saw this reply from one of his TF2 Division members: Or just do it on another non F7 server like everyone else who farms achievements does and don't fall for msleepers little trap next time. I think you should ban this guy msleeper, not only does he play on your server but he's one of your clan members in TF2 Division and he's condones and obviously is involved in the highly illicit practice of farming, and advising those who play on your servers to farm elsewhere! On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: This is not some noble cause that warrants beating your own drum in a one-man parade. What you're doing is the equivalent of a child offering to share their toys with another child, then taking them away and yelling NO! You're not allowed to play with my toys anymore! And my friends all hate you too! Hey everyone! Isn't this person stupid! Don't ever play with him because he's stupid! From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:16:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I am not trying to win anything. Farming is a polarized topic, where people feel agree it is wrong, or feel it is fine and isn't against the rules. Like all server communities, it is up to individual server admins to decide what they want to be allowed and not to be allowed. Am I saying that every single admin or player out there needs to feel the same way I do? Of course not. I'm not going to say that people need to feel the same way I feel about farming, either. It's not off base and it's not the way that you feel, so awesome. Don't run it, and enjoy farmers on your servers. On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 16:54 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote: msleeper, you are entirely missing the principal people are using to judge your logic/decision to base your bans off of. Until you decide to at least consider the fact that you might possibly be off base, weather or not you wrote a plugin to do this or that is a moot point. The quality or usability of the plugin isn't what is behind the driving force to resist you, it is the logic that farming is somehow a banable offence that people are disagreeing with, and until you consider the other arguements logically you will never win the arguement. -Matt On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Hey look I can crosspost to AlliedModders too. FYI my Karma is back up to where it was before, not like I care too much. I think you're missing the point. Nobody is forcing you to use the plugin, or enforce the banlist I have up. I am being called self-righteous, but then being flamed and -Karma'd for something that nobody is being held at gun point to use. If you don't like it, don't use it. End of story. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
The people you have at the top are representative of the type of outfit you run. If you're stuck with having a moron at the top because he provides free hosting or what not, then you have my deepest sympathies. From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of f0rkz [h...@f0rkznet.net] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:27 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot How about we keep f7 out of this. This was an uncoordinated event not discussed with upper management. f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness On Feb 26, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Chris wrote: So, I didn't know what clan msleeper was running but thought there would be loads of people complaining on his forums, and right enough in his bans section loads of people are complaining... First thread I saw this reply from one of his TF2 Division members: Or just do it on another non F7 server like everyone else who farms achievements does and don't fall for msleepers little trap next time. I think you should ban this guy msleeper, not only does he play on your server but he's one of your clan members in TF2 Division and he's condones and obviously is involved in the highly illicit practice of farming, and advising those who play on your servers to farm elsewhere! On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: This is not some noble cause that warrants beating your own drum in a one-man parade. What you're doing is the equivalent of a child offering to share their toys with another child, then taking them away and yelling NO! You're not allowed to play with my toys anymore! And my friends all hate you too! Hey everyone! Isn't this person stupid! Don't ever play with him because he's stupid! From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:16:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I am not trying to win anything. Farming is a polarized topic, where people feel agree it is wrong, or feel it is fine and isn't against the rules. Like all server communities, it is up to individual server admins to decide what they want to be allowed and not to be allowed. Am I saying that every single admin or player out there needs to feel the same way I do? Of course not. I'm not going to say that people need to feel the same way I feel about farming, either. It's not off base and it's not the way that you feel, so awesome. Don't run it, and enjoy farmers on your servers. On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 16:54 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote: msleeper, you are entirely missing the principal people are using to judge your logic/decision to base your bans off of. Until you decide to at least consider the fact that you might possibly be off base, weather or not you wrote a plugin to do this or that is a moot point. The quality or usability of the plugin isn't what is behind the driving force to resist you, it is the logic that farming is somehow a banable offence that people are disagreeing with, and until you consider the other arguements logically you will never win the arguement. -Matt On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Hey look I can crosspost to AlliedModders too. FYI my Karma is back up to where it was before, not like I care too much. I think you're missing the point. Nobody is forcing you to use the plugin, or enforce the banlist I have up. I am being called self-righteous, but then being flamed and -Karma'd for something that nobody is being held at gun point to use. If you don't like it, don't use it. End of story. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe,
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Get with Msleeper abut f7's events after all he is representing you on the allied forums. and his own quote here on this thread is that the members that were banned on his joke server had been dealt with. Seems to me the way it was stated he has some sort of power or influence there. Certainly I believe he represents your clan at a high level and Im sure others do a s well ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Gee even the website says he is a founder, Idk how that couldnt be considered senior management... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Leave Msleeper alone, he's just a sad, sad, lonely little boy. Clyde cide wrote: Gee even the website says he is a founder, Idk how that couldnt be considered senior management... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible Host_Error crash fix
Almost 12 hours in, no crash, the plugin is set at default. -Matt On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Arg! chillic...@gmail.com wrote: ive just installed this now, looking good so far. I have no idea how you can work out this stuff, its all dark voodoo coding to me. Is there a chance you might be able to release the sourcecode if its cosher to do so? On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: If it helps: http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/core.18650 http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/debug.log debian etch uname -a: Linux xxx.ovh.net 2.6.24.5-grsec--grs-ipv4-64 #3 SMP Tue May 27 19:09:58 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: I get this on my linux server with taunts on and verbose on: Particles: Missing 'particles/error.pcf' ./srcds_run: line 352: 14306 Exception en point flottant $HL_CMD Add -debug to the ./srcds_run command line to generate a debug.log to help with solving this problem vendredi 27 février 2009, 09:23:10 (UTC+0100): Server restart in 10 seconds (floating point exception) The server restarts in loop I've tried stb_blocktaunts 0 and stb_blocktaunts off (off first, then thought it might want a 0 but no change) Even with all defaults settings, no cvar in my server.cfg, it crashes No more crash when I remove the plugin. If I can be of any help (but I cannot test ingame, I'm at work) Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Thanks guys, I'm gonna try that Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.net wrote: I leave settings at defaults but allow taunts. Not one crash yet. - Neph On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I allow taunts and I think it works just as good. Windows though, no telling what linux will do. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Are the several things removed only for pl maps or for every map? What do you recommend to allow and block? Thanks Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: ahh, thx guysmissed that. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Part of the plugin. Check the cvars in the readme. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tony for the plugin. It's excellent! After installing on our TF2 servers we have had no crashes for the last 3 hours and our community is very happy instead of frustrated. Just asking this, but is anyone else having problems with the taunts not working? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Ben B brutalgoerge...@gmail.com wrote: has anyone noticed random weapon criticals no longer working after setting this up? I don't know if it was the tf2 update, or this plugin. I wouldn't think this affected crits anyhow. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Thank You! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please
[hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I took some time to digest this whole HoneyPot on Cheese (achievements) for the Scout that msleeper of F7lans has thrust upon the TF2 Game. Many of you have responded directly to msleeper for his logic (or illogic) behind his methods of creating such a venue and some to his defense. That venue being to put up a sign that says, Come on in and get your Cheese!! We have all kinds for your palette!! (X duration passes. BANNED for 30 Days) - my personal POV of it msleeper, sorry. I do have an issue with how this was pitched by msleeper and I think it’s where most of the other server admins root offense to msleeper is derived. The fact is that msleeper’s description of the plugin on various sites has the wording “ACHIEVEMENT FARMERS, BE WARNED! SERVER ADMINS ARE FIGHTING BACK!” and “TAKE BACK TEAM FORTRESS!” (This one is on Steam forums, but I have seen them similarly elsewhere). Again, msleeper’s reasoning is because he believes or his “opinion” is that Cheese farming is “cheating”. This is what I gather is the foundation for the plugin. Two things come out of this with respect to the majority of the server admins here: 1) …Server Admins are fighting back snippet implies every server admin is doing this, when in fact that is so far from reality or common sense, and 2) How msleeper qualifies cheese farming in his view to be cheating. I’m not here to say what other people should or should not be doing. I give credit to msleeper’s poorly executed joke early on of citing his HoneyPot as a Chris Hansen operation. Damn dude, cheese farming is SO like breaking the law. For me that was just distasteful b/c it gave a sense that you were being noble in some way. I also give credit in that some people see this topic differently though (eg, I hate farmer altogether, BAN them, I like to farm in certain ways, or who the eff cares, etc.). We all have our Communities, created by whatever means we (server admins) chose. The problem here is not cheese itself, nor Valve, nor the players. The problem, even with all the stipulations msleeper delineated, is the idea or notion that other Server Admins are doing this also (ie. Server Admins are Fighting Back, etc.). This was my interpretation of msleeper’s announcement. Maybe some of you felt the same or other. I personally do not associate myself to this as I chose to be proactive with my Community and just password the server. This allowed our Community to play TF2 “normally” or “typically” the way we play without random players. No cheese map at all. If ppl want to farm, then they can try, but they were told not to expect not getting killed or w/e due to others choosing to play typically. Just sharing what the [FLASH] venue is during this Scout Update. Finally, every issue in life, especially polarizing ones, requires some sort of qualification, basis, justification, etc. This also means that assumptions even need the same. Standing behind “…its just my opinion” just does not cut it when its in the same sentence or words of some righteous act for server admins abound. Ahhh, hell…this is a puter game!! [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:36:08 -0500 From: Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Message-ID: c134a6d2cc381d439ca54d96669366bc328a686...@mail.kills.us Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 The people you have at the top are representative of the type of outfit you run. If you're stuck with having a moron at the top because he provides free hosting or what not, then you have my deepest sympathies. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Another annoying thing about this is that the ban list he creates can and might possibly be spread around. God knows i'm the first the admit i dont read everything properly (Scout cant double jump thread!) - so some other admins might just see that the list is a general cheaters list and add them to their ban list. If his goal was to police his own F7lan clan or whatever its called, then keep the list private just for that. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Scout cant double jump since latest update
Plugin or not, I'd like to get back to the original logic msleeper used to create that plugin, and that is that farming is cheating. Which I disagree with, and feel that argument shouldn't be the basis for why people (admins) use the plugin. It's just rediculous. -Matt ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Kekekekeke. http://forums.f7lans.com/farm-at-f7lans-be-banned-t1380.html It's on your forums. As far as I'm concerned it's an official bulletin from F7. :) On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:27 AM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: How about we keep f7 out of this. This was an uncoordinated event not discussed with upper management. f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness On Feb 26, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Chris wrote: So, I didn't know what clan msleeper was running but thought there would be loads of people complaining on his forums, and right enough in his bans section loads of people are complaining... First thread I saw this reply from one of his TF2 Division members: Or just do it on another non F7 server like everyone else who farms achievements does and don't fall for msleepers little trap next time. I think you should ban this guy msleeper, not only does he play on your server but he's one of your clan members in TF2 Division and he's condones and obviously is involved in the highly illicit practice of farming, and advising those who play on your servers to farm elsewhere! On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: This is not some noble cause that warrants beating your own drum in a one-man parade. What you're doing is the equivalent of a child offering to share their toys with another child, then taking them away and yelling NO! You're not allowed to play with my toys anymore! And my friends all hate you too! Hey everyone! Isn't this person stupid! Don't ever play with him because he's stupid! From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:16:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I am not trying to win anything. Farming is a polarized topic, where people feel agree it is wrong, or feel it is fine and isn't against the rules. Like all server communities, it is up to individual server admins to decide what they want to be allowed and not to be allowed. Am I saying that every single admin or player out there needs to feel the same way I do? Of course not. I'm not going to say that people need to feel the same way I feel about farming, either. It's not off base and it's not the way that you feel, so awesome. Don't run it, and enjoy farmers on your servers. On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 16:54 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote: msleeper, you are entirely missing the principal people are using to judge your logic/decision to base your bans off of. Until you decide to at least consider the fact that you might possibly be off base, weather or not you wrote a plugin to do this or that is a moot point. The quality or usability of the plugin isn't what is behind the driving force to resist you, it is the logic that farming is somehow a banable offence that people are disagreeing with, and until you consider the other arguements logically you will never win the arguement. -Matt On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Hey look I can crosspost to AlliedModders too. FYI my Karma is back up to where it was before, not like I care too much. I think you're missing the point. Nobody is forcing you to use the plugin, or enforce the banlist I have up. I am being called self-righteous, but then being flamed and -Karma'd for something that nobody is being held at gun point to use. If you don't like it, don't use it. End of story. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Sleepers tag even says F7Lans Founder more like F7Lans Flounder! On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Kekekekeke. http://forums.f7lans.com/farm-at-f7lans-be-banned-t1380.html It's on your forums. As far as I'm concerned it's an official bulletin from F7. :) On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:27 AM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: How about we keep f7 out of this. This was an uncoordinated event not discussed with upper management. f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness On Feb 26, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Chris wrote: So, I didn't know what clan msleeper was running but thought there would be loads of people complaining on his forums, and right enough in his bans section loads of people are complaining... First thread I saw this reply from one of his TF2 Division members: Or just do it on another non F7 server like everyone else who farms achievements does and don't fall for msleepers little trap next time. I think you should ban this guy msleeper, not only does he play on your server but he's one of your clan members in TF2 Division and he's condones and obviously is involved in the highly illicit practice of farming, and advising those who play on your servers to farm elsewhere! On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: This is not some noble cause that warrants beating your own drum in a one-man parade. What you're doing is the equivalent of a child offering to share their toys with another child, then taking them away and yelling NO! You're not allowed to play with my toys anymore! And my friends all hate you too! Hey everyone! Isn't this person stupid! Don't ever play with him because he's stupid! From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:16:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I am not trying to win anything. Farming is a polarized topic, where people feel agree it is wrong, or feel it is fine and isn't against the rules. Like all server communities, it is up to individual server admins to decide what they want to be allowed and not to be allowed. Am I saying that every single admin or player out there needs to feel the same way I do? Of course not. I'm not going to say that people need to feel the same way I feel about farming, either. It's not off base and it's not the way that you feel, so awesome. Don't run it, and enjoy farmers on your servers. On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 16:54 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote: msleeper, you are entirely missing the principal people are using to judge your logic/decision to base your bans off of. Until you decide to at least consider the fact that you might possibly be off base, weather or not you wrote a plugin to do this or that is a moot point. The quality or usability of the plugin isn't what is behind the driving force to resist you, it is the logic that farming is somehow a banable offence that people are disagreeing with, and until you consider the other arguements logically you will never win the arguement. -Matt On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Hey look I can crosspost to AlliedModders too. FYI my Karma is back up to where it was before, not like I care too much. I think you're missing the point. Nobody is forcing you to use the plugin, or enforce the banlist I have up. I am being called self-righteous, but then being flamed and -Karma'd for something that nobody is being held at gun point to use. If you don't like it, don't use it. End of story. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Read some of the stuff there... Wow. Msleeper's servers take donations and offer benefits to their Supporters, and they intend to let people buy ads to spam in-game! Wonder how much of a hit to his donations he'll get from this fiasco. We are also going to be adding a new way to support! Starting soon, we are going to be offering in-game ads to the public. Want to tell everyone that you pwn Scouts for a living? Or that no zombie is safe from you? Soon you can, and let EVERYONE know! As always, we are open to ideas and suggestions, so if you have a cool idea for a Supporter benefit, let us know! Who knows, if we use your ideas we might give you some freebie Supporter. Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:18:42 -0600 From: cc2isc...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Kekekekeke. http://forums.f7lans.com/farm-at-f7lans-be-banned-t1380.html It's on your forums. As far as I'm concerned it's an official bulletin from F7. :) On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:27 AM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: How about we keep f7 out of this. This was an uncoordinated event not discussed with upper management. f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness On Feb 26, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Chris wrote: So, I didn't know what clan msleeper was running but thought there would be loads of people complaining on his forums, and right enough in his bans section loads of people are complaining... First thread I saw this reply from one of his TF2 Division members: Or just do it on another non F7 server like everyone else who farms achievements does and don't fall for msleepers little trap next time. I think you should ban this guy msleeper, not only does he play on your server but he's one of your clan members in TF2 Division and he's condones and obviously is involved in the highly illicit practice of farming, and advising those who play on your servers to farm elsewhere! On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: This is not some noble cause that warrants beating your own drum in a one-man parade. What you're doing is the equivalent of a child offering to share their toys with another child, then taking them away and yelling NO! You're not allowed to play with my toys anymore! And my friends all hate you too! Hey everyone! Isn't this person stupid! Don't ever play with him because he's stupid! From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:16:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I am not trying to win anything. Farming is a polarized topic, where people feel agree it is wrong, or feel it is fine and isn't against the rules. Like all server communities, it is up to individual server admins to decide what they want to be allowed and not to be allowed. Am I saying that every single admin or player out there needs to feel the same way I do? Of course not. I'm not going to say that people need to feel the same way I feel about farming, either. It's not off base and it's not the way that you feel, so awesome. Don't run it, and enjoy farmers on your servers. On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 16:54 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote: msleeper, you are entirely missing the principal people are using to judge your logic/decision to base your bans off of. Until you decide to at least consider the fact that you might possibly be off base, weather or not you wrote a plugin to do this or that is a moot point. The quality or usability of the plugin isn't what is behind the driving force to resist you, it is the logic that farming is somehow a banable offence that people are disagreeing with, and until you consider the other arguements logically you will never win the arguement. -Matt On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Hey look I can crosspost to AlliedModders too. FYI my Karma is back up to where it was before, not like I care too much. I think you're missing the point. Nobody is forcing you to use the plugin, or enforce the banlist I have up. I am being called self-righteous, but then being flamed and -Karma'd for something that nobody is being held at gun point to use. If you don't like it, don't use it. End of story. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
This is supposed to be a list about how to admin servers. msleeper's post about his plugin is valid as it serves to admin servers in a way. Likewise, discussion about how some feel about it is valid as a response. Continuing this discussion in the vein of trashing people and clans should stop, as it serves no purpose here. Sometimes the forum portion would be nice because you could lock an out of control thread. -Original Message- From: Blood Letter [mailto:bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:12 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Read some of the stuff there... Wow. Msleeper's servers take donations and offer benefits to their Supporters, and they intend to let people buy ads to spam in-game! Wonder how much of a hit to his donations he'll get from this fiasco. We are also going to be adding a new way to support! Starting soon, we are going to be offering in-game ads to the public. Want to tell everyone that you pwn Scouts for a living? Or that no zombie is safe from you? Soon you can, and let EVERYONE know! As always, we are open to ideas and suggestions, so if you have a cool idea for a Supporter benefit, let us know! Who knows, if we use your ideas we might give you some freebie Supporter. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible Host_Error crash fix
I also have the plugin installed and set at default. I have Neph's plugin installed too, figured I'd cover all areas. No crashes after 18 hours. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:11 AM, CLAN RCR clan...@gmail.com wrote: Almost 12 hours in, no crash, the plugin is set at default. -Matt On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Arg! chillic...@gmail.com wrote: ive just installed this now, looking good so far. I have no idea how you can work out this stuff, its all dark voodoo coding to me. Is there a chance you might be able to release the sourcecode if its cosher to do so? On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: If it helps: http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/core.18650 http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/debug.log debian etch uname -a: Linux xxx.ovh.net 2.6.24.5-grsec--grs-ipv4-64 #3 SMP Tue May 27 19:09:58 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: I get this on my linux server with taunts on and verbose on: Particles: Missing 'particles/error.pcf' ./srcds_run: line 352: 14306 Exception en point flottant $HL_CMD Add -debug to the ./srcds_run command line to generate a debug.log to help with solving this problem vendredi 27 février 2009, 09:23:10 (UTC+0100): Server restart in 10 seconds (floating point exception) The server restarts in loop I've tried stb_blocktaunts 0 and stb_blocktaunts off (off first, then thought it might want a 0 but no change) Even with all defaults settings, no cvar in my server.cfg, it crashes No more crash when I remove the plugin. If I can be of any help (but I cannot test ingame, I'm at work) Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Thanks guys, I'm gonna try that Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.net wrote: I leave settings at defaults but allow taunts. Not one crash yet. - Neph On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I allow taunts and I think it works just as good. Windows though, no telling what linux will do. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Are the several things removed only for pl maps or for every map? What do you recommend to allow and block? Thanks Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: ahh, thx guysmissed that. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Part of the plugin. Check the cvars in the readme. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tony for the plugin. It's excellent! After installing on our TF2 servers we have had no crashes for the last 3 hours and our community is very happy instead of frustrated. Just asking this, but is anyone else having problems with the taunts not working? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Ben B brutalgoerge...@gmail.com wrote: has anyone noticed random weapon criticals no longer working after setting this up? I don't know if it was the tf2 update, or this plugin. I wouldn't think this affected crits anyhow. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Thank You! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] [TF2] Rcon / SM Command to show players CLASS
Is there an rcon command or even a sourcemod plugin that I can use to query the server and see what class they are -- specifically I want to know if they are spectator or not. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Possible Host_Error crash fix
Contact me off-list and well see if we can figure it out. Somebody else was telling me he was getting the problem on an old machine but that it worked on any other. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Coldorak Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:46 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Possible Host_Error crash fix If it helps: http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/core.18650 http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/debug.log debian etch uname -a: Linux xxx.ovh.net 2.6.24.5-grsec--grs-ipv4-64 #3 SMP Tue May 27 19:09:58 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: I get this on my linux server with taunts on and verbose on: Particles: Missing 'particles/error.pcf' ./srcds_run: line 352: 14306 Exception en point flottant $HL_CMD Add -debug to the ./srcds_run command line to generate a debug.log to help with solving this problem vendredi 27 février 2009, 09:23:10 (UTC+0100): Server restart in 10 seconds (floating point exception) The server restarts in loop I've tried stb_blocktaunts 0 and stb_blocktaunts off (off first, then thought it might want a 0 but no change) Even with all defaults settings, no cvar in my server.cfg, it crashes No more crash when I remove the plugin. If I can be of any help (but I cannot test ingame, I'm at work) Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Thanks guys, I'm gonna try that Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.netwrote: I leave settings at defaults but allow taunts. Not one crash yet. - Neph On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I allow taunts and I think it works just as good. Windows though, no telling what linux will do. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Are the several things removed only for pl maps or for every map? What do you recommend to allow and block? Thanks Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: ahh, thx guysmissed that. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Part of the plugin. Check the cvars in the readme. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tony for the plugin. It's excellent! After installing on our TF2 servers we have had no crashes for the last 3 hours and our community is very happy instead of frustrated. Just asking this, but is anyone else having problems with the taunts not working? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Ben B brutalgoerge...@gmail.com wrote: has anyone noticed random weapon criticals no longer working after setting this up? I don't know if it was the tf2 update, or this plugin. I wouldn't think this affected crits anyhow. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Thank You! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.coldfire.info --
Re: [hlds] [TF2] Rcon / SM Command to show players CLASS
I use HLSW to admin my server from the outside. If you add the rcon password
in and click on get get log {internet} it will begin to show you who is on
what team, if they are spectaiting or not. Sometimes you will see a blank
spot in a space. That person is generaly connecting to the server or looking
at the MOTD with out being all the way in the server.
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Re: [hlds] Possible Host_Error crash fix
I loaded both up this morning as well, got tired of waiting for an update. I was still randomly crashing after the last tf2 update though not nearly as bad as the 2 initial scout updates. We'll see (xfingers)! From: Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:39:32 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Possible Host_Error crash fix I also have the plugin installed and set at default. I have Neph's plugin installed too, figured I'd cover all areas. No crashes after 18 hours. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:11 AM, CLAN RCR clan...@gmail.com wrote: Almost 12 hours in, no crash, the plugin is set at default. -Matt On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Arg! chillic...@gmail.com wrote: ive just installed this now, looking good so far. I have no idea how you can work out this stuff, its all dark voodoo coding to me. Is there a chance you might be able to release the sourcecode if its cosher to do so? On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: If it helps: http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/core.18650 http://www.coldfire.info/tf2/debug/debug.log debian etch uname -a: Linux xxx.ovh.net 2.6.24.5-grsec--grs-ipv4-64 #3 SMP Tue May 27 19:09:58 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: I get this on my linux server with taunts on and verbose on: Particles: Missing 'particles/error.pcf' ./srcds_run: line 352: 14306 Exception en point flottant $HL_CMD Add -debug to the ./srcds_run command line to generate a debug.log to help with solving this problem vendredi 27 février 2009, 09:23:10 (UTC+0100): Server restart in 10 seconds (floating point exception) The server restarts in loop I've tried stb_blocktaunts 0 and stb_blocktaunts off (off first, then thought it might want a 0 but no change) Even with all defaults settings, no cvar in my server.cfg, it crashes No more crash when I remove the plugin. If I can be of any help (but I cannot test ingame, I'm at work) Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Thanks guys, I'm gonna try that Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.net wrote: I leave settings at defaults but allow taunts. Not one crash yet. - Neph On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I allow taunts and I think it works just as good. Windows though, no telling what linux will do. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Coldorak coldorak@gmail.com wrote: Are the several things removed only for pl maps or for every map? What do you recommend to allow and block? Thanks Cold On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: ahh, thx guysmissed that. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Part of the plugin. Check the cvars in the readme. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tony for the plugin. It's excellent! After installing on our TF2 servers we have had no crashes for the last 3 hours and our community is very happy instead of frustrated. Just asking this, but is anyone else having problems with the taunts not working? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Ben B brutalgoerge...@gmail.com wrote: has anyone noticed random weapon criticals no longer working after setting this up? I don't know if it was the tf2 update, or this plugin. I wouldn't think this affected crits anyhow. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Thank You! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Moving on
I agree that having the new weapons available right away does make sense. Less grinding is better, and the overload of one class would end sooner. Not to mention that new players would no longer be alienated by not having all the different weapons to try out right away. Although that's just my opinion. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.comwrote: As we have all seen the Achievements locked to weapons is a bit divisive in the community. I personally would like to see a split from this to you get the weapons straight out plus you have a nice amount of achievements that actually mean something other than Ive got to get these to get those weapons. I play DODS this game has 50 or so achievements that are not tied to weapons, imho its more fun and means more to get these achievements. Takes less of the pressure off to be able to compete with every one else. If we moved away from the unlockables and to just achievements and weapons, we would also kill the farming servers, the unlocker, moronic plugins, and would also cut down on all 1 class all the time as seen in every previous update. I feel that now is the right time to have a serious discussion on the matter in light of F7 clans honey pot plugin and the drama its caused. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Moving on
I completly agree. Regards Yatin On 27 Feb 2009, at 19:11, Brent Veal naslund.fan...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that having the new weapons available right away does make sense. Less grinding is better, and the overload of one class would end sooner. Not to mention that new players would no longer be alienated by not having all the different weapons to try out right away. Although that's just my opinion. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: As we have all seen the Achievements locked to weapons is a bit divisive in the community. I personally would like to see a split from this to you get the weapons straight out plus you have a nice amount of achievements that actually mean something other than Ive got to get these to get those weapons. I play DODS this game has 50 or so achievements that are not tied to weapons, imho its more fun and means more to get these achievements. Takes less of the pressure off to be able to compete with every one else. If we moved away from the unlockables and to just achievements and weapons, we would also kill the farming servers, the unlocker, moronic plugins, and would also cut down on all 1 class all the time as seen in every previous update. I feel that now is the right time to have a serious discussion on the matter in light of F7 clans honey pot plugin and the drama its caused. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Moving on
I like getting them too, but the way the game has turned with people banning because of achievements or people downloading programs to get achievements is sort of ridiculous. I used to have the opposite opinion, but after the fourth class update I wish they would just remove unlockables and make them available from the start now. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM, matan nov tanktun...@gmail.com wrote: I like doing achievements (not grinding or using plugins and such, working towards them) to get the weapons, the big scout/heavy/medic/pyro/etc boom only lasts a few days and everything goes back to normal, plus an extra scout or two per team for the next few weeks, not that terrible. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Brent Veal naslund.fan...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that having the new weapons available right away does make sense. Less grinding is better, and the overload of one class would end sooner. Not to mention that new players would no longer be alienated by not having all the different weapons to try out right away. Although that's just my opinion. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: As we have all seen the Achievements locked to weapons is a bit divisive in the community. I personally would like to see a split from this to you get the weapons straight out plus you have a nice amount of achievements that actually mean something other than Ive got to get these to get those weapons. I play DODS this game has 50 or so achievements that are not tied to weapons, imho its more fun and means more to get these achievements. Takes less of the pressure off to be able to compete with every one else. If we moved away from the unlockables and to just achievements and weapons, we would also kill the farming servers, the unlocker, moronic plugins, and would also cut down on all 1 class all the time as seen in every previous update. I feel that now is the right time to have a serious discussion on the matter in light of F7 clans honey pot plugin and the drama its caused. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Moving on
IMO, they should just do away with the unlockables and make the new weapons available. Everybody gets them anyway, one way or another, so it's a little pointless. All you end up with is a corrupt achievements system where the majority of players farmed the achievements, solely to get the unlocks. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake Skenna Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:55 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Moving on I like getting them too, but the way the game has turned with people banning because of achievements or people downloading programs to get achievements is sort of ridiculous. I used to have the opposite opinion, but after the fourth class update I wish they would just remove unlockables and make them available from the start now. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM, matan nov tanktun...@gmail.com wrote: I like doing achievements (not grinding or using plugins and such, working towards them) to get the weapons, the big scout/heavy/medic/pyro/etc boom only lasts a few days and everything goes back to normal, plus an extra scout or two per team for the next few weeks, not that terrible. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Brent Veal naslund.fan...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that having the new weapons available right away does make sense. Less grinding is better, and the overload of one class would end sooner. Not to mention that new players would no longer be alienated by not having all the different weapons to try out right away. Although that's just my opinion. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: As we have all seen the Achievements locked to weapons is a bit divisive in the community. I personally would like to see a split from this to you get the weapons straight out plus you have a nice amount of achievements that actually mean something other than Ive got to get these to get those weapons. I play DODS this game has 50 or so achievements that are not tied to weapons, imho its more fun and means more to get these achievements. Takes less of the pressure off to be able to compete with every one else. If we moved away from the unlockables and to just achievements and weapons, we would also kill the farming servers, the unlocker, moronic plugins, and would also cut down on all 1 class all the time as seen in every previous update. I feel that now is the right time to have a serious discussion on the matter in light of F7 clans honey pot plugin and the drama its caused. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Moving on
I'm in the untie weapon unlocks from achievements camp myself - that would definitely end the fighting on the list from the past few days. -mauirixxx - Sent from my #hlserveradmins IRC fanboyism -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:57 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Moving on Maybe a better system would be to let the player decide. For instance...have an optional interface. If they change it to giving all weapons without achievements, it will give them all the weapons and the achievements could be for a more fun purpose. Or for the players that like getting achievements, they could have the option of disabling the weapons until they get enough achievements for the actual milestones. Honestly either way people are going to get the weapons, whether they cheat and farm them or not...so why not let the player decide what they want to do? On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: IMO, they should just do away with the unlockables and make the new weapons available. Everybody gets them anyway, one way or another, so it's a little pointless. All you end up with is a corrupt achievements system where the majority of players farmed the achievements, solely to get the unlocks. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake Skenna Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:55 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Moving on I like getting them too, but the way the game has turned with people banning because of achievements or people downloading programs to get achievements is sort of ridiculous. I used to have the opposite opinion, but after the fourth class update I wish they would just remove unlockables and make them available from the start now. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM, matan nov tanktun...@gmail.com wrote: I like doing achievements (not grinding or using plugins and such, working towards them) to get the weapons, the big scout/heavy/medic/pyro/etc boom only lasts a few days and everything goes back to normal, plus an extra scout or two per team for the next few weeks, not that terrible. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Brent Veal naslund.fan...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that having the new weapons available right away does make sense. Less grinding is better, and the overload of one class would end sooner. Not to mention that new players would no longer be alienated by not having all the different weapons to try out right away. Although that's just my opinion. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: As we have all seen the Achievements locked to weapons is a bit divisive in the community. I personally would like to see a split from this to you get the weapons straight out plus you have a nice amount of achievements that actually mean something other than Ive got to get these to get those weapons. I play DODS this game has 50 or so achievements that are not tied to weapons, imho its more fun and means more to get these achievements. Takes less of the pressure off to be able to compete with every one else. If we moved away from the unlockables and to just achievements and weapons, we would also kill the farming servers, the unlocker, moronic plugins, and would also cut down on all 1 class all the time as seen in every previous update. I feel that now is the right time to have a serious discussion on the matter in light of F7 clans honey pot plugin and the drama its caused. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list
Re: [hlds] Moving on
Well, if you guys recall.. For the first few weeks when the medic pack came out you had to meet a lot more achievements (all of them) to get the last weapon. One of the larger achievements was to heal a million points and that was a requirement to get before you could unlock the ubersaw. From what I heard some people complained about the time required to get that achievement, and henceforth we have only needed to do a certain few number of achievements to gain all the milestones. Anyway, long story short.. I don't mind the achievements being bound to the weapons, but there needs to be a check or some huge goal in place to keep people who don't play scout (or said class) often from getting all the weapons. If people learned to put time into their larger achievements there would be less of a rush to get out there and farm them. Of course, then those that just use the unlocker programs become vastly more unfair. Long story short, people love challenges. Just look at WoW, or the other MMO's.. People sit on there for months just to get to a level they can use their armor, or whatever. I don't waste my time with MMO's but it's just basic human instinct that if a great deal of time is put into something then the reward is more appreciated and equally revered by those that are in the process of acquiring it or interested in meeting the achievement themselves. I'm not saying it should take TONS of time to unlock something, but it would be nice for the unlocking process to require all the achievements be done before the last unlockable is given.. Also, it would help for the achievement actions to be more server-side, and less client-side so it wouldn't be so easy for people to cheat their way through with an unlocker program. Maybe some type of verifiable bit framework would be helpful, and to check/sync the achievement database everytime the client connects so if their achievements were not in the database, they wouldn't get their weapon unlocks. inb4 you know this is valve we're talking about. -Matt On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Rick Payton r...@mai-hawaii.com wrote: I'm in the untie weapon unlocks from achievements camp myself - that would definitely end the fighting on the list from the past few days. -mauirixxx - Sent from my #hlserveradmins IRC fanboyism -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:57 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Moving on Maybe a better system would be to let the player decide. For instance...have an optional interface. If they change it to giving all weapons without achievements, it will give them all the weapons and the achievements could be for a more fun purpose. Or for the players that like getting achievements, they could have the option of disabling the weapons until they get enough achievements for the actual milestones. Honestly either way people are going to get the weapons, whether they cheat and farm them or not...so why not let the player decide what they want to do? On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: IMO, they should just do away with the unlockables and make the new weapons available. Everybody gets them anyway, one way or another, so it's a little pointless. All you end up with is a corrupt achievements system where the majority of players farmed the achievements, solely to get the unlocks. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake Skenna Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:55 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Moving on I like getting them too, but the way the game has turned with people banning because of achievements or people downloading programs to get achievements is sort of ridiculous. I used to have the opposite opinion, but after the fourth class update I wish they would just remove unlockables and make them available from the start now. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM, matan nov tanktun...@gmail.com wrote: I like doing achievements (not grinding or using plugins and such, working towards them) to get the weapons, the big scout/heavy/medic/pyro/etc boom only lasts a few days and everything goes back to normal, plus an extra scout or two per team for the next few weeks, not that terrible. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Brent Veal naslund.fan...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that having the new weapons available right away does make sense. Less grinding is better, and the overload of one class would end sooner. Not to mention that new players would no longer be alienated by not having all the different weapons to try out right away. Although that's just my opinion.
Re: [hlds] Moving on
Agreed - untie the weps from the achievements and maybe tie achievements in with a ranking/kudos type system using an advanced algorithm to determine the probable rate at which they are gained... just thinking aloud. I'd rather have the weps than kudos tho. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] [TF2] Rcon / SM Command to show players CLASS
HLSW will show you what team they are on, spectator included.. But I don't know if there is any way to see what class they are. -Matt On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Ryan Mannion floormas...@gmail.com wrote: The information is logged, but I don't believe there's a way to access it through the console. You can rig up an SM plugin to do it using GetClientTeam(clientIndex), where 1 = clientIndex = GetMaxClients() and IsClientInGame(clientIndex). Note that RED = 2 and BLU = 3. Unknown/Spectator are 0/1. Ryan On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Chris Oryschak ch...@oryschak.com wrote: Is there an rcon command or even a sourcemod plugin that I can use to query the server and see what class they are -- specifically I want to know if they are spectator or not. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] What's the word on people being unable to use some unlocks?
We've got some players who are unable to use unlocks on our server but have no problems on others. I swear I saw this talked about in the last couple days, but with all the noise about achievements I can't find it. Dustin ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] What's the word on people being unable to use some unlocks?
I had this issue with my unlocks, but restarting steam/TF2 fixed it. I haven't noticed a server-wide issue, though i do know if the server loses its steam connection it sometimes needs a full reboot to reclaim it - Neph On 02/27/2009 05:01 PM, Dustin Wyatt wrote: We've got some players who are unable to use unlocks on our server but have no problems on others. I swear I saw this talked about in the last couple days, but with all the noise about achievements I can't find it. Dustin ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] What's the word on people being unable to use some unlocks?
we had that issue.. after the little update valve did it was resolve i suppose that was due to the servers being restarted Nephyrin Zey wrote: I had this issue with my unlocks, but restarting steam/TF2 fixed it. I haven't noticed a server-wide issue, though i do know if the server loses its steam connection it sometimes needs a full reboot to reclaim it - Neph On 02/27/2009 05:01 PM, Dustin Wyatt wrote: We've got some players who are unable to use unlocks on our server but have no problems on others. I swear I saw this talked about in the last couple days, but with all the noise about achievements I can't find it. Dustin ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] What's the word on people being unable to use some unlocks?
It seems Valve increased the milestones by two achievements. :S On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.netwrote: I had this issue with my unlocks, but restarting steam/TF2 fixed it. I haven't noticed a server-wide issue, though i do know if the server loses its steam connection it sometimes needs a full reboot to reclaim it - Neph On 02/27/2009 05:01 PM, Dustin Wyatt wrote: We've got some players who are unable to use unlocks on our server but have no problems on others. I swear I saw this talked about in the last couple days, but with all the noise about achievements I can't find it. Dustin ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] What's the word on people being unable to use some unlocks?
I've noticed on some servers I can't use the unlocks. I'll have them when I first join, but as soon as I die and respawn, all unlocks dont work. But again, it's only on certain servers. I dont know if a simple restart of TF2 fixes it, as I usually just leave and find a new server and it fixes itself. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.netwrote: I had this issue with my unlocks, but restarting steam/TF2 fixed it. I haven't noticed a server-wide issue, though i do know if the server loses its steam connection it sometimes needs a full reboot to reclaim it - Neph On 02/27/2009 05:01 PM, Dustin Wyatt wrote: We've got some players who are unable to use unlocks on our server but have no problems on others. I swear I saw this talked about in the last couple days, but with all the noise about achievements I can't find it. Dustin ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Moving on
All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] What's the word on people being unable to use some unlocks?
Looks like a server restart fixed it for me. I would normally just do that before posting here, but the server was full... On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Brent Veal naslund.fan...@gmail.comwrote: I've noticed on some servers I can't use the unlocks. I'll have them when I first join, but as soon as I die and respawn, all unlocks dont work. But again, it's only on certain servers. I dont know if a simple restart of TF2 fixes it, as I usually just leave and find a new server and it fixes itself. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.net wrote: I had this issue with my unlocks, but restarting steam/TF2 fixed it. I haven't noticed a server-wide issue, though i do know if the server loses its steam connection it sometimes needs a full reboot to reclaim it - Neph On 02/27/2009 05:01 PM, Dustin Wyatt wrote: We've got some players who are unable to use unlocks on our server but have no problems on others. I swear I saw this talked about in the last couple days, but with all the noise about achievements I can't find it. Dustin ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Moving on
Checkout my thread: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/private/hlds/2009-February/056946.html -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of snakedogipa Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:46 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Moving on Anyone having issues with server crashes after scout update? All my servers are having the issue. Some with mods some without. Patrick Shelley wrote: Agreed - untie the weps from the achievements and maybe tie achievements in with a ranking/kudos type system using an advanced algorithm to determine the probable rate at which they are gained... just thinking aloud. I'd rather have the weps than kudos tho. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Moving on
I reall do like Cc2iscool's idea. It is common ground for people on both sides of the argument to come together on On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a better system would be to let the player decide. For instance...have an optional interface. If they change it to giving all weapons without achievements, it will give them all the weapons and the achievements could be for a more fun purpose. Or for the players that like getting achievements, they could have the option of disabling the weapons until they get enough achievements for the actual milestones. Honestly either way people are going to get the weapons, whether they cheat and farm them or not...so why not let the player decide what they want to do? On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: IMO, they should just do away with the unlockables and make the new weapons available. Everybody gets them anyway, one way or another, so it's a little pointless. All you end up with is a corrupt achievements system where the majority of players farmed the achievements, solely to get the unlocks. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake Skenna Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:55 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Moving on I like getting them too, but the way the game has turned with people banning because of achievements or people downloading programs to get achievements is sort of ridiculous. I used to have the opposite opinion, but after the fourth class update I wish they would just remove unlockables and make them available from the start now. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM, matan nov tanktun...@gmail.com wrote: I like doing achievements (not grinding or using plugins and such, working towards them) to get the weapons, the big scout/heavy/medic/pyro/etc boom only lasts a few days and everything goes back to normal, plus an extra scout or two per team for the next few weeks, not that terrible. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Brent Veal naslund.fan...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that having the new weapons available right away does make sense. Less grinding is better, and the overload of one class would end sooner. Not to mention that new players would no longer be alienated by not having all the different weapons to try out right away. Although that's just my opinion. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: As we have all seen the Achievements locked to weapons is a bit divisive in the community. I personally would like to see a split from this to you get the weapons straight out plus you have a nice amount of achievements that actually mean something other than Ive got to get these to get those weapons. I play DODS this game has 50 or so achievements that are not tied to weapons, imho its more fun and means more to get these achievements. Takes less of the pressure off to be able to compete with every one else. If we moved away from the unlockables and to just achievements and weapons, we would also kill the farming servers, the unlocker, moronic plugins, and would also cut down on all 1 class all the time as seen in every previous update. I feel that now is the right time to have a serious discussion on the matter in light of F7 clans honey pot plugin and the drama its caused. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list
Re: [hlds] Moving on
I totally agree with this. I personally love playing the game on occasion and slowly earning the achievements, then being rewarded with a new toy, so I would be happiest if that wasn't taken away. People who choose not to do that and hack or farm to get the achievements don't bother me. I find them ridiculously impatient, but that's their problem. Give us a little checkbox for enabling the weapons regardless of achievements, and I believe everyone will be happy. Cc2iscooL wrote: Maybe a better system would be to let the player decide. For instance...have an optional interface. If they change it to giving all weapons without achievements, it will give them all the weapons and the achievements could be for a more fun purpose. Or for the players that like getting achievements, they could have the option of disabling the weapons until they get enough achievements for the actual milestones. Honestly either way people are going to get the weapons, whether they cheat and farm them or not...so why not let the player decide what they want to do? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] What's the word on people being unable to use some unlocks?
I had the unlocks, and Steam Friends went down, then came back. I wanted to change back to the normal weapons, and this just wouldn't work. I clicked equip like 10 times for every weapon, and it would just stay on the unlockable weapon. I guess every time steam friends goes down, you need to restart steam to change your unlocks :/ 2009/2/28 Dustin Wyatt dustin.wy...@gmail.com Looks like a server restart fixed it for me. I would normally just do that before posting here, but the server was full... On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Brent Veal naslund.fan...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed on some servers I can't use the unlocks. I'll have them when I first join, but as soon as I die and respawn, all unlocks dont work. But again, it's only on certain servers. I dont know if a simple restart of TF2 fixes it, as I usually just leave and find a new server and it fixes itself. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Nephyrin Zey nephy...@doublezen.net wrote: I had this issue with my unlocks, but restarting steam/TF2 fixed it. I haven't noticed a server-wide issue, though i do know if the server loses its steam connection it sometimes needs a full reboot to reclaim it - Neph On 02/27/2009 05:01 PM, Dustin Wyatt wrote: We've got some players who are unable to use unlocks on our server but have no problems on others. I swear I saw this talked about in the last couple days, but with all the noise about achievements I can't find it. Dustin ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
