Re: IOCDS - Default Profile

2013-01-24 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2013-01-25 05:34, Jake anderson pisze:

Dear All,

I know this could be a very basic or repetitive question, but I am unable
to find any Clue. Here We are playing around with our Z800 machine(Now used
only for Testing Purpose), We are adding another LPAR to the IODF. So the
currently the scenario is our Reset Profile is "DFLTEST". Now we want make
another Profile "MTLTEST" as the Default reset profile, so that it invokes
the newly added Image.

Could someone please guide me the way to modify "MTLTEST" as the Default
Reset profile ?

Any direction or suggestion would be really great.


Assign button. The profile should be "Assinged for activation".
Open profile list, choose the profile, select Customize.


BTW: Another Reset profile is tricky. You want to have DFLTEST with - 
let's say 3 LPARs and MTLTEST with those 3 LPARs + another one.
Assuming your 3 LPARs consume all available memory, in order to activate 
fourth LPAR you need to change memory assignments. THE CHANGE WILL 
AFFECT DLFTEST ALSO! Reason: LPAR settings are recorded in LPAR profile 
and there is only one LPAR profile per LPAR name. So THE SAME LPAR 
profile will be used in DLFTEST and MTLTEST.

Workaround: MTLTEST should use completely new names for all 4 LPARs.



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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Kees Vernooij kindly wrote:

>>Yup. About windoze, try removing your USB stick while something is writing on 
>>it. Safety of contents on that stick is NOT guaranteed. Or do a CD/DVD >eject 
>>while doing a pirate copy of something... BTDT. ;-D 
 
>If you compare, compare equal situations: I don't think z/OS will do better if 
>you pull out the only channel to a device it is writing to... 
 
Agreed. I always wanted to see one doing that stunt [1], just to see what z/OS 
will do [MIH and abends for example], or more specifically, what will that 
drive's controller and its cache will do with those orphaned blocks.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

[1] - One of our operator pushed by accident a trolley full of 3480 cartridges 
over some ESCON optic cables. It was while we were installing ESCON and getting 
those copper wires out. Some of thes cables were 'live' and others were waiting 
to be connected. Luckily only those cables waiting to be connected, were 
damaged, while the 'live' ones were very dangerously lied nearby!! 

We had to fly in new cables while the op was 'enjoying' the 'Red Carpet' before 
the top brass... Ouch-ouch-ouch...

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Thanks to all who replied, I know now what to use as search args, so I retried 
my searches on my favourite toy.

This is what I found in a very ancient proclib (Recalled=browsed=migrated - 
hard work just to see one stupid line :-D)

 BROWSE.PROCLIB.backup(X)
 Command ===>   

//S1  EXEC  PGM=IEFBR14 


My operators are indeed just as lazy like my users with their passwords. 
minimum hand movements... ;-)

As shipped by that big blue one (z/OS v1.12):

 BROWSE..PROCLIB(DEALLOC)   Command ===>
  
* Top of Data *
//DEALLOC EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 
//DUMMY1  DD   DUMMY   
//* THIS PROCEDURE IS ACTIVATED BY A 'START DEALLOC' COMMAND TO
//* EXECUTE IEFBR14 CAUSING ALLOCATION TO DEALLOCATE A 
//* DEVICE SPECIFIED ON A PREVIOUS 'VARY OFFLINE' COMMAND. 

Thanks again to all, my curiousity has been cured. ;-D

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Ed Gould
I think this issue was that allocation needed to be driven. With TSO  
active on the system it was almost never an issue but I think in MSS  
days there was an issue of demounting the MSS volumes (we got LONG Q4  
backup ups) they (IBM) rewrote parts of alloc/dealloc because of MSS  
and if I recall correctly because of our issues (many IPL's) so what  
was happening then is not equilivent now days.


Ed

On Jan 24, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Alan Field wrote:


I seem to recall a S DEALLOC command issued from the console (console
being a modified SELECTRIC typewriter)

and

//DEALLOC PROC
//S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14

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From:   "Elardus Engelbrecht" 
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Date:   01/24/2013 08:42
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Paul Gilmartin wrote:

Remember the Bad Old Days when the operator needed to submit a  
dummy job
to make a device actually go offline?  (Or does it still work that  
way?)


Geez, your memory is better than my decaying memory! Can you e-mail  
some

[unused?] braincells to me? ;-D

I only see [seldom] those MOUNT and UNLOAD commands, but it is  
gazillion

years ago that I see that dummy job. I have searched NOW my RACF DB,
procs, etc. Nothing there...

Question: what was the PGM and parms used in that dummy job?

Just curious of course!

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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IOCDS - Default Profile

2013-01-24 Thread Jake anderson
Dear All,

I know this could be a very basic or repetitive question, but I am unable
to find any Clue. Here We are playing around with our Z800 machine(Now used
only for Testing Purpose), We are adding another LPAR to the IODF. So the
currently the scenario is our Reset Profile is "DFLTEST". Now we want make
another Profile "MTLTEST" as the Default reset profile, so that it invokes
the newly added Image.

Could someone please guide me the way to modify "MTLTEST" as the Default
Reset profile ?

Any direction or suggestion would be really great.

Jake

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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 15:20 -0600 on 01/24/2013, Joel C. Ewing wrote about Re: 
DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS:



I've never considered trying to recover KSDS records from just the DATA
component from a physical volume dump, but if this was a KSDS with INDEX
on a different volume that could be the case you face. If it can be done
by faking it as an ESDS, at best you could only recover the data records
in physical CI order, not key order, as any CI splits and CA splits in
the original KSDS would render the logical ordering of the CI's unknown
without the corresponding INDEX CI's.
 JC Ewing


Try allocating a new KSDS and doing a copy of the recovered DATA 
component (faked as an ESDS) into it. This will recreate the INDEX on 
the fly as you read the records (even though they are out of order) 
since you are adding the records to the KSDS not creating it from a 
sorted file.


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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Mike Schwab
If it is a physical dump, is there a way to search for matching VTOC
entries on the tape?

Or could a SPHERE keyword get all associated VSAM files?

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Joel C. Ewing  wrote:
> If the original problem was that the dataset was inadvertently deleted, then
> you would have lost the catalog and VVDS entries as well.  But if you know
> the approximate time of deletion and have SMF records from that period, you
> could use freeware DAF (Dataset Audit Facility) from Michael Cleary
> https://sites.google.com/site/michaeljosephcleary/home/freeware
> to scan SMF records and see if an INDEX component was deleted at the same
> time and what volume(s) it was on.
>
> If all you have is a physical volume DUMP as stated, dss TYPRUN=NORUN would
> probably be unable to provide any CLUSTER association info, and the INDEX
> component might be on another volume and not even in the same dump.  Short
> of lfinding both DATA and INDEX components in the same dump, recognizing you
> had a KSDS would be difficult without either the old catalog entry or the
> original IDCAMS DEFINE statement.
>
> One requirement we had was that every production (and test counterpart) VSAM
> dataset had to have a corresponding member in a "known" PDS that gave the
> IDCAMS statements for redefining the data set (and any alternate indices),
> so that in-house utilities could reorganize the file if necessary, or so you
> would at least have some place to start in event of dataset loss and there
> would be no question about the data set attributes.
>
> I've never considered trying to recover KSDS records from just the DATA
> component from a physical volume dump, but if this was a KSDS with INDEX on
> a different volume that could be the case you face. If it can be done by
> faking it as an ESDS, at best you could only recover the data records in
> physical CI order, not key order, as any CI splits and CA splits in the
> original KSDS would render the logical ordering of the CI's unknown without
> the corresponding INDEX CI's.
> JC Ewing
>
> On 01/24/2013 12:39 PM, willie bunter wrote:
>>
>> Boris,
>>   Thanks for the valuable information.   One last question.  With the
>> problem I encountered, since the dataset was restored from a physical DFDSS
>> backup, only the DATA component was restored. I tried the LISTCAT of the
>> .DATA component and since there was no cluster the LISTCAT was unsuccessful.
>> In this case, how would I be able to tell what type of VSAM dsn it is?
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Boris Lenz 
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:00:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS
>>
>>
>> On Thu, January 24, 2013 18:25, willie bunter wrote:
>>>
>>> I checked the LISTCAT however I didn't see anything.  Any suggestions?
>>
>> Examine the output of LISTCAT ENT(/) ALL.
>>
>> KSDS:
>> - has DATA+INDEX ASSOCIATIONS in the CLUSTER section.
>> - has an INDEXED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.
>>
>> VRRDS:
>> - has DATA+INDEX ASSOCIATIONS in the CLUSTER section.
>> - has a NUMBERED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.
>>
>> ESDS:
>> - has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
>> - has a NONINDEXED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.
>>
>> LDS:
>> - has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
>> - has a LINEAR ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.
>>
>> RRDS:
>> - has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
>> - has a NUMBERED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Boris
>>
>>
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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Joel C. Ewing
If the original problem was that the dataset was inadvertently deleted, 
then you would have lost the catalog and VVDS entries as well.  But if 
you know the approximate time of deletion and have SMF records from that 
period, you could use freeware DAF (Dataset Audit Facility) from Michael 
Cleary

https://sites.google.com/site/michaeljosephcleary/home/freeware
to scan SMF records and see if an INDEX component was deleted at the 
same time and what volume(s) it was on.


If all you have is a physical volume DUMP as stated, dss TYPRUN=NORUN 
would probably be unable to provide any CLUSTER association info, and 
the INDEX component might be on another volume and not even in the same 
dump.  Short of lfinding both DATA and INDEX components in the same 
dump, recognizing you had a KSDS would be difficult without either the 
old catalog entry or the original IDCAMS DEFINE statement.


One requirement we had was that every production (and test counterpart) 
VSAM dataset had to have a corresponding member in a "known" PDS that 
gave the IDCAMS statements for redefining the data set (and any 
alternate indices), so that in-house utilities could reorganize the file 
if necessary, or so you would at least have some place to start in event 
of dataset loss and there would be no question about the data set 
attributes.


I've never considered trying to recover KSDS records from just the DATA 
component from a physical volume dump, but if this was a KSDS with INDEX 
on a different volume that could be the case you face. If it can be done 
by faking it as an ESDS, at best you could only recover the data records 
in physical CI order, not key order, as any CI splits and CA splits in 
the original KSDS would render the logical ordering of the CI's unknown 
without the corresponding INDEX CI's.

JC Ewing

On 01/24/2013 12:39 PM, willie bunter wrote:

Boris,
  
Thanks for the valuable information.   One last question.  With the problem I encountered, since the dataset was restored from a physical DFDSS  backup, only the DATA component was restored. I tried the LISTCAT of the .DATA component and since there was no cluster the LISTCAT was unsuccessful.  In this case, how would I be able to tell what type of VSAM dsn it is?




From: Boris Lenz 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:00:54 PM
Subject: Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

On Thu, January 24, 2013 18:25, willie bunter wrote:

I checked the LISTCAT however I didn't see anything.  Any suggestions?

Examine the output of LISTCAT ENT(/) ALL.

KSDS:
- has DATA+INDEX ASSOCIATIONS in the CLUSTER section.
- has an INDEXED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

VRRDS:
- has DATA+INDEX ASSOCIATIONS in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NUMBERED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

ESDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NONINDEXED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

LDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a LINEAR ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

RRDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NUMBERED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

Regards,
Boris



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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-01-24 13:06, Bill Fairchild wrote:
> I remember using "S X" a long time ago myself.  There was no proclib member 
> named X, the member would not be found, but allocation was driven away so the 
> device went offline.  This all worked fine until someone put a real member 
> into SYS1.PROCLIB named "X" to do something special, not knowing what the 
> operators were doing.  Then surprising results happened.  It's better to used 
> the official method, namely "S DEALLOC".
>  
Or create an alias?

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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Ed Finnell
Yeah, I found it easier in the long run to Restore with Rename
and figure it out from there. Hardest one I ever saw was a multi-volume  
with 5 AIXes spread all over the place.
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2013 2:57:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
darth.kel...@assurant.com writes:

I could  match up the day the backup was created against 
that day's DCOLLECT &  pull the information there.  There are other ways & 
tools you can  use to collect historical  data.


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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Darth Keller
Another option I have available to me is we run a daily DCOLLECT against 
all the volumes.  I could match up the day the backup was created against 
that day's DCOLLECT & pull the information there.  There are other ways & 
tools you can use to collect historical data.
ddk 

-

So maybe I'm totally off-base here, but it seems to me like the original 
request is that he wanted to know from the tape what kind of VSAM files 
were on the backup.


I ran with my Restore with PARM='TYPERUN=NORUN'   and  got this from the 
output.  Granted it's not fool proof.  You can pick out the KSDS, the 
other 2 happen to be SMS datasets, so I know that they are LDS's -  but as 

to RRDS, ESDS, etc

Hope that helps a little - ddk


ADR780I (001)-TDDS (01), THE INPUT DUMP DATA SET BEING PROCESSED IS IN 
LOGICAL
 1 RELEASE 13 MODIFICATION LEVEL 0 ON 2013.024 
14:45:2
ADR760W (001)-FDSRL(01), DATA SET DMPRD.ACDS00.ACDS FROM CATALOG 
CATALOG.TECH.
ADR489I (001)-TDLOG(02), CLUSTER DK85359.ACDS00.ACDS WAS SELECTED 
  CATALOGUCAT.TSO.D 
  COMPONENT  DK85359.ACDS00.ACDS.DATA 
ADR760W (001)-FDSRL(01), DATA SET DMPRD.BCOTS1.SCDS11.SCDS FROM CATALOG 
CATALO
 SPECIFIED 
ADR489I (001)-TDLOG(02), CLUSTER DK85359.BCOTS1.SCDS11.SCDS WAS SELECTED 

  CATALOGUCAT.TSO.D 
  COMPONENT  DK85359.BCOTS1.SCDS11.SCDS.DATA 

ADR760W (001)-FDSRL(01), DATA SET DMPRD.BCOTS1.TEST.CL FROM CATALOG 
CATALOG.TE
ADR489I (001)-TDLOG(02), CLUSTER DK85359.BCOTS1.TEST.CL WAS SELECTED 
  CATALOGUCAT.TSO.D 
  COMPONENT  DK85359.BCOTS1.TEST.CL.DATA 
  COMPONENT  DK85359.BCOTS1.TEST.CL.INDEX 

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:57:38 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:

>Even if it is copyrighted, it is an example expressly designated as a
>sample to be modified and shared.
> 
That makes sense.  Is there a publication where I can find this?
In writing?  IBM publication?  Or is this part of copyright law,
covered by the doctrine of Fair Use?

Thanks,
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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Darth Keller
So maybe I'm totally off-base here, but it seems to me like the original 
request is that he wanted to know from the tape what kind of VSAM files 
were on the backup.


I ran with my Restore with PARM='TYPERUN=NORUN'   and  got this from the 
output.  Granted it's not fool proof.  You can pick out the KSDS, the 
other 2 happen to be SMS datasets, so I know that they are LDS's -  but as 
to RRDS, ESDS, etc

Hope that helps a little - ddk


ADR780I (001)-TDDS (01), THE INPUT DUMP DATA SET BEING PROCESSED IS IN 
LOGICAL
 1 RELEASE 13 MODIFICATION LEVEL 0 ON 2013.024 
14:45:2
ADR760W (001)-FDSRL(01), DATA SET DMPRD.ACDS00.ACDS FROM CATALOG 
CATALOG.TECH.
ADR489I (001)-TDLOG(02), CLUSTER DK85359.ACDS00.ACDS WAS SELECTED  
  CATALOGUCAT.TSO.D  
  COMPONENT  DK85359.ACDS00.ACDS.DATA  
ADR760W (001)-FDSRL(01), DATA SET DMPRD.BCOTS1.SCDS11.SCDS FROM CATALOG 
CATALO
 SPECIFIED  
ADR489I (001)-TDLOG(02), CLUSTER DK85359.BCOTS1.SCDS11.SCDS WAS SELECTED   

  CATALOGUCAT.TSO.D  
  COMPONENT  DK85359.BCOTS1.SCDS11.SCDS.DATA   

ADR760W (001)-FDSRL(01), DATA SET DMPRD.BCOTS1.TEST.CL FROM CATALOG 
CATALOG.TE
ADR489I (001)-TDLOG(02), CLUSTER DK85359.BCOTS1.TEST.CL WAS SELECTED  
  CATALOGUCAT.TSO.D  
  COMPONENT  DK85359.BCOTS1.TEST.CL.DATA  
  COMPONENT  DK85359.BCOTS1.TEST.CL.INDEX  

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Don Williams
IEFBR14

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Elardus Engelbrecht
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:42 AM
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Subject: Re: Varying off path while it is in use

Paul Gilmartin wrote:

>Remember the Bad Old Days when the operator needed to submit a dummy job to 
>make a device actually go offline?  (Or does it still work that way?)  

Geez, your memory is better than my decaying memory! Can you e-mail some 
[unused?] braincells to me? ;-D

I only see [seldom] those MOUNT and UNLOAD commands, but it is gazillion years 
ago that I see that dummy job. I have searched NOW my RACF DB, procs, etc. 
Nothing there...

Question: what was the PGM and parms used in that dummy job?

Just curious of course!

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Password (was: slightly O/T but interesting)

2013-01-24 Thread Art Gutowski
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:31:31 -0600, John McKown  
wrote:

>I can top that. On the Windows side a person called in because they
>forgot their Windows login id (not password). At that time it was
>first initial plus last name. How could they have forgotten who they
>were, but remember where they worked?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvn-tBeLpCk

"You forgot your name?"
"I been busy!"

Regards,
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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2013-01-24 18:25, willie bunter pisze:

Good Day All,

Is there a way to differentiate or knowing what type of VSAM file it
is.  I had a problem earlier trying to RECATALOG the cluster (the dsn
was restored from a physical DFDSS backup)  and finally I was able to
do so because I used parm NONINDEXED.  Besides trial and error is
there a way of doing this?

I checked the LISTCAT however I didn't see anything.  Any
suggestions?


Wild suggestion: forget about LISTCAT, because it would list the 
attribute (INDEXED, etc.) from catalog (BCS) entry (*), but the entry 
does not exist.

Try to look at VVDS - the component is described in that structure.

(*) in regular case LISTCAT reads information from both BCS and VVDS 
entries. In this case we have no BCS entry.



BTW: Where the VVDS is documented? I *don't* mean brief description in 
"Managing Catalogs".

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Fairchild
I remember using "S X" a long time ago myself.  There was no proclib member 
named X, the member would not be found, but allocation was driven away so the 
device went offline.  This all worked fine until someone put a real member into 
SYS1.PROCLIB named "X" to do something special, not knowing what the operators 
were doing.  Then surprising results happened.  It's better to used the 
official method, namely "S DEALLOC".

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The behavior has changed. Used to be in MVT and early MVS that something needed 
to drive allocation to take a device offline.
I personally have *never* used DEALLOC. Just a simple 'S X'  (with no proc 
behind it) from the console was sufficient.



>It is still shipped in SYS1.PROCLIB(DEALLOC). 
>
Of course.  Someone's JCL proc or MGCR might depend on it.

And no DD statement.  I remembered wrong.

And no IBM copyright notice.  Does that mean you could post it here, or is it 
copyright regardless of notice?

But the one I see has been customized locally to add accounting information to 
the JOB statement.  (The account number is obsolete by two corporate 
acquisitions and more.)

Did the behavior of VARY really change, or is it just that on a contemporary 
z/OS system the mean time between allocations is imperceptibly short?


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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:15:26 -0500, Gerhard Postpischil  
wrote:

>On 1/24/2013 12:45 PM, Staller, Allan wrote:
>> The behavior has changed. Used to be in MVT and early MVS that something 
>> needed to drive allocation to take a device offline.
>> I personally have *never* used DEALLOC. Just a simple 'S X'  (with no proc 
>> behind it) from the console was sufficient.
>
>
>Under OS/360 a 'S X' command without any proc was sufficient. MVS came
>with a DEALLOC proc, consisting of an IEFBR14 and comments cards
>explaining the use. I routinely assigned X as an alias to it.
>
>

De facto standard.  I think every shop I ever worked in had a copy of
DEALLOC named "X" so operators could just use "S X".   In Allan's
case, it was probably also true.   I don't know if starting a non existent
PROC (which would generate a JCL error) would do anything.  Can't
go back and test it now - but someone should be able to.  There
are lots of pre z/OS 1.7 systems floating around out there still,
including ones running on Herc.

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Gerhard Postpischil

On 1/24/2013 12:45 PM, Staller, Allan wrote:

The behavior has changed. Used to be in MVT and early MVS that something needed 
to drive allocation to take a device offline.
I personally have *never* used DEALLOC. Just a simple 'S X'  (with no proc 
behind it) from the console was sufficient.



Under OS/360 a 'S X' command without any proc was sufficient. MVS came 
with a DEALLOC proc, consisting of an IEFBR14 and comments cards 
explaining the use. I routinely assigned X as an alias to it.



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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Grinsell, Don
Do you have a backup of the appropriate catalog from the same time period?  
That should have the information you are looking for.

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Boris,
 
Thanks for the valuable information.   One last question.  With the problem I 
encountered, since the dataset was restored from a physical DFDSS  backup, only 
the DATA component was restored. I tried the LISTCAT of the .DATA component and 
since there was no cluster the LISTCAT was unsuccessful.  In this case, how 
would I be able to tell what type of VSAM dsn it is?



From: Boris Lenz 
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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:00:54 PM
Subject: Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

On Thu, January 24, 2013 18:25, willie bunter wrote:
> I checked the LISTCAT however I didn't see anything.  Any suggestions?

Examine the output of LISTCAT ENT(/) ALL.

KSDS:
- has DATA+INDEX ASSOCIATIONS in the CLUSTER section.
- has an INDEXED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

VRRDS:
- has DATA+INDEX ASSOCIATIONS in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NUMBERED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

ESDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NONINDEXED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

LDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a LINEAR ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

RRDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NUMBERED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

Regards,
Boris

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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread willie bunter
Boris,
 
Thanks for the valuable information.   One last question.  With the problem I 
encountered, since the dataset was restored from a physical DFDSS  backup, only 
the DATA component was restored. I tried the LISTCAT of the .DATA component and 
since there was no cluster the LISTCAT was unsuccessful.  In this case, how 
would I be able to tell what type of VSAM dsn it is?



From: Boris Lenz 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:00:54 PM
Subject: Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

On Thu, January 24, 2013 18:25, willie bunter wrote:
> I checked the LISTCAT however I didn't see anything.  Any suggestions?

Examine the output of LISTCAT ENT(/) ALL.

KSDS:
- has DATA+INDEX ASSOCIATIONS in the CLUSTER section.
- has an INDEXED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

VRRDS:
- has DATA+INDEX ASSOCIATIONS in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NUMBERED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

ESDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NONINDEXED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

LDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a LINEAR ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

RRDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NUMBERED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

Regards,
Boris

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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Mike Schwab
These suggestions work if you did a query before it was deleted.

Anything on the backup tape to indicate which one it is?

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> Subject:DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS
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> Good Day All,
>
> Is there a way to differentiate or knowing what type of VSAM file it is.
> I had a problem earlier trying to RECATALOG the cluster (the dsn was
> restored from a physical DFDSS backup)  and finally I was able to do so
> because I used parm NONINDEXED.  Besides trial and error is there a way of
> doing this?
>
> I checked the LISTCAT however I didn't see anything.  Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Sri h Kolusu
Check Section B.2.3 Attributes group to differentiate the VSAM clusters in 
below link which talks about Interpreting LISTCAT Output Listings.

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DGT2I2A0/B.0?

The keywords you would be interested are 

INDEXED--The data component has an index; it is key-sequenced aka KSDS.
LINEAR--The cluster is a linear data set aka LDS
NONINDEXED--The data component has no index; it is entry-sequenced aka 
ESDS.
NUMBERED--The cluster is a relative record data set aka RRDS.
 
Sri

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> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, 
> Date: 01/24/2013 09:29 AM
> Subject: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS
> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> 
> Good Day All,
>  
> Is there a way to differentiate or knowing what type of VSAM file it
> is.  I had a problem earlier trying to RECATALOG the cluster (the 
> dsn was restored from a physical DFDSS backup)  and finally I was 
> able to do so because I used parm NONINDEXED.  Besides trial and 
> error is there a way of doing this?
>  
> I checked the LISTCAT however I didn't see anything.  Any suggestions?
>  
> Thanks
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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Boris Lenz
On Thu, January 24, 2013 18:25, willie bunter wrote:
> I checked the LISTCAT however I didn't see anything.  Any suggestions?

Examine the output of LISTCAT ENT(/) ALL.

KSDS:
- has DATA+INDEX ASSOCIATIONS in the CLUSTER section.
- has an INDEXED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

VRRDS:
- has DATA+INDEX ASSOCIATIONS in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NUMBERED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

ESDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NONINDEXED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

LDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a LINEAR ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

RRDS:
- has only a DATA ASSOCIATION in the CLUSTER section.
- has a NUMBERED ATTRIBUTE in the DATA section.

Regards,
Boris

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Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Oczak
The Organization field in Fileaid will display this information for you. 
Use the VSAM Utility which for me is option 3.5. 

Bill Oczak 
Assurant Inc.



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Subject:DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS
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Good Day All,
 
Is there a way to differentiate or knowing what type of VSAM file it is.  
I had a problem earlier trying to RECATALOG the cluster (the dsn was 
restored from a physical DFDSS backup)  and finally I was able to do so 
because I used parm NONINDEXED.  Besides trial and error is there a way of 
doing this?
 
I checked the LISTCAT however I didn't see anything.  Any suggestions?
 
Thanks

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Mike Schwab
Even if it is copyrighted, it is an example expressly designated as a
sample to be modified and shared.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Paul Gilmartin  wrote:

> And no IBM copyright notice.  Does that mean you could post it
> here, or is it copyright regardless of notice?


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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Staller, Allan
The behavior has changed. Used to be in MVT and early MVS that something needed 
to drive allocation to take a device offline.
I personally have *never* used DEALLOC. Just a simple 'S X'  (with no proc 
behind it) from the console was sufficient.



>It is still shipped in SYS1.PROCLIB(DEALLOC). 
>
Of course.  Someone's JCL proc or MGCR might depend on it.

And no DD statement.  I remembered wrong.

And no IBM copyright notice.  Does that mean you could post it here, or is it 
copyright regardless of notice?

But the one I see has been customized locally to add accounting information to 
the JOB statement.  (The account number is obsolete by two corporate 
acquisitions and more.)

Did the behavior of VARY really change, or is it just that on a contemporary 
z/OS system the mean time between allocations is imperceptibly short?


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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:50:57 -0600, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote:

>It is still shipped in SYS1.PROCLIB(DEALLOC). 
>
Of course.  Someone's JCL proc or MGCR might depend on it.

And no DD statement.  I remembered wrong.

And no IBM copyright notice.  Does that mean you could post it
here, or is it copyright regardless of notice?

But the one I see has been customized locally to add accounting
information to the JOB statement.  (The account number is
obsolete by two corporate acquisitions and more.)

Did the behavior of VARY really change, or is it just that on a
contemporary z/OS system the mean time between allocations
is imperceptibly short?

-- gil

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Re: Coupling facility - Non Volatile performance

2013-01-24 Thread Skip Robinson
We've been doing parallel sysplex since 1995. I've never heard of any 
performance implication. It's all about structure placement: some 
exploiters insist on placing their structures in nonvolatile CFs. We've 
run 'nonvolatile' for so long that I forget the gritty details, but I'm 
pretty sure that in the olden days at least, JES2 was unhappy about a 
volatile environment for the checkpoint structure (if used) . 

So who actually decides if a CF is volatile or not? YOU do. It's a matter 
of assertion, not hardware budget. On the HMC, select a CF LPAR and open 
Operating System Messages. You can determine the current setting of this 
option with the command

   display mode 

You will see 'MODDE is {NON}VOLATILE'

If it shows VOLATILE, issue the command

   mode nonvolatile

Any application that queries CF volatility will now be told that the CF is 
nonvolatile. In our case, we have a robust UPS with multiple utility feeds 
(yes, we're a utility) and generator backup. We have never sprung for the 
internal battery option, but we don't lose sleep over it. Note that MODE 
setting applies to each CF LPAR, so you must perform these actions on all 
CF LPARs on all CECs. 

I suggest checking MODE via HMC as a good exercise, but OS 'DISPLAY CF' 
will also tell you if you need to take action. 

Like most CF options, MODE is retained across activations, e.g. POR. 
However, any time you get a new CEC or undergo serious modifications to an 
existing CEC, recheck and if necessary adjust the MODE. Same goes for 
DYNDISP, topic for different discussion. 

.
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From:   "Vernooij, CP - SPLXM" 
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Subject:Re: Coupling facility - Non Volatile performance
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Barbara,

I would have expected you to mention option 3. as first option. Or do I
really sense a careful positivism towards HCs from you in the last year
;-)?

I would add another option: set up you CFs and structures in such a way,
that you can stand CF failures. Many applications can survive a CF
failure by rebuilding the structure in the other CF, others can keep on
working with duplexing, either user- or system-managed. The same applies
to failure isolation.

Kees.


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> >Due to IBM  Health checker report we have to change mode of our
Coupling facility to non Volatile.. CF is running in a partition on CPC,
shared by 4 z/OS LPARs making it a sysplex. We are enabled for CICSPlex
, DB2 Data sharing, RACF Database Sharing, SMSPlex,  Catalog ECS etc
etc.. 
> >
> >Can someone point me in the right direction to measure performance
gain (due to change of CF Mode) , if any.
> >
> >We are RMF, SAS/MXG and BMC Performance assurance (aka Visualiser,
Best/1 ) site.
> >
> 
> A volatile coupling facility is one in which interruption of
the power supply causes loss of the memory contents. You can make the
coupling facility nonvolatile by adding to it an uninterruptible power
supply or you can use a battery backup, which uses internal batteries to
provide power during an outage.

We are talking about the XCF_CF_STR_NONVOLATILE check, right? Before
going to the expense of adding a battery or power supply (or - IIRC -
just fake it by setting the appropriate switch for the CF somewhere in
the HMC, which was possible in the past), read up carefully what the
health check says: It doesn't just talk about non-volatility. In essence
it talks about non-volatility *and* failure isolation. (Read up on both
in 'setting up a sysplex'.) Making the CF non-volatile will NOT make the
exception disappear as long as your CF runs on the same *hardware* as
any of the z/OSs that use this CF. 

You have the following chances of making this exception disappear:
1. Make sure that no z/OS that uses the CF is on the same hardware as
the CF (failure isolation) *and* provide the battery to that hardware
(non-volatility).
2. Buy a standalone CF (failure isolation) with the appropriate battery
(non-volatility).
3. Delete this health check and go on as before (just for completeness).

>From the top of my head, structures that would like to have a
non-volatile, failure-isolated CF are typically system logger
structures. Assuming that you configured them correctly, they will
already automatically be duplexing data written to the CF to staging
data sets. Which will give you the result you need: In case of power
failure to the hardware your z/OS runs on, there is a copy of the data
still available somewhere (in this case, staging data sets). You will
gain a small benefit in pe

Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
It is still shipped in SYS1.PROCLIB(DEALLOC). 

MA 


On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:41:53 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht 
 wrote:

>Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>>Remember the Bad Old Days when the operator needed to submit a dummy job to 
>>make a device actually go offline?  (Or does it still work that way?)  
>
>Geez, your memory is better than my decaying memory! Can you e-mail some 
>[unused?] braincells to me? ;-D
>
>I only see [seldom] those MOUNT and UNLOAD commands, but it is gazillion years 
>ago that I see that dummy job. I have searched NOW my RACF DB, procs, etc. 
>Nothing there...
>
>Question: what was the PGM and parms used in that dummy job?
>
>Just curious of course!
>
>Groete / Greetings
>Elardus Engelbrecht
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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:51:10 -0600, Alan Field wrote:

>I seem to recall a S DEALLOC command issued from the console (console
>being a modified SELECTRIC typewriter)
>
>and
>
>//DEALLOC PROC
>//S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
> 
I thought you needed a DD statement, also.

Was this because the allocation code was swappable?


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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 14:53

>Yup. About windoze, try removing your USB stick while something is writing on 
>it. Safety of contents on that stick is NOT guaranteed. Or do a CD/DVD >eject 
>while doing a pirate copy of something... BTDT. ;-D

>If you compare, compare equal situations: I don't think z/OS will do better if 
>you pull out the only channel to a device it is writing to...
 
Yup.  I was thinking, for reference, about a demountable disk pack.  Clearly 
the USB
socket needs a little claw to grasp the stick until it's logically unmounted.

"...do a CD/DVD >eject while..."  How?  Physically yank it out of the slot?  Or 
eject
it with Exploder?  OS X won't let you do that while files are open.  Can 
Windows be
so stupid?  I thought the mechanical eject button was disabled while the volume
was mounted.

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Re: HMC-SE Interoperability

2013-01-24 Thread R.S.

Update
I checked Technical Guides for EC12, z196 and z10.
z10 guide has no chapter about HMC
Both EC12 and z196 contain tables of compatibility SE to current (at the 
time of redbook writing) version of HMC.
The tables show that even z990 machines are supported. This is also my 
knowledge and my experience.


However I'm trying to connect SE 2.9.2 to HMC 2.10.2 and it's impossible.

"The target is not at the proper release level. The target is release 
level 2.9.2. The minimum release level for this operation is 2.10.1.	

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:54:21 -0600, John McKown  
wrote:

>I remember this too. I just tried a VARY dasdunit,OFFLINE on z/OS 1.12
>and it immediately went off line, with the message being issued.
>
>We had a started task called DEALLOC
>
>S DEALLOC
>
>it looked like:
>
>//DEALLOC EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
>
>All it did was cause a step start, which went through ALLOCATION,
>which is what seemed to drive the message.
>

Right, you no longer need to do this.  I should know when this change
happened, but a lot of allocation changes were made in phases over
at least a couple of OS releases.  That being said, I'm pretty sure
this change happened at z/OS 1.7 (which is perhaps why I am
fuzzy since the shop I was at skipped from 1.6 to 1.8).

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM


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John McKown wrote:

>The path is only needed while the SSCH is active (i.e. actual I/O is being 
>done). During this time, z/OS will not take the path offline. It will mark 
>>the path as pending offline and not use it for future I/O. Once the I/O is 
>complete, it will actually take the path offline. So, you should not need to 
>>worry. z/OS is a bit smarter than some of the other systems out their 
>(*cough* Windows *cough*).
>
>Yup. About windoze, try removing your USB stick while something is writing on 
>it. Safety of contents on that stick is NOT guaranteed. Or do a CD/DVD >eject 
>while doing a pirate copy of something... BTDT. ;-D

If you compare, compare equal situations: I don't think z/OS will do better if 
you pull out the only channel to a device it is writing to...

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Re: HMC-SE Interoperability

2013-01-24 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2013-01-24 15:51, Mark Zelden pisze:

On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:30:23 +0100, R.S.  wrote:


Where can I find information about supported HMC-SE code levels?
AFAIK, in the old days I could connect HMC 2.9 to SE 1.8, despite 2.9
was Linux-based and SE was OS/2 based.
Now I cannot connect HMC-SE 2.9 to 2.10 (and vice versa), because of
unsupported levels.


Do you have access to resource link and the hardware manuals for your
mainframe(s)?I haven't looked though all of them, but I would think
something should be in either the PR/SM manual, the HMC manuals
or the SE manuals.

Another place is the Technical Guide Redbook for your hardware
model.   For example, in the zEC12 Technical Guide chapter 12
(HMC & SE) contains information.


Mark,
I started from RTFM, actually HMC guide.
However I didn't browse the redbook, thank you for the hint.

BTW: HMC guide has no clue about supported system levels.

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread John McKown
I remember this too. I just tried a VARY dasdunit,OFFLINE on z/OS 1.12
and it immediately went off line, with the message being issued.

We had a started task called DEALLOC

S DEALLOC

it looked like:

//DEALLOC EXEC PGM=IEFBR14

All it did was cause a step start, which went through ALLOCATION,
which is what seemed to drive the message.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht
 wrote:
> Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>>Remember the Bad Old Days when the operator needed to submit a dummy job to 
>>make a device actually go offline?  (Or does it still work that way?)
>
> Geez, your memory is better than my decaying memory! Can you e-mail some 
> [unused?] braincells to me? ;-D
>
> I only see [seldom] those MOUNT and UNLOAD commands, but it is gazillion 
> years ago that I see that dummy job. I have searched NOW my RACF DB, procs, 
> etc. Nothing there...
>
> Question: what was the PGM and parms used in that dummy job?
>
> Just curious of course!
>
> Groete / Greetings
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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Alan Field
I seem to recall a S DEALLOC command issued from the console (console 
being a modified SELECTRIC typewriter)

and 

//DEALLOC PROC
//S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14

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Paul Gilmartin wrote:

>Remember the Bad Old Days when the operator needed to submit a dummy job 
to make a device actually go offline?  (Or does it still work that way?) 

Geez, your memory is better than my decaying memory! Can you e-mail some 
[unused?] braincells to me? ;-D

I only see [seldom] those MOUNT and UNLOAD commands, but it is gazillion 
years ago that I see that dummy job. I have searched NOW my RACF DB, 
procs, etc. Nothing there...

Question: what was the PGM and parms used in that dummy job?

Just curious of course!

Groete / Greetings
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Re: HMC-SE Interoperability

2013-01-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:30:23 +0100, R.S.  wrote:

>Where can I find information about supported HMC-SE code levels?
>AFAIK, in the old days I could connect HMC 2.9 to SE 1.8, despite 2.9 
>was Linux-based and SE was OS/2 based.
>Now I cannot connect HMC-SE 2.9 to 2.10 (and vice versa), because of 
>unsupported levels.

Do you have access to resource link and the hardware manuals for your
mainframe(s)?I haven't looked though all of them, but I would think
something should be in either the PR/SM manual, the HMC manuals
or the SE manuals.

Another place is the Technical Guide Redbook for your hardware
model.   For example, in the zEC12 Technical Guide chapter 12
(HMC & SE) contains information. 

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Paul Gilmartin wrote:

>Remember the Bad Old Days when the operator needed to submit a dummy job to 
>make a device actually go offline?  (Or does it still work that way?)  

Geez, your memory is better than my decaying memory! Can you e-mail some 
[unused?] braincells to me? ;-D

I only see [seldom] those MOUNT and UNLOAD commands, but it is gazillion years 
ago that I see that dummy job. I have searched NOW my RACF DB, procs, etc. 
Nothing there...

Question: what was the PGM and parms used in that dummy job?

Just curious of course!

Groete / Greetings
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HMC-SE Interoperability

2013-01-24 Thread R.S.

Where can I find information about supported HMC-SE code levels?
AFAIK, in the old days I could connect HMC 2.9 to SE 1.8, despite 2.9 
was Linux-based and SE was OS/2 based.
Now I cannot connect HMC-SE 2.9 to 2.10 (and vice versa), because of 
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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:30:48 -0600, John McKown wrote:

>The path is only needed while the SSCH is active (i.e. actual I/O is
>being done). During this time, z/OS will not take the path offline. It
>will mark the path as pending offline and not use it for future I/O.
>Once the I/O is complete, it will actually take the path offline. So,
>you should not need to worry. z/OS is a bit smarter than some of the
>other systems out their (*cough* Windows *cough*).
> 
I understand VSE used to work that way.  Did it get better?
Are we talking about possibly the only path?  What if the device
is allocated?

Remember the Bad Old Days when the operator needed to submit a
dummy job to make a device actually go offline?  (Or does it still
work that way?)  It's been a long time since I've seen DEVICE
 IS NOW OFFLINE in my job log, or even on my OMVS
terminal, where I recall once having seen one.

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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John McKown wrote:

>The path is only needed while the SSCH is active (i.e. actual I/O is being 
>done). During this time, z/OS will not take the path offline. It will mark the 
>path as pending offline and not use it for future I/O. Once the I/O is 
>complete, it will actually take the path offline. So, you should not need to 
>worry. z/OS is a bit smarter than some of the other systems out their (*cough* 
>Windows *cough*).

Yup. About windoze, try removing your USB stick while something is writing on 
it. Safety of contents on that stick is NOT guaranteed. Or do a CD/DVD eject 
while doing a pirate copy of something... BTDT. ;-D

To the OP (Victor):

I would like to add to what John kindly wrote, that if the I/O is completed, 
another LPAR may or may not pick up it [again] for more I/O work.

I would suggest something like that: RO *ALL, and then wait 
for all remaining I/O to finish.

You all need to check ALL the channels to a device are OFF on all LPARS and 
Sysplexes connected to it

Groete / Greetings
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Re: Stand-alone Dump Revisited

2013-01-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:40:00 +0100, nitz-...@gmx.net  wrote:

>> I mentioned the AUTOIPL statement because it's easy to overlook. But yes,
>> guaranteed that if there are multiple SAD output volumes, they need to be
>> need to rebuilt using AMDSADDD because the volumes are chained together by
>> unit address, which AMDSADDD determines and writes out. Guess how I know
>> that for sure? ;-((
>Et tu?
>
>If you're mirroring DASD and have to cut over to the mirrored version, make 
>sure to either NOT mirror your sadump volumes (the ones housing the sadmp 
>dataset) or else always regen sadmp via AMDSADDD.
>

We don't mirror the output volumes, but the IPL volume is since it is on 
a secondary sysres or DLIB vol.  So rebuilding SADUMP is one of the
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Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread John McKown
The path is only needed while the SSCH is active (i.e. actual I/O is
being done). During this time, z/OS will not take the path offline. It
will mark the path as pending offline and not use it for future I/O.
Once the I/O is complete, it will actually take the path offline. So,
you should not need to worry. z/OS is a bit smarter than some of the
other systems out their (*cough* Windows *cough*).

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Victor Zhang
 wrote:
> Hello experts,
> One dumb question:
> For a Storagetek VSM product or IBM TS7700 product, I can have multiple 
> channels connecting with them,  I also know that a tape I/O must complete on 
> the path where it is initiated. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> Based on this assumption, if there is a need to upgrade code in interface 
> cards of  virtual tape products, I may need offline path to the interface 
> card I need service, is it OK to offline path to one of the interface card 
> while it may be in use? Will z/OS protect the path while there are any 
> outstanding I/O that don't complete? The bottom question is: Is it safe to 
> offline path or will it cause backup job(for example ADRDSSU) job to abend?
>
> Regards
> Victor
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Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-24 Thread Victor Zhang
Hello experts,
One dumb question:
For a Storagetek VSM product or IBM TS7700 product, I can have multiple 
channels connecting with them,  I also know that a tape I/O must complete on 
the path where it is initiated. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Based on this assumption, if there is a need to upgrade code in interface cards 
of  virtual tape products, I may need offline path to the interface card I need 
service, is it OK to offline path to one of the interface card while it may be 
in use? Will z/OS protect the path while there are any outstanding I/O that 
don't complete? The bottom question is: Is it safe to offline path or will it 
cause backup job(for example ADRDSSU) job to abend?

Regards
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Re: Mktg: New Release of SyzMPF/z available

2013-01-24 Thread אריאל מרשנד
דני   -   דוגמה לשיווק בIBM Mainframe Discussion List :

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Brian Westerman <
brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com> wrote:

Hi all,

This is more of a marketing announcement (thus the subject line), but I
wanted to let everyone on the list know, especially those customers who did
not see the general announcement, that Version 3 of SyzMPF/z (automated
console message processing), has come out of beta testing and is now G.A.

This version had some major enhancements, including:

Persistent Variables, which are persistent for the length of the IPL.

Non-Persistent variables, which persistent only for the length of the Task
that they were generated for.  i.e. if a Non-persistent variable is
generated for CICS001, when CICS001 terminates the variable is
automatically removed.

Enhanced Static Variables, a slew of static variables have been added like
individual time and date portions, as well as hardware, software and
sub-system related items that can be used as components of IF/THEN related
testing or displayed in messages.

New ability to "create your own" operator commands, structured and named
however you want them to be which can perform any complex or simple script
related function as well as the ability to be able to tell if a console
message is generated from a task or was generated from a console command
(i.e. issued by a real or virtual operator).

Plus several other new features.

Current customers will be receiving shipments of the new version of
SyzMPF/z on their normal refresh schedule, but can request immediate
shipment of this version any time starting January 25th.

For more information please feel free to visit:

http://www.syzygyinc.com/SyzMPFz.htm

you can download the manual from that same page above or:

http://www.syzygyinc.com/Documents/SyzMPFz%20V3.1%20Installation%20and%20Users%20Guide.pdf

Thank you for your time and I apologize if you were not interested in this
announcement.

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AW: OMVS deleted files/directories.

2013-01-24 Thread Klimek, Albert
Hi
USS SMF records have some self-defining sections. ICETOOL needs fix offsets, 
therefore I use REXX. 

Here the SMF recordtype 92 subtype 14 report extract:

vbsbytes= 4
/*  */
process_record:   
/*  */
/* SMF Record Type 92 Subtype 14 */
/* Record Header Section */
smf92sid = substr(smf_record,14-vbsbytes+1,4)  /* System ID */ 
smf92wid = substr(smf_record,18-vbsbytes+1,4)  /* Subsystem ID */  
/* Time field in hundredths of a second format */  
/* is the number of seconds after midnight */  
s92_tme  = c2d(substr(smf_record,6-vbsbytes+1,4))  
s92_hh   = right(s92_tme % 36,2,'0')  /* integer divide */ 
s92_hhr  = s92_tme // 36  /* remainder  */ 
s92_mm   = right(s92_hhr % 6000,2,'0') 
s92_mmr  = s92_hhr // 6000 
s92_ss   = right(s92_mmr // 100,2,'0') 
smf92tme = s92_hh!!'.'!!s92_mm!!'.'!!s92_hh
/* Date the record was written in the form 0cyydddF, (where c is*/ 
/* 0 for 19xx and 1 for 20xx, yy is the current year (0-99), ddd is */ 
/* the current day (1-366), and F is the sign for a packed field).  */ 
s92_dte  = c2x(substr(smf_record,10-vbsbytes+1,4)) 
/* convert julian to standard */   
smf92dte = date('S',substr(s92_dte,3,5),'J')   
/*   Offset to subsys section */  
smf92sof = c2d(substr(smf_record,28-vbsbytes+1,4))
/*   Offset to ident. section */  
smf92iof  = c2d(substr(smf_record,36-vbsbytes+1,4))   
offset_id = smf92iof - vbsbytes   
r = ident_section()   
/*   Offset to data  section */   
smf92dof = c2d(substr(smf_record,44-vbsbytes+1,4))
offset_data = smf92dof - vbsbytes 
r = data_section()
if r = zero then r = write_record()   
return(r)  
/* --- */   
ident_section:  
/* --- */   
/* Identification Section */
smf92jbn = substr(smf_record,offset_id+1,8)/* Jobname */
smf92stm = substr(smf_record,offset_id+16+1,8) /* Stepname */   
smf92rud = substr(smf_record,offset_id+32+1,8) /* User ID */
return(r)   
/* -- */
data_section:   
/* -- */
/* Subtype 14 */
smf92dfn = substr(smf_record,offset_data+72+1,64) /* delete fn */   
return(r)   

HTH
If you need the whole part please contact me offline
Albert
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von sunil mirchandani
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2013 16:39
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Betreff: Reg: OMVS deleted files/directories.

Hello Team,

Can any one help to find out who has deleted particular files/directories
under OMVS.

Do we have any command to check or any other way( Any utility/job which
takes SMF data as a input and generate some report to find the user who has
deleted).

Any help much appreciated.

Thanks & Regards:
Sunil Mirchandani
9742433311

"Yesterday I dared to struggle. Today I dare to win"

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