[lace] Binche pixels & contemporary lace design

[LacySuzette]

Also need to thank the authors/teachers for their generosity in sharing their
concepts! Susan

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[lace] Binche pixels & contemporary lace design

[LacySuzette]

Thank you for posting these links Sue! What a treat!! Susan, South Florida 

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Re: [lace] Binche

[Sue Babbs]

I've also turned bookmarks into scarves or wall-hangings by using the 
magnified working diagram as the pricking



Sue

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Re: [lace] Binche

[Anna Binnie]

Susan, thank you for showing that you can learn the techniques of Binche 
by expanding the pricking and using a thicker thread. I've been battling 
for years that to learn a technique you need to see the threads clearly 
and as some of us are aging , instead of using magnifiers we should 
consider using thicker threads instead.


When I was in Brugge for the festival, one of the men demonstrating lace 
at the Brewery was making a Binche edging is thick linen, he was using 
his teachers working diagrams as the pricking. Lace was beautiful and 
study enough to pop it in the washing machine!


Anna in Sydney where the gentle sound of rain is filling the water tanks

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[lace] Binche

[hottleco]

Hello All! I am living proof that one can work a beginner Binche pattern & live 
to tell the tale! A friend in BC suggested pattern 1 in Binche Deel 1 by Bep V 
R de Vries. With her help & coaching by email, my bookmark is now finished & 
posted to Arachne Flickr. Thanks to all who have mastered the art of tensioning 
take ins & take outs without support pins. Your comments are duly noted but in 
the end, there were just too many challenges for me to manage at once & I 
succumbed to helper pins. The good news is, once it's off the pillow, no one 
knows what tricks were used! The unpinned method will be among my goals once I 
have a better understanding of this lace. The book is B-387 in the IOLI library 
& a few cute patterns are on my radar: a little peacock, a snail & some 
Christmas trees. The book will be returned next week in case anyone else wants 
to give Binche a try. I enlarged the pattern 145% & used Aurifil Mako 50/2 
cotton thread. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA

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Re: [lace] Binche book

[b...@historichousehunter.com]

I also have a copy of that book I'd be happy to sell. It's here in the USA, so 
if anyone would like it, please feel free to make me an offer directly. 

Thanks,
Beth Harpell 

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[lace] Binche book

[N.A. Neff]

Hi all,

Someone was looking for Michael Guisiana's 2002 book Binche I, long out of
print, but I can't remember who it was. I hope s/he is on Arachne: there's
a copy available for sale on ebay--search on "binche lace". Be sure to
click on worldwide in the options on the left, because the posting is from
the UK.

HTH

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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[lace] Binche/Val

[Lorelei Halley]

To continue the earlier discussion about Mechlin and Brussels lace, this
adds on Binche and Val as identifiers.

I think when most lace makers say "Val" they are thinking of the Revival Era
lace which had the so-called "square" ground with relatively dense
clothwork. Here is an example.

http://lynxlace.com/images/lace64b.jpg and
http://lynxlace.com/images/lace584c.jpg 

A modern sample which makes the structure clearer.
http://lynxlace.com/images/lace128atxt.JPG 

 

Also I think that most lace makers think of modern Binche with snowflake
ground, and other ground and fillings. Or perhaps they include the amorphous
gimpless laces of the Revival Era. Michael Giusiana has a lace of this type
in his first Binche book, BINCHE publ 1989 pages 78-79. In the Revival Era
these two types - Binche and Val - are quite distinct. But historically, in
the 18th century the distinction was not that great in overall appearance,
style, or where they were made.

 

This map shows Binche bottom center. Valenciennes is at the same latitude,
about 20-30 miles directly west. In the center outlined in red is the town
of Mechlin/Malines/Mechelen.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mechelen,+Belgium/@50.8853106,4.3808266,9z
/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c3e59450852049:0x40099ab2f4d5800!8m2!3d51.0258761!4d4.4
775362 

 

All of these laces are from a small region. I have heard that other
historians regard them all as very much the same. It certainly is possible
that information, styles, designs could have been passed back and forth.
Most working people would not have traveled far from their birthplace at
that time, but the distances are so close that merchants could easily have
done so.

 

So, in terms of names, I have been using the name Binche/Val for the 18th
century  gimpless lace with a lace pair, and Flanders/Mechlin for the 18th c
lace with gimp.

 

Binche/Val and Flanders/Mechlin all have in common that 2 pairs enter the
clothwork at each pin.  This produces some very complex thread paths in the
clothwork. This distinguishes them from the Point Ground laces, which have
only 1 pair entering (usually).

 

Binche/Val has many similarities with Flanders, structurally, but there are
also differences. Val and Binche do not have gimp, so the problem arises of
how to give a cloth motif and curved rounded smooth boundary. The solution
is to add a "lace pair".  Flanders uses the gimp to serve this purpose. Here
are diagrams showing the 2 side by side.

http://lynxlace.com/images-h-det-diag/valenciennesgnd.JPG   

http://lynxlace.com/images-h-det-diag/flandersgnd.JPG 

Binche/Val from the 18th c.  http://lynxlace.com/images/lace2au.JPG 

 

As with other laces the progression through the 1700s was that laces started
out, early in the time period, to have large motifs with only very small
spaces between. There was virtually no ground at all. But as the century
progressed the ground gradually occupied more and more of the space, until
at about 1800 the ground occupied 90% of the surface.

 

I personally find laces from the 1600s very difficult to deal with. There
are certain ones that I just don't know what to do with. This includes part
laces, as well as the straight/continuous laces.  When I talk about laces
from c 1650-1700 I call them Early Flemish/Brussels (for the part laces),
and Early Binche/Val for the Straight/continuous laces. I am not sure
whether any laces that early had gimp. I am not sure when gimp first
appeared.  Antwerp dominated during that time period, but Antwerp is just
the norther edge of the region on the map. The Antwerp laces also used a
variety of grounds. Paris ground was only one of them.

 

So, for photos - 

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/early-straight-laces/  This includes
some LePompe type laces, look near the end.

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/binche-%2Bvalenciennes-early/ 

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/binche-revival-eramodern/ 

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/valenciennes/ 

 

So, for what it is worth ... this is how I use the terms when talking to
myself.

Flemish or early Flemish/early Brussels - part laces 1650-1700

Brussels - part laces 1700 to early 1800s. Levey uses the term Brabant for
the loosely woven, less taught designs, which she attributes to country
regions not close to the city.

Duchesse - part laces from that region, last half 19th c into the 20th c.

 

Binche/Val -  straight laces from the 18th century, without gimp.

Binche - straight laces Revival Era (late 19th into early 20th c) and
modern, using a variety of grounds.

Val - straight laces with square Val ground Revival Era and modern

 

Mechlin/Flanders - straight laces with gimp from the 1700s using a variety
of grounds

Mechlin - revival era and modern  lace using Mechlin ground

Flanders - revival era and modern straight lace using 5 hole ground

 

I can't imagine who is actually going to read this whole post. But there it
is.

Lorelei Halley

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RE: [lace] binche challenge

[Lorelei Halley]

I love the curly thread being included!

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Subject: RE: [lace] binche challenge

I'm not the only one being challenged: http://tinyurl.com/zervkav But all
your advice made me change my mind.

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Re: [lace] Binche challenge

[Sue Babbs]

Neat solution to the piece you don't want to complete!

Sue 


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I'm not the only one being challenged: http://tinyurl.com/zervkav

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RE: [lace] binche challenge

[jo]

I'm not the only one being challenged: http://tinyurl.com/zervkav
But all your advice made me change my mind.


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> Some years ago I bravely started with the "Binche Compact" sampler. 
> I finally decided to finish it with a shortcut, ...
> https://kantelier.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/challenge/

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[lace] Binche

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Arachnids

Re:
Subject: Re: [lace] Support pin in Binche cloth areas

At the risk of being called lace police there is no need to use support pins,


Lace police are those who dictate and insist that their way is the correct one
and the only one that should be used. I like to try all the techniques I come
across and then use the one that is best for me. By giving us the benefit of
your experience we gain more understanding of how we can make lace and so
choose the technique that fits the situation and our individual way of
working. I will definitely try this one.

Thank you Susan for sharing your experience of making Binche.

Alex

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[lace] Binche link

[Adele Shaak]

OK, in my last message the mail program put the .jpg ending on the next line,
so the links I gave don’t work.
Let’s try again: https://tinyurl.com/lu6ej8q 
for the binche kompakt sampler.

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Re: [lace] binche challenge

[Adele Shaak]

Wow, it was indeed brave of you, Jo, to start on this sampler!
Sorry I can’t help you with any sage advice, I’m not a genius at finishing
Binche. I’m looking forward to reading the advice you do get.

For everybody’s eye candy this morning, I found this picture of the binche
sampler (not Jo’s) on the Web:
https://hetcreatievekantje.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/binche-slagen-monster.
jpg


Searching the web for pictures of the sampler is a lot better if you
“Germanify” the spelling: binche kompakt gets you lots of photos.

Adele
In snowy West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

> Some years ago I bravely started with the "Binche Compact" sampler. I
> finally decided to finish it with a shortcut, dropping the last three
edges.
> That means changing the third last edge. It replaced the tension challenge
> with a challenge to make ends meet. Details are depicted on my blog. Any
> advice would be welcome.
>
> https://kantelier.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/challenge/

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[lace] binche challenge

[jo]

Hello Spiders

 

Some years ago I bravely started with the "Binche Compact" sampler. I
finally decided to finish it with a shortcut, dropping the last three edges.
That means changing the third last edge. It replaced the tension challenge
with a challenge to make ends meet. Details are depicted on my blog. Any
advice would be welcome.

https://kantelier.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/challenge/

 

Jo

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[lace] Binche Candle

[Christine Johnson]

Hi Sherry,
 
Several years ago, I saw the picture of this little candle, drafted a
pattern from the really tiny picture and worked it for a Christmas card
exchange (GumLace, not Arachne). When I was in Brugge in 2008, and was
telling the story of how much trouble this tiny little project involved,
I guess I shouldn't have been surprised to find out that it was
Anne-Marie Verbeke-Billiet's pattern -  she generously gave me the
pattern sheet with 2 slightly different versions of the candle (and my
flame was a bolletje, so it represents a third version since Annemie had
worked it as a tiny shape).  I don't think I have seen it published
subsequently (and I subscribe to "Kant" and the Kantcentrum's pattern
folders that they publish every 2 years to coincide with the OIDFA
Congress, so I don't miss a lot of Binche patterns).
 
Christine J (in Sydney, Australia)

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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Eve Morton]

Alix, Clay and Susan,

Thank you very much for the information on the Binche rabbit pattern. I 
know that the Lace Guild has a copy of this folio so will ask if it is 
available.  Arachne is a wonderful source of information for lacemakers.


Eve
Poole, Dorset, UK

On 09/03/2016 21:35, Clay Blackwell wrote:

Susan and Eve...  Just to confirm, I have Folio II, and it is definitely the 
first pattern in the folder!  A very sweet piece!



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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Clay Blackwell]

Susan and Eve...  Just to confirm, I have Folio II, and it is definitely the 
first pattern in the folder!  A very sweet piece!

Clay

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> On Mar 9, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Susan Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eve
> 
> I think the pattern you want is in Memoire II by Kumiko (this one has a green
> cover), it's pattern 1 - Spring.  It was published in 1998 so The Lace Guild
> is probably your best bet
> 
> Susan
> --
> Susan Roberts
> Newton-le-Willows

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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Susan Roberts]

Hi Eve

I think the pattern you want is in Memoire II by Kumiko (this one has a green
cover), it's pattern 1 - Spring.  It was published in 1998 so The Lace Guild
is probably your best bet

Susan
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Susan Roberts
Newton-le-Willows
Website: www.susanroberts.info

> On 9 Mar 2016, at 18:16, Eve Morton  wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Please can anyone help me to find the pattern for a square edge of rabbits
in various poses made in Binche lace.  If the pattern is available in a book I
would be happy to buy the book or to borrow from the Lace Guild if they have
it.  The finished lace is 25cms square and 5.5cms deep.

> --
> Eve
> Poole, Dorset, UK
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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Clay Blackwell]

Hi Eve,

The  Rabbit handkerchief was designed by Kumiko Nakazaki and is the first 
pattern in her "Memoire II" folio.  She is a gifted designer, and one of the 
last (and youngest) still teaching from the Kantcentrum Master Class!

Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA,  USA

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> On Mar 9, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Eve Morton  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone again,
> 
> With Sue Babbs timely information I hope that I have managed to create an 
> album and upload the photo of the lace corner  of the Binche lace rabbits 
> now.  The link to the photo (I hope) is:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/25024339713/in/album-72157665696874675/
> 
> Eve
> Poole, Dorset, UK
> 
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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Karen ZM]

Beautiful indeed.
Karen in Malta

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Re: [lace] Binche Rabbits

[Eve Morton]

Hello everyone again,

With Sue Babbs timely information I hope that I have managed to create 
an album and upload the photo of the lace corner  of the Binche lace 
rabbits now.  The link to the photo (I hope) is:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/25024339713/in/album-72157665696874675/

Eve
Poole, Dorset, UK

On 09/03/2016 18:16, Eve Morton wrote:

Hello everyone,

Please can anyone help me to find the pattern for a square edge of
rabbits in various poses made in Binche lace.


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[lace] Binche Rabbits

[Eve Morton]

Hello everyone,

Please can anyone help me to find the pattern for a square edge of 
rabbits in various poses made in Binche lace.  If the pattern is 
available in a book I would be happy to buy the book or to borrow from 
the Lace Guild if they have it.  The finished lace is 25cms square and 
5.5cms deep.


I have a photo of the lace made by a past member of PBLC however I am at 
a loss as to how to log in to the flicker site to create an album and 
upload the photo of the lace.  I know that in the past there has been 
information on how to upload photos but a quick search of the archives 
failed to find the information and I haven't been able to log in either. 
 I don't think that I have ever logged into flicker but have enjoyed 
looking at other peoples albums.


I'm currently working on Herfst with the acorns and berries by Kumiko 
Nakazaki and hope to finish it later this year, one more side and two 
corners to go plus of course the overlap.


Thanks in anticipation of any assistance the lace community can give me.
--
Eve
Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] Binche Peacock

[Anita Hansen]

On Feb 9, 2015, at 3:04 PM, d2one...@comcast.net wrote:

> Not sure about the peacock, but the Madonna and child look so much in the 
> style of Milca Eremiasova--what is the source of that pattern, and  ,please, 
> where can I purchase it?

I'm sorry, but the other photo in my Flicker album on arachne is a collage if 
snippets of lace photos taken at the National Czech & Slovak Museum in Cedar 
Rapids, Iowa.  So I have know idea where the design can be found.

Anita Hansen

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Re: [lace] Binche Peacock

[d2oneill]

Not sure about the peacock, but the Madonna and child look so much in the style 
of Milca Eremiasova--what is the source of that pattern, and ,please, where can 
I purchase it? 

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Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 11:45:23 AM 
Subject: [lace] Binche Peacock 

Hi Sherry! 

I think I have made the peacock that was discussed, but I'm not sure. My 
patterns and lace books are still packed away after our move so I can't check 
the pattern to see if was from OIDFA. I have uploaded a photo of my lace to 
the arachne2003 flicker account. 

My Binche lace skills are primarily self taught. If you can follow a 
color-coded Belgium diagram you are well on your way to doing Binche! Oh, and 
being able manage a zillion bobbins helps! LOL! If you can't find a Binche 
workshop, one in Flanders or Paris is the next best thing. The most difficult 
part of working Binche lace (aside from the zillion bobbins) is that it will 
keep you on your toes. You will need to constantly refer to the diagram. 
This isn't Torchon where you look at the lace and automatically know what to 
do and easily get into a repeatable rhythm. So you will either like that or 
you won't. I don't even bother taking my Binche project to a lace 
demonstration because I need to concentrate. I also put my working diagram on 
a styrofoam board (covered with fabric) so I can use pins to keep my place. I 
will suggest that it helped me to practice Flanders ground, Paris ground and 
snowflake ground before I just jumped into one of Kumiko Nakazaki's design 
which was similar in size to this peacock. 

Kumiko Nakazaki will be teaching a class on Binche lace at the upcoming 2015 
IOLI convention. I am delighted to say it is being co-hosted by the Doris 
Southard Lace Guild right here in eastern Iowa, namely Coralville. You can 
find information on the IOLI website. And you will (hopefully) find me in her 
class too! 

Anita Hansen 
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 

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[lace] Binche Peacock

[Anita Hansen]

Hi Sherry!

I think I have made the peacock that was discussed, but I'm not sure.  My
patterns and lace books are still packed away after our move so I can't check
the pattern to see if was from OIDFA.  I have uploaded a photo of my lace to
the arachne2003 flicker account.

My Binche lace skills are primarily self taught.  If you can follow a
color-coded Belgium diagram you are well on your way to doing Binche!  Oh, and
being able manage a zillion bobbins helps! LOL!  If you can't find a Binche
workshop, one in Flanders or Paris is the next best thing.  The most difficult
part of working Binche lace (aside from the zillion bobbins) is that it will
keep you on your toes.  You will need to constantly refer to the diagram.
This isn't Torchon where you look at the lace and automatically know what to
do and easily get into a repeatable rhythm.  So you will either like that or
you won't.  I don't even bother taking my Binche project to a lace
demonstration because I need to concentrate.  I also put my working diagram on
a styrofoam board (covered with fabric) so I can use pins to keep my place.  I
will suggest that it helped me to practice Flanders ground, Paris ground and
snowflake ground before I just jumped into one of Kumiko Nakazaki's design
which was similar in size to this peacock.

Kumiko Nakazaki will be teaching a class on Binche lace at the upcoming 2015
IOLI convention.  I am delighted to say it is being co-hosted by the Doris
Southard Lace Guild right here in eastern Iowa, namely Coralville.  You can
find information on the IOLI website.  And you will (hopefully) find me in her
class too!

Anita Hansen
Cedar Rapids, Iowa

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RE: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern

[Lorri Ferguson]

Thank you Sue and Delores,
That is just what I needed.I knew this  list would be able to help me much
sooner than I could find in on one of the many boxes still unpacked.
Gentle Spiders are the best.Lorri


>
> Lorri
> I'm sending you a scan of the working diagram that Delores mentions.
>
> Sue
>
> suebabbs...@gmail.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Delores Miller

> Subject: Re: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern
>
> Dear Lorri,
>
> I have one from OIDFA, 2009, Bulletin 2, pg20 & 21.
>

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Re: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern

[Jeriames]

Dear Lorri,
 
You mention taking a class.  Did you start making the Binche Peacock  in 
that class?   Who was the teacher?   If you tell us,  perhaps there is someone 
else on Arachne who attended the exact same  class.  
 
Since we know that Clay writes to Arachne about Binche lace, she is also a  
resource.  You'll find her contact information in  the 2015-2016 IOLI 
Handbook which was delivered to members (you are  listed in it) last week. 
 
Your lace class was recent.  Perhaps you  may contact the teacher via the 
faculty committee person to  whom you sent your class registration.  Usually, 
teachers are  accommodating, and they love to know of your progress 
(feedback) and continuing  interest.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
 
--
 
 
In a message dated 1/26/2015 2:07:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lorri...@msn.com writes:

Dear  Spiders,
About a year ago I took a class and started the Binche Peacock  piece.It is
about 12 cm (4.5") tall and 6 cm (2.25") wide, with rounded  upper and lower
ends.Well, life got in the way and I have misplaced the  working diagram 
(in my
house move last summer).Does anyone know where the  pattern came from 
(possibly
an OIDFA publication) or do you have the  diagram itself.I thought it was 
with
the pillow/pricking but it isn't there  now.  I am desperate to finish it 
asap.
My goal for this year is to  finish as many pieces as possible and get my 
lace
materials more  organized.  Much of my lace things are still in the  packing
boxes.

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Re: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern

[Sue Babbs]

Lorri
I'm sending you a scan of the working diagram that Delores mentions.  


Sue

suebabbs...@gmail.com 
-Original Message- 
From: Delores Miller 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:14 PM 
To: Lorri Ferguson ; lace arachne 
Subject: Re: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern 


Dear Lorri,

I have one from OIDFA, 2009, Bulletin 2, pg20 & 21.  


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Re: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern

[Delores Miller]

Dear Lorri,

I have one from OIDFA, 2009, Bulletin 2, pg20 & 21.  The picture is the size 
discribed but the pattern is smaller.  If you can not find your magazine I 
will bring you mine to use.


I like your goals.  They are very similar to mine.

Delores Miller from sunny Sedro-Woolley, WA, USA


- Original Message - 
From: "Lorri Ferguson" 

To: "lace arachne" 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 11:06 AM
Subject: [lace] Binche Peacock pattern



Dear Spiders,
About a year ago I took a class and started the Binche Peacock piece.It is
about 12 cm (4.5") tall and 6 cm (2.25") wide, with rounded upper and 
lower
ends.Well, life got in the way and I have misplaced the working diagram 
(in my
house move last summer).Does anyone know where the pattern came from 
(possibly
an OIDFA publication) or do you have the diagram itself.I thought it was 
with
the pillow/pricking but it isn't there now.  I am desperate to finish it 
asap.
My goal for this year is to finish as many pieces as possible and get my 
lace

materials more organized.  Much of my lace things are still in the packing
boxes.

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[lace] Binche Peacock pattern

[Lorri Ferguson]

Dear Spiders,
About a year ago I took a class and started the Binche Peacock piece.It is
about 12 cm (4.5") tall and 6 cm (2.25") wide, with rounded upper and lower
ends.Well, life got in the way and I have misplaced the working diagram (in my
house move last summer).Does anyone know where the pattern came from (possibly
an OIDFA publication) or do you have the diagram itself.I thought it was with
the pillow/pricking but it isn't there now.  I am desperate to finish it asap.
My goal for this year is to finish as many pieces as possible and get my lace
materials more organized.  Much of my lace things are still in the packing
boxes.

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[lace] continuous lace Binche

[Lorelei Halley]

Those interested in the structure of antique Binche may enjoy some photos and
discussion on laceioli. Akiko Momiyama has posted some greatly enlarged and
detailed photos, where she has marked in thread paths, and found some places
where pairs were added or removed.
http://laceioli.ning.com/forum/topics/tracing-antique-binche-valencienne-are-
they-really-continuous

Lorelei

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[lace] Binche & Mechlin

[hottleco]

These laces were displayed in several "map drawers" in Guelph.  Lots of yardage 
(many narrow strips) & I couldn't get good pics.  Sorry Clay.  Susan Hottle 

iPhone

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RE: [lace] Binche at IOLI Convention

[Charlotte Moore]

Kumiko is a fantastic teacher and designer! 

-Original Message-
From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
Janice Blair
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 12:23 PM
To: lace
Subject: [lace] Binche at IOLI Convention

I tried to post this from my gmail account and I haven't seen it so I
decided to post again, sorry if it gets duplicated.  I am on digests and it
was not in the last one.


Some of you may have heard that Anny Noben Sleger will not be at convention
this year.  She had an operation this month and will probably still be
recuperating. 
 The exciting news is that Kumiko Nakazaki from Japan has agreed to take
over for Anny.  Kumiko teaches in Michigan and Florida, so she is familiar
to many lacemakers in the US.  There are three places open at the convention
in the Binche class in Salt Lake City so if you know anyone who might be
interested in taking a class with her, please let them know.  You can check
out information at Beehive Lacers website
https://sites.google.com/site/beehivelacers/home/  

The information will still be under Anny's name and the class number will
remain the same at AP002.  This is a 24 hour class and Kumiko will take
beginners so long as they can read drawings.  Suggested supplies are round
or square pillow, continental bobbins, 70/2 to 140/2 Egyptian cotton and
fine long pins.

A few classes were canceled, but many are being held that have some spaces,
so if you are still thinking about coming to convention this summer, now is
the time to sign up.Janice
--
Janice Blair
IOLI Convention Teacher Coordinator Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles
northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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[lace] Binche at IOLI Convention

[Janice Blair]

I tried to post this from my gmail account and I haven't seen it so I decided 
to 
post again, sorry if it gets duplicated.  I am on digests and it was not in the 
last one.


Some of you may have heard that Anny Noben Sleger will not be at convention 
this 
year.  She had an operation this month and will probably still be recuperating. 
 The exciting news is that Kumiko Nakazaki from Japan has agreed to take over 
for Anny.  Kumiko teaches in Michigan and Florida, so she is familiar to many 
lacemakers in the US.  There are three places open at the convention in the 
Binche class in Salt Lake City so if you know anyone who might be interested in 
taking a class with her, please let them know.  You can check out information 
at 
Beehive Lacers website https://sites.google.com/site/beehivelacers/home/  

The information will still be under Anny's name and the class number will 
remain 
the same at AP002.  This is a 24 hour class and Kumiko will take beginners so 
long as they can read drawings.  Suggested supplies are round or square pillow, 
continental bobbins, 70/2 to 140/2 Egyptian cotton and fine long pins.

A few classes were canceled, but many are being held that have some spaces, so 
if you are still thinking about coming to convention this summer, now is the 
time to sign up.Janice
-- 
Janice Blair
IOLI Convention Teacher Coordinator Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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[lace] Binche, Flanders and Flower lace course, November 2012, Essex, UK

[Carol Maxwell]

Is anyone interested in a Belgian lace course, lasting 4 days, with Anne-Marie
Verbeke Billiet? I organise a small class which takes place just outside
Colchester in Essex. The dates are Tuesday 6th Nov - Friday 9th Nov 2012.
Some people have dropped out this year and I have a couple of spaces.  If
anyone is interested, please contact me for further information.

Carol Maxwell
carol_m_maxw...@hotmail.com

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RE: [lace] Binche

[Ruth Budge]

Sue, for some reason, Comcast (Clay's internet provider) seems to refuse
mail from overseas internet providers.   A couple of years ago, I was
successful in getting Optus transferred onto Comcast's "acceptable" list,
and got a few emails through OK.  But they stopped accepting them again very
quickly.

To deal with queries about Lace RXP from anyone on Comcast, I get them to
write to my usual email address, then I use gmail or Yahoo to reply to
them.Comcast will accept either of those servers.

Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)

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Sue Fink
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:36 AM
To: lace digest
Subject: [lace] Binche

Hi Clay,

 

I have tried to send this message directly to Clay, but it has bounced back
twice now!!  Sometimes ISPs just don't want to communicate!!  So apologies
for sending it to Arachne!!

 

Many thanks for your reply to my post on Arachne.  I too use insect pins and
have started putting in support pins on occasion.  I think your idea of
painting the head of the support pins red is BRILLIANT!!  I will have to get
out the red paint too!!

 

Sincerely,

 

Sue Fink

Masterton, New Zealand

 

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[lace] Binche

[Sue Fink]

Hi Clay,

 

I have tried to send this message directly to Clay, but it has bounced back
twice now!!  Sometimes ISPs just don't want to communicate!!  So apologies
for sending it to Arachne!!

 

Many thanks for your reply to my post on Arachne.  I too use insect pins and
have started putting in support pins on occasion.  I think your idea of
painting the head of the support pins red is BRILLIANT!!  I will have to get
out the red paint too!!

 

Sincerely,

 

Sue Fink

Masterton, New Zealand

 

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[lace] Binche

[Nicole Gauthier]

Clay, 

I absolutely agree with what you said about diagrams and Binche. I am presently 
working 'The Deer' and I wonder what I would do without a diagram. I also 
remember the hours and days Kumiko Nakasaki did take with the help of 
Anne-Marie Verbeke to prepare a diagram, souvenir from my Binche classes in the 
Kantcentrum in Brugge.

Happy lacemaking,
Nicole Gauthier
Kirkland,QC,Canada

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[lace] Binche kitties

[hottleco]

Hello Again!  Thank you Clay for setting me straight--Mea Culpa to all!  
Although I must say, what could be more charming than a kitty fan?  Prr.  
Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA  

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Re: [lace] Binche kitty?

[Clay Blackwell]

No, sorry!  I don't have that pattern.  But I don't think it's a fan...  
it's a circular mat.  The design is repeated twice, so it wasn't 
necessary to draw the whole thing.


Clay

On 8/13/2011 8:33 AM, hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote:

Hello All!  Thanks for the links sof--love all the pics!  Scrolling down, it looks 
like a Binche fan pattern with a kitty&  the gal who posted the picture is 
looking for the pattern.  I would be too, if I knew anything about Binche!!  
Perhaps Clay has this one in her stash of future projects!  LOL  Sincerely, Susan 
Hottle, Erie, PA USA





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[lace] Binche kitty?

[hottleco]

Hello All!  Thanks for the links sof--love all the pics!  Scrolling down, it 
looks like a Binche fan pattern with a kitty & the gal who posted the picture 
is looking for the pattern.  I would be too, if I knew anything about Binche!!  
Perhaps Clay has this one in her stash of future projects!  LOL  Sincerely, 
Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA

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[lace] Binche progress report

[Lorelei Halley]

Bev
I think it will be a while before I can work Binche without a voodoo board.
For now, it IS helping me keep my place.
Lorelei

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Re: [lace] Binche progress report

[Clay Blackwell]

Well, not only was it fun, but when the piece had been joined, I had 
this perfect little corner "scrap"!  I stuck it in my purse calendar, 
and now when someone says, "you make what?", I can show them.  And I 
don't even mind that they touch it!  I consider it a privileged 
ambassador to our art...  more people have seen this than anything else 
I've made, and it isn't even the "good stuff" (only because it's a 
scrap...)  but in terms of beautiful lace - WOW!


Clay

On 5/17/2011 5:27 PM, bev walker wrote:

But Clay, tell yourself as I would - it was fun to do the five corners!
I'm doing a five-cornered Binche hanky also! It is Cinderella Story
from the Bobijntne! 4 folder by Fumie Kanai. Of interest to Binche
workers, I've enlarged the pattern at 125% and using E.C. 70/2 instead
of the 100/2. I used to use arrows and special pins to mark my place
on the lace and the diagram but I can find my way now by comparing my
lace to the diagram.
(go me - it was a long learning curve there...)

I count pairs to keep track, and how easy it is to forget to count a
ring pair; how those ring pairs move around!

Good luck Lorelei ;)

On 5/17/11, Clay Blackwell  wrote:

Big Laugh!  Those Binche corners are killers!  When I work a
handkerchief, I expect to have to work five corners!!  So when I started
the last handkerchief I did, I started just before the corner!  And
wouldn't you know...  it was perfect!  The problem was, I hadn't given
myself enough lace at the beginning to do a decent join, so had to work
five corners anyway!!  Lesson learned...

Clay

On 5/17/2011 4:34 PM, Lorelei Halley wrote:

Last night I worked the 2nd corner.  Half way finished!!!


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Re: [lace] Binche progress report

[bev walker]

But Clay, tell yourself as I would - it was fun to do the five corners!
I'm doing a five-cornered Binche hanky also! It is Cinderella Story
from the Bobijntne! 4 folder by Fumie Kanai. Of interest to Binche
workers, I've enlarged the pattern at 125% and using E.C. 70/2 instead
of the 100/2. I used to use arrows and special pins to mark my place
on the lace and the diagram but I can find my way now by comparing my
lace to the diagram.
(go me - it was a long learning curve there...)

I count pairs to keep track, and how easy it is to forget to count a
ring pair; how those ring pairs move around!

Good luck Lorelei ;)

On 5/17/11, Clay Blackwell  wrote:
> Big Laugh!  Those Binche corners are killers!  When I work a
> handkerchief, I expect to have to work five corners!!  So when I started
> the last handkerchief I did, I started just before the corner!  And
> wouldn't you know...  it was perfect!  The problem was, I hadn't given
> myself enough lace at the beginning to do a decent join, so had to work
> five corners anyway!!  Lesson learned...
>
> Clay
>
> On 5/17/2011 4:34 PM, Lorelei Halley wrote:
>> Last night I worked the 2nd corner.  Half way finished!!!
-- 
Bev (approaching corner #2 of the Binche hanky) in Shirley BC, near
Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Binche progress report

[Clay Blackwell]

Big Laugh!  Those Binche corners are killers!  When I work a 
handkerchief, I expect to have to work five corners!!  So when I started 
the last handkerchief I did, I started just before the corner!  And 
wouldn't you know...  it was perfect!  The problem was, I hadn't given 
myself enough lace at the beginning to do a decent join, so had to work 
five corners anyway!!  Lesson learned...


Clay

On 5/17/2011 4:34 PM, Lorelei Halley wrote:

Last night I worked the 2nd corner.  Half way finished!!!  I think I got all
the threads going in the right direction for the 2nd corner.  (We won't talk
about the first corner.)
Lorelei

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[lace] Binche progress report

[Lorelei Halley]

Last night I worked the 2nd corner.  Half way finished!!!  I think I got all
the threads going in the right direction for the 2nd corner.  (We won't talk
about the first corner.)
Lorelei

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[lace] Binche Poster Raffle

[Kathy Hensel]

Hello to all lacemakers,
I am popping out of lurkdom with a little help from a friend.  Having enjoyed
reading the Arachne postings, participating in exchanges and even winning a
couple of raffles over the years - it is time to offer a raffle.
Up for raffle is a laminated poster of Binche lace. It has been on display in
my lace room for several years but is still in good condition. The poster has
been out of the sun so it has not faded.  It has a vibrant blue background
behind the lace and measures 18 inches by 27 inches.  Anyone interested in
being included in the raffle may send me an email privately at:
kathhen...@yahoo.com
I will have my hubby pick a lucky name on February 10th. This should give time
for digest members to see this posting.  I will send the poster rolled in a
tube anywhere in the world.
Good luck!
Kathy Hensel
-in Marcola, Oregon USA, where it is sunny and clear but a crisp 30 degrees
F.
 

More information about the poster is below:
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?articleID=nbra29122001_022
BRUGGE - De Binche-groep onder leiding van Anne-Marie Verbeke en directeur
Noël Dumon van het Brugs Kantcentrum stelde gisteren de nieuwe patronenmap
Hoop voor. Meteen is nu ook het laatste luik van de actie Klos tegen Kanker
gerealiseerd.
,, Klos Cancer''- 29/12/2001 
BRUGGE - De Binche-groep onder leiding van Anne-Marie Verbeke en directeur
Noël Dumon van het Brugs Kantcentrum stelde gisteren de nieuwe patronenmap
Hoop voor. BRUGGE - Binche The group led by Anne-Marie Verbeke and director of
the Noël Dumon Bruges Lace Center claimed yesterday the new Hope for
patronenmap. Meteen is nu ook het laatste luik van de actie Klos tegen Kanker
gerealiseerd. Right now the last part of the action against Klos Cancer
realized.

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[lace] Binche

[Sue Fink]

To the lady who wishes to start Binche!  I would say persevere.  I too had
done the usual, Torchon, Bucks, Honiton, all of which I enjoyed and still
do, but then my friend and I did a Valencienne class and then moved on to
Binche.  I LOVE Binche.  Yes it is  more difficult than the other laces and
does take a lot more concentration.  I find it necessary to have a working
diagram along side me and to put a pin in the work and then in the diagram -
yes, progress is slower than I would like, but I get the piece done and I do
find it really interesting to work.  To me it is the Sudoku (which I can't
stand) of lace and keeps my brain working!!  Keep with it you will
eventually enjoy it and the results are just beautiful and you get a real
sense of accomplishment.
 
All the best,
 
Sue Fink
Masterton, New Zealand
 
PS we didn't have a book to start with, but did find the Syllabus from
Kantcentrum very helpful

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RE: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Carolyn Hastings]

Sure do wish it were that easy!  I give this explanation to people at demos
so they won't be overwhelmed by the numbers, but I think we all know deep
down there is **lots** more to it.  If that were not true, poor teachers
would be out of business.

Carolyn


Carolyn Hastings
Stow, MA USA



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> To: Kate Henry
> Cc: Adele Shaak; Shirlee Hill; lace@arachne.com
> Subject: Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?
> 
> LOL  I love this!!!
> 
> Sue in EY
> On 21 Jun 2008, at 18:23, Kate Henry wrote:
> >  Once you get hold of cross and twist, there are NO other options.
> > There are only two ways to lay a thread over the one next to it,
> > right over left OR left over right. Look closely and you will see
> > which it is. Make it happen. Poof! you have lace. ALL of them.
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Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Sue Duckles]

LOL  I love this!!!

Sue in EY
On 21 Jun 2008, at 18:23, Kate Henry wrote:
 Once you get hold of cross and twist, there are NO other options.  
There are only two ways to lay a thread over the one next to it,  
right over left OR left over right. Look closely and you will see  
which it is. Make it happen. Poof! you have lace. ALL of them.


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Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Kate Henry]

Thanks for saying again that it is totally ok to start with whatever lace 
pleases your eye. The lacemakers in Valenciennes START with Valenciennes. 
etc etc etc.  Just do what you love and you will be happy.  Most of us start 
with Torchon because it contains everything that is in all of the other 
laces, and the threads are fat enough to see without a magnifying glass. 
From there, they specialize, and add sweet trademark combinations. Once you 
get hold of cross and twist, there are NO other options. There are only two 
ways to lay a thread over the one next to it, right over left OR left over 
right. Look closely and you will see which it is. Make it happen. Poof! you 
have lace. ALL of them.

:)Kate Henry
Indiana USA

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To: "Shirlee Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?


 Is there a beginner's book for Binche & is this lace relatively easy to 
learn?


Binche, along with Flanders and other members of the same family, uses
working methods that don't usually arise in the other laces you
mention. Pairs can be workers one minute, passives the next. The method
of working is irregular, and sometimes your pairs may even travel back
up the lace. You often tension by pulling one pair against others that
you have held down, but there may not be pins for you to tension
against. Someone from this list once described the thread diagram as
"psychotic railroad tracks" - a description I've always enjoyed.

Interestingly, there aren't any difficult new techniques - these laces
are made with the skills you already have, but -
when you enter this world you may find some 'rules' you've learned
about making lace don't apply any more, and that can be a very
difficult and frustrating experience.

The first time I tried a lace in this family (after nearly 20 years of
lacemaking experience) I was on my own with a book, and after several
hours of concentrated effort I broke down in tears. Eventually I found
a teacher. My first beginner piece was a half inch wide and required
only 25 pairs. The first repeat of that lace (about an inch and a half)
took me 8 hours (!) (the second 5 hours, and third 2 hours).

Now I've made these types of laces for a few years, and I still
couldn't make one without following a diagram.

So, that's why people will tell you Binche is difficult. For most
people it really is. But I find it totally absorbing and rewarding to
make.

Beginner books are few. There is a "Syllabus Binche" series from the
Kantcentrum in Belgium. They start you off by working various grounds
of snowflakes. Way back in 1989 Michael Giusiana & Linda Dunn put out a
book "Binche lace" that, after a brief review of other laces in the
family (Flanders, Point de Paris, Valenciennes), again leads you into
Binche via snowflakes. Personally I found making snowflake ground quite
tedious, and not exceptionally good at preparing you for Binche, and I
stopped after the first two samples. (by the way, it was "Binche with
Valenciennes Ground" from that book that took me 8 hours for the first
repeat)

Many people recommend starting out with Flanders, so you get used to
the ring pairs and the method of working cloth stitch fillings while
working what many consider to be an easier lace. There are more
beginner Flanders books (I think Mary Niven's book is still available)
than beginner Binche books.

Other people say doing Flanders to prepare you for Binche is a little
like learning to ski to prepare you for snowboarding. Why not just
learn to snowboard in the first place.

Reading this over, I can't help thinking it isn't very helpful. The
truth is, these are hard laces to make, and due to their structure
there aren't that many beginner patterns.

Hope this helps somehow.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Adele Shaak]

 Is there a beginner's book for Binche & is this lace relatively easy 
to learn?


Binche, along with Flanders and other members of the same family, uses 
working methods that don't usually arise in the other laces you 
mention. Pairs can be workers one minute, passives the next. The method 
of working is irregular, and sometimes your pairs may even travel back 
up the lace. You often tension by pulling one pair against others that 
you have held down, but there may not be pins for you to tension 
against. Someone from this list once described the thread diagram as 
"psychotic railroad tracks" - a description I've always enjoyed.


Interestingly, there aren't any difficult new techniques - these laces 
are made with the skills you already have, but -
when you enter this world you may find some 'rules' you've learned 
about making lace don't apply any more, and that can be a very 
difficult and frustrating experience.


The first time I tried a lace in this family (after nearly 20 years of 
lacemaking experience) I was on my own with a book, and after several 
hours of concentrated effort I broke down in tears. Eventually I found 
a teacher. My first beginner piece was a half inch wide and required 
only 25 pairs. The first repeat of that lace (about an inch and a half) 
took me 8 hours (!) (the second 5 hours, and third 2 hours).


Now I've made these types of laces for a few years, and I still 
couldn't make one without following a diagram.


So, that's why people will tell you Binche is difficult. For most 
people it really is. But I find it totally absorbing and rewarding to 
make.


Beginner books are few. There is a "Syllabus Binche" series from the 
Kantcentrum in Belgium. They start you off by working various grounds 
of snowflakes. Way back in 1989 Michael Giusiana & Linda Dunn put out a 
book "Binche lace" that, after a brief review of other laces in the 
family (Flanders, Point de Paris, Valenciennes), again leads you into 
Binche via snowflakes. Personally I found making snowflake ground quite 
tedious, and not exceptionally good at preparing you for Binche, and I 
stopped after the first two samples. (by the way, it was "Binche with 
Valenciennes Ground" from that book that took me 8 hours for the first 
repeat)


Many people recommend starting out with Flanders, so you get used to 
the ring pairs and the method of working cloth stitch fillings while 
working what many consider to be an easier lace. There are more 
beginner Flanders books (I think Mary Niven's book is still available) 
than beginner Binche books.


Other people say doing Flanders to prepare you for Binche is a little 
like learning to ski to prepare you for snowboarding. Why not just 
learn to snowboard in the first place.


Reading this over, I can't help thinking it isn't very helpful. The 
truth is, these are hard laces to make, and due to their structure 
there aren't that many beginner patterns.


Hope this helps somehow.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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[lace] Binche - How Difficult Is It?

[Shirlee Hill]

I must admit that I am drawn to many lace techniques, mostly those with which 
you can produce motifs such as flowers or animals, etc.  There is a book by 
Kumiko Nakazaki, "Collection 1," which has some beautiful motifs done in 
Binche.  I am going to assume that this is not a book for someone just starting 
to learn the technique.  Is there a beginner's book for Binche & is this lace 
relatively easy to learn?  I've done Bucks & Torchon & various tape laces.
   
  Blessings,
  Shirlee   

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Re: [lace] Binche on eBay

[clayblackwell]

Oh sure, David!!  Except in three months, I'd barely get one side done!!  Even 
working every day at the pillow when I was under a deadline, it took six months 
to do a much smaller, much less complex piece!!  I know I don't set a land 
speed record with my lacemaking...  but I doubt anyone could do a credible job 
of that piece in three months.

Not that you've devoted all of your time to this piece (I know you have had 
other projects...), but how is that lovely Tonder piece going?

Clay

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Lynchburg, VA USA 


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> At 11:18 AM 16/04/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> 
> >I have followed, with great interest, an auction on eBay for a 
> >beautiful piece of Binche lace which appeared to be a relatively 
> >recent piece. The auction ended today, with the handkerchief 
> >selling for nearly $500. As someone who has made several Binche 
> >handkerchief edgings (although none as stunning as this one...) I 
> >must say that while the price paid was high, the wages earned by the 
> >lacemaker were still appallingly low. Still, I am encouraged by the 
> >fact that the lace we make is becoming more valued! While I suspect 
> >that a lacemaker has bought this piece (I was tempted !), it is 
> >clear that our own valuation of our work helps drive up the market!! 
> > 
> >eBay ID number... 370041543780 
> 
> Most interesting Clay. Now why don't we flood the market with that 
> design ? :) Got a spare 3 months? 
> David in Ballarat 
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Re: [lace] Binche on eBay

[David in Ballarat]

At 11:18 AM 16/04/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have followed, with great interest, an auction on eBay for a 
beautiful piece of Binche lace which appeared to be a relatively 
recent piece.  The auction ended today, with the handkerchief 
selling for nearly $500.   As someone who has made several Binche 
handkerchief edgings (although none as stunning as this one...) I 
must say that while the price paid was high, the wages earned by the 
lacemaker were still appallingly low.  Still, I am encouraged by the 
fact that the lace we make is becoming more valued!  While I suspect 
that a lacemaker has bought this piece (I was tempted !), it is 
clear that our own valuation of our work helps drive up the market!!


eBay ID number... 370041543780


Most interesting Clay. Now why don't we flood the market with that 
design ?  :) Got a spare 3 months?

David in Ballarat

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RE: [lace] Binche on eBay

[Sally Schoenberg]

It looked familiar to me too, so I got out my copy of Anne Marie Verbeke's
Binche Syllabus III.  The Ebay edging has the hart from 't Herte, pattern 7,
and the center dogs and corners of De Beeste of pattern 6.  I've never seen
the Ebay edging before.  The lacemaking was well done.

Sally Schoenberg
Farmington New Mexico

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[lace] Binche on eBay

[clayblackwell]

I have followed, with great interest, an auction on eBay for a beautiful piece 
of Binche lace which appeared to be a relatively recent piece.  The auction 
ended today, with the handkerchief selling for nearly $500.   As someone who 
has made several Binche handkerchief edgings (although none as stunning as this 
one...) I must say that while the price paid was high, the wages earned by the 
lacemaker were still appallingly low.  Still, I am encouraged by the fact that 
the lace we make is becoming more valued!  While I suspect that a lacemaker has 
bought this piece (I was tempted !), it is clear that our own valuation of our 
work helps drive up the market!!

eBay ID number... 370041543780

Clay

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Lynchburg, VA USA 

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[lace] Binche 'The Tournament'

[miladamarshall]

Catherine, thank you for your kind words, and here, as requested, some more 
information.
The foremost teacher of Binche, Anne-Marie Verbeke Billiet, has 
re-constructed many old pieces of Binche which were held in the lace museums 
in Brugge. The Tournament is the most challenging piece in her 'Syllabus 
III' and an original is in the collection of the Kantcentrum.
'The design represents a medieval tournament taking place in Brugge... with 
the famous Belfry and the church towers.  There are knights on rearing 
horses, coats of arms, and a crown along the outer border'
She points out that the pairs are taken out, and added, within the 
continuous meandering trail, which aids the change of direction of the work. 
Because there are so many features...linen, half stitch, tallies, large and 
small snowflakes...  this is a 'Point-de-Fee' lace.
Provided you have a sufficiently large pillow ( mostly to keep the bobbins 
stacked out of the way) this was a joy to work - I did miss it once 
finished.

Hope you find this interesting,
Milada
in a chilly Somerset
actually, its my birthday - so we had a punctured tyre on the way back from 
a lunch out - but my parcel of books from Barbara Fay was here - hooray! 


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Re: [lace] Binche sampler 'kompakt'

[bevw]

Just looking at the picture of the front cover, because it is a 'sampler'
its use is more in the making of it as a learning tool, rather than making a
piece of lace to use, such as a mat on a table. Then as Robin pointed out,
it is a 'spiral square' rather a unique artwork there. We could use hidden
threads or even glue to fix it in place on a board :)

On 6/30/07, Jo Falkink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This compact Binche sampler is surely one for my wisch list. But don't the
> few connections make them vulnerable?
>
> >
> http://www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=99&Itemid=103&limit=1&limitstart=2
> > and tinied: *http://tinyurl.com/34f52d*
>
>
-- 
Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Binche sampler 'kompakt'

[Jo Falkink]

This compact Binche sampler is surely one for my wisch list. But don't the 
few connections make them vulnerable?



http://www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=99&Itemid=103&limit=1&limitstart=2
and tinied: *http://tinyurl.com/34f52d*


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Re: [lace] Binche sampler 'kompakt'

[robinlace]

Oh, that's cool!  It's a square spiral of Binche designs.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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> I was curious and located the sampler that Ursula mentioned, at 
> the 'Mappen' link.
> It is here: http://www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de/index.php?
option=content&task=view&id=99&Itemid=103&limit=1&limitstart=2

> and tinied:
> 
> *http://tinyurl.com/34f52d*

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[lace] Binche sampler 'kompakt'

[bevw]

I was curious and located the sampler that Ursula mentioned, at the 'Mappen'
link.
It is here:
http://www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=99&Itemid=103&limit=1&limitstart=2

and tinied:

*http://tinyurl.com/34f52d*

-- 
Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

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[lace] Binche

[Sue Babbs]

Mercifully it is only for my own satisfaction that I am doing this course, 
so I don't have to re-do it or anything. However I had mastered the 
techniques involved in this lesson, so I think I will just move on, and add 
it as a sample piece to my file, rather than spending time adding back in 
the dozen or so snapped threads, so that I can complete it.


I was beginning to get bored of it anyway, but was going to carry on because 
I liked the design. It seems that the decision has been taken for me!


So, it gets me on to wind even finer thread and prick a pattern for the next 
piece I want to work earlier than I had expected

Sue

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[lace] Binche help needed

[Ian & Chelle Long]

Gidday all,

If anyone has worked the corner in the Reflected Swans edging of Binche
Syllabus 1, Lesson 5 could they please contact me.  I need clarification of
the adding pairs instructions.

TIA

Michelle
an Aussie living in Suriname

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Re: [lace] Binche book

[anneke reijs]

Bridget wrote:
>>>"it is self-published, but there is no address in the book"

 Hello Bridget and all,

When there is a ISBN number on the book, your bookstore can tell you the
address where you can contact the author or the publisher!

Anneke Reijs, in Baexem, The Netherlands

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[lace] Binche book

[Bridget Marrow]

Dear spiders
does anyone know how I can buy a copy of Vera Cockuyt's book 'Suggestions 
how to Improve Binche'?  I have a copy on loan from the Lace Guild at the 
moment, I'm finding it most useful and shall miss it when it has to go back, 
so I'd like my own copy.

Do any of the UK suppiers carry it?  Or should I buy it direct from the 
author?  It is self-published, but there is no address in the book, so I 
don't know how to contact her.

Bridget, in Watford, England.
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Re: [lace] Binche lace study

[Clay Blackwell]

Hi Amanda!

I'm sending Giusiana's Study Guide to you in a private
email, for your "future reference"!

> This would be the "Step by Step Guide"?  [re: Niven]

Yes.  I have the original book, which is "Flanders Lace: A
Step by Step Guide".

> Just out of curiosity, is the need for a teacher because
the
> syllabus lacks all the details (doesn't have complete
diagrams,
> etc) or because of intangibles like a need for correct
tension?
> I've never had a teacher so I don't know if I'm missing
out on
> the latter category by doing things my own way.

Actually, the "need" for a teacher is that in the Syllabus
Binche series (by Verbeke-Billiet) it is assumed that you
have some fundamental knowledge of Continental "SOPs"
(standard operating procedures...), as well as some of the
very helpful tricks of the trade which are (in my limited
experience) found only in certain situations in Continental
laces.  Vera Cockuyt has a self-published booklet called
"Suggestions How to Improve Binche" which spells some of
these tricks out nicely, but it takes some intuitive
reasoning as well as trial and error to know when to apply
them if you don't have a teacher handy.   If you are a
lacemaker who is comfortable with trial and error whenever
you tackle a new challenge, then you won't be so frustrated
without a teacher.  But if you are easily frustrated and
want to know how to do it right the first time (even if it
isn't pretty!), then you will be happier with a teacher.
That isn't to say you can't do it - but you may be more
frustrated.  And in answer to another part of your
question - Verbeke-Billiet's diagrams are beautiful and
complete.  But knowing the SOPs and special tricks is
assumed.

> > Giusiana's samples are drawn from a comprehensive list
of
> > books which include Verbeke-Billiet's, his own four
books
> > (including one which is out of print), and several
others by
> > Ulrike Lohr, Ermute Wesenburg, and others.
>
> This sounds more complete but also more expensive in the
end :)

Well, in all honesty - yes.  But more expensive than what?
Buying how many books on Torchon lace and then Bucks lace
and then... and then...?  Let's face it... when we take on a
new lace, we spend way more money than we ever "planned" to
in order to "gettum while they're hot"!  I have bought every
book I could lay my hands on in the last five or six  years,
and lots of them are no longer available.  And in all
honesty, I haven't parted with but two or three of them.
But you don't have to buy all the books at the same time.
You can get started quite nicely with Niven's book and
Giusiana's "Binche II: The Old Becomes New".  (Ironically,
Binche II takes you through your paces more thoroughly than
his earlier   "Binche Handkerchiefs". )  If you find, after
working through Niven's book, that you're doing well, then
invest in "Binche II" and continue your studies.   That's
part of the value of this study guide...  you don't have to
own the whole library in order to get some benefit from your
studies, and you can add to your library as your grow.

I hope you decide to take the plunge, and I hope you enjoy
Continental laces (especially Binche) as much as I do !

Clay





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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] One Designer's Input on Her Copyrights


> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 06:21:51PM -0400, Clay Blackwell
wrote:
>
> > Hi Amanda !
>
> Hi!  Thanks for your reply!
>
> > Mary Niven's book (republished last year) is an
excellent
> > resource for that [Flanders].
>
> This would be the "Step by Step Guide"?
>
> > Moving into Binche, one readily
> > available (from lace vendors) option is the series of
> > "Syllabus Binche" from Anne-Marie Verbeke-Billiet (there
are
> > three in the series).  However, this is best used if you
> > have a teacher at hand who can help you with each step
of
> > the way.
>
> Just out of curiosity, is the need for a teacher because
the
> syllabus lacks all the details (doesn't have complete
diagrams,
> etc) or because of intangibles like a need for correct
tension?
> I've never had a teacher so I don't know if I'm missing
out on
> the latter category by doing things my own way.  So far
I've
> stuck to books with good diagrams, except for the Russian
Lace
> which I'm just having fun with.
>
> > Another option is the Binche Study Guide prepared by
Michael
> > Giusiana, which gives the student a specific list of
samples
> > which should be worked as one progresses through the
levels.
>
> Tell me more :)  Is this in print or electrons?
>
> > Giusiana's samples are drawn from a comprehensive list
of
> > books which include Verbeke-Billiet's, his own four
books
> > (including one which is out of print), and several
others by
> > Ulrike Lohr, Ermute Wesenburg, and others.
>
> This sounds more complete but also more expensive in the
end :)
>
> > Michael's Study Guide is something he is happy for us to
> > s

[lace] Binche Pattern Pack

[Jean Nathan]

Magda wrote:



I think you'll find that, so far, that's the only outlet for the packs other
than directly through Beryl. She said a shop in Brugge had taken 150 copies,
but the name of the shop didn't stay in my brain more than 2 seconds. She'll
be contacting other possible outlets in other countries when she gets back
from Prague.

Jean in Poole

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[lace] Binche Pattern Pack by Margaret Maw

[Bobbinlacemaker]

 Margaret,

I bought my copy here in Belgium in the shop "apostolientje"- Balstraat -
Brugge and paid 24.5 euro. I can recommend the pattern pack, it is really
lovely.They still had packs available.
Just a satisfied customer,
Magda from cloudy Belgium

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:50:01 +0100
From: "peter greenway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [lace] Binche Pattern Pack by Margaret Maw

I am looking for a copy of Margaret Maw's "Binche Pattern Pack".  Can anyone
tell me where I can get a copy and how much it will cost.
Many thanks
Margaret Greenway

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Re: [lace] Binche Pattern Pack by Beryl Maw

[Sue Babbs]

Beryl has gone to the OIDFA congress and so can't be contacted at present
Sue
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Subject: RE: [lace] Binche Pattern Pack by Margaret Maw


> Hello Margaret -
>
> I believe that you're referring to Mrs. Beryl Maw who recently published a
> pattern pack for the design, "A Snowy Spring Day in My Garden".  It is a
> beautiful design, and well worth finding.
>

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RE: [lace] Binche Pattern Pack by Margaret Maw

[Clay Blackwell]

Hello Margaret -

I believe that you're referring to Mrs. Beryl Maw who recently published a
pattern pack for the design, "A Snowy Spring Day in My Garden".  It is a
beautiful design, and well worth finding.

I was able to get a copy through the assistance of a friend in UK who was
willing to accept my payment through PayPal and go to the trouble of
mailing it to me.  It is my understanding that Mrs. Maw is selling the pack
directly, but does not have a computer, so cannot take PayPal.  I would
expect that given the demand for this pack, vendors will be stocking it. 
My recommendation is that you contact your favorite vendor and see if they
can get it for you.

Not long ago, the person who sent my copy to me wrote this to the list...

"Suggestions on how to get it:

Ask someone you know who has a Paypal account to do what I'm doing for
friends. I'm actually collecting them personally from Beryl on Friday and
sending them on - normally she'll be doing the posting.

Get a group together and send a sterling cheque to cover all the copies and
postages and have them send to individual addresses - it'll be cheaper to
buy one cheque (at least it is here in places where there's a flat charge).

If anyone wants to take on distribution in other countries, I'm sure Beryl
would be happy to hear from you, but I stress - it's purely for charity and
not for profit."

Clay

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> From: peter greenway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 7/16/2004 4:50:33 AM
> Subject: [lace] Binche Pattern Pack by Margaret Maw
>
> I am looking for a copy of Margaret Maw's "Binche Pattern Pack".  Can
anyone
> tell me where I can get a copy and how much it will cost.
> Many thanks
> Margaret Greenway
>
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[lace] Binche Pattern Pack by Margaret Maw

[peter greenway]

I am looking for a copy of Margaret Maw's "Binche Pattern Pack".  Can anyone
tell me where I can get a copy and how much it will cost.
Many thanks
Margaret Greenway

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Re: [lace] Binche

[Dmt11home]

In a message dated 2/15/2004 2:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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Antwerp was the
source of Pottenkant, a straight lace with long symmetrical repeats which
featured a pot of flowers as the design.  Aside from the design style the
grounds of Pottenkant were much the same (with a few differences) as for
Valenciennes/Binche or Mechlin: Paris, Flanders, round Valenciennes,
sometimes torchon.
Bertha Van Doren wrote several articles about Binche for the Lace Magazine of 
the Belgian Lace School which are very interesting. Sometimes one tends to 
discount some of Van Doren's assertions about Antwerp because she is the world's 
greatest cheer leader for Antwerp. For another source about Antwerp laces 
though, there is the Caroluskantjes by Nora Andries. The majority of the laces 
there are not Pottenkant and they do bear some similarities to Binche as well as 
to the cauliflower laces. They date from the 17th century.
Devon

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[lace] Binche

[Lorelei Halley]

Devon
1. Santina Levey points out that the towns of Valenciennes and Binche are
very close together, almost contiguous.  Her opinion is, therefore, that the
towns were making the same kinds of laces at the same time.  Antwerp was the
source of Pottenkant, a straight lace with long symmetrical repeats which
featured a pot of flowers as the design.  Aside from the design style the
grounds of Pottenkant were much the same (with a few differences) as for
Valenciennes/Binche or Mechlin: Paris, Flanders, round Valenciennes,
sometimes torchon.
2. "Flemish straight lace with no gimp" is a good definition.  Leave out the
"with snowball grounds" part, because what grounds were used varied over
time.  During the early 18th century many of those laces used : Flanders
ground (5 hole), Paris, round Valenciennes, various snowballs, armure
(snowball in half stitch).  Towards the end of the 18th century and
throughout nearly all the 19th century, all the grounds fell into disuse,
except Valenciennes.  Late 17th century precursors of this lace used random
braids to hold the lace together.  Mary Niven, in her historical
introduction to Flanders, says that Binche developed from the random braid
grounded laces and Flanders from the ones with grounds.  This opinion is at
variance with Santina Levey.  I don't know enough to make an absolute
determination about which is correct.  I am inclined to follow Levey's
opinion.
3. Therefore, what we think of as "Valenciennes" is actually a chronological
stage in the development of "Binche/Valenciennes".
4. Towards the end of the 19th century, during the "revival era", attempts
were made to recapture the style and methods of early 18th century "Binche",
and this lace was called "Point de Fee".  So "Point de Fee" is the term for
revival Binche.

Santina Levey was the one who identified the laces at the Art Institute of
Chicago, which occurred shortly before I started my personal study there.
My historical description is based on her book, and on my viewing and
intense study of the laces with her definitions.  I've actually seen many
examples of what I'm describing here.

In regard to Mary Niven's view, she may be right that Binche/Val developed
out of the braid grounded straight laces of the late 17th century.  But I
don't think that making a big distinction between those and the ones with
gimp is apropos.  As a laceMAKER   I am too much aware that the differences
in structure between Flanders with gimp and Binche without are very small.
The difference is that Binche/Val must take two cloth pairs and use them to
perform the function that gimp does in Flanders: to make an angular motif
look rounded.  This changes how the top start of a motif must work, but this
seems small, to me.

Lorelei

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[lace] Binche - Was Thinking person's lace

[Clive and Betty Ann Rice]

Oh, Liz, that is a classic!  Love it!

Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia, USA
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> So I would go through the 'price ritual'.
>
> I'd scratch my head, look pensive and say 'well, about er ... yes, that much thread 
> - yes, call the thread £30'.
>
> They'd be getting their wallets out at this point to rip my arm out of it's socket.
>
> Then I'd say, without any emotion, 'of course it would take approximately 500 plus 
> hours so at £15 an hour that would make it just over £7,500 for labour - heck, I'll 
> throw the thread in for free'.
>
> This is where the 'client' would be doing a goldfish impersonation - you know, the 
> mouth opening and closing but nothing happening.
>
> The 'client' would then splutter 'but I can by one from (insert name of any general 
> store you like) for only 15 quid (indignation, indignation.'
>
> 'Hey', I would reply, 'if that's all you want then fine'.  At this point, other half 
> would walk past in his handmade, blackwork embroidered shirt and ask how I was doing 
> with his lace for his cuffs - I'd always say, 'no problem love, you'll get it 
> shortly' and he'd say 'brilliant - it'll look so good and authentic'.
>
> Yes, I'm horrid.  Yes, I enjoyed it.  Yes, they are ALL cheapskates.
>
> I earnt £15 an hour doing my day job and my lacemaking was far better than my work I 
> did there.  So wasn't I worth the same amount if not more?
>
> When you then tell them that lace was one sold by placing soverigns along the length 
> you wanted to buy they go off in a huff.
>

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[lace] Binche- thinking laces

[Milada Marshall]

 For the last 10 years I have gone annually to Brugge to have lessons in
Binche, and have become fairly familiar with many grounds, techniques and
methods, including doing some patterns with those long, long lines of one
pair going all the way across the work, through nearly all the pairs, and
then back. I felt reasonably confident with most patterns, and found the
satisfaction came from creating something beautiful out of just fine thread
placed with the help of (a few!) pins, on card with holes marked, and yes,
following a diagram. The soothing action was from manipulating the bobbins,
and having to concentrate so hard on the tension, what to do next. that I
could forget all else, and 'my world' became that lace.

Then this year I went to Brugge for a week on basic Flanders, starting from
scratch, and have really started to learn the structure, the reasoning
behind the methods - we had to work just on graph paper, no lines, no given
design, just starting with experimenting with Flanders ground, how many
combinations could we do? Which were pleasing? (to us) - then joining with
the edge, then introducing areas of cloth, with a gimp, and so on, building
up a design of our own creation. We learnt to consider each pin - an input?
an output? a join? a connection? How many pairs in each area? - each aspect
has rules, in order to get the smoothest, fullest effect. This consideration
of structure was fascinating, and has made me much more appreciative of the
complexity of designing, although I had started work on this, in Binche,
with Ann Marie.

We ended the week with a brief historical outline of the Flemish laces, with
many actual samples to admire, from the earliest to the finest era.

Earlier in this thread it has been said that the Thomas Lester laces, as
well as Binche, are the 'Queen' of laces, with maybe Lester being the better
designs. But do compare the timescale - the finest Binche was achieved much
earlier than Lester, and the techniques much more developed, on an
exceedingly fine scale.

Should we not be proud of both? - they are very different, and appeal to
people with varying tastes - I admire both, and only wish there were more
hours, so I could master more types and techniques. My personal target is to
continue with the finest lace whilst having good sight, and those using
thicker threads have to wait until I can no longer do fine work.

Its good to see such a discussion getting going, and realise how many of us
lacemakers there are out there, working alone.

Milada Marshall

bored in Somerset (England are playing football)

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[lace] Binche precursors

[Steph Peters]

On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:54:25 -0700, Adele wrote:
>On Sunday, August 3, 2003  Bridget wrote:
>
>> However I must persevere, as I have booked for a Binche course in 
>> February, and everybody says you need to grasp Flanders first.
>
>Since "everybody" says this I guess I'm sticking my neck out here, but 
>here I go with my own personal opinion:
>
>I think knowing about Flanders helps you with Binche in only a couple 
>of ways: one is being familiar with the way the worker is dropped and 
>becomes a passive, while another pair picks up and starts working. The 
>other is the use of a ring pair.


I learnt the traditional way, Flanders, Paris then Binche.  But I agree with
Adele, the ring pair and passive/worker swap are the things that Flanders
and Binche have in common.

However, I'd urge would be Binche learners to do a practice snippet of Paris
with some thread oddments - no need to do a whole piece.  Binche fills up
some of its background areas with Paris ground, worked in all sorts of odd
combinations of part rows.  Familiarity with Paris ground is helpful (not
essential, but useful) when learning Binche.  The Paris ground areas are
then a welcome rest from the struggles with the remainder of the Binche, and
can be worked without tracing every stitch on the working diagram.  Although
Paris ground is 'only' Kat stitch from Bucks point, it does have its
difficulties and I kept losing a ground pair into the motifs until I'd
practised it for a while.

So Bridget, cut off the Flanders with a clear conscience and use the bobbins
for a bit of Paris instead.
--
The test of a vocation is the love of the drudgery it involves. 
Logan Pearsall Smith
Steph Peters, Manchester, England
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Re: [lace] Binche : qualified !

[Dmt11home]

In a message dated 07/07/2003 1:30:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Belgium is a very little country but it's divided in three regions : one is
> french speaking (Wallonia), one is dutch speaking (Flanders) and a little
> one is german speaking.  Binche is in Wallonia, not all the belgian laces
> come from Flanders 

Thank you so much for your response. It is these very distinctions that are 
so hard for me to understand, but that I think travel would clarify. I have an 
inordinate amount of trouble trying to get a clear picture of Philip the Bold, 
etc. I have been looking for history books on the region, epecially in the 
1560-1760 time frame and I think I have not found any because I am looking under 
Flanders. Perhaps I should be looking under The Netherlands?
My book on Renaissance tapestry ends with the invasion of the Duke of Alba of 
Spain around 1560. It seems that many of the tapestry makers were Protestant 
and fled to Protestant countries, such as Germany, Switzerland and England 
where they set up tapestry industries. And yet the region then goes on to produce 
these wonderful laces. How did this transition occur? What is the role of the 
Protestant Reformation in the history of lace? I feel so handicapped by my 
poor grasp of history and geography that I can't even find the book that would 
contain the answers.
Devon
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Re: [lace] Binche : qualified !

[Liduina]

Thank you very much to all who sent me their congratulations.

Devon whrote :
> Would it be worthwhile to visit Binche to try to understand the history of
Flanders and the reasons why it became
> a center of manufacture for fine textiles?

Belgium is a very little country but it's divided in three regions : one is
french speaking (Wallonia), one is dutch speaking (Flanders) and a little
one is german speaking.  Binche is in Wallonia, not all the belgian laces
come from Flanders :o)))

.> If one were to make a trip to Binche, apart from the school, what would a
> person who is interested in lace and tapestry be able to see?  What towns
would be the best to
> see? Mechelen? Valenciennes? Tournai? Ghent? Enghien? Liege?

In Binche there is only the school and a shop, no lace museum yet, only a
museum of masks ( http://www.museedumasque.be/ ; http://www.binche.be both
in french )

In Tournai there is a beautiful museum of tapestry :
http://www.tournai.be/ville-tournai.asp?ref=FR154

Otherwise, in Flanders, my favourite museum is the flax museum in Kortijk :
http://www.kortrijk.be/indexdyn.php ,
http://www.schoolreis.be/schoolreis/vlasmuseum.html (apparently only in
dutch)

Did you take a look to the site of Lori :
http://lace.lacefairy.com/LaceMuseums.htm ?

Liduina from Belgium where the sun is back
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Re: [lace] Binche : qualified !

[Dmt11home]

Congratulations! 
If one were to make a trip to Binche, apart from the school, what would a 
person who is interested in lace and tapestry be able to see?  Are there any 
museums of interest to the textile enthusiast? Would it be worthwhile to visit 
Binche to try to understand the history of Flanders and the reasons why it became 
a center of manufacture for fine textiles? What towns would be the best to 
see? Mechelen? Valenciennes? Tournai? Ghent? Enghien? Liege?
Devon
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Re: [lace] Binche : qualified !

[Linda Walton]

Dear Liduina, and Lacemakers,

Liduina wrote:-
> This year was my last year in the laceschool in Binche.  We were 8
students
> to end our training and to present the exam, we all succeeded.  We are
very
> proud :o...

my congratulations to you and your colleagues.

> They have a new site in Binche : http://www.dentelledebinche.be , (snip)

Thank you for posting this website.  It is very interesting, especially the
two videos of the lace being made:  I have added it to my "favourites" list,
so that I can pass it on to friends who've never seen lace being made.

The thread looks so fine - what do you use ?

Best wishes from
Linda Walton,
in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.,
(where - thankfully - we've had some rain to help the garden along).
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Re: [lace] Binche : qualified !

[Sof]

Bravo

Sof

On 2 Jul 2003, at 11:50, Liduina wrote:

> Hello,
> This year was my last year in the laceschool in Binche.  We were 8
> students to end our training and to present the exam, we all
> succeeded.  We are very proud :o... One of us is the first man who
> is qualified in Binche. They have a niew site in Binche :
> http://www.dentelledebinche.be , it's only in french but you'll see
> our professors : Ms Rems and Blanchart and some of the laces that are
> made in Binche.
> 
> Liduina, from a stormy Belgium.
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[lace] Binche : qualified !

[Pickford Diana]

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From: Pickford Diana 
Sent: 02 July 2003 14:10
To: 'Liduina'
Subject: RE: [lace] Binche : qualified !


Liduina
Congrautlations.

I love the circular mat. 
I have just borrowed some beginners books to satrt my first piece of Binche
(I was inspired by someone elses recent posting of
Olive Branches, by Cathleen Belleville)
I will have to add that mat to the "one day" list.

Diana 
Berkshire, UK 
Where it is wet - rain has stopped play at Wimbledon

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> Sent: 02 July 2003 10:50
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [lace] Binche : qualified !
> 
> 
> Hello,
> This year was my last year in the laceschool in Binche.  We 
> were 8 students
> to end our training and to present the exam, we all 
> succeeded.  We are very
> proud :o... One of us is the first man who is qualified in Binche.
> They have a niew site in Binche : 
> http://www.dentelledebinche.be , it's only
> in french but you'll see our professors : Ms Rems and 
> Blanchart and some of
> the laces that are made in Binche.
> 
> Liduina, from a stormy Belgium.
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[lace] Binche : qualified !

[Liduina]

Hello,
This year was my last year in the laceschool in Binche.  We were 8 students
to end our training and to present the exam, we all succeeded.  We are very
proud :o... One of us is the first man who is qualified in Binche.
They have a niew site in Binche : http://www.dentelledebinche.be , it's only
in french but you'll see our professors : Ms Rems and Blanchart and some of
the laces that are made in Binche.

Liduina, from a stormy Belgium.
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