Re: [josm-dev] Filled roundabouts

[Maarten Deen]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:30:15AM +0100, Dermot McNally wrote:

 While at SOTM I updated to the latest JOSM, to discover a new
 feature. Roundabouts are now displayed with a dark green fill, but
 (the important bit) _without_ the outline colour correctly reflecting
 the classification given in the highway tag. Is this
 intentional/considered useful or is it a side effect of another
 change? I don't really mind the fill (in fact, it's a useful visual
 clue that allows us to spot roundabouts not correctly tagged as such),
 but losing the highway colour is a pain.

I agree. I hadn't been mapping in a long while so I took the latest JOSM
last weekend and noticed the same.
My problem with it: because the colour is always white, after I made some
roundabouts I was wondering why they didn't show up on the map. It took
 me some time before it hit me that I forgot the highway tag.

Having the roundabout coloured with the highway colour will help
spot things like that.

Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] add node to split up way?

[Maarten Deen]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 01:26:50PM +0200, Tobias Wendorff wrote:

 I'm missing one important function in JOSM: Add Node!
 
 In CAD-software and other GIS-editors, you can add nodes to existing
 ways in order to split them up.
 
 Is this really a missing feature or am I too stupid to find it?

I don't want to say yes, but just select the segment tool and click
on a segment.
Or you are using an old version of JOSM. It was not present in older
versions.

Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] Bug 595 - Virtual nodes - Comments requested

[Maarten Deen]

David Earl wrote:
 On 18/08/2008 14:13, Maarten Deen wrote:

 Press 'A' or 'N' or select the 'Draw Nodes' tool. Press and hold
 SHIFT and click a few nodes. These nodes are drawn without a segment.
 So far so good. Now release SHIFT and move the mouse. You will see a
 segment that starts from the last node you entered.
 That is my gripe with the SHIFT-CLICK option. It works until you release
 SHIFT, which makes it broken.
 The same happens when you don't add single nodes on the map but when
 you click on a segment so JOSM adds them to the segment. The last node
 always results in a segment being created.
 
 But that's what it is supposed to do. It's not a SHIFT+CLICK if the 
 shift key isn't down.

You have just redefined the meaning of shift-click.
No key or mouse combination with a special key I know of changes when you 
release either key. JOSM is the first application I encounter that does so.
Simple example: use shift and left mousebutton to select multiple icons on your 
desktop (I guess X or Gnome works the same as Windows). The selection does not 
magically change when I release the shift.
To me your explanation sounds more like it's a feature, not a bug.

 I guess what you're saying is you want the shift key to be sticky - in 
 other words a new mode! That would be a weird behaviour for a modifier 
 key like shift.

No. I want an option that only sets a node. Just a node, no segment attached to 
it. How that is accomplished is really not important. Wheter it is through a 
redefine of the 'A' or 'N' key, or a (IMHO) proper implementation of 
shift-click 
is fine by me. As long as there is a possibility that I select a mode and then 
click-click-click-click nodes into JOSM.
At present there is no possibilitiy to just add a node (e.g. for an amenity or 
another node in an existing way). You always have to press another key to get 
that annoying segment away (and in my mind I am really using profanities now 
because I'm thourghouly pissed off at not having that option).

Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] Bug 595 - Virtual nodes - Comments requested

[Maarten Deen]

Matthias Julius wrote:
 Maarten Deen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 You have just redefined the meaning of shift-click.
 No key or mouse combination with a special key I know of changes when you 
 release either key. JOSM is the first application I encounter that does so.
 Simple example: use shift and left mousebutton to select multiple icons on 
 your 
 desktop (I guess X or Gnome works the same as Windows). The selection does 
 not 
 magically change when I release the shift.
 To me your explanation sounds more like it's a feature, not a bug.
 
 - Click on an icon - it gets selected (standard behavior)
 - Shift-Click on another icon - it gets added to the selection
   (modified behavior)
 - release Shift and click on a third icon - the other icons get
   deselected and the third one gets selected (standard behavior)
 
 How is that different to:
 
 - Click somewhere - a new node is created and connected to the last
   node (standard behavior)

Or, if not node was selected, a node with a segment is created

 - Shift-Click somewhere else - a new node is created and _not_
   connected to the last node (modified behavior)

There is the catch. Shift-Click and a node without a segment is created. 
Release 
the shift and the segment is created. The only way to create a node without a 
segment is to created two nodes. Then the first is created without a segment, 
but as soon as you release the shift, a segment is added to the last nod you 
created. Try it out and you'll see!

 - Click on a third spot - a new node is created and connected to the
   last node (standard behavior)
 
 JOSM won't create a segment to connect a just created node when you
 release Shift after you created that node.

Yes it will! I am not going to use capitals here, but please, please, please, 
try it out for yourself! JOSM will create a segment connecting to the node you 
just created when you release shift.

Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] slippymap plugin not wanting to make render requests

[Maarten Deen]

Dirk Stöcker wrote:
 On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Maarten Deen wrote:
 
 The automatic update from within JOSM doesn't work. It keeps saying there is 
 a
 new version of the slippymap plugin and appears to download it, but it isn't
 updated.
 I've downloaded it manually and JOSM still says there is a new version of the
 slippymap plugin. In JOSM it says it's version 7821.

 After I downloaded it manually, the render request works. Thanks.
 
 You first need to update the list. Recent plugins hace something above 
 1 as revision.

Ah, ok. Didn't catch that one.

Maarten

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[josm-dev] Download area from slippy map

[Maarten Deen]

I just came across something: how do you zoom out on the slippymap download
option when you don't have a mousewheel? E.g. on a laptop?

Maarten



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Re: [josm-dev] Download area from slippy map

[Maarten Deen]

bill purvis wrote:

 I found it to be pretty useless too. I tried zooming in but only got
 an enlarged section of the original image. Huge pixels. Not much good!

Then you have to wait a bit for the map to get updated (higher zoom tiles to 
get 
loaded).

Regards,
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[josm-dev] Add nodes functionality changed?

[Maarten Deen]

Until recently, pressing A and then clicking a way while holding the shift 
key 
resulted in nodes being added to a segment.
For a week now ( first noticed it in the march 01 version and I now took the 
latest from march 08) this does not work anymore. A and then clicking (either 
with or without holding shift) alway makes a new segment.

Is this a bug or is this on purpose?
If it is on purpose, what is now the new way of adding nodes to an existing 
segment? The only way I found was A, click, S, click on background, repeat.

Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] Add nodes functionality changed?

[Maarten Deen]

Shaun McDonald wrote:
 If you are zoomed in enough, you will find a little plus in the middle  
 of the line. You simply need to drag that plus to get a new node.

But then you drag the segment into a direction you don't want it to go. If you 
want the segment to be where it was you will have to straighten it out again 
with L.
Doubleclick seems to work fine, but I already had it happen to me that I 
apparently moved the mouse slightly and I created a new node with a segment 
coming from that node and going to that node.

And I just found that doubleclicking is also not really handy when adding nodes 
to the crossing of two segments. Using shift was IMHO much more convenient and 
sure is faster.
If we are having a vote, I am a lot in favour of getting the shift modifier 
back.
You don't have to remove the other options, but I see no reason why the shift 
was removed and couldn't go back in.

Regards,
Maarten



 On 8 Mar 2009, at 13:06, Maarten Deen wrote:
 
 Until recently, pressing A and then clicking a way while holding  
 the shift key
 resulted in nodes being added to a segment.
 For a week now ( first noticed it in the march 01 version and I now  
 took the
 latest from march 08) this does not work anymore. A and then  
 clicking (either
 with or without holding shift) alway makes a new segment.

 Is this a bug or is this on purpose?
 If it is on purpose, what is now the new way of adding nodes to an  
 existing
 segment? The only way I found was A, click, S, click on  
 background, repeat.

 Regards,
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Re: [josm-dev] Add nodes functionality changed?

[Maarten Deen]

Dirk Stöcker wrote:

 The remaining users will learn about that change and we have a better 
 interface :-) Especially new users had lots of problems with the dangling 
 rubber band which are now solved.

I don't see that. When I click, I still get the rubber band. Maybe you mean 
something else, but the shift was _the_ way to eliminate the rubber band.

And when you are trying to work fast and the mouse moves just before the second 
click, the new segment is there. That problem could not occur when using 
shift-click.

Regards,
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Re: [josm-dev] Add nodes functionality changed?

[Maarten Deen]

Stefan Breunig wrote:
 Oh, I thought that proper functionality was going to be restored, so I
 didn't bother complaining.  :-)
 
 Does anyone actually read my mails? It's really annoying to repeat
 over and over again just because you can't take 10 minutes and read
 this thread and see that your complaints are unreasoned.
 
 I can see that the functionality is still there -- just hit escape
 between every click -- but the use case of shift-click, shift-click,
 shift-click, shift-click to create a bunch of unconnected nodes -- is
 not satisfied by needing to hit escape every time.
 
 Again, reading would have helped. Just ESC+Click, ESC+Click like you
 did with shift (keep esc pressed).

I didn't expect it to be keep ESC pressed, since that is not how you use ESC 
normally. I've tried this and JOSM does not seem to like it very much. It takes 
a very long time to add nodes to an existing way this way. It is even much 
slower than click-ESC-click-ESC- etc.

I'd still like an option to add nodes without continuing a way after that.
What is the objection of having a method for that, perhaps tied to the letter N?

Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] Commit message not empty

[Maarten Deen]

Frederik Ramm wrote:
 Hi,

 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

 Even if it's only fuck you? Because that's the sort of crap we'll
 get in the database because JOSM is forcing commit messages on people.

 Yes, if the user so dislikes being communicative then let him put fuck
 you there and be surprised why his edits get reverted more often than
 others.

If a user gets his changes reverted more often because of the message he
writes, than I think the system is wrong, not the message. Edits should be
judged on the edit, not on the message that accompanies it.

 Honestly, the commit comment is important and if someone who has made an
 effort to map something cannot be bothered to spend 5 seconds of his
 time (thus making things VERY much easier for everyone else) then I'd
 politely ask him to find another crowdsourcing project to contribute to.

I must say that the first time I heard from this message was because of this
thread. Any documentation on why this is such an important issue and what is
expected to be put in there?

Maarten


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Re: [josm-dev] Only method post is supported on this URI

[Maarten Deen]

Shaun McDonald wrote:
 On 31 May 2009, at 14:04, Maarten Deen wrote:
 
 Russ Nelson wrote:
 Maarten Deen writes:
 I spent some time adding and changing stuff in JOSM, but when  
 uploading I get
 the message Only method post is supported on this URI.
 This happens to me with the josm-latest (and the version from  
 21-05-2009).

 What is this error, what is going wrong?

 I don't know either, but deleting my 'preferences' file got uploading
 to work again.

 Thanks, but that made it worse initially. It just spat out errors  
 trying to
 upload. But I did see what was wrong: the upload URL has changed from
 http://www.openstreetmap.com/api to http://api.openstreetmap.org/api  
 (notice the
 www-api and com-org).
 
 Why have you been using www.openstreetmap.com? This has never been the  
 default in JOSM, as far as I'm aware.

Probably because in the olden days there were no default settings and this was 
one of the URLs (_the_ URL?) to be used. Or I played around with it in the past 
and never knew it should be .org, I don't know. It always worked and now all of 
a sudden it doesn't.

 You need to be using either http://www.openstreetmap.org/api or 
 http://api.openstreetmap.org/api 
   for it to work now that all other domains (including osm.org and  
 openstreetmap.com) redirect to www.openstreetmap.org.
 
 Maybe we need to add this to 
 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/StartupPageSource 
   ?

I saw that JOSM now fills the .org address as default, but if in the future the 
API URL changes than it would be a helpful addition.
And in the OSM wiki too.

Regards,
Maarten


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[josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations?

[Maarten Deen]

I admit I haven't used relations in a while, so I'm quite surprised to see that 
JOSM now adds a way to a relation again if it was already in the relation. 
Previously, ways that were already in a relation did not get added again.
I this an intentional change?

So now I've ended up with a relation with almost all ways double. Is there a 
quick and easy way to get all double ways removed from this relation?

Regards,
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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations?

[Maarten Deen]

Frederik Ramm wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Maarten Deen wrote:
 I admit I haven't used relations in a while, so I'm quite surprised to see 
 that 
 JOSM now adds a way to a relation again if it was already in the relation. 
 Previously, ways that were already in a relation did not get added again.
 I this an intentional change?
 
 Yes, this is because since 0.6 OpenStreetMap allows the same way to be 
 in the same relation twice (needed e.g. for a bus route that goes down a 
 spur and comes back).
 
 So now I've ended up with a relation with almost all ways double. Is there a 
 quick and easy way to get all double ways removed from this relation?
 
 Not yet I'm afraid.

That's a serious issue. I've seen that all the double ways appear in the edit 
relation box with -- or -- in the linked column. But if I then 
remove 
one of those lines, both ways get removed from the relation.
Surely that is not intentional?

Has someone already though of a distinct feature in the relation editor? 
Either a remove double entries or also a button add selected distinct 
entries?

I've managed to hack them out. The easy way I guess: select all ways in the 
relation, add some bogus tag, remove all ways from the segment, select all ways 
with the bogus tag and add them to the relation.
But I don't think that should be the way forward.

Maarten

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[josm-dev] Relation editor sort: on which key?

[Maarten Deen]

There is a sort button in the relation editor. It's not clear to me what it 
sorts on. It is not alphabeticaly, it is not on id, not on number of nodes.
What does it sort on?

Regards,
Maarten

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[josm-dev] Cancel while downloading relations

[Maarten Deen]

I downloaded a relation which contains a lot of relations. So I selected them 
all and did download members.

These were some 140 relations.
The downloading went fast until all of a sudden it stopped. This was after about 
84 relations.
So I pressed cancel, expecting the downloaded relations to be in JOSM. Much to 
my surprise they weren't.


Is there a technical reason for JOSM to discard already downloaded relations 
when you press cancel? I would think that there is no difference with getting 
them one at a time, it's only a faster way of downloading more relations.

If there is no technical reason, then I'm going to enter this is a bug.

Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] videomapping plugin - how to?

[Maarten Deen]

Am 02.10.2011 02:31, schrieb Iván Sánchez Ortega:



Unable to load library 'Advapi32.so': libAdvapi32.so: cannot open shared
object file

As I understand, this plugin uses the VLCJ libraries for playing the video,
and they seem to be missing. I visited the project page, and downloaded them,
but all I get is a .jar file.

The wiki page for the plugin seems to be too scarce on details on how to get
this library up and running. Being a JOSM user, not a JOSM dev, I feel a bit
lost.


I'm the author of the plugin (user:!i!) and have to say thats 
unfirtunatly not released in a stable way :(
Other users have similar problems (that should not occure, of course 
because all is included in the .jar).

Sadly I won't be able to restart dev on the plugin before end of Oct :(


Just to give you a heads-up that more users are using the plugin, I've done my 
first trial today. Unfortunately it also crashes, only after I've imported a 
video. Then it gives me this message every time I do anything in the plugin:

java.lang.reflect.UndeclaredThrowableException
at $Proxy1.libvlc_release(Unknown Source)

I hope you will be able to find time to continue the development.

Regards,
Maarten



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Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart

[Maarten Deen]

On 2012-04-03 12:55, Simon Legner wrote:

Hi!

On 03/04/12 13:47, Maarten Deen wrote:


I was able to create this page without a hitch:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mdeen/josm

It's not really pretty though. Was this what you designed?


It was intended for the JOSM Wiki:
   http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki

It should look better over there ;-)


Oops! My bad.

Maarten


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[josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

[Maarten Deen]

My apologies for ranting, but please do not change shortcuts that were in use 
for I-know-not-how long. I just downloaded rev 5181 and found that the d key 
did not work. Someone decided that it should be the delete key.
I can understand the reasoning. But do not decide for the whole community that 
it is better to have everyone change the way they work just because you think it 
is better. If you think deleting an item should be the delete key and it was 
programmed as d, then your welcome to change it in your favourits.
IMHO it is also a bad change because now I have to get my hand off the mouse to 
use the delete key where the d key is nicely positioned on the left side of the 
keyboard to use with my left hand.


In principle, it is not a good idea to change long established customs.

Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

[Maarten Deen]

On 30-4-2012 18:46, Dirk Stöcker wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote:


To continue my rant: N used to be the method to place one node only.
That seems to have disappeared too. It looks like I now have to start
drawing a way with A and then press escape to end drawing the way so I
can change its properties.


'N' was simply a secondary key for 'A' for a very long time now. It had
exactly same function and thus has been removed. To place a single node
use SHIFT + Click or ESC and afterwards Click.


N had not the same function. A starts a way, N sets a node. To set one 
node now, you have to do the things you mention. To set one note before 
you only had to select N and click once.


In any case: it is more work. Yes, I'm nitpicking, but nitpicking is 
easy when there is no guide or releasenotes where this is mentioned.



To end drawing after the node has been created either Double-Click or
press ESC afterwards.

All of this beeing available for a very long time also.


If you are not using those other keys, you are not aware of them. I 
haven't read anywhere in releasenotes that certain shortcuts were dropped.
I must have also missed all those discussions about it on this list 
because I can't remember any.


Maarten


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Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

[Maarten Deen]

Dirk Stöcker wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote:


 'N' was simply a secondary key for 'A' for a very long time now. It had
 exactly same function and thus has been removed. To place a single node
 use SHIFT + Click or ESC and afterwards Click.


N had not the same function. A starts a way, N sets a node. To set one node 
now, you have to do the things you mention. To set one note before you only 
had to select N and click once.


I find no code which validates your description. N was removed in this 
changeset and it was a simple analogon to A:


https://josm.openstreetmap.de/changeset/4956/josm/trunk/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/actions/mapmode/DrawAction.java

If it was as you described, then it vanished a long time ago and nobody 
noticed it. Which also is a good point to remove it.


You are right, the simple fact that the N was dropped must have set me on the 
wrong foot. But I still remember there was a way (then maybe even longer ago) 
that you could just set one node and be done with it.


But there you go: change one simple thing and there are people who are 
completely off track. You can make fun of this, but that's what happens.


Still haven't found a mention that the N was going to be dropped.

Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] Validator

[Maarten Deen]

Is it possible to make an option for the validator so that you can 
choose between validating only touched objects and all objects?
Then put it default on only touched objects for new installations so 
that newbies only see the errors on objects they actually touched.


Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] Find bus stops along a way

[Maarten Deen]

On 2012-11-08 08:14, Jo wrote:

Hi,

I want to find all bus stops along a side of the road. So I'm looking 
for

functions in JOSM to:

Define a rectangle a few meters to one side of the (section of a) 
road.

Get all nodes within this rectangle as a list.

or:

Define a polygon with the way as one of its sides and a parallel way 
x

meters away as another side.
Get all nodes within this polygon as a list.

I've been browsing through the source code, but I can't seem to find
suitable functions to accomplish this.


There is a plugin: download_along. It is rather crude, but effective. 
You can download objects within 5000, 500 and 50 meters of one or more 
selected objects, with a maximum area of 20, 10, 5 or 1 km^2 per 
request.
JOSM (the api) can only download rectangular areas (bbox) so it will 
divide the area you request into these smaller areas to download.
Obviously you would want the lowest settings for your use. It will 
download in multiple sets, but because it's all automated you can get 
coffee while it's working.


There are suggestions for API v0.7 to extend downloading to arbitrary 
areas, but these seem to be centered on downloading objects that are 
within an already existing structure, not arbitrary polygons. Not sure 
it that would be difficult to program, but I'm adding it to the list at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.7


Regards,
Maarten


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Re: [josm-dev] Thank You Note?

[Maarten Deen]

On 2013-06-14 12:53, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

   at the FOSSGIS conference, someone said in a presentation that the
user experience in OSM could be improved if the editor were to give a
simple thank you message after you have uploaded something. Thank
yo for contributing to OpenStreetMap or so.


Not if it requires an extra action to click the message away.

Maarten


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Re: [josm-dev] [OSM-talk] Is there some lag in the backend data?

[Maarten Deen]

On 2013-07-24 10:39, Andy Robinson wrote:

I'm seeing this problem in JOSM 6060. To replicate try:


FWIW, I was also using JOSM 6060. The webstart version.

Regards,
Maarten


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Re: [josm-dev] An incredible and unexpected use of JOSM

[Maarten Deen]

On 2013-09-11 09:21, Florian Lohoff wrote:


But i wouldnt be worried - There will be a day where OSM will be THE
ONLY important map provider. Its economically not possible for Nokia
and TomTom to get the same map detail level as we do. So they'll
highlight the crowd nature of OSM and try to spread FUD about
reliability and accuracy of OSM for the next 10 Years.

This has all happened before in the Linux universe and in the end
there is Linux on any embedded device and server and the Desktop,
Microsoft has been dominating for 30 Years will be irrelevant by
tomorrow.


This is so true. We only have to wait. Once OSM will be more and more 
known by the public and they see that they can get maps and updates for 
the entire world for free and that they can get updated maps 
(technically) every single day instead of having to pay € 100 euro 
(usually much more for in-car nav) for just the map or a year's worth of 
updates then the consumer will demand it.


Really the only thing car manufacturers need to install in a car is an 
Android tablet.


What we can do to accelerate that process is to make the map even 
better. So basically: carry on.


Maarten


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Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

[Maarten Deen]

On 2013-11-27 11:58, Minh Nguyen wrote:

On 23:12 2013-11-26, Florian Lohoff wrote:

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 03:46:47PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote:

So the relation between the east--west and north--south member roles
is equivalent to the relation between forward--backward.

Because the cardinal direction is commonly included on the road signs
(see example 
http://www.aaroads.com/west/new_mexico010/bl-010_eb_at_i-010.jpg)

this information is useful in the U.S. (and Canadian) context as a
drop in replacement for the traditional forward / backward role
members.


I still dont get it - Which relation would need this as a role?

If this is a signposted destination i would expect it in the
destination or destination:lane tag on the road as west e.g.

destination:lanes=West;Los Angeles|East;Boston

For example Mapfactor Navigator will use this to show destinations.

backward/forward as role are in relation to the ways direction. A tag
can either have a meaning in forward or backward or both directions
on a way. There is no way a tag has a meaning in 56° left of the way.


What should destination:lanes be for either exit in this photo?

http://www.interstate-guide.com/images074/i-074_et_09.jpg

The sign for exit 3 could be read Hopple Street, eastbound Route
52, southbound Route 27, or southbound Route 127. The cardinal
directions here are not destinations but rather part of the name of
the side of the route.

Exit 4 leads to a carriageway that is simultaneously westbound I-74,
westbound US 52, and northbound US 27. Some of us would like to relate
it to an I-74 relation with the role west and so on.


Where would you want to put this in? In the relation for the I-74? This 
exit should not be part of the relation for the I-74.
As Florian said: this needs to be put in destination tags on the way. At 
this point there are problaby two ways, one for the through road (which 
I believe is I-75?) and one for the exit.
The through road has 
destination:lanes=South;Downtown;I-75|South;East;Hopple St;27;127;52 and 
the exit has destination:lanes=West;North;Indianapolis;I-74;52;27


I agree with Florian. I do not see the need for north/south/west/east 
roles in a relation for this.


Regards,
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Re: [josm-dev] caching

[Maarten Deen]

On 2013-12-09 15:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
nobody? My main question is: has caching been modified compared to what 
is

written in the cited article in the wiki?


If a key is not present in the advanced preferences, you can always add 
it. No idea if it is used or not.


Maybe a sidenote, and not directly related to caching of WMS tiles, but 
I find that the loading and caching of the tiles for the download screen 
is very slow and seems inefficient. It looks to me that it keeps loading 
tiles even when they are not needed, and keeps trying to load those 
tiles even when you have closed the download screen.


Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM 7182 released (first Java 7 version)

[Maarten Deen]

I was a bit surprised to notice that my saved osm files would not get 
loaded anymore. Then I saw in the changelog that v0.5 format was 
dropped. It would have been more graceful to have josm save v0.5 osm 
files as v0.6 as soon as that was implemented. This is a tip for when 
the version goes to 0.7.


And now there is this strange N next to a node, it seems to be related 
to a node having a note. How can I remove this N?


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM 7182 released (first Java 7 version)

[Maarten Deen]

On 2014-05-29 13:33, Dirk Stöcker wrote:

On Wed, 28 May 2014, Vincent Privat wrote:


I dropped the support of 0.5 in the general code cleanup process.
Didn't think it was worth keeping 5 years after release of API 0.6... 
Feel

free to revert r7013 if you think it's really important.


I've seen that change and it still looks fine for me. Thought a
failure to load our own files is not fine.

There should be a way to upgrade old files somehow.


I can understand it when nobody wants to build a conversion routine to 
save 0.5 files to 0.6. While the changes from 0.5 to 0.6 appear to be 
trivial, who knows what changes are to come for 0.7 (and the change from 
0.4 to 0.5 also was less trivial).


But I agree that loading of old files should be possible in some way. As 
there is no functionality to save old versions to new versions, an old 
version file will remain an old version file, whatever you do with it.


I may misuse JOSM for other purposes (the file in question holds POIs 
for a walking network and I use JOSM to keep track where I've been and 
use it to easily identify where the ones are that I still need to go 
to), but it seems to me that keeping this functionality would not be a 
big deal. Especially since more things than just that changed and the 
latest JOSM available for download that does load 0.5 files (7006) does 
not display amenity icons on the nodes anymore (nodes are just nodes, 
either open squares when they have no keys or light blue filled squares 
when they have keys).


Regards,
Maarten

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[josm-dev] JOSM wants to add a certificate?

[Maarten Deen]

I opened JOSM (webstart) and it came with a question to install a 
certification authority for localhost with a sha1 thumbprint
I have no knowledge of having generated a sha1 thumbprint on my windows 
computer, so I am interested to know how JOSM can ask this.
I also don't know why JOSM needs this. Is this something from JOSM or 
has some worm crawled in? (yes, this was the first thing that entered my 
mind).


Lets make it clear that, not having created this thumbprint myself, I 
can not verify this thumbprint and that this seems a very strange way of 
operating.


Regards,
Maarten


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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM wants to add a certificate?

[Maarten Deen]

On 2014-07-07 13:36, Dirk Stöcker wrote:

On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, Maarten Deen wrote:

I opened JOSM (webstart) and it came with a question to install a 
certification authority for localhost with a sha1 thumbprint
I have no knowledge of having generated a sha1 thumbprint on my 
windows computer, so I am interested to know how JOSM can ask this.
I also don't know why JOSM needs this. Is this something from JOSM or 
has some worm crawled in? (yes, this was the first thing that entered 
my mind).


Due to the browser restrictions of today any request to the remote
control of JOSM needs to be HTTPS as well when used from a HTTPS page.
For a HTTPS server functionality we need a certificate. The request
you talk about tries to copy that certificate to the JAVA keystore, so
it can be used. The browser still should ask you about it (at least
for first connection), as it is a self-signed cert.


But whose certificate is it? Where can I validate the key? It is not 
localhost, because my computer is localhost and it is not a key I 
generated on my computer. It is JOSM that is trying to install this 
certificate. So the certification authority caliming to represent 
localhost is not correct. At least that should be changed to JOSM.


Lets make it clear that, not having created this thumbprint myself, I 
can not verify this thumbprint and that this seems a very strange way 
of operating.


If you have a better solution, feel free to fix it.


I really dislike such replies. You seem to insinuate that the only ones 
to make comments are the ones that have the knowledge and ability to 
change the source.

I hope my view of your answer is incorrect.
You may not like criticism, but my goal is not to talk the developers of 
JOSM down but to try to give them hints of how things could (IMHO) 
improve.


Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] JOSM wants to add a certificate?

[Maarten Deen]

On 2014-07-08 10:26, Vincent Privat wrote:

Hi,
As said this is a required mechanism to let you use Remote Control in
https (for example from Edit button on main OSM website, when
browsed in HTTPS).
See https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/10033 [1] for explanations
and progress update (currently this stuff is only implemented on
Windows).
The warning you are referring to is displayed by Windows and we have
no control on it.
The certificate has been generated thereby:
keytool -genkeypair -storepass josm_ssl -keypass josm_ssl -alias
josm_localhost -dname CN=localhost, OU=JOSM, O=OpenStreetMap -ext
san=ip:127.0.0.1 -keyalg RSA -validity 1825


I understand all that, but I can still not validate the certificate with 
that. I am asked to trust certificate xyz, but it is not documented 
anywhere who generated that certificate and what the key should be.
The keytool command (when run on Ubuntu) gives an error Illegal option: 
 -ext.


Regards,
Maarten

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[josm-dev] Cannot upload changeset

[Maarten Deen]

I had a similar problem last month when one relation seemed to block the 
upload of changes in JOSM [1]. Now again. I've created a relation, added 
some items to it and I am trying to upload it. For about an hour now the 
Uploading data for layer dialog is open, the slider goes back and 
forth but nothing happens. It's changeset 28614152 [2]


I've included the text of the changeset below. Could someone please try 
and see if they can upload it? I'm a but stumped as to what the cause 
is.


?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?
osm version='0.6' upload='true' generator='JOSM'
  relation id='-72' action='modify' visible='true'
member type='relation' ref='2133854' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='376026' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='359309' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='2063493' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='381474' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='385839' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='2156546' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='2154895' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='358827' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='1755406' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='346385' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='2135782' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='2135783' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='363629' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='385244' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='388398' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='1779170' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='2154896' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='2800122' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='364180' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='387334' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='386816' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='389265' role='' /
member type='relation' ref='901102' role='' /
tag k='name' v='OV-concessies Nederland' /
tag k='network' v='public_transport' /
tag k='type' v='network' /
  /relation
/osm

Regards,
Maarten


[1] 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2015-January/071816.html

[2] https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/28614152/

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[josm-dev] Node display at lower zoom

[Maarten Deen]

At some point JOSM was changed so that at high zooms nodes don't display 
their icons anymore but are just a dot that gets smaller the further you 
zoom out.
Is this configurable? I am noticing now that for some purposes I always 
want the configured icon to display.


Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] Overpass Query download

[Maarten Deen]

On 2015-10-08 17:36, pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:

Hi Maarten

You need to complete by requesting also for child objects. You need to
add
 >;out meta;

See http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/bUM


So the query becomes relation["network"="Zeeland"]; rel(r); out 
meta;>;out meta;


That does not work in JOSM either. I get the error "Failed to download 
data. Its format is either unsupported, ill-formed, and/or inconsistent. 
 Details (untranslated): runtime error: Query run out of memory in 
"recurse" at line 1 using about 659 MB of RAM."


Regards,
Maarten


-
 DE : Maarten Deen <md...@xs4all.nl>
À : josm-dev@openstreetmap.org
ENVOYÉ LE : Jeudi 8 octobre 2015 11h22
OBJET : [josm-dev] Overpass Query download

How does the download from overpass API work?
I have a functioning overpass query that gives perfect (altough
incomplete) data: ( relation["network"="Zeeland"]; rel(r); out meta; )

but when I feed that query in the JOSM download from overpass API
dialog, I tells me there is no data.

Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [josm-dev] josm.osm.de: No space left on device

[Maarten Deen]

On 2015-09-10 00:20, Vincent Privat wrote:

We're reaching the limit of the 100Gb disk capacity.

Some numbers:
- www/download: 16 Gb
- www/apt: 6 Gb
- backup: 25 Gb
- jenkins/jobs: 29 Gb, as below
  - JOSM: 21 Gb
  - Plugins: 6 Gb

I freed some space and reduced the number of jenkins jobs for:
  - Plugins: 100 to 50
  - JOSM: 500 to 250

I'm triggering new builds to force Jenkins to delete old jobs. I hope 
it
will reduce its disk usage significantly. However I'd like to see if we 
can

increase our disk capacity.


What would you need for that? Monetary donations, or can you use a 
harddisk? I have some unused ones lying around. But they are not new and 
not in the TB region.

Then again, you can find new 250 GB harddisks for as low as 20 euro.

Regards,
Maarten


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[josm-dev] JOSM validator does not use all processorpower anymore?

[Maarten Deen]

The JOSM validator used to use the full processor when running. I've 
updated to version 8800 and now it doesn't anymore. It stays at about 
17% on my dual-cores system, so that's about 34% of one core. I can not 
imagine that the checking process is not CPU-bound anymore, what would 
it need otherwise?


Any thoughts on this?

Regards,
Maarten

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Keepright URL for opening issues in josm

[Maarten Deen]

The keepright URL for JOSM from issues like those at [1] does not work 
for me. I am using firefox 60.0.1 64bit on Windows 7. The URL is 
something like [2]


Before I open an issue with this in the keepright github I'd like to 
find out why this does not work. JOSM is supposed to listen to port 8111 
and 8112 and says 8111 is for http and 8112 is for https. I have remote 
control enabled in josm with https support. Certificate is installed and 
the only action not permitted is opening local files.
What strikes me is that keepright gives an https url to port 8112 but 
e.g. the BrowseRelation template from the wiki [3] does not specify the 
protocol and goes to port 8111. And that works for me.
If I strip the protocol from the keepright link and keep port 8112 it 
still does not work (I get 6 UTF-8 characters). If I strip the protocol 
and change to port 8111, it does work.


Is this a a problem with my setup, is it a josm problem or is the URL 
from keepright malformed?



[1] 
https://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=13=51.32792=6.02172=B0T
[2] 
https://localhost:8112/load_and_zoom?left=6.0512687=6.0532687=51.31949859996=51.3174986=node5339431911,way174670567_mode=download
[3] 
localhost:8111/import?url=https://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/7496676/full


Regards,
Maarten

Re: New version of JOSM noticably sluggisher and becoming unresponsive

[Maarten Deen]

In this case I was also working with bus routes and the PT Assistant.

Regards,
Maarten

On 2018-08-19 11:35, Jo wrote:

I'm also noticing that JOSM sometimes hangs. In my case it is then
consuming >300% processing power. I often see it right after panning
the map.

I'm beta testing PT_Assistant and can't be sure whether that has
something to do with it. It's drawing many labels for all the bus
stops, which are calculated based on route membership. This worked
well before, but then it was only shown for the stops of the active
route relation.

Polyglot

Op zo 19 aug. 2018 om 11:01 schreef Maarten Deen :


I don't know if other people notice this too, but the new version of

JOSM (14163) is noticably more shluggish than the previous version.
Moving nodes is not fluent but jerky. And after some time it just
stops
responding.
It starts with the same symptoms as I mentioned in bug 16403 [1] and

then after a while it just stops working. It is just unresponsive
without taking processor power.

Doing several restarts I notice different strange behaviours. I
thought
maybe it was related to having a large dataset open so now I have a
smaller one, but now I have the "Add value?" dialog open and I can't

change anything there and the ok, cancel or help buttons are
unresponsive. And obviously I can't click on the main screen because
the
Add value? dialog is modal.
For some reason the JAVA debug screen is also unresponsive.

I'm going back to an older version because this does not work at all
for
me.

[1] <https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16403>

Regards,
Maarten

New version of JOSM noticably sluggisher and becoming unresponsive

[Maarten Deen]

I don't know if other people notice this too, but the new version of 
JOSM (14163) is noticably more shluggish than the previous version. 
Moving nodes is not fluent but jerky. And after some time it just stops 
responding.
It starts with the same symptoms as I mentioned in bug 16403 [1] and 
then after a while it just stops working. It is just unresponsive 
without taking processor power.


Doing several restarts I notice different strange behaviours. I thought 
maybe it was related to having a large dataset open so now I have a 
smaller one, but now I have the "Add value?" dialog open and I can't 
change anything there and the ok, cancel or help buttons are 
unresponsive. And obviously I can't click on the main screen because the 
Add value? dialog is modal.

For some reason the JAVA debug screen is also unresponsive.

I'm going back to an older version because this does not work at all for 
me.


[1] 

Regards,
Maarten

Re: josm Keyboard input stops working

[Maarten Deen]

On 2019-01-07 16:46, Florian Lohoff wrote:

Hola Maarten

On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 08:11:20AM +0100, Maarten Deen wrote:
I have seen this also and have filed a bug for it in the past, but 
that got

closed because it was not reproducible.

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16403

Circumstances to create it included fast succession of entering keys, 
like
what Florian is describing. At a certain point I could not type new 
text but

I could change existing keys.
But I have not experienced this in some time now. I'm normally using 
the

webstart JOSM with usually last version of JAVA on Windows 7.


Look at https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/13160

For me its dead simple to reproduce ... Still exists in current josm
with openjdk 8 and 11. I am on Linux but others have reported the
Problem on Windows.


I concur.

First time I tried it took a while and I just held down ENTER then after 
10-15 times it stopped. I could still exit JOSM
Second time it took only 2 times and even the menu bar was unresponsive 
and I could not exit JOSM.

Both scenario's seem to occur randomly.

I also notice that briefly after you press ENTER (which runs the add 
function) the focus switches to the edit button. No idea if that has 
something to do with it.


Regards,
Maarten

Re: josm Keyboard input stops working

[Maarten Deen]

I have seen this also and have filed a bug for it in the past, but that 
got closed because it was not reproducible.


https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16403

Circumstances to create it included fast succession of entering keys, 
like what Florian is describing. At a certain point I could not type new 
text but I could change existing keys.
But I have not experienced this in some time now. I'm normally using the 
webstart JOSM with usually last version of JAVA on Windows 7.


Regards,
Maarten

On 2019-01-07 00:51, Andrew Harvey wrote:

I've run into the same issue a few times.

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 01:54, Florian Lohoff  wrote:



Hi,
for some month now i have the issue that under some for me
non deterministic circumstances the complete keyboard input
in JOSM stops working.

I was on latest 14530 and switched to 14648 a couple minutes
ago and after 2 Minutes of editing all keyboard input was
disfunctional. The only input method left is the mouse
so i cant save a session because i cant enter a filename
in the file requester popping up.

I am pretty shure the bug existed in 14352 which i was using
a while.

This is on Debian/Stretch with OpenJDK 1.8 - 8u181-b13-2~deb9u1
and a cinnamon environment.

A feeling i have is that it happens when there is keyboard input
while a input masks pops up. So typing really quick triggers
it pretty soon. Pressing "alt-a,return" quickly in a row
to add some cached key/values triggers it somehow quick.

The only way out is to restart josm.

Flo
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Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de
UTF-8 Test: The  ran after a , but the  ran away

Remove missing plugins from local josm

[Maarten Deen]

When I start JOSM I get a few warnings about missing plugins:
2020-07-04 10:04:03.485 WARNING: Missing plugin main version in plugin 
annotation-tester
2020-07-04 10:04:03.496 WARNING: Missing plugin main version in plugin 
nearclick
2020-07-04 10:04:03.499 WARNING: Missing plugin main version in plugin 
osmarender
2020-07-04 10:04:03.500 WARNING: Missing plugin main version in plugin 
plastic_laf


When I go to the plugins in the configuraton, only annotation-tester 
shows up, but it is unchecked and it says "annotation-tester: Version 
unknown (local: unknown)". The other three are not even in the list (I 
did download the list and I am viewing all plugins).

How can I clean this up so the messages disappear?

Regards,
Maarten