[lace] threads

[Lorelei Halley]

What can you all tell me about these threads: Klasklogaren, Fil au
Chinois   I have a question from a member of laceioli.

 

Thanks

Lorelei

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads

[Kathleen Harris]

Alix, I have never heard that before so thank you for the information. Lead 
would certainly damage the silk, and probably intensify the black colour too! 

Kathleen



Sent from my iPad

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads

[Shirley MEIER]

I have not had any problems working with black either , however I do work
on a white pricking as it is easier .
Shirley in Corio, Oz

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

I used a polycotton for the Dress Cap I made (in navy, as I am white-haired
now, and white lace would not show up !! )
I did not enjoy using the thread, as it did not want to stay in the hitch
around the bobbin!, but otherwise the finished product turned out very well .
the best part is that it never creases, so I can just pull it out of the case
I keep it in, (with other doilies, neck tie etc) and wear it.  A cotton lace
piece would need ironing, but not the Polycotton piece!

I have used 50 Aurofil for Needlelace (and won a prize for it!) and it was
really nice to use. I did a small piece of Gros Point type, and the sheen just
enhances the work.
I found the 28 weight Aurofil rather loosely spun, and only tried it for
bobbin Lace.  I did not like it a lot.
Regards from Liz. In sunny Melbourne, Oz.

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads for Lace book

[Jane Nelson]

Thank you for your books, Brenda.
I use them all the time and find them very useful even for the
customers at my shop who do needlepoint and other fiber
related projects.  They have been very valuable.

Look forward to purchasing Edition 7 while I am at convention
in July.

Jane Nelson
kjncr...@neb.rr.com
Valhalla Bee Farm, Owner
4713 Hartley, Suite 2
Lincoln, NE  68504
(402) 261-3407
valhallab...@tx.twcbc.com

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads for Lace book

[Karen ZM]

Well done. I just love it.invaluable when starting any project.

Karen in Malta

On 13 February 2018 at 17:46, Brenda Paternoster  wrote:

> Dear Spiders
>
> After a long wait I’m pleased to tell you all that I expect to be
> collecting
> Edition 7 from the printers tomorrow.
> All the info is at:
> http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/threads/threads.html
>
> I would like to take this opportunity thank all the lacemakers around the
> world who have helped me with this and previous editions with generous
> donations of thread samples.
>
> Brenda in Allhallows
>
> paternos...@appleshack.com
> www.brendapaternoster.co.uk
>
> -
> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
>

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads for Lace book

[Brenda Paternoster]

Dear Spiders

After a long wait I’m pleased to tell you all that I expect to be collecting
Edition 7 from the printers tomorrow.
All the info is at:
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/threads/threads.html

I would like to take this opportunity thank all the lacemakers around the
world who have helped me with this and previous editions with generous
donations of thread samples.

Brenda in Allhallows

paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads for Cluny de Brioude dentelle polychrome

[Noelene Lafferty]

The Bord de mer patterns in Cluny de Brioude dentelle polychrome book call
for Soie d'Alger.   I assume this is the Au ver a Soie D'Alger in Threads
for lace, but if I try the Ganse princesse edge with an equivalent 22 wpc
thread, it looks far too thin.  Has anyone tried this pattern and can
recommend what thread to use please?

Noelene at The Angle
noel...@lafferty.com.au

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads that are not Colorfast

[Jeriames]

Everyone:  Remember that I have given advice about dyed threads and  the 
fact they may bleed when washed on a regular schedule.  At this  current time 
in history, lacemakers are making colored lace.  They  need to test dyed 
threads before making a time-consuming lace.
 
If you are washing a white item trimmed with colored lace and embroidery  
for the first time, it is best to test each color with an eye dropper until  
water saturated, followed by being blotted with an absorbent white fabric or 
 paper.  If there is a problem, it may show (though not always) when you do 
 this..  If the item is already in water and colors are running, you must  
not let that item dry because the color will set in the white fabric.  It  
needs to be rinsed and rinsed.  Sometimes, dye stains on white fabric will  
never come out.  (Final rinse should be with distilled water, of  course.)
 
Remember that in the 4th Quarter, 20th Century, DMC changed dye  formulas 
to comply with new clean water laws and issued - to shop  owners - a list of 
color numbers that were not color-fast.  You do not  know which threads were 
affected.  Yes, they should have made them  color-fast and spread the cost 
over the entire line of threads.   But... 
 
Please do not give old colored threads to younger members of your family  
for their first adventures into making lace or embroidery without  
pre-testing.  Same with threads packaged into saved kits for events  like an 
expected 
baby, family wedding sampler, etc. that they might spend a  long time 
completing.  And remember, just as you teach young  people to wash their hands 
before cooking, teach them to wash their hands  before doing any form of 
needlework.  The problem is that they are more  likely to make something that 
must 
be washed.
 
If there is any disaster with wet cleaning, you've probably lost a  21st 
century needlewoman forever. 
 
You may share this information with your lace groups.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Strive to remain beautifully linked, like lace threads

[Anna Binnie]

Dear Jerri
I usually hate the 'me too' responses to comments made on the list BUT 
today I really had to say I agree 100% with you and yes my dreaded me 
too response.


I wish these was a way in which members of the list can agree with a 
comment as important as yours without clogging up each others inboxes. I 
wish we had a 'like' button like Facebook.


Thank you Jerri

Anna from  warm Sydney, preparing for more heat next week



Being divisive is not healthy for life, love - or  lace.



-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Strive to remain beautifully linked, like lace threads

[Jeriames]

In the past year there have been some mis-guided  actions taking place in 
guilds to which we belong.  You  are invited to join me in a message to all 
in our lace family - inside  and outside Arachne:
 
Being divisive is not healthy for life, love - or  lace.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center  

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

RE: [lace] threads for "Gold & Silver Edgings"

[Yael Kaplan]

For your information:  In Brenda's book (my bible.), on page 101-102
(20 wraps/cm) Madeira Metallic No. 12 (Art. No. 9806) is also listed in this
section.  
Madeira's Metallic No. 12, also called Glamour No. 12, is the strongest and
most advanced heavy weight metallic embroidery and lace making thread on the
market today. The thread has a special texture and sparkle while maintaining
a soft hand feel. 200m spools, Available in 40 colors.
I've tried it for Bobbin Lace and the results are exquisite! See:
http://madeirail.com/product/metallic-glamour-no-12-200m/.  Color card are
available at: http://madeirail.com/threads-color-guides/

Yael



-Original Message-
From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
Sue Babbs
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 1:45 AM
To: Brenda Paternoster 
Cc: Susan ; Arachne 
Subject: Re: [lace] threads for "Gold & Silver Edgings"

To clarify things further, I only like the 40/2 and 60/2 Moravia threads.
Others are more similar to various other metallics (eg DMC) which dont
handle as nicely


Sue

suebabbs...@gmail.com
http://babbsandbaobabs.blogspot.com/

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] threads for "Gold & Silver Edgings"

[Sue Babbs]

To clarify things further, I only like the 40/2 and 60/2 Moravia threads.
Others are more similar to various other metallics (eg DMC) which don’t handle
as nicely


Sue

suebabbs...@gmail.com
http://babbsandbaobabs.blogspot.com/

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] threads for "Gold & Silver Edgings"

[Susan]

Thank you Sue & Bev!  Clearly I goofed up Google by typing in the whole thing 
rather than separating Atelier MB from medalfaden so I only found Atelier MB 
architects.  Who knew!  Oh my, lots of cool stuff.  I don't know Mayra P but 
will look her up in the Handbook when I get home.  The spool looks familiar & I 
think I own one of the "Moravia" silver so will check the size.  Thanks again 
for the link & recommendation.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL 
USA 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Sue Babbs  wrote:
> 
> The gold and silver threads listed at the top of Atelier MB's page make 
> wonderful bobbin lace.  
> 

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] threads for "Gold & Silver Edgings"

[Brenda Paternoster]

Thank you Sue for that info.

It looks as though the NeL 80/2 is what Moravia sold as “fine glitter” and the
40/2 and 60/2 are what Moravia sold as “metallic”.  AFAIK Moravia never sold a
100/2 metallic.

Brenda

> On 8 Jun 2016, at 21:57, Sue Babbs  wrote:
>
> The gold and silver threads listed at the top of Atelier MB's page make
wonderful bobbin lace.  They used to be sold as "Moravia threads".  They keep
their color, and don't shed.

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] threads for "Gold & Silver Edgings"

[Sue Babbs]

The gold and silver threads listed at the top of Atelier MB's page make 
wonderful bobbin lace.  They used to be sold as "Moravia threads".  They 
keep their color, and don't shed.  I used to get them from Mayra Petretti, 
if you have her contact info, Susan


They are my favourite metallics to use.



Sue

suebabbs...@gmail.com

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] threads for "Gold & Silver Edgings"

[Bev Walker]

Hello Susan and everyone

"Atelier MB Medalfaden 40/2 " is metallic thread (medalfaden) available
from www.ateliermb.ch

Go through their links in language of choice to see photo of thread and
order details. AtelierMB has a pdf catalogue for 2016 to download of their
bobbin lace supplies (worth a look on its own! beautiful items to use in
our craft). At the end of the pdf file is a listing all the threads they
sell including photos of colour samples

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Susan  wrote:

> . & there is no info on Medalfaden
>


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] threads for "Gold & Silver Edgings"

[Susan]

Thank you Brenda--I appreciate the DMC clarifications & will mark your book 
accordingly!  From your description, it sounds like the Presencia is similar to 
some Kreinik spooled threads--fine cord??--& some threads that are available in 
hanks from the Japanese Embroidery Center in Atlanta.  I will ask my LNS if she 
can get them as she carries everything else by Presencia.  When I checked the 
Rajmahal site, they seem to have metal/metallic threads but I don't see the 
thread that I own so perhaps it is discontinued?  As I recall, it was put up in 
plied skeins, similar to DMC mouline, but slightly finer.  I reeled mine off 
onto those donut shaped plastic bobbins to tame them as they were quite 
fly-away.  I have used them for surface embroidery & the gold color is much 
richer than DMC.  Perhaps someone in that part of the world will comment on 
using Rajmahal threads for lace. According to Google, Stephen Simpson is out of 
business & there is no info on Medalfaden.  Benton & Johns!
 on make goldwork threads to order.  While I don't own any, embroidery friends 
do & they have spoken highly about their products.  Clearly I am looking 
forward to practicing with cotton or linen so I can get to the fun 
stuff--playing with the metals!  Thanks again Brenda.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, 
Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA 

Sent from my iPad

> 
> 

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] threads for "Gold & Silver Edgings"

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hi Susan

Stephen Simpson and Atelier MB Medalfaden 40/2 are unknown to me, nor have I
seen the Benton & Johnson threads.

Coats/Mez/Anchor are all the same company so yes Coats Ophir and Mez Ophir are
the same.  (I think it’s just that they are marketed as different brands in
USA and Europe, and possibly also Japan.

Presencia make two metallics - ‘fine' which is a wrapped thread and 2 ply
which I’m pretty sure is two lies of the ‘fine' spun together.

DMC used the name fil metallise (which of course just means metallic thread)
for four different threads!
The one that’s Art 270 is rayon and lame = 2S/3Z - 22 w/cm
Art 272 is also rayon and lame in a different proportion and is 2S/3Z - 21
w/cm.  These two are very similar
Then there is Art 278 which is polyamide and polyester = bound/3S - 22 w/cm
That’s rather different
Also Fil metallise 50 which is 4S - 29w/cm, different again.

I haven’t seen any Rajmahal metallic thread, the only Rajmahal thread I know
of is a rayon intended for machine embroidery.

Brenda


> On 8 Jun 2016, at 01:53, hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote:
>
> Hello All!  Gil Dye's metallic edgings are calling my name & I thought I
would start out by working a few strips in plain cotton or linen before
jumping off on the metallic threads.  To orient myself, I started with the
thread comparisons on pg 8 & ran into a snag when I couldn't find some of the
threads in Brenda's book.  Just guessing here--it seems like the Benton &
Johnson passing & tambour plus the Jap thread would not normally be found in
her thread index because they are goldwork threads rather than lace.  I am not
familiar with Stephen Simpson or Atelier MB Medalfaden 40/2 so have no clue.
Is Coats Ophir the same as MEZ?  There are two entries for DMC Fil Metallise:
4S 29 & bound 27, but maybe they are close enough size-wise that it doesn't
matter.  Plus I wasn't sure about the correct Presencia thread--in fact I
didn't know they make metallics!  If anyone has worked these edgings, would
you be willing to share what you know about the threads?  Are there some
logica!
> l thread substitutes for ones that haven't been tested by Brenda?  Has
anyone used Rajmahal threads?  I own some stranded Rajmahal metallic that is
similar to DMC Mouline, maybe slightly finer.  Any help will be most
appreciated.  Many thanks.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
USA
>
> -
> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] threads for "Gold & Silver Edgings"

[hottleco]

Hello All!  Gil Dye's metallic edgings are calling my name & I thought I would 
start out by working a few strips in plain cotton or linen before jumping off 
on the metallic threads.  To orient myself, I started with the thread 
comparisons on pg 8 & ran into a snag when I couldn't find some of the threads 
in Brenda's book.  Just guessing here--it seems like the Benton & Johnson 
passing & tambour plus the Jap thread would not normally be found in her thread 
index because they are goldwork threads rather than lace.  I am not familiar 
with Stephen Simpson or Atelier MB Medalfaden 40/2 so have no clue.  Is Coats 
Ophir the same as MEZ?  There are two entries for DMC Fil Metallise:  4S 29 & 
bound 27, but maybe they are close enough sizewise that it doesn't matter.  
Plus I wasn't sure about the correct Presencia thread--in fact I didn't know 
they make metallics!  If anyone has worked these edgings, would you be willing 
to share what you know about the threads?  Are there some logica!
 l thread substitutes for ones that haven't been tested by Brenda?  Has anyone 
used Rajmahal threads?  I own some stranded Rajmahal metallic that is similar 
to DMC Mouline, maybe slightly finer.  Any help will be most appreciated.  Many 
thanks.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA  

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads questions

[Brenda Paternoster]

Yes, They are both in Addendum 5 which means they are also in Edition 6.

Brenda

> On 6 Sep 2015, at 23:07, Bev Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hello Sue M and everyone
> Both are in T4L Addendum List 5
> http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/threads/add5.html
> so probably are in the latest edition of Brenda's thread book also.
> Look up Happy Hands Lizbeth 80 (Twirlz?)
> 
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Bespokethreadsandyarns <
> bespokethreadsandya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Cannot find in Paternoster's book, Lisbeth 80 nor Frank's 20/3 ( both
>> referenced in Ulrike's Torchon book. Can anyne help me out? Need wraps per
>> centimater. Thanks. Sue M
>> 
>> --
> Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
> Canada
> 
> -
> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads questions

[Bev Walker]

Hello Sue M and everyone
Both are in T4L Addendum List 5
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/threads/add5.html
so probably are in the latest edition of Brenda's thread book also.
Look up Happy Hands Lizbeth 80 (Twirlz?)

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Bespokethreadsandyarns <
bespokethreadsandya...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cannot find in Paternoster's book, Lisbeth 80 nor Frank's 20/3 ( both
> referenced in Ulrike's Torchon book. Can anyne help me out? Need wraps per
> centimater. Thanks. Sue M
>
> --
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads questions

[Bespokethreadsandyarns]

Cannot find in Paternoster's book, Lisbeth 80 nor Frank's 20/3 ( both 
referenced in Ulrike's Torchon book. Can anyne help me out? Need wraps per 
centimater. Thanks. Sue M 

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads

[Susan]

Thank you for the explanation Francis!  After some extra G**gling, it looks 
like this thread might be both--broche creuse & made in Creuse?  The weight 
might be 15/2 (2/15) if my poor French skills are correct.  In the meantime, 
your very lovely Yaspe silks are waiting patiently for the Sabrina scarf.  So 
much thread, so little time!  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA 

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 5:45 AM, Francis Busschaert 
>  wrote:
> 
> hoi susan
> creuse is not a place
> it is a way to produce a thread
> it is fully named/called
> "broche creuse"
> in english "hollow spindle"
> 
> it is perfectly for knitting and fat torchon laces
> it is not good not bad
> there is for the moment much much more exiting yarn on the markets even in 
> the USA
> 
> kind regards
> 
> francis
> 
> 
>> Op 3-sep.-2015, om 02:42 heeft Susan  het volgende 
>> geschreven:
>> 
>> Hello All!  As most of you know, I never (well almost never!) met a thread I 
>> didn't like!  Today, I hit the jackpot with an order that brought WonderFil 
>> Eleganza, Fonty & Thread Gatherers Oriental Linen to my mailbox.  If anyone 
>> has any experience with these threads, would you please post your comments?  
>> In the meantime, I will share what (little) I know.  The Eleganza is 100% 
>> Giza 88 cotton & the colors are beyond fabulous!  Who hasn't wished for 
>> perle 8 that is outside the box?!  Bookmarks may never be the same with this 
>> thread.  Fonty by Calin is pretty much a mystery except that it is 2ply 
>> linen & "made in Creuse".  The 190m spool is 25 grams & knitting gauge is 
>> listed as 2-2.5.  No size listed.  The Oriental Linen is 2ply, 52% silk & 
>> 48% linen.  It's knubby & "naturally" variegated because the fibers take the 
>> dye differently.  It's a bonanza that I'm eager to test!  WonderFil Eleganza 
>> is listed in Addendum 5, but I didn't find the others.  If someone in France 
>> can sh!
 ed !
>> some light on the linen, that would be great.  Would love to hear some 
>> reviews, pro or con.  Many thanks.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> -
>> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
>> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
>> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
> 

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads

[Francis Busschaert]

hoi susan
creuse is not a place
it is a way to produce a thread
it is fully named/called
"broche creuse"
in english "hollow spindle"

it is perfectly for knitting and fat torchon laces
it is not good not bad
there is for the moment much much more exiting yarn on the markets even in the 
USA

kind regards

francis


> Op 3-sep.-2015, om 02:42 heeft Susan  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> Hello All!  As most of you know, I never (well almost never!) met a thread I 
> didn't like!  Today, I hit the jackpot with an order that brought WonderFil 
> Eleganza, Fonty & Thread Gatherers Oriental Linen to my mailbox.  If anyone 
> has any experience with these threads, would you please post your comments?  
> In the meantime, I will share what (little) I know.  The Eleganza is 100% 
> Giza 88 cotton & the colors are beyond fabulous!  Who hasn't wished for perle 
> 8 that is outside the box?!  Bookmarks may never be the same with this 
> thread.  Fonty by Calin is pretty much a mystery except that it is 2ply linen 
> & "made in Creuse".  The 190m spool is 25 grams & knitting gauge is listed as 
> 2-2.5.  No size listed.  The Oriental Linen is 2ply, 52% silk & 48% linen.  
> It's knubby & "naturally" variegated because the fibers take the dye 
> differently.  It's a bonanza that I'm eager to test!  WonderFil Eleganza is 
> listed in Addendum 5, but I didn't find the others.  If someone in France can 
> she!
 d !
> some light on the linen, that would be great.  Would love to hear some 
> reviews, pro or con.  Many thanks.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> -
> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads

[Susan]

Hello All!  As most of you know, I never (well almost never!) met a thread I 
didn't like!  Today, I hit the jackpot with an order that brought WonderFil 
Eleganza, Fonty & Thread Gatherers Oriental Linen to my mailbox.  If anyone has 
any experience with these threads, would you please post your comments?  In the 
meantime, I will share what (little) I know.  The Eleganza is 100% Giza 88 
cotton & the colors are beyond fabulous!  Who hasn't wished for perle 8 that is 
outside the box?!  Bookmarks may never be the same with this thread.  Fonty by 
Calin is pretty much a mystery except that it is 2ply linen & "made in Creuse". 
 The 190m spool is 25 grams & knitting gauge is listed as 2-2.5.  No size 
listed.  The Oriental Linen is 2ply, 52% silk & 48% linen.  It's knubby & 
"naturally" variegated because the fibers take the dye differently.  It's a 
bonanza that I'm eager to test!  WonderFil Eleganza is listed in Addendum 5, 
but I didn't find the others.  If someone in France can shed !
 some light on the linen, that would be great.  Would love to hear some 
reviews, pro or con.  Many thanks.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA 

Sent from my iPad

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads and colour fastness

[Cynce Williams]

Weavers have told me to make a butterfly (finger hank) of the thread in
question, wet it and place it on a white paper towel. Or fold it in the towel
and add pressure. If the dye is going to run, it’ll color the paper.

Cynthia


On Apr 5, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Jocelyn Froese  wrote:

> We are told a good idea is to test for colour fastness due to environmental
restrictions on previously used dyes. As embroiderers, and lacemakers we
should always be aware of the possibility of colours running. Another thread
topic! What is a tried and true method of testing threads?

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads and colour fastness

[Jocelyn Froese]

We are told a good idea is to test for colour fastness due to environmental 
restrictions on previously used dyes. As embroiderers, and lacemakers we should 
always be aware of the possibility of colours running. Another thread topic! 
What is a tried and true method of testing threads?

Sent from my iPhone
Jocelyn Froese Winnipeg Manitoba
In the center of Canada, where winter has taken a cold bite out if spring. 
Happy Easter!

> 
> -
> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads for Lace Edition 6

[Brenda Paternoster]

Dear All

I am please to let you all know that I will be collecting Ed6 from the printer
on Monday.
Details on my website,
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/threads/threads.html

Brenda


Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads Book

[Achim Siebert]

I wholeheartedly agree - thank you Brenda for all the work you put into this 
book!
Since I'm still with ed. 4 I think it's high time for a new copy as soon as 
Barbary Fay has it available.

Best regards, Achim.

> Am 12.02.2015 um 11:30 schrieb The Lace Bee :
> 
> I was just unpacking my lap top this morning at 8.30 and switching it on when 
> I heard a cry of happiness on the wind.
> 
> I think it was all the lacemakers on Arachne reading your post.
> 
> Can I add my thanks for you wonderful book.  I know what is going on my 
> birthday list this year.
> 
> L
> 
> Kind Regards
> Liz Baker
> 
>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 08:30, Brenda Paternoster  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Spiders
>> 
>> I’ve finally finished making myself google eyed with proof reading and
>> Edition 6 of Threads for Lace is now with the printer.

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads Book

[The Lace Bee]

I was just unpacking my lap top this morning at 8.30 and switching it on when I 
heard a cry of happiness on the wind.

I think it was all the lacemakers on Arachne reading your post.

Can I add my thanks for you wonderful book.  I know what is going on my 
birthday list this year.

L

Kind Regards
Liz Baker

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 08:30, Brenda Paternoster  
> wrote:
> 
> Dear Spiders
> 
> I’ve finally finished making myself google eyed with proof reading and
> Edition 6 of Threads for Lace is now with the printer.
> 
> I still have to work out the fine details of prices and postage costs.  It’s
> a thicker book, 20 extra pages to include almost 400 extra threads, which
> means it will be more expensive than Ed 5 was, but overall printing costs are
> about the same as they were six years ago - yes that long ago! - when Ed5 was
> printed.
> 
> More info on my website.
> 
> Now I can wind some bobbins……...
> 
> Brenda in Allhallows
> paternos...@appleshack.com
> www.brendapaternoster.co.uk
> 
> -
> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads Book

[AGlez]

Fantastic work, Brenda. For me your book is also a basic side table book!
It saves us lacemakers so much work! Thank you very much!

Best wishes from a cold Spain...

Antje González

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads Book

[celia mulhearn]

Congratulations Brenda,
 I look forward to buying a copy. Where would we be without it, Ed5 is one of 
the most important books in my collection. Enjoy getting back to winding those 
bobbins. Thank you for your hard work it is much appreciated by a lot of us 
lacemakers x

Celia Mulhearn - Somerset UK

Sent from my iPad

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 08:30, Brenda Paternoster  
> wrote
> 
> I’ve finally finished making myself google eyed with proof reading and
> Edition 6 of Threads for Lace is now with the printer.
> 

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads Book

[Brenda Paternoster]

Dear Spiders

I’ve finally finished making myself google eyed with proof reading and
Edition 6 of Threads for Lace is now with the printer.

I still have to work out the fine details of prices and postage costs.  It’s
a thicker book, 20 extra pages to include almost 400 extra threads, which
means it will be more expensive than Ed 5 was, but overall printing costs are
about the same as they were six years ago - yes that long ago! - when Ed5 was
printed.

More info on my website.

Now I can wind some bobbins……...

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads

[Brenda Paternoster]

> 
> What is "soie ovale”?

Au ver a Soie Ovale is a very lightly twisted filament silk floss - the sort 
used for satin stitch embroidery
I measured it as 13 wraps/cm, but that gives a false impression that it is 
quite thick, if it was twisted as much as most thread it would be considerably 
more wraps/cm
> 
> What is "Zurcher Staldeer 20/2”

I’ve not seen any of that, but Google comes up with the Zurcher-Stalder website
https://zsag.abacuscity.ch/en/home

They have a 20/2 mercerised cotton
https://zsag.abacuscity.ch/en/eur/3~10103/Yarns-ZSAG/Cotton-Yarns/Mercerised-cotton-Ne-20-2
and a 20/2 tussah silk
https://zsag.abacuscity.ch/en/eur/3~10401/Yarns-ZSAG/Silk/Tussah-Silk-Nm-20-2

so it could be either of those

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads

[Miriam Gidron]

Hi,

I have a question regarding two kinds of threads.

What is "soie ovale"?

What is "Zurcher Staldeer 20/2"

Thanks

Miriam
in Israel

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads

[Miriam Gidron]

Thanks to all of you who answered my mail.

The fact that I had trouble with my sewings  doesn't mean that I didn't
find ways to solve the problem.

Putting in a magic thread was really not practical and would have put me
off completely from finishing this piece of lace. I often use a magic
thread when starting a braid or when I know ahead of time that this will be
my last pin. The Aurifil isn't that fine that I need a lazy Susan . I have
used them all in the past and in this case the correct crochet hook does
the job quite nicely if he thread doesn't split up precisely  that moment.

I hope to finish this reel of thread and go back to threads a like a lot
better.

Miriam
in Israel

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads

[Bev Walker]

Hello Miriam and everyone

How perfectly frustrating about the thread splitting and difficulty with
sewings . Others have mentioned magic threads but I think in the context of
putting them in ahead of time (thus this rainbow of colours to keep them
organized). Using a short length of sturdier thread to loop t;hrough where
you want the join, or to loop the main thread to act as the catch for the
hook when doing the sewing will likely help. Try different ways to suit you
and the pattern. Remove this thread of course, and use again indefinitely.

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Miriam Gidron wrote:

> The pattern recommended Aurifil 12/2, so I got it also and started making
> the pattern right after I returned home. ...

I must say  after completing a quarter of the pattern that I'm not very
> happy with the thread. The colors are beautiful but it unravels
> and when making sewings it is very difficult to catch the complete thread.
>
> --
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads - Magic Threads for Sewings

[suebabbs385]

Jeri is right that using several colours of magic threads is better than all 
one colour, especially if your lace is made of very fine threads where all 
the pins are close together.


When using magic threads, I find it even easier if I use silk threads (e.g. 
Piper's 90/3) rather than cotton.  Silk slides through the loops more easily 
and is stronger.


It has just occurred to me that this would be a good use of threads left on 
bobbins at the end of a project.


Sue

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hi Miriam

First of all, Aurifil is a Z twisted thread; you may be a lacemaker who gets on 
better with S twisted threads - which most traditional lace threads are/were.

Secondly, Aurifil are 2ply threads which mean that they flatten more than three 
ply thread and are less strong.  I personally wouldn't choose anything 2ply for 
machine piecing, though it would be OK for the quilting.

Brenda

On 11 Jun 2013, at 10:34, Miriam Gidron wrote:

> The pattern recommended Aurifil 12/2, so I got it also and started making
> the pattern right after I returned home. This was especially so that the
> pattern doesn't get filed as a "to do" project which will be forgotten
> later on because something new  caught my interest.
> 
> I must say  after completing a quarter of the pattern that I'm not very
> happy with the thread. The colors are beautiful but it unravels
> and when making sewings it is very difficult to catch the complete thread.
> 
> I understand from quilting lists that the size 50 is a very good thread. I
> don't get it here so I don't know. I can't say the same about the 12/2.

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads - Magic Threads for Sewings

[Jeriames]

Dear Miriam and Others with the crochet hook problem,
 
Do you know the Magic Thread technique?  It's about the third item  at
http://www.make-lace-with-us.com/lacemakers.html
 
Anyone working with fluffy or lightly twisted threads on their bobbins  
should know there is a small 48 page book on the Magic Thread  technique by 
Christine Springett, U.K.  This book is recommended  because you'd have to have 
it mailed to you, and it will be the lowest  postage, I think.
http://www.cdspringett.co.uk/acatalog/Lacemaking_Books.html   

North Americans:  You can go to your usual large lace suppliers for  
Springett books.
 
There are other books, but the two I can think of off the top of my head  
are in German.  A problem for many on Arachne.  And the ones I am  thinking 
of are larger and heavier to mail.

 
Miriam, I think you remember that I introduced my friend who now lives  in 
Budapest to you at an OIDFA congress.  She has a system of using threads  of 
different colors (like the rainbow) and arranging them so that the threads  
next to each other are different colors.  When you have the book, you can  
see why she went to a rainbow of colors, pictured on the back  cover.  She 
cuts a generous supply, which are lightly knotted by color  to prevent 
tangles and stores together to bring out when needed.  A  color photo of this 
is 
on back cover of the Springett book.  Buy  spools of colored sewing thread 
when on sale, so there is not much extra  cost.
 
Regards, Jeri
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
-
 
 
In a message dated 6/11/2013 5:34:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mgid...@netvision.net.il writes:

I must  say  after completing a quarter of the pattern that I'm not very
happy  with the thread. The colors are beautiful but it unravels
and when making  sewings it is very difficult to catch the complete  thread.

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads

[Miriam Gidron]

During my visit to  Berlin  last month I bought a very nice pattern at the
small lace shop there.
The pattern recommended Aurifil 12/2, so I got it also and started making
the pattern right after I returned home. This was especially so that the
pattern doesn't get filed as a "to do" project which will be forgotten
later on because something new  caught my interest.

I must say  after completing a quarter of the pattern that I'm not very
happy with the thread. The colors are beautiful but it unravels
and when making sewings it is very difficult to catch the complete thread.

I understand from quilting lists that the size 50 is a very good thread. I
don't get it here so I don't know. I can't say the same about the 12/2.

Miriam
in Israel

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] threads for bobbin lace

[Brenda Paternoster]

Yes, I very much agree with you there - though a lot of braid laces look good 
at a large scale too.  Also the finer laces rely more on texture variations 
(lots of different stitches) and don't take so well to colour as torchon does.

Brenda

On 9 Jun 2013, at 18:19,  wrote:

> My sense is that Torchon looks good in a larger scale with a broader range of 
> threads, while other styles take on a garish appearance as proportions are 
> increased.

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] threads

[Cindy Rusak]

Hi Jane,

It is a cotton (vintage types) cord wrapped in rayon.  If you look at
modern wedding laces with a 'gimp', the gimp cord is similar to what they
are suggesting.   Here is a close-up from a modern piece:
http://doily.exblog.jp/8393729.  It is much heavier than a normal gimp
thread.  Vintage cord turns up occasionally on eBay and is often advertised
as crochet gimp.  I think it may have been used to crochet purses.  I was
in a ribbon store in Toronto recently and they had rayon gimp available in
quite a number colours.  I think some fabric stores carry it but maybe only
in white and black, and I suspect the modern version is probably a
polyester core with a rayon wrapping.

Hope this helps,
Cindy Rusak, Bracebridge, ON, Canada


On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Jane O'Connor  wrote:

> I, too, have a threads question. What is Mirecourt cord? I picked up a
> pattern
> yesterday that call for it used as a gimp and have no idea what the thread
> is
> or
> possible substitution. Help!
>  Jane O'Connor
> New Lenox, IL USA
>
> -
> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
>

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] threads

[Jane O'Connor]

I, too, have a threads question. What is Mirecourt cord? I picked up a pattern
yesterday that call for it used as a gimp and have no idea what the thread is
or 
possible substitution. Help!
 Jane O'Connor 
New Lenox, IL USA

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] threads

[Lyn Bailey]

I, too like Aurifil.  Introduced at a point ground class by Ulrike Voelker. 
Mako 50 is comparable to Egyptian cotton 60, but with a much more linen like 
feel.  Also has a nice, subdued but definite luster.  I'm making an American 
flag with it, miles of cloth stitich it seems, but the luster is very 
pleasant.  The luster doesn't show on 'regular' lace, as in Bucks point. 
But the slightly stiffer feel can be very useful, since I'm not sure they 
make linen in that size.  It's also a nice, strong thread.  Made in Italy, I 
believe.  And lots of colors.  Doesn't really come finder than 50.


Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the first tropical storm has 
passed, with only 2 inches of rain, and then lovely weather, great for 
weeding and lacemaking on the deck.


Lorelei wrote:
I like Aurifil and Sulky quilting threads.  Size 50 is comparable to DMC #50
Broder Machine.  They both have lots and lots of beautiful colors.  Size 30 
is

comparable to DMC #30 Broder Machine.

http://www.redrockthreads.com/aurifil-thread/

http://www.ericas.com/threads/sulky_cottonsolids.htm

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] threads

[Lorelei Halley]

I like Aurifil and Sulky quilting threads.  Size 50 is comparable to DMC #50
Broder Machine.  They both have lots and lots of beautiful colors.  Size 30 is
comparable to DMC #30 Broder Machine.

http://www.redrockthreads.com/aurifil-thread/

http://www.ericas.com/threads/sulky_cottonsolids.htm

Lorelei

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] threads for bobbin lace

[hottleco]

Hello All!  Thank you Brenda for sharing your thread advice!  It's already 
printed & secured with your book!!  As an embroiderer, novice lacemaker & 
unrepentant thread junkie, I have a thread stash that rivals the inventory of a 
small needlwork shop.  Arlene's point is well taken--idle threads are the 
devil's workshop!  That said, the type & scale of the lace is definitely the 
issue for me & therein lies the problem.  I love the flowers & critters of 
Honiton, but they lose something in the translation when used with larger scale 
threads & prickings.  Oliver Twist is my favorite variegated cotton, but my 
Honiton leaves look--well--lumpy.  Madeira Cotona is a better weight but colors 
are limited.  So I'm now considering the advice of my friend who works 
Hardanger.  She's been complaining for years because she needs perle 8 & 12 in 
the same color & DMC limits the color range of size 12.  She finally gave up & 
now makes her pieces in white or ecru & dyes the whole thing after th!
 e fact.  Our next EGA meeting is the annual dyeing day so I'd better get it in 
gear if I'm going to take lace in addition to all the ribbons, canvas, linen & 
threads that are on my to-dye list!  My sense is that Torchon looks good in a 
larger scale with a broader range of threads, while other styles take on a 
garish appearance as proportions are increased.  Even so, I will stay tuned to 
see what more experienced lacemakers have to say.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, 
Erie, PA USA

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] THREADS

[Brenda Paternoster]

Alex

It doesn't go back quite that far.  It was a Lace Guild convention workshop 
with Bill Hornsby when each of us had a thread labelled as "size 100" with 
which we made a wrapping and he went on to explain why the results were all 
rather different.

I do remember though in one of the guinea pig self-help groups mention was made 
that we should know the difference between 2-ply and 3-ply threads and I 
remember thinking that yes I knew what 2-ply and 3-ply meant,  though at that 
time I didn't have a clue about the resulting properties!

For anyone else still wondering; a 2-ply thread will flatten more than a 3-ply 
one.  That means that the 2-ply thread will embed itself down more and make a 
soft, drapy lace.  Good for something which is to be used as a gathered edging. 
 The 3-ply thread remains a bit rounder when made up and will be a little 
crisper so better for lace which is to be displayed flat.  The 6-ply crochet 
threads (usually 2S/3Z) are very firm and make quite harsh feeling lace, not so 
good for wearing but good for table mats etc.

Brenda

On 25 Mar 2013, at 10:22, Alex Stillwell wrote:

> Thank you for all the work you do on threads Brenda. Didn't this have its
> origins in our self-help group when we were guinea pigs when the City & Guilds
> Lacemaking was set up?

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] THREADS

[Alex Stillwell]

From: Brenda Paternoster 
Subject: [lace] Addendum 5

Dear Spiders

I have just caught up on a backlog of threads sent to me recently by several
of you lovely people and I have just added about three dozen new (and new-old)
threads to the list, so it's time for everyone to have another look at:

Thank you for all the work you do on threads Brenda. Didn't this have its
origins in ourlf-help group when we were guinea pigs when the City & Guilds
Lacemaking was set up?

Happy lacemaking

Alex

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads for sewing christening gown

[Dona Bushong]

The one site I found which sold linen sewing thread did say that it has to
be waxed with bees wax before using.  Probably for this very reason- the
coming unspun.  Will that bit of wax become a problem later on?  Will it
eventually collect dirt and discolor?
I do think my best option is to sew the garment itself with a cotton thread
and hand sew the lace onto the garment with linen.
Next question - do I wash my lace before attaching it to the garment?  I
will, of course, wash the fabric first.
Thank you all for your thoughts.
Dona


Another major reason why linen threads are not suitable for machine sewing
> is that they are nearly all S spun.  That makes them very suitable for BL
> because most BL has more twists than crosses in its construction and the
> twist action will tend to tighten a Z spun thread but loosen an S spun
> thread.  However, sewing machines are all made to take Z spun thread.  Even
> if you do find a nice smooth linen it will tend to come unspun with the
> action of the sewing machine and the machine will definitely not be happy.
>
>

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: [lace] Threads for sewing christening gown

[Brenda Paternoster]

Another major reason why linen threads are not suitable for machine sewing is 
that they are nearly all S spun.  That makes them very suitable for BL because 
most BL has more twists than crosses in its construction and the twist action 
will tend to tighten a Z spun thread but loosen an S spun thread.  However, 
sewing machines are all made to take Z spun thread.  Even if you do find a nice 
smooth linen it will tend to come unspun with the action of the sewing machine 
and the machine will definitely not be happy.

Really you only have two choices - use cotton (not polyester!) in your sewing 
machine or use the linen thread you used to make the lace and attach it by 
hand.  Having spent a lot of time making the lace I personally would choose to 
attach it by hand even if the dress itself is linen fabric sewn together with 
cotton.

Brenda

On 26 Jan 2013, at 08:14, lacel...@frontier.com wrote:

> In all my sewing experience, I haven't found any machine thread made of 
> linen.  It's the nature of the textile that makes it unsuitable for machines. 
> Linen thread tends to be a bit irregular in thickness, and has slubs.  It is 
> also not slippery.  Thread for machines needs to be very even and smooth, and 
> slide easily through all the gears.  A sewing machine makes the thread rub 
> against metal about 20 times before it is sewn in the fabric.  Slubs would 
> jam up the works.
> 
> In history, machine laces didn't become a major commercial venture until 
> cotton thread became widely available (after the development of the cotton 
> gin).  The linen thread just would not slide easily through all the slots and 
> gears.  Cotton thread did.

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

RE: [lace] Threads for sewing christening gown

[Maureen]

H Donna

I would use the same thread that I have used to make the lace to  sew the 
finished lace to the material. As your material is linen and your lace is 
made from linen then there would be no compromise.Plus it would blend in 
beautifully.

Maureen
E Yorks UK  Where the snow fall from last night is melting under the sunny 
morning.

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] Threads for sewing christening gown

[lacelady]

Interesting question, and my immediate response is ...Possibly not.

In all my sewing experience, I haven't found any machine thread made of linen.  
It's the nature of the textile that makes it unsuitable for machines.  Linen 
thread tends to be a bit irregular in thickness, and has slubs.  It is also not 
slippery.  Thread for machines needs to be very even and smooth, and slide 
easily through all the gears.  A sewing machine makes the thread rub against 
metal about 20 times before it is sewn in the fabric.  Slubs would jam up the 
works.

In history, machine laces didn't become a major commercial venture until cotton 
thread became widely available (after the development of the cotton gin).  The 
linen thread just would not slide easily through all the slots and gears.  
Cotton thread did.

In hand sewing, a person can deal with the thick and thin parts of the thread.

I guess a spool of lace linen thread could be tried in a machine to see how it 
responds.  I've never had the reason to try it.  And I have no linen garments 
to look at to see what the commercial industry uses.  One of the better quality 
thinner linen threads might be strong enough to not break while making one 
small garment.

Has anyone on the Lace List sewn a linen garment?  Please speak up. What thread 
did you use?

Alice in Oregon --- where it's changed from cold and icy to cool and wet.


- Original Message -
From: Dona Bushong 
 With renewed energy I've managed to make good
progress on yardage that I'm making to go on the bottom of a christening
gown.  I've decided to go ahead and sew the
gown and begin applying the lace that I have made. ..
My question deals more with the thread for sewing the gown than with the
lace. Both the lace and fabric are linen..I've looked online for 
linen sewing threads but most of
my searches have come up with threads for hand sewing.  Will I be able to
find linen thread for machine sewing?  
Dona in Havre de Grace, MD

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

[lace] threads fraying

[Jo]

Did you observe the twist in the individual threads? Sometimes your bobbins
tend to roll on the pillow mainly in one direction. 50% chance that undoes
the twist in the thread and they loose integrety. Retwist until the thread
starts to curl, gently slide the overkill of twist into the colthwork and
your threads are safe again.

> I had a problem with the passive 
> threads.  By the time I got to the end of the piece they were 
> seriously fraying.  I was using Brok cotton...I think size 
> 40.

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent

[lace] Threads on books on demand and data back-up

[Witchy Woman]

I've been following these two threads with great interest.  A few things I'd
like to contribute...

I'm hoping that some of the current authors of lace
books are reading this 
thread and will consider the things we have talked
about.  As has been already 
brought up, I think it's important for the
authors to be able to get the money 
that is due to them for their work.  When
books go out of print, the only ones 
who profit are the booksellers.  


As
to formats, I've purchased books through lulu.com, a print-on-demand site,
and have always been happy with the quality of the books I've received.  I
prefer a hard copy to an electronic copy, and lulu provides both.  BTW, they
currently have a few lace titles available.

On the other hand, I think having
the book available in a pdf formt has a lot of 
benefits, too.  The first
being the size.  It can be put on a disk that takes up 
a lot less room than a
book.  The second is that instead of trying to photocopy 
or scan a pattern,
which subjects the pattern to distortion, I can simply print 
out the page. 
The third is that you can zoom in and see details better.

As to the idea of
backing up data...

Even though I use them I don't totally trust magnetic
media such as flash 
drive/memory sticks or external hard drives.  They seem
to die too easily.  I 
always back up on CD's or DVD's, depending on the
size.  There are archival 
quality versions that are made to last that use
gold in their dyes and have 
scratch resistant surfaces.  A bit more
expensive, but worth it.  


I also like the idea of mailing a document to
yourself and storing it in your 
web e-mail.  However, be aware that some
sites such as Yahoo will only keep a 
few years worth of messages.  They
automatically delete messages over a certain 
age..I think it's 3 or 4 years. 
My two cents.

Peg
in chilly Fairview Park OH...seems like a few days ago the
Powers-That-Be 
flipped the great cosmic season switch and plunged us headlong
into autumn.  
Have to dig out the cold weather clothes tomorrow.

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003

Re: [lace] threads

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hi Sue

> I have a part spool of a fairly old DMC 6o Cordonnet special
That's in the book - 2S/3Z 24 w/cm
> and a Cordonnet
> mercer crochet 80 which has the wording Glanzhallelgarn Uncinetto (I think)
> but I expect that will be mentioned in Brendas' book.
I haven't seen that but I would expect it to be similar to DMC Cordonnet 80 or 
Special Dentelles 80 (2S/3Z 30)
> 
> 
> the ones I dont know are Filato per tombolo Canto.  One spool says  ET 30 Gr
> 25 (I assume it is size 30 and 25 Grams)  ?
> the other spool says ET 50 Gr 25.
> Also in my box is  another filato per tomobolo di Cantu  N 40  Gr 25.   

As Jane said
they are - all 3S, 30 = 21 w/cm, 40 = 32 w/cm and 50 = 34 w/cm.
> 

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003

Re: [lace] threads

[Sister Claire]

Ah, the CRS (Can't Remember Stuff) Syndrome. I'm a long-time sufferer
myself! *grin*

As Jane pointed out, Cantu thread makes up into a firm lace that holds its
shape admirably. It is excellent for things like mounted pictorial lace,
mats, edgings for altar cloths. I wouldn't use it to make up anything that
is meant to drape.

Sr. Claire

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 13:44, Sue T  wrote:

> Yes thank you both Sr Claire and Jane Partridge.
> I better hunt it out in the book and also mark the spools, checking also
> see for myself the sorts of patterns it might work up.
> My memory is not as good as it used to be, my daughter used to ask me when
> she left school and all sorts of things.   Now if its not written somewhere
> I cant guarantee knowing:-)
> Many thanks
> Sue T
>

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003

Re: [lace] threads

[Sue T]

Yes thank you both Sr Claire and Jane Partridge.
I better hunt it out in the book and also mark the spools, checking also see 
for myself the sorts of patterns it might work up.
My memory is not as good as it used to be, my daughter used to ask me when 
she left school and all sorts of things.   Now if its not written somewhere 
I cant guarantee knowing:-)

Many thanks
Sue T

I use Filato per Tombolo Cantu quite regularly, being a maker of Cantu 
lace.
It is in Brenda's book. Yes, they are sizes 30, 40 and 50 in 25 gram 
spools.

On page 34 of TFL edition 5, I find the following:
Size 30 3S 21
Size 40 3S 32
Size 50 3S 34

Does this help?
Sr. Claire


Recently I was given 4 spools of thread from someone who had given up
lacemaking.
Could anyone tell me what the modern equivalent is?
the ones I dont know are Filato per tombolo Canto.  One spool says  ET 30
Gr
25 (I assume it is size 30 and 25 Grams)  ?
the other spool says ET 50 Gr 25.
Also in my box is  another filato per tomobolo di Cantu  N 40  Gr 25.


-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003

[lace] threads

[Jane Partridge]

In message <001b01cc000a$c2d28030$0201a8c0@suescomputer>, Sue T 
 writes


the ones I dont know are Filato per tombolo Canto.  One spool says  ET 30 Gr
25 (I assume it is size 30 and 25 Grams)  ?
the other spool says ET 50 Gr 25.
Also in my box is  another filato per tomobolo di Cantu  N 40  Gr 25.This
one was bought by me during my first year of lacemaking lessons 8 years ago
without any idea except that it was with lace making items and mentioned lace
on the label, .  It still has the original seal wrapper on it.
Once I know for sure I can add it to my book of information.


All (I think) of the Filato threads are listed in Brenda's book. I used 
the 30 when I properly started making lace in 1989, it works up similar 
to Perle 12 in size but gives a fairly firm lace, fine for table mats 
but I think I decided it was a tad too thick for what I wanted to work. 
I have only noticed the finer versions later - in the last five years or 
so.


Have book yes, they are - all 3S, 30 = 21 w/cm, 40 = 32 w/cm and 50 
= 34 w/cm.



--
Jane Partridge

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003

Re: [lace] threads

[Sister Claire]

I use Filato per Tombolo Cantu quite regularly, being a maker of Cantu lace.
It is in Brenda's book. Yes, they are sizes 30, 40 and 50 in 25 gram spools.
On page 34 of TFL edition 5, I find the following:
Size 30 3S 21
Size 40 3S 32
Size 50 3S 34

Does this help?

Sr. Claire

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:59, Sue T  wrote:

> Recently I was given 4 spools of thread from someone who had given up
> lacemaking.
> Could anyone tell me what the modern equivalent is?
>
> I have a part spool of a fairly old DMC 6o Cordonnet special and a
> Cordonnet
> mercer crochet 80 which has the wording Glanzhallelgarn Uncinetto (I think)
> but I expect that will be mentioned in Brendas' book.
>
> the ones I dont know are Filato per tombolo Canto.  One spool says  ET 30
> Gr
> 25 (I assume it is size 30 and 25 Grams)  ?
> the other spool says ET 50 Gr 25.
> Also in my box is  another filato per tomobolo di Cantu  N 40  Gr 25.
>

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003

[lace] threads

[Sue T]

Recently I was given 4 spools of thread from someone who had given up
lacemaking.
Could anyone tell me what the modern equivalent is?

I have a part spool of a fairly old DMC 6o Cordonnet special and a Cordonnet
mercer crochet 80 which has the wording Glanzhallelgarn Uncinetto (I think)
but I expect that will be mentioned in Brendas' book.

the ones I dont know are Filato per tombolo Canto.  One spool says  ET 30 Gr
25 (I assume it is size 30 and 25 Grams)  ?
the other spool says ET 50 Gr 25.
Also in my box is  another filato per tomobolo di Cantu  N 40  Gr 25.This
one was bought by me during my first year of lacemaking lessons 8 years ago
without any idea except that it was with lace making items and mentioned lace
on the label, .  It still has the original seal wrapper on it.
Once I know for sure I can add it to my book of information.  I hate making
lace with threads which turn out to be too fine for the pattern, having wound
the thread onto bobbins its never the right thread for the next piece in mind
and I hate that sort of waste, of time and material in addition to working a
piece of lace which doesn't appeal to my eyes.

I am currently trying to work out if there is a piece of lace I can make and
enjoy on a 3 week holiday in our caravan, but with more days travelling than
normal for us.  Space is obviously limited and having to keep packing up to
move on might not be the best plan,  I might have to resort to just taking my
knitting and then get back into my lace on my return.

Sue T
Dorset UK
www.hurwitzend.co.uk
April is Sjogrens Awareness Month

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003

[lace] Threads

[Alex Stillwell]

Dear Arachnids

I was interested to see the comments about writing the name and number of the
thread on the spool, I have done this for many years. It works. A couple of
points to add. Not all felt tip markers are permanent, so check before
writing. You don't want the number to rub off.  I have a few dark spools and,
again careful not to get any on the thread, I paint a patch of white Tippex on
the spool and then write the name in felt tip pen when it is dry.

A warning about storing thread. Cotton and linen are natural fibres and should
not be sealed in plastic or polythene for long periods of time. Microbes will
multiply in the stale air and attack the fibres thus weakening the thread,
it's surprising how brittle it can get.  Use the same advice for storing
thread as for storing lace that you will be making from it. Wrap in tissue
(ideally acid free) or fabric (well washed to remove dressing, well rinsed to
remove the washing agent, ideally with a final rinse in chlorine free water)
and store in cardboard or wooden boxes.

Merry Christmas everyone, make lace if you have time.

Alex

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachne.modera...@gmail.com

[lace] Threads shredding

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Jane

Re: Alex, in your theory of it being the cover cloth at fault, do your
threads break evenly across the pillow or some more than others? Also,

I have not personally had problems with threads breaking for more years than I
will admit to, but I have helped students with this problem. When I was
teaching the first year  City & Guilds Pilot Scheme we were initially told
that students would have to submit a thesis. One of my students had a
particular problem with threads shredding and we decided it would be a
suitable subject for research. We listed all the possibilities and this was
one of them. We had never come across covercloths being suspected as the cause
of the problem but we thought it should be included in the research - even if
only to show it was not the culprit.  Because of the novelty, this was the
first one investigated using the thread that had just been causing big
problems, and the same cover cloths etc. and a layer of  polythene over the
cover cloths.  Problem solved, not one thread showed any signs of changing. It
finished the research - but fortunately C & G then decided a thesis would not
be required. I have since recommended this to others who have experienced the
same problem with excellent results. This will not always be the answer but is
certainly worth trying especially by those who have problems will many kinds
of threads.

I hope this helps. Let me know if there is anything you wish me to add.

Happy lacemaking

Alex

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] Threads

[Alex Stillwell]

Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:23:35 +0100
From: Francis Busschaert 
Subject: [lace] Breaking threads

i have been following this BREAKING thread also

Hi Francis

Thanks you for your explanation regarding the winding and S and Z. I have
always thought it played an insignificant part regarding this problem but have
never taken the time to do the maths. The idea that static electricity caused
by the rubbing of the thread on the cover cloth can cause threads to break is
also without foundation. The amounts of static electricity that can be caused
by thread and cloth rubbing are very, very small and totally insignificant.

Happy lacemaking

Alex

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Arachnids

Another culprit affecting the thickness and strength of threads is the bleach
used to whiten thread. I believe thread is bleached after spinning. When
140/2 linen was available one year (it can only be produced when the crop is
of the highest quality, not every year) I found the white appreciably finer
than the half bleach.

Happy lacemaking

alex

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

RE: [lace] threads - sizes and plies

[J. Falkink]

> But...  the 60 is a definition of the size of each ply...  so 60/2 is
> 1/3 smaller than 60/3.

1/3 smaller in weight per length indeed. The difference in diameter is
smaller. To skip the mathematics: try for yourself with a set of pearls an
sqeeze them in a circle. Take out a third to represent the third ply. You
will see the circle shrinks with less than a third.

Jo

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads - sizes and plies

[Clay Blackwell]

Well, right up until you said that you assumed that 60/2 and 60/3 were 
the same size, you were right!


But...  the 60 is a definition of the size of each ply...  so 60/2 is 
1/3 smaller than 60/3.


Clay

Dona B. wrote:

I have a question regarding threads and their plies.  What would be the
difference in say a Fresia 60/2 and a 60/3?  I understand plies from a
spinners/knitters point of view- I prefer to make and knit with a 3 ply as I
like the more "round" yarn-particularly if I'm wanting to knit something
with a lot of stitch definition.  Are there particular types of lace that
benefit from a yarn that "mashes" down better (as I assume a 60/2 would) and
others that benefit from the added firmness of a 3 ply?  I guess my question
is, if I'd determined that a pattern required a Fresia 60 what would make me
choose a 2 ply or a 3 ply?
Of course,  I'm assuming that a 60/2 and 60/3 are the same size -that is
occupy the same amount of space, and that the 3 ply is made with each single
much smaller than the singles in a 2 ply and perhaps spun more tightly.
Then again my assumptions could be quite wrong.  (wouldn't be the first time
;-)
Dona Bushong
For the most part all moved in and ready to make lace again after our move
from MD to Groton, CT

The happiest people don't necessarily have the best of everything;
they just make the best of everything they have.

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

  


-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads - sizes and plies

[Dona B.]

I have a question regarding threads and their plies.  What would be the
difference in say a Fresia 60/2 and a 60/3?  I understand plies from a
spinners/knitters point of view- I prefer to make and knit with a 3 ply as I
like the more "round" yarn-particularly if I'm wanting to knit something
with a lot of stitch definition.  Are there particular types of lace that
benefit from a yarn that "mashes" down better (as I assume a 60/2 would) and
others that benefit from the added firmness of a 3 ply?  I guess my question
is, if I'd determined that a pattern required a Fresia 60 what would make me
choose a 2 ply or a 3 ply?
Of course,  I'm assuming that a 60/2 and 60/3 are the same size -that is
occupy the same amount of space, and that the 3 ply is made with each single
much smaller than the singles in a 2 ply and perhaps spun more tightly.
Then again my assumptions could be quite wrong.  (wouldn't be the first time
;-)
Dona Bushong
For the most part all moved in and ready to make lace again after our move
from MD to Groton, CT

The happiest people don't necessarily have the best of everything;
they just make the best of everything they have.

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads for UFO

[Sue]

Thank you Brenda and Jane, for your help.
The pairs in the diamond trail work in, and then out again, and into the 
roseground and it is the main part of the design that I am not particularly 
sure about.  The outer trail has a couple of passive pairs so are giving it 
a tidy enough edge and I am just about to put the centre footside in and 
working but I think that will be OK.  I guess the only way to find out what 
it is going to be like is to continue on and see what happens when it comes 
off the pillow.   If I do think it looks too flimsy then I will check out 
the book again and decide what thread might work better, ie be thicker.
Certainly the last pattern I worked in this thread on a 2mm straight grid 
looks great (to my eyes,) and I am really happy with it, so I was surprised 
to see how thin it looks on this design.
What I might attempt in the future is to scan the pattern into the program 
on a polar grid, put in the inner and outer edges and see what stitches I 
feel might work instead of the ones used in the pattern.   That ought to 
challenge my braincell,  up to now I have only done straight lengths or 
more recently bauble type designs.

I will let you know if its a reasonable success or a failure.
Sue T


When you are working a circular edging it is always a compromise  between 
what is needed for the inner edge compared to the outer edge,  especially 
with a small circle such as a UFO insert.


Jane has already suggested some possibilities.  Could you use a  thicker 
or doubled thread for the outside passives?  Can you use a  thicker thread 
for the workers in the diamond trail?  Half stitch is  more accommodating 
than cloth stitch. It will spread out more in  sparse areas but also 
squash in better in the cramped parts, so if  your chosen thread is a bit 
thicker than recommended maybe it would be  better to have the half stitch 
on the inside.  Also you might be able  to omit any straight down passives 
in the foot edge.


Brenda



the pattern recommends Madeira Cotona 30, or Broder Machine
30 which are 29 wp/cm but I chose to use Empress Mills cotton 50  which 
is 27
wp/cm, thinking it would be very slightly heavier, but it does seem 
pretty
sparse on the area of pattern I am setting in at the moment.  It is  hs 
outer
diamond trail with roseground in the centre and then a cs diamond in  the 
very
centre.  Obviously when I get the inner footside on the pillow that  will 
be

tighter/firmer but the outside will be even more open/sparse.


Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/


-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads for UFO

[Brenda Paternoster]

When you are working a circular edging it is always a compromise  
between what is needed for the inner edge compared to the outer edge,  
especially with a small circle such as a UFO insert.


Jane has already suggested some possibilities.  Could you use a  
thicker or doubled thread for the outside passives?  Can you use a  
thicker thread for the workers in the diamond trail?  Half stitch is  
more accommodating than cloth stitch. It will spread out more in  
sparse areas but also squash in better in the cramped parts, so if  
your chosen thread is a bit thicker than recommended maybe it would be  
better to have the half stitch on the inside.  Also you might be able  
to omit any straight down passives in the foot edge.


Brenda

On 14 Aug 2009, at 19:45, Sue wrote:


the pattern recommends Madeira Cotona 30, or Broder Machine
30 which are 29 wp/cm but I chose to use Empress Mills cotton 50  
which is 27
wp/cm, thinking it would be very slightly heavier, but it does seem  
pretty
sparse on the area of pattern I am setting in at the moment.  It is  
hs outer
diamond trail with roseground in the centre and then a cs diamond in  
the very
centre.  Obviously when I get the inner footside on the pillow that  
will be

tighter/firmer but the outside will be even more open/sparse.


Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads for UFO

[Jane Partridge]

In message , Sue 
 writes

 Obviously when I get the inner footside on the pillow that will be
tighter/firmer but the outside will be even more open/sparse.   Looking at the
picture which came with the pattern card it does look firmer (but maybe mine
will improve once more of the pattern is done.)
Have I got the count wrong, do you think?
Sue T, Dorset UK


When you are working a "filled in" circle, unless the centre pins are 
spaced to take account of the tighter area, you need to consider those 
first when you are choosing thread thickness - too thick, and the centre 
will rumple rather than lying flat. This naturally means that by the 
time you get to the outer pins, which are spaced further apart, the lace 
is quite sparse.


Sometimes it will look right, but, by careful choice of stitch, you can 
use different thread thickness' which will create a more textured 
effect, and fill in the gaps. Use of half stitch, or cloth and twist, 
will also minimise the effect that a threadbare area of cloth stitch 
has. Adding gimp threads, or an extra outer passive, might also help 
fill the gaps.


Careful use of colour can also deceive the eye into thinking something 
is not as sparse as it is.


Choice of thread can also have a bearing. For the UFOs, you need 
something that will hold its shape well because it doesn't have a lot of 
support, hence cotton is suggested - the designer may have decided that 
linen was just that bit too crisp, but if it is mangled, it might well 
behave much the same as the cotton. If you want to go slightly thicker 
with something that will snug together without looking too thick in the 
centre, I would experiment with silk - possibly, in this case, a raw 
silk which has a little more stiffness to it than spun.

--
Jane Partridge

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads for UFO

[Sue]

I have just begun a piece of lace using one of the Ufo patterns for the large
ufo candleholder.  The pattern recommends Madeira Cotona 30, or Broder Machine
30 which are 29 wp/cm but I chose to use Empress Mills cotton 50 which is 27
wp/cm, thinking it would be very slightly heavier, but it does seem pretty
sparse on the area of pattern I am setting in at the moment.  It is hs outer
diamond trail with roseground in the centre and then a cs diamond in the very
centre.  Obviously when I get the inner footside on the pillow that will be
tighter/firmer but the outside will be even more open/sparse.   Looking at the
picture which came with the pattern card it does look firmer (but maybe mine
will improve once more of the pattern is done.)
Have I got the count wrong, do you think?
Sue T, Dorset UK

Sue T Dorset, UK
Bobbin Lace and Glass engravings
http://www.hurwitzend.co.uk

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] Threads for Lace Edition 5 and Raffle

[Brenda Paternoster]

Dear Spiders

Edition 5 is now available and I have a stack of boxes to find a home 
for!  see

http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/threads/threads.html

All the traders who took Edition 4 will receive an inspection copy in 
the post very soon and any pre-orders will go out in Saturday's post 
(Good Friday tomorrow so Post Office will be closed).


I will be at Lace Guild Convention next week, and I'm really pleased 
that the books are ready before that.  Might save one or two of you 
some postage.


As a thank you to all the Arachnes who have helped this project along I 
am offering three copies as raffle prizes anywhere in the world.  If 
you want to be included please email me *off-list* and include the word 
Raffle in the subject line.  I'll draw the winner next Thursday 
morning.


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads for lace ed. 1 is now given away

[bev walker]

Hi everyone, and especially those who applied for my old copy of Threads for
Lace, edition 1.
I have sent it now to the next owner, and I thank everyone for writing who
expressed an interest in it.
I'm sorry I don't have one for each of you! I know you would all have
benefited.

To anyone not yet familiar with this splendid reference, check out Brenda's
site -
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/threads/threads.html

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads for lace ed. 1 giveaway

[bev walker]

Hi all
I have my first copy of Threads for Lace to give to a good home. It was much
used, contains a few notes, but since replaced by later editions. Perhaps
there is someone who hasn't seen this useful resource yet or for whatever
reason - write a message to me privately if you would like it, plead your
case  and I would mail to anywhere.

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads

[Clay Blackwell]

Hi Susan -

Last year, I worked several pieces by Jana Novak from her Nativity 
group.  The thread was the Moravia linen which also has slubs, and comes 
in wonderful colors.  It was extremely effective, and I really enjoyed 
those little projects!


Clay

hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote:

Hello All!  I've been following the linen & metallic thread discussions with great interest.  What sort of lace 
would be made with Goldschild linen aka Londonderry or Rainbow Gallery??  I have both in my embroidery stash & 
neither one looks too appetizing to me, i.e thick & bumpy.  I have some Danish linen that is much finer & 
more appropriate (in my mind) for lacemaking.  As to metallics, Madeira Astro is a wonderful product & far 
superior to Kreinik blending filament, for use in embroidery.  I was lucky enough to attend a Jane Nicholas 
stumpwork class when another student & I shared our spools of Madeira Astro with the class for special effects 
on some of Jane's bugs.  It is strong but extremely fine & I can't imagine using it alone for gimp?!  Another 
metallic that I have not yet seen mentioned is YLI, called Candlelight I believe, & it comes in a nice range of 
colors.  It is a heavier metallic & would work nicely as a gimp for a tatting cotton weight thread in the groun

d.
   Hope this is helpful.  Susan in Erie, PA where we had a LACE DEMO on Sunday afternoon at the museum annex & there was a HUGE crowd!  Perhaps there is a (lacey) light at the end of the tunnel & it isn't a train coming from the opposite direction! 


-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

  


-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hello Susan

 I've been following the linen & metallic thread discussions with 
great interest.  What sort of lace would be made with Goldschild linen 
aka Londonderry or Rainbow Gallery??  I have both in my embroidery 
stash & neither one looks too appetizing to me, i.e thick & bumpy.

Heavier Torchon probably - or Russian braid lace.

What sizes of Londonderry/Rainbow Gallery line do you have?  I am 
trying to confirm that these are all the same threads, just with 
different brand labels attached.  Goldschild usually quote both the  
metric Nm and the Linen NeL numbers (Nm is always a smaller number than 
the NeL)


I have some Danish linen that is much finer & more appropriate (in my 
mind) for lacemaking.
Is that Moravia 40/2?  If so it's not Danish but from the Czech 
Republic.  This is another case of the same thread getting different 
brand names.  Jana Novak of Atelier Moravia in Denmark is Czech by 
birth but emigrated to Denmark as a young woman.  However she sources 
her lace threads in the Czech Republic.  I don't know who produces the 
linen; I think it goes back to the communist days when everything was 
state controlled and brands didn't exist, but some of my 'Moravia 
equivalent' linen came from another Czech lacemaker/teacher, Anna 
Hallikova, at one of the Lace Guild conventions.


The metallic threads Jana sells are also Czech, made by Texlen.  Texlan 
make a bigger range of metallics than Moravia take.



As to metallics, Madeira Astro is a wonderful product & far superior 
to Kreinik blending filament, for use in embroidery.
Astro  in Medeira threads just means varigated colours.  Madera use the 
same description for their rayon and polyester threads.  However, the 
only metallic which comes in Astro colours, as well as solids, is No 
40.  It's a wrapped thread which mans a strip of metalised polyester is 
wrapped around a core of rayon filaments.  It's smoother than most of 
the twisted metallic threads but not so good if it's going to get a lot 
of friction (ie making sewings) because the outer wrapping strip can 
get broken to expose the core.


Another metallic that I have not yet seen mentioned is YLI, called 
Candlelight I believe, & it comes in a nice range of colors.  It is a 
heavier metallic & would work nicely as a gimp for a tatting cotton 
weight thread in the ground.


There are lots of other brands of metallics out there too.  Bart & 
Francis, Mez, Anchor, Presencia, Habu Textiles, DMC, Anchor ..




Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads

[hottleco]

Hello All!  I've been following the linen & metallic thread discussions with 
great interest.  What sort of lace would be made with Goldschild linen aka 
Londonderry or Rainbow Gallery??  I have both in my embroidery stash & neither 
one looks too appetizing to me, i.e thick & bumpy.  I have some Danish linen 
that is much finer & more appropriate (in my mind) for lacemaking.  As to 
metallics, Madeira Astro is a wonderful product & far superior to Kreinik 
blending filament, for use in embroidery.  I was lucky enough to attend a Jane 
Nicholas stumpwork class when another student & I shared our spools of Madeira 
Astro with the class for special effects on some of Jane's bugs.  It is strong 
but extremely fine & I can't imagine using it alone for gimp?!  Another 
metallic that I have not yet seen mentioned is YLI, called Candlelight I 
believe, & it comes in a nice range of colors.  It is a heavier metallic & 
would work nicely as a gimp for a tatting cotton weight thread in the ground.
   Hope this is helpful.  Susan in Erie, PA where we had a LACE DEMO on Sunday 
afternoon at the museum annex & there was a HUGE crowd!  Perhaps there is a 
(lacey) light at the end of the tunnel & it isn't a train coming from the 
opposite direction! 

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads

[Sue]

Looking again at the tiny spool with 50 on, I believe you are right, that 
being the size of the thread along with the name, and also on the bottom 
label it says 50m (for metres I think).  I think I will have to do a tiny 
piece of tape or something to try them out and see what size they will work 
at best and also if they work up in lace well enough to use or not.

Thank you very much for your help.
Sue T



Hello Sue

I haven't seen either of those but the Perivale 130/3 means 130 denier x 3 
plies, probably just a little thicker than common or garden Sylko cotton.


Re Ackermanns.  50 will be a size, if it's yardage/meterage  yds or meters 
is always written after the number.  Silk is usually measured in denier 
but it could be another measurement such as Tex, Dtex, Dram, Micron or 
Metric number.  50 denier will be a lot finer than the 130/3, probably of 
the thickness for fine point ground lace.



On 1 Mar 2009, at 12:30, Sue wrote:
It says it is Perivale sewing silks, the size mentioned is 130/3.  there 
is lots of thread on those two.
Another little one with it called Ackermanns 50 the word Schlusselgarn on 
the other end label.  I feel the 50 might be the meterage rather than the 
size of the thread, although it does seem fine or maybe the equivalent of 
broder 50  or 30.


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html


-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hello Sue

I haven't seen either of those but the Perivale 130/3 means 130 denier 
x 3 plies, probably just a little thicker than common or garden Sylko 
cotton.


Re Ackermanns.  50 will be a size, if it's yardage/meterage  yds or 
meters is always written after the number.  Silk is usually measured in 
denier but it could be another measurement such as Tex, Dtex, Dram, 
Micron or Metric number.  50 denier will be a lot finer than the 130/3, 
probably of the thickness for fine point ground lace.


Brenda

On 1 Mar 2009, at 12:30, Sue wrote:

It says it is Perivale sewing silks, the size mentioned is 130/3.  
there is lots of thread on those two.
Another little one with it called Ackermanns 50 the word Schlusselgarn 
on the other end label.  I feel the 50 might be the meterage rather 
than the size of the thread, although it does seem fine or maybe the 
equivalent of broder 50  or 30.


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads

[Sue]

While hunting out spare knitting needles to give away to a local care home 
this morning, I came across two spools of real silk thread that I inherited 
recently inside a sewing box.
It says it is Perivale sewing silks, the size mentioned is 130/3.  there is 
lots of thread on those two.
Another little one with it called Ackermanns 50 the word Schlusselgarn on 
the other end label.  I feel the 50 might be the meterage rather than the 
size of the thread, although it does seem fine or maybe the equivalent of 
broder 50  or 30.
Does anyone have any knowledge of these threads.  I will probably put some 
onto some bobbins and work a piece of tape, to see how it works up.

Sue T, Dorset UK

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads

[Brenda Paternoster]

Yes you're right, DMC Cordonnet 100 is very similar in thickness to 
Broder machine 30 or Bockens 100/2.  Finca 40 and DMC 
Cordonnet/Dentelles 80 are all a little thicker whilst Brok 100 and 
Finca 80 are both much finer.


Brenda


On 13 Feb 2009, at 06:30, Lorelei Halley wrote:


Hi
Can somebody help with a thread question?  I have an internet friend 
who has


Finca 40, Finca 80, DMC 80, DMC 100, and Brok 100.

But has a pattern which calls for Broder machine No 30 and Bockens 
Linen

100/2

I would have said DMC 100, but am not sure about Finca or Brok 100.

Any ideas?
Lorelei

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com




Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads

[Lorelei Halley]

Joanne and Beth
Thanks for your response.  I've passed it on.

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads

[Beth Marshall]

Hi 

Finca 80 and Brok 100 are both much finer than Broder Machine 30. Finca 40 
is closer (sorry, I don't have Threads for Lace handy to look up just how 
close or otherwise), probably a little finer than the Broder Machine.

Beth
in a frosty Cheshire, NW England



 Lorelei Halley wrote:
> Hi
> Can somebody help with a thread question?  I have an internet friend who
> has
>
> Finca 40, Finca 80, DMC 80, DMC 100, and Brok 100.
>
> But has a pattern which calls for Broder machine No 30 and Bockens Linen
> 100/2
>
> I would have said DMC 100, but am not sure about Finca or Brok 100.
>
> Any ideas?
> Lorelei
>
> -
> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
> arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads

[joanne scowcroft]

Hello Lorelei,
The closest in the Finca is Finca 40.
Best wishes,
Joanne

Ph: 02 4975 5201
e-mail: joa...@joscolace.com.au
website: www.joscolace.com.au


- Original Message - 
From: "Lorelei Halley" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: [lace] threads



Hi
Can somebody help with a thread question?  I have an internet friend who 
has


Finca 40, Finca 80, DMC 80, DMC 100, and Brok 100.

But has a pattern which calls for Broder machine No 30 and Bockens Linen
100/2

I would have said DMC 100, but am not sure about Finca or Brok 100.

Any ideas?
Lorelei

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com



-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads

[Lorelei Halley]

Hi
Can somebody help with a thread question?  I have an internet friend who has

Finca 40, Finca 80, DMC 80, DMC 100, and Brok 100.

But has a pattern which calls for Broder machine No 30 and Bockens Linen
100/2

I would have said DMC 100, but am not sure about Finca or Brok 100.

Any ideas?
Lorelei

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

[lace] threads

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

The beauty of Polycotton thread is that is holds its shape, and never
creases!!
The bad part is that it is springy and wants to do it's own thing, - not what
I want it to do!  The half-hitch does not always stay done up for one thing.

However, I find lace made from a good polycotton is useful, - especially for
Lace to Wear, as it looks like it is brand new and just off the pillow, no
matter how old it is,and how badly treated when not in use!

Lots of great colours, too.
Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, where it is uncomfortably hot today - 37ºC
or about 100ºF.
lizl...@bigpond.com

--
I am using the free version of SPAMfighter.
We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam.
SPAMfighter has removed 295 of my spam emails to date.
Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

The Professional version does not have this message

-
To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line:
unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to
arachnemodera...@yahoo.com

Re: [lace] threads for Cantù question

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hi Bev

Since Filato di Cantu 40 is 32 w/cm Amann/Coats Sylko is 32 w/cm and 
Tootle Sylko is 31 w/cm and you say Sylko is too fine it suggests that 
the number 40 specified wasn't Filato.


If you're thinking that the pattern needs about 20 w/cm it could be 
that the original used DMC Cordonnet 40, Coats crochet 40 or one of the 
minor brands of 2S/3Z tatting/crochet cotton.


Brenda

On 19 Sep 2008, at 18:17, bev walker wrote:


Thanks for the reply Brenda. The garden variety  cotton thread is
too fine for the pattern. Photo-reducing it isn't an option. Coats
Cometa 40 is 26 wraps in T4L. #30 not given - I ought to send you a
sample ;)
(I have an idea that it has been discontinued though)

Looking at the wraps for Filato per Tombolo di Cantu 40 (32 w.) and 30
(21 w.), and comparing in hand to Sulky 12 wt. (21 w.), I hazard a
guesstimate of  19 or 20 w. for Coats Cometa 30. Possibly the pattern
spec. is wrong, and Filato 30 was used in the original.
The Sulky could be too flimsy for the particular pattern (and me)
where I need the leverage of strong smooth thread. I might try a
sample using it, because it is readily available near me.
Now holding the DMC and the Cometa in hand, Cebelia 30, at 20 w. seems
slightly too coarse.

It does pay to sample :)

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Brenda Paternoster
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Bev

Can you get common or garden cotton sylko 50 (Amman/Coats) - or any 
other

cotton intended for regular machine stitching of seams?




On 19 Sep 2008, at 17:02, bev walker wrote:




I might start tinkering with enlarging the pattern to try other
round-y threads, such as Cebelia 30.


--
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [lace] threads for Cantù question

[bev walker]

Thank you Sr. Claire - when I googled, I found a couple of places in
England that had the specified thread, but neither shipped to North
America. Hadn't got much further in online searching. So, thank you
for the two sources. If I do order any, I ought to get size 30 and 40
to compare 'in hand' with what I'm using.

It is only for the rudimentary 'hook' with a simple footside, repeated
ad infinitum (ergo nauseum) for an edging - about all I'm good for
LOL.

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Sister Claire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Bev.
>
> I have two sources for Cantù threads. Holy Van Sciver
>  doesn't have a lot left, but last I
> heard she still had some filatu di Cantù size 30 and 40 left in écru. I
> bought a couple of spools. I also order from a lady named Gianfranca in
> Italy. Her site is . She has filatu per
> tombolo Cantù in white, ivory and écru in sizes 30, 40 and 50. She has a
> little English and accepts payment through PayPal.
>

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [lace] threads for Cantù question

[bev walker]

Thanks for the reply Brenda. The garden variety  cotton thread is
too fine for the pattern. Photo-reducing it isn't an option. Coats
Cometa 40 is 26 wraps in T4L. #30 not given - I ought to send you a
sample ;)
(I have an idea that it has been discontinued though)

Looking at the wraps for Filato per Tombolo di Cantu 40 (32 w.) and 30
(21 w.), and comparing in hand to Sulky 12 wt. (21 w.), I hazard a
guesstimate of  19 or 20 w. for Coats Cometa 30. Possibly the pattern
spec. is wrong, and Filato 30 was used in the original.
The Sulky could be too flimsy for the particular pattern (and me)
where I need the leverage of strong smooth thread. I might try a
sample using it, because it is readily available near me.
Now holding the DMC and the Cometa in hand, Cebelia 30, at 20 w. seems
slightly too coarse.

It does pay to sample :)

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Brenda Paternoster
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Bev
>
> Can you get common or garden cotton sylko 50 (Amman/Coats) - or any other
> cotton intended for regular machine stitching of seams?
>

> On 19 Sep 2008, at 17:02, bev walker wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I might start tinkering with enlarging the pattern to try other
>> round-y threads, such as Cebelia 30.

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [lace] threads for Cantù question

[Sister Claire]

Hi Bev.

I have two sources for Cantù threads. Holy Van Sciver <
http://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com/> doesn't have a lot left, but last I
heard she still had some filatu di Cantù size 30 and 40 left in écru. I
bought a couple of spools. I also order from a lady named Gianfranca in
Italy. Her site is . She has filatu per
tombolo Cantù in white, ivory and écru in sizes 30, 40 and 50. She has a
little English and accepts payment through PayPal.

I haven't tried any substitute threads yet. I have to order all my threads
from abroad (the selection in Israel is very poor), so I just go ahead and
order Cantù threads.

Good luck!
Sr. Claire

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 7:02 PM, bev walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello everyone
> ...and anyone who does Cantù lace, just a question - what thread(s) do you
> use?
> I'm working on a simple piece, thread specified is just 'no. 40 for
> Cantù which I'm guessing is one listed in Brenda's thread book as the
> Filato per Tombolo variety.
> I don't have that, have tried Finca for lace 40 and 30, and now Coats
> Encaje 30, this last one looks the best. It isn't easily available,
> that I've seen though.
>
> I might start tinkering with enlarging the pattern to try other
> round-y threads, such as Cebelia 30.
>
> --
> Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
> coast of Canada
>
> -
> To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
> unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [lace] threads for Cantù question

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hi Bev

Can you get common or garden cotton sylko 50 (Amman/Coats) - or any 
other cotton intended for regular machine stitching of seams?


Brenda

On 19 Sep 2008, at 17:02, bev walker wrote:


Hello everyone
...and anyone who does Cantù lace, just a question - what thread(s) do 
you use?

I'm working on a simple piece, thread specified is just 'no. 40 for
Cantù which I'm guessing is one listed in Brenda's thread book as the
Filato per Tombolo variety.
I don't have that, have tried Finca for lace 40 and 30, and now Coats
Encaje 30, this last one looks the best. It isn't easily available,
that I've seen though.

I might start tinkering with enlarging the pattern to try other
round-y threads, such as Cebelia 30.

--
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[lace] threads for Cantù question

[bev walker]

Hello everyone
...and anyone who does Cantù lace, just a question - what thread(s) do you use?
I'm working on a simple piece, thread specified is just 'no. 40 for
Cantù which I'm guessing is one listed in Brenda's thread book as the
Filato per Tombolo variety.
I don't have that, have tried Finca for lace 40 and 30, and now Coats
Encaje 30, this last one looks the best. It isn't easily available,
that I've seen though.

I might start tinkering with enlarging the pattern to try other
round-y threads, such as Cebelia 30.

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [lace] Threads

[Brenda Paternoster]

Sorry Miriam, I've never heard of SoftRise, but if anyone does know 
please tell me too.


Brenda

can anyone tell me what kind of thread SoftRise is and who the 
manufacturer is so I can find a catalog on the internet.

What can I substitute for it?

Miriam
who has returned from OIDFA with a
lot of new ideas
-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[lace] Threads

[Miriam]

Hi,

can anyone tell me what kind of thread SoftRise is and who the manufacturer 
is so I can find a catalog on the internet.

What can I substitute for it?

Miriam
who has returned from OIDFA with a
lot of new ideas 


-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[lace] threads for Milanese.

[Wendy Davies]

Hi

Thanks for the useful advice about thread thickness. AS we are not all made of
money we can't always get the right one so it is good to know about
substitutes.

I am also working on the Humming Bird that Sue is and I am using Catona 80 and
feel that maybe that is too thin.  What a pity we can't have the thread half
way between Sue's and mine.




_

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [lace] threads for milanese

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hello Sue

Which size Guetermann silk does Louise Colgan suggest?

If it's the most readily available 100/3 spun silk (ticket S303) then 
that is 27 wraps/cm, the same as Venus 70.  Special Dentelles 80 is 
little bit finer at 30 wraps/cm.  The feel of the lace made with Venus 
will be different to lace made from silk, but the overall appearance 
will be very similar.


Brenda

I am also working a milanese pattern and chose to use coloured threads 
already
in my box.  I did a quick ish look at size against the width of the 
pattern
and it looked fine.  Louise Colgan recommends Gutterman silk which I 
dont yet
have, but I do have lots of colours of the venus (which I also thought 
was

meant to be similar in size to the fil a dentelle/special dentelle 80.
Because it is my first piece I decided to go for similar colours 
making it

easier to follow the instructions, plans ect and also metalic threads
(something that I am not good at using).  It has been going ok, but I 
am not

totally happy with my tension, but I am persevering.

Which is me trying to explain my question which is, what threads are 
closest
to the gutterman in thickness for the future.  I am plodding on and 
hope to
improve with continued working, but without metalic threads in the 
future.  It

has taken almost 2 years for me to actually jump in and do it,


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[lace] threads for milanese

[Sue]

I am also working a milanese pattern and chose to use coloured threads already
in my box.  I did a quick ish look at size against the width of the pattern
and it looked fine.  Louise Colgan recommends Gutterman silk which I dont yet
have, but I do have lots of colours of the venus (which I also thought was
meant to be similar in size to the fil a dentelle/special dentelle 80.
Because it is my first piece I decided to go for similar colours making it
easier to follow the instructions, plans ect and also metalic threads
(something that I am not good at using).  It has been going ok, but I am not
totally happy with my tension, but I am persevering.

Which is me trying to explain my question which is, what threads are closest
to the gutterman in thickness for the future.  I am plodding on and hope to
improve with continued working, but without metalic threads in the future.  It
has taken almost 2 years for me to actually jump in and do it,

Sue T Dorset UK

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [lace] Threads for Thomas Lester lace

[Sally Schoenberg]

-
To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line:
unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]