[lace] Lace magazine

2004-05-12 Thread Helene Gannac
Just received my Lace magazine (awairted with baited breath after all the
talk on this list!!), and I spent last evening reading it. 
I would like to congratulate all the wonderful lacemakers who made those
lace pieces, particularly the Australian ones, of course :-) Such
fantastic imagination as well as lacemaking skills. 
I guess that is what I like most about lacemaking. People with very little
creative skills like me can still make beautiful things by using other
people's patterns, and real artists can go ahead and to their best too.
Keep it up, all of you!!

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who has now finished the lace foir her
lacemakers'census and needs to do something with it :-)


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[lace] Lace in Belgium and Netherlands

2004-05-12 Thread Helene Gannac
Devon, 

If that rumour is true (perhaps our Belgian spiders could try to find
out?), maybe we should find an email address for the Mayor and all email
our dismay to him about there being no lace in Brugge...We did that once
before for Nottingham, although I'm not sure it's had any effect so far?

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne


If anyone is traveling to Belgium and the Netherlands as I have just
done, I  will provide the following up to date info.
In Brugge, Arendshuis which is actually the same museum as the Brandgwyn 
has no lace in it any more although there are still catalogs being sold
that have lace pictured in them. Likewise the Gruuthuse Museum which sells
a huge and enticing catalogue of lace does not display any. The other
major museum the Groeninge doesn't have any either. 
Apparently all the lace is Brugge is in storage and an administrative 
person I spoke to does not know when or it will be shown again.  (I heard
a rumor that the mayor of Brugge does not value the lace heritage and this

explains the disappearance of lace from the major museums.) There was a
small exhibit at the Kantcentrum on War Lace. 
Devon



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[lace] website Deutscher Kloeppelverband update

2004-05-12 Thread Eva Von Der Bey
Dear Arachne friends,

times are very busy for me, the job's very demanding, children need their
share of attention every day, so, to my grief, I'm not a frequent visitor
here.
The time still available for lace I spent with lacemaking rather than with
reading about lace..
 
But I miss you!
So I'll try to be back as a regular visitor, at least lurking,
an hope to become a resident of arachne town again.

This weekend, during a weekend class, I've been asked to forward
to you all:

The German Lace Guild's website has been updated, since news and
pictures from the April 2004 Guild's Congress are ready!

Enjoy browsing  www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de!


The weekend class I enjoyed was with Ulrike Loehr, we tried brandnew
patterns:
Art Noveau style flowers in PG lace! Wow!
The motives in silk of different colours on an in ecru background are
natural flowers, although their spirit is art noveau, they are clearly
recognizable.  

All patterns, six or seven different, were worked for the very first time,
we don't know how they will look as real lace up to now.
(And we are the guinea pigs for bug finding and fixing ;-) )
As all of us reached the first crucial points, on sunday evening,
on every pillow a glimpse of a blossom could be seen through a forest of
pins...
Since then, I spent every night at may pillow, never stopping before
midnight..

Lacemaking is great!
And it's good to be here!

Eva, from a grey spring day in office 

Haltern, Germany

 

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[lace] Needlepins

2004-05-12 Thread Jean Barrett
Good morning All,
If you are in the market to buy a needle pin can I share with you my 
experience. When I started Honiton lace, many moons ago, I bought a 
simple, Springetts, wooden job. Very nice. Found it almost impossible 
to use. Like Leonard I tried a few times until I'd thoroughly mashed up 
the pinhole and the thread and then resorted to a hook. Some time later 
I treated myself to a lovely bone handled model. Got to be better, Yes? 
No. After years of struggling and mixed results I went back to my 
wooden model and found no problems. I found that the bone one had a 
thick, about a quarter inch base where the pin was inserted and this 
stopped me getting at the right angle to the sewing. The Wooden one 
tapered  into the pin, so that the handle was almost an extension of 
the pin. Something to look out for when you do buy. It can  be used for 
other fine laces as well. Duchesse and Milanese come to mind.
Jean in Cleveland U.K.

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Re: [lace] Braid lace/tape lace

2004-05-12 Thread Jean Barrett
Hi Jacquie,
Remember that Branscombe was made at first with bobbin made tape, which 
was then sewn down and filled with needle fillings. Quicker to make 
than the complex honiton motifs.
Jean in Cleveland U.K.
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I am in the middle of writing a short explanation of what braid lace 
is.

In the process I am trying to add a brief translation between US and
English language (in the same way as I do for cloth stitch -ctc- and 
whole stitch -
either ctc or ctct depending on where you are/been taught by) so 
people can be
aware that they have to be conscious of which language they are 
reading.

I was always been taught that laces such as Russian and Milanese are 
braid
laces and some of the fillings are done with plaits.  Tape lace is a 
machine
made tape tacked onto the pattern and secured with sewing and needle 
made
fillings.

However, since I have been exposed to American terminology on Arachne 
I have
been very aware that as you refer to plaits (in lace and hair) as 
braids, it
is necessary that you refer to the hand made edges as tapes.

So, my question is, what generic term do you normally use to describe 
what I
would think of as a tape lace to make it clear that it is not hand 
made bobbin
lace but a mix of machine tape and needlelace?

Many thanks, Jacquie

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[lace] RE:tape vs braid

2004-05-12 Thread Mary Robi
Hello Lovely Spiders,

Wl, being new, I'm totally confused about how to refer to 
tapes and braides. I'm learning from various books, some have already 
been mentioned. The Bruges book calls them one thing, the Milanese book 
calls them something else. Then throw the different countires into the mix, 
and well, chaos reigns!

What I concluded was that those terms are just as confusing as the various 
terminologies from lace type to lace type on almost everything from what 
constitutes a whole stitch to the open or closed method to what that 
tape/braid thing is called. It was hard just accepting that a braid didn't, 
in the lace world, refer to what one does with ones hair!

Aaaah, the mind of a newby is empty and ready for anything! The 
uncarved block!

I like the idea of calling the patterned ones braids, and the cloth stitch 
ones tapes. Oh, and those really skinny ones I think of as plaits. Me, 
too Tamara - playts. Is that a Yankee thing?

I'm anxiously awaiting enlightenment here. GBG

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Re: [lace] RE:tape vs braid

2004-05-12 Thread Joy Beeson
At 08:05 AM 5/12/04 -0500, Mary Robi wrote:

. . . Oh, and those really skinny ones I think of as plaits. Me, 
 too Tamara - playts. Is that a Yankee thing?

It's a learned-out-of-a-book thing.  I have two terms in my vocabulary:  
My father* sometimes said my hair was platted, but I was full-grown before
I found out how it was spelled, and read plait as playt.  

Which sounds as though I was putting on an Irish accent.  

Plait and pleat used to be the same word.

(*Mother, who was eleven years younger, always said braid.)

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Re: [lace] website Deutscher Kloeppelverband update

2004-05-12 Thread Steph Peters
On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:43 +0200 (MEST), Eva wrote:
The German Lace Guild's website has been updated, since news and
pictures from the April 2004 Guild's Congress are ready!

Enjoy browsing  www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de!

There are more pictures and information about the congress on two French
websites:
http://blondecaen.chez.tiscali.fr/bad1.htm#BAD
http://www.dentellieres.com/Reportage/R2004/BadPyrmont/

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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum

2004-05-12 Thread Mary L. Tod
At 6:54 PM +0100 5/12/04, Jane Bawn wrote:
Tamara wrote

As far as I'm concerned, only two laces belong in that group:
Milanese and Chrysanthemum. And, of the 2, Chrysanthemum is iffy, on
the fence, as it were, since it uses only one decorated braid (and
that not always) and makes its (simple) fillings on the go...
I have heard and read about lots of different types of lace and since I have
been on this list I have discovered many more, but Chrysanthemum? This is
totally new to me and it's no good me googling as I will only end up
spending hours on gardening sites:-)
I am curous to learn more about this lace Tamara, why is it call
Chrysanthemum, or is that the obvious duh! question?  Are there any websites
available that show pictures that you could point me towards?
Jane, if you Google chrysanthemum and lace together, you will 
receive primarily links to web pages with Cathy Belleville's book. 
Her Webpage is here

http://www.bitbetter.com/lace/lace.htm

HTH,
--
Mary, in Baltimore, MD
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Re: [lace] Re: Braid lace/tape lace

2004-05-12 Thread Laceandbits
In a message dated 12/05/2004 01:11:48 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 As far as I'm concerned, only two laces belong in that group: 
 Milanese and Chrysanthemum. And, of the 2, Chrysanthemum is iffy, on 
 the fence, as it were, since it uses only one decorated braid (and 
 that not always) and makes its (simple) fillings on the go...

Then surely you must also include Spanish braid lace Witch stitch,  with 
its meander and figure of eight braids.

Many thanks to everyone for your input on this subject, so far the concensus 
seems to be that there is even less clarity in the States than here g   Even 
though *I* was taught braid is bobbin and tape is machine (my main teacher 
has been Pat Read) and it seems to be generally understood as such here, I am 
still always careful that those I am talking to are on the same wavelength to 
minimise confusion.  

Jacquie

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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum

2004-05-12 Thread Barb ETx
This is great fun to do!
BarbE



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[lace] Fantasy Flowers

2004-05-12 Thread W N Lafferty
Just received a  copy of Rosemary Shepherd's self published book Bobbin Lace Fantasy 
Flowers and
can't wait to start on them.

I had been waiting eagerly for this to be published for some time.  Obviously Rosemary 
has had
trouble with publishers - I'm sure she wont mind me quoting what she says in the 
forward - Like
many lace authors, I have had enough of the loss of control and the poor financial 
return that one
experiences with professional publishers.  No doubt their productions are glossier 
than anything I
will produce, but they are also much more expensive and often beyond the reach of many 
lacemakers,
particularly the young ones, without whom our beautiful craft will have no future.

The book contains directions for 14 different three dimensional flower forms with the 
emphasis on
imagination rather than reality.  Like her Introduction to Bobbin Lacemaking, the 
book is well
presented with lots of clear instructions, diagrams and prickings.

The book can be purchased direct from Rosemary - go to her website at
www.lacedaisypress.com.au.
(Lori - there does not seem to be a link to this on your site)

I hope spiders won't think this is advertising, I have no connection with Rosemary, 
but as the book
is self-published, I thought you all ought to know about it.

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Re: [lace] Re: Braid lace/tape lace

2004-05-12 Thread Weronika Patena
Ah, confusing terminology...

 I was always been taught that laces such as Russian and Milanese are 
 braid
 laces and some of the fillings are done with plaits.  Tape lace is a 
 machine
 made tape tacked onto the pattern and secured with sewing and needle 
 made
 fillings.

I think if we try to include things that aren't bobbin lace in the
terminology, we're going to run out of terms...

 However, since I have been exposed to American terminology on Arachne 
 I have
 been very aware that as you refer to plaits (in lace and hair) as 
 braids, it
 is necessary that you refer to the hand made edges as tapes.
 
 *To me*, what one does with 3 (hair) or 4 (bobbins) strands is a 
 plait. Which I prefer to see written, because I've, quite 
 consistenly, been mispronouncing it for 47 years (I say: pleyt, not 
 plat).  But a cord, that's braided, not plaited; go figure... I 
 suppose, on the if it's flat, it's a plait principle (might help with 
 my ponounciation too g)...

I had no idea it was pronounced like that!  The English language just
keeps surprising me...


 Russian and similiar (Idria etc) -- ie a plain-ish (cloth or half 
 stitch), narrow, meandering thing with fillings made on the go -- 
 that's  tape lace, *to me*.  

That what I always thought it was - I had no idea there was confusion
with this term. 

 But Milanese... Now, that's a *braid* lace :) I learnt it from the 
 Read/Kincaid books, for one thing, and that's the term Pat Read uses, 
 so it stuck. But also, it wasn't difficult for me to internalize and 
 accept the difference in terminology, because of the great difference 
 in the *lace*. The meandering thing in Milanese isn't narrow, isn't 
 plain, and the fillings -- *if any* -- aren't made on the go; they're 
 added after. So, again, *to me*, braid is more complex than plait.  

That sort of seems turned around - I always thought of braids as simple
and plaits as possibly more complicated, not in lace, but just in
general.  But I'm not a native English speaker... 

 Mostly, I used to *think* (being the minority of one g) of it as 
 ribbon and needlelace. But I've been getting more and more 
 dissatisfied with *that* also. Because, on the one hand, you have the 
 Princesse lace (the machine-made ribbon, the needle-lace fillings, 
 but the lot applied to -- machine-made -- net). And, on the other hand, 
 you have the laces where the ribbon *isn't*; it's a *cord*, not flat 
 at all. And that cord can be either hand-made (like in Romanian lace 
 that Angela is spreading in the Western world), or machine-made (like 
 the Chinese? products, where the outlines seem to be made of very long 
 shoe-laces). Ribbon and needlelace works for Battenberg and 
 Branscombe, and, with some extra, for Princesse, but not for those.

I don't know anything about this sort of lace, but what you're
describing sort of sounds like a really big and possibly flat gimp...

 So, I'm as deep in the mud-pile as ever, and have learnt to ask what is 
 meant, *specifically*, whenever I see the term tape mentioned :)

Sounds like a good idea g

Weronika

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RE: [lace] Lace book

2004-05-12 Thread Annette Meldrum
Thanks Sue for all that, now I can rest assured I made the best decision. I
checked my order today and it will arrive any day. They allow 11-15 days
delivery to Australia.

Annette Meldrum
In wet and cold, Wollongong Australia,
 who also found a very cheap second hand copy of Santina's, Lace: A History,
today on Amazon. Even with the exchange rates against us and postage, it was
cheaper than the copies available here in Australia.


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The book is gorgeous  and well worth getting. It weighs 2lb 11.25 oz (you'll
need imperial measurements for the USPS site).

Amazon.com are currently charging $30.60 for it i.e. $14.40 off the list
price. According to their website they charge $6.99 per parcel + $4.99 per
item to mail things to Australia. So the total will be $42.58, which is
61.35 Australian dollars (according to Ask Jeeves). It will save you a lot
to get it from them.


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Re: [lace] plait (playt vs. plat)

2004-05-12 Thread Emma Crew
Weronika, quoting Tamara, writes:
  Which I prefer to see written, because I've, quite 
  consistenly, been mispronouncing it for 47 years (I say: pleyt,
  not plat). I suppose, on the if it's flat, it's a plait 
  principle (might help with my ponounciation too g)...
 
 I had no idea it was pronounced like that!  The English language just
 keeps surprising me...

BOTH pronunciations are correct, at least in the U.S.. Merriam-Webster
gives plate as the primary pronunciation and plat as the secondary.
You can hear the different pronunciations on their online dictionary
entry:
http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionaryva=plait
I, too, have always said plate and only started hearing plat when
studying with teachers from Europe. So it's one of those regional
differences things.

Emma, near Seattle, who learned to speak in California.




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[lace] web sites

2004-05-12 Thread Sylvie Nguyen
Steph,
Thank you for sharing the addresses of the web sites. 
While so many things are lovely, I particularly
enjoyed viewing the fans.

It is a pleasure to view the contributions of Arachne
members in the newest issue of Lace.  Your work
continues to be greatly inspirational.

Sylvie
Cherry Valley, IL, USA




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Re: [lace] Lace magazine

2004-05-12 Thread Helene Gannac
One can only hope it will come back into fashion soon, like knitting has
this year!! Suddenly, everyone wants to knit, although the same books have
been sitting on the shelves for several years being ignored completely
while everyone queued up for the mosaics books!! I suppose it's good
that people be introduced to various crafts, but I hate that I'll do it
because it's fashionable, and I'll drop it as soon as it isn't attitude!
If they learned crafts seriously at school, it would be less obvious.And
what worries me is that there is no room is many people's houses for
manual entertainment (and I don't mean the bed :-))

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who was exposed to crafts since she was
a toddler.


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 Vis-a-vis your comments on Brugges.  The latest issue of Friends of
 
 Flanders, mentions lace for sale - luxurious in Brugges, but no 
 mention of Gent or Brussels.This we find is typical  today, 
 everybody in the tourist world seems to think it is dead!!!   Try 
 getting the media to a lace function - impossible and even when sent the
 
 copy very rarely does it get into the papers or onto TV.
 That's my moan for today.   Bye, Sheila in E.Herts., England


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[lace] craft exposure

2004-05-12 Thread Wildgun004smate
Hi all,

Well, I have been exposed to all kinds of crafts, all self taught, not to 
many crafty people in my family.  I have tried to get my kids involved, to no 
avail, they say that's what I am for. :)  They are proud of my accomplishments, I 
think more so with the bobbin lace than anything else.  I guess because it 
looks so hard.  My one daughter is shocked that I have stuck with it so long.  I 
do other things, like knitting, crochet, tat, needlepoint, embroidery, 
macrame, drawing, painting, sculpting, beading, cross stitch...etc...  But bobbin 
lace seems so relaxing to me, even though some things that I do almost seem 
beyond my reach, but my lacing angel Patty, is right there for me and all goes 
well.  
Just thought I would pop in with a thought of my own. 

Lynn
wildgun004smate
Clarksburg, WV  

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[lace] Loehr's flowers

2004-05-12 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
 On May 12, 2004, at 3:52, Eva Von Der Bey wrote:

So I'll try to be back as a regular visitor, at least lurking, an hope 
to become a resident of arachne town again.
Glad to have you back with us whenever you can mange

The weekend class I enjoyed was with Ulrike Loehr, we tried brandnew
patterns:
Art Noveau style flowers in PG lace! Wow!
The motives in silk of different colours on an in ecru background are
natural flowers, although their spirit is art noveau, they are 
clearly
recognizable.
Since you're a regular student of Loehr's, can you tell us what the 
story is on the *Mechlin* flowers? She showed us some prickings at 
the last IOLI Convention (summer '03, in Hasbrouck Heights, NJ) and 
said the book would be called Ice Flowers (playing on words as usual 
g) Being a great fan of Loehr's, I've been looking forward to that 
book. But, although the flowers there were also somewhat Art 
Nouveau-ish, I assumed they were going to be all white (since Ice 
flowers is what frost paints on the windowpanes in wintertime). And, 
what you've been test driving past weekend is in colour, *and* in PG, 
so it's not the same thing...

Or, has she decided to re-think the original idea? Am I now looking 
forward to *two* great new books, or still one?

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[lace] Tape laces

2004-05-12 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
I think there is a slight difference between Battenberg lace and Branscombe.
Branscombe has a wider variety of fillings, and has picots on the bars.  It
also has a distinctive needlelace edge - a shell stitch  (like the 16th
stitch in the DMC Encyclopaedia of Needlework, by de Dillmont.)

I think this is right - but I am open to correction!!!

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[lace] Fantasy flowers

2004-05-12 Thread Helene Gannac
Thanks for posting this, Noelene, I wasn't aware of it, and will love to
buy a copy too. I might have seen it at the AGM, but this way, I've saved
a few months deprivement...:-))

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, where it was 5 degrees Celcius when i
went to work this morning, buit the sky is still blue, blue, blue.


Just received a  copy of Rosemary Shepherd's self published book Bobbin 
Lace Fantasy Flowers and can't wait to start on them.



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[lace] Lace in Belgium and Netherlands

2004-05-12 Thread owner-lace
Devon, 

If that rumour is true (perhaps our Belgian spiders could try to find
out?), maybe we should find an email address for the Mayor and all email
our dismay to him about there being no lace in Brugge...We did that once
before for Nottingham, although I'm not sure it's had any effect so far?

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne


If anyone is traveling to Belgium and the Netherlands as I have just
done, I  will provide the following up to date info.
In Brugge, Arendshuis which is actually the same museum as the Brandgwyn 
has no lace in it any more although there are still catalogs being sold
that have lace pictured in them. Likewise the Gruuthuse Museum which sells
a huge and enticing catalogue of lace does not display any. The other
major museum the Groeninge doesn't have any either. 
Apparently all the lace is Brugge is in storage and an administrative 
person I spoke to does not know when or it will be shown again.  (I heard
a rumor that the mayor of Brugge does not value the lace heritage and this

explains the disappearance of lace from the major museums.) There was a
small exhibit at the Kantcentrum on War Lace. 
Devon

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[lace-chat] Hippo racing - Canadian eh?

2004-05-12 Thread Jean Nathan
During a phone in on my local radio station a week or so ago, the caller was
asked if she'd been to South America.
Yes.
 Where?
California.
But that's in North America.
No, Alaska's North America - California is South America.

Jean in Poole

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[lace-chat] Subject: Exercise for your shoulders (lace)

2004-05-12 Thread Helene Gannac
This is great for older lacemakers.  Younger people try it at their own
risk. This is working well for me.
 
For those of us getting along in years, here is a little secret for 
building your arm and shoulder muscles.  You might want to adopt this and
do it three days a week.

 Begin by standing straight, with a 5-LB.  potato sack in each hand.  
Extend your arms straight out from your sides and hold them there as long
as you can-try to reach a full minute.  Relax.

After a few weeks, move up to 10-LB.  potato sacks, and then 50-LB. potato
sacks, and eventually try to get to where you can lift a 100-LB. potato 
sack in each hand and hold your arms straight out for more than a full
minute.  
After you feel confident at that level, start putting a couple of potatoes
in the bags.

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who is exhausted after lifting for 10 mns...

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[lace-chat] re:gone to the dogs

2004-05-12 Thread Maureen Harvey
Hi Tamara,
Being the owner,(or do I mean being the servant) of a ten month old Yorkshire
Terrier named Roly, I can heartily endorse all of gone to the dogs
I now get a daily walk (whether I want one or not)
Dinner is on time (or else)
Between 7pm and 9pm is playtime (no matter what else I have in mind)
He helps me with my lace ( steals rolls of thread, bobbins, anything he can
lay his hands? teeth on)
But I cannot now imagine life without him.
M.Sue in Norfolk - UK

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[lace-chat] Children and the Church

2004-05-12 Thread Jeanette Fischer
   Pastor Dave Charlton tells us, After a worship service
at First Baptist Church in Newcastle, Kentucky, a mother
with a fidgety seven-year old boy told me how she finally

got her son to sit still and be quiet.  About halfway
through the sermon, she leaned over and whispered, 'If you
don't be quiet, Pastor Charlton is going to lose his place
and will have to start his sermon all over again!'
 It worked.

?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?


   A little boy was attending his first wedding.
After the service, his cousin asked him,  How many women
can a man marry?
 Sixteen, the boy responded.  His cousin was amazed
that he had an answer so quickly.
 How do you know that?
 Easy, the little boy said.
 All you have to do is add it up, like the Bishop said:
4 better, 4 worse, 4 richer, 4 poorer.

º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º

 After a church service on Sunday morning,  a young boy
suddenly announced to his mother,  Mom, I've decided to
become a minister When I grow up. That's okay with us, but what made
you decide that?
 Well, said the little boy, I have to go to church on
Sunday anyway, and I figure it will be more fun to stand up
and yell,  than to sit and listen.


?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?

A 6-year-old was overheard reciting the Lord's Prayer at
a  church service:  And forgive us our trash passes, as we
forgive those who passed trash against us.


?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?


A boy was watching his father, a pastor, write a sermon.
 How do you know what to say? he asked.
 Why, God tells me.
 Oh, then why do you keep crossing things out?


?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?


 After the christening of his baby brother in church,
little Johnny sobbed all the way home in the back seat of
the car. His father asked him three times what was wrong.
  Finally, the boy replied,  That priest said he wanted
us brought up in a Christian home,  and I want to stay withyou guys!

?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?


 The Sunday School Teacher asks,  Now, Johnny, tell
me frankly do you say prayers before eating?
   No sir, little Johnny replies,  I don't have to. My
Mom is a good cook.

?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?oo?º°'°º?o?º°'°º?


  A little girl was sitting on
her grandfather's lap as he read her a bedtime story.
From time to time, she would take her eyes off the book and
reach up to touch his wrinkled cheek.  She was alternately
stroking her own cheek, then his again. Finally she spoke
up, Grandpa, did God make you? Yes, sweetheart, he
answered, God made me a long time ago.
 Oh, she paused, Grandpa, did God make me too?
 Yes, indeed, honey, he said, God made you just a
little while ago.
 Feeling their respective faces again, she observed
God's getting better at it, isn't he?

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[lace-chat] RE: Antiques Roadshow

2004-05-12 Thread Mary Robi
Hi All,

For anyone living in Nebraska USA, the Antiques Roadshow will be in Omaha 
the week-end of July 10.

I work for PBS so can't take items for the show unless I am a volunteer for 
the event. I volunteered myself and DH. Woohooo! I imagine we'll be really 
busy, but hope to see all those antiques that don't make the show! We get to 
take 2 items.

Speaking of antiques. There were 2 antique sales here (lots of vendors 
gathered in one place), and at the first was an elderly woman who had 
salvaged tons of lace and other trimmings. I found a 7 yd x 3 inch piece of 
linen thread bobbin lace for $7 and a small round silk piece with a picture 
stamped on it and leaf tallies forming flowers all around the edge. It looks 
like something sold to tourists, maybe Italian. It was very inexpensive. 
Obviously, she didn't know or care that many of her laces were not only 
vintage, but hand made as well. She had lots of bobbin lace.

At the second antique sale, was a booth that had lace yardages, trims and 
vintage wedding gowns, etc. This woman knew what she had, and new the hand 
made laces from the manufactured. Believe me, the hand made laces were sold 
as true antique pieces with prices to match. Although I didn't buy any, I 
was so happy to see them salvaged! There were some luscious yards of bobbin 
lace.

Now that I know what bobbin lace looks like, I'm seeing lots of it at 
antique sales. Of course, I have no idea how old any of these laces are, but 
knowing they're hand made makes them prescious to me.

Mary

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[lace-chat] Re: Pictures (was Heather's Phone Call)

2004-05-12 Thread Jane Bawn
On May 8, 2004, at 16:43, H. Muth (Heather) wrote:

 I like having the voice and the photo to go along with the letters
 from Arachnids.  I 'hear' them when I read their writings.  I have a
 picture of Bev Walker in my mind whenever she writes.  And any others
 I have met or heard or of whom I have seen pictures.  It just adds to
 the daily Arachne dose.

I know what you mean Heather having been to www.lacefairy.com and seen a lot
of the faces attached to the most familiar names on this list I find I have
the face in mind when I read their messages it must be nice to be able to
attach the voice also.

I'm born and bred Portsmouth but English speaking foreigners tend to think I
come from London.  Huh! an me that speaks the Queen's English don't you
know. NOT! LOL

Jane Bawn
Portchester, UK
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[lace-chat] Queen Anne's Lace

2004-05-12 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
Never mind the plants, Barbara, - go and join in, and make lace there!! -
You could sit on the edge of the quilters section - just have a day
demonstrating!  I put my handmade lace on  quilts,  so lace fits in with
that craft!
Your weather should be a lot better, for sitting in gardens, than it is here
in Melbourne, at the moment!!!

(And I Loved the film The Dish  It was a gem!)

from Liz in Melbourne, Oz,
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[lace-chat] Crafts

2004-05-12 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On May 12, 2004, at 20:17, Helene Gannac wrote:

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who was exposed to crafts since she 
was
a toddler.
Lucky you... I'm like Lynn, all self-taught. My mother knitted (plain 
stuff, to wear) and sewed (again, only practical things -- clothes), 
but refused to teach me until 5th or 6th grade, when I had to learn 
anyway, for the manual labour class. Both my parents appreciated arts 
and crafts, but they only appreciated *excellence* at whatever you did. 
As soon as it was obvious that I had two left hands but a nimble 
brain, it was books and straight A-s for me, and don't waste your time 
on that nonsense... So I didn't :)

My suggestion that, after primary school, I ought to go to a 
technikum (called vocational here in US, I think), either the 
textile one or the book one, was greeted with horror and not even 
considered; I was to go to a liceum, which prepared one for 
University... So, I spent 4 yrs of highschool's manual labour classs 
(1.5 hours, once a week) telling jokes to the teacher and the class, 
while everyone else embroidered, or knitted, or crocheted, etc. Still 
got my A, but didn't learn a thing.

It was only after I came here, that I began to catch up, for something 
better to do (I was un-employable, being from a red country *and* 
trained in teaching English as a foreign language g). Mostly, from 
books. I suppose, things have worked out OK for me -- on the one hand, 
I had the freedom to do what I wanted to but, on the other, had had 
enough experience of books to be able to suck all the honey from them 
:)

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Tamara P Duvall
Lexington, Virginia,  USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/
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Re: [lace-chat] Subject: Exercise for your shoulders (lace)

2004-05-12 Thread dominique
Helene Gannac a décidé d' écrire à  Ò[lace-chat] Subject: Exercise for your 
shoulders (lace)Ó.
[2004/05/12 10:07]


 After you feel confident at that level, start putting a couple of potatoes
 in the bags.
 
 Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who is exhausted after lifting for 10 
 mns...

 
roaring with laughter . hope my upstairs neighbours weren't asleep  ! 
.. good start to a day ending with a lace lesson .. i usually leave work 
earlier telling everyone going to make lace !  to which they answer oh 
yes . happy embroidery ! ... g seems embroidery is to the 
french what tatting is for the americans : all inclusive !.

dominique from Paris, Frogland ...

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