[lace] Re: Summer projects -- Binche/Flanders

[Tamara P. Duvall]

Hel : )

Am back, though barely, and just catching up with lace (Avital, kindly, 
unsubscribed me from chat when the Major and I came to a 
misunderstanding on the subject of proper procedures g). 132 messages 
for 7 days -- y'all have *not* been making hay while the sun was 
shining, and now the opportunity is gone... :)

Hope everyone else makes it home safely from the convention -- some 
people (like Jeri) had a a really long haul driving home, and the 
weather was foul in spots.

On Sunday, Aug 3, 2003, at 05:08 US/Eastern, Bridget Marrow wrote:

I'm currently working my way through Mary Niven's Flanders Lace, and 
its driving me mad!  I don't really like working from diagrams, and 
find Flanders ground very frustrating - 4 pairs and 6 (count 'em!) 
separate stitches for one pinhole!
In addition to all the most excellent advice you've already got (the 
exchanges of workers for passives and the ring pairs are *the* vital 
bits that carry over from Flanders to Binche -- sometimes , Binche 
being the wild card of laces g -- and try perfecting your Paris 
ground, and don't fret too much about the sequence in which you learn 
the 4-per-pin laces)...

I apologise if someone has already mentioned this and I missed it; I've 
been trying to read through as fast as I could to catch up, so was not 
as careful as usual. The subject of the bitchiness of the Flanders 
ground came up during one of the (early, folks; we were off and running 
at a crack of dawn g) breakfasts.

What none of the books seems to mention (and, apparently, neither do 
most of the teachers of Flanders) is that Flanders ground (whichever 
version of it you do) is, essentially, roseground a rebous -- you 
have *the same stitches*, in the same sequence, as you'd make in any 
roseground (*not* the Danish roseground, which is honeycomb ground in 
the English-speaking world), but you use one pin only.

So, where  --in the roseground as you know it -- you have 4 pins (one 
for each outer corner of the rose), in Flanders ground you have none 
-- you control those holes strictly by tensioning. But, where in the 
roseground you have no pins in the centre (because you don't need 
them), in Flanders ground it's your one port in the storm. Roseground 
in reverse, yes? (it'll take me weeks to get rid of Ulrike Loehr's 
speech patterns -- she's my goddess after the Convention g)

The thing is that, while I have very little use for Paris (not my cup 
o'T), and I had even less for Binche (before Loehr g), I adore 
Flanders, and would like for others to love it too. And I think that 
looking at its ground in this way saves one a lot of frustration.

Yours, still unable to begin the post-convention decompression,
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RE: [lace] time vs pieces

[Pickford Diana]

 And I can add the perfect excuse for buying new bobbins for 
 years - announce to
 the DH who has just told you that you *must* have enough 
 bobbins by now, that
 you're going to make Miss Channer's mat one day.  Of course, 
 the innocent DH
 asks how many do you need for that?   Well, the pattern 
 says at least 250
 pairs...so go to every lace fair you can find, and enjoy yourself!!
 
 Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)

But I have already made Miss Channers mat and DH realises that even if I was
going to make another
I must already have the bobbins, there are so many around the house.
On the other hand if I sneak in the extra one or two He will never be able
to tell!
But to me the bobbins are like looking at a diary of my life
My first lace day...
A birthday present from my aunt...
A lace course...
A holiday in Devon...
The first bobbin my husband brought for me...
A Wedding present...
A gift from a secret pal in Aus...
They all give me such pleasure and so many wonderful memories 
Of course you can never have enough.

Thank you everyone for all the ideas for the 50th anniversary. I will do
something in lace but what ...
Today I will just think about it. It is too hot to do any thing else.

Diana

Berkshire, UK

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[lace] Continental bobbins and bolster pillows

[Annette Gill]

Thanks again for all your suggestions about bobbins and pillows.  If I decide
to try a bolster pillow, does anyone know of a supplier in the UK?  I haven't
yet seen a supplier who sells them  Or do you have to order them from the
continent?

Regards,

Annette (in hot, sticky London - envying those further north who have had
rain!)

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RE: [lace] time vs pieces

[Ruth Budge]

And I can add the perfect excuse for buying new bobbins for years - announce to
the DH who has just told you that you *must* have enough bobbins by now, that
you're going to make Miss Channer's mat one day.  Of course, the innocent DH
asks how many do you need for that?   Well, the pattern says at least 250
pairs...so go to every lace fair you can find, and enjoy yourself!!

Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)
 --- Liz Beecher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Maxine,
 
 You are not doing the true lacemaker process - you go out and buy one pillow
 of every type you can and start a piece of lace on all of them and then do a
 little on each pillow in rotation until you realise that you have no spare
 pillow or spare bobbins which means that you have to go out and buy more.
 
 You never have enough pillows - which is what I said as I bought 4, yes 4 x
 18 dome pillow last autumn.
 
 Regards
 
 Liz Beecher
 Guys, I've been emailing from my work email as I've been on nights and it
 gives me something to do, however, as of monday I start a new job and have
 moved my arachne list membership to one of my other emails
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 -Original Message-
 From: Maxine D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 06 August 2003 21:26
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [lace] time vs pieces
 
 
 Thank you Jane,
 
 I was feeling a bit intimidated by all the lace goings on... I have one
 pillow
 and am such a newbie, I have made one bookmark and a few samples in 12
 months
 ;-)
 
 Maxine D
 N.Z were spring is starting to spring, birds are singing and trees are
 staqrting to bloom, and my fingers are freezing after another frost:-)
 
 
 PS Nearly forgot the obligatory lace content:
 
  Several weeks  is a longish project  Interesting viewpoint
 
 Indeed. I'd say several weeks was an incredibly short project. Over the
 last six years I've averaged one piece of lace per year. I only have one
 piece of work on the go and they've all been pretty small. Its a question
 of how much time available and currently there isn't any.
 
 Ms Jane Read
 
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[lace] Styles of holding bobbins

[Beth Schoenberg]

Hi, all,

I don't make enough bobbin lace to have a preference about Continental 
or E. Midlands techniques of bobbin use;   I guess I stick with the E. 
Midlands ones because that's what I was first taught to use.   As to 
actually working the bobbins, Alice wrote:

snip
When the slightly domed 'cookie' pillow was developed, the spangled 
bobbin was developed to lay better on the pillow. If a person has a
sore thumb or can't squeeze anything, this process is difficult to do 
with comfort or speed.
snip

then Jane wrote:

snip
As to picking up the bobbins - I tend to find that quite often I start 
off picking up between index finger and thumb, but move naturally to
bending my index and middle fingers and picking the bobbin up between 
them.  I haven't had problems with my wrists from making lace, but a 
few years ago when I was working about eight hours a day for a month on 
one of my City  Guilds projects (a Bucks pillow case edging), I had 
RSI type pains in my right shoulder from the movement of taking the 
pins from the pincushion and putting them in place - switching to using 
my left hand for that job helped, but was incredibly difficult to do as 
I am right handed!
snip

Almost the first thing I was taught about bobbin-lacing was to hold the 
hands palm-down and in the shape of a claw.   The bobbins are 
actually picked up in the gaps between the claw-curled four fingers, 
*never* using the thumb to hold a bobbin!   The bobbins roll around a 
bit less this way, but of course the *best* reason is that RSI is just 
not as likely to be a serious problem.   As I say, I don't make enough 
bobbin lace, myself, for RSI to haunt me --- I never looked back once I 
discovered needle-lace  :-D  --- but there it is, if anyone wants to 
try this for their own benefit.

Yours in Lacing,
Beth Schoenberg
-- in beautiful downtown Fisher, Canberra
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[lace] Re: Dorset Arts and Crafts Show

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Wednesday, Aug 13, 2003, at 15:15 US/Eastern, Elizabeth Pass wrote:

She does mostly tape or torchon and likes using Coton Perle 8 as it 
comes in
lovely colours. However we came up against a problem when beginning the
latest project. She saw another embroidery pattern!  This time it is a 
sea
horse, but not possible for her to make as it would have needed Honiton
techniques.  Anyway, I managed to find a simple seahorse pattern for 
her, so
didn't need to create one this time.
There's a lovely pattern of a sea horse (in colours, and not too 
difficult) by Cathleen Belleville (she of the Binche Olive Branches; 
she does complex and simple equally well g) on The Lace Museum site:

http://www.thelacemuseum.org/tlm_patternnew.html

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[lace] A funny website

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[lace] Bloemwork

[Ann-Marie Lrdal]

Hello
I would like to know what bloemwork is, is there some picture out on the
net? I have found books about it but no pictures. There are two classes in
Bloemwork this fall and I would like to know a bit more about before I take
one, I am not got at working things like honiton as the thread are so thin.
Are there anyone who can tell me?
Yours
Ann-Marie
 http://community.webshots.com/user/annma1

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[lace] Bolster Pillow

[Linda Walton]

Dear Lacemakers,

coming in very late on the discussion of bolster pillows for making Bucks
point lace, I'd just like to tell you about mine.

It's about 18 long and 10 in diameter, and it's made of some sort of
plastic foam.  Unfortunately I can't tell you the manufacturer - assuming
it's marked, because that would mean unstitching the cover.  But I bought it
from D.J.Hornsby, (some years ago now - I've a feeling they don't supply
such equipment any more), and I'd bet it was made by S.N.P., (who don't seem
to have them on their list either).

As it's so light, I was worried that it might shift about in a standard
bolster pillow holder.  My husband made me an oblong wooden frame which
attaches to my stand instead of the usual pillow support.  I made padded
sleeves for the two long sides and that seems to provide enough friction to
hold the pillow in place, although I also got a couple of pieces of webbing
and clamps to put around the whole thing while I still needed a visual
source of security.  For transport, it goes back in the large cardboard
box - Best Bananas - in which it arrived, with a piece of bubble wrap
around the whole pillow, which overlaps so as to be double over the working
area and bobbins.

However, I can tell you that it's a delight to work with, the surface seems
to agree with the Bucks lace, and I've been collecting Bucks thumpers to use
on it.

Yours sincerely,
Linda Walton,
(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.,
where it's almost cool enough to think about making lace again).

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[lace] Ricci Vol 1

[Tess1929]

Again, thanks to you all for your comments and encouragement.   I know a 
little about lace, but not anything about computers, so when something doesn't 
look right to me I hesitate to tell the Professor what I am thinking.

However, armed with your emails, I told him that his first efforts wouldn't 
do (well, I was nicer than that), and he worked some more magic and came up 
with work that is quite acceptable (his term).

And fortunately for me, Jeri was here this afternoon and was able to look 
over the results of his work and has passed on it.   We compared the page in the 
book with the two versions of his processing, and we saw that the detail now 
available corresponds very well with the written page.

So here you go--Volume 1 of Elissa Ricci's Old Italian Lace: it is under 
Books on   the web site:   http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html

And don't forget, this will all be on CD 2.

But first, I have to finish Volume 2.   I'm about halfway through.

Tess
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[lace] jetlag

[nicky.h-townsend]

Hi Ilske
Sorry to hear your suffering from jet lag. We arrived back from California
and have suffered no effects of jet lag - we all took a homeopathic remedy
called No Jetlag which we bought at San Francisco airport, it is from New
Zealand and worked a treat. Hope your suitcase has caught up with you too.
Looking forward to hearing about the convention.

Nicky in sunny Suffolk

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[lace] Re: Nottingham book on ebay

[Brenda Paternoster]

On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 02:41 PM, Clay wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2339278080

The seller has listed what appears to be a paperback book by
Pamela Nottingham on Bobbin Lace Making.   The cover
suggests that this is an older book, although the lister
doesn't give us the publication date.
No, it's a more recent version of the one that had the orange coloured 
cover (paperback and hardback versions).  My (orange paperback) copy is 
dated 1983.

Brenda

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Re: [lace] Re: Velvet stops the bobbins rolling

[Barb E TX]

Thank you for answering that question, ClayI had asked earlier.

I think Adele may have something  abut he climate affecting the cover
cloths.  I am certainly aware of it with the various threadsso why not.
Good thinking, Adele.
 I will try the ultra suede...and maybe a new piece of courduroy!

While I am here,  I LOVE continental bobbins.big hands, big bobbins and
I like the bulb.
Thanks again, lacers, all
BarbE
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From: Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Adele Shaak [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Velvet stops the bobbins rolling


 Another excellent material for a cover cloth is ultra
 suede.  This is a man-made fabric which is wonderful for
 cushioning the bobbins, slowing down the rolling, and
 generally making the pillow feel very nice to work on.  And
 it doesn't get caught in the threads either.

 Clay

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 From: Adele Shaak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Velvet stops the bobbins rolling


  On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 07:03 AM, Carol Adkinson
 wrote:
 
velvet is *not* a good fabric to use as cover cloth or
 pillow cloth or
   for anything near to the threads, as the fibre nap from
 the velvet can
   get
   into the threads.
 
  I used my velveteen-covered roller pillow for 20 years and
 did not have
  this problem. Another pillow cover I have is of mid-wale
 corduroy,
  which also stops the bobbins rolling - I think even better
 than the
  velvet/velveteen. I have used that pillow for some years
 without any
  problems, either.
 
  I wonder if many years ago somebody didn't just get a
 rotten piece of
  velvet, told everybody she knew, and the story became a
 lacemaking myth.
 
  Adele
  North Vancouver, BC
  (west coast of Canada)
 
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[lace] Lint and dust on pillows

[Jean Nathan]

A small and useful item for removing dust and lint from pillows is the round
brush that fits in the palm of the hand intended for cleaning the compost
off mushrooms. Lakeland, at least, used to sell one.

Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace] A report from the Professor

[Toni Hawryluk]

 Here is the lace URL for those who don't have it yet:
 http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html

 And for my part, the first volume of Ricci has been scanned: on to the
second!
 Tess

Many thanks, Tess (and The Professor !)
and particularly for reminding me about the
'direct' URL to lace - *this* time when I
'bookmarked' it, I *didn't* 'hide it' in my
lace folder - it's one click less to 'get it' !

Toni in Seattle
(who has been forced to 'organize' her
favorite bookmarks because some are
more favorite than others)

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Re: [lace] hand whittled bobbin on ebay

[Laceandbits]

In a message dated 08/08/03 09:35:55 GMT Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 How does the seller know this bobbin was hand whittled? 

Looks turned to me.  I don't think any of my this old bobbins are still 
spherical, but maybe they're all whittled!  They all have flat areas because they 
get picked up by the same bit all the time.  Funny thing is, none of my 
modern bobbins show this amount of wear yet.  I obviously spend too much time 
admiring them instead of moving them; but I know I'll still be able to eat next 
week even if I don't.
Jacquie

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[lace] Hello from a lurker

[debbie]

I joined some time ago and have been lurking, reading the digest.  I most 
enjoy reading about your current projects and seeing photos of your 
work.  I am not a lacemaker, but I love reading about it, looking at 
pictures, buying and collecting, and using it!  I have crocheted (among 
other things) since I was a young child and made some pieces of crocheted 
lace now and then.

Within the past year I decided that I'd like to learn tatting.  About six 
months ago I bought a tatting shuttle.  I would rather learn shuttle 
tatting than needle tatting, as I feel the needle tatting is too much like 
crochet.  I have seen loads of sites with instructions on tatting, but they 
don't do anything for me.  I need to see someone actually doing it in 
person.  Where I am, in Jerusalem, there is not exactly an abundance of 
fine needlework teachers around.  I'm hoping that Avital might be reading 
this and would be able to steer me to someone in the Jerusalem area who 
could teach me shuttle tatting.

I have a question.  I do a lot of lace watching on ebay.  I recently came 
across the following two auctions that made me wonder about something.  How 
can you tell, by looking at photos such as the ones in these auction, if a 
lace is handmade or machine made?  The seller claims that they are 
handmade, but they look just like pieces of lace that I have that are 
machine made.  At least I'm pretty sure that the ones that I have are 
machine made, by the price that I've paid for them!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2548022631category=2219

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2548023820category=2219

Good night,

Debbie in Jerusalem 

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[lace] Re: [not lace] Re: Lovebirds

[Toni Hawryluk]

 (perhaps it should be a requirement that an editor of a lace-related
magazine should be a Deborah or a version of the name? g)

Oops - 'another country heard from' -
Bev is doing wonders with the Canadian
Lace Gazette, thank you . . .

 The design (I got the second, BTW and, from all I've heard, the public
 was *again* in agreement with the judges

They knew what was good for them . . . hehehehehe !!

 I'll be sending off the photos of both versions to an e-pal in Venice,
 who'll -- hopefully -- add them to my album; that's where most of my
 original designs live, since I do not have a website of my own

Well, modesty becomes anyone, but
I can't find the URL in my lace e-file,
so would you please send it to me
privately ???

 I'm quite pleased with it myself, even if it is more
 sentimental than my usual fare :)

Aw, g'wan wid ye - we all know you're
basically 'hearts and flowers' !

Toni in Seattle

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[lace] Canadian hankdkerchief linen

[Jean Nathan]

I know it's in the UK and not in Canada, but I got superb service from
Wolfin Textiles Ltd, who are currently advertising in 'Lace'. I actually
found them on the web. I was looking for something fine but stiff on which
to tack an old fan leaf to keep it stable. I emailed saying what I wanted to
do and they sent me samples of what they thought might be suitable by
return. I made my choice, paid by credit card and got the goods the next
day.

Wolfin Textiles Ltd
359 Uxbridge Road
Hatch End
Middlesex
HA5 4JN
Tel: 020 8428 9911/9955
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web: www.wolfintextiles.co.uk

Usual disclaimers.

Jean in Poole

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[lace] Re: IOLI

[Ilske und Peter Thomsen]

Hello everybody,
After sleeping about 10 hours tonight I awoke at my normal time and I am
fine. My suitecase arrived yesterday afternoon so everything is still in
order.
I had a wonderful time with all the wonderful lacemaking-people. It was very
interesting for me how you handle such an Convention there are several
differences. Everything was organized very well. My class with Pompy was
very good. The exhibition was very interesting, so many different lace-works
all so beautiful done. For me the old lace-fan was the most attractive
thing. Our tour to Manhattan was also very fine, all this expressing laces
at the MMA. I can't mention all what pleased me during this days. Also all
the wonderful chats with people from the list and others too especially with
Jeri, Devon, Tamara, Jean, Pompy and a lot other nice people. Thank you all
for the fine time I could spend with you.
Greetings from Ilske in very hot and dry (nature is suffering a lot) Hamburg
in Germany

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re: [lace] Canadian handkerchief linen (long)

[Bev Walker]

As well as forcing oneself to come out to Victoria BC to shop at The Irish
Linen Shop (when the rest of Canada is in mid-winter, would be nice) here
are a couple of possibilities - I did a quick google for 'hanky
linen Canada'

http://www.carola.ca/index7.html

http://www.berlinembroidery.com/fabrics.htm

There are other sources in our vast fair land; you'll have to
nose around, try googling for it using crafts that would also use hanky
linen, such as dolls, miniatures, embroidery, home decorating, wedding.

Don't rule out ordering from the UK or Europe. Postage on lightweight
items isn't usually very much, and could even be cheaper than domestic
rates in Canada - as you're probably aware our domestic rates are
according to thickness of parcel, then weight, whereas other countries
might go by weight first (it's our splendid sorting machines - at least
they've been fast lately). By credit card is most direct, but I
routinely order by post, with an int'l m.o. - yah, the m.o. might cost a
few bucks, and you take a risk of having to pay 'more' at customs;
that's the cost of doing business, but worth it if it is something you
really want. If the packet is small, and not valued very high, you won't
have to pay - for the duty-free parameters, go here (in my experience
sometimes a higher value packet slips through unimpeded).
http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/customs/business/importing/courier/postal/ind_duty_free-e.html

I did another search for 'handkerchief linen' - interesting info at this
US site:
http://www.classactfabrics.com/linen/linen_fabric.htm

and possibilities via a Canadian site to do with weddings:
http://www.nuanceoccasions.com/

Brenda is right, though, sew the lace to the fabric, hem/finish fabric
later, or at the same time, depending on how you want to attach the
lace.

Of course, keep an eye on Value Village etc., and check out Wally's Mart
- I bought some very nice lightweight cotton with gently polished look,
and the palest apricot tinge, perfect for a Beds. lace edging I'd made
in brown thread. The combination might sound yucky, but visually it
works. The fabric is perfect - I could check it for feel, first, and the
1/2 metre I bought had plenty of playing room for pulling threads to
square it, and it wasn't expensive. You might get lucky and find
something in at a fabric shop (Fabricland, or a place that sells wedding
fabrics).

I have deleted the digest that contained the original post, from Heather I
think - contact me privately for more specific Canadian info.

bye for now

Bev in Sooke, BC, on a really nice summer day in the garden- winding
bobbins for...heh heh...a Tigne lace (ok it's only a sample, it's on my
bolster pillow, and by tonight I will be tired of it and wanting to go
back to my Flanders)

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[lace] Re: Convention

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Saturday, Aug 9, 2003, at 22:30 US/Eastern, Kenn Van-Dieren wrote:

Arrived home tonight at 10:15 pm after a 325 mile drive.  The 
convention was
great and the reports should be arriving soon from the attendees.  My 
new
earring received mixed comments but that was expected.
It was a super earring (a small lace doily, pleated to form a sort of a 
fan), but I still think you should have removed the blue price tag from 
it g

Glad you made it home in one piece

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Lexington, Virginia,  USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
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Re: [lace] Re: Canadian hankie Blanks

[Adele Shaak]

Sorry I can't help with Canadian sourcing, but you should be looking 
at
yardage fabric or maybe a good quality man's hankie which you can cut 
down.
I think that if anyone had a Canadian source, he would have
posted by now.
I answered privately, but it just occurred to me that others may want 
this information, too. Yes, you can get hankie blanks in Canada - very 
nice ones in 8, 9, 10 and perhaps 8.5 (I can't quite remember) 
squares from The Irish Linen Store in Victoria, BC.  Some of us stocked 
up in June when we were at the PNWC conference.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)
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Re: [lace] summer/winter projects

[Clay Blackwell]

Hi Diana -

Tamara is off at IOLI and can't defend herself here (vbg) so
I'm going to take advantage of the opportunity to say that
you might really want to have a look at her beautiful new
design, the Lovebirds.  T's designs are primarily Milanese
and she works very hard to develop diagrams and written
instructions to help complete the project.  And best yet,
she is very generous in making her designs available via
internet.  This new design is her entry in the IOLI
competition this year, and I suppose we will learn (Friday?)
who the winners are.

You may want to contact her next week when she has gotten
home.  I expect that this will become her most popular
design to date!

Clay

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Subject: Re: [lace] summer/winter projects


 I am currently working on a lovely round Beds/Cluny mat
designed by Margaret
 Tite.
 It is great to work on, hard enough to keep you thinking
but not too testing
 that you can't
 be bothered in this heat.
 I am half way round so starting to think about the next
project.

 It is my parents 50th Wedding anniversary next year so
would like to make
 something special
 for them.
 Any suggestions?
 I love making Beds, Bucks and Torchen but have also done a
little Milanese.
 I have untill July so should have enough time.

 Diana

 Berkshire, UK
 Where it is so hot the air conditioning at work has given
up completely.

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Re: [lace] Re: Velvet stops the bobbins rolling

[Adele Shaak]

On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 07:03 AM, Carol Adkinson wrote:

 velvet is *not* a good fabric to use as cover cloth or pillow cloth or
for anything near to the threads, as the fibre nap from the velvet can 
get
into the threads.
I used my velveteen-covered roller pillow for 20 years and did not have 
this problem. Another pillow cover I have is of mid-wale corduroy, 
which also stops the bobbins rolling - I think even better than the 
velvet/velveteen. I have used that pillow for some years without any 
problems, either.

I wonder if many years ago somebody didn't just get a rotten piece of 
velvet, told everybody she knew, and the story became a lacemaking myth.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)
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[lace] Was time vs. pieces, now bobbbins

[Catherine Hill]

Liz and Diana both mentioned having favorite bobbins
and knowing the memories that go along with them.  I
feel the same way about my bobbin collection.  My
mother is a lacer which has its advantages.  The
Easter bunny doesn't put a lot of chocolate in my
basket, but I usually get a pair of bobbins.  And yes,
I like to use my Easter bobbins together.  I have a
pair of bobbins that my mother in law gave me for
Christmas this past year.  They are special to me,
because after showing her a midlands bobbin, she went
on the web to find a pair which she thought I'd like
to completely surprise me.  It's amazing how many
memories can attach themselves to a little piece of
wood or bone.

Cathy in Newark, DE
who is awaiting the birth of her firstborn and trying
to figure out a bobbin to commemorate the event.

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Re: [lace] Was time vs. pieces, now bobbbins

[Beth McCasland]

Cathy in Deleware wrote: who is awaiting the birth of her firstborn and trying to 
figure out a bobbin to commemorate the event.

A mother  babe bobbin of course!

Beth McCasland
Metairie, Louisiana, USA
where it's supposed to be hot  muggy again today, with a chance of thundershowers.

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Re: [lace] Re: Velvet stops the bobbins rolling

[Barb E TX]

Gee. Adele..maybe I just a linty person.  I love using the courdury, but
green lint was on the threads.  Admittedly this was years ago, but I loved
that fabric.  Oh well I do not have too much of a problem with  rolling,
anyway.

Thanks for the info, ladies.  BarbE


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Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Velvet stops the bobbins rolling


 On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 07:03 AM, Carol Adkinson wrote:

   velvet is *not* a good fabric to use as cover cloth or pillow cloth or
  for anything near to the threads, as the fibre nap from the velvet can
  get
  into the threads.

 I used my velveteen-covered roller pillow for 20 years and did not have
 this problem. Another pillow cover I have is of mid-wale corduroy,
 which also stops the bobbins rolling - I think even better than the
 velvet/velveteen. I have used that pillow for some years without any
 problems, either.

 I wonder if many years ago somebody didn't just get a rotten piece of
 velvet, told everybody she knew, and the story became a lacemaking myth.

 Adele
 North Vancouver, BC
 (west coast of Canada)

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[lace] Re: Adhesives for fans

[Brenda Paternoster]

On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 02:41 PM, Jane wrote:

My understanding is that gum arabic is a traditional paste used for
paper and fabrics.
Gum arabic is also the main binding agent in watercolour paints.

Brenda - who's been in Gravesend all day; officially the hottest part of 
the country today at 36C - 97F

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[lace] Making tallies

[Jean Nathan]

There's a whole lot of information on making leaves and tallies from past
discussions on Arachne on Lori's web site:

http://lace.lacefairy.com/Gallery/Makingleaves.html

Jean in Poole

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[lace] one-handed lacing

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone

I'm impressed with the description of the lacemaker working the bobbins
with one hand and putting pins with the other - it is efficient for speed,
eliminates a lot of the movements we use with two hands. The bobbin
lacemaker is a technician.

Areas of ground were made without placing pins - probably faster to do so
with just the one hand? I'm going to try that (my Midlands bobbins have
been idle while my attention has been on Tigne and Flanders...tsk!). The
flatter pillow or broad bolster would be conducive to this method.

To give one of my hands a rest, or if I *must* make lace and the other
hand is holding the cordless phone g I, too, use one hand to move the
bobbins. In this  case the same hand also puts the pins, so there is a
certain amount of stopping and starting.

How would you make a tally?
-- 
bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt912

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[lace] conventioneer on David Letterman?

[Dmt11home]

Despite my best efforts to get David Letterman to cover the Tat-Off, it did 
not happen. However, now word has reached me that on Thursday night a male 
audience member at the Letterman show identified himself as being in town for the 
lace convention which was related to his work. Does anyone know who this was?
Devon 

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Re: [lace] Continental bobbins - long

[Ann-Marie Lördal]

I don´t work the lace by putting my hands under the bobbins. I work from the
upside like with midlands and honiton. There are other kinds of lace that
use the hands under the bobbins, when they are hanging from the pillow.
Ann-Marie

 Bobbins range from 3 to 6 with every type of shape and carving.  We tend
 to class them as Midlands (narrow dowels with spangles) or Continentals
 (dowel center with bulb on the end).  On bolster pillows, and greatly
 curved domes, the bobbins hang down loosely.  There is no support for
 them.  The bobbins developed with a bulb on the end to provide weight
 and probably better control. The lace is worked by putting the hands UNDER
 the bobbins and moving them. For tensioning, the threads or dowels go
 between the fingers while the bulbs do not.  Threads can be tensioned

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[lace] Re bolsters

[Diana Smith]

I have both types of old East Midlands pillows, the large bolster and
square, using them mostly for demo's, I find them a joy to use, there is
plenty of area for working on, the only problem for the modern lacemaker
being the weight, they are extremely heavy for transportation.
A bow fronted horse can be used but it is not totally safe to leave the
pillow on unattended, and the single horse is really only a prop for the
pillow during work. 
Having said that many of the old South Bucks workers using a
bolster and thumpers did not use a pillow horse, the pillow rested in the
lap and they worked by manipulating  the bobbins with their left hand while
moving the pins with the right, or visa versa.
Diana (Northamptonshire, UK)

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Re: [lace] Re: Handmade??

[alice howell]

At 10:47 AM 8/9/2003 +0100, you wrote:
There are exceptions to every rule;Machine made half stitch generally 
has vertical and diagonal threads, handade BL has horizontal and diagonal 
threads in the half stitch, but  's Gravenmoer lace (handmade BL) has half 
stitch with vertical and diagonal threads.


True, 's Gravenmoer has half stitch with vertical and diagonal threads.
However.the slope of the diagonal is different from Torchon and machine
halfstitch.  The slope is not at 45 degrees.  It's less because it's a
denser halfstitch with two rows of action where Torchon (or machine) has
one row.

That brings me back to one point in my previous discussion.  A person must
learn the 'look' of handmade lace and the techniques used to create certain
effects.  Armed with this knowledge, machine imitations can often be
identified.  (Note -- I didn't say 'always.  There are a few machine laces
that try the patience of even the experts.)

Keep making lace.


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[lace] Hal my computer is ailing terrible....but please read on

[Celtic Dream Weaver]

   I can not use my computer at this moment and am actually on my daughter's computer 
to send this. My computer has a major problem that will have to be fixed. In the 
meanwhile...I have a favor to ask the list
   One...those of you that can make square tallies well,could you please send me an 
email on how you make them. MIne squares end up smaller at the bottom than the top. I 
would like to be able to improve on them. And info on making leaves wouldn't hurt 
either.
   Also..two, please post about the IOLI convention or send me emails privately for I 
would love to read about your adventures since I couldn't go. I will read my mail 
sometime everyday...so it would be nice to have something to read for the short amount 
of time that I will have on a computer.
   Thank you so much in advancethis is going to just about kill me in the 
meanwhile ..me, not being able to use my computer, I do other things on it besides 
just reading and sending mail...making files...pictures that I can't save 
now...diagrams I can't do. Scanning I can't do either. Thankfully I do regularily save 
my files to CDs...so I will not be loosing them.
   Me who will be having withdrawl almost.
Sherry
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[lace] Handmade????

[Jean Nathan]

Not being anything like an expert in telling hand-made from machine-made
lace. These two pieces just don't have the feel, if you know what I mean,
of hand made. The yardages being sold also make me suspicious.

Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace] Thanks for the answers

[Ruth Budge]

Dear Debbie,

Some lacemakers take other crafts to do when away from home - but for those of
us who just can't survive without our daily dose of lacemaking, there are
smaller pillows, some of which fold up into the size and shape of an
average-size handbag, which are called travel pillows.  

Most of these smaller pillows are only suitable for doing straight lengths of
lace, rather than collars or squares etc., and the size of the working area,
such as a roller, also limit the width of the piece which can be made on them,
but its quite possible to work a piece of lace 2 or 3 inches wide on most of
them.

You might also see that some suppliers sell what are known as travel bobbins
- they are smaller than usual, and made especially for use on the smaller
travel pillows.

Kind regards,
Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)
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are exclusively fine lacemakers. My impression is that lace pillows/rolls are 
heavy and bulky. When you travel, what do you take along that is reasonable
portable?

Thanks again for enhancing my learning experience.

Debbie in Jerusalem

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Re: [lace] Problem with old hay filled pillow

[Barbara Ballantyne]

Dear Jo
The conservation department of our Powerhouse Museum here in Sydney
Australia advise putting such things in a commercial freezer for a week or
so.

A domestic freezer with temperatures that vary is not suitable as the
changes in temperature allow the insects to adapt.  A butcher's or other
commercial freezer is usually suitable.  I hope this helps.

Best Wishes

Barbara Ballantyne in sunny Sydney

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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: [lace] Problem with old hay filled pillow


 Dear friends,
 I've been lurking for quite a few months now and have enjoyed the posts.
But I now have a small problem.  I've just finished a piece of lace and
while I was working on it, I noticed a few tiny little insects running
around on my pillow.  This is my only pillow (at the moment) and I made it
about 18 years ago at school.  (What a lucky girl I was, my needlework
teacher, Mrs Collins, was a bobbin lace maker and she taught the 2 of us
that were interested, instead of embroidery!)  The pillow was made with a
hardboard base and a cover which was stuffed with chopped up hay/straw
(can't remember which).  Unfortunately, I get hay fever, so my friends at
school had to stuff it for me, and even now, if I haven't used it for a
couple of years, I get the sneezes for a few days of use!
 I hadn't noticed these insects before,  but recently I've been lace making
non stop for about 8 months (instead of picking it up and putting it down
for a year!!), so I noticed them.
 Is there any way of getting rid of them without destroying the pillow?
 I'd be very grateful for any advice.
 Many thanks,
 Jo in hot, sunny and humid Cyprus (but then again, it's alway hot, sunny
and humid in Cyprus in the summer, unlike the UK!! VBG)




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[lace] Kleinhout pillows

[Clay Blackwell]

A few days ago, a number of us were talking about the
Kleinhout pillows, made in The Netherlands.  At least one
Arachnid has one of these pillows and said she loves it.  It
seems reasonably priced, is lightweight, has wool felt in
the blocks (sandwiching a foam core...) and is comes in an
oval configuration, (as well as a round one), eliminating
the problem of the corners poking you in the tummy.  The
website also mentioned that for people outside the E.U.
there is a 19% discount - which piqued the interest of a lot
of us!!

But the big question was, how much would shipping be to the
US?  So I wrote and asked.  They confirmed that I would
indeed get a 19% discount (which amounts to the VAT paid by
EU residents), and that the shipping would be (Euro) 22.

So the bottom line is that for a 24 X 30 block pillow,
after discount is taken and after shipping is added, and
then converted to US currency, the pillow would cost about
$100, give or take a few dollars in fluctuation of currency.
The smaller oval and the round pillows are less.

And yes, they accept credit cards - but you'll either have
to write (snail mail) or send the numbers in a series of
emails.

  http://www.kleinhout.com/GB/lacepillows/index.html

Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA

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Re: [lace] Reef knot for broken thread

[Barb E TX]

**Thank you **for sending this, Jean!!!
 It is the BEST knot and I use it even when not lacing.  It is great  for
adding new beading threads.  (*note, if thread is waxed it will not work,
remove wax)

I am *so glad* to have the diagram ,as I have tried to explain it before
,and it takes about 4 pages!   ;-D)))

I would have to say that learning this knot ranks in the top 10 of hints
that I have learned from lacing.

BarbE   USA
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 Michelle wrote:

 Years ago someone on Arachne posted a clear picture and instructions
 somewhere on the 'net about how to do the reef knot method with third
hand,
 when you have a broken thread. 

 Don't know if this is what your looking for - the diagram of the weavers
 knot is certainly clear:

 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/1404/weavknot.gif

 Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace] Continental bobbins - long

[alice howell]

At 11:31 AM 8/9/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Can anyone who has experience of using Continental bobbins tell me whether
they are easier to pick up and handle than Midlands bobbins?


I think we need to go to the basics here, and think carefully.  Over the
centuries, there have been many shapes/styles of bobbins and pillows
developed.  It is interesting to look at pictures from different places
showing the lacemakers at work.  Pillows are bolsters--both large and
small, large donut shaped --worked around the edge, flat with squares that
move around, slightly domed and broad, greatly domed almost like a ball,
rollers (small bolster within a support area), and variations in each
style.

Bobbins range from 3 to 6 with every type of shape and carving.  We tend
to class them as Midlands (narrow dowels with spangles) or Continentals
(dowel center with bulb on the end).  On bolster pillows, and greatly
curved domes, the bobbins hang down loosely.  There is no support for
them.  The bobbins developed with a bulb on the end to provide weight
and probably better control. The lace is worked by putting the hands UNDER 
the bobbins and moving them. For tensioning, the threads or dowels go
between the fingers while the bulbs do not.  Threads can be tensioned
without stress 
to the fingers.  

When the slightly domed 'cookie' pillow was developed, the spangled bobbin
was developed to lay better on the pillow.  It's easier to work with this
bobbin style from the top which means the bobbins must be picked up and
put down.  If a person has a sore thumb or can't squeeze anything, this
process is difficult to do with comfort or speed.

Yes, I have been ignoring Honiton bobbins.  Honiton is worked on a ball
type pillow with the bobbins hanging like on bolster pillows.  However,
all the sewings are easier with a bobbin that will slide through a loop
smoothly.  The bulb on the continental was changed to a point.  With very
fine thread, there is still enough weight in the bobbin to hold the thread
correctly.  Malmsbury bobbins were similar only didn't need the points
since Malmsbury lace is a straight lace--but done on a mounded pillow
with very fine thread.

Modern lacemakers are often attracted to the modern Midlands bobbins
because they are so colorful and decorative.  The modern beads can be
a treat to the eyes, and the variety of ways the bobbins are decorated
can be mindboggling.  They are a collector's dream.

BUT --- you knew there would be a 'but'---Midlands are not always the
best bobbins for a type of lace or a particular lacemaker.  While I have
lots of Midlands, and enjoy seeing all the types and styles and colors,
there are days my arthritic fingers cannot handle them very well.  I keep
finding myself using more of the continentals -- especially those with a
bit of width to them, such a Bayeaux bobbins.  Also, I use alot of odd
bobbins that are not really either Midlands or Continental, such as the
large square bobbins (sold by Van Sciver and others).

If someone is having problems with the flattish cookie pillow and Midlands,
using a bolster with continentals (and working hands-up) might be a viable
solution.

To save the cost of investing in alot of bobbins/pillows just to try them,
contact your local area group to see if someone can loan a variety of
bobbins to try.  Someone might even have a bolster pillow to try.

We need someone with experience on a bolster pillow to speak up now.
Anyone with hand problems using continentals successfully?

Happy lacing,

Alice in Oregon - 9400 lightning strikes in 24 hrs.  65 fires.
Oregon Country Lacemakers  
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Re: [lace] Continentals

[Katrina Worley]

On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 11:41  PM, Annette Gill wrote:

I was also interested in the description of RA as inflaming the 
ligaments etc
around the joints.  The rheumatologist who dealt with my RSI 18 months 
ago
found I had high levels of rheumatoid factor in my blood, but said 
there was
no other indicator of RA.  But I wonder if it is a factor in my 
problems -
although the RSI was originally tendonitis in  my right wrist/forearm 
caused
by mouse-clicking, at its worst it seems to affect many
ligaments/tendons/muscles in both forearms and wrists.  I'm encouraged 
that so
many people here have problems with their hands but still manage to 
make
lace!

A little clarification... there are over 175 different forms of 
arthritis. They can loosely be divided into osteoarthritis and 
inflammatory arthritis. RA is one type of inflammatory arthritis, I 
have another.  RA destroys the synovial lining in the joints- this is 
what leads to the deformity of the joints.  My particular form of 
arthritis is one in which the joints themselves are not directly 
affected, but the tendons and ligaments around the joints are inflamed. 
The treatment for most of the inflammatory forms of arthritis are 
similar; anti-inflammatory and disease modifying anti-rheumatic drugs 
(DMARDS). I don't have RA, but the drugs I take are the same ones used 
to treat RA.

One of the things that arthritis of any sort will do is to lead to a 
loss of range of motion.  This is the worst thing that can happen.  As 
the pain increases, the tendency is to not move- this causes the joints 
to become less mobile, which increases the pain when moving, creating a 
vicious circle.  It's important to keep the joints moving.  The problem 
is that some activities can put extra strain on the joints which can do 
further damage.  The trick is to find an activity that allows for 
gentle motion without causing more injury.  Lace is good for that.  
The bobbins aren't heavy, the motion isn't severe, but it is motion.  
One of the first things I had to give up when my arthritis became 
active was making baskets.  The strength needed to push and pull the 
rows into position caused horrible swelling in my hands.

Katrina

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Re: [lace] Download time vs quality etc.

[Bev Walker]

Tess asked

What do people think about all of this?   Download size vs. detail quality?
My thought is that he could post it as he now has it, and then take the
finished set and make a separate CD out of it.   Both volumes brought up to
good detail would just fill a CD.

My thoughts exactly - better to make the less definite available for
download (not everyone has, nor wants, high speed access), and better to
invest in a CD with the best detail quality.

Hats off to all involved in making these treasure accessible to us.

bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (foggy west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt912

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[lace] Brilliant Bucks

[DayHolt]

This is a Call for lace. We are having an exhibition at The Lace Guild on 
Bucks Point which is being called Brilliant Bucks. We have some splendid old 
lace in our Collection , plus some lace made recently from old prickings. 
There are some very clever lacemakers about and some of their work has come to us. 
However we would like some Bucks point lace of a contempory nature.We have a 
couple of scarves and two round motifs designed and made by CG students. We 
would like more though. So if you have designed and made something suitable and 
would be willing to lend it to us from September till just after Christmas we 
would like to hear from you. If you could send me a scan or a photo we can 
judge whether it would be suitable. Unmounted pieces would be best. Well no 
glass anyway and the postage on sending and returning pictures to or from 
Australia, Canada or the States etc probably wouldn't be worth it on this occasion. We 
have to reserve the right not to show something if we do not have room. those 
of you who have visited The Guild know our exhibition room is small but the 
items we display are well worth seeing if you are any where near Stourbridge. 
So fellow lacemakers I look forward to you contacting me directly with your 
pictures.
Ann Day (in her Assistant to the Honorary Curator of The Lace Guild hat !!! ) 
 

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[lace] Reef Knot for Broken Threads

[Ian Chelle Long]

Gidday all,

Years ago someone on Arachne posted a clear picture and instructions
somewhere on the 'net about how to do the reef knot method with third hand,
when you have a broken thread.  I've lost my picture and did a search and
came up with nothing. Can anyone remember where it was located?

Michelle
an Aussie living in South Africa


Ian  Chelle Long
+27 35 788 0777

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Re: [lace] Handling bobbins

[ann DURANT]

I resisted commenting the first time the name appeared, but I can keep quiet
no longer!  There can only be one H Massingham - Harold Massingham was a
student at Manchester University at the same time as me - early to mid-50s.
I never knew what he was studying - I didn't actually ask, but he wrote
poetry, and his hero was Dylan Thomas, and he consequently drank like Dylan
Thomas.  One day, he announced that he was giving up drinking for a month -
just to show that he could - and he stood in the Union bar drinking tomato
juice for the whole of February!

For a period of time we had a wall in common, as we occupied adjacent
bed-sits in a house in Didsbury, and shared a bathroom.  One Sunday, around
midday, he appeared at the door of my room, waving a tin-opener
ineffectually around a tin of corned beef, and asked me if I could open it
for him.  He looked so pathetic, that I invited him in to share the meal my
boyfriend and I were about to sit down to.  He stayed the rest of the day,
smoking his way through all my cigarettes.  When they were finished he
announced that he was going to buy some cigarettes, and did I want him to
get some for me?!!  (This trip to the shops coincided with my telling him
that it was his turn to wash up!)

We saved the washing up for him - he wasn't very pleased about that, but he
did it - singing Rock of Ages all the way through!

About 25 years later, when I was on the Recreation and Arts Committee on
Greater Manchester Council, I found his name on a list of grant-aided
events, listed under Poets in Schools - so he must have made it as a poet.

Ann in Manchester, UK
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Marjorie also mentions a bit more about a quotation in her collection by H.
Massingham (not a name I am familiar with) describing a similar method of
working.  Very interesting.

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[lace] Re Handling bobbins

[Diana Smith]

I believe the book Marjory is quoting from is 'Country Relics' Described by
H.J. Massingham, published in 1939 by Cambridge University Press. It is a
delightful chapter with line drawings of a lacemaker working at her pillow
another of assorted bobbins and a third of a pillow and horse, winder and
lacemakers globe.
I believe Mr Massingham built his own little museum to contain his
collection, in his orchard, which he called the Hermitage.
Diana (Northamptonshire, UK)

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Fw: [lace] Download time vs quality for book reproduction

[Sue Babbs]

 Tess, I'm with you!
 I think for us, quality is important.

I agree with Annette - as lacemakers we really want to be able to see the details.
Quality is very important.

Thanks so much for all that you do Tess
Sue

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[lace] Lace Trails

[Maxine D]

The organiser of the Rotorua (N.Z.) Lace Trails would like me to notify any
Kiwi's on the list that the 5th Annual Lace Trails day will be held in
Rotorua on September 13th, 9:30 a.m. - 3:00 p.m.
The tutors will be  Lynette Macdonald and Christine Lewis.
 They will be teaching three different patterns in needle lace and a choice
of two bookmarks in Bedfordshire bobbin lace, one with 8 pairs and a more
advanced one using 18 pairs, respectively.

The cost of the day will be $15.

For further information contact Carol Andrews at
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This day is organised by a local group of lacers, most of whom are members
of the N. Z. Lace Guild.

Regards
Maxine from a very spring like corner of N. Z. ... until the rain hits
tomorrow :-)

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[lace] Re: Lovebirds

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Wednesday, Aug 6, 2003, at 17:42 US/Eastern, Liz Beecher wrote:

Does Tamara sell her designs and if so, how do we get to see them and 
buy
them?
OK, now that I'm back, and the Convention competition hoopla is over 
(Janice Blair -- another Arachnean -- got the first for her *superb* 
Mardigras mask in the form of a swan and, for once, the judges and the 
public were in agreement :) Congratulations to Janice), I can divulge.

I do not sell my designs -- my DH keeps me in style and in lacemaking 
tools, so I don't have to. The pattern for the Lovebirds (the official 
title was With this Ring...) will be published in an IOLI Bulletin -- 
don't yet know which issue. The pattern directions are for the 
white/gold version, but I took the full-colour version with me (with 
the only gold being in the ring) and Debra (Bulletin's editor) 
photographed it too, to include in the same issue -- just to show you 
one of the possible options.

So, *subscribe to IOLI*, and you'll get the pattern and instructions. 
With Debra as the editor, the Bulletin is getting better and better, 
just as the Lace (UK) got better with Deborah (Robinson) as its editor 
(perhaps it should be a requirement that an editor of a lace-related 
magazine should be a Deborah or a version of the name? g)

The design (I got the second, BTW and, from all I've heard, the public 
was *again* in agreement with the judges -- definitely second, if not 
by a very big margin g) is, indeed, suitable for a celebration of 
wedded bliss -- the coloured version is intended as a wedding gift 
(still needs to be mounted, but I have 2 weeks before I have to mail it 
off), and I overheard several people in the display room saying (before 
the names were revealed and they didn't know I had a vested interest 
in their comments) saying that very thing (would make a nice wedding 
gift Or an anniversary one), so I'm very happy that I managed to hit 
the exact spot I wanted to hit.

I'll be sending off the photos of both versions to an e-pal in Venice, 
who'll -- hopefully -- add them to my album; that's where most of my 
original designs live, since I do not have a website of my own (too  
puter-illiterate to set up and maintain one). But the pattern will be 
available *only* through the IOLI Bulletin, at least in the near 
future; it's a lot of trouble to put a *detailed* (I may not be as much 
of a perfectionist as Ulrike Loehr is, but am not far behind g) 
pattern on a web, and David Leader has plenty of other work to do on 
the Lacenotes without it (the errata section is to be launched off soon)

The image is 6.25x 4.5 (more or less), uses Milanese technique (more 
or less g) in 80/2 cotton (though 100/3 silk is good too) and Sulky 
and Madeira metallics. It shows two stylised birds, beak to beak (with 
beaks and breasts forming a heart).  Their wings touch and hold the 
ring (with this ring I thee wed). The whole is surrounded with a 
(somewhat baroque) vine with flowers. Some of the braids are from the 
Read/Kincaid books; a couple are of my own design (with diagrams). Not 
easy (17 braids altogether, several scrolls per mirrored side), but not 
impossible. I'm quite pleased with it myself, even if it is more 
sentimental than my usual fare :)

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Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
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[lace] Re: IOLI

[Ilske und Peter Thomsen]

Hello everybody and IOLI-arachnes spez.,
At 10.05 a.m. insted of 9.30 a.m. I arrived save and sain at Hamburg but
without my suitcase. It is still in Frankfurt. Time for changing was only 10
minutes left because we were one hour late.
No I will do some jetlaging than I tell you my impressions.
Greetings from still hot and dry Hamburg in Germany
Ilske

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[lace] Bolsters etc

[Annette Gill]

Thank you Ann, Jean and Linda for the information about bolster pillows.  I
don't know whether I could use a straw-filled pillow though - doesn't it take
more force to push the pins in?  Ann's instructions for making one sound a bit
violent - my arms and shoulders wouldn't be up to that at the moment!

It sounds as if a bolster might be a good shape for me.  I tried some
continentals for the first time last night, on a fairly flat block pillow, and
they drove me nuts.  Even with a velvet-type fabric underneath, they rolled
around a lot, and they're so light I couldn't get much tension.  But they are
easier to handle.  I'll have to keep experimenting.

May I add my congratulations to Janice - the mask is exquisite!

Re the insects; I have a polystyrene pillow, but last night was just about to
start a Torchon spider when a large spider crawled out from underneath the
cloth.  Pillow and bobbins went flying, but neither that nor my shrieks
dislodged him.  So I whacked him with a roll of blue Coverseal... no freezer
required!

Regards,
Annette

PS I'm sorry if I'm not responding promptly to those who've emailed me
privately - the RSI is bad at the moment and I have to limit the amount of
typing I do each day.  I have some voice-recognition software which would help
- I really must get around to installing it...

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[lace] Continentals

[Jean Nathan]

Katrina wrote:

 RA destroys the synovial lining in the joints- this is
what leads to the deformity of the joints. 

I've had RA for eleven years. For the first five it was one DMARD 3 times a
day, and then it started to get away. I have frequent flare-ups even on 2
different DMARDS, anti-inflamatories, steroids and pain killers, and my
blood tests have shown my inflammation level to be zero for only about 9
months of the last 6 years. Earlier this year, the month I was to go on a
new drug trial. The inflammation settled to zero, so I'm staying on the
above set of drugs (plus of course another 5 to counteract the side effects
of the first 5! :-D). I'm not suitable for Anti-TNF treatment.

But the point is that a couple of  weeks ago the rheumatologist commented on
what she described as the fantastic condition of my hands. I have only 3
joints with a very little deformity and no drift (where the fingers bend
sideways). I have three or four months of each year where I just can't make
lace even by lifting the bobbins by the beads because the joints are too
inflamed and I rest them in splints.  She said that I'm obviously doing
everything right - keeping the fingers moving by using a computer keboard
and by making lace, but resting them when it's uncomfortable. Neither of
those strain the joints.

So if you know someone with arthritis encourage them to try lacemaking, but
they should discuss it with their medics first - after all you're supposed
to discuss any exercise programme with your doctor before embarking on it
:-).

Jean in Poole

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[lace] Wedding anniversaries

[Jean Nathan]

I did a quick google, and it appears that 60 years is diamond, the next on
most sites is 75 years, but again diamond (just a bigger one). I did find
one that says that 70 years is platinum though.

Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace] Continental bobbins

[Adele Shaak]

 Alice wrote When the slightly domed 'cookie' pillow was developed, 
the spangled bobbin was developed to lay better on the pillow. but 
let's remember that the spangled bobbin was developed in just one area 
- lots of other people managed without spangles.

I have heard that the careful and well-taught Europeans have developed 
working methods that reduce the amount of overtwisting and 
undertwisting of the threads that results from using continentals on a 
flat pillow with the hands down method. Knowledgeable people have 
explained these methods to me and frankly I don't understand why they 
are said to work!  I use continentals on a cookie pillow - I just let 
'em roll and try to balance the amount they unroll with rolling them in 
the other direction.

I don't have hand problems, but I cannot pick up Honiton bobbins 
comfortably. They are too narrow and they lie right on the pillow 
because there is no bulb or other projection to hold them above the 
pillow. My big  fingers simply cannot get enough purchase to pick them 
up!

I can pick up spangled bobbins because the beads hold them slightly 
elevated. But, I don't like spangled bobbins so I use continentals. The 
bulb holds the narrow shaft slightly above the pillow which makes them 
easier to grasp. And, like others on the list, I find that I put my 
finger on the bobbins just above the bulb and a *very* slight pull on 
the bulb will enable me to pick it up easier.

By the way, when I started lacemaking I knew an elderly woman whose 
hands were almost completely frozen into hooks by arthritis, and she 
made lots of lace - she used continentals and had developed a method of 
hooking her baby finger under the bobbin and popping it up into the air 
over the other bobbin, that didn't require her hand to flex at all. She 
tensioned by stroking the shafts of the bobbins with the heels of her 
hands. Her main problem was putting in the pins. By the way, she made 
very nice lace - it just shows what you can do with willpower.

Adele (who has to admit she doesn't know what RSI is, but is assuming 
it's some kind of arthritis)
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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[lace] IOLI Convention

[Patty Dowden]

It was wonderful.  It was marvelous.  It was exhausting and every bone in 
my body aches, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

Sunday:  Helped set up the Display Room so I got to see all the pieces as 
they arrived.  Wow!  Antique laces - a Beds piece to die for!, a collection 
from the Lost Art Lacers.
Exquisite pieces from member and teachers.  They should have served 
drooling towels.

Ever seen a feeding frenzy?  It's somewhat tamer than the Sales Room 
opening session on Sunday.  There's something about 300+ lacers and 20 
something vendors combined in a large room.  Agitate slightly and see what 
happens!

Monday:  Class starts.  Morning- Advanced Beds with Holly Van Sciver.  I 
think my brain is full.  Afternoon- Downton lace with Pompi Parry.  Another 
twist on point ground. What I like most about it is the very clear headside 
it achieves with CTCT and only a single passive.

Tuesday:  Breakfast (VERY early, I agree, Tamara)

Wednesday:  Not one, not two, but three different tours at the Metropolitan 
Museum of Art and speed shopping before the bus arrived to take us back to 
the hotel.

Thursday:  Classes, luncheon and I won a prize in the raffle at the 
business meeting.

Friday:  Last classes (boo hoo) and the banquet.  I won three more raffle 
prizes!  Including three bobbins from South Africa (Bester is the maker's 
name I think).

And homework, homework, homework.

Still jetlagged and I have to go to work tomorrow. . .

Patty Dowden  

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[lace] Re: lace-digest V1 #3720

[Jo Martin]

Hello all,

I personally feel that the magnificent opportunity that both Tess and Jeri
offer us to have a copy on a CD of such an important book as Ricci cannot be
left aside:
I will sure love having it, and am ready for the cost, whatever it could be
We certainly never will have the chance to be able to get copies of old
books of interest before long

Thank you Tess and Jeri,

Friendly yours,

Josette ( from very hot France)

 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:05:05 EDT
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 Dear Lacemakers,

 This memo from Tess is about rare books in my collection, so I am adding
more
 information below Tess's for you to consider.   Jeri
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 writes:

  As you know, we are working on the Ricci books.   The Professor has
just
 sent
  me the proof he made of the first volume.   As usual, it is excellent.
  However, when I try to enlarge the pictures they are a bit fuzzy--the
detail
 is
  lost. I have had this problem before and he usually manages to change
 things,
  but this is a special case. The book is so large that he says that most
 people
  won't want to download it if he makes it bigger--which would be the case
if
  he made the pictures clearer.   (They are fine for someone who doesn't
 actually
  make lace and only wants to see nice pictures, but not for someone like
me
  who drools over details.)

  And, of course, we will be talking about two volumes (I'm halfway through
 the
  second), so that would make a good copy twice the size!

  What do people think about all of this?   Download size vs. detail
quality?

  My thought is that he could post it as he now has it, and then take the
  finished set and make a separate CD out of it.   Both volumes brought up
to
 good
  detail would just fill a CD.

  Please give me some opinions and direction on this.
  Thanks.
   
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 Dear Lacemakers,

 These two original Elisa Ricci books Old Italian Lace were published in
 1913 by Lippincott, and you can read them in English.  There is
considerable
 informative text.They are out-of-print.  I paid $1,000 for them, but
have seen
 them for as much as $1,400.  In making a decision for Tess, you might like
to
 consider how difficult and inconvenient it is to do research and learn
about
 laces when your language skills are  limited to English.  So many lace
books
 from Europe have no translations to English.  These two volumes are
classics.

 The Dover paperback reproduction gives no text, just a few captions.  It
 also is very limited as to what pictures are shown.  For anyone
anticipating
 doing in-depth study of Italian laces, the Dover edition is inadequate.
It is
 the Dover book that is listed for borrowing from IOLI.

 Because of the weight and size of these original books, their age, and the
 many pictures that are hand-tipped (glued) onto pages along one edge of
the
 pictures (creating possibility of damage to them during scanning), I do
not
 anticipate giving permission for them to be scanned again.

 If I did not have the originals but knew how hard it would be to borrow or
 buy these books, I would think a separate CD of clear images might be well
worth
 the price.  (I spent much more than the price of the CD's Tess produces -
for
 each individual book purchased at the IOLI convention.)

 Tess:  Since you are doing this as a volunteer, and making the CD's
available
 to lacemakers **at cost**, it might be best to take orders before
commiting
 to a separate Ricci CD.  We would not want you to be stuck with inventory!

 Jeri Ames in Maine USA
 Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

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[lace] Handling bobbins

[Laceandbits]

After all the recent talk about different ways of picking up bobbins, I was 
interested read this morning in the new Lace Society newsletter, an article by 
Marjorie Carter about Mrs Janes, a professional Bedfordshire lace maker, 
taught as a little girl at the end of the 19th century.

She used only her left hand to move the bobbins, working the stitch with the 
three middle fingers and flicking the spare bobbins out of the way left or 
right with her little finger and thumb respectively.  Meanwhile her right hand 
moved the pins and it was quite literally a continuous action of both hands at 
considerable speed and amazing to watch.
After much struggle I did manage to copy it, but painfully slowly; no-one 
would have wanted to watch me!!

Marjorie also mentions a bit more about a quotation in her collection by H. 
Massingham (not a name I am familiar with) describing a similar method of 
working.  Very interesting.  

There is also a delightful reasoning why the Lace Society do not yet indulge 
in e-mail correspondence, including the fact that you are required to send an 
s.a.e. for your reply and this is not possible by e-mail.

Jacquie, enjoying a much cooler morning.

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Re: [lace] Re bolsters

[Jean Barrett]

Hi Diane and All,
My latest copy of he Lace Society newsletter arrived yesterday and on 
page 15 Marjorie Carter is writing about an old lacemaker. She 
describes her method of working.  She used only her left hand to move 
her lace bobbins, working the stitch with her three middle fingers and 
flicking the spare bobbins out of the way with her little finger and 
thumb respectively. Meanwhile her right hand moved the pins and it was 
quite literally a continuous action of both hands at considerable speed 
and amazing to watch. There is a photo of this in action and also a 
quote from a piece by H. Massingham which obviously describes this 
method of working. The Lace Society web site now also carries a free 
pattern.
www.thelacesociety.org.uk

Jean in Cleveland U.K.
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On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 08:24 AM, Diana Smith wrote:
I have both types of old East Midlands pillows, the large bolster and
square, using them mostly for demo's, I find them a joy to use, there 
is
plenty of area for working on, the only problem for the modern 
lacemaker
being the weight, they are extremely heavy for transportation.
A bow fronted horse can be used but it is not totally safe to leave the
pillow on unattended, and the single horse is really only a prop for 
the
pillow during work.
Having said that many of the old South Bucks workers using a
bolster and thumpers did not use a pillow horse, the pillow rested in 
the
lap and they worked by manipulating  the bobbins with their left hand 
while
moving the pins with the right, or visa versa.
Diana (Northamptonshire, UK)

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RE: [lace] Continental bobbins

[Darlene Mulholland]

I've been learning to do Torchon lace using continental bobbins as there are
a large number of differently shaped continentals included in the lace
supplies I purchased as a lot. There were also quite a number of bobbins
that needed spangling so I've been working on getting all of them spangled.
The bobbins that needed spangling [dating back the to 1980s at least] are
much chunkier than the few pairs of thin, spangled midlands that were
included in the supplies.

I decided to try the spangled bobbins to make another bookmark that I was
having trouble getting right when using the continental bobbins. By
switching to pairs of spangled bobbins I've found it much easier to keep
track of the bobbins and the pattern without counting etc.

I'm wondering which type of bobbins are the most popular for Torchon.
Admittingly, the spangled bobbins make the pillow look most attractive.


Darlene Mulholland
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[lace] Continental bobbins /pillows

[Jane Partridge]

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], alice
howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
When the slightly domed 'cookie' pillow was developed, the spangled
bobbin was developed to lay better on the pillow. If a person has a
sore thumb or can't squeeze anything, this process is difficult to do
with comfort or speed.

Then Annette in London asked: The bolster pillow - is that a sausage-
shaped (cylindrical) pillow, with the bobbins hanging of it?  Can this
be used to make Torchon and Bucks Point? 

and Ann-Marie suggested: Do consider a roller pillow for making lace in
length, you wont have to move the lace up as when you use a block
pillow. Just go round and around 

I was rather under the impression that spangled, Midland bobbins were
developed before the cookie pillow, rather than afterwards - certainly
there are a number of bolster pillows in the museums in the East
Midlands which have Midlands bobbins on them, and various old photos
show the same - I don't think I have seen anything to suggest that
cookie pillows are older than 20th century, but I may be wrong. (I can't
get at my books to check at the moment).  So, if 19th century lacemakers
were making lace with spangled bobbins on bolster pillows, I don't see
any reason why Annette can't do likewise now.  

Last year at OIDFA, being somewhat captive audience to the Finnish
pillow stand (I was on The Lace Guild's stand, next to them), I went
mad, and splashed out on one of their travel roller pillows.  This, now,
is my favourite pillow, whether travelling or not!  As I already have
sufficient (yes, I know you can never have enough!) Midlands travel
bobbins, I negotiated buying the pillow without the continentals they
were selling with it.  I had always thought that if you had velvet on
the pillow, and, as we have, two cats around the place, you would have
problems with bits and cat fur getting into the lace - this doesn't
appear to be the case.  Neither does the velvet shed.  The roller is
made from tightly wound felt (probably the engineering kind), and unlike
my other (SMP) roller pillow with its polystyrene roller, has stood up
to continuous working without the problem of using the same pinhole in
the pillow over and over again - it does appear to self-heal.  The other
thing I like about it is the speed of moving up - the roller is
controlled by a ratchet type system rather than being held in place by
ribbon-braids and pins.  

For long lengths (I'm working two and a half yards of edging to go round
the hem of a petticoat - adapted from one of the first set of patterns
from Retournac) it is better than using my block pillow, as I don't have
to keep moving pattern pieces.  I use my block pillow more for pieces
that are too long to be worked on a cookie pillow, or need to be worked
in more than one direction (like the body and legs on my Giles the dog
bookmark) - I'm not fanatical over flat pillows.

As to picking up the bobbins - I tend to find that quite often I start
off picking up between index finger and thumb, but move naturally to
bending my index and middle fingers and picking the bobbin up between
them.  I haven't had problems with my wrists from making lace, but a few
years ago when I was working about eight hours a day for a month on one
of my City  Guilds projects (a Bucks pillow case edging), I had RSI
type pains in my right shoulder from the movement of taking the pins
from the pincushion and putting them in place - switching to using my
left hand for that job helped, but was incredibly difficult to do as I
am right handed!

While I have been typing this we have had a fairly decent shower of rain
- much to Bobbin's disgust (our elder cat) - after yesterday, when I
spent the day demonstrating in a very hot marquee, it is very welcome!
One couple came up and told me about their discovery of lace (and
bobbins) that had been made by his great, great grandmother and her
family in the museum in Budleigh Salterton (?sp) in Devon - I think he
said the family name was Pile - something to look out for if we holiday
down there again.  I had one lady ask if I was tatting (but corrected
herself quickly when I started to explain the difference) and a man ask
if what I was making (Honiton) was Welsh or Nottingham lace!  Great fun!
-- 
Jane Partridge
(Tamworth, England)

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[lace] Continental bobbins and bolster pillows

[Jean Nathan]

Annette wrote:

 If I decide
to try a bolster pillow, does anyone know of a supplier in the UK?

Depends on the type of bolster you want. You *should*, but that doesn't
necessarily mean you can, buy a bolster in the UK since that was what the
old lacemakers in Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire used with their bucks
thumper and midland bobbins. But they were very large and supported on a
'horse'.

Lori's lacefairy pages have postcards of lacemakers all over the world using
different pillows and bobbins. Photo 8 seems to show a bolster on a horse
with midland bobbins, and photo 11 one with bucks thumpers.

http://lace.lacefairy.com/LaceArt/LacemakerPostcards1/album.htm

Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace] Introduction to Bobbin Lacemaking - Rosemary Shepherd

[Tess1929]

I just checked with Halcyon in Bath, Maine, USA, and they still have four new 
copies for sale: $20 plus $6.95 shipping (sounds like a lot for shipping--oh, 
well).   You can call them at 1-800-341-0282 or email at www.halcyonyarn.com.
Tess ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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[lace] Re: IOLI contest

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Wednesday, Aug 13, 2003, at 23:16 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Janice Blair wrote:
Who came third?  Was it the Limerick Statue of Liberty with fireworks?
Yes, I was very pleased that my Limerick Statue of Liberty, It Isn't a
Celebration Without Fireworks won the third prize.  The 
original-design
category was a sweep for Arachne members, even though I'm usually a 
lurker.
Congratulations, Mary Lou! It was a lovely piece. Too bad nobody was 
taking bets on the wins;  Janice and I would have been rich, since we 
had all three pegged and in correct order, too (though I wasn't sure 
which of us two merited the second) :)

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Re: [lace] IOLI convention and my entry

[dominique]

Janice Blair a gazouillé  à Ò[lace] IOLI convention and my entryÓ.
[2003/08/12 23:44]


 I asked Lori Howe to put my winning
 entry for the competition on her Gallery web site of some of my work.

absolutely gorgeous ! congratulations janice for such an outstanding 
piece of lace ..
dominique from Paris where the temps are going down a bit at last !!!

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Re: [lace] Continental bobbins - long

[Bev Walker]

to add to Alice's excellent discussion:

I think that the style of bobbin tends to work best on the sort of
pillow to which it is normally associated. However, try the continental
style, maybe borrow a couple of bobbins, or find something in the
household that resembles the bobbin, attached a thread and go through
the motions on what you have.

I work with the continentals differently than I do the midlands. For the
former I use my knuckles and the between-fingers space more, and for the
latter it is more of a picking-up motion. There is also more 'flicking'
possible, with the continentals, as the bobbins are transferred in
position. This might or might not be a good thing, depending on the
methods of the lacemaker.

For honitons I used a combination of methods - sometimes palms up,
sometimes not, sometimes I store bobbins in my hand, such as when
working a whole stitch (CTC) area.

I find it interesting, from time to time someone who would have learned
bobbin lace with midlands style bobbins and pillow, then tries
continental - or vice versa - suddenly finds that they are now at home
with the lace, as if it was meant to be.

I have been studying some lace photographs using equipment from Tignes -
the upright donut shaped pillows and the characteristic bulbous bobbins
with comparatively skinny necks. I cannot imagine using this equipment
with my usual laces, but I am longing to try one of the traditional laces
from Tigne (a freehand lace - i.e. no pins, or very few, between sides)(a
digression - I don't think I'll be able to acquire one of the lovely
traditional pillows with carved stand, but I can try using a Chevy air
filter for a base via Adele's idea. but what to do about the appropriate
bobbins? h.vbg). I notice that the bobbins on Tigne pillows with
work in progress have rather short tethers. Whether this is the process at
rest, or short tethers are the norm, I don't know...yet...  :)))

The Spanish bobbins used on the upright bolster pillow are held palms
up; the heads of these bobbins are rather large, but they are meant to
hang vertically, or nearly so.

I have some hooded bobbins that I use exclusively at a bolster pillow.
Right away I worked them palms up, and I acquired some funky big-headed
pins to use as 'holders' for the pairs I want out of the way when I'm
working the current pairs. At first I thought it would be awkward having
to keep moving bobbins around, but one soon develops a rhythm of working.
There are things I don't like about the bolster, such as the way I have to
position myself - this is not the fault of the bolster of course!

A good thing to keep in mind if you have pain in the hands or arms, is
to see if adjusting your posture, position (such as height of chair,
standing, sitting - which is better) helps any. Keep the wrists lower
than the elbows. It becomes a game of detail - adjust the chair, get a
better light, find a footrest. I like to work in daylight, standing - so
I have my pillow stacked on a couple of boxes near a window, or whatever
desk arrangement I can find so as to avoid stooping.

You may need to use the continentals on a less-domed pillow than the
midlands. I prefer a slight dome for both, except honiton where the round
pillow of a certain size acts with the characteristic bobbins. Honiton
bobbins have to be 'just right' - not too heavy, nor too light, too long
or too short, or too big of a head - or too small.

I think my message is getting too longtoo!
bye for now
hope everyone is having a good weekend - Bev in Sooke BC who shouldn't be
thinking of Tigne laces, but working on her Flanders instead

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[lace] lacing one-handed (wordy)

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone

I cannot report conclusively on one-handed lacing, but I tried it with a
UFO which is now a FO.

It is a Springett edging attached to a bangle and not particularly
conducive to one-handedness with having to use two hands to attach the one
bobbin pair between repeats. However, as I kept my righthand behind my
back and worked the bobbins with the left, for most of the lacing, I
learned something - different muscles are used to effect the bobbin
movements; one positions oneself at the pillow differently (even if
slightly) than when using two hands. One hand can lengthen the tether, two
are needed to shorten it, lengthening is required far more often than
shortening, and I favour using my lefthand for the main motions though my
righthand is usually dominant. Contrarily, when I decided to place a
business call and was obliged to be on hold, I held the phone in my left
hand, to my ear, and worked the lace with my right.

I have made this edging so many times my hands remember the pattern, but
protest about having to make it again in tandem. The one-handed experiment
taught me a few things and I am one more Christmas ornament
to the better. The one hand laced, the other helped tension, and placed
the pins. It reminded me of how I spin - one hand works with the fibre
while the other hand acts as a guide and lint-picker (etc.).

I might continue the research by trying one-handed with my
Flanders ground edging (at the 7 inch mark of 13)

 --
bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (sunny west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt912

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[lace] Bolster pillows

[DayHolt]

Dear Annette,
possibly the best way to get a bolster pillow is to make one. Sew a big kit 
bag shaped bag and fill it with hay or straw from a pet shop. Thump it, jump on 
it and add some more filling. Continue till it is as hard as you can get it. 
A rolling pin used to be recommended and then sew up the end with strong linen 
twine. It is a job to do in the garden as it is a bit messy and in the Spring 
the birds collect the loose bits of straw. 
When I started making lace we had to make our own pillows and whittle our 
bobbins as we weren't in the East Midlands. Then I discovered Braggins of Bedford 
and was the first person in my class to have real plastic bobbins! 
Alternatively we might have one for sale at The Guild that we have been given 
and is surplus to requirements. We also occasionally have horses as well. One 
of the advantages of coming to The Convention is that there is the 50/50 
stall and our Collections sale which often contain items like these. I think we 
had two horses of different types in Llandudno. 
Best wishes from Ann , (who is hoping it gets cool enough to need a sheet to 
sleep under tonight(. 

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[lace] making tallies

[alice howell]

At 05:40 AM 8/12/2003 -0700, you wrote:
   One...those of you that can make square tallies well,could you please
send me an email on how you make them. MIne squares end up smaller at the
bottom than the top. I would like to be able to improve on them. And info
on making leaves wouldn't hurt either.

Too much tension is the thing.

The passives need to be held spread apart, in a vee shape.  When you tension
the worker thread after each pass, the tensioning will pull the passives in
from the vee shape to the square.  Pulling too hard will squeese the shape
smaller than square.   Keep the passives spread, and tension with a gentle
hand just to the shape you want.

The same is true of the leaf.  The tally starts with the two pair at different
pins, and ends with the two pair at different pins.  The leaf starts with the
two pair at the same pin, and ends with the two pair at the same pin.  This
makes a point on the leaf , while the two pins makes a square start
and stop to the tally.  Otherwise, the action is exactly the same for both.

Keep the passives spread wide, weave the worker through and back then tension.
Pull downwards to tension the right side of the worker thread, then pull
upwards to tension the left side of the worker thread.  If in doubt, leave
it just a tiniest bit loose rather than tight.

Just a hint on the square tally, have the center passive thread end up on
the opposite side of the square than it started.  To do this, the worker
thread has to also end up on the opposite side than it started.  You will
have a much nicer tally if the center passive crosses diagonally through
it than if it ends up going down one side of it.

If you pull too much on the tensioning, release the bobbin and pull outwards
on the side passives, then try again.

Note -- if you do a tally, then take it out, use a different thread as a
worker the next time.  No thread likes to be bent that many times twice.

Also note -- at the end of a tally, if possible complete the next stitch with
the passive pair first, then the pair with the worker and a passive.  Use
a very gentle hand on this stitch and don't pull on the worker thread.

Hope these hints help.

Happy lacing,

Alice in Oregon - Gained 2 students from county fair demo!!
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[lace] Re: Download time vs quality for book reproduction - Ricci

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003, at 11:05 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tess:  Since you are doing this as a volunteer, and making the CD's 
available
to lacemakers **at cost**, it might be best to take orders before 
commiting
to a separate Ricci CD.  We would not want you to be stuck with 
inventory!
I'll second that, on both counts: putting a tip-top version on a 
separate CD and getting orders for the CD before it's 
cut/burned/whatever. I'll be happy to pre-pay my order (just give me an 
address and price), even though I'm puter-illiterate. One day, I hope, 
I will *learn* to use the CDs and then I'd like to have the entire 
Ricci available in as clear a format as possible.


Tamara P Duvall
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Re: [lace] Hal my computer is ailing terrible....but please read on

[David Collyer]

Dear Sherry,
One...those of you that can make square tallies well,could you please 
 send me an email on how you make them. MIne squares end up smaller at the 
 bottom than the top. I would like to be able to improve on them. And info 
 on making leaves wouldn't hurt either.

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:02:01 -1000  From: David Collyer 
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Square tallies.  Dear Friends,  I figured out my own way of making both 
leaf shaped tallies and square ones and it seems to work OK for me.
Here's what I do:  First place a sheet of clear cellulite/plastic over the 
bulk of the work with a pointed corner of it right up where the tally is to 
start.  Have your 4 bobbins for the tally on top of this sheet.  Then I put 
3 pins in it.  For a leaf shaped tally these pins would be about 2 (5cm) 
down from the beginning of the tally.  The outer two pins are glass headed 
sewing pins; the middle one is a sewing needle with no head.  These 
maintain the correct tension on the passives.  After each pass, I simply 
push down lightly on the appropriate outer pin.
Now for square tallies, I do the same thing except this time the two side 
pins with the heads on them are as far as possible straight out sideways 
from the beginning of the tally.  I have done this with threads as fine as 
Madeira #80 and Egyptian cotton #120.  Hope this helps  David Downunder in 
Ballarat

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[lace] Re: Travel Pillows

[Carol Adkinson]

Hi All,

I have a lovely travel pillow which has been all over the place with me, for
the last umpteen years!   It was made by a friend in Norfolk Lace Makers,
but I think a very similar one can now be purchased from SMP Lace.  It folds
up into a box shape, about a foot high, by six inches by six inches, but
when it is opened out, the 'apron' bit to make the lace on is slightly
bigger than some domes pillows.  It comes with a roller, a square block, and
can have a round block too, so that all manner of lace can be made, so long
as the motif can fit on the square (which I have to admit isn't used by me
very often!) or round block.   I have made several wedding garters on the
roller (which will take lace about 4 inches wide with comfort) as well as
several lengths of edgings, and the round block is useful for motifs, as it
can be twisted round as you need to get round the motif.

I tend to use the 'midi' travel bobbins by Richard Ives on all my travel
pillows - they are about 2/3 the size of normal bobbins but, like all his
work, are lovely to handle, and beautifully balanced.  And as an added
bonus, Jenny will spangle them for you if you so wish!

The usual disclaimers - a very satisfied customer of both suppliers, but
with no financial gain in telling you all!

Carol - in Suffolk UK, where it is still hot and sunny, despite the thunder
storms a couple of nights ago.

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[lace] Re: Lovebirds

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003, at 08:05 US/Eastern, Gill Hare wrote:

My list-lurking can be erratic at times - which could explain why I 
can't
find the URL for Tamara's album  in my lace info file either.   May I
please have it as well?
I don't believe I've posted the URL before, which might account for 
people not having it in their files :) Just in case anyone else would 
like to see what I've been up to in my spare (from Arachne) time, here 
goes:

http://groups.msn.com/Fioreetombolo/lavoriditamarapduvall.msnw?Page=1

This is the first page; the second has most (though not all -- one's 
missing) of the 2-pair snowflakes (so far not yet published; I'll try 
to get to it, promise). All the designs are my own, but With This 
Ring.../Lovebirds is not yet there; I haven't had the time to write 
Fiorenza to ask her to include it.

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Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
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[lace] Fw: Wonderful Trip!

[Jane Dobinson]

 Hello Everyone!

What a wonderful time we had in England, especially for me since I was able to
fit in some great lace adventures!!  I'm still not sleeping that well and am
awake early so decided I might as well get up and tell you about it.

We arrived in London on Tuesday morning where a coach was waiting to take us
to Windsor -  we settled into our hotel, the Castle Hotel which is on High
Street and only a 5 minutes walk or less from the Castle.  Each day in
Windsor, we had free time until 4 o'clock practice so on Thurs, I took the
train to meet Julie Nicholls and we went to Syon House, the stately home of
the Duke and Duchess of Northumberland.  We toured their beautiful home and
then enjoyed the lunch that Julie brought, sitting on a bench, looking down
the Thames River - a perfect day!

Friday, Jill Treeves (another lacemaker) and her boyfriend, Adrian, came to
Evensong and then treated me to English pizza on High Street and a Haagen Das
ice cream cone which we enjoyed as we walked to Eton.  It was great to get to
know them and hear about Jill's interests - she works a lot with colour and
her teacher's modern designs.  I had made cover cloths using a black fabric
with the Canadian Provincial, floral emblems and the names of the Provinces.
She was so pleased and has written to say she's keeping guard over it at her
lace classes :)  A great evening!

Sat., we were up early and on the train to London where we went to the London
Eye and had a flight - most interesting to see the sights of London from a
huge ferris wheel - moves very slowly and about 20 people are in each
bubble.  We left there and took several subway trains to get to the Royal
Albert Hall where we thoroughly enjoyed the Proms Concert - special music
geared to all the children in the audience and of course, ending with Pomp 
Circumstance.  It was great!  We left as soon as the last note died and made
it back to Waterloo Station to catch our train back to Windsor, in time for
practice.   After Evensong, the Dean and his wife had a reception in the
Cloister for us as a Thank You for our contribution to the life of  St.
George's!

Sunday was busy with 3 services but again, all went well and we enjoyed
singing in such an historic place.  I did see the embroidered hangings by
Beryl Dean which are hung in the Rutland Chapel and are absolute works of
art!!  On Sunday afternoon, the gate was open to the Chapel so I was able to
get up close for a really good look.   I was sorry that I was unable to take
pictures - no pictures are allowed.  That evening, Julie Nicholls and Anne
Nicholas attended Evensong and then we linked up afterwards and went for a
bite to eat in a Cafe in the old Station.  It was great to meet Anne, having
only made contact via email - she was Julie and my go-between before Julie
was online.  We had a great visit and of course, talked lace :)  They also
were pleased with their Cover Cloths.

We travelled  by coach to Salisbury on Monday - truly an amazing Cathedral!
We settled in our lodgings in The Close and then set out to explore after
having had lunch over at the Choir School.  Those of us who stayed at the
Choir School Dorm had 3 meals included every day and they were Super! Lucky we
did lots of walking :)  I called Jan Gardiner and we confirmed plans for lunch
together at the Museum on Tuesday.  We had such a great time viewing the
second floor Lace and Costume display - Jan really knows her lace - her
comments were most informative.  We enjoyed lunch afterwards before she had to
head back to work.  She brought along a block pillow that she had purchased
for me, if I wanted it, at the Lace Day on the 26th of July.  As you can
imagine, I didn't hesitate and am now using my lovely English pillow for the
veil lace :)  After she left, I poked around in the Museum shop and found
bobbins and lace hasti notes which was a nice surprise.  Downton lace is the
lace of the area and is quite lovely.  On the last day of our stay in
Salisbury, Mary, one of our choir members, found 2 Downton lace pattern books
at the Museum that I had missed  so I zipped over and bought them before it
closed.

On Wednesday, we went by coach to Winchester where we gave a noonhour concert
and then sang Evensong before heading back to Salisbury.  Jeanette, another C
member, took me to a needlework shop close by and I picked up an interesting
glass bobbin and some thread.

Thursday, Mary and I took the 8:40 train to Honiton where we had a wonderful
time visiting the Honiton Lace Shop, The Museum and the cute little church.  I
did have fun in the LS and made several purchases including a large
pillow-carrying bag made in the Honiton fabric, a vinyl tote and some gifts
for friends.  We inquired and found a darling little Tea Room where we had
Cream Tea with wonderful Devon cream.  The following day, we took the train
again and went to Bath where we saw the Roman baths etc. etc. and the Abbey -
most interesting!

Saturday is market day and guess what, I 

[lace] Square tallies

[Steph Peters]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:40:32 -0700 (PDT), Sherry wrote:
   One...those of you that can make square tallies well,could you please 
send me an email on how you make them. MIne squares end up smaller at the
bottom than the top. I would like to be able to improve on them. And info on
making leaves wouldn't hurt either.

Sherry, I'll chime in with my personal experience here.  When I first tried
square tallies I had already done a lot of leaves in Bedfordshire - several
hundred.  My square tallies just would not come out square.  They leaned to
one side, to the other, were fatter at the top or at the bottom.  They did
generally have straight sides, but not usually parallel.  

I've learnt two techniques that helped me improve them.  First think about
the paths of the non-weaver threads.  One goes down the left hand edge and
one goes down the right hand edge.  But what about the thread that in a leaf
would go down the middle?  I arrange the thread paths so that this thread
starts from the top at one side and goes out at the bottom on the other
side.  It forms a diagonal within the square tally, often referred to as a
gate shape.

I make my leaf tallies by weaving with the bobbins held on the pillow.  When
learning to make leadworks in Honiton, which are a square tally by another
name, I was shown the Honiton technique of working with all the bobbins in
the hands, flicking the weaver from one hand to the other.  I now always
make square tallies this way. For me using different movements to make the
square tallies means that my hands can't fall into the learnt patterns of
leaf tallies.  This solution perhaps isn't for everyone, but it works for
me.
--
By necessity, by proclivity, and by delight, we all quote. 
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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[lace] Making a bolster pillow

[Jean Nathan]

There are instructions for 2 methodsof making a bolster pillow at:

http://lace.lacefairy.com/PillowsBobbins/CradleBolsterPillow.html

Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace] Handling bobbins

[Barb E TX]

This brings up an amazing mental picture.   I know I will be slow and
awkward, but I must give it a tryfascinating

Thanks for the insight.
BarbE


snip
Mrs Janes, a professional Bedfordshire lace maker,
 taught as a little girl at the end of the 19th century.
  She used only her left hand to move the bobbins, working the stitch with
the
 three middle fingers and flicking the spare bobbins out of the way left or
 right with her little finger and thumb respectively.  Meanwhile her right
hand
 moved the pins and it was quite literally a continuous action of both
hands at  considerable speed and amazing to watch.

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[lace] RE: Weaver's Knot / Top 10 Hints

[Ian Chelle Long]

Gidday all,

Jean said:
Don't know if this is what your looking for - the diagram of the weavers
knot is certainly clear:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/1404/weavknot.gif

and BarbE said:
I would have to say that learning this knot ranks in the top 10 of hints
that I have learned from lacing.

Yes that is it, thanks Jean!  I couldn't find my copy anywhere, and I can
never remember how to do it without looking at the picture.  Actually I
guess I don't break enough threads to get enough practice - not complaining
either!

I agree about it being one of the best hints.  I would add my no. 1 hint as
well..when doing Point Ground and you have a weaver coming out of a
cloth stitch (or other) section into a ground section, making a catchpin and
returning straight in to the cloth stitch secion, a tutor years ago showed
me how to cheat. Instead of making the usual CTTT catchpin stitch, make it
CTCTTT.  This has the effect of ensuring the same 2 bobbins remain as
weavers, instead of one half of the pair going off into the ground, which
means that you don't get that pull which can cause your
gimp-around-the-cloth-stitch-section to go slightly out of shape.  Not sure
if I'm explaining it properly but it works so well. I use CTCTT instead of
CTT in honeycomb areas too if the same problem occurs.

Michelle
an Aussie living in South Africa


Ian  Chelle Long
+27 35 788 0777

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[lace] Miss Channer Reduction

[David Collyer]

Dear Friends,
I have spent about 10 hours today working on the pricking for Miss 
Channer's Mat, which will be my next project starting tomorrow.

For some years now I've looked at it and wanted to reduce it to a size 
suitable for 2/20 silk. The problem was that the pricking was too large for 
the scanner. So today after a lot of fiddling around, I managed to scan it 
in sections, rejoin them in PaintShopPro and reduce the overall length of 
the Mat to 232mm.

Then after I printed it out I simply had to go over every dot, re-scan it, 
and print it again. It's now safely saved at that size in my Lace Prickings 
directory. Somehow I envisage an entire night, and perhaps even all day 
tomorrow, winding bobbins in Black Pipers Silk 2/20. I shall be using 
Glory Brazilian Embroidery thread for the gimps. Has anyone seen another 
black Channer's Mat?
David Downunder in Ballarat

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[lace] Re: [not lace] Re: IOLI

[Toni Hawryluk]

(snip)
 Greetings from Ilske in very hot and dry (nature is suffering a lot)
Hamburg
in Germany

The people are also 'suffering a lot' -
how about planting more trees ? even
if it's just in containers someplace
outside - the interchange of water
through plant transpiration is what
keeps forests cool - why not cities ?

Toni in Seattle

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[lace] Lint and dust on pillows.

[DG Chuck Johnson]

RE: Linty pillows.

I was wondering if the sticky lint remover (Masking Tape rolled backwards as a
lint brush) wouldn't help with removing the lint from Velvet and Corduroy, and
dust of course.

I keep one near my pillow though it is made with neither of those.

One problem this could create is raised nap, thus more lint...but I haven't
noticed that problem on either of my pillows.

Susie Johnson
Morris, IL.
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Re: [lace] Continental bobbins

[Ann-Marie Lördal]

Yes the continental rolls but you can put velvet underneath it steadies them
a bit or as my husband did with my bobbins, he made them square by using an
electric grinder (I am not sure if that is the right name of it) but the
bobbins are great to use now.
Ann-Marie
 http://community.webshots.com/user/annma1

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Re: [lace] Colombian lace

[Barb E TX]

Whole new lace world to explore !
 :-D
BarbE





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Subject: [lace] Colombian lace


 In the Orlando newspaper today, a local businessman whose shop features
 lingerie and swimwear is interviewed and this is what it says:

 Brown will travel to Medellin, Colombia, this month.  Medellin's handmade
 lace, he said, makes its lingerie superior.

 'Medellin, Colombia, has the most beautiful lingerie in the world,' he
 said.'The south of Spain has always been famous for lace, all types of
lace.  One
 hundred and fifty years ago, Spanish from the south of Spain settled into
 Medellin.  Making lace is deep in their culture, almost in their genes.'

 Later in the article, it says, regarding intimate apparel:

 Brown said he prefers to work with small family-run non-English speaking
 companies.  Their production capability may be limited, but the quality is
 superior and the price is right, he said.

 'In South America, the mothers and aunts are usually in charge of the
design
 and the nieces are in charge of production --sewing.' Brown said.


 Susan in FL

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[lace] Continental bobbins

[Annette Gill]

Can anyone who has experience of using Continental bobbins tell me whether
they are easier to pick up and handle than Midlands bobbins?

I'm struggling with RSI at the moment, and find that the muscle movements
required to pick up the slender Midlands bobbins is causing problems.  I
thought that with, say, a Brugges bobbin, I could put the first and second
fingers on either side of the bobbin, and then pull down against the bulb of
the bobbin and pick it up without having to grip the bobbin much.  Is that
how you pick up a Brugges bobbin?

At the moment I try to do something similar by pulling down on the spangles
(of my Midlands bobbins), but as they lie flat on the pillow, they're not
always easy to pick up.

Regards,
Annette
(in London)

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[lace] re: time vs. pieces and pillows

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone

I think contentment is working at the lace you like, whether it is a bit
at a time over a long time, or full speed ahead, and finish in a week :)))

For those who think they've got all the pillows they could ever want,
here's a dandy replica of a 's Gravenmoer pillow (=Torchon with diagonal
half stitch), complete with carving, and the little drawer at back to
store the edging that is being worked *and* stuffed with 'crin' (palm tree
leaves) just as the original pillows were.

http://www.kleinhout.com/GB/lacepillows/index.html
scroll until you locate Old Dutch 's Gravenmoer pillow at bottom of pillow
page. Note all the other ones too!

-- 
bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada)

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[lace] Canadian Hankie blanks

[Jazmin]

Good morning everyone.

I hope this is alright going to lace, I'm on a hunt for something to mount 
lace on. :) Does anyone know of a good source for hankie blanks, preferably 
linen, and ideally in Canada? Shipping from anywhere else, and exchange is 
starting to prove expensive, but I might have to cave on the Canadian angle.

The lace isnt finished yet, so I can be easy on size, although it is for a 
chistening bonne/hankie. Pre hemstitched would be ideal for my sad sewing 
skills, but I've faked it before, I can fake it again.

Thanks for any help!

Heather  in steamy and rainy SW Ontario

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[lace] Help in Australia

[Janette Manvell]

Also have put my Guild hat on and replied to Jenny privately re contacts and
groups in Brisbane

Jan
currently Vice-President and Branch Contact for Queensland Branch of Aust
Lace Guild
JanM (in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia)
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Re: [lace-chat] Lavender

[Linda Walton]

 Oooh!  but doesn't tea-tree oil really pong!!!   I'd prefer the smell of
the
 lavendar oil!

 Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)


Ah!  That must be why it only comes in mixtures like 'tea-tree and mint' or
'tea-tree and orange':  and I suppose the extra emanations ought to make it
even more repellent to headlice, too.

Linda Walton,
(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.,
where it's another fine sunny morning, although cloudy last night -
which was a disappointment for the annual Perseid-viewing barbecue).

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Re: [lace-chat] Memory: Lavender and Rosemary

[Scotlace]

Another use for lavendar oil, according to something I read somewhere, is to 
keep head lice at bay.  Seemingly they don't like lavendar and so combing a 
little lavendar oil into the hair can keep them away.  It struck me as a 
pleasant way of dealing with an unpleasant problem.

Patricia in Wales
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Re: [lace-chat] Basic lacemaking supplies - long

[Toni Hawryluk]

 9400 lightning strikes in 24 hrs.  65 fires.
 Alice in Oregon -

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[lace-chat] Re: :-) The Lone Ranger and Tonto

[Joy Beeson]

At 07:13 PM 8/6/03 +0100, Jean Nathan wrote:

(By the way, why was he called the Lone Ranger when he always had Tonto with
him?)

Tonto wasn't a Ranger.  

In the creation story, Tonto found a squad of ambushed Texas Rangers, 
and one of them was still breathing.  

-- 
Joy Beeson
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http://home.earthlink.net/~beeson_n3f/ 
west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.
where it's warm and sunny.

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re: [lace-chat] eBay letter etc.

[Bev Walker]

Jean in Poole wrote:

 I watched it disapear from right under my nose.

Never mind the poor sot's letter - at least you are aware of how they
feel. Know that you gave 'him' the satisfaction of venting.
I've had the same thing happen - and I admit I felt rather cross about
being trounced...and it makes me feel the tiniest bit guilty if I do the
same thing on something I really really want - which hasn't been much, a
bunch of bobbins once, and a computer part another time.

DH really wanted a particular gizmo, and twice has lost out. I can see it
could get quite frustrating - but we bid another time for another
thing...anyway!

 --
bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada)

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[lace-chat] Hot weather and the British railway system

[Jean Nathan]

Our railway system is never short of an excuse as to why services are
disrupted. The usual excuses are leaves on the line in autumn, the wrong
kind of snow in winter, landslides, and flooding. Yesterday trains were
restricted to 60 mph instead of their usual 120 mph because of the
exceptionally hot weather making it possible that the railway lines will
buckle. They're likely to be restricted for the next few days.

We're having almost record temperatures - it's in the low 30's centigrade -
and it might even break the all time record of 1990 (when the temperatiure
reached 37.1 C/99 F) tomorrow or Thursday by hitting 37.7 degree C (100
degrees F).

Because of the great variations in our weather, the railways can't lay lines
to cater for the whole spectrum.

I'm surprised that we haven't had heath fires around Poole yet. With this
weather and the children on holiday from school, that's usually the recipe
for arson on the heaths.

Jean in Poole
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[lace-chat] Fw: Picabo Street

[Lorri Ferguson]

This one is short and cute.  Lorri

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Subject: Fw: Picabo Street


  The female skier Picabo Street (pronounced Peek-A-Boo).

  The famous Olympic skier Picabo Street is not just an athlete, she is a 
nurse.

  She currently works at the Intensive Care Unit of a large metropolitan 
hospital.

  She is not permitted to answer the telephone, however, as it caused simply 
too much confusion when she would answer the phone and say, Picabo, ICU.

*  A good clean joke is hard to find these days - pass it on! 

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[lace-chat] Hot weather and the British railway system

[Jane Partridge]

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jean Nathan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
 Yesterday trains were
restricted to 60 mph instead of their usual 120 mph because of the
exceptionally hot weather making it possible that the railway lines will
buckle. 

We're having almost record temperatures - 

Even more so if you believe the main commercial local radio station for
the Birmingham area - on the news this morning (in the car on the way to
work - we listen to Radio 4 in the house) - trains are being delayed
because the managers are afraid the tracks will melt - I don't think it
is likely to be *that* hot, though!

I agree with my father, who used to lay track back in the days of thirty
men to a sixty foot length - the problems are caused by the continuous
weld type of track used, which has none of the expansion joints of the
old type.  Consequently, you get hot weather, and the track buckles;
other stresses cause cracks and hence the derailments of the last few
years.  Not that there were no accidents before, but some things ask for
trouble.

-- 
Jane Partridge

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[lace-chat] from lace, about

[Bev Walker]

Liz wrote to lace about a source for gum arabic, a suggested adhesive for
fanmaking, and I was intrigued by:

They are an artist's colourman - ie they grind and sell pigment.  You can
also get quills, paints, guilding equipment and all metal leafs and metal
dusts.It is the same as it must have been when they were founded with all the
mahogany draws and interesting things.

Doesn't that sound like a fascinating place! Harry Potterish even. The
place, for those not on lace, is L Cornelissen  Son Ltd 1a, Hercules St
London

-- 
bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada), a very long way from Diagon
Alley.

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[lace-chat] Your guess is as good as mine

[Avital Pinnick]

Here's a lace book, presumably from the 60s, that I've never seen before: 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2340096725

The seller claims that it shows you everything you need to know to get started. 
Someone should show the cover model, before she freezes to death. Seriously, this is 
the first time I've seen a lace book with no clue as to the type of lace on the cover. 
There might be some lace on the model's minidress but I would need a much higher 
resolution monitor to tell.

Avital

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Re: [lace-chat] BASIC LACEMAKING SUPPLIES

[Clay Blackwell]

Ahhh... Maxine !  You're a lady after our own hearts!  So
many of us who have been smitten with the lacemaking bug
have always done some other form of the gentle arts
since we can remember.  I think that my first love was
knitting - taught to me by a dear family friend whom we
referred to as Grandma since our biological grandmothers
had died before we were born.  (I think I must have been
about 16 at the time, because she died a few years later...)
After that came needlepoint and embroidery...  and then
cross stitch...  and then... and then...

But the bottom line is that I am determined to continue the
traditions of needlework in my lifetime, and have enjoyed
every minute of my pursuit!

Clay


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  - how about we hear from those who make other forms of
lace!?

  Tatters?  Knitters?  Needle-lacers?  Crocheters?

 I am new to bobbin lace as I mentioned earlier in the
week, but have
 crocheted since I was 9 or 10... self taught from the good
old Arthur Mees
 Encyclopedia. I have knitted a 2 ply woolen lace shawl
(circular) for a
 grandbaby.  I have also self taught some needle lace...
and can do the
 basics in tatting, courtesy of my late mother.

 As you can see lace has fascinated me for may years...

 Maxine - where winter has decided to have another go, and
today it is cold
 and overcast :-(


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